[0.33] - NOTT v0.7 - Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[trail shard]

also the dev can give server owners the option to disable it or add some restrictions

if the community enjoys it then why not, this is not a mitch or george thing

hmmm, i used to sea skim easily before autopilot too, but it needs constant input. now i can sea skim 100+ km and go grab a coffee or something lolll

[crisp peak]

yeah I mean autopilot allows that sort of thing, but once you figure out how to utilize zoom during seaskimming it becomes very easy to do while also playing the game the entire time

if someone wishes to kill ships in a way that doesn't involve playing the game that's like

their choice, I guess

just wasn't something I needed

auto-jam is great though!

[trail shard]

as i said, restrictions can be added to an official autopilot, such that sea skimming is not entirely automated by the ap.

like a minimum altitude for the ap

[crisp peak]

and gcas has saved my medusas a few times

[trail shard]

water tides can be added later by the devs too, that'd be awesome

also imagine the amount of autopilot users afking or not paying attention that you can farm kills off.

[haughty beacon]

someone will just modify it to not have a minimum altitude

[crisp peak]

right that was my thinking lol

you can't really get rid of it

which is fine

[trail shard]

i am talking about an official implementation

[crisp peak]

official implementations can be modded

if you mean that the official implementation should be less capable than the mod that exists, then like, I guess?

[trail shard]

i know, but they wouldnt implement such a thing unless there's maybe anti cheat in place?

[crisp peak]

there should never be that sort of anti-cheat in NO

[haughty beacon]

poof go all the mods

[crisp peak]

right

[trail shard]

i dont understand

[haughty beacon]

minecraft is a good example probably idk

[crisp peak]

nuclear option has all its code accessible and possible to be modified, all the anti-cheat is community made and enforced atm

if they make it so that you can't make that sort of mod, something has gone wrong

[trail shard]

and any other things inside the game can be modded too, this really isnt a valid argument for not implementing ap, come on.

as i told you, the devs can make it less capable, and allow the server owners to disable it entirely too.

[haughty beacon]

i think mitch's reason is that it would be awkward for controller

[trail shard]

yeah dude my knowledge ends here, but hopefully you got my idea.

[crisp peak]

i understand, it's just incompatible with the sort of modding environment we're in right now

some server owners do in fact forbid autopilot

so that choice has been made before

[trail shard]

i noticed, but i dont know if it auto detects it

haven't tried

[crisp peak]

yeah I've never played on graywar, so I'm not sure how it works

probably just can't connect? unsure

[haughty beacon]

they cannot detect it (probably)

[crisp peak]

huh, they just ban if they find out?

that's funny

[flat grove]

is qol working yet?

[crisp peak]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1337634794040983593

or https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1457932420882894901

(the answer is no)

[flat grove]

ty

[crisp peak]

might take a bit

[flat grove]

best wishes to the modders

i know wasnt sure how much of code wizards these guy may be figured id ask instead of blindly trying

[crisp peak]

i figured you just searched QoL and got this thread

really wish offiry would change the name of their mod

[flat grove]

tbh yes i did

[crisp peak]

this thread sees more "general mod discussion" than the actual general mod talk thread

[flat grove]

im new to the modding on NO

[crisp peak]

but i wish offiry would stop causing stuff like that to happen

[manic axle]

what's wrong with 0.7.1?

[lost panther]

currently breaks the new bomber (maybe other stuff too) due to a bug with the NOAP integration it has

you can use it just fine if you dont have NOAP installed tho

[wanton dust]

anyone had an issue with heli engines not starting with NOTT enabled?

[slate brook]

i haven't had any issue with it

[lost panther]

If you were asking why I didnt fix 0.7.1
He didn't release the code for it (yet?)

[indigo kayak]

So its just the autopilot mod that breaks it?

as far as you can tell?

[lost panther]

the autopilot mod moved code around with the latest update, NOTT still expects it in the old locations causing errors

As far as I can tell thats the only issue with it. After fixing that it worked as expected again

[umbral stirrup]

hey yall 🙂

first thanks Skorpnok for all the help !

second, I'm uploading the DDL as we speak !

.

New update : Version 0.7.1.1

➡️ Download here

Bugs fixed

• Fixed NOAutopilot integration

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

[drowsy linden]

ty!

