[0.33] [AIRCRAFT] Aryx's F-16M King Viper

[dusk prism]

ye, specially DP rounds. the targeting sys automatically changes how the round will interact with its target, giving it AP properties when atacking armor and ships and HE when atacking buildings and light armor/vehicles.

tho the AP properties are more like APHE

[tender abyss]

That's sick had no idea

[gusty mist]

Prefer Pala

but boscali is pretty nice i do like both sides

[zealous lichen]

add drop tanks

[limpid cairn]

not essential

until bigger map atleast

[dim inlet]

do we know when we getting the bigger map is it even this year?

[prisma iron]

It was shown off in the last dev stream, and is planned for .35 late this year

[sharp cape]

Drop tanks?
How will their turrets fit in its weapon bays?

[hot hemlock]

you dont fly long enough for drop tanks to be viable

[jagged cloud]

Err no

Only the 57 gets airburst

Also what, the F-16 never had a Gau-8

[tender abyss]

I used gau as an abbreviation for gatling, never said gau-8

M61 vulcan, wtv

[jagged cloud]

That’s the most ridiculous abbreviation ever

Because GAU refers to a specific series of rotary machineguns and cannons

Of which the specific weapon the F-16 carries isn’t one

Made further abysmal by the fact that several GAU series weapons specifically are autocannons in the broad sense

[tender abyss]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-thumbs-up-cat--k01KRSMDYF5TR07Q9F7NCKKRC3T

[dusk prism]

except theyre not?

lmao

gau 8 as an example

[jagged cloud]

They are what people call autocannons, yes

If you go about it semantically, there are rather few true autocannons left in service

Commonly people refer to automatic cannons broadly as autocannons however

[dusk prism]

yo @low valley can i get an invite link for your sv?

[low valley]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1496884757961904312

do ppl just not read the og message or sumn

😭

QOL overwrites the base game's 500rd 20mm cannon weapon definition with a 25mm autocannon

[tender abyss]

I brought it up to the mod's devs and they also said that, thx for answering!

[frank monolith]

It's because the M61 Vulcan pre dates the 1962 Tri Service Designation Munition System

Every airborne gun after would get the designation GAU (Airborne Gun Unit)

[obsidian birch]

gau-4 B)

(i know this is the gunpod version)

[jagged cloud]

AGU

[frank monolith]

Gun, Airborne - Unit

[jagged cloud]

Nonsense acronyms from the US as usual

[frank monolith]

There's also the Gun, Pod - Unit

Or GPU

For aircraft gunpods

[jagged cloud]

The Unit part is really useful knowledge

I thought the implication of a gun pod was that it would come in several distinct and not unifiable pieces

[frank monolith]

Unit means it's a self operating

[jagged cloud]

Instead of what

Being hand-loaded?

[frank monolith]

Self contained unit

[jagged cloud]

Can you really call something that doesn’t do anything, a gun?

[frank monolith]

What

[jagged cloud]

Exactly

[frank monolith]

That did not make any sense

[jagged cloud]

Exactly

[frank monolith]

Not sure what point you're making

[jagged cloud]

The implication in gun, airborne, is that it is a gun, and not a random subassembly that does nothing

[frank monolith]

It's the entire unit

[jagged cloud]

Worst standardization system ever devised

[frank monolith]

Its one of the easiest designation systems I've seen

Anyways the F-16 in the form of A-16 and F/A-16 has used the GAU-8 technically

But in the form of the GPU-5 Gunpod

That uses the GAU-13

[jagged cloud]

They used the 4 barrel version right

I wouldn’t call that a Gau-8 by technicality

With a super mid rate of fire of only 2400 rpm, it is perhaps the most disappointing rotary cannon ever

[frank monolith]

It's a cut down variant of it

[jagged cloud]

Cut down and with 33% of the barrels removed

And the RoF decreased by 40%

dunno exactly how the math works out on that one anyway

[frank monolith]

Probably because they aren't trying to maximize rate of fire

It sits in a gunpod assembly

You'd probably want a lower rate of fire for the caliber anyways

[upbeat drift]

clearly u haven't seen the Chicane's rotary cannon

[jagged cloud]

That would be the only reason to use a rotary cannon you know

[frank monolith]

I've heard good things about the GSh-6-30

[jagged cloud]

That thing is a death laser

[upbeat drift]

750 RPM

or somewhere around that

[frank monolith]

2400 rpm is higher than almost every single barrel gun out there

So

[jagged cloud]

Wait i thought it was a single barrel gun

[frank monolith]

It's intentional because you don't want to immediately dump all your ammo

[jagged cloud]

But not 4x higher

[frank monolith]

So?

[jagged cloud]

Its shit

[frank monolith]

You still get the other benefits

Of a rotary

[jagged cloud]

Of which barrel heating for higher practical RoF is the only one

[upbeat drift]

apparently Wikipedia has the aircraft, missile, and electronics designation systems, but i can't find the one for these

[frank monolith]

You still get much higher burst time

And it can cycle through duds

[upbeat drift]

it isn't

[frank monolith]

Where normal guns would jam.

[jagged cloud]

Which would be fine if not mounted in a gunpod with 300 rounds

[upbeat drift]

idk if gas-operated ones are capable of this

electronic ones are misfire-tolerant tho

[frank monolith]

They can't

They need a cocking charge to try to cycle it

Try

[jagged cloud]

Not chainguns or revolver cannons or any aircraft autocannon made after like 1950

[frank monolith]

It's proven that cocking charges aren't guaranteed to clear a jam

[frank monolith]

.....no?

Also chainguns don't count

Also have a much lower fire rate

[jagged cloud]

Err no, only if the cartridge is busted up in the chamber or something

[jagged cloud]

Lmao what

[frank monolith]

There isn't any chain gun that can fire as fast as the fastest gas or recoil driven gun

They have the benefits from an electric rotary without the weight or rate of fire of them

[jagged cloud]

True but fortunately ^

[frank monolith]

Not really what I meant

They use a rotary for the better rate of fire and the gun time

They are not helicopters who want to conserve ammo

They want to make a gun that fits in a gunpod

[jagged cloud]

350 rounds

[frank monolith]

Absolute highest rate of fire is not a priority

[jagged cloud]

Also, the damn Hind has a more impressive gun than the Gau-13

[upbeat drift]

iirc any externally powered gun is misfire tolerant, except Metal Storm guns

[frank monolith]

They literally took a GSh-23L and stuck it to the side

It's a pretty meh gun

[jagged cloud]

Surely there has to be an exception

[frank monolith]

Burns through ammo and has a ton of recoil

[jagged cloud]

But generally yea

[frank monolith]

I'm not sure why they did that

[upbeat drift]

i mentioned the only exception i know of

[jagged cloud]

No 👍

It’s a GSh-30-2K

[upbeat drift]

i wonder why telescoped ammo isn't more common

[jagged cloud]

Fires the same standardized ammunition as the 2A42 out of a longer barrel, and does so at a rate of up to 3200 rpm

[jagged cloud]

Ajax uses it…

Isn’t that reason enough?

