[0.33] [AIRCRAFT] Aryx's F-16M King Viper

[umbral girder]

Nothing to add for Aryx, just a 👍 for the incredible quality of the F-16M and joining the hype train for her new fixed-wing heavy as a dedicated logistics and CAS guy

[wanton kite]

Is it possible in future to make some guide how to make planes/vehicles for NO? I just have Jaskal and Skelter 3d models, and think to make it when I will have some free time

[neon vigil]

I can't wait for the shenanigans with the 127mm railgun gunship loadout

[neon vigil]

she's working on one

[wanton kite]

Jackal?

[umbral girder]

same, though I'm really looking forward to being a proper heavy AWACS/EWAR/heavy munitions cornerstone for my group with it

[neon vigil]

no a guide on how to make aircraft for NO

[manic swan]

tarantula-chimera rivalry boutta be insane

[sweet stream]

Chimera clears all day any day of the week

[rose junco]

They're both good in their own ways

And they are fren

[umbral girder]

could try my hand at writing a bit up for it, as I work in Unity myself, but I've never touched NO's actual assets so I wouldn't know where to start on actual numbers for balancing and performance, making something that works in the game's physics environment, etc.

[neon vigil]

yeah it's crazy how it blends both the Tarantula and Medusa capabilities in one large fixed wing aircraft

[rose junco]

And yet we couldn't get a jammer on the viper mod

I will still lament this decision

[neon vigil]

sadly I can somewhat understand why she didn't but still wish it did

[heady vine]

The tula still has a big advantage in that it can take off from ships and forward air bases, so it's still not totally obsolete

[umbral girder]

tbh, I was personally planning on making a fixed-wing heavy support aircraft if the new official plane we got wasn't that, but the Chimera blows what I was planning out of the water so I'm moving on to something else

[rose junco]

I don't, because if you're gonna just give it to the big plane anyways, making it oppressive in that regard, why not just give it to the viper anyway. It's not a free win pylon

[neon vigil]

oh absolutely that's the great part with it that it doesn't make anything obsolete same with the F-16

[manic swan]

honestly i could see CTOL versions of both the 'tula and the 'tex being pretty nice, you could trade VTOL capability for more speed/fuel/weaponry

[umbral girder]

once I actually learn the ins-and-outs, current plan is to make something more akin to an F-111/F-117 like I thought the Alkyon was going to be initially

[raven mica]

It was tried, but it was way too crazy

It might still be crazy on the big plane as well tho, but we'll see

[neon vigil]

the bigger reason my guess is that it would make the F-16 more survivable which reduces its big set back of being a glass cannon and pushes it to being a bit more over powered compared to other aircraft

[umbral girder]

as a ground-pounder I love having a COIN prop, an attacker/trainer, and a heavy CAS bird in the same game, but I miss having a more dedicated high-speed precision fighter-bomber

also, thinking about it, add the Tornado to the mix of influences for the design
(especially since we have submunition dispensers now)

[neon vigil]

she said there will be work done to make a F-22EX style aircraft and a possible rank 0 helicopter that is inspired by 2 games

[umbral girder]

ooh, now that sounds exciting

[sweet stream]

Because it was incredibly OP

[low valley]

version 2 then the final one

[low valley]

it shifted the viper from “Very strong for a rank 2” to “strong for a rank 4” lmao

[neon vigil]

yeah I totally understand why we don't have it

[neon vigil]

lol it just proves how cracked a irl F-16 can be

[raven mica]

Honestly, at first I was a bit on the fence about blown wings, but it's really growing on me
Also makes more sense, considering the side cannons that can be equipped

[vale yoke]

I must... Gunship.

[low valley]

made the engine gauges a bit more readable

[raven mica]

Have you managed to figure out those issues, or no luck so far?

Also, love that bumblebee reference lmao

[low valley]

other issues are kicking my ass but I'll get em

[rose junco]

Ya like jazz?

[limber wigeon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doogle-seargant

[low valley]

https://discord.gg/GHGdVRkh?event=1496598634634940417

it is time

the countdown begins >:3

[rose junco]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alarm-gem-alert-ring-ring-doorbell-chud-gif-1353273367591808784

[mortal vector]

[rose junco]

https://tenor.com/view/w-gif-7169153438205437070

[untold depot]

link isnt working for me :c

[bitter pilot]

I gotta sleep to wake up for work but can't wait to check it out tomorrow when I get home. <3

[rose junco]

Don't worry, I'll play it for you

[bitter pilot]

good

find all the bugs before I get it

[real ridge]

is this in 2 and a half hours or a day and 2 and half hours ???

either way LETS GO

[low valley]

window starts in 2 and a half hours

[real ridge]

ah, i cant wait

[limber wigeon]

We will be looking forward to your work

Get some rest tho after

we need one of the best modders still alive

[sweet stream]

Reminder that it says WINDOW and not actual release time

[misty sentinel]

Looking forwards to it.

[final salmon]

I feel like this is a bad idea. I don't like the idea of creating for posts that are not completed yet. The current post of aircraft that are "under development" have already come and gone; we see that it's in development, then we move on. Most people are not bothering to check it after. So when it launches, not much traffic the project is going to get, as opposed to making posts as soon as the aircraft is ready.

Even then, Aryx has a whole lineup of aircraft they have in mind to work on, so it's gonna be absurd to create multiple posts for all of them, let alone them having to bounce between conversations of different aircraft that are colossally different from each other.

[mortal vector]

fs3 incident

[low valley]

this

[final salmon]

I'd lowkenuenky crash out if I opened up #1457927084587483260 and 97% of the aircraft that are posted are just "under development" despite being posted.

[low valley]

^

[brisk coyote]

F-106G be like
Btw, current status: development hell

[rigid hull]

Like I am all for letting people take their time with the creative process, it's important ❤️
I really appreciate mod creators~
But I will internally detonate if I have to stare at a wall of "later :3" every day ;-;

[final salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046038664553177139/1472103815623868501/togif.gif

[rigid hull]

See, that and not-being-a-completely-awful-person is why I don't give into my brain's desire to scream 'pleeeeeaaaase lemme test it' at modders :3

Instead I sit there, drooling on the window, staring at people making exactly what I want and waiting~ With love :3

[final salmon]

There's one "development" mod that I'm not gonna point out which shows absolutely no progress other than the initial model in the first post

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/736786637492715560/1115577071859679282/F4AC96AA-07F4-46B3-B150-1558AE312602.gif

[cobalt bronze]

I can’t wait

[final salmon]

Sorry, but you're waiting. 🥱 🔥

[low valley]

there are three of these

[final salmon]

After the first one I just crashed out and avoid looking at newer ones lowkey

[rigid hull]

I have my guess, but I kinda purposefully don't check the channels beyond waiting for them to do stuff because I get the feeling it's just 90% people going "when?"

[cobalt bronze]

Nuh uh

[final salmon]

I lowkey was like "YO ANOTHER AIRCRAFT" saw a lack of download, saw no other image, just text details of what it might do. Crashed out.

[rigid hull]

Instead I just stalk Aryx because they gave me the joy of watching hordes of migs accomplish nothing against eachother.

And honestly if I had more free time and more patience with the editor I think the mig alone could keep me giggling for another 2 mod releases.

[final salmon]

F-16 is all I need

https://youtu.be/gotB5q-uqLk?si=DWjLILdtAh5z0Nm3

Boot this up with MFD mod

[rigid hull]

Honestly having the F-16 from normal smoll runways has been a joy for casual play with friends.

[final salmon]

Absolutely peak

[low valley]

this is exactly why i only make my forum posts on release

[rigid hull]

Unfortunately because I knew you were getting stuff done I was still screaming internally every time I saw a picture of any WIPs 👀

...Every person I personally VC with was well aware of my excitement but y'know...
No "when" posts because I...That doesn't...Doesn't do anything...

God knows if I wanted to "when when when!" every project in existence I liked I literally would not have time to actually do anything

[final salmon]

I'm in Japan timezones so when I saw Aryx go "tomorrow" on a post that was "yesterday" I was low-key ecstatic till I realized it was the day after.

Then saw it got delayed

https://tenor.com/view/jiminoreo-gif-4884042028109983039

[rigid hull]

It's ok, we collectively love Aryx, they can take their time :3
My annoyance is directed at the fact I am subject to the passage of time :3

Just please please please do delay it if it turns out there's something wrong 👀 Better that than rushing for a set window.