[fast palm]

Thank you George, greatly appreciated

[carmine shuttle]

auto

[balmy bramble]

hey i installed this last version and it seems to have the same problem with modded aircraft as before but disabling the cm and weapon display didnt seem to fix it

[fast palm]

check that your autopilot is also updated just in case

[umbral stirrup]

which aircraft was it ?

[balmy bramble]

it was the f-16 but i updated autopilot and it worked

the aircraft itself gets some crazy oscillations but i believe its local to that specific mod

[slate brook]

fly-by-wire systems got changed to account for high altitudes so now Aryx has to re-tune the fly-by-wire all over again

[ebon moth]

We need a mod that puts aircraft themes on a cooldown instead of once-per-mission

[modern sparrow]

is it just me or does all flight assist off plane behaviour get changed by NOTT even without NOAP

[crisp peak]

i was experiencing some very wobbly FBW behavior tonight and i'm going to figure out which mod it was in the morning, but i'm not sure if that's the sort of thing you might be talking about (i really hope it isn't NOTT causing it)

[modern sparrow]

It is wobbly behaviour in the flight assist off vortex and compasses

[crisp peak]

this is what I was experiencing

it'll probably be twelve hours or so before i can figure out what mod was causing it

but i noticed it in the medusa, ifrit, and possibly even the chicane

[modern sparrow]

ah no

my issue is specifically flight assist off behaviour stability after i begin manouvering

[crisp peak]

interesting

i didn't notice that specifically but my controls were pretty off as you can see

[half beacon]

i had the medusa wobbling without nott

actually the only mod running was thirdpersonhud

[crisp peak]

ahah! and people have been so certain it's a mod issue!

i was vaguely suspicious of vanilla causing it

they messed with the high altitude FBW again this patch or something and this could be a side effect

i'll have to do more science in the morning and come back to the discord with the results, it seems pretty easy to test

there's going to be a lot of weird issues this update...

[half beacon]

seemed very consistent if keyboard steering at high alt

[spark parcel]

yep saw two people yesterday after update right away mentioning medusa is incredibly wobbly

it's incredibly easy to test whether it's a mod issue too so not sure why people blamed it on that so quick

to confirm just went and opened a NO instance with no mods (even bepinex completely removed), pure vanilla, put a medusa up at ~9950m atl with 600 airspeed in a mission editor and hit play, and could basically immediately reproduce this (but when trying the same on an unmodded instance of previous version of NO, it was all absent)

it can stabilise somewhat if you fly fast enough (>8-900km/h on medusa) in a straight line, but can quickly develop and keep oscillating indefinitely from even small adjustments, and if you go a bit slower like ~600 in your video it goes absolutely crazy while it didn't before

Also importantly set wind speeds and turbulence and such all to completely off to make sure it's not that causing/amplifying things

Made a report on it because didn't find one yet https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1493895948177375294
The difference when comparing 0.32 and 0.33 (both unmodded) side by side with this is immense

[crisp peak]

Thank you for this, and for making the bug report. It drives me crazy when I go to ask about issues like that in askforhelp and general and people just go modsmodsmods! Like. Do these people not play the game? Argh.

[ebon moth]

Hey I noticed that the boot screen for the Alkyon refers to it as Fastbomber1. Is that by design?

[umbral stirrup]

That's the name being pulled by the Aircraft's function I use to dynamically populate the boot screen

[ebon moth]

Ah, I didn't realize it was done that way, I thought you set the text yourself

[magic dagger]

you recommend using vanilla icons plus for coloring enemy AA, but what makes vanilla icons better for that?

[ebon moth]

More color customization in general

[magic dagger]

ah cool, I think I'll go back to using NOTT's feature for it because its config file allows me to specify what vehicles should count as AA

[ebon moth]

btw, this is the reason I have this request

This'll happen if targets are too far apart, which can be problematic when trying to figure out which target on there you want to deselect

[ebon moth]

Tarantula weapon/CM display seems to be missing

[umbral stirrup]

weird, it's working here, have you maybe toggled the screens by accident ?

[ebon moth]

Huh, now it works

I didn't change anything but it just works now

[manic axle]

I don't understand how NOTT could affect flight code

[slate brook]

basically, it runs into a problem somewhere before the aerodynamics get initialized, so the aerodynamics never get a chance

[heavy aurora]

Think about it as lego
You make aircraft step by step, but then you are missing a piece and go searching for it whilst the build is only halfway through

[stuck bloom]

does anyone know what setting causes the bore sight targeting be still on while in the map screen? like if I want to target something on the map with the targeting button while still having my bore on a completely different target it ends up targeting two different things at the same time so I either have to move my bore off or look in a different direction first so that I don't target twice at the same time.

