General Mod Talk and Bepinex Install Instructions

[rigid elk]

What probably pisses me off the most is what they are doing with the data centers and eating all the RAM for themselves, and the whole bubble shenanigans that have been giving us the most absolute dogsh-t stuff ever like the incoming "Age Verification" crap for Discord or the supposed home robots that literally do anything but being autonomous.

[manic marten]

ai generated yeti/bigfoot vlogs are peak though

[rigid elk]

Yeah... it´s the kind of thing that genuinely could be very promising if done right, but 90% of people uses it wrong.

[rigid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-13746396505480870613

[rapid pilot]

almost all my school stuff like booking teacher appointments time off or handling homework is all done by ai now

[rigid elk]

Sorry, it´s my duty as a Helldiver XD

[manic marten]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cocking-pistol-john-wick-5

[rigid elk]

Yep, that´s just pathetic

[manic marten]

jk

😄

[rigid elk]

Dude those clankers killed 25 MILLION OF US

IN ONE PLANET

[rapid pilot]

saves the university money so they like it

[manic marten]

it's not the tools that kill but the people who make the decision to get them implemented but this is getting very offtopic and I wouldn't like to be court marshalled by the rest of the moderator team :d

[rapid pilot]

real

[rigid elk]

I really, really hope the supposed "bubble" bursts big time.
The bad part is that I think it will do a "pffffft" and just lose importance instead of a "pop" and have consequences for all of those big corpos doing trash

[halcyon notch]

Also for the mod manager developers out there, feel free to hook into AtomicFramework's loading process through BepInEx/patchers/AtomicModManager.exe if you want to implement the communication API. It's not stable yet but for basic funtions AtomicUtilities.dll in the same folder can help.

[rigid elk]

Oh yeah, fr, back on topic 🙏

[rapid pilot]

i need to add atomic framework fr

[rigid elk]

(It was a very nice chat though, you people are very reasonable and it´s enjoyable to talk to you all LGLove )

Dang it Vencord, when I tell you to insert an emoji is to INSERT it, not to put the blue text 😭 🙏

[rapid pilot]

is there an explanation to how atomic framework works?

[rigid elk]

I myself need to learn what that is in the first place 💀

[rapid pilot]

allows mods on servers i believe

[halcyon notch]

As a user? It does basically nothing other than allow you to disable mods before the game runs (and that is still very WIP)
As a modder? It has a bunch of events to hook into the loading process, networking APIs, and maybe more in the future.

And it automatically negotiates mods when connecting to a server (including disabling when needed.)

[rapid pilot]

hmmmm ok because a lot of people have asked for my mods in multiplayer but never found a safe way to add them

[rigid elk]

So useful for mod making? Interesting... I may have to include it in the guide in the future

[halcyon notch]

Obviously making a mod disable safe is up to the modder but it only tries if the mod declares itself safe.

[wary flint]

Pretty sure 32 bit isn't even supported anymore on modern systems? actually, nvm, I misremembered

[halcyon notch]

#1467160830742106216

[manic marten]

i think win11 no longer has 32bit editions

[halcyon notch]

Last I checked x86 still has Legacy Mode to run 32-bit binaries

Albeit support for such mode is OS dependent

[manic marten]

ya it does

[wary flint]

Unless they're running like, Windows 7, which y'know, has been unsupported for nearly a decade now, and won't even run Steam anymore afaik?

[halcyon notch]

SteamCMD is still 32-bit

IDK about Steam

[rapid pilot]

anybody have any idea how the game handles airframe stress? new engine speed mod blows the wings of when turning

[manic marten]

ofc you can run 32bit apps on a 64bit system

[rapid pilot]

oh and kills the pilot

[manic marten]

just like how you could run 16bit apps on a 32bit system

[halcyon notch]

(and how some enterprises still use 32bit processors for 16bit support)

[manic marten]

one of our offices kept harassing me to give them 32bit windows because their crappy labware is 16bit dos app

eventually they stopped

they got a VM

[halcyon notch]

The local bank in my area has to remote into a terminal mainframe and use command line programs to manage bank accounts

[manic marten]

if you haven't seen the black hat atm hacking demo you should

[wary flint]

Yeah, that's what had me confused for a min. Just woke up 🥲

Also, published the in-dev rework branch of Nuclei, for those interested.

https://github.com/MaxWasUnavailable/Nuclei/tree/feature/dedicated_rework_rebuild

[halcyon notch]

I'm probably going to have to refactor some of the Discovery code to support communicating kick reasons

[wary flint]

Not finished yet, about ~50% feature-complete to where I want it to be. But if anyone has feedback, send it my way.

The current class diagram

Abstractions & Events are standalone / don't depend on anything, so they can be developed against easily.

[halcyon notch]

If the patcher or mod manager is missing, AtomicFramework still works. Unfortunately the rest of the code is entangled (intentionally to force modders to not succumb to anti-patterns) making it all dependent.

[spark gorge]

Do i need the server to have NBB installed for it to save?

I have it installed client side but i see no track files in the folder after 2 games, 1 singleplayer 1 coop

[halcyon notch]

Verify BepInEx is working (should be a log file in BepInEx folder)

[spark gorge]

i installed the plugin wrong, it wasn't very specific whether or not it wanted me to drag the noblackbox as a folder into plugins or the contents of the zip

though now im watching a tutorial, it's even more confusing since they've changed the folder structure

do i still need to install the models for tacview?

Im guessing the tacview wiki one is more up to date than the video?
https://tacview.fandom.com/wiki/User_Guide_-_Nuclear_Option

cuz this was updated like last month

well thats crap, i managed to miss out on a lot of cool stuff, ill try again and see if it works

[halcyon notch]

TacView has since added first-party support for Nuclear Option (on their side) so unless there are models not updated yet you don't need to copy assets. I haven't worked on NBB in quite a while so you would have to ask in #1458011726808088740

[spark gorge]

though if the mod wasnt working, it wouldnt create a valid cfg file for it right?

[halcyon notch]

Depends. I don't know how the mod is structured anymore.

If it was flat out not loaded, no the cfg would not exist.

[spark gorge]

so it did load... ill probably go ask questions in nbb

[manic marten]

that wiki article is old

https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOBlackBox/blob/main/INSTALL.md

[wary flint]

If a cfg is generated, the mod got picked up by BepInEx

[manic marten]

up to 0.3.8.2 the default save path is the game's appdata folder

[spark gorge]

so it didnt matter that its 1 folder deep

[manic marten]

from 0.3.8.3 onwards, the default save path will be bepinex/plugins/noblackbox/replays

[spark gorge]

i checked the locallow already, nothing there

oh

[manic marten]

all files from the release zip MUST go to

plugins/NOBlackBox

if you just toss them in plugins, it won't work

[spark gorge]

yeah it didnt generate a replays folder

[manic marten]

it works on all my computers

including my servers

[spark gorge]

so to be clear i download the zip, i then uncompress the zip so its a normal folder, and i drag it in and it looks like this?

[manic marten]

when i say
plugins/NOBlackBox

that means plugins/NOBlackBox

not plugins/NOBlackBox-0.3.8.2

😇

[spark gorge]

uh

so i create the folder myself?

[manic marten]

you can either do that

or use the mod manager to install it

and it will create it for you

[spark gorge]

i should use the mod manager

[manic marten]

make sure to delete the manually created stuff to prevent bepinex from trying to load the mod twice

[halcyon notch]

On one hand, I wish my mods worked with NOMNOM. On the other hand, I think that ecosystem needs a bit more time to mature.

[spark gorge]

cuz the guide just tells you to drag the contents of the zip to the plugins folder

[manic marten]

#1457932420882894901 message

[spark gorge]

oh

[manic marten]

I don't know who maintains that wiki

but its not me

I didn't even know it existed

[spark gorge]

it was the first thing that showed up sorry haha

[manic marten]

ya I have no control over it and don't particularly like fandom dot com

[spark gorge]

i normally have a plugin that autodirects away from fandom to a different wiki

[halcyon notch]

Time to make a Github wiki 😈

[spark gorge]

do you need to install bepinex manually with NOMM?

[manic marten]

no

it has a button to do it for you

[spark gorge]

would it be a problem if i already had it installed?

[rigid elk]

...no way 💀

Oh not at all lol

I did that myself and it works

You´re supposed to have it, it doesn´t matter "how" you pull it off afaik

[manic marten]

if it is already installed it should detect that it is so and sohw a play button in the bottom left instead

to launch the game

[spark gorge]

awesome, i finally installed it right...

i swear i can install mods for way more complex games and i mess it up with the simplest ones

[shy pebble]

Aye, what I meant here is peeking closed source mods with dnspy 🙏

[wary flint]

I'd argue that's also alright, you just can't use the code. But it can be valuable for compatibility / security / bug resolving reasons

[manic marten]

i mean, we are also all peeking the closed source game at the mercy of the devs

the way I learned how to mod the game was by opening patator's hud mod in dnspy 😊

[frigid tendon]

yeah, similar story here

[chilly bluff]

tell people that if they have more than 2 gb of ram they absolutely have to get x64 bepinex

[frigid tendon]

the game will only run on x64...