[frank monolith]

Changing standard ammo, slow process

[upbeat drift]

idk what that is

[frank monolith]

That's fair, still a suboptimal gun for the platform

[upbeat drift]

nvm it's an IFV

[jagged cloud]

Worst armoured fighting vehicle ever made, maybe?

[upbeat drift]

its autocannon uses it

[frank monolith]

It's a scout vehicle

Can't do ifv work

[jagged cloud]

Yea its the size of an IFV but carries 4 people

[upbeat drift]

i see a modern light tank and automatically call it an IFV lol

[frank monolith]

It's APC variant rips out the turret for a RWCS MG

Lol

[jagged cloud]

Huuuuuge improvements over fv432))

[frank monolith]

I think they shouldve chosen the warrior 40mm instead of this... thing

[upbeat drift]

the Rikhter R-23 uses it too btw
its only operational use was in the Tu-22 error-plane

[frank monolith]

XM274

[jagged cloud]

Ares my beloathed

[frank monolith]

The finest Eugene Stoner creation

[jagged cloud]

G11 is the real shit though

[upbeat drift]

the LSAT also used telescoped ammo, both cased and caseless

[frank monolith]

Hans I dropped my mag

[jagged cloud]

Cased Telescoped, fully combustible, squared cartridges

[frank monolith]

Cocoa powder came out

[upbeat drift]

caseless*

[frank monolith]

Both

[upbeat drift]

thought it only used caseless

[frank monolith]

Telescoped and caseless

[upbeat drift]

ah
that's what i meant, i was just correcting the cased part

[jagged cloud]

But it is cased telescoped, problem is the case is caseless

I hate the term telescoped though, because it means two different things

[frank monolith]

It's case is the propellant

[upbeat drift]

that's called caseless telescoped

[jagged cloud]

I have never in my life heard that used before

[frank monolith]

Telescoped is the proper term

[jagged cloud]

Telescoped is when the projectile expands during flight

Which is why that whole thing is annoying to deal with

[frank monolith]

It's when something can extend or collapse in itself

[upbeat drift]

fun fact: the aforementioned Rikhter R-23 is the only cannon to have been fired in space

[jagged cloud]

Well, in that case it doesn’t apply very well to CTA huh…

[frank monolith]

The bullet is collapsed into the casing

Making it telescoped

[jagged cloud]

In any case the cased telescoped part is important to distuinguish it from telescoping rods

[upbeat drift]

why isn't it just called enveloped ammunition

[jagged cloud]

When you drop the cased part you don’t know what you’re dealing with anymore

[frank monolith]

Because that word sounds stupid

[jagged cloud]

Cased Telescoped doesn’t?

[upbeat drift]

the projectile is still enveloped in the propellant

[frank monolith]

Right so we use the cooler sounding word instead

[jagged cloud]

Enveloped, embedded, recessed

[upbeat drift]

would it make sense to call the F-14's recessed pylons telescoped?

[frank monolith]

I'm pretty sure gunsmiths didn't know what any of those words were

[frank monolith]

No because that's not what telescoped means?

Telescoped is a specific kind of geometry

[jagged cloud]

In my opinion telescoped implies movement, something that is distinctly lacking in CTA

[lethal elk]

Most relevant F-16M discussion right here

[jagged cloud]

This is also the opinion of just about any dictionary in existence

[frank monolith]

Telescoped pretty much just means shorten lengthwise

Not really anything with movement

Telescoping is movement

Lengthwise

[frail topaz]

it's describing an alteration to lengthwise dimensions either way

it's not really wrong to say it's telescoped (or telescopic)

[jagged cloud]

But its manufactured that way, so no altering is taking place

[frank monolith]

Case telescoped describes a cartridge that has its bullet telescoped into the case, it's shorter lengthwise than a conventional cartridge

[frail topaz]

it's relative to standard ammunition cartridges

[jagged cloud]

At this point i could call the bricks in my wall telescoped

Because they’re shorter than if i arranged them all lengthwise

[frail topaz]

guh?

[frank monolith]

No offense but you kinda just say random shit sometimes and think you are proving a point

[jagged cloud]

Because it is quite literally nonsensical to call ammunition telescoped when no telescoping has taken place

[frank monolith]

We literally just explained what the word means

You are hallucinating that it requires movement

[jagged cloud]

No

[frank monolith]

To be telescoped is to have an object shortened lengthwise

[jagged cloud]

Its nonsensical to imply that something being telescoped doesn’t require telescoping

Otherwise anything that exists is telescoped

[frank monolith]

Uh, yeah you can telescope anything if you shorten it lengthwise

It doesn't mean just ammunition

[jagged cloud]

Because it could theoretically be arranged in a way that is ‘longer’ lengthwise

[frank monolith]

You are very good at confusing yourself and everyone around you

[jagged cloud]

I am not confused

If you are confused, then good

[frank monolith]

You seem very confused as well

[frank monolith]

I'ma be real I didn't know what chat this was

[lethal elk]

I am confused why you 2 have made this your personal debate thread for the last 1hr45min

[jagged cloud]

I am confused why you care

[frank monolith]

I could ask the same for you

My answer is for the love of the game

[low valley]

can you two kiss and make up you're driving down the rent of my F-16 channel

[jagged cloud]

Isn’t that a good thing if you’re paying

[low valley]

no I'm the landlord

you're putting me out of business here D:

[frail topaz]

why can't we live rent-free in this channel

[low valley]

you think I mod this fast for free?

[karmic pivot]

its not free real estate

[frail topaz]

erm
yes (because you release your mods for free)

besides the cost of time

[bitter pilot]

some damage model feedback, it should not fly anymore with the vertical stab gone

it should be doing the flippy

[cobalt bronze]

nah its got that little bit, your bef fine

[bitter pilot]

The tiny bit of structure and lower vertical strakes can do it surely 😌

(No, generally losing more than half of the vertical stab should make it fully unstable in the yaw axis)

[low valley]

i’m gonna be honest with you every time i’ve lost my vstab i’ve spun out and died so idk what you’re doing to survive it

[bitter pilot]

I don't know either. The rear was also loose and wobbling up and down so maybe that was contributing

And I lost it while straight and level

[cobalt bronze]

you have the latest version of the mod?

[bitter pilot]

1.1.1.1 yes

[cobalt bronze]

maybe it was a one off thing idk

[vale yoke]

Next time tear it off in the editor then fly numerous times to see what happens as a test control

[rigid hull]

Or just accept that weird stuff happoens sometimes and it's not a big deal

[vale yoke]

True

[lethal elk]

Just curious, does the game engine calculate a dynamic FM when you lose flight surfaces or is that something you need to program?

[low valley]

Flight model is entirely procedural and dependent on the aircraft’s parts

Behind the scenes it can be described as souped up KSP

designing custom aircraft actually have to be somewhat realistic as CoM/CoP affects things & turnrate and agility is not just a parameter but the interaction of all the aerodynamics of the parts.