[final salmon]

Delayed because you're SHORT 🗣️🔥🔥🚒

[rigid hull]

So mean :(

[buoyant meadow]

we need 105 howitzer

[buoyant meadow]

mc260 is out 🙏

[low valley]

will do release here once the trailer is ready

[near musk]

peak

nuclear option community is racking up more modded aircraft than i can count

idk how to count tho

[onyx mural]

a mig 15, an f16, and a new fictional cargo aircraft before the release of the fs3 ternion

that is insane

[near musk]

does the fq-106 count?

[onyx mural]

yeah

[near musk]

so thats like 5

[onyx mural]

the fq106 was the first step of making modded aircraft

[onyx mural]

i think there are 4 but there is a "5th" if you count the kamikaze drones

i still see that as a win tho

[near musk]

plane is plane

the more the merrier

[low valley]

early access build of mc260 is on the shipyard, will do full public release later

[obsidian birch]

the more the harrier??????

[narrow spoke]

Comical TWR when near empty

does not represent performance with realistic combat load

[rigid hull]

Well my first goal is unsurprisingly going to be finding a way to keep a radar alive long enough to put rams next to it in a bitchy place using this lovely creature

[crimson monolith]

Sorry but what exactly is the shipyard

[fathom rampart]

what in the actual fu

[onyx mural]

0.9 T/W at 100% fuel...

[fathom rampart]

thats nuts for cargo transport

[narrow spoke]

Railgun is definitely good for sub-capital ships

[cobalt bronze]

Aryx's own discord server

[narrow spoke]

Very minor thing, but the joystick in the cockpit view should use the bottom of the stick as the pivot point, not the center of the stick

[low valley]

naturally a lot of its balance needs dialled in

there's a few problems

wanted to get it out for testing, proper public release tomorrow

she'll be a lot more dialled in and reasonable by then

already fixing the supersonic ability of it

[fathom rampart]

yeah you put globemaster III engines on a hercules

[narrow spoke]

I was able to shoot my wingtip off with the railgun while engaging a Hyperion, not sure if the front or rear did it

[narrow spoke]

Its more like C-5 Galaxy engines on an A400

[low valley]

fixed in the latest build

[fathom rampart]

nah the dry weight of the thing is similar to the herc, but i did some napkin math and the thrust is similar to the PW 2000

[low valley]

150kN per engine asl, 4 engines

[fathom rampart]

it has what 150kN

yup

[low valley]

• over-wing configuration for blown wings gives insane lift

naturally with payload she's a bit heftier

[fathom rampart]

yeah but its a tad too much lift

less thrust needed

[low valley]

that video was at 7% fuel

corr: 5

she also needs the lift for heavier loads

[fathom rampart]

i mean, sure, but at the same time it takes off as fast as an ifrit on full afterburner, even completely dry thats way off

[low valley]

this just in: a heavy lift jet with nothing in it has good twr?

shiiiiet

next you'll tell me a clean ifrit on 5% fuel has good twr

[fathom rampart]

a heavy lift jet with a weight similar to the hercules carrying engines that was supposed to push triple its weight

[low valley]

you may note that the hercules is over 100 years old by the time of NO

[fathom rampart]

well yeah but at the same time is it necessary to give it globemaster tier engines

[low valley]

perhaps there is a desire for more capacity in a similar size airframe thus lending to an inherently more powerful engine setup

yes

being able to take off at mtow is good actually

[fathom rampart]

the globemaster can carry the entire chimera as payload

[low valley]

the chimera could carry the chimera as a payload

[rigid hull]

I am absolutely adoring the creatura so far :3

[fathom rampart]

it can carry 4 chimeras as payload before it cant lift off :V

[rigid hull]

If there is ever a 1 cargo slot short range deployable radar I will proceed to be a horrible person

[fathom rampart]

the supersonic speed isnt exactly the chimeras fault though given the darkreach and compass can hit supersonic speed without diving or anything

actually so can the medusa

is there even a single jet in the game that cant break the sound barrier at high altitudes actually

[low valley]

i do want to get it to subsonic however as I have an even larger cargo plane planned for the distant future

[fathom rampart]

the extreme thrust definitely contributes

[low valley]

gigantic swing wing cargo plane

cause screw maintenance crews and screw common sense

[rigid hull]

Clearly the answer is adding armour.

[fathom rampart]

the globemaster has a min T/W of 0.277 though, so you can definitely lower the thrust while keeping high payload

[rigid hull]

I am a sane and kind human being.

Also doing this within the first 6-10 minutes depending on starting cash & such is really funny :3

[narrow spoke]

You can definitely circle around a carrier and keep its missiles off you with the jammer + infinite flares while you blast it with railguns, but it doesnt seem you get enough ammo to sink it. Lots of 127mm holes but no big damage

[rigid hull]

I wasn't paying much attention but I did just have a wing sheer off on deployment of the airbreaks at high speed and honestly...Probably on me. No idea.

[fathom rampart]

smh this generation got too coddled by their fancy FBW systems, younglins dont know how to treat their aircraft right /s

[rigid hull]

Also mounting the railgun in the back at low load can indeed lead to the aircraft doing a backflip on take-off, 10/10, no notes. ❤️
A true reminder of my time with weapon mods in KSP

[narrow spoke]

The FRCV has no paracute when airdropped, but it seems to handle crashing into the Earth at mach 1 just fine

[rigid hull]

Also shooting my own wing off :3
Again, my fault, no issues, just having fun :3

[fathom rampart]

remember that one chinese t59 video

the FRCV is him

[delicate moon]

The thing weighs thirty seven tons empty ?

[fathom rampart]

kinds standard for a transport its size yeah i think

the globemaster III weighs 128 tons empty

C130H weighs 34 tons empty

[delicate moon]

But this thing has almost double the max takeoff weight

[rigid hull]

Hmmm...It can be quite durable...

Coudln't quite land it, despite circling the map. Lost too much control at landing speeds :3

[final salmon]

It's out?

[rigid hull]

My eepy ass saw Aryx mention their shipyard and I just kind of er...Rubbed my 2 functioning sleep craving braincells together and went to their github 👀

[final salmon]

Just for that

I'ma start nit picking it so official release gets delayed

🥱

[rigid hull]

I'll have you know, it's perfect~
I mean probably not but...Took off, flew, shot things...Delivered unlawfully violent amount of RAM-45 launchers.
And I intend to fly nothing but it as much as possible over the next few sessions of NO
Flys well, does silly things...

And you hold no power to delay it because some form of it is already in my hands >:3

[low valley]

latest early access build adjusts that

the FRCV has to be deployed sheridan style

rolling landing on the ground

she’s too heavy for chutes

[low valley]

it’s in the base msg of this channel, the server at least

[rigid hull]

Don't shame her like that, I like my machines a lil chubby >:(

[rigid hull]

I spent hours at work doing literally nothing and then this released past midnight, 90% of anything I say will be incoherrent in one way or another :3

[low valley]

it’s mostly empty space

[rigid hull]

Apart from my praise, those parts are true.

Anyway I should sleep so that the lovely plane doesn't keep me up to 5 in the morning...
Good luck to the people that do have more time to fly it early :3

[final salmon]

I hope it's delayed when you wake up.

[rigid hull]

But I already haaaaaaave it~ :3 ❤️

[mortal vector]

we have airliners finally🥹

[leaden badger]

My question is, will it drop? 🧐

[tawdry smelt]

Drop what? Like thug-shaker style?

[leaden badger]

What else would u think I was talking about, common 😒

[sinful topaz]

Me waiting for the day we can airdrop them like paratroopers

3 Orca's running into Agrapol with a Vortex clearing the way

The humble Agrapol personnel looking up:

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[leaden badger]

But it’s not out fully yet, right?

[tawdry smelt]

It's in Aryx' Shipyard Discord server

Early access

"1.0.0.1"

[sinful topaz]

Is it a server we can join?

[tawdry smelt]

I believe the invite is in the F-16M King Viper mod forum @sinful topaz

[sinful topaz]

Thank you!