[manic marten]

ya we finished this topic, though discord loves to not update to latest messages when computer is hybernating or just idles with locked screen

at least for me, I open the laptop, reply to something only to realize several walls of text were unseen by my client

[frigid tendon]

but yeah, worst case when starting out with modding, just look at how other mods do things

[rigid elk]

I already added it in the guide, lmao

[wary flint]

Not even worst case

Looking at some mods that are well-written is a great way to learn

[shy pebble]

https://github.com/mkualquiera/MKModsNO was my goto when starting lol

his hud notch line code got me FAR

that's a crime tbh, I was suprised not to see it

[swift mason]

Would it be possible to make a mod for the mission editor to add new types of objectives and and outcomes?

[shy pebble]

possible I guess ?

[swift mason]

How would one learn how to mod the game?

[shy pebble]

this /\

github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools
have a look at my code if you want too, lots of open source mods

[frigid tendon]

i wouldn't ever call any code i write "well written" lol

[rigid elk]

Last update for today on the guides! Included the section on how to manually install the mods (a warning to NOT follow the general rules of thumb when instructions are available, and for the sake of everything to READ THE INSTRUCTIONS), so... that´s the last part of this section, I think! Which means the next one will already be the "How to make mods" one which I´m far more eager to get into. 🙂

[rapid pilot]

They will in fact NOT read the instructions

They will instead choose the path of “it doesn’t work” lol

[rigid elk]

Most likely. But now you'll have the superpower of pinning the guides when they are finished and say "go read, dummy" 🤣

Jokes aside, a genuine question that just popped in my mind. If I make a map with mods... does it load WITHOUT the mods?

I assume the ideal thing would be for the modded assets not to appear and that´d be it, but does it crash or do any weird shenanigans?

[rapid pilot]

Do you mean like a mission with qol vehicles tryna load that without qol installed? From my experience they just get deleted

[rigid elk]

And if I just edited the restrictions? Like, imagine I have a mod that adds a new bomb and I restrict a faction from using said bomb and the normal 500 one. When I boot the game in vanilla, it still locks the normal 500 and it doesn´t crash?

[slender ferry]

teardoown

[rigid elk]

Okay, does anybody have any clue what mod this may have come off, and what it does?

'cause I saw a bug with the spawn and whatnot but I´ve heard that´s a current bug from the audio tweaker so just wanted to check if it had to do with this

[slender ferry]

which mods do you have

just search in bepinex menu for "next aicraft"

or something

[rigid elk]

...yeah, I´m quite sure that didn´t come from a specific mod with that name lol

I´ll try to find out by elimination, enabling and disabling mods to see who might be guilty

[frigid tendon]

oh what da hell

that's in the wrong place

how did it end up there

...i think that's in the wrong place

anyways, that's my mod that does that

NOX

it's supposed to be how long until the next aircraft spawns, though it doesn't show correctly until you click a butoon

[rigid elk]

🤷‍♂️

You tell me man, I just see it says "Never" and that I can never spawn on that heliport. But lots of thanks for solving me the hassle of going through all the mods XD

[frigid tendon]

on second look, that's in the right place

[frigid tendon]

what? even when you requisition a heli?

send me logs

[rigid elk]

No matter what, I cannot spawn.

[rigid elk]

On the way! 🫡

[frigid tendon]

bruh how many mods do you have?

anyways, idk, i don't see NOX spitting errors out

[cyan drum]

my god

[rigid elk]

MANY

[frigid tendon]

i would ask you to include harmony debug logs but i will just get jumpscared by all the mods

[frigid tendon]

yeah you're on your own there man

[rigid elk]

I can tell you exactly which ones though

[frigid tendon]

i only play with a handful of mods

also custom aircraft won't have working RWRs or threat ID

[rigid elk]

The main screen changer, the OST changer, the one that changes the sounds in general, the one that adds the copilot voicelines, the 2 QoL mods, the NOX (yours 😄 ) mod, the NOTT mod....

Ah yes, the AI aircraft limiter and the Stealth improver ones are also in

Alongside the Loadout Presets and the one that allows individual pylon customization

Plus the Black Box and the Autopilot

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-sped-up-jarvis-gif-19148596

[tawny blade]

2 qol mods?

you mean like the ones from primeva? or...

[rigid elk]

One is the super well known one, I assume it´s the 2082 one yes

The other is from the video of that guy that came up recently and... well, made a video about it

Might be NOTT all over again tho, it´s late and my brain doesn´t work well at these hours lol

[tawny blade]

that might be it. disable qol and retry

[rigid elk]

Ironically I don´t have the kestrel on XD

[rigid elk]

Nuh uh, not QoL´s fault

I already suspected that because I played with fewer mods before and it worked

I´m gonna check the latest ones I added, hold on

[frigid tendon]

are you in free flight

[rigid elk]

?

Free flight?

Oh no, lol, I was on a version I made of Terminal Control with restricted aircraft

I´m flying an Ibis as PALA in one of the forward helipads

The thing is that "Next Aircraft" thing shows up in all the airports

But I generally can take off them

I´ve seen that in #1465800205021478975 they are reporting a bug that might be this one though, but I just asked if it also happens in Single Player

I managed to still have the "Next Aircraft" thing and take off so it´s not NOX problem either

Okay, confirmed it, it´s the #1465800205021478975 bug, nvm 🙏 😅

[frigid tendon]

it's supposed to

but it'll say "never" if there's no factories

[rigid elk]

Hmm, so it checks when the next airframe is produced?

I thought it went for takeoffs XD

[grave wadi]

That's how I learned as well, by watching how the others did it with dnSpy !

[flat lotus]

Lololololololooooool

The whole 64/32 bit was funny

[waxen owl]

Introvert me learning it by dropping the files to Ai and let it do its job

[shy pebble]

The OG 🙏

[flat lotus]

U guys are learning how to hack games 🤣 the devs don’t have a modding API yet and it’s okay, but just know if you apply this practice to other games u might be VAC’ed on steam this game allows it, just a fare warning. ⚠️ also do not use spy on any Willy nilly game (software developer here) tos of applications grant signaling, using reverse engineering programs can trip a flag to a server that you tried, and then they know exactly who you are and (unlikely) sue you (likely) revoke or report you.

So please use reverse engineering softwares with care and responsibility.

[manic marten]

https://tenor.com/view/snape-obviously-harry-potter-gif-10938318

[ionic charm]

(jk we are good boys and girls here)

[halcyon notch]

Not how that works but nice try

[wary flint]

Perhaps we should pin this as a general pointer for people who ask how to get into modding :P

[wary flint]

Well, this is bogus. You're not going to get VAC banned for modifying a game. You might get VAC banned for using mods in some (usually competitive) multiplayer games, but that's pretty obvious (I hope). As Tykuhn said, not how that works at all 😅

[rigid elk]

Daily guide upload, folks! Now includes how to install VSCode, what extensions to get and how/why to make a GitHub repo for all of it

As always, any issues with it do tell me ASAP so I can correct it, the more I edit on later the worse it gets to change everything 😭

[silk pike]

The game launches at 1080p despite setting the monitor to 4k?

[rigid elk]

Does that happen with vanilla or just with mods?

[silk pike]

Just mods

Let me try disabling everything just to be sure

[rigid elk]

Roger 🫡

[wary flint]

First bit of feedback I'd personally give is honestly recommend Rider instead of Visual Studio Code

[silk pike]

Both

[rigid elk]

Problem is, I did the entire rundown on how to set the environment up with VSCode 😭

BUT

I have a solution to that which might come in handy

[wary flint]

VSC is a general-purpose IDE, while Rider is laser-focused on C#, has a built-in decompiler (which works phenomenally well for modding - especially with navigation & referencing between decompiled dlls and your own code).

[silk pike]

Not needed

[rigid elk]

If you don't mind giving me the (likely) lengthy explanation as to how that would go, I can add a preliminary section telling the reader that they can either choose the VSCode or Rider. So I can add the Rider part after I finish the VSCode one, which saves a lot of space and doesn´t make me edit the whole thing again

[wary flint]

VSC is a good IDE, don't get me wrong. But I'd argue it'd be better to point new users into a direction that's focused specifically on what they want to do (imo).

[silk pike]

Yeah, this game is only running at 1080p

[rigid elk]

Hey, the guide is meant to be as all-purpose on that regard as possible. It really doesn´t matter what my preference of IDE to work with is, I shall (and will) add Rider one way or another into the guide lol

[wary flint]

Also, do we need to split up mod-dev & mod-support chats? 😅 @manic marten (I once again would like to suggest a dedicated channel for # mod-development)

[rigid elk]

I even went as far as convincing a friend to join me in to make mods for NO so we can both learn/refresh our skills at C#, so this is actually great lmao

[silk pike]

There's no reason to show someone Rider if they aren't experienced enough

[rigid elk]

^ This actually sounds like a good idea ngl

[silk pike]

VSCode is much more familiar to the average user, more customizable, lighter

[wary flint]

Rider is pretty straightforward

And comes with a lot of stuff out of the box to support C# development. It's an incredibly simple setup.