[ebon moth]

This seems like something to post in #ask-for-help or maybe #1125322697317040160

[stuck bloom]

nvm it's being caused by the 3rdpersoncam mod and not NOTT like i thought

[prime knot]

Either this mod or its dependency "NOAutopilot" are apperently forcing terrain avoidance, taking my stick from me.

Can anyone tell me what option there is to disabled that?

[hollow merlin]

NOautopilot and it's gcas

[cinder quail]

NOAP. F1 menu, disable gcas option.

[prime knot]

appreciated

[prime knot]

uhh which GCAS and how do they even work?
They got double negative statements as their options

that is very confusing

[haughty beacon]

those are for the hud overlay, to disable GCAS you can use backslash key by default

to disable on start there are some more settings lower down

[ebon moth]

I wanna bump this, cause I think it is kinda important

[cold turret]

Does anyone know if the Fly Up and auto pulling up is coming from this mod? Or have i just never noticed that before? I just installed NOTT as my first ever mod and am actively seeing that Fly Up feature now

[manic axle]

installed with NOMM?

it's NOAutopilot

NOMM automatically installs it as a dependency

you can just disable it or find the config menu and turn off GCAS

[cold turret]

Literally just found it :D thanks though

[manic axle]

np!

[frosty steppe]

Isn't there also an option to adjust it as well?

Idk about anyone else, but I find it very useful, especially when flying using solely instruments.

[naive fox]

I turned off GCAS but its still there

[frosty steppe]

Maybe trying regenerating your config file for NOautopilot.

[weary plume]

also could be the "show GCAS chevron with GCAS disabled" option still enabled as well

[naive fox]

Oh that might be it

[daring elm]

I don't use the GCAS itself but I do make use of its warning

[dapper ibex]

from my very limited testing, turning off GCAS seems to stop the plane from auto avoiding (taking control over the plane), while still giving you a visual warning to pull up (useful when flying over water)

[cinder quail]

GCAS is a feature from NOAutoPilot. I do too many low level shenanigans so I have it off by default. MFD switch short should pull up the autopilot window, then the MFD navigation hat short to move around and toggle it off. Remember to press MFD switch short again to get your target management features back.

[cinder quail]

In my experience no, but I think the NOAP hud layer is on the same layer as the fuel and throttle and I keep those off.

[dapper ibex]

It has it's own toggle you can turn off.

[static flicker]

Has anyone already written here that the Alcyone's horizontal stabilizers don't work because of this mod?

[spark parcel]

Yes plenty, and it's been fixed long since: #1457938330153910440 message

When running into issues with a mod, first thing you should do is update it to latest as there's a decent chance it's been fixed since

[hollow merlin]

this has issues with the chimera cargo plane it stops it taking off (theres an EA version in the f16 channel)

[bleak pier]

same issue the f16 had lol

it's also kinda funny that even without nott it can take off at like 120 km/h and flip

[hollow merlin]

its meant to be stol because the exhaust from the engines help give it more lift

[bleak pier]

ah that makes sense

still funny that a cargo plane can damn near do a loopty loop straight off the ground

[hollow merlin]

also it lifts up at 180 kmh

[bleak pier]

takes off like an ifrit

[hollow merlin]

(4 jacknifes and 20% fuel and 2 jammers)

[bleak pier]

i had 40% fuel, railgun, chaingun and 68s

[hollow merlin]

i may have had the radome cant remember and i realised that that weighs like 17 tons lol

[carmine jacinth]

Flight assist is off by default... again

[bleak pier]

i guess that's how it is for all modded planes

minus kestrel i think

[carmine jacinth]

The kestrel is also from a different group of devs

[umbral stirrup]

I'll put a patch ASAP 🙂

[hollow merlin]

thanks for still putting these patches out even tho your a dev!