[sleek yew]

i can't use pitch control surfaces on the cargo jet.
im unsure of rudder, as i haven't gotten off the ground to try.
roll does work however
not sure how i can describe it other than i just simply can't pull up.
i've dropped the weight and have gotten up to speeds of 800kph, still no lift.
im not sure where i can provide logs from if needed, but im willing to find them if needed

https://medal.tv/games/nuclear-option/clips/mzbBDepdhvKipYXqG?invite=cr-MSxBYWEsNDQwNzMwNDYx&v=30
https://medal.tv/games/nuclear-option/clips/mzbA3Aodo89TGqmKm?invite=cr-MSxsakcsNDQwNzMwNDYx&v=30
https://medal.tv/games/nuclear-option/clips/mzbov8PTsORQN_wFW?invite=cr-MSxBWEgsNDQwNzMwNDYx&v=30
https://medal.tv/games/nuclear-option/clips/mzbhDmwK4EMJi4q9m?invite=cr-MSxpWVosNDQwNzMwNDYx&v=30

[peak urchin]

Have you tried turning off some other mods

Like idk, NOTT?

[sleek yew]

i don't think i have nott running, but i can check.
is it known to cause issues?

[sleek yew]

take that back, i guess i did have it running

[tawdry smelt]

My mod list for example seems totally fine with it.

[sleek yew]

this is mine (now with nott disabled)

i suppose nott just simply is incompatible.
it works now, thanks for the help <3

[rough bobcat]

Livery idea

[raw aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/w-gif-7169153438205437070

[fathom rampart]

Because it has ridiculous engines

It weighs about 1/3rd of a globemaster III while having 0.8x the thrust

[sinful topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/w-gif-7169153438205437070

[final salmon]

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-MC260-Chimera/releases/tag/1.0.0

[raven mica]

Maybe give Aryx time to release the mod first before posting the link in the official NO server? 🙃

@low valley u good with this? ^^^

[sharp cape]

so freaking epic

[raven mica]

Seeing people posting the github link all over the place as well

sigh

[final salmon]

Its public access on their github, and they mentioned it in this channel earlier. I'm not gatekeeping something that's labeled on their github as "Public Release", even then, Aryx is currently making a formal public release.

I don't see the reason to gatekeep something if their intention was to not gatekeep it. If Aryx wanted to gatekeep it to certain people on its first release, it woudnt be on their github page.

[raven mica]

I just find it weird that several people posted the link already BEFORE Aryx, effectively hijacking the release

[final salmon]

🥱

what do u expect us to do with people asking about it then

gatekeep it?

"sorry, but its not released yet" even though its posted?

[raven mica]

I don't know, wait a bit and let her make the thread, just as a courtesy to the dev who made the bloody thing?

[rare forge]

^

[final salmon]

so what am i supposed to respond to people asking about it

Aryx already mentioned its in their github, someone asked about it, so i directed them where to give it to them

[sinful topaz]

point them to their server if they're so inclined to investigating?

[final salmon]

god forbid i gatekeep something thats released

yall acting like im leaking something thats public bruh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/736786637492715560/1115577071859679282/F4AC96AA-07F4-46B3-B150-1558AE312602.gif

[sinful topaz]

But you have a point, it is out. I would at least just leave it to the creator to push it out

Anyways, it'll have its forum later. Just let Aryx polish the mod enough to do so ig!

[raven mica]

It's not necessarily leaking, since it is technically a public release, that's fair. But I do find it odd that Aryx didn't post the github link anywhere on the server, but several people felt that it's necessary that they do it first, before Aryx made the thread and released it, with all the info and trailer

[worn fern]

son it is NOT that deep 💔

[final salmon]

Because nobody said otherwise? Aryx already told us they have the early access part released, and has shown no intention that they want it gatekept or limited.

Someone asked about it. No matter how you tell them, it'll eventually lead to the same exact result, it's just being more direct. I don't see how this at all is a problem. There's not a flood of people in here going to my link, i'm not taking credit for the release, i'm just directing them to Aryx's github which they themselves pointed out, which no matter how you beat around the bush, it's still gonna lead them to the same place.

Assuming that what you're vaguely conveying that we don't give them the information to give it to them, how pissed would you be when you asked about random players giving screenshots of them actively using the aircraft, they all refuse to give you anything leading up to it, or vaguely say statements that give you little to no information at all, and then later found out it was already posted publically, and that a group of people gatekept it.

[final salmon]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Like I said, don't know why people act like i'm leaking something thats public. I'm not preventing Aryx from making a formal form of the aircraft at all.

[worn fern]

human asks if mod is out yet
another human responds with public link to mod out of courtesy for them so they don’t have to search for 20 minutes
urrrgh dude why post before mod creator

I’m like 90% sure aryx jst said that the only reason there isn’t a forum post yet is because they wanna finish the launch trailer n stuff

but its not like its some exclusive access item its literally a public link son

[raven mica]

DMs exist

Dude

[worn fern]

genuinely don’t understand the problem

if he made his own forum post and took the work for his own then I’d get it but he’s literally just helping people out

[final salmon]

Do you have anything suggesting they do not want any links of their publicly posted mod here?

[worn fern]

If it’s a public item then there is no reason to restrict distributive methods especially if he’s still giving full credit to aryx

[raven mica]

Easy, Aryx could've posted the link herself, but she never did

[worn fern]

the only reason I could think of is maybe they wanna polish some stuff but even then it’s not like u made a big announcement for it or anything

literally just posted a link in a completely separate mod forum that 99% of people will miss anyways 💔

[final salmon]

She's just waiting for the trailer before making a formal post about it. I see nothing stating to not post a link that is public.

[raven mica]

Again, could've used DMs

[worn fern]

oook but there’s nothing obligating him to do that or any necessary reason to

like son are we for real right now 😭

[final salmon]

im slightly starting to feel like theyre ragebaiting

[worn fern]

maybe

some ppl also don’t understand that people can be very busy

[raven mica]

I just said that it would be courteous to the mod developer who worked her ass off on this to let her do a proper public release on this server

[worn fern]

personally I don’t wanna dig around for 30 minutes looking for a discord link to find said mod when a chill guy can just drop it in the channel for me and save me a half an hour of my time

but that’s just me what do I know

[final salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-bruh-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-higuruma-higuruma-hiromi-gif-6772381213627884903

[final salmon]

LITERALLY bro

[worn fern]

dude aryx will still get to do that and 99.9999% of the attention for it will be received there

[final salmon]

ong id crash out if someone is gatekeeping something PUBLIC

[worn fern]

these r the same types of people who are like those Japanese modders who gatekeep a full fidelity MH-60M on dcs 😭

[raven mica]

Bloody hell, DMs bro. It takes a few seconds to right click a guy

[worn fern]

also fell naramo enjoyer based

[final salmon]

gatekeeping a public gmod workshop addon

[final salmon]

GHPC player too 🤝

[worn fern]

helllll yeah

I haven’t played ghpc in a minute I need to lock in

[worn fern]

ok but tell me

[final salmon]

lowkey same

[rose junco]

Low teir bait

[worn fern]

in what capacity does this effect YOUR day

OR

the overall perception of the mod and Aryx’s ability to release it

[final salmon]

how does this affect the stock market

[worn fern]

I’ll give you a hint son

[raven mica]

Not really, but I do care about the mod, and about letting it have a proper release

[worn fern]

zero.

and it’s gonna get that

posting the early access link in here to save someone some time isn’t going to hurt that like at all

[final salmon]

its still gonna get a proper release, they just released it early and waiting for their trailer to finish before making an official post

[worn fern]

It is going to get its own trailer and channel in likely a few hours dude

or days idk

I don’t really care when the trailer comes out cuz it will be awesome regardless

[raven mica]

Okay, you know what - whatever. Let's drop this circus of a discussion. You think you're right, I think I'm right, we're never gonna convince each other otherwise

[worn fern]

have you also considered the fact that some people may be at the cap for servers and may not have the ABILITY to join said server to find the link

[worn fern]

ok son that sounds good

[final salmon]

yk whats crazy

they posted it in their discord server

[raven mica]

-# I'm pretty sure I'm older than you tho

[final salmon]

same situation

[worn fern]

irrelevant to me and u have no idea how old I am

I call people son becuase it’s funny not because I mean it in a literal sense

[raven mica]

Gotcha

[raven mica]

Brother, drop it. We already agreed to disagree

[modern coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1247499379976175656/1495348408695914656/togif_5.gif

[final salmon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1237548897476280471/1487465527151689939/SgMO6Cc.gif