[lethal elk]

Woah that's mind blowing

[low valley]

It's awesome behind the scenes, but really does require a lot of iteration and testing to get aircraft flying well :p

[lethal elk]

So you're saying a better Compass is possible if its model wasn't based on a bar of soap?

[low valley]

Naturally.

[lethal elk]

😉

[low valley]

Viper had a few teething issues when I was setting it up :p

[lethal elk]

I love it
Put these in the documentary lolz

Also sadge that I recognize that specific clearing which I also have pancaked into more than a few times

[vale yoke]

Had a feeling it was KSP like in terms of flight models, I love that actually.

Basically KSP FAR

[vale yoke]

That end though lol
Just downright disassembled at high speed.

[warm aurora]

holy shit

it shattered

[zealous lichen]

speak for yourself, im going bingo afterburning everywhere on ignus

[tepid cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/jonny-clayton-gerwyn-price-darts-welsh-darts-pontyberem-gif-20190035

[frail topaz]

…you're not supposed to fly with afterburners on the entire time

The only reason why that's viable for anything that isn't a bomber or can otherwise carry a crap ton of fuel, is because Heartland is honestly a bad map

[bitter pilot]

Tbh Aryx gave this future F-16 crazy powerful dry thrust. So the afterburner isn't even all that useful compared to other NO planes

use it for getting up to speed and dogfighting but you can come out of it once you're at your desired airspeed and it'll generally just stay there.

[frail topaz]

Flying at max throttle the entire time really is something that shouldn't be encouraged by design, but y'know… Alkyon.

Brawler (flight model/engine thrust problem practically mandates doing so for getting semi-servicable flight performance)

Cricket, well there are genuine use cases where you don't want to be going full throttle (12.7mm gun runs, loitering, etc)

[bitter pilot]

Tara, AB-4 and the compass I think are the three where I spend the longest % of flight time at maximum throttle I think.

And brawler of course

[low valley]

2050-2080s engine tech, babey

[bitter pilot]

oh I don't mind at all. Just that ppl using their afterburner all day in this plane are wasting even more fuel than usual

Afterburner up to mach 1.4-1.8 and then throttle back

[oblique grail]

looking forward to what you cook up for a no version of the f16

[low valley]

what

the mod's already out 😭

[oblique grail]

oh

[low valley]

it's been out for a month 😭

[karmic pivot]

Looking forward to aryx making a cargo plane mod

[drifting trench]

i was kinda hoping for something korean war era

[karmic pivot]

Dont be ridiculous its never happening

[dusk prism]

cant wait for someone to do a freaking b52 bomber

[acoustic marsh]

I could see it if total conversion mods are made possible but yea highly unlikely

[calm garnet]

SO wait, if it uses dynamically calculated FMs, could I make a plane in something like SP2 and then remake it for NO in blender?

[silver kettle]

in theory if thats what I understand

but the physics might not be 100% so some revisions probably would be in order

[sweet stream]

Just do it in blender

But the game doesn’t work like how you think it does

[calm garnet]

I was more thinking just use SP2 to test and develop a planes FM to what I like, then rebuild a clone of the model in blender and push it through unity. Assuming the NO modding process isn't to different from what I've done elsewhere that should be reasonable

[jagged cloud]

Why not use full throttle all the time

[jagged cloud]

It is very different from what i’ve heard

[chilly nimbus]

Higher ir signature and you need to carry more fuel which means a heavier load

[jagged cloud]

You also go faster

And lose less energy when turning

And climbing

[silver kettle]

I just burn all that fuel off as I move

[jagged cloud]

Yea exactly

[silver kettle]

I’m a speed is life kinda F-16 pilot

If I need to sacrifice fuel for my carry load, so be it

But my loadouts are usually balanced enough I don’t need it

[jagged cloud]

Then you just gotta live — or die — faster

[silver kettle]

And frankly, unless I’ve been loitering far longer than I have any right to - Why am I running outta gas on the Falcon?

Because I’ve already expended all my ammunition by then and the smart thing is rtb to do it all over again

[jagged cloud]

Tbf the Viper is extremely thirsty on burner

More than anything else in my experience

[silver kettle]

yes, but like

yakniw

[jagged cloud]

Oh yea i totally agree

Weapons are often shorter than fuel

[silver kettle]

Unless I’ve been chasing an Ifrit for the past 7 minutes

Then again I dunno how the other folks play

I’m usually in and out with the Viper, maybe strafe a truck or two here or there or a APC. (I’m staying far away from those IFV freaks)

Plenty of landing spots too

[jagged cloud]

That’s another thing

If you’re bingo fuel you can always land at a helipad or something

[silver kettle]

ehhh, the Falcon might not survive taking off from those conditions

Upcoming VTOLTrainer1 and the Vortex gets away with it

And uh, ig the Medusa and Cricket

[tepid cypress]

I mean, I successfully landed a Compass on taxiway at Vigil Cay once

[jagged cloud]

You don’t need to tske off

You just leave the vehicle and respawn it at another field

[jagged cloud]

I always land my planes on the highway bases and helipads

They’re closer than the main airfields

[river quarry]

yall, is it just me who instead of having 20mm gun in the f16 i got 25mm autocannon? i have no idea why its 25mm now, i didnt change anything at all literally

[prisma iron]

QOL seems to do that

[tepid cypress]

It's a known thing with the QoL mod.

[lethal elk]

@low valley No big deal at all but nobody here said anything about it. I get a noticeable stutter right as the takeoff music plays, which seems to be a result of the game engine loading up the track file? I tested it by swapping in a different audio file and there was no stutter. And it doesn't reoccur until I restart the game. Could just be my PC but no other aircraft does that.
Just an fyi!

[rose junco]

It's likely due to it being loaded when called, and staying in ram*. I haven't looked at the code myself, but that seems to be the cause

[vale yoke]

Actually my game does this with the f16 too. I always almost bonk back into the runway cause of the stutter.

[upbeat drift]

QoL replaces the 20mm 500-round rotary cannon with a 25mm cannon, intended for the Kestrel

[low valley]

1.1.2 / 1.1.3 update

Fixed music loading stutter on takeoff
Added cockpit night lights
Improved wing vapour
Remastered cockpit
Textured landing gear
Landing gear struts are no longer misaligned on spawn and now actively move with suspension
Engine nozzle rendering improvements
FBW and flight model tuning
Added strut to forward gear
Moved to rank 3
Fixed landing gear clipping into intake tunnel when retracted
Reduced RCS from 0.3 to 0.1
Armour changes (Check wiki for more detail.)
Adjusted weapon sets: Removed centreline Tusko-B and radar missiles
Fixed engine sound playing in mission editor and encyclopedia
Adjusted flare dispenser rate
Adjusted fuel efficiency
Marginal reduction in thrust
Fixed collisions not doing any damage
Fixed issues with landing gear struts clipping out the door
Fixed lower pylon causing weird collisions```

[silver kettle]

What should we expect a lil' more about the Falcon's FBW tuning?

[low valley]

it’s a monster in bfm now, actually has relaxed stability

[silver kettle]

Oooh...