[slate brook]

@bleak pier check pins btw

[tropic quiver]

please fix the incompatibility with https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1497065625997283428

[umbral stirrup]

gotta rework the cockpit of the Chimera a bit to make it work, normally I replace System Status with the new info, but here its too small 🙁 I'll prllly make a patch that deactivates the buggy features for unknown planes as a quick fix until I get to it

[odd plume]

all my plane's monitor's are js stuck the booting stage but when i eject they suddenly boot up

[soft crest]

if you need me to add an extra LCD area for it I can do that

[umbral stirrup]

Don't worry, keep on making your great mods, I'll handle the patches 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

Could I get a log file maybe ? 😄

[lofty plank]

I'm seeing a bug where I can't read any of the weapon descriptions when I'm changing them in the drop down menu. Anyone else experienced this?

[soft crest]

this is the NOTT thread :p

[lofty plank]

OOPS

I am scrub I apologize🙏

[stuck sparrow]

but to answer it, i think those jsut dont have a description

[lofty plank]

Yeahhh they do. It's mainly the weapons I care about though. I still haven't memorized ammo amount or what exactly each one does

[night lynx]

does this mod affect gun aiming? or is it just skill issue

[hollow merlin]

skill issue (but also theres a bug wit hfps affected bullets so #1496867175804174426 )

[cinder quail]

@umbral stirrup Could we get an update to the mod (or the game) that’ll reboot the backup mfd inflight if the nose comes off and all the mfds bluescreen?

🥺

[cinder quail]

It doesn’t, but the gun pippers in nukop are kinda ass

[balmy bramble]

are there any news about a compatibility update?

i cant get NOautopilot to work with nott

[daring elm]

Update them then

They have been updated for a while now

[steel barn]

unupdated noTT caused my airplane to lose pitch authority (can't takeoff) lol

[umbral stirrup]

the new cargo is still misisng, but the rest should work fine 🙂

[steel barn]

aaah the MC260? so that's why. So you gotta update your mod with each of new airplane releases? Why? How?

[austere kettle]

It's actually hilarious cause the game aerodynamics are loaded after HUD elements. And won't just skip a HUD element if it can't find it.

So if the hud elements fail the physics of the plane just don't load up at all or incorrectly.

[hollow merlin]

yep you can fix this by disabling the cm display in the NOTT config

[slate brook]

check pins to fix

[steel barn]

ohhhhhhhhh that's actually funny ngl 😂

[steel barn]

ty

[slate brook]

yw

[proven tangle]

im not sure if this is NOTT or NOAutopilot (the only 2 mods i have installed), but ever since installing them i've noticed my heading indicator always being down/left of center, or rather down/left of where i think it's supposed to be...anyone else notice this?

edit: must have been the wind

[proven tangle]

also whats it mean when an aircraft makes a beep and the triangle flips over?

edit: found that too by...reading the readme....who'da thunk?

Unit marker distance indicator

Changes HMD marker orientation for enemy air units when within a configurable distance threshold
    The enemy unit's icon points downwards when the enemy unit is under the threshold
    The speed at which the icon rotates when crossing the threshold indicates the enemy unit's speed
Optional “near” sound cue

ig its helpful for knowing at a glance when it's within some desireable range like to fire IR missiles or smth

[slate brook]

i think i've run into something sorta like that
crashed head-on into a vehicle depot's tower while landing (it was obscured by trees) and the runway outline stayed in place on each subsequent aircraft i got

[cinder quail]

still the best mod in the game tbh

[tough spruce]

honestly should be stock

at least for hotas users

[glad nimbus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w96_TsaJmiM

I just posted a vid of my gameglass shard I made that fully integrates NOTT and autopilot. Works great with HOTAS

[severe lotus]

nailed it

however, is there a heading change binding?

[flint stratus]

@umbral stirrup fyi NOTT seems to be having issues with the new Ternion mod

[zealous terrace]

Its not configured for it yet

[umbral stirrup]

Yup, a fix is on the way ! I got the mod ready a few weeks ago but the cockpit changed a bit in the meantime

[flint stratus]

thank you so much!

[zealous terrace]

btw which setting allows me to see my active weapon in the corner of my screen and not just on the mfds

[flint stratus]

at first I was convinced that i broke smth when i disabled and re-enabled the weapon display haha

[umbral stirrup]

CM & Weapon Display - Vanilla UI - Enabled This option in Config Manager 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

You're all good ! I've cleared up some RL engagements lately, I should have some extra time to keep NOTT up to date 🙂

[zealous terrace]

tysm, will I have to reload my game for it to effect

[umbral stirrup]

You're welcome ! If my memory serves me right, it will be effective once you respawn 🙂

[slate brook]

@zealous terrace do note that this isn't compatible with all custom aircraft yet

if u try to use it with the F-16M or MC-260, the aerodynamics won't initialize properly

[cinder quail]

:D

Ternion time

[zealous terrace]

I am aware

[umbral stirrup]

it works with the F-16 !