[modern coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-oh-gif-11986157802968305018

[worn fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/360596917715206165/1491085838652801134/image0.gif

[final salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/inefablejuly-dog-with-a-helicopter-station-on-his-head-gif-17516681023200271418

[worn fern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1373450368259719168/1461258914346832041/caption.gif

[final salmon]

mission 13 with this is lowkey fire tho

[worn fern]

I can’t even play yet 💔

not home until Friday

[final salmon]

as soon as i got off work i hopped on for it

• QOL fixed random AI liveries

absolute peak

[worn fern]

I’ve been working on a pc upgrade so I can transfer my old parts into a new case and bring it to campus

[final salmon]

ive been using gaming laptops

[worn fern]

but as of rn every time an update comes out for a game or a new mod drops

I gotta sit here

[worn fern]

I have a Mac for school so my gaming options are very limited

[final salmon]

🥀

[worn fern]

I can play like

wargame, cold waters, pz, and Roblox

that’s about it

[raven mica]

One thing that kinda nerfs the plane as a long range gunship - Vehicle Depot hitboxes, you can't really hit them with railguns

[worn fern]

has aryx clarified if this will get a boom of some sort when AAR eventually comes in like 8000 years

would be a cool mission set

I imagine it’s impossible rn of course

[final salmon]

one problem is that its a heavy vehicle so it can only spawn in medium hangars

which lowkenuienly sucks when i try this in altercation

[raven mica]

She's a big girl, ye

[dapper anchor]

I always edit vanilla missions to my liking when playing solo tbh

Mostly just adding some AA on both sides or enabling locked aircraft

[final salmon]

🥱

cant wait for boscali coast guard skin on this

[worn fern]

starlifter vibes from this plane

🙏

[low valley]

this

I wanna do the “formal” launch here once the teething issues found from the test are done and solved

[vital laurel]

how did you actually get the chimera to this point already????

are you sleeping 😭

i swear you just started it

[final salmon]

best looking vanilla+ vehicle yet

beauty

[low valley]

I consider this to be horrendously unfinished

if I was being more realistic with my original deadline I would've given it another week to get QA in

[final salmon]

AI cant takeoff with it 😭

[low valley]

Yeah the AI are silly with it

[vital laurel]

i mean I wouldve figured like several months for an entirely new aircraft 😭

ig you just built different

i do find it funny how close the all seeing eye is from getting scraped off when exiting the hangar lolll

[low valley]

deadass the biggest design constraint for this plane was the medium hangar

it's why it has such an odd design

if the large hangar was ingame already I could've had a larger wing (more lift) with normal engine arrangements

[final salmon]

fire design wdym

this mod already everywhere

MFSX players already gaming with this shit

[low valley]

type shi

[sharp cape]

shi

[vital laurel]

apparently its coming with the cargo plane but thats like not gonna drop till the end of the year so mega rip

[low valley]

it'll be a lot more stable once I get the full formal release ready, I wanted to get it out so people could A) find bugs and B) enjoy the plane™

[vital laurel]

centimeters from ending your career every time you take off 🤣

[raven mica]

If they do manage - they really like to faceplant into the nearest mountain they find

[final salmon]

natural selection

intended feature

if the AI cannot ball with the aircraft, the AI pilot does NOT deserve the aircraft

lowkey ts fun asf to fly with too

[sharp cape]

I say we give it a disposable solid rocket booster for initial takeoff.

[final salmon]

i say we make this cursor capable

👹

matter of fact

[sharp cape]

Yeah it should have inwardly folding wings.

[final salmon]

lemme try to land this on a cursor

[raven mica]

Make it be able to spawn on the helipad it deploys

[sharp cape]

In fact just put it in an IKEA flatpack.

It'll self-assemble [eventually].

[final salmon]

[sharp cape]

Afaik it needs a pretty long runway so.

Maybe it could use a slingshot.

[final salmon]

doubt it

one sec

[sharp cape]

Okay maybe two slingshots.

[final salmon]

LMAO NO

HAHSDHASDG

IT TAKESOFF

[low valley]

main things:

- Cargo ramp does not close
- Particles on the 30mm and 57mm are wacky
- A bit too much speed [SOLVED AS OF EA 1.0.0.1]
- No wingtip vortices atm
- No landing gear lights atm
- Rear gun can clip your own left wing [SOLVED AS OF EA 1.0.0.1]
- Flight Stick doesn't rotate from its base
- Throttle zeroed at the halfway mark
- FRCV-105 can survive being dropped at mach jesus [SOLVED AS OF EA 1.0.0.1]
- RAM-45 SAM Turret dies instantly if paradropped due to insufficient chutes [SOLVED AS OF EA 1.0.0.1]
- Thrust is excessive [SOLVED AS OF EA 1.0.0.1]
- RWR doesn't work until close range

[low valley]

STOL cargo plane

look inside

STOL

[final salmon]

does that mean

its easy to land

[low valley]

it has forgiving stall characteristics

Slowest landing I've done was at like 200kmh

[final salmon]

lemme beat that

nvm

[dapper anchor]

RAM-45 turret gonna have an inbuilt radar or is it gonna be like qol where you'll need a separate radar?

[low valley]

the qol one is also from vanilla

we use the same one

it requires an external radar yeah

[dapper anchor]

ah, never seen the vanilla ram45 turret tbh but yeah fair enough

[low valley]

There will be some additional payloads for the Chimera dropping later as well, including an air-deployable helipad and an MMR-S3 launcher

[low valley]

hidden in the files more or less

[dapper anchor]

that explains it

[low valley]

the supersonic chimera thing should be fixed in the early access build in the shipyard, changed how the engines work

main thing is you only get the full 152kN thrust per engine at sea level and at low speed

once you pick up speed it drops off

calling it some garbage like "adaptive takeoff throttle" or some shit

[sharp cape]

Hits blunt,
air-launched Stratolances (so, er, Aerolances) when.

[dapper anchor]

qol R6:

speaking of which also I noticed that when playing with qol, F-16s 20mm gets turned into a 25mm

[sharp cape]

That's intentional, from what I've read before.

[dapper anchor]

ah I thought a qol file overwrites something by accident replacing the gun

[low valley]

qol replaces the 20mm 500rd version with a 25

so both the vortex and viper get it

[dapper anchor]

I guess not mine then

"every qol copy is personalized"

[low valley]

true!

I forgor which other plane in vanilla gets the 20mm 500rd

[dapper anchor]

Revoker and Vortex

none of which have the 25mm, yet F-16 has it

oh well I guess BDF wanted to spice up their arsenal a little bit

[low valley]

wacky

[final salmon]

at least they fixed randomized liveries lowkey

[small pike]

coast guard ibis <3

[chrome marsh]

Why isn't the MC260 moving? What should I do?

[low valley]

do you have any other mods installed?

It's incompatible with NOTT

[chrome marsh]

Yes, the MIG 15 and F16 work great.

Is there a special engine start button for the MC260?

[sweet stream]

No

[chrome marsh]

Then why do I give it full throttle and the plane still stands still?

[sharp cape]

Rank 1 fighter jet getting radar yet SARHs would be really freaking funny honestly...

[chrome marsh]

I understand that some error occurred because of which the ms260 does not move. I have already tried everything.

[low valley]

what does your bepinex console say?

[bitter pilot]

Impractical but satisfying.

[low valley]

@graceful trail it's in the base post here

[low valley]

HELL YEAH

[graceful trail]

wait wait wait hold up a second

hold the phone

THIS THING HAS A RAILGUN????

[bitter pilot]

two actually

[graceful trail]

TWO RAILGUNS!??!

[bitter pilot]

though it mostly just makes you spend twice as much ammo to kill the same amount of things.