Yep.

Wow, this thing is buttery smooth

[icy carbon]

do this thing compatible with qol?

[cedar marsh]

Does QOL add the kestrel by itself?

A-4 skyhawk when?

[upbeat drift]

none of Aryx's aircraft are affected by QoL, and Aryx's aircraft don't affect it

[upbeat drift]

no
also the Kestrel has been out of date for months and desperately needs a fly-by-wire update

QoL does modify the Kestrel's loadout

[jagged cloud]

Well… it gets an equaliser doesn’t it

[upbeat drift]

actually yea i forgot about that
unintended side effect of the 500-round 20mm rotary being replaced with a 25mm autocannon

[jagged cloud]

Is the 25 better or worse anyway

[fathom rampart]

worse

[dim inlet]

whats wrong with it? feels fine to me

yea it can pull silly G but its unnamed so it makes sense

[upbeat drift]

0.33 changed aircraft fly-by-wire systems
the Kestrel's is calibrated for 0.32 and will lose control when its weapons are emptied

[dim inlet]

oh thats intresting

also yea now im having issues whenever i pull up or down it does it but then pulls the opposite almost bobbing about making stable flight kinda hard

[flint robin]

oh, that's why i started wildly oscillating in it.

[ebon cape]

does anyone know how to enable stability assist?

[sweet stream]

f

[supple whale]

Long press F

[silver kettle]

nah, clearly what you are looking for is ctrl-shift + C

[hard vortex]

I always do before I ask something but on mobile there's no button to go to the top, it sucks😭

why was I looking all the way to the 16th by default, they're not even here anymore 💔

[zealous lichen]

can we change the nomm description to state its rank 3 now

[strange flame]

i really am not sure if thats the right place to ask, but, would it work in co-op escalation if everyone installs it?

[rigid hull]

Yes, but AI will not use it without the funny factory equalising mod or without you just making a version where there's an f-16 factory on each end.

[strange flame]

oh so there's also a mod that adds f16 factories? also thanks for answering

[rigid hull]

There's a mod that can make the enemy reserves even out between all craft, to the best of my memory.

But you can also just open escalation, add a factory/edit an un-used one on both teams, set them to the F16 & then do 'save as'

[strange flame]

thats interesting

appreciate the help

[vale yoke]

Surprised people don't believe the F16M was too nerfed with that new poll.

[frail topaz]

it did get some QoL changes to go along with the nerfs tbf

imo I thought it was fine at rank 2 (and at rank 3 it struggles to compete with the other aircraft in that lineup and only has payload variety with funny TWR to its name compared to say, a Revoker)
-# 2 circle perf. is very good though I have to give it that

I mean, we have the Brawler at rank 2 already I do not think a rank 2 air superiority fighter like the F-16M is off the rails in any real way

but I will caveat that once again... the F-16M is a modded aircraft

no idea where the concept of "modded aircraft must be balanced exactly to the vanilla standard before anything else" came from

[vale yoke]

Probably because it's extremely well made so it's easy to think it's vanilla?

I feel like thats how it could be explained

[jagged cloud]

Its not like anything else in the game except payload and twr matter anyway

[frail topaz]

yeah and the problem (several, actually) there is that mods aren't vanilla content, nor should they be treated as such
the other thing is that balance should not be a primary concern for mods if it would actually impede the design intention of the mod itself

[frail topaz]

whar

fly the Brawler and come back to me on that one when a Cricket out-flies you at altitude

[jagged cloud]

Super maneouvrability is overrated

[jagged cloud]

That… is the TWR

[frail topaz]

wdym TWR

the Brawler is using two propfan engines, not even turboprops

[jagged cloud]

You said it yourself literally a minute ago

[frail topaz]

it struggles worse than a loaded cricket at altitude

[jagged cloud]

As i said

Only payload and twr matter

[frail topaz]

that's not a TWR issue

[jagged cloud]

And F-16 has both

[jagged cloud]

Yes it is

The F-16 flies perfectly fine

[frail topaz]

I'm talking about a clean Brawler here

[jagged cloud]

If you’re talking about turning circle, the cricket will outfly a revoker as well ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But no one cares

Because it goes literally 400 kmh

And can’t carry shit

The F-16 is stupid fast and has better payload than the Revoker

It will be fine as a rank 3 balance-wise

Now, you brought up the fact that modded aircraft don’t necessarily have to be balanced — while that is true, i still think it adds to gameplay and usability of the modded aircraft if it isn’t ridiculously overpowered.

Ternion may be stupid powerful, but it can’t spawn just anywhere and has zero stealth capability, which means it doesn’t outright replace all other aircraft

[frail topaz]

how did the F-16M outright replace all other aircraft

[frail topaz]

I wouldn't say the Cricket "can't carry shit" for that matter either, x16 AGM-48s (or x14 with an ECM Pod) is pretty impressive for its size and weight

(plus a 20mm ventral turret to go with that)

[tepid cypress]

Reddit neckbeards

[tepid cypress]

F-16 is eternal, glory to the Viper

I just sent that message without seeing the context 💀

Anyway, all hail the light fighter...(I still think a Rafale in-game would be pretty cool though)

[silver kettle]

I myself fly the F-16 over the Revoker because I used to originally fly the Revoker like an F-16 before,

Atleast for ground attack..

I’d argue the F-16 is just in a damn good spot overall, its a light jet that will straight up be obliterated if it gets sneezed on, and can be an alternative due to it being a rank-3 aircraft that can somehow takeoff from K92 and all of that

Meanwhile the Revoker can still do its job and have a little bit more oomph to it with its armaments ig. Idk

Will admit I haven’t flown the Revoker much since the F-16 mod but again, personal preference. I installed the mod, I’m an absolute Viper glazer and the Revoker clicked with my brain like the F-16 clicked with me as well

two of my favourite jets in the game in a game that I love.

I also don’t have much issue with the F-16 losing its centreline missile pylons. I always multirole sortied with it, and I’d rather have Kingpin’s or a 500LR cluster bomb for superior ground attack over having a single schmitty

The TWR makes it funny, and yeah even if the engine was reduced a little, it does make the F-16 more thoughtful in a fight more than “slam the airbrakes then slam the throttle”

its still a beast in BFM and all of that joy and whimsy, and its clear what its set out to do and it does it well,

Dunno, I really can’t find much to say other than the F-16 being the multirole king that it is and that I love it, and the Revoker to me is more of a speedy, green monster energy snorting crackhead that relies more on careful preplanning and devastating weaponry

[frail topaz]

My only nitpick with the F-16 is the fact that it's rank 3

I can see spawning from revetments being a point of contention but if your focus is A2G rather than A2A then I guess it's nice to have the Viper

Granted, the Brawler is already right there at rank 2

(Even with the bad flight model)

Otherwise if I'm going for multirole the preferred option is the Vortex unless I really need the most speed I can get

[silver kettle]

I find the Vortex to be a niche case.