[rigid elk]

Rider is widely-used enough in the modding community to be considered a starter pic even if it may have a steeper learning curve. The guide shouldn't decide the platform for you, you should.

So ultimately yeah, I think putting it is the right way to go. But I need to know if my idea to add it is good enough @wary flint

[rigid elk]

This one

[wary flint]

VSCode is a much more generalist IDE, which is fine, but I'd argue you don't want to confuse users with the need to install extensions just to get C# dev up-and-running. (Replying to Lord Trashcan -- I'll respond to you in a sec, Pump!)

[rigid elk]

"Plump" legit killed me 🤣

[wary flint]

(Whoops)

[rigid elk]

Nah no worries, it´s fine, you made me laugh XD

I really needed some giggles after the day I had lol

[silk pike]

I'm aware, but again, VSCode is, on average, easier to use with more tutorials and customizability (if the user so chooses)

Not to mention, again, it's lighter

I don't deny that Rider is better

[wary flint]

Getting Rider set up is basically just installing it tbh. No extensions or other configuration needed. I'd strongly suggest guiding people through setting up GitHub with it (you can log in, and it'll allow you to handle pushing & pulling straight from your IDE)

[silk pike]

At least as a NO modding guide

[wary flint]

If you're capable of playing Nuclear Option, you're not going to struggle to run Rider.

[silk pike]

Lots of players run it badly lol

[rigid elk]

But when I installed VSCode, AFTER I did that I had to run a ton of commands to make it generate the files I wanted and whatnot. Rider just... spawns those out of the blue?

[wary flint]

Hence me saying "capable"

[silk pike]

There were at least two major threads about optimization in the last month or so

[rigid elk]

Because an important part of starting to mod is setting up said files, and I need to know how Rider does that asides of how it installs.

@silk pike I just realised, you have an XB-70 Valkyrie on the pfp? That´s so cool lmao, I love that plane

[wary flint]

Are you referring to a new project? You just use a dialogue:

[rigid elk]

No, or well, not sure... uhh... let me screenshot it rq

[wary flint]

Install it, create new solution, get to coding

[rigid elk]

This thing

Excluding the .git things and the Readme

[manic marten]

they are the same picture

[rigid elk]

The rest came from running command lines

[wary flint]

What commands?

[manic marten]

yeah i think we are at a point where we need more dedicated threads

too hungover today but it will happen tomorrow :3

[rigid elk]

And .csproj and some other files have text in them that is needed to work so I am thinking how Rier does that

[rigid elk]

dotnet add package HarmonyX

[wary flint]

I'd really personally strongly suggest a separate modding category tbh. I think I posted a suggestion a while ago on it, but essentially:

# Modding
- mod-forum (rename to mod-releases?)
- mod-support
- mod-development

[rigid elk]

That was just one of them

There were very lengthy ones too though

[wary flint]

Oh, yeah, the basic project it just sets up using the dialogue

[rigid elk]

Wait WHAT

Rider does ALL OF THAT

Using the freaking dialogue

Are you kidding me 😭 🙏

[wary flint]

Pretty sure VSC does it as well. You may have missed a button / menu?

[rigid elk]

Idk, I limited myself to follow what George found while backtracking his own steps 😅

[wary flint]

If you want to add packages, you can just use the NuGet menu. Though I may just create a GitHub template instead (so people can fork that and have the entire setup in one click)

[rigid elk]

Unless otherwise stated, assume I´m as dumb as a rock in general terms

I am not, but it makes it easier to point what I know than what I don't lol

[rigid elk]

So like making a repository with a base, pre-made project?

And you just download it and you start fiddling with stuff?

[wary flint]

Yeah, just an "empty" project with the .csproj set up for BepInEx & Nuclear Option

[rigid elk]

That´d be very interesting. But you would have to explain me some basic things like changing the name of the project and maybe a couple of other things

[wary flint]

All you'd have to do is change a line to point to your NO directory so it can find the dlls

[rigid elk]

If you are down for it tho, I can slap it in the guide

[wary flint]

GitHub's template system takes care of that, iirc

[rigid elk]

🤝

[wary flint]

I can have a peek tomorrow

[rigid elk]

GitHub has a template system? 😮

How does that even work?

[wary flint]

Got an important meeting at work in the morning and I don't want to make it too late

[rigid elk]

Sure sure, real life takes priority always, no worries

Feel free to reach me out on my DMs whenever you are free so I can try to understand all of this and put it on the guide 🫡

(I´m also busy with tons of exams and whatnot myself while I do this lol)

And thanks a ton again for helping out with the guide, and helping me out as well

LGLove

[wary flint]

https://github.com/MaxWasUnavailable/DiscordPyBotTemplate

Here's an example

It has a "Use this template" button on the top right

[rigid elk]

This?

[wary flint]

Yeah

[rigid elk]

Hmm... very very interesting

[wary flint]

I can set up a template repo for NO mods if we want

Peeps can Create a new repository, and then clone that repository locally to work on it

That means they're also immediately set up on GitHub

[rigid elk]

And what about the extensions? It takes care of those as well? If I was on VSC I mean, Rider aparently fixes that on the spot

[wary flint]

I mean, yeah, your .csproj & other build files just take care of that

And those would pre-exist in the template

I'm pretty sure it'd also work fine with VSC

[rigid elk]

...welp, I mean, it surely makes things easier... but I gotta rework half of what I did today for the guide

💀 🥀

[shy pebble]

that could be pretty sweet !

[scenic cradle]

quick question but what does the 'reserved' thing mean in the mod threads?

[rigid elk]

Wdym? Like, some mod threads where someone says RESERVED as the first comment or so?

I saw one like that not so much ago myself, didn´t know what it was about lol

[scenic cradle]

yeah

fair fair

oh also, for finding the aircraft data (like how many targets it can lase and whatnot) thats all stored in the encyclopedia from what im getting? I was wondering where I could find that to toy with it and play around

[rigid elk]

Yep, as of right now the encyclopedia is the only place that they are consistently listed at. They´ll be featured on the game guide once I get to that one (ETA unknown).
As for where is that... welp, I myself got into the whole modding business a couple days ago properly so I have 0 clue. The fact that it is aircraft-dependant makes me think it could be stored locally per aircraft, but that´s with 0 real proof so don´t listen to what I say LMAO

[scenic cradle]

fair fair, least we both are in the same boat with getting into modding recently

[rigid elk]

Yup! 😅
At least future new modders will hopefully have an easier time with the guide I´m preparing. And hey, it probably will serve us both as well, so that´s a win-win!

(I will have to figure out wtf am I reading on dnSpy at some point lmao)

[scenic cradle]

yeah

[manic marten]

[tawny blade]

Is this force feedback, rumble, or both?

[manic marten]

force feedback

[tawny blade]

I see i see

Coolio

[chilly bluff]

can’t wait to actually feel the chicane’s cannon

[wary flint]

So... does anyone here happen to have experience with Entity Framework, and are you able to get it running with BepInEx/Unity?

I'm hitting some hurdles

Might need to switch to something like Dapper, but I'd really prefer to be able to use EF tbh

[open kettle]

you might actually make me use my sidewinder ffb2 back

[manic marten]

#1471205244548550761 message
if you dig it out of the vault, here is the mod

[scenic cradle]

Possibly dumb Q: but for those that dont have the modder role, do we still publish mods in the custom missions forum?

[daring locust]

ask an admin to get the role

[chilly bluff]

you should

👀

they’re good sticks, even if they’re all like 25 years old by now and kinda shy on buttons

there’s still enough there to fly and fight, especially with a headtracker

[sturdy silo]

Has anyone got any idea how to attach a debugger to the game?

I see theres some talk around using something called DnSpy but boy howdy I am not a programmer 🤣 🤣

[rapid pilot]

if dnspy is too hard try unity explorer a lot user friendly in my opinion

you use it in game and you can click on specific parts of the screen to open them

[wary flint]

BepInEx has a setting to set a debug breakpoint. Should be able to attach to it through that iirc

Rider also has a good decompiler, if that's what you're looking for.

[rigid elk]

@wary flint I didn´t want to bother you so soon with this (plus I´ve had exams and I´m ill rn so I really didn´t had much choice before this) but we have any updates on that template you were going to do?

Because I´ll have to design Section II depending on how you do it, and I´d like to know how you plan on doing so

No rush whatsoever though, just wanted to get updated that´s all 🙂

[wary flint]

I was going to look at it this weekend! Been a busy week at work, and the plethora of meetings tends to make me too tired to really dive into side projects throughout the week 😅

I'll toss it in here once it's done.

[rigid elk]

Ah well, that´s wonderful to hear! Don´t rush it too much, so long as you go for it it´ll be okay XD

Plus as I say my head is killing me so it´s not like I can advance much myself. And next week I have other two exams 💀

[rigid elk]

Gotcha! Ping me when you do as well, I´ll give it a good check 👍

I´ll probably keep the "how to do it manually" just in case? But add a section before it on how to do it the easy way with your repo, thus keeping the manual section as a safeguard in case anything happens to it

[wary flint]

Good luck with the exams!