[graceful trail]

I don't give a shit I need this like yesterday

so this thing

[bitter pilot]

But since its a bit inaccurate it can increase your chance to hit stuff that's outside of normal accurate range (10km)

[graceful trail]

is a cargo plane/AWACS/railgunship

[bitter pilot]

It can also carry some bombs or AGMs

[low valley]

it's a heavy multirole

it can be a gunship, a cargo plane, an AWACS or a bomber

[graceful trail]

oh so basically just like the C-130

nice

the tarantula is cool and all but

I want a conventional cargo plane and boy this is it

[low valley]

it's also STOL

the blown-wing design and high thrust gives it exceptional takeoff performance

[graceful trail]

hell yeah

[bitter pilot]

This is definitely less agile than the tarantula, But the survivability feels significantly higher than the Tara just due to the jammers and speed

[graceful trail]

honestly I don't really mind

[bitter pilot]

(well, agility in roll and yaw, it vastly outperforms the tara in pitch authority)

[low valley]

Yeah it's good at pitching because of the absolutely gigantic elevators

her roll auth SUCKS tho

[graceful trail]

again the tarantula is nice with its VTOL capability but I've just had an itch for again a conventional transport plane

and well

[low valley]

We'll be getting one in vanilla later this year too

[graceful trail]

nutty

but this one looks cool as hell

[bitter pilot]

Yeah and since its yaw only due to split ailerons you can't do any funky stomping on rudder to help it roll either.

[low valley]

Logistics players eating good this year because there's the vanilla cargo jet incoming my Chimera, my V-51 tiltrotor and probably the P2082 team's helicopter

[bitter pilot]

So definitely gotta plan ahead on rolls

[graceful trail]

gonna have to set the HOTAS and head tracker up again

imma lowkey just fly cargo ops

[low valley]

tbh I might add some yaw auth to the elevators

[graceful trail]

actually

[low valley]

improve surviability and whatnot

[graceful trail]

would the railgun be any good against ships

[low valley]

it's very good against ships

[graceful trail]

terminal control gonna be so ez

[bitter pilot]

yeah in a 1v1 you absolutely obliterate ships since you can jam them nicely and stay out of IR missile ranges.

1vX with long range SAMs eeeeh you're still good vs ships but you're not as free

[graceful trail]

gonna have to do a BDF spooky livery for this thing

do you have a proper layered texture template available?

[low valley]

Javi made one in #livery-creation-and-discussion

[graceful trail]

I'm sick of hacking shit together from the textures mitch gives us

[low valley]

she'll probably make a decal layer like her other stuff later

[bitter pilot]

yeah in terms of the flight model. A little bit more yaw authority at slower speeds especially would be quite nice.

like sub 500 km/h

[graceful trail]

like come on mitch the friggin substance painter to photoshop button is RIGHT THERE just give us a psd and I'm sure it can be converted to xcf for gimp users like PLEASE FOR GOD SAKES

[sly bolt]

You modders need to quit making such cool shit cause Mitch might avoid the design now

[low valley]

mitch hire me

I am a fast worker and can be trusted around what is basically my dream game to work on

[graceful trail]

Mitchell Sahl please hire this man

https://tenor.com/view/praying-gif-3348052254980566268

[low valley]

I'm a unity generalist, can do a little bit of everything, main skill is the 3d and art side of things but I program robots for a living so I'm not half bad at that either

[graceful trail]

I was educated as a 3d generalist but I heavily favour texturing

[obsidian birch]

i just do code things

[graceful trail]

my substance painter skills far outmatch any other software I use

[graceful trail]

yeah I know

[obsidian birch]

i am #1 code monkey

if you expect me to model and texture, you get tonk.mdl

[graceful trail]

tonk.jpg

but yeah my methodology of making a template has more or less consisted of me doing absolute black magic with the textures that are shoved into the blend file

[gray jewel]

is chimera ready to install?

[graceful trail]

and then also doing some patch tool shit in photoshop

[obsidian birch]

anyways, i love cargo aircraft

[graceful trail]

my templates are extremely cursed but

they work

or at least

the shit that goes into making them work

is cursed

and is really only possible thanks to the level of just straight up esoteric knowledge of substance painter I possess

[raven mica]

Btw, @low valley , have you tried to make the railguns alternating, or no luck so far?

[low valley]

No luck so far sadly

[raven mica]

Ah, damn it :c

Although, honestly, the biggest issue with the railguns for me is that it likes to bounce shots in a 2m area around the target, but has trouble actually hitting things

The 57mm does it too, bit hard to hit smaller ground units

[dapper anchor]

I think that would require
-both railguns being one turret
-halving reload for them
-have the animation and firing position alternate between the two barrels
-this creates illusion of two alternating railguns
OR
-just figuring out how to do staggered fire

[bitter pilot]

I think this is fair though. Like I still managed to kill radar MSV's at 19km with them.

[raven mica]

The illusion way - that will probably mess with the loadouts quite a bit, and overall modularity of the plane (like, if one railgun gets hit and destroyed, SOMEHOW, then idk what will happen with the other one)

But yeah, staggered fire would be great, but it seems like it's not in any of the default game/blueprinter functions

[bitter pilot]

Took like 4 volleys before one of them hit, but it can definitely hit

And wiht the projectiles being un-interceptable I think that level of inaccuracy is kinda needed for them to be balanced.

[dapper anchor]

I've only seen it done on BOTE with how the 130mm gun on Dynamo has two barrels and they alternate with each shot

the animation, that is

[raven mica]

Yeah, a bit of RNG is involved, but one person here mentioned really liking the plane for mission 13 - I've seen them miss a good few times in a row just bouncing near the tank I was trying to hit, and I was at around 7-8 km

[bitter pilot]

I do want to use them more (literally only done half an escalation mission solo with them so far) to get a bit mroe experience with them before saying anything for sure.

[low valley]

turrets are tied to parts so if one is detached it can’t fire

[bitter pilot]

But with how they're unguided and ground units are honestly hauling ass along roads. try to aim when they're on a straight patch of road

[low valley]

The current kill range record with the railguns is @scenic bramble who took out a factory from 108km

[bitter pilot]

if they're on a curved road even if the aim is accurate, they'll "dodge" before the shot lands.

[low valley]

for taking out tanks i personally prefer the 57

[raven mica]

They're VERY good against buildings tho, except vehicle depots but that's wonky hitboxes of the depots themselves at fault

[low valley]

the rate of fire makes up for it

[pulsar harbor]

Shelling naval targets from well outside of their normal ranges (Unless its a damn Argus and its NL99s) is very fun

Also I need to see if the 30mm turret option can do PDC work if your quick enough with targeting...

[raven mica]

These things are pretty bouncy too :v

For now I think the Chimera is most effective against larger targets

For naval targets I also noticed, although it may have been to the way that shard was maneuvering yesterday, it really likes to target the ass of the ship?

[pulsar harbor]

It aims COM, which is about amid ships asl

[bitter pilot]

I hit kinda everywhere on shards so far. Feels like its just dispersion

Having intrusive thoughts about how close you'd have to be to manually target the bridge section.

Kinda worked to top-down attack it but also I died. 😌

Safer to just plonk it from 15km

[leaden badger]

i could not make it work, made me sad Xd

dont know how to set the mod up

[raven mica]

Have you ever used other mods? Do you have BepinEx installed?

[leaden badger]

yes i do, but i have only used nomm

[raven mica]

Ah. There's a way to install it with Nomm, somehow, but I always installed manually, idk

For this mod you need Blueprinter as well, though

[leaden badger]

yea i might have fixt it

yes i did

[bitter pilot]

Oh it would also be really nice if the Chimeras gear had a bit more drag

[low valley]

good call

[bitter pilot]

With how disruptive the airbrakes can be to flight controls on final approach, especially with any damage.

yeah actaully, make it a lot more lmao. Sitting here with flaps, 1% power, lightly loaded, gear down, on glideslope, and it's really not slowing down unless I put in the airbrake xD

[low valley]

roger that

[rigid hull]

Huh, and here I was calling my wing shooting a skill issue :3

[bitter pilot]

Its very hard to not do it xD

[rigid hull]

Once I get back from work I should grab that version & force the people that still tolerate me to fly it in a group

Tbf I only did it once & still had enough wing to fly.

And then I lost the rest of the wing to an spaag & lacked the roll authority to land 👀

[bitter pilot]

yeah, though you definitely notice that missiing control surface

[rigid hull]

Missing control surface, naaah.
Rocket conversion.

[low valley]

shrodinger's survivability

chimera can survive a lot of damage

but she also falls apart like lego

[rigid hull]

To be fair if someone made a plane more survivable than the brawler I think I'd actually produce enough dopamine to be happy longer than 20 minutes

[rigid hull]

She can do a lot of things kinda well & a few things other aircraft can't while being unique in many ways sooooo....