The MC is a different thing, I have to move stuff around the cockpit to make room for the new elements

[slate brook]

oh, nice

[umbral stirrup]

NOTT : FS-3 Ternion Patch

I'll release it on Github later tonight, this is for those who can't wait 🙂

[soft crest]

I'm working on remastering the cockpit for the MC-260 at the moment, will have additional screens with one for the NOTT display, should have it done in a few days.

position on the TacScreen UV is the box in the right hand corner here

[umbral stirrup]

Thanks a ton for the heads up !

[soft crest]

[umbral stirrup]

My last big patch will probably be an API of some kind for aicraft makers to integrate NOTT elements in their designs

[soft crest]

Made a bunch of extra UI elements for it like the blown wing indicator then realised I can kill two birds with one stone and make your life easier.

[umbral stirrup]

at the very least a json with every element's position

[soft crest]

Awesome!

[umbral stirrup]

that's really cool, thanks a ton 🙏

the cockpit looks great too 🙂

[soft crest]

Thanks :D

[prime knot]

Will the compatibility issues with NOTT and custom aircraft not being able to lift of ever be fixed?

Id love to fly the custom transport plane but I dont want to disable nott

[austere kettle]

tbh that is literally what they're talking about in the conversation right above your message

[lilac skiff]

You can just disable one function in it and it works fine

[prime knot]

which is...?

[lilac skiff]

this one

[hollow merlin]

check pins

[hollow merlin]

thats not it

[daring elm]

This seems to not be NOTT's fault

Disable the Autopilot mod

[prime knot]

Humbug

I dont even have that mod

[daring elm]

Did you install NOTT using NOMM? Because if you did, NOMM also installed it as a dependency for NOTT

[prime knot]

You can continue to press on with this or just believe me

[daring elm]

I could but also the Chimera is in the air and you can see NOTT

[hollow merlin]

guys the only thing stopping the planes from taking off is the 2nd message down in the pins

[prime knot]

Sadly the pinned message didnt fix it

[daring elm]

Try respawning after disabling it? Modded NO is weird and you might have to respawn or restart the game

[prime knot]

I restarted even

[daring elm]

Damn

What is this spaghetti

[prime knot]

ill restart the entire game just to be sure

yup

Game Restart is required, mission restart alone is not enough

[daring elm]

figured

Sometimes to change a mod setting you have to respawn, then other times you have to restart the game

Holy spaghetti

[hollow merlin]

its not really spaghetti and more so some things are loaded on game start (they need to do that to work) and others only get loaded on respawn

[lilac skiff]

the info on the mod says that for setting changes to apply you need to restart the game...

[prime knot]

congratulations

[lilac skiff]

?

[umbral stirrup]

Some settings !
Disabling components needs a restart, but individual settings need a respawn 🙂

The idea being that "components" are patched on game start to avoid un necessary checks during gameplay

[umbral stirrup]

Only the transport plane is concerned, I'll do a patch that does "nothing" and allow you to take off later today !

[prime knot]

Sounds lovely, thanks for your hard work
Ive endorsed NOTT to my entire community and they all love it

What is this "nothing" you mean though? 😄

[umbral stirrup]

A patch that detects the cargo and prevents bugs without activating missing NOTT functions !

[prime knot]

Ahh that is quite simple but effective

[naive fox]

is NOTT now compatible with the Chimera and Ternion?

srry if its been asked before

[fast palm]

played with both installed (and flew both) a couple of hours ago

[naive fox]

thanks!

[ocean thistle]

Is there a way to stop the minimap from disappearing anytime you open the big map?

[hollow merlin]

always has been it all depends on the setting shown in pins

[umbral stirrup]

not with NOTT

in any case they're the "same object"

the minimap is a masked full sized map

[ocean thistle]

I’m trying to display the minima (or anything really) on another device and the only real option I found was obs streaming the corner of my screen

[fluid parrot]

How do I pull up the config display if I installed the NOTT FS-3 Patch.dll?

I want to be able to fly Chimera and F-16 without issues.

wait I think I found it in bepinex?