[rigid elk]

Thankies! 🙏 😄

[rare apex]

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-we-do-a-little-throughput-loaders-transport-belt-gif-23235553

theres gotta be a better way to do this bro

this is what it does

https://tenor.com/view/vro-vro-cat-cat-tole-tole-tole-tole-cat-gif-3583064468191565130

[halcyon notch]

What are you trying to do?

Because unless you need intermediate data, or to manipulate intermediate data, you probably don't need transpiling

[rare apex]

modifying PlayerAxisControls have videos showcasing what it does #1463328797121187880 message

[halcyon notch]

And you need data on the stack?

[rare apex]

nah i needed to use a transpiler patch because i needed to just target "this.rollInput"

[waxen owl]

screw the player axis controls, me literally made an entire new input system for my NOWTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1071056956623695882/1402761425629220874/ezgif.com-gif-maker_3.gif

[halcyon notch]

HarmonyX allows you to access internal variables with special parameter name binding

[rare apex]

elaborate?

[halcyon notch]

https://harmony.pardeike.net/articles/patching-injections.html#___fields

And if you need a variable on the stack, you can cheat and pass it as variables to a function call so you don't have to write the entire thing in CIL

[waxen owl]

why yaw on mouse

[rare apex]

oh that specific variable gets used quite a lot inside of PlayerAxisControls

i needed access to the one in "if mapMaximized" statement

[waxen owl]

just UI inspect the map and you may find it there

[rare apex]

someone made a assembly csharp mod for it a while ago, and i rewrote it in bepinex lol

[waxen owl]

what..?

[rare apex]

i dont really have a use for it since i use controller, but it seems popular

[waxen owl]

wdym

by

[rare apex]

one sec

[waxen owl]

assembly csharp mod

and

bepinex

what

assembly csharp is..

the game code itself..

[rare apex]

#1319566766594068531 message

they patched the game assembly and released it

like through dnspy

[halcyon notch]

Yaw on Mouse is an old mod that predates the current modding community

[waxen owl]

oh i see

yaw on mouse is real!!

yaw integrates with roll and pitch is very powerful

[waxen owl]

i think you need to look at rewired

[rare apex]

wdym?

all the mod does is change rollInput to yawInput

[waxen owl]

wait i forgot

what you want to do?

[rare apex]

well with the blacklist, first checks if you want it changed to yawInput

[waxen owl]

wdym blacklist

[rare apex]

#1463328797121187880 message

[waxen owl]

so you want to make it toggle able?

[rare apex]

i did make it toggleable

[waxen owl]

so just the blacklist

[rare apex]

just wondering if theres a cleaner way to inject code into the middle of a method lol

[waxen owl]

well you need to put it inside bepinex mod configurator

^

[rare apex]

rather than writing il instructions from scratch

[waxen owl]

so people can toggle the blacklist

and itll

just

apply it

automatically

[rare apex]

its not a plugin config like this, so idk if it will show up

ill give it a try

looks like this

[waxen owl]

put like this

[rare apex]

doesnt

i know how config entries work

[waxen owl]

but ConfigEntry<bool>

[rare apex]

the blacklist is a custom config

[waxen owl]

oh so like a json file

[rare apex]

yup

[waxen owl]

this is my NOWTC json config

well if you get it

[rare apex]

for mine it just loads it into this

and if the json doesnt exist it generates a default config

the mod isnt THAT intrusive so it should work for a while

[waxen owl]

to be honest

json file is not practical

[rare apex]

and its pretty simple to add support for new aircraft

[waxen owl]

i prefer

[rare apex]

you just add it to the json file

[waxen owl]

just enabling and disabling it in the

bepinex configurator

[rare apex]

more convienent true

but i want it so that i can easily just add more aircraft to the list

rather than hardcoding them as properties

[waxen owl]

well then get aircraft from encyclopedia

easy

[rare apex]

that could be done too

[waxen owl]

then just do that

simple

it auto update itself

freaking immortal mod

[rare apex]

looks like some of the names dont match

[waxen owl]

thats because it just json name

[rare apex]

wut

[waxen owl]

thats the prefab name

the real name of the aircraft

all roads lead to that name

[rare apex]

yeh thats what i use

[waxen owl]

or just declare

Cl-22 as COIN

or whatever whatever

need dat redundancy

[rare apex]

where? in the helper function?

[waxen owl]

wait i think i have a mod that do kind of that

[rare apex]

tbh, i could autogenerate the json by getting all the gameobjects of type aircraft

hmm

maybe ill do that

[waxen owl]

ok

[rare apex]

sick

[waxen owl]

peak

[frigid tendon]

oh

i had that list from the files when i decompiled the game

[wary flint]

Okay, I got Entity Framework 6 to work at the very least

Not ideal, but better than nothing

Let's try Entity Framework Core again

[rare apex]

are you planning db integration for nucleus?

feel like getting efcore running for mono might be a pain

[wary flint]

Yup

[rare apex]

would it not be easier to have a .net sidecar for db connections?

[wary flint]

I'm working on a generic datasource system (a bit like how Quarkus handles it, if you're familiar with that Java framework)

It might be, but it'd be nice if it's all contained in one project / easy to extend to new Nuclei services tbh

[rare apex]

fair

[wary flint]

I've managed to get EF6 to run in Mono. Not 100% ideal (I'd prefer EFCore), but it's a win

[halcyon notch]

Unity's mono build supports .NET remoting for the record

[wary flint]

Wdym?

[halcyon notch]

.NET MarshalByRefObject and proxy/stub generation

IIRC

[wary flint]

Okay, you've definitely lost me there. My .NET knowledge doesn't span that far

[rare apex]

does it work with .net 10?

[halcyon notch]

The latest version of mono supports .NET Framework 4.8, however, Unity Mono uses the bleeding edge version. Mono development stopped not long after the latest version because of .NET Core(?)

MarshalByRef allows .NET to generate a proxy in a remote domain (appdomain, remote process, remote client) which redirects the calls to the local copy

Otherwise it defaults to MarshalByValue

[wary flint]

Still not 100% on the same page, but I feel like you're saying I could use modern .NET functionality, and possibly use modern EF Core stuff?

[halcyon notch]

Not quite the same because I use stdio redirection, but I use modern .NET with WinForms for my mod manager

[wary flint]

Hm

So, how does that work in practice? You're saying it might enable modern EF Core? I'm still not 100% understanding, apologies.

[halcyon notch]

.NET remoting is much more transparent though, it acts like a local class.

[wary flint]

Ah, wait, are you saying I'd deploy a separate app that runs EF Core, and then use remote procedures to interact with it?

[halcyon notch]

on the server you might have

class MyClass: MarshalByRefObject
{
...

  public int DoThing()
  {
    ...
  }
}

On the client you would do

MyClass myInstance = ... // This depends and I'm still learning this part

myInstance.DoThing()

DoThing() would run on the server and the return passed to the client

Beyond that, if you want EFCore, you might need to modify it since it is designed for .NET 10. Probably by disabling or working around features

[wary flint]

I got it to work partially, but kept running into issues with the different providers and their dependencies

I think I finally have EF6 migrations working in Mono, at least

So that's a potential solution

[halcyon notch]

Yeah they're going to expect the same minimum EFCore expects

I'm not familiar with EF so I can't say much

[wary flint]

I'll have to experiment with Dapper next, see if that's any better than EF6. I don't have experience with it, but some cursory reading seemed promising

[halcyon notch]

Only reason I know of .NET remoting is I'm experimenting with mod reloading

[wary flint]

Doesn't BepInEx provide mod reloading capabilities?

[halcyon notch]

I don't believe so

ScriptEngine does****

But ScriptEngine is doing it in a kinda cheaty way that leaks resources and requires careful programming, I'm trying to do it more natively

[wary flint]

Hm, we could try and enforce a standard tbh. Or provide an interface in a simple library mod.

E.g. some kind of Dispose / reload / disable / enable

[halcyon notch]

The biggest hurdle is UnityObject (specifically MonoBehaviour)

[wary flint]

Because otherwise I don't see how you can reliably have a clean reload. Some mods create Unity Objects / MonoBehaviours, yeah.

[halcyon notch]

I have an idea that either works amazingly or completely crashes Unity

If it doesn't work I can still do some funky magic with CIL rewriting in appdomains

For reference, Unity Editor uses appdomains and domain reloading, so I suspect that the native calls are more tolerant than exposed

[rigid elk]

@wary flint I realised that given the developers have "planned" to offer mod support on the long term, I´ll probably have to adapt the guide even more so I´ve decided to keep the manual installation section and instead add variant steps (2A, 2B, 2C, etc) which you choose whatever you prefer. Also put this good 'ol NOTE to explain it 👍

I also figured out how to make custom liveries using Substance so I´m working on this in tandem, already got the cover made lol

Fun fact: the cover of the guides is related to what the guide is about. The modding guide features a Revoker flying with the PAB-350LR from the QoL mod, whereas the Livery one has the livery I made as a test yesterday (while trying not to die of flu 💀 )

[wary flint]

No clue what the timeline for official support is, but it's also pretty likely to not change too much about programmatic modding tbh?