Permanent addition to everything I do from now~

[low valley]

that's pretty much her purpose

heavy multirole

[rigid hull]

Oh I need to add factories for her to a map & watch the AI flail around :3

Chimera-only AIvAI time :3

Is what I'd say if I didn't have to track down every factory 1 by 1, the main driving force stopping me from making levels

I also adore that the Chimera is somehow both one of the most well defended aircraft by far under the medusa, yet horrifyingly vulnerable to the extent that a cricket in the wrong place is terrifying :3

[dapper anchor]

It is capable of easily defending itself

until it isn't

[bitter pilot]

its veryyy reliant not not being hit or only taking hits to the fuselage instead of the wing

But it is quite good at not getting hit for how massive it is

[rigid hull]

I'm like 90% sure all aircraft rely on not being hit.

Until someone makes a reliable forcefield projector mod

[bitter pilot]

oh for sure. NO aircraft in general are very resilient

[low valley]

you can use the 30mm as a last-ditch effort CIWS lmao

it's funny asl

[rigid hull]

Several SAM sites? All good.

1 angry compass with a gun? Rip :3

[rigid hull]

New plan, going to my mig only level and seeing how many I can take in a dogfight.

Once I'm home ;-;

[bitter pilot]

lmao, sounds great. Is it in #1130830373937492050 ? or only private

[rigid hull]

Private, far from polished, it's just a horrifyingly edited escalation.

[bitter pilot]

ah k

[rigid hull]

I mean I could give it a once-over & add it to the workshop, and watch all the people that don't read the description cry.

My only uploaded workshop item, escalation except the AI are in a constant state of suffering & the game balance was eaten, lmao.

[granite vessel]

Is it meant to be able to hit super sonic? (barely)? just feels like those engines wouldnt really appreciate supersonic airstreams very much.

[delicate moon]

i just tested it and saw that

also managed to take down a carrier with the railguns, though the accuracy is a bit sketchy

[granite vessel]

i did get overspeed warnings very shortly after, but hoenstly does that mean anything? have yet to see any kind of damage from overspeed in the game.

i found it extremly accurate... but too much so just kept slamming the center deck and bridge, leeaving the radar intact etc.

far more effective against hte shard

[delicate moon]

i saw it and went too low, hitting the water on the front

though the rest went to the center

also is it me or this thing reduced the radar missile detection ???

i got alarms of RAMs at less than five kilometers

like that could be a death sentence if you are dealing with anything more than a single boltstrike

though i don't know if it is a bug but the jammers didn't deplete the capacitor or if the thing produces so much energy that it can run them non stop

also didn't jam at some angles

[frail topaz]

The engines just produce that much power

[delicate moon]

i thought so with four of those engines just making sure

i should test those railguns more

[uncut fractal]

Not sure why but my forward turret tries to remove itself from the fuselage as soon as the Weapon Lock is dropped...

[solemn comet]

ive had it happen a few times with darkreach where the leading edge of a wing will pop off

sometimes if you pull up hard an elevator will snap

but usually there’s 0 damage

[upbeat drift]

the Chimera's thrust-to-weight is huge for what it is
feels like flying an oversized Compass

...my own 57mm just shot off my wingtip

now i can't yaw left

[verbal frigate]

i love the chimera thank you so much aryx

[upbeat drift]

what if
split elevons

wow, without anything in the cargo bays this thing can pull 8 Gs

WHAT IS THIS CLIMB RATE.

THIS IS ON THE SAME LEVEL AS THE IFRIT.

given enough altitude this thing just casually flies at Mach 1.4

[delicate moon]

Well I don't know if ifrit level but it is insane for a cargo aircraft

Though I guess it fits for the futuristic setting

[low valley]

It's being balanced a bit more atm

the early access build is especially cracked

[delicate moon]

Is there any way to modify the power curves in the game ???, so it retains all the power till transonic speeds

Though I guess it may be too much cause I believe I took off in full load with less than half the runway

[vestal rover]

How does one access the early builds ? I’d be very interested to test mods and do some feedback QA before their release

[fallen matrix]

we were doing this last night and hitting stuff at like 100km with the railgun 😂

[sweet stream]

Aryx’s server

Which I think is in the main post

[vestal rover]

Thanks ! Haven’t noticed

[uncut fractal]

I'm keeping the 1.0 Version just to have the insane cargo hauler on hand for fun!

[low valley]

that's what I'm doing rn

[low valley]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1496884757961904312

[scenic bramble]

(now 117km)

[delicate moon]

Talk about air artillery

Was it with line of sight or a parabolic shot behind something

[rigid hull]

Yay :3

[low valley]

oh my god

[rigid hull]

First try.

Well...First try after I rememberd to get the carrier to move first.

Not really sure how, with people watching, I forgot the carrier should probably be moving to help the first 2 times

[digital valley]

https://youtu.be/citM2QpMpTE

[finite ibex]

i up this btw

[still compass]

Man I freaking love it!the MC-260 is such good mod it looks and feels like vanilla plane!

the double railgun for airsupport is so fun!

[granite vessel]

be mindful that the railguns have no limits to traversal, blown my wing off a few times.

[sweet stream]

Has on the updated version

[still compass]

DUDEEE IT BREAKS BY PARTS

HOLLYYYYYY

THIS IS SO FIRE

[still compass]

f16 and mc260 now my favorite nuclear option planes fr

loveleh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463982612644364547/1469736041853485281/orange.gif

[uncut fractal]

Still finding the front turret on the Chimera likes to vibrate until it rips itself free of the fusalage. Is this a mod stack issue, or something with the Chimera mod itself?

[final salmon]

That's an intense feature. If the gunner can't control their weapon, they cannot have the weapon.

[uncut fractal]

I mean...I keep flying every time it happens...and I have definitely taken off with a railgun in the front turret slot explicitly to see if it'd hit anyone on the ground... It is entertaining, but I also want to shell stuff from 12km out with two 127mm Railguns!

Also, the massive RCS (12.0+) is really fun since you're dodging missiles constantly. It really sharpens your flying skills.

[still compass]

how

[uncut fractal]

How does it happen in a physical sense? The turret immediately starts violently vibrating in its mount the moment the weapon lock drops, and eventually its...gone, and I have a big whole in the forward part of the body of the jet. On a technical level, I have no idea, but it might be a problem with the mod itself, or it might just arise from all the other mods I run alongside it. Strange things like that do happen from time to time.

[tame nebula]

Need video tbh

[uncut fractal]

That's fair, I'll see what I can do tomorrow. Thanks.

[final salmon]

I meant to say that this is an intended feature of natural selection.

[final salmon]

I haven't experienced this because I usually run the rotary cannon or railgun in my front slot.

While*

Yeah I'm about to kill this autocorrect bro.

[uncut fractal]

It does feel that way. Not sure if the co-pilot mod also adds turret gunners, but if so, they're also gone...so I imagine they're that committed to controlling his weapon

[prisma iron]

Heads up fellas there is a dedicated thread for the Chimera up now

[junior trail]

PLEASEEEEEE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MAKE THE F16 LESS SHAKY😭

[kindred holly]

wobbly f-16

[jade cargo]

Someone posted this trickshot on Reddit

[limpid cairn]

FRCV-106 was destroyed

[low valley]

imagine being the crew of that FRCV-105 lmao

[high haven]

i suspect i don't know how to fly this thing

[vale yoke]

Its the jiggy jig plane.

[high haven]

oh hey this is the king viper page 💀

[jade cargo]

F-16 still jiggle?

[vale yoke]

I'd have to play in it again to see.

[jade cargo]

I thought it was fixed

[vale yoke]

Someone said it was still jiggling earlier so i said the jiggy lol

[junior trail]

Yes

[low valley]

it does?

[buoyant meadow]

The f-16 is shy

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[junior trail]

Yes….alot

[low valley]

which version you on

[junior trail]

The 0.34

.33*

[low valley]

of the plane

[junior trail]

Yes

[bitter pilot]

Jiggly how? like it feels really stable on my install

There's like a slight pitch oscillation when >mach 1.3 at sea level

but not at medium or high alt

[silk pike]

mig-29 when?

[cobalt bronze]

never

[silk pike]

damn

😔

[ashen ibex]

Maybe he is talking about the yaw jiggle while landed, not sure though.
I'm on Version 1.09 this is the case for me.