[frail topaz]

How so

[silver kettle]

I dunno

Might just be my personal style

its IWB seems so limiting

[frail topaz]

It's still a rank 3 aircraft and can actually fly faster than the Revoker

[silver kettle]

Then again my usual method is to go in, drop stuff and leave

[frail topaz]

You can compromise with external GBM-500s

And unlike the F-16 it actually has IWBs to begin with

With a much better RCS too (and energy capacity for ECM)

The only noticeable thing is the worse TWR, worse turn circle performance, and less flexibility in terms of the variety of payloads you can take

It's still agile enough to hold its own in a dogfight but ideally you don't want to merge to begin with… that goes for any fighter aircraft

[silver kettle]

Thats kinda my gripe, to lose the stealth in favour of having the bigger boom

The Revoker doesn’t have stealth, its pure speed and agility with the boom to make it more than capable in striking and running away.

I dunno, I’m genuinely curious in trying to see the Vortex in a better light

[frail topaz]

GBM-500s have a tiny RCS value all things considered

[silver kettle]

..wait, actual?

that might give the Vortex some credit as a stealth aircraft I can fly to deep strike a location without busting my ass in a Ifrit with its price and runway requirements

[frail topaz]

https://nuclearoption.wiki.gg/wiki/GBM-500LR

[silver kettle]

What in the actual

[frail topaz]

Even with IWBs only you shouldn't expect to use the Vortex as some wasteland generator, it's more of a precision strike tool

[silver kettle]

I always figured it to be that specifically

[frail topaz]

Revoker with IWBs only isn't going to get the job done nearly as well either way

[silver kettle]

But I just never found myself flying the Vortex as much as I do with the Revoker with the same goals in mind somejow

idk,

Genuinely a skill issue on my part

Might need to force myself to use the Vortex more in order to better understand it

[frail topaz]

And the F-16M completely lacks IWBs and takes external munitions only

It also can't carry as many nukes.

[silver kettle]

I mean yeah

That

I usually just fly fast and have a route in mind so that I’m in and out

Ig the Vortex stealth could help in this case

IWB or not usually doesn’t matter to me as much unless its a stealth aircraft or somethin’, as long as I take out the priority targets like Bolstrikes, etc consistently, I’m good

[frail topaz]

Valid strat but that that point if my concern isn't aerial targets I'm just using the Brawler for low profile NoTE flights that need a lot of payload

[silver kettle]

fair

funnily I prefer the Chicane over the Brawler in this case.

[frail topaz]

If it isn't time sensitive, Chicane is a preferable alternative

Unfortunately such situations are almost always time sensitive unless taking such flights at the very beginning of a round

Speaking of time, an issue with vanilla is that logistics has too little value for how much time it takes to transport stuff

I'd love to do logistics but it's genuinely never worthwhile over exchanging blows with the enemy instead

Even in dire situations

[silver kettle]

Chimera logi my beloved

then again I’m too busy being a glorified chair force pilot to bother..

Maybe with the new bigger map when it rolls around, Heartland but 4x bigger it might see more logi because of the distances?

Heartland is too close quartered and the pace of early game is far too quick for the logi’s to settle in, and even if you did, lose the air war and some random Compass detonates your cheeky munition drop

I dunno, the Chicane is such low cortisol its satisfying for me over the Brawler being a missile truck where its the same “in-and-out” by technicality.

Never was much of an A-10 fan but I can appreciate the comedy of sinking a fleet with the Brawler

[tepid cypress]

I'd love a 2000 km map, being able to make full use of the range of the Darkreach and its weapons would be glorious.

I'll take a 400 km map though, it will at least push some of the smaller aircraft to their limits when it comes to range and might make aerial refueling necessary...now that I would love to do.

A small tactical transport like the C-27J would be fun. If they end up adding kamikaze drones it might be fun to run something like an An-27 or a Kodiak 100 against them as a gunship.

[silver kettle]

I think it’d make for a interesting balance

400km means theres value in deploying the lower tier frontliner aircraft as they get to the fights sooner

And then the higher tier aircraft genuinely has arrival time,

The higher tier aircraft taking time, but its mitigated by most of them being supersonic

Meanwhile smaller tier aircraft provide active data and etc whilst the fighters and multiroles and bombers arrive

[zealous lichen]

arads and jam pods planned?

[silver kettle]

Pretty sure the jamming pods were found to just be too powerful

even if the Falco's juice aint much, being able to jam is still quite stronk, which would likely have the F-16 punch way above it's price and class

[zealous lichen]

qol mod gives majority of vanilla aircraft sead loadouts and no one seems to complain, + the f-16 is a dedicated sead platform irl

[queen flicker]

qol is a separate subject

it changes the game as a whole

while aryx is def annoyed about balance discussions, she still sorta adheres to game classification

and jammer pods could make F-16 rank 4

[rough elk]

any and all balance concerns go outta the window once mods are introduced lmfao

especially considering no one can join a vanilla server with said mods

[frail topaz]

I still think that so called modded aircraft balance is ultimately futile

you can have it within reason but it's never going to hold up to the vanilla standards, being a modded aircraft

[rough elk]

yeah it's a stupid argument

the way ppl cry about it you'd think there was an epidemic of them getting absolutely curbstomped in public lobbies

[frail topaz]

I mean you can try to balance the Sparkfrit for example and efforts were made in the design of the mod itself to stop it from outclassing the Medusa in its EW role, but outside of EW (and defensive countermeasures), it is in most respects, a very clear upgrade over the Medusa

that's just one example

SuperIfrit... I don't think it needs explanation why a mach 11+ capable version of the Ifrit with obscenely powerful engines is arguably more of a threat than even the UFO

(and it's at rank 5 with half the cost)

again I got no idea why there were balance complaints about Aryx's mods specifically

they're on the tame side of things in the modding landscape

lmao

[rough elk]

yeah like i said it's all dumb lmao

ppl just want something to be mad about clearly

[frail topaz]

I see no one complaining in the other modded aircraft threads about balance

but every time I take a look around RAH-72 discussion or maybe even the F-16M

complaints

💔

[rough elk]

it'll be the same ppl wanting infinite ammo mods and stuff too

[queen flicker]

hey, that's not my idea, that's aryx's

[rough elk]

yeah i know but that’s kinda the whole point of what i’m trying to say lol

she’s the one making it, if she wanted to make the gun shoot nuclear bullets there’s fuckall anyone else could do about it

but type and complain

[rigid hull]

Ultimately balance is just up to the mod dev as anyone sane intended :3

[bronze crag]

Hard disagree

That just makes no sense that's asinine

I'm going to make the rank zero $5 fighter that can also perform as good as a UFO and fire 7000 missiles. Nobody is going to use that

Balance is a good part of any good mod

[rough elk]

hello my name is nobody

[bronze crag]

Cool. You can dick around with like three friends for 5 minutes when actual servers will be running mods that are balanced with the game

[rough elk]

lmao fine by me

[bronze crag]

Unless like the server decides to add every single mod ever

[rough elk]

not like that’s not already happening with the 2 modded server per day that pop up

[bronze crag]

Most mod developers don't want to waste like days or for most people weeks of their time to get something that people don't want

[rough elk]

the thing is

it’s a loud minority that doesn’t want stuff

they don’t matter at all

[bronze crag]

Are you saying that balance doesn't matter whatsoever

[rough elk]

with mods?

no

all expectations of “balance” are immediately thrown out

only time that becomes an issue is if said mods can be used freely amonst ppl playing vanilla

[bronze crag]

I'm genuinely so confused how you think you are in a silent majority

[rough elk]

which is not the case

[bronze crag]

People want things to work with the game?????