[rigid elk]

[wary flint]

Like, either it has feature parity with BepInEx (DLL loading, Harmony, etc...), or people will just mix official and BepInEx mods

[rigid elk]

Probably the installation does, idk the specifics but just in case a magical second-way to do mods pops up it´ll be available

I hope it doesn´t change it much though, it´d be a pain in the ahh to re-learn everything lol

[halcyon notch]

First thing official support will do is add workshop support

Which is probably really easy to do if we just stick with BepInEx

[wary flint]

Yeah, I kind of expect an interface / abstract base class and workshop support as far as official mod support goes?

Bundled Harmony, and DLL loading based on finding any implementations of that interface

[halcyon notch]

They might wait for some maturity in the community's current "standards" to better figure out what to build because if workshop support is added it's pretty ossified.

[wary flint]

As far as code mods go, what I mentioned up there would be the easiest upgrade path, and it's equivalent to BepInEx in most ways (except for dependency tracking, but I'd hope for the same QoL there tbh)

[halcyon notch]

Workshop has built in dependency tracking

[wary flint]

And an official configuration system, e.g. define a FloatConfigValue somewhere and it's auto built-in to a mod menu in-game

[wary flint]

Right, but ordering / incompatibility tracking / soft compat / etc...

[halcyon notch]

Diagetic settings is awkward with Rewired

[wary flint]

BepInEx offers a lot of nice functionality when it comes to that kind of dependency tracking, which the workshop doesn't

[wary flint]

Is it?

Can't have prefabs or something for it?

[halcyon notch]

Rewired is readonly once compiled IIRC

[wary flint]

Hmmmmm

Well, they'll figure something out /shrug

[halcyon notch]

#1467160166091722763 has some experimental support for it but it required a ridiculous amount of patching

IIRC

[wary flint]

In any case, I wouldn't foresee a huge break in BepInEx mods. Probs just redoing the main class / hook and calling it a day

[rigid elk]

I wish one day that stops sounding like alien to me... 😭

[halcyon notch]

If they don't support prepatchers then they could easily just load the chainloader

It's like BaseChainloader.Run or something

PrePatchers are a bit more awkward because they assume even UnityEngine.dll isn't loaded.

[wary flint]

Prepatchers are neat tho

But anyway, Entity Framework works. Next up is a POC with EFCore

[halcyon notch]

They are, I use it to load AtomicModManager and then patch BaseChainloader itself to prevent loading disabled mods.

[wary flint]

If that doesn't work, I'll give Dapper a go

And then I need to settle on something

Any other good ORMs in .NET?

[halcyon notch]

I haven't done databasing since some of my SPA experiments using MongoDB

I tried to add some threading support to AtomicFramework but I don't really have the focus atm

[wary flint]

NHibernate might be an option I guess

[sinful basin]

how are you getting it to work with 3rd person camera? I can only get it working in 1st person

[rare apex]

why does rewired obfuscate itself

wtf am i reading lol

[manic marten]

rewired the gift that keeps on rewiring itself

[frigid tendon]

my last braincell cooking off trying to add a custom MFD panel

😭 clicking it does nothing

[frigid tendon]

OH LOL

i figured it out

[frigid tendon]

yippie

[waxen owl]

#1466620964614705277

[celest sundial]

Had an idea for a mod dont know if it could be useful or not

You can get these rectangle monitors at a decent price online.

the monitor would sit just below your monitor and display your instruments along side a map and other features

it would do direct reflection from game

[drifting mantle]

Hey i'm curious, but does anyone know if the QoL mod or FQ-106 mods break the spawning system? Other than the auto carrier landing system, and sound mods, those are the only two I have, and ever since I've installed mods, a bunch of workshop missions broke where I can't spawn in and take off saying "All hangars for this aircraft are currently in use, please try again in a moment..."

[celest sundial]

if it was touchscreen i could have options on it that could tie into targeting as well, would be cool if it detected your team then provided a target all AAA, Hangers, etc and what base with a touch of the screen

[celest sundial]

first try and remove ACLS it might have issues, but i havent seen that issue with the mod before

[drifting mantle]

Okay, I'll disable both that and the QoL mod to see if that does something

Hmm, that did indeed fix it, now is it QoL or ACLS?

Nope, seems like its the QoL mod thats breaking it

I've tested this with tankbusters and Ignus Invasion, tankbusters still mostly works, you can still spawn at larger bases, but smaller bases like K92 are totally broken, Ignus Invasion dosen't work at all, since you can't spawn at the custom spawn point at all

[ionic charm]

Check if you have the latest version of qol. Kestrel partially broke with the latest hotfix (dismounting doesn't work)

[drifting mantle]

I have the latest versions of both, atleast... if QoL's latest version is 1.1.6.2b2, right?

And yeah, I was trying to figure out what was going on with the Kestrel too, but I think you answered me on that one earlier

[ionic charm]

I would've dropped a hotfix asap but so much has changed behind the scenes it's gonna have to wait a bit for a bigger update

[drifting mantle]

I've been using it for one way trips now since they're so cheap to buy, just grab that and load it up with the hyper sonic penetration missiles to take care of air defenses and then swap back to the aircraft I'm actually going to fly hahaha

[drifting mantle]

Is there any place I can report the bug with QoL? or is that technically not considered a bug since I'm not fully sure if custom airports/spawn points are supported with QoL

[ionic charm]

#1337634794040983593
https://discord.com/channels/1303878245942431765/1383514095948660926

[drifting mantle]

Thanks!

[sinful basin]

I'm using that mod but I only get camera rotation from mouse movement with yawonmouse working only in 1st person

[waxen owl]

#1470616749161451690

[sinful basin]

thank you very much! will give it a go

[waxen owl]

yes

[dim ermine]

is there a list of all the mods that disable multiplayer server lists ? I want to play online but idk what mods disable the multiplayer features, i know unlimited weapons and stuff and autopilot disable the server list but I still can't find any servers and I thunk some other mods disable it but I can't know wich

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1470432484914237702#

[rigid elk]

Another update on the modding guide! 🥳

This one came with a bit of delay because I was both ill and had some issues in real life that I had to attend to, but I´ve managed to add a good chunk of info to it!

Namely there will be several sections where the modding environment set-up chapter would go, each one labeled with a letter. At the beginning of the collection of said chapters there´s a note informing that all of these steps are equivalent to set up the environment, but given that new forms to set it up will likely appear in the future like GitHub repository templates, official modding support, etc that will render manual set-up as no longer the only way to do things, they´ll be added in these letter-labeled chapters and the reader just has to pick the one they fancy the most

Another thing, this is a minor detail however, is that visual detail in some images has been degraded a bit by the document conversor I´m using. I´m looking (again) for alternatives to it, but once the full guide is prepared I´ll be using the official conversor (which allows for 1 conversion every 30 days) that should solve the issue entirely, so for "proof reading" it should work just fine.

Also an index has been added at the beginning, which will logically get updated as more chapters and sections are added to the guide

As always, anything you want to inform me about it (inaccuracies, errata of any kind, etc) feel free to ping me. Enjoy the read! 🫡

[drifting mantle]

Following up on this, apparently its the sound switcher mod not playing nice with QoL, that kinda sucks

[rapid pilot]

my audio switcher mod? the last update broke it im currently re working it if there is a conflict with qol please do let me know

[drifting mantle]

Yeah thats the one, I don't know if theres a conflict, but with both mods installed, most small bases (like K92) and custom bases won't let you spawn at them

[rapid pilot]

that is audio switcher yes once a hanger or helipad has been used you cant use it again

[drifting mantle]

I asked in the Primeva 2082 server and they said it was a known bug that the audio switcher and QoL mods don't play nice together

[drifting mantle]

Yeah, thats the issue i'm having!

[rapid pilot]

it will be fixed when the new audio switcher is out for now id recommend removing the mod sadly

[drifting mantle]

Yeah, for now I just have it disabled, glad to hear its being fixed though

[humble monolith]

Not gonna lie, imagine a AI Wingman Mod, like the concept that could come into 2 forms:

The Normal Wingman: A Simple Wingman That you can spawn with a keybind that can fly in Flight Formations ( Echelon, Vic, Diamond, etc), also having a number from 1-3 and can also be tailored to copy your jet (As in Base Game Planes and Standalones) and its loadout (A2A, A2G, Anti Ship, Etc) and can be given commands In Attack, Defend, Cover, SEAD, DEAD, and having the Ability to RTB, Refuel, or RTB and hopefully count as a Successful Sortie.

Drone Concept: How about The same concept of the Wingman but in Drone form just like in the Primeva 2082 Kestrel Drone Mod, a Wingman Drone which is soon to be a actual real life thing in the near future for Stealth Fighters and Next Generation Aircraft for Both A2A and A2G Capability. These Drones can be used as Expendable since majority is very cheaper than an aircraft and could have the wingman count of maybe 1-6 due to smaller size, availability and small cost.