[vale yoke]

I see the problem

The tail ultra wiggles at mach 1.5 , although it just fixed itself now I talked about it

Also this is a interesting plane Aryx, thank you.

[cyan sun]

co-pilot mod?

[bleak iris]

is there ANY way to make this work with multiplayer? me and a friend have all the same mods, i host and he cant find the lobby

[low valley]

exact same mods are required, compare bepinex/plugins folders and mod versions.

[rose junco]

You need to make sure it's the same versions, at least for blueprinter mods

Most of the clientside mods are not the issue

Most of the time

[final salmon]

lowkey slightly wish there was a plane with a tailgunner

[rose junco]

Bomber pilots in question

[cobalt bronze]

would be peak

[junior trail]

Guys i think we missed 9 world wars

[rigid hull]

I believe this says enough :3

Oop gotta link the guy over~

Someone asked something in the Chimera chat and I remembered it was answered here :3

[oblique ore]

Sorry guys, I'm a bit late to the party here. Couple questions about this mod. One, why no IRST ball sensor (or something like the F-35's EOTS)? Also what kind of engine does it have? Was there any attempt to model it like it has an actual Viper engine (say GE-129 or GE-132), or are we just assuming it has a fictional near-future engine like everything else in NO? Either way, great mod, wish it was official tbh. Could totally be the lightweight fighter for one faction and let the other side have the Revoker!

[low valley]

She does have an EOTS, look under the lerx and on top of the nose.

Engine is an upgraded F120

[frank monolith]

obviously we need additional FLIRs and NV sights on the wing roots

[low valley]

[low valley]

engine amidst the structural elements

[oblique ore]

Ah, didn't immediately see that, it's pretty small. Future tech miniaturization at its finest!

[frank monolith]

secretly preggo with more avionics

[low valley]

yep, originally had the EOTS in the bump then decided to put em ifrit style on the sides, filled the bump with avionics blocks instead

[oblique ore]

As in the adaptive cycle engine from the ATF (F-22/F-23 program)?

Cool

[low valley]

which is why she doesn't need the avionics spine

[frank monolith]

on the bump seems catastrophic to the DSI's well being

[low valley]

They were slim

like the glass was flush with the surface

[oblique ore]

That's how it gets rid of the boundary layer air don't you know

[frank monolith]

sure.

definitely

[low valley]

then I realised that was a terrible idea for maintainers and went for two arrays side by side instead

[frank monolith]

sample size for DSIs are kinda low so

[low valley]

aye

[dark dirge]

do ai use the aircraft?

[queen flicker]

if you place factories in missions for them, they do

[dark dirge]

noted, thank u

[cobalt bronze]

so true Atali 42

[dense cosmos]

Why does this keep happening smh

[vivid oracle]

i js downloaded the mod and i think i did i right but i cant spawn it in i can every other aircraft except the f16?

[vagrant charm]

new patch that released 10 seconds ago somehow managed to break alot of mods

just wait 5-8 hrs till aryx locks in and releases the new patch

[vivid oracle]

ohhhh i gotchu

[low valley]

blessed be the nikkorap (should be fixed shortly, he's pushed some stuff to blueprinter for it)

[heady vine]

was just wondering what was going on with why I coulden't spawn any aircraft

[cobalt bronze]

Get the new blueprinter version

[heady vine]

yeah I saw, i'm still waiting for it to be uploaded to NOMM

ah speak of the devil, there it is

[oblique ore]

I'm a little surprised this doesn't have CFTs like the F-16E/F/I/V do

Would add to the ultra modernized aesthetic you get with the DSI

Just my opinion though

[misty nexus]

are the mods fixed now?

[queen flicker]

external fuel tanks aren't in the game yet

no mechanics for that

[void bison]

Hey Aryx probably not the best place to ask, but heard you are making an F-22 mod, dunno how much progress you have done on the modeling, but I have a model to offer

Made it for the VTOL VR F-22 Mod, figured y'all might get some use out of it

510k tris
250k cockpit + 260k exterior/ weapons
Can easily cut it down cuz the cockpit is overly detailed for VR reasons

[oblique ore]

Meant having them permanently attached

[worn fern]

vtol raptor being offered

legendary pull

[low valley]

Plan is to more or less make a nuclear-optionised F-22 with a few design changes that'd suit an export model (twoseater amongst other things)

[brisk cape]

boris shows up yet again (hello)

[oblique ore]

Cool! F-22B or will it get some other name

[low valley]

F-22E currently

[spiral latch]

2 seater jets make the ol brain happy

[stable river]

why is my mod not working? when i put the f16 into plugins and reload the game nothing happens

[bitter pilot]

latest NO hotfix needs latest blueprinter version

[stable river]

how do i install the blueprinter? do i js move it into the NO folder?

[queen flicker]

same way you install f-16

drag blueprinter file into plugins folder

[void bison]

Aight sounds good
If you want any help modeling (probs not Chimera looks phenomenal), or want to save some time and reuse F-22 components, I will happily offer those up
I got stealth drop tank and IRST pods done up, and lots of stencils made ready for Substance workflow already

[vivid oracle]

what blueprint mod do i need for it to work because i have it installed but i just can spawn/ get the f16

[queen flicker]

do you have the right version?

[vivid oracle]

uhh i think i mean got the mod yesterday so i tink?

[silver kettle]

Am I tweaking or is it every so often when I take off with a moderately heavy load, the F-16 likes to wobble up and down aggressively (pitch up and down) if I were to pull like maybe 60-70° during said ascend which has on several occasions, nosed me into the ground before I could get enough altitude

[delicate moon]

so far the f 16 has done well with me

maybe a bit unstable but not too much

[silver kettle]

but yes overall it tight.

loge me falcon

Love*

[delicate moon]

when i think of unstability i think of the kestrel

that thing doesn't wanna go straight goddamn

[low valley]

hehe

[silver kettle]

o h

So thats what that was

Lmfao

“Viper Of Agreement”

[low valley]

the funnier name for "annoying as hell uncommanded pitch oscillation"

[silver kettle]

So thats what was causing the funny aggressive nodding

[low valley]

was a combination of a few things working together to be annoying

[silver kettle]

True,

I wasn’t even paying attention and I think thats what happened to some F-16 AI that tried to takeoff from Sandrift

then I promptly joined them.

Prompting this incident

[low valley]

• left wingtip was tensored to the fuselage rather than the wing root, causing the left wingtip to flex more than the right one (induced rightwards roll when you pitch up)
• asymmetric pylon mass distribution at heavy warload causing a constant leftwards roll
• badly tuned FBW

[low valley]

6th gen fighter cosplay

[silver kettle]

My beloved Viper yearns to be a 6th gen

Didn’t realise AB didn’t have sound, my chudass after 10 hours of Uber everyday be making me tweak

Again, I cannot thank you enough Aryx. The F-16 of all the jets added to N.O, a jet that I grew up with (thanks to Ace Combat-6) being in my favourite funny jet game is nothing short of wonders and magic

[low valley]

:D

[silver kettle]

[low valley]

new damage material is also way nicer than the old one

[silver kettle]

Oooh..

[delicate moon]

That's just normal f 16 weathering

[vale yoke]

Bubblepit.

[heady vine]

because they're ugly

viper don't need no tumors on 'em
viper needs to be SLEEK.

[worn fern]

finally someone who knows ball

[heady vine]

I know an F-16 crew chief and he despises any and all vipers with CFTs

[worn fern]

i like to think that vipers with cfts are just vipers that are poorly treated by their crew chiefs and they get fat because of it

[low valley]

yes

[worn fern]

similar to feeding a dog too many treats

[rose junco]

hey aryx, your server links don't work

[tight girder]

This is performing as a frontline light fighter, the whole reason CFTs exist is to expand capability beyond that without all of the tradeoffs of carrying bags (drag and pylon count)

[bitter pilot]

in this fictional model it also got massively upgraded supercruise performance

Even with a draggy loadout it goes quite far on dry thrust

[pseudo jewel]

can someone teeach me how to install mods pls

[bitter pilot]

#1457932420882894901 message the old guide still works

[pseudo jewel]

ik i need someone to call and teach me

i dont like reading guides i cant understand them

i am just bad at it

[bitter pilot]

#1457932420882894901 message

also this one

[pseudo jewel]

...