[rough elk]

the silent majority is ppl crying about balance

[bronze crag]

Like?

[rough elk]

what’s not working

[bronze crag]

I am genuinely dumbfounded how this is even an argument

Yeah, just throw out all rules of balancing. Just don't give a shit anymore

[rough elk]

now you get it

there you go

[bronze crag]

The amount of effort you're putting in to just get it to work. There's no reason to not make it work with the game

[rough elk]

if it carries out its intended function then it works

[bronze crag]

It's intended. Function is flying. Do you understand how hard it is to get a single thing imported into game that can fly?

[rough elk]

ah yes because that’s the only function planes in this game have

[bronze crag]

If you're going to put that much effort into something and just make it comically unbalanced that's just there's no reason. I don't think the majority of people are going to use something entirely overpowered

[rough elk]

lol

lmao even

[rigid hull]

"Personal effort and fun is useless if people that don't want to screw around don't like it"

[rough elk]

ppl use op stuff all the time just for shits and giggles

[bronze crag]

Replace people with I

[rough elk]

ppl actually have this thing called fun when they play the game

[rigid hull]

I guess the event content was a waste of time huh :(

[bronze crag]

I'm not installing any mod that just comedically unbalances the game

[bronze crag]

It quite literally was

Like

[rough elk]

oh brother

[bronze crag]

Actually

It's made for a joke

[rigid hull]

THEY FINALLY SEE THE LIGHT!

Simply leave the modders alone~

[rough elk]

so YOU don’t use it

you can just say that

it’s easier than assuming everyone shares ur mindset

[queen flicker]

pretty sure javi is a modder

and in touch with aryx

[bronze crag]

I talk w atrx She values balance very greatly

[queen flicker]

and 2082 team

so uhhh

[bronze crag]

Yeah I literally worked on the tern 😭

[queen flicker]

javi may know thing or two about balance reasonability

[bronze crag]

The amount of effort that goes into balancing the F-16 and the turning on is just entirely lost on the majority of people

[rigid hull]

I love autocorrect

[bronze crag]

The Tern sine waved from underpowered to overpowered before eventually getting to where it is now. Even then there's debates on whether it's too tanky

[rigid hull]

I'm well aware balancing is high effort. :3 I just think the one specific argument that "why bother if not balanced" was annoying AF :3

[raven mica]

My take on it:

If a plane is overpowered, even if it's RIDICULOUSLY overpowered - it's allowed to be if that's something the mod creator wants it to be. Yeah, even if it's a Rank 0 $5 thing that outperforms the UFO. The problem with balance - different people have different opinions on balance, and they want it balanced in a different way. That's why I'll keep saying that if you think a mod is unbalanced, and you don't like it - delete the mod and move on.

[rigid hull]

I'm the silly creature that arrives to bash one point I hate & then vanishes :3

[raven mica]

Let the mod maker make whatever the hell they want, it will find its audience

[rough elk]

bingo

[queen flicker]

I disliked the point that "balance absolutely doesn't matter because it's a mod", even mod creators don't think that way

[raven mica]

I also sometimes use OP modded weapons in Fallout/Terraria/whatever game can be modded if it's fun/funny lmao

[rigid hull]

Unfortunately if the mod creator wants balance...There ya go~ :3 It shall be balanced :3

Sometimes their audience is indeed vanilla~

[raven mica]

That's one I'll keep making, mostly because It's much simpler to get across than a complicated discussion about "vision, decisions, this-this-this-that" with every person who complains. Don't like - don't play, just four words :v

[rough elk]

also this

[rigid hull]

Oh a reply to a blocked message, pain...

[rough elk]

or go make ur own

[rigid hull]

I feel bad for the mental trauma Javiair is having to endure

[queen flicker]

idk why you blocked me tbh

[queen flicker]

I suppose, people I saw in "the incident" are quite stupid, so that statement could work better than any explanation for them I suppose

[rigid hull]

Y'know Javiair has been typing for ages and I hope they aren't stressing themselves out

[bronze crag]

I mean there's that but for the amount of effort a Creator puts in, at least currently, unless it's explicitly designed to be a shit post (eg mig 15) making it comically unbalanced is Not what most authors are trying to do right now, which is especially what Eric's is trying to do with the F-16 and MC260, In the context of this thread, this aircraft is supposed to be balanced

[rigid hull]

Oh there it is :3

[bronze crag]

Hey, you know it takes zero effort to not be an ass

[rigid hull]

Hey now, that is genuine concern, despite my behaviour~

It's a discussion after all, not an argument, I have no ill will to you, promise.

[raven mica]

And about this particular discussion - when I came in here I wasn't even sure who's on which side lmao, so I'm guessing that this was a bit of a... miscommunication that got unnecessarily heated, as we're all on Aryx's side in this one

[silver kettle]

plane game trauma goes crazy

[rigid hull]

I'm just here to disagree with the parts of both sides I don't like :3

[rigid hull]

The more detailed and passionate the game the more passionate the trauma~

[rough elk]

all i’m saying is if a modder decides to do something then that’s their prerogative, no matter how anyone else feels about it

[rigid hull]

Also to jump back like 50 hours yea no the F-16 absolutely should not get jamming pods, I think I read that earlier and just...Balancing nightmare

[raven mica]

That's fair too

[rough elk]

no matter how “balanced”

[rigid hull]

Yes, including being balanced to vanilla :3

Therefore this entire argument is people agreeing :3

[silver kettle]

not wanting to add to the fire, I find the "its a mod, balance is thrown out of the window already" argument feels quite dismissive. It depends entirely on what's being done, what the vision is, what it's trying to accomplish sorta thing far more insightful and helpful in how a mod is perceived and therefore balanced.

[queen flicker]

Hey, I agree, I just disagreed with initial "where jammer pods, f-16 irl had them too"

[silver kettle]

If someone wants to make gigafart destroyer of unborn universes 9000 in the body of a Spitfire, they shall and those who want gigafart DUN-9000 shall get it

If the mod author wants to make an aircraft that stands out among the vanilla crew but is still a part of the sandbox, then we should be able to discuss it with them in a thoughtful and helpful manner

[raven mica]

Exactly why I'm so aggressive on this. We all know that people barely read the original posts, they barely look up information, and no way in hell they're gonna listen to pages of explanations and justifications, so it's much easier to tell them to just delete the mod and move on, because the mod creator doesn't owe them anything

[queen flicker]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1486563120339095674/1509212512963526686/6bg9esbn663h1.gif

[rigid hull]

I like that the balance discussion every day of every thing ever is an endless loop of everyone actually secretly agreeing that the mod dev should do what they want, and then like every few weeks we beat someone with rocks for claiming that mod devs should bend to the will of yelling.