How it could work: The wingmen mod could work like the normal Hanger UI like purchasing a Prop/Heli/Jet/Logistics Aircraft meaning it would take a sum probably half of what the plane actually costs and spawning in a wingman that will form up with you and match your speed. The commands could be configured through the config manager through a set of PC keybinds to the Users liking.

Someone please turn this idea into a reality someday, it might be great.

[rapid pilot]

I tried this and honestly without official modding tools it would be extremely difficult

[jolly solar]

hey is there anyway to make so i can see every server available and if it doesnt have qol, kestrel or any other hard requiring mod it just doesnt use it?

like i wanna play multiplayer and sometimes qol in singleplayer but i dont want to switch back and forth

AYO JOHNY BROCCOLIHAND??

[manic marten]

the way qol and kestrel plugins work, they alter your game client in a way so that you can only see servers that have qol or kestrel

if you have to play vanilla you have to remove the mods from your plugin list afaik

no way around it

[jolly solar]

what if it didnt do that?

[manic marten]

it just won't show you vanilla servers

[jolly solar]

what would happen if the server showed up and i tried joining

[jolly solar]

okay but what if it DID show?

[manic marten]

it won't

it effectively changes your game client's game version

[kindred finch]

it would probably crash the clients game pretty fast

[manic marten]

and you won't see other lobbies/servers unless they have the same version attribute

[jolly solar]

so stupid

i have to edit files everytime i want to switch

[manic marten]

you want to play with mods you have to pay the sacrifice

[jolly solar]

i wouldnt EVER want to switch if multiplayer was possible with qol and kestrel but NO ONE PLAYS

because after trying qol i love it so much

[frigid tendon]

hm

[manic marten]

there are weekly QoL multiplayer sessions

[jolly solar]

different gun types, different tara turrets

[manic marten]

hosted on Primeva 2082 server

[jolly solar]

not enough

[manic marten]

every weekend

[jolly solar]

i need

EVERYDAY

[manic marten]

then make more

[jolly solar]

oh okay

BUT NO ONE JOINS

[kindred finch]

just ask for people to play with you

[jolly solar]

i host for 2 hours a day

oh right damn

yall wanna play

[kindred finch]

not right now

[manic marten]

join more squadron discords

and post on them when you host

[jolly solar]

everyone plays vanilla

its so hard

what if we moved the whole playerbase to modded nuclear option

goals

like qol is so epic that i fucing question opal

opal why dont we have these features in vanilla?!

30mm turret for tara plus internal jammer is just blessing me

also it has WAY cooler payloads

im just unsure why would i need 57mm

[ember swan]

Just getting into modding NO, **am I the 91,225th person to request modding the available nuclear payloads and delivery packages? **

I looked and could not find. Poking around the .json, seems like bigger yield payloads would be a lot of visual work - 1.2 Mt and 5.0 Mt payloads would make things interesting. That aside, just expanding delivery options and price-balancing for yields would be nice. 1.5 kT Tusko / ASHM-300 (or that fun hypersonic AGM in the QoL mod), 20 kT GPO-N + glide versions of all 3 payloads, 250 kT Piledriver / ALND, pricing & weight in proportion to yield, fractional use of "cores" for smaller yields. A 1.5 kT anti-air payload would be fun in the R6 Longsword, etc., maybe even nuclear artillery. Cold-war-inspired.

Anyone worked on such a thing yet? All I've seen is some guy on YouTube making pumped-up yields, including a map-clearing Tsar Bomba.

[river moss]

Are there any mods that change the gun crosshair?

[misty marlin]

do yalls mod have linux support?

[frigid tendon]

what do you mean

it's running in proton

you have to set an override for winhttp for bepinex to load

[wary flint]

Mods work with Linux, yeah. Just gotta install BepInEx to work on Linux, they have a guide on it

[misty marlin]

thanks man

[slender ferry]

i love mods

[rapid pilot]

And mods love you

[main stone]

Mods, love this guy ❤️

[cedar pumice]

What is the most downloaded mod?

I think it's NOBlackBox

[manic marten]

NOTT and NOAutopilot have overtaken NOBlackBox some time ago, actually

[cedar pumice]

That's unexpected

[manic marten]

at least within the list of mods that are on the NOMNOM registry

NOTT leads by far at the moment

I don't count the top 2 since they are utilities used for many games, not actual NO mods

the download count comes from GitHub API

its the sum of the downloadcount for all uploaded releases

QoL probably has many many downloads as well but we don't have it in NOMNOM yet - though it may happen in the future

[manic marten]

NOTT is a more visually impressive mod that has many appealing features that players will immediately recognize, while NOBlackBox is kind of a single-purpose addition so it will have a more limited scope when it comes to potential userbase. it was also around for much longer than many other mods. its average growth rate is much slower than popular mods that have been published since.

i did lose a couple of hundred-ish from the download count by editing a release file which reset the number for 0.3.8.2, but even then it would only be around 2000 downloads

[cedar pumice]

thx

[kindred finch]

https://github-release-stats.ghostbyte.dev/Combat787/NOMM even NOMM surpassed it lol

[manic marten]

I'm not surprised, since a lot of other were thanks to NOMM 🍻

[kindred finch]

wouldnt work without NOMNOM either

[frigid tendon]

i'm genuiinely surprised NOX has more downloads than WSO yappinator

[raven quarry]

my guess is that it's a barrier to entry thing and also due to the age of each mod

you have to go to github anyways to grab the voice packs for yappinator i think and people just don't wanna do that

[manic marten]

yeah the voicepack downloads atm don't work well with NOMM

[raven quarry]

my yappinator broke for a few weeks and i didn't even notice which is freaky, but i reinstalled it again a couple days ago and it's been so nice

but i do not use nomm

[brave hare]

has anyone made a mod for first person ejections?

i feel like that would be sick asl

very immersive

[celest sundial]

hmm ill look into this

[rare apex]

PilotDismounted::Setup
CameraStateManager::SetFollowingUnit

from a quick glance, i think those two are the relevent methods

[celest sundial]

thanks muj!

[brave hare]

no way is this happening

w community

[next timber]

who should I ask to get the modder role? made a tiny mod I'd like to post in here:
https://codeberg.org/maevi/nuclear-option-mods/src/branch/main/livery-manager

[ionic charm]

#submit-a-ticket and an admin will sort you out🍻

[next timber]

done, thanks

[rapid pilot]

hey nikko quick question did you ever mess with reflection probes?

[ionic charm]

Don't think i have

[rapid pilot]

ah ok no worries

[rare apex]

#now-hiring message damn wish i knew unity well

[leaden lantern]

hi, configuration manager is installed, and f1 does nothing. i am using the non-il2cpp one as expected

[tawny blade]

Close the game, and open it again?

[celest sundial]

@kindred finch Would it be possible to add ACLS and background replacer to NOMM?

[leaden lantern]

didnt work

[celest sundial]

ordered this for my cougar MFDS

you can mount them using a 3d printed frame to this LCD and use them as intruments. I plan on making a mod to map any flight instrument to be fullscreen on a monitor so that users can put any flight instrument on an external MFD

[frigid tendon]

oh, maybe i should work on the external RWR at some point lol

[celest sundial]

photoshopped this real quick but it would look similar IRL

[rapid pilot]

I have some external mfd code I’m planning to share it’s not finished but does actually work I’m gonna compile all the important stuff and make a post in the mfd thread incase anyone wants to take a crack at it

[kindred finch]

NOMM is just the modmanager you want to add it to NOMNOM @manic marten

[manic marten]

https://github.com/KopterBuzz/NOMNOM?tab=readme-ov-file#how-to-add-your-nuclear-option-mod-to-nomnom

[tawny blade]

Must have been the wind

[wheat crystal]

Does anyone know how to get Bepinex to activate?
I put the files into the Nuclear Option files then ran the game but Bepinex create the new files

[rapid pilot]

did you install bepinex 64 or 86?

also a screenshot of the folder would be good

[wheat crystal]

x64

[rapid pilot]

Screenshot inside the bepinex folder please

[wheat crystal]

nothing else was made after launching the game with Bepinex inside

[rapid pilot]

have you tried re installing it? also bepinex 5 ye? and i highly doubt it but anti virus didnt flag it?

[wheat crystal]

ye ye BepInEx 5.4.23.5

[wheat crystal]

reinstalling NO? I have not tried that

[rapid pilot]

this?

[wheat crystal]

yee

[rapid pilot]

i would verify steam files then try reinstalling

[wheat crystal]

okie ill try that

will doing that reset any liveries or missions I have gotten from the workshop?

[rapid pilot]

no they are stored in a seperate folder

[wheat crystal]

ah

[rapid pilot]

this is where all your workshop content is stored

[wheat crystal]

oic

[rapid pilot]

if the verify reinstall doesnt work try going a version back on github also are you unzipping directly into the game folder?