[bitter pilot]

I don't have that much attention to give right now. looking at youtube you can try https://youtu.be/OVFHZCXEnc4?si=MiJkY8UC9g0fIap7 that one maybe? I haven't watched it but it was the first result when searching for it

[inner jackal]

So, is there a way to get the ai to use the aircraft, instead of just the vanilla ones?

[brisk cape]

if you modify the mission (or get one) that has factories and/or reserves of the modded aircraft they will spawn with them normally

[inner jackal]

gotcha

wish there was an easy way to mod workshop missions

[brisk cape]

yeah kind of a pain to find where they are and put them into the editor

[merry sapphire]

All mod planes are now gray and unusable on free flight?

@low valley any idea??

Not available at any airbases for some reason

[bitter pilot]

update blueprinter

[merry sapphire]

Lov u

[robust frigate]

the engine is stupid powerful

still accelerating at 0% throttle (clean w/~40% fuel)

[sweet stream]

Wind

[bitter pilot]

While the acceleration may be a bit exaggreated it is true that IRL the viper will accelerate on level tarmac with the engine idling

if you don't put on the parking brake or apply manual braking it'll do its best to start rolling away

[low valley]

tfw an idling JET ENGINE produces thrust

🤯

[bitter pilot]

not all aircraft start moving at idle thrust. Definitely some interaction between airframe weight, static friction of its wheel setup, and just how low the jet engines can idle.

But F-16s do start moving

[inner jackal]

That's what happens when you have what is essentially a very small airframe with a big ass engine strapped to it lol

I mean the F-15 has two of those

[delicate moon]

Suddenly I want a mirage like aircraft in game

[gusty mist]

not much but some like very little

yet enough to get rear ended on the taxi way by an irm 1

[heady vine]

Oh how I wish there to be an F-15 mod one day

my precious eagle.... I want to fly it in NO....

[civic lark]

There is someone making it!
https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1490816477316780083
It's been a while though since we had any updates

[limber wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/bdf-boscali-boscali-defense-force-scream-if-you-love-scream-if-you-love-bdf-gif-13529709749493055356

[spiral latch]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-hyde-choking-choking-meme-breathing-breathe-gif-24736957

[robust frigate]

big throttle doesn't want you to know that you can go -1% throttle and still move

[amber cedar]

tryna use it in domination the f16 is not available anywhere idk what to do

auuh

[river quarry]

update the blueprinter, it worked for me

[amber cedar]

alr ty

[river quarry]

gotchu

[amber cedar]

works now thank yu very much

[river quarry]

no problem mate

[vague imp]

@low valleylink no worky

[cobalt bronze]

go to the link at the very top

[grave burrow]

Bro how do i install this ?

[bitter pilot]

https://github.com/Aryx3D/Aryx-F-16M scroll down a bit

well, it should all fit in 1 page

[grave burrow]

Thank you I am blind asf

[sweet stream]

https://tenor.com/view/corecto-gif-26208348

[civic lark]

Why is it doing that

Why is it throbbing

[sweet stream]

https://tenor.com/view/неуязвимый-invincibleshow-invincible-wobble-edit-gif-5918803382277430350

[low valley]

https://nuclearoptionmods.miraheze.org/wiki/F-16M_King_Viper

wiki page for it :)

[silver kettle]

:DD

[inner jackal]

man playing with the f-16 in NO made me finally get back into the DCS F-16

like riding a bike i instantly knew how to start it up lol, after a couple years of not playing

[last mural]

Will the F16M later have drop tanks?

[low valley]

Planned down the line

[inner jackal]

Probably after the next map comes out, I hear it's gonna be HUGE

Tho I really hope in the future we get a snow map or have the ability to change the texture map of the current maps.

[last mural]

Nice!

[last mural]

I think the next map is a snow map, like a mountain landlocked based off the few pics I saw reminds me of the andes but more shorter mountains

[inner jackal]

I heard it was supposed to be a desert map

[last mural]

I think its a mix? some parts are like desert and there'll be like high altitude mountain parts w snow kind of like heartlands

[sweet stream]

https://youtu.be/fjQOhivlE_0?si=H-F3BCt36oiLzM1d&t=64

[last mural]

oh shit it is desert yeah

[sweet stream]

both

[lyric trench]

It's gonna be like 2x Ignus right

size wise

[sweet stream]

yes

[inner jackal]

Damn, we need a seasons mod now 😩

[acoustic marsh]

alongside drop tanks, conformal fuel tanks?

[low valley]

CFTs are hideous so unlikely.

[acoustic marsh]

understandable, I was thinking of them as an optional thing

[inner jackal]

Based

Tho, they at least look decent on F-15s

But God damn f-16 CFTs are a travesty

[low valley]

exactly.

[delicate moon]

The CTFs on the f 16 ain't bad

They give some Interesting shapes to the plain upper surface

[acoustic marsh]

I don't think they're the worst but at first they did feel weird and that they broke up the shape of the F-16 too much

so I do get it

[vale yoke]

Is it normal for the AI to just do this?

Seems like I rarely ever see them use this cause of this

[inner jackal]

They turn a smooth surface into a block, ruins the sexy curves in my opinion

Same thing with the F-16 XL

Just looks, wrong...

[delicate moon]

I like them cause they disrupt the upper plains

I instead dislike the f 15 ones cause they only really make the bottom shape of the f 15 bigger

They don't add some interesting gesture to it

But you know these are planes that think of volume and aerodynamics so interesting shape design is not like there all the time

[silver kettle]

F-16 must keep its curves, its a must

[prisma iron]

I kind of like them on the 16 for the uglyness of them. But I have a perculiar fondess for slapdash solutions.

[delicate moon]

I won't lie I like the f 16 with more straight lines and angled shapes

I like the mirage f 1 somewhat for the same reason though that one still has lots of curved plains

[fathom rampart]

they make them fat

[delicate moon]

Yeah quite literally

I'm fat shaming the plane

[silver kettle]

It just gives the F-16 a different vibe with CFT’s

The F-15’s CFT’s hides it

The F-16’s CFT’s are like giant chipmunk cheeks and that ruins the sleek identity of the F-16

[limpid cairn]

Hey don’t diss on my precious experimental F-16XL

That has more range than your “normal” f-16

[spice latch]

boith this and the ternion i have downloaded and can get the to apper in the aircraft selection menu, however they are un avaible to purchase at every airbase, how to i remady this? i had the f16 working previously and now have deleted and re installed this one. please advise

scrolled up, updated the blue printer, thanks to the person who helped the other guy earlier

[inner jackal]

Honestly, if they made the wings a more triangular shape than what we have is probably hate it less. But then it's be closer to a mirage lol

[peak urchin]

Cranked delta wings are love, cranked delta wings are life

[wintry fractal]

peak

[dim inlet]

f16xl would fit perfectly into nuclear option i think

perfect blemd of futureistic and weird

[acoustic marsh]

extra large blasts

[dim inlet]

That f15 with canards would fit aswell lol

[frail topaz]

uhhhh

Ternion.

[dim inlet]

True

[eternal egret]

MiG-35 Fulcrum-X for PALA when?

[sweet stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828043849150365717/1469540701191671818/image.gif

[terse plinth]

I kinda wish for a modernized SU-34 looking jet with less Air to air weapons and more of a focus on ground attack

[tender abyss]

Any ideas why the f-16 gets an autocannon instead of the gau with the qol mod?

[queen flicker]

what

ah

it seems that I understood you

because qol authors decide what aircraft carries

not the other way around

[frank monolith]

I believe QoL confuses the F-16 for the FQ-106

[dusk prism]

RAAAAAAHHHHH

[queen flicker]

wait what lmao

how

[frank monolith]

idk

[dusk prism]

qol is funky like that

it does all kinds of weird shit

its a good mod but it pushes bepinex quite a bit

[tender abyss]

Yeye but I don't know if it's intentional or not, feels wrong having an autocannon f-16 LMAO

[inner jackal]

Yeah I always wondered if it was a "futuristic" choice for the mod. Having a 25mm

[tender abyss]

It's a downgrade in every way

[dusk prism]

wait maybe it is

[tender abyss]

1200 30mm gau vs 520 25mm ac

[dusk prism]

cuz cannons in nuclear option work like flak when the target is an aircraft

[tender abyss]

Ohhh didn't know that

[dusk prism]

thats like one of the futuristic thing the industry does in their little canon

[tender abyss]

Good ole VT fuze