[silver kettle]

wait this isn't the shipyard.

[rigid hull]

Lmao

[raven mica]

I'm well aware that Aryx cares about balance, and that she has her own vision on that. But I have a REALLY big problem with people attempting to bully her into re-balancing stuff to fit their own vision

[silver kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/umamusume-king-halo-king-shocked-gif-18400316420811638392

[queen flicker]

shipyard is quite chill

[rigid hull]

Oguri got too hungry for mod drama and wandered off, huh.

[silver kettle]

(average Discord moment: "Wait, this isn't [X] server/channel")

[rigid hull]

Oops ping was on I should evaporate ;-;

[raven mica]

@bronze crag @queen flicker And that's why this gif was made :v

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1506673425689612408/1508534897046851775/0525.gif

[queen flicker]

this thread is actually quite heated compared to shipyard, especially since Aryx returned

[silver kettle]

im gonna get ramen to celebrate the new ramen themed scenario coming in 1-2 months

[silver kettle]

we should give everyone ice cream

[rigid hull]

I both do and don't want context...

[rigid hull]

Hell yea :3

I'd post more but this is the F-16 channel not the Uma channel I can't get too sidetracked---

[bronze crag]

There's a fine line between giving advice and being a bully

Like the F-16 I think is pretty well balanced

If there's something I want improved, I'll ask nicely

[silver kettle]

we engage in diplomatic diplomacy

[bronze crag]

Not what most people seem to do where they come in droves and just complain

[rigid hull]

If I ever want a mod improved I silent sit in the back crying because I can't do it yet and I'd melt into a puddle if I told a mod developer to change things.

[bronze crag]

To be fair I've gotten to a point where I can call literally every mod developer my friend so

[raven mica]

Well, yeah, no one's gonna push it on Aryx's server if they don't want to get nuked by the mod team. People do it here and on reddit because they can do it without getting kicked out

[bronze crag]

I Have the ability to talk to them like one

[silver kettle]

On a more relevant goofy topic

[rigid hull]

I think I'd rather quit gaming than have to talk about gaming on Reddit...

[silver kettle]

Opinions on the F-16 losing the centreline A2A missiles?

[bronze crag]

It makes communication especially when needing to be critical a lot easier

[bronze crag]

I think the nuclear option Reddit should reserve itself a special ticket in hell

[rigid hull]

Ah, you added 2 extra words, "nuclear option"

[queen flicker]

I don't take centerline anything

it looks bad

[bronze crag]

I'm not against it. Honestly it's not that little of a change and I feel like that's more an atg pylon anyway

But at the same time it's really funny

[silver kettle]

You know what thats just based af.

[rigid hull]

I mean I guess the word "the" is also extra in the joke...

[bronze crag]

True

[raven mica]

We had Fashion Souls, now we have Fashion Option?

[silver kettle]

It is kinda funny watching my beloved Falco sling a Schmitty outta it’s belly

[bronze crag]

I go there to laugh my ass off with a bucket of popcorn at the ridiculous things people say

[silver kettle]

But yeah

I always reserved it for the GBL-500LR

[rigid hull]

Fashion is a vitally important part of all combat.

[silver kettle]

My dumbass spent 2 hours getting a thematic drip everytime a new Destiny-2 story/expansion drops

[rigid hull]

I am after all ((sadly)) a WT player and I am SADDENED by the sheer number of players with no decals or deco with their settings on "historical"

[bronze crag]

I mean I make liveries. I can't disagree

[silver kettle]

And then realising I’m a chud who never takes off star eaters

[rigid hull]

And for that matter I was indoctrinated into Forza and I refuse not to decorate cars before using them
That aside I outright just don't take certain weapons in certain spots if I think they look bad ;-;

[silver kettle]

The joke writes itself with my profile picture

[silver kettle]

Theres beauty in the ugliness sometimes

[rigid hull]

True, true, certain types of goofy are beautiful, I do account for that.

[silver kettle]

I had to get really used to Elite Dangerous’s style of spacecraft

because

uh

[bronze crag]

Unrestricted weapons cricket with five rail guns

That is the most beautiful loadout of all time

[rigid hull]

But that's not bala------

[bronze crag]

It looks so cursed

[silver kettle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/elite-dangerous/images/4/4d/Fer-de-Lance-ship-top-view.png/revision/latest?cb=20181128113824

[silver kettle]

”you telling me this chud is the meta defining combat spacecraft?”

[rigid hull]

As much as I like nice shapes, you better tell me that thing goes in atmosphere or I'm gonna evaporate.
Fed up of space-only craft being so pointy ;-;

[bronze crag]

I've actually never played with it. I've just seen so many screenshots of that thing

Unironically I just never felt like it

I don't even play qol

[silver kettle]

It was made by the Ferrarai of the space corpo’s.

[bronze crag]

Well outside of making it work

[silver kettle]

I kinda wish there was a biiig log of what QoL does and doesn’t change

unless there is

then fuh

[rigid hull]

I played with it wanting to literally to carry more AIR-2s and then discovered that the AI prevention was er...50 years out, so~

[silver kettle]

Because everytime I see QoL mentioned, I always seem to get the impression it’s meant to be a total rebalance for the game meant to emphasise much faster, chaotic combat where everything is far more lethal on it’s own

[rigid hull]

Being given unrestricted nonsense actually just leads to me using too many unguided weapons or covering a brawler wing tip to wing tip in gun pods.

[silver kettle]

Like the 20mm being changed to 25mm

and the AT-145’s losing its top attack properties so its a return to form. (Sorta) for the former now bygone era of 42 lynchpin’s wiping out sandrift.

[rigid hull]

God, lynchpins were so silly pre-laser...

[silver kettle]

I never used AGM-48’s ever when I realised there was no consequences over the whimsy and joy of one tapping an entire convoy with 28 lynchies

[raven mica]

Imagine Lynchpin-loaded Brawler without the need to paint the targets

[silver kettle]

A friend of mine still complains about them being changed to laser guided to this day, altho nowadays I think its more of a unfunny ironic bit than anything from him

[bronze crag]

That's basically what it is

[rigid hull]

When it was updated I had to remind people I was playing with over and over that it was changed...

And then they just gave up on using them ;-;

It did make kingpins nicer though :3

[silver kettle]

I had a guy complain about N.O being weird and boring and the weapons being inaccurate because his AGM-48 didn’t hit its mark. (He fired off arc and I think it slammed into the ground)

[bronze crag]

Oh kingpins are perfect with laser

Lynchpins are still spammable but to a less extent

[silver kettle]

Kingpin’s became my compliment to AGM-48 spam

[bronze crag]

Honestly, there just needs to be a way to encourage buddy lazing more

[silver kettle]

the chud Linebreaker MBT never saw it coming

[silver kettle]

Laser.. pods…

[bronze crag]

And small point benefits I'd say

[silver kettle]

oh and maybe UI that better signifies if someone is lasering the same target as you

[bronze crag]

Yep

[silver kettle]

because unless you are cag larp, super milsim roleplay

[raven mica]

True, we have points for jamming, so why not that as well

[silver kettle]

I deadass go

“Oh, wait, they’re lasering it for m- nevermind.”