[wheat crystal]

I unzip in my downloads then drop the files into the NO folder

[rapid pilot]

try placing the zip into the game folder and extract it that way

[wheat crystal]

I put this into NO's folder

[rapid pilot]

i see the issue you have the linux version

you need win for windows

https://github.com/BepInEx/BepInEx/releases/download/v5.4.23.5/BepInEx_win_x64_5.4.23.5.zip

[rapid pilot]

also there is a mod manager that will download bepinex for you and has some mods on there ( mine arent on there currently ) but you can still download from file https://github.com/Combat787/NOMM/releases/download/2.4.0/Nuclear.Option.Mod.Manager-portable-2.4.0.zip

[wheat crystal]

:o ty

[wheat crystal]

oh im stupid LMAO

I didnt see omg ty ty

[rapid pilot]

np enjoy the mods

[oak crater]

Is there a mod that lets you do range/bearing stuff on the map? Someone I know takes AWACs-type air control seriously and would like something like that.

[brave hare]

anything come of this?

[celest sundial]

not yet but ill work on it tonight

[rapid pilot]

How so do you mean?

[oak crater]

Presumably a click and drag measuring tool?

[rapid pilot]

Ohhhh you mean like actual distance measuring like in km or miles etc

[oak crater]

I think that's what they're asking for, yes

[rapid pilot]

Hmmmm I have a mod half baked for drawing on the map I guess it could track distance?

Hypothetically speaking

[shy pebble]

the tools from uboat would be sweet

[shy pebble]

chat, what do we think :
https://imgsli.com/NDUyOTIx
https://imgsli.com/NDUyOTIy
https://imgsli.com/NDUyOTI0
I'm working on a Reshade with a grittier "Battlefield-like" look

[scenic cradle]

the last photo is absolute heat with how it looks

[shy pebble]

I tried not to go overboard, the sharpening is on purpose, I wanted the textures to look a bit "noisier"

main issue is that the cockpit interior is not in the depth map

[scenic cradle]

Honestly I didn’t even notice the cockpit section- but I think it’s still really good considering you’re only looking at it for information and you’d want it as visible as possible imo

[celest sundial]

Half way there. Got the LCD mounted behind my MFDs now I just need to add the real reflection of the in game MFD

[rapid pilot]

Glad someone else is making this lol I hated tryna get it to work lol

[celest sundial]

Rough as of now but possible!!

[rapid pilot]

I got it working but it was one solid mfd display i never mapped where each separate screen was lol

Monitor 2 is the mfd lol

[celest sundial]

i got the same setup im trying to make it to where i can customize each mfd tthough

[rapid pilot]

Have fun hahahaha I didn’t lol

[celest sundial]

i got the tgp on one mfd working

working on getting rwr on second

[celest sundial]

with this mod i plan on integrating an always on manual slew tgp where you can control tgp zoom,IR, laser so you can lase even without a selected target or use it for long range spotting

[grave solar]

Where do i get the qol pack that everyone is playing? Can't seem to find anything but reddit posts making allusion to it

[ionic charm]

you can find it here (or on the p2082 discord where the real magic happens) https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457936949741617223

[grave solar]

I was asking for a link to their discord but I saw it's in that post!

[ionic charm]

ah okay 🍻

[dense bear]

wow, this is cool

[main stone]

hello for some reason whenever i host or play singleplayer my spawn points glitch out after a while (it says its occupied when its literally there, empty)

which mod could cause it?

its not one of these 100%: smoketrail, qol, rcs, ifritmod, unitcopypaste, fq106

Because i had this problem without them

Yeah ill do that

You know how this game’s code works, which mod could somehow interact with it?

[unreal timber]

all I know for sure is that it isn’t mine

[raven quarry]

this issue happens from time to time in vanilla, but I've personally only seen it in multiplayer (I guess I don't play much SP anymore really)

[unreal timber]

is there anything in the log when it happens?

[main stone]

Log?

[main stone]

İ dont play singleplayer much too. İts just im testing my custom mission and the same thing happens there

And it happens EVERY time i host

[raven quarry]

that is strange, I hope someone can help you out

[main stone]

All it takes is for anyone to use the spawn

And its bricked

Says its occupied

[unreal timber]

C:\Users\{your username}\AppData\LocalLow\Shockfront\Nuclear Option\Player.log

[main stone]

Oh okay

İll check it out when im home

İ suspsect its either targetgrid, wso, truefactioncolor, betterpip

Might have happened due to the new patch

[rapid pilot]

It’s audio switcher there’s an updated patch in the mod thread

[main stone]

Oh thanks

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[rapid pilot]

#1465800205021478975 message

[main stone]

Thmnk you

[drifting mantle]

its the audio switcher

yeah okay nvm someone already helped you lmao

[main stone]

Still, thank you

[celest sundial]

if anyone else is thinking of using external MFD screens here is a python script where you can outline your mfds where they sit on your backscreen and it will create a config with the display data

[cedar pumice]

Modding Tutorial

1. Prepare your money, time, and ideas.
2. Purchase Claude
   .
3. Download the include Claude
   code from VS Code and log in.
4. Now you can create a mod.

[rapid pilot]

i like claude etc but i tried letting it make a mod once it made the code in about 30 minutes and i spent 5 hours debugging lol i now use it for ui and simple tasks lol its also pretty good at labeling code and really good at remembering example code

[celest sundial]

tried and true

[grave solar]

"Changelog
v69.67
Refactored entire codebase"

mod is now unusable 😎

[rapid pilot]

I have an ai for university we have to teach I thought ye I’ll let him do some basic coding my ammo mod had a slight issue very minor so I asked Ugg to fix it 3 minutes of thinking later he jus decided the best way to fix the problem was remove the cause and deleted all of it

[past dagger]

I really hope that one day we get a mod that replaces the current in-game 3D aircraft models with their real-life counterparts. For example, swapping the A-19 Brawler with the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II would be absolutely amazing.

It would add so much more and immersion to the game. I’d definitely download that on day one.

[rapid pilot]

I’m no expert on models but that is technically possible I’m gonna look into modding aircraft really wanna try and make some cool stuff

[tawny blade]

i think it's funny you mentioned this, because QOL had this exact same thing happen, although it's just mildly broken now

and was done by a person

[grave solar]

I was joking about that specific thing LOL

Didn't realize it was boomercoded though. Props to brudda for screwing the pooch o'natural

[tawny blade]

boomercoded!?

[grave solar]

If you know how to develop software without access to GPT, that's boomercoding!

[tawny blade]

please just put the fries in the bag

[grave solar]

what

[ionic charm]

model swaps 💔

[rapid pilot]

?

[ionic charm]

they never look good

[rapid pilot]

im so confused rn

like aircraft model swaps?

[ionic charm]

ye

[rapid pilot]

ah havent tried currently looking at blender tutorials etc

[tawny blade]

thank you

[rapid pilot]

to be fair could you not match the materials to make it look right?

[tawny blade]

bruh

that's not what the problem is

[rapid pilot]

I have literally no idea what im doing so just guessing

[tawny blade]

like, you know how the aircraft in game are very detailed, far beyond most games, due to the damage model?

so now imagine having to do that for a model swap at bare minimum

[rapid pilot]

oh yeah i get that im not tryna make a kestral level aircraft i just wanna learn the basics of how this all works and go from there

[tawny blade]

makes sense. hope it works out

[celest sundial]

https://github.com/Talon-One-Fighter-Squadron/first-person-eject

[celest sundial]

ye

[shy pebble]

oh shit hell yeah

[brave hare]

gonna try this out tonight u the goat man

[celest sundial]

Anyone tried giving cruise missiles ir counter measures? Im thinking about giving it a shot

Thinking it should be possible to tie into the targeting system so that when a cruise missile is being shot at that I can sorta copy and paste the existing flare deployment from the planes and rig it to the cruise body.

[rapid pilot]

i did touch on this after seeing the russian cruise missiles lol i had a working ish mod the biggest issue was large volleys of cruise missiles would dump flares and fps took a hit

[celest sundial]

ah okay cool stuff

[rapid pilot]

i did try and find the file but i think its on my external storage that i dont have atm lol

[ionic charm]

#1131013817011294249 message @rapid pilot feel free to make something with it, i got too much on my plate to do it myself atm

[rapid pilot]

appreciate it if i get it working you can expect a credit @ lol

[shell eagle]

Hey, here's a fun question

Is there anyone who does aircraft mod commissions?

Pls ping me with any response

(In case it matters, I'm looking for a multiturret gunship and a B36-inspired strategic bomber, also with support for a plethora of turrets, at least in the latter case preferably with ability to engage missiles)

[rancid raven]

wtv ur doing sounds cool

[shell eagle]

Not doing anything yet XD

But yeah

Uh

The idea is basically to have an aircraft that uses a bunch of turrets to defend itself and or engage both close air targets and ground targets

[shell eagle]

Actually, is there a discord server for modding the game?

[fallow barn]

#1337634794040983593

however extremely unlikely you get your comission

[shell eagle]

How so?