[ocean thistle]

Hi, wonderful looking shard, I watched your video and decided to try to get something from the game onto an Ipad and I got a stream of the minimap working, so if you would ever want to try it then its definitely possible

[cinder quail]

@umbral stirrup now that you’re on the team you should see if you can convince mitch to let you roll some of the hotas tweaks into the base game

also maybe a bug report but i sometimes have issues with the next weapon bind in the vanilla keybind menu

tends to happen with the fast jets, only with mods on, and i think it’s probably something with nott? previous weapon bind works fine and i don’t think it’s hardware because it’s only in certain aircraft at certain times

it’ll be a few days before i can do more testing and pull a screen recording or logs, because i’m on the road for work

[umbral stirrup]

I'll get a good look at it, thanks for the report !

[umbral stirrup]

what do you have in mind 🙂

[cinder quail]

the target management stuff would be nice methinks

also the boot animations

shift button and dpad for controller and shift+wasd for keyboard would be a good place to start i think?

also thought re mfd and hmd animation: i think it’d look really cool to have an hmd boot/selftest animation on spawn, hmd jammer effect or similar for a moment whenever the nose takes damage, and if the nose is destroyed or falls off the hmd crashes and reboots with the rest of the mfds, and the attitude indicator mfd also reboots in a safe mode

those are very much nice to have there’s time to work on a little side project things though

eye candy 😁

[umbral stirrup]

the boot animation could be a quick win

add in a button press to trigger the boot and it could be pretty cool

[cinder quail]

ooh yeah

[umbral stirrup]

that'd be the dream, but keep in mind it has to work on a controller too

[cinder quail]

yeah, this was my quick and dirty idea

radial menu would be the shift button, enter on target add maybe

[umbral stirrup]

I'll have to see what da boss thinks about it once I'm done with my current work 😉

[manic axle]

yay convince mitch to add more detailed cockpits 🙂

[cinder quail]

the target manglement in here is probably the best feature and everyone should be able to use it

[umbral stirrup]

Personally, I agree, and it levels the playing field with head tracker users

[cinder quail]

i’m one of the sweats that does both headtracking and nott

it’s wonderful

not too overpowered but it means no need to dive in the map screen target list

[severe lotus]

I use head tracking and NOTT and it is fantastic. Target list saving and drop/adding is amazing

I think the new feature we really need is fourth/fifth gen style map target selection e.g a cursor and set zoom levels

[umbral stirrup]

à la VTOL VR ?

[fast palm]

Could you elaborate a bit on how it works?

[cinder quail]

i have my ministick set to pan the map and the fov wheel also zooms in and out

also, while i’m dreaming: for when vr and native tobii support become a thing: it’d be pretty sweet if we could use our eyes to steer the look diamond instead of having it pointing at the middle of the screen or headset

probably a bit op though

[severe lotus]

If you use head tracking it moves with your look direction

[severe lotus]

I just wish it was a little easier to inter operate with the mouse

And didn’t cover the entire screen

[cinder quail]

i know, heh

[severe lotus]

Like if it popped up in one of the lower corners of the screen, and your could use a mini stick or hat to move a cursor specifically for the map

And have discrete zoom levels, like 5nm, 10nm, 20nm

[cinder quail]

but if there were eye tracking too, you could glance at something to cue it nearly instantly instead of having to move your head to look straight at it

[severe lotus]

This is true

Though I still think that the best method is map selection style

[glad nimbus]

It's a bit janky due to NO not wanting to export the map, and gameglass not wanting to import the stream, but I got my map overlay working thanks to @ocean thistle. tutorial to follow....

@umbral stirrup there was talk back in january here of getting the map/target cam/target list on a second screen, and I may not be a programmer anymore but by Boscali I'm getting there haha

[spark parcel]

I've always absolutely adored being able to put up stuff like full sized map on a second screen in tactical games, I think my first experience to it natively was Supreme Commander 2 that had it as an option built in, been hooked since

[foggy bear]

I'm sorry, it's just me, or NOTT is incompatible with MC-260 Chimera?