[bronze crag]

It's really annoying to not know if the target is lazed by another person or not

[bronze crag]

I was thinking more of an assist system like you get say a third of the points of the person who killed the vehicle if you lase it for them

[silver kettle]

The AI being more aggro with the jamming pods is a right step imo

Who knows, maybe we’ll get some more laser action

[bronze crag]

We're getting artillery. I hope there's a laser buff with that

[silver kettle]

Especially if we’re getting SPG’s firing shells that require the lasers to hit their-

oi ya stole my point you delectable knob

[bronze crag]

Well they require them to be accurate

They can fire freeform inaccurately

[silver kettle]

Ye

I genuinely do think more info on whats being lased or not will help massively

Like even if the lasers dont get buffed

or have a way to increase it

Being able to know if someone is what without needing to scan all friendly aircraft to see what they’re targeting before promptly realising they swapped targets

Hell most of the time you end up wasting ammo because the IFV got slimed by the same guy who was giving you laser assist

[queen flicker]

it kinda is

"QoL" in the name is a legacy from the early mod history

[silver kettle]

Rite

Will say

When AGM-99 buff Mitch. /j

[bronze crag]

(honestly suprised its not renamed)

[queen flicker]

same

[raven mica]

I think, something that would be nice, passive lasing?

If there's an aircraft in the area that uses munitions that don't require lasers - it's kinda wasted. So they could be programmed to automatically lase the targets someone WITH laser-guided munitions selects, but doesn't have enough lasers for

[flint robin]

putting optical guided lynchpins on my brawler and making a beeline to Vigil Cay Naval Airbase (I am a Boscali patriot with a dream and a hatred for Vigil Cay)

[tepid cypress]

Harmony Sands is getting it for sure, there's a Stratolance battery there in Terminal Control that was a bastard to get to with AI teammates

[modern geyser]

Fer De Lanceeee

@coral jolt hey, sry 4 pinging, but do u have icon for F-16M like this type ?

[tardy basin]

where do i downloead it?

[ashen willow]

It keeps pitching up and down violently even if I enable flight assist

[buoyant meadow]

update to latest version

[ashen willow]

Thanks

[low valley]

F-16M 1.1.4 update

• Improved default liveries
• Impact tolerance adjustments (no longer flames out instantly if you take off slightly too early)
• More FBW tuning, oscillations reduced substantially
• Fixed cockpit night lighting strobing at high speed
• Fixed flight assist being off by default (Thank you zloy_farrash for figuring this one out)
• Adjusted cockpit textures to not be vantablack because of shadowing
• Landing Gear base widened slightly

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M/releases/tag/1.1.4

[deft perch]

Landing gear base widened slightly

I wonder if this’ll mitigate the wobbly taxiing at all.

Even so I definitely need to be easier on the rudder on the ground.

Keep up the great work, Aryx.

[delicate moon]

THRY WIDENED THE GEAR ???????

IMPOSSIBLE

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-silly-gif-17369080282858494213

[low valley]

by like 3 degrees but it does help

[delicate moon]

Elite f 16 knowledge

[zealous lichen]

sead options 🛐 ❤️

[lilac granite]

holy shite the gear change wasn't lying

tipping over like a moron at 60kph now instead of 40 🙏

but fr it's awesome it makes it so much easier to recover from doing the

[delicate moon]

The stanky taxi to runway leg

[lilac granite]

viper hain't recovered from the bevvies he had at the pub crawl yet 😔

[deft perch]

Exceptional

[last wasp]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1503723674837188728

[jagged cloud]

Got it was so annoying

Hell yes i drive like an idiot, hell no i won’t drive properly

[bitter pilot]

Ahh it was fine, it's not DCS. if you tipped over you could tip back upright with some wiggles

Don't need to respawn just cause your wing is scraping along the tarmac for a few hundred meters

[jagged cloud]

Yea true, and thank goodness for that

[low valley]

On the plus side this has taught me a lesson for my next fighter

it’ll have a very wide gearbase because people are in a hurry apparently

[bitter pilot]

for better or worse the pace of sorties in NO is blisteringly fast.

players eventually figure out exactly how much taxiway you need to takeoff from

[low valley]

i do find it funny there’s like 3 aircraft that actually need the runway

darkreach, brawler and alkyon

[lilac granite]

lowk the reason why mitch's been getting more and more creative with taxiways on ignus and newmap™

[delicate moon]

everyone got STOL in this bish

[tepid cypress]

Especially since we'll be getting runway cratering soon™

[sweet stream]

Brawler counts as 0.5

[jagged cloud]

Yea but noone’s been using runways all this time

Runways? Where we’re going, we don’t need runways!

[tepid cypress]

Runways are terrain, as are taxiways...I'd imagine we'll see some PAB-125 shenanigans before too long

[lilac granite]

0.8 honestly

it CAN take off from taxiways but you need a comically long and straight one

[jagged cloud]

Easier to just take out the hangars tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sweet stream]

Local man invents runways

[low valley]

[vagrant charm]

is this pala's version of the f-16?

[sweet stream]

Isn’t that just an f16

[vagrant charm]

doesnt look like an f-16

[tawdry smelt]

The LF1 looks way more like an F/A-18 Hornet

[prisma iron]

Or F-5

[peak urchin]

Long fighter 1

[low valley]

<t:1780851600:R>

[vagrant charm]

how much scythes will it carry?

[low valley]

4

[shell cairn]

Nah way smaller, from the clues Aryx has given more akin to an F-5.

I foresee some F-104 shenanigans

Fly fast, dump missiles, gtfo

And I'm all for it

I love tiny speed demons

[vale yoke]

Oh hell yes

F5 gaming

[bronze crag]

I support the shit head

[vast void]

i was using the F-16 viper and was around 1500kmh, i tilt up alittle bit then all the sudden the jet just completely folded itself and crashed, the pilot died instantly
i have no idea what happened

the jet was shaking up and down a bit from the speed alone

[tawdry smelt]

Oh hell yeah, the F-5 is goated

[spark rivet]

Yes sometimes we ARE in a hurry because we don't want to be nuked (related Revoker clip)

[vale yoke]

Long sword?

Is that from QoL?

[still rivet]

this excites me

[vale yoke]

I want QoL weapons to be seperated one day, they seem neat but I don't want all of QoL lol

[delicate moon]

Please Aryx I need this
My hornet kinda wingless

[bitter pilot]

what a small baby it is

[rose junco]

it's not a horney

[obsidian sonnet]

Beefed up FCk-1

[amber cedar]

f-5?

[rose junco]

Oh fk... that's why she still has shown it fully.

Oh god I dislike that thing. I'm sure it's great, but I need proof of it.

[low valley]