[rapid pilot]

Plane models in nuclear option are extremely detailed due to the damage models etc to make a custom aircraft could take weeks or months the 2082 team do make aircraft yes but as you can see by release it takes a while lol

[fallow barn]

^there are mulitple people working on an aircraft at any given time

unless you have like, a thousand dollars

i don't think you can comission an aircraft

not to mention these are passion projects

[rapid pilot]

maybe with official modding tools it could get easier but we are a ways away from that lol

[kindred finch]

doubtful considering what all goes into an aircraft

[manic marten]

commissioning mods for a yet-to-be-finished game is bad busineess

[shy pebble]

I just finished setting up a full Mistral install for my environment, I'll let yall know how this goes

my money was wasted on copilot tbh, agents that are too good takes the fun out of programming

[rapid pilot]

very early test but entirely possible

[tawny blade]

This will be the new meta

2op

Plsnerf

[rapid pilot]

your right i just lit my computer on fire its gone

[rapid pilot]

i don't see this being a popular mod made it more for myself but i might release it it applies random calling card emblems and ranks when either you kill an aircraft or one kills you shout out toni

[waxen owl]

dont you love when your mod just

❤️

[tawny blade]

what the god damn did you do

[waxen owl]

i forgor references lmao

[thick ravine]

Is there any sort of infinite ammo mod for single player?

[frigid tendon]

mr krabs i have an idea

[rapid pilot]

I actually finished the mod lol very fun to use

I really wanna try adding animated calling cards and emblems but I have no idea took me a while to understand how to add the png files lol

[dawn coral]

e

[indigo mural]

Does anyone know if that new nuke mod is a BepinEx file yet or is it still just modified game files? I don't know how to tell, thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QLBezRh_KU

[rapid pilot]

its still core game files theres a pull request but nothings come of it this mod also does break the EULA as it redistributes the files lol

[indigo mural]

Yeah that's why I was asking, lmao. That's a shame

[rapid pilot]

does anybody have any nuclear option black box mod footage i could borrow please?

[tawny blade]

For?

[rapid pilot]

testing a mod

[celest sundial]

I know we have a better camera system now but has anyone looked into a camera preset mod?

so users can create custom camera hardpoints that will attach to the aircraft itself

i was trying to use the built in camera system and an issue i was facing was having to manually move the camera to each position i wanted

would make it easy so users can create custom camera angles tied to custom buttons. cycle from bomb bay, pylons, etc. might work on that rn

[rapid pilot]

i looked into the cinematic camera for this tbf when making the ace combat intro mod it showed some promise

i do have a camera mod that places a camera at the gun on the ifrit but i never really went anywhere with it

[celest sundial]

it would be really good for cinematics

[rapid pilot]

that was my original intention with the gun camera and then it evolved into the ace combat intro mod the plan was allow people to make custom aircraft intros etc

[celest sundial]

sweet! ill look into the custom presets

[rapid pilot]

ye happy days one less thing for me to do lol appreciate it

speaking of cinematics #1466478023879688213 message rain soon

im really glad you asked this tbf i always worry im gonna make somewthing or start making something as someone else is lol

oh actually i did make a diagram of the compass with sliders that would move the camera to a selected locastion so you could see where it was gonna go it didnt really work thow but might help

[celest sundial]

im working on a mod that automatically creates tickets in a web gui for server owners so they dont need to gather data from multiple sources on griefers before banning and other moderator actions. The ticket system will build a ticket for the incident. it prevents spam by creating one ticket per offending players and lists out the incidents and whether they had been kicked from the server before and chat logs leading up to the friendly fire

[rapid pilot]

interesting i looked into multiplayer safety measures recentley because of my draw on the map mod i am very reluctant to allow anybody and everybody to draw because well we all know why so i was looking at a whitelist and block system glad to see others are taking multiplayer measures serious too

[celest sundial]

lol yeah and whitelist would be good, it can create a sort or private room and peers that have others keys can be connected to the drawing session

I would say steamid but then in theory i could just join a lobby and find someone's steam account copy their id and reconnect and would i have a chance at seeing the enemies drawing?

revealing info

[rapid pilot]

i was looking at atomic framework actually have a mock up already made but im still figuring out atomic tbf seems very useful

[halcyon notch]

IDK if this helps https://github.com/TYKUHN2/AtomicFramework/wiki

[rapid pilot]

oh yeah ive been all over that im new to coding in general so i keep making little mistakes and forgetting small things lol

[celest sundial]

very basic rn but this is built into the mod itself

so theres no extra programs you need to run. just the bepinex mod and users can set friendly fire limits per type of vehicle whether its a ship, vehicle, or aircraft

[rapid pilot]

Ui is very nice I personally hate making ui it’s one of the only things I’ll let ai do fully lol

[halcyon notch]

All my "nice" webapps used React and Bootstrap. Do with that what you will

[frigid tendon]

doing everything i can to put off doing UI, both NOX's web ui and unity ui stuff

i hate ui i hate ui i hate ui

though i wanna make a proper squads system for NO so you can have parties, party chat, etc

well, a simple addition is adding a timer for the next nuke lol

[rapid pilot]

Have you looked into atomic framework for multiplayer?

[frigid tendon]

hm?

[rapid pilot]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467160830742106216 I’m only just learning to use it myself but seems very good

It would in theory solve the squad chat

[frigid tendon]

oh i've been working on my own networking, oops lol

[rapid pilot]

Hahahaha fair enough

[frigid tendon]

lemme make sure it won't conflict with atomicframework lol

should be fine lol

[frigid tendon]

where do i know this author from lol

[rapid pilot]

He’s in chat a decent bit tbf

[frigid tendon]

i just swear i've seen the name elsewhere lol

[rapid pilot]

Ah no idea lol

[halcyon notch]

I wouldn't know lol. I use this name virtually everywhere, but this pfp was made by me for discord.

[celest sundial]

server panel has auto moderation built into the panel as an opt in option now

testing phase so willbe updated and change a bit

[shell eagle]

Unironically that’s doable for me, but its also probably not worth it.

Thanks for letting me know tho

[shell eagle]

Right, but you say that like its a matter of doing business.

Comissioning mods is bad business in general, there‘s no ROI.

[shell eagle]

Also as someone who mods another game (that, fun fact, is also unfinished), I am very much aware this sort of stuff is a Passion project 90% of the time. But that doesnt stop people from being willing to do it for money.

And well, a turret fighter is a Passion project for me

[manic marten]

its not about that, its more like you get a mod commissioned, and then 2 weeks later it might no longer work because underlying system drastically changed. would you be willing to pay someone every patch to keep it fixed?

[shell eagle]

Bluntly put, I‘d assume maintenance work to be generally a lot simpler then the full creation.

I also don‘t play this game all of the time. So I could pay them to update it if it doesnt work whenever I‘m playing.

Given it would, presumably, be a lot cheaper due to the reduced workload, that sounds fair to me.

But I suppose I will wait anyways

[manic marten]

the risk on maintenance complexity is more like 50:50 imo

[shell eagle]

Hum

How much do the aircraft change on a per Update Basis?

[manic marten]

if the developers decide they need to completely rework one or more core system inside the game that impacts everything, it could result in a lot of rework for any mod

historically this hasn't happened a lot recently as far as I can remember but given the nature of early access, the probability is way higher than zero

[halcyon notch]

flash backs to dedicated server reworking the player class

[manic marten]

modders on patch day: 🫠

[halcyon notch]

Mirage also changed a lot around the same time requiring quite a bit of rework in AtomicFramework

Also changed again n 0.32.4

[celest sundial]

The days of only modded dedicated servers and getting just the server itself working again let alone all the moderation tools

[random otter]

How do you install NOMM

[rapid pilot]

erm download and run it?

download the portable one

https://github.com/Combat787/NOMM/releases/download/3.0.0/Nuclear.Option.Mod.Manager-portable-3.0.0.zip

[random otter]

there seems to be nothing to run

[rapid pilot]

youve got the wrong version portable you need that link downloads the latest one

[random otter]

right

thank you

i now have to remove bepinex and reinstall it with the app right?

nevermind

[rapid pilot]

no it should find the folder and mods already insyalled

[halcyon notch]

Mono.Cecil somehow being more concise than MetadataLoadContext and System.Reflection

[shy pebble]

I warn my loved ones in advance that I simply won't exist for the 24 hours after the update

[waxen owl]

But your mod still works despite some error logs:

[rapid pilot]

When people tell me the update broke them I will simply say no it didn’t and gaslight them

[blazing berry]

I can work on that. A multiturret gunship and a B36 inspired strategic bomber with multiple turrets is doable, and I can set up the bomber turrets to engage missiles if the game supports it

[halcyon notch]

Discord flashing up a notification for a react for 0.56 seconds before deleting it completely.

[halcyon notch]

Pagination sucks

[halcyon notch]

I am rapidly regretting making Mod.Options a struct and not an attribute

[manic marten]

when I make something a dictionary that shouldn't be a dictionary and curse at myself for realising that i just wasted 2 hours on debugging because i made a typo when referencing a key

[wary cosmos]

thought i already disabled AI usage of the unrestricted weapon mod, but uh... this is quite hilarious to see nonetheless

forbidden PALA technology

[manic marten]

missile truck :c