It's impossible to takeoff on Chimera if you have NOTT(take off speed of chimera is 230kmh, but it just sticks to the ground)

[slate brook]

disable the cockpit weapon and countermeasures display to fix

oh and get rid of NOAutopilot if u have it

[foggy bear]

doesnt matter

tested with and without

now will test your sugestion

[foggy bear]

also... why? especially when it's marked in NOMM as dependency

[slate brook]

because it does something with the aircraft HUD, and since it doesn't know what to do with the Chimera, it breaks its aerodynamics because the aircraft HUD initializes before the aerodynamics

so does the weapon and countermeasures display in NOTT

[slate brook]

why is it even listed as a dependency anyway, that's stupid
they've worked standalone for ages and still do

[foggy bear]

autopilot changes hud? how? it's even uses it's own menu in bottom righ of the screen. also if, for some reason only mitch knows, hud is loaded before aerodynamics, why "display gun ammo" settings don't brake chimera?

[slate brook]

because display gun ammo doesn't add a whole new screen to the cockpit

[foggy bear]

k, it explains many things

except for... why only chimera breaks?

[slate brook]

because NOTT hasn't been updated for the Chimera yet

[foggy bear]

ternion, f16, mig15 and others are ok

[slate brook]

its cockpit is particularly unique, so it's harder for the creator of NOTT to work with

[foggy bear]

Im sorry for asking many questions, but topic is quite interesting for me. Last update of NOTT was april 14, but mod works fine with ternion, that released like a week ago

[slate brook]

he already knew about the Ternion before and had made NOTT compatible in preparation

[foggy bear]

Then... Does weird behavior of KAR-BOTE vehicles also may be because of NOTT?

They just move on its own

[slate brook]

i don't think that's NOTT
they control differently from aircraft

[foggy bear]

hm... ok, thx for resolving that issue for me. then I'll wait for nott-chimera compability patch

[slate brook]

yw

[slate brook]

i just haven't used the weapon & CM display since the Kestrel

[toxic gust]

guy what is this thing call so i can turn it off

[hollow merlin]

not needed to do works with it

NOAP is fine i use it with the chimera its amazing for knowing how long my fuel will last and using AJ with the jammers

[slate brook]

noted

[naive wadi]

This should be something like 'Weapon preview'

[primal sage]

hello!can somebody help me a bit please do I need to put assets and config in plugins folder? And also I have problem the configuration manager wont open

Yooooo why this not default?it spices up the game so much

https://tenor.com/view/peak-its-so-peak-praying-hands-praying-black-guy-gif-9969548697603007069

[cinder quail]

NOAutoPilot is. The aerodynamic model isn’t loading in because NOAP can’t load, because it might not be updated.

Same issue occurred with the AB-4 on day one.

[daring elm]

It's just NOTT, specifically the Weapon & CM display option, disable that, restart your game and voila

[daring elm]

^

[spark parcel]

yea this was never related to auto pilot

also I imagine it's in NOTT's dependencies because NOMM doesn't have a distinction between optional and required dependencies, and perhaps George added it as a habit where often mods in games that have specific compatibility and features for another mod (like here NOTT specifically supporting directly controlling the autopilot), they add it as an optional dependency linking them together

since here the optional part wasn't possible, it ended up being a regular dependency that means it's seen as required and grabs it too for everyone

[plush turret]

i cant seem to understand how to configure loadout preview in the config manager.

cant find NOTT tab in the configmanager or am i missing something

nvm bro

lmfao

[rare summit]

Somehow like loadout preview... Or something like this.
Not remember correctly

[umbral stirrup]

See the pinned post for the last version 🙂 I forgot to push it to Github, will do later 🥲

[umbral stirrup]

That's the one 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

It is optional, if you remove the DLL it should work !

[spark parcel]

oh I know, you can just disable/remove it once it grabs it

I meant like marking it in NOMM as an optional dependency, so that it doesn't auto download it but prompts you for it if you'd like it
that's not a thing in NOMM hence why it's just auto grabbing it regardless

see for example Factorio or various games' mods on CF:

mod managers grab the "required" ones by default without asking, and the optional ones as a player you can either check out there and grab it if you want easily, or a mod manager might prompt you whether you'd like those in an optional mods popup

NOMM doesn't support that distinction, it's just one field and that's it, if it had a support as marking some dependencies as optional then autopilot could be marked as such (so it's like a soft reference of "hey this mod works well with this, but it's not required!")

"dependencies": [
  {
    "id": "no-autopilot-mod",
    "version": "5.0.0"
  },
  {
    "id": "BepInEx.ConfigurationManager",
    "version": "18.4.1"
  }
]

so NOMM thinks all dependencies are of required type, it also warns you if you have autopilot disabled with a red error on NOTT which understandably makes some users think it's actually required

sorry for the yap yap :3

[foggy bear]

Sorry, but no, NOAP is compatible with Chimera, can't say so about NOTT. Don't believe me? Test it yourself, we new have NOMM for even easier mod configuration

oh

it was already answered

[foggy bear]

I'm sorry, but what had to be fixed? For me NOTT worked fine with Ternion without an update. Can't wait for Chimera patch tho, CM display was a big QoL for playing with TrackIR

[slate brook]

weapon preview was misaligned due to a last-minute change of the cockpit layout

[umbral stirrup]

you're all good 🙂

[rapid tundra]

yea no mater what i cant get this mod to work with the chimera even turning off the cm weapon display doesnt do anything

hope we get a patch soo nthe chimera is awsome but i cant live without nott

[austere kettle]

just double checking but you do have to restart the game after turning off cm weapon display

doing it midgame is confirmed to not work

[rapid tundra]

yea that was it sorry can confirm mid game doesnt work

kinda sad as i planned to disable it only in the chimera

[sleek veldt]

Anyone know a timeframe NOTT is expected to update to be compatible with the new modded planes?

[umbral stirrup]

Aryx is expected to update the cockpit of the Chimera, so I'm waiting for that 🙂

In the meantime I'll do my best to release a patch in the next 48 hours, no promises tho, NO comes first 🙏

[raven fable]

just to confirm it's been updated to support the ab4?

i might just be running on a horribly outdated version

also is it reccomended to use a mod manager?

im just running my mods rawdog

yuuup im just outdated

im on 7.0.3

7.0.0.3 tomato tomato

[spark parcel]

I've been doing that (I like manual control usually) but finally switched to NOMM and it's been great, I'd recommend it
It won't mess with your setup and current manually installed mods, and you don't even need to rely on it as main install method if you don't want but it can be a great tool to quickly check for updates at least

(you might need to manually migrate over a couple of your mods as depending on how they're installed/named it might not recognise them as being the same as what's on NOMM)

[true nacelle]

for some reason the whole thing won't load in. i have had the mod for a while just it won't work now

[spark parcel]

George is NOTT also using Rewired to handle keyboard inputs? I was checking out how InputCatcher is called as a way of detecting keys (like say in TargetListController), as it seems to be different from many mods using Bepinex' KeyboardShortcut struct, as that has the limitation that it only triggers when the specified bind is used with nothing else

If any other keys are pressed, the shortcut will not trigger.
Which means if those mods have an action on say pressing B, it'll only activate if you press B and nothing else, making it unusable when say using/holding WASD to do flight inputs

This is not something NOTT suffers from (using say MFD inputs to shuffle between targets still works even when pressing other keys), and was checking out the reason so I can forward it to other mod devs

It seems like ControllerInputInterceptionPatch checking for Rewired.Controller inputs is for any input device, so that's controllers but also mice/keyboard inputs as it even checks for those for preventing input during chat with controller.name.Trim() == "Keyboard" and controller.name.Trim() == "Mouse"
So I'm guessing if a mod wants a functionality where its bound key presses are properly detected even when other keys are being used, it'd need to use Rewired? (was looking into it when helping with feedback for #1506107555754147959 message to get the airbrake hotkeys working during flight inputs too, as it only works currently when no other inputs are done)

[spark parcel]

I'd suggest trying it with NOMM( https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305) as the mod manager helps you take care of setting up bepinex + the mod properly

[umbral stirrup]

hey !
yup, everything uses Rewired ! I think this is worth looking into as well : #1483822177261322430 message, my solution works but unlike Assasin's framework the bindings are configured in Config Manager, the relevant code is here : InputCatcher.cs & ConfigManagerAdditions.cs

[spark parcel]

Oh thank you for reminding me of that one, I completely forgot about it! Even though I use it too (for the RTS selection mods for example) and absolutely love the idea as well

[hollow merlin]

id love to be able to use NOTT keybinds and other controls since i like to deactivate autoland once touched down to brake and quickly hop out but i keep forgetting i have to release my toe brake to disable it

[spark parcel]

Yea I saw when looking for how other mods do it to suggest other methods for https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1506107555754147959 that autopilot mod just uses KeyboardShortcut too which has that limitation that it only registers those inputs when no other input is also happening

Which now that you say that might be quite annoying for something where you can conveniently hold a continuous input like pedals

Could be something to bring up to https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1458083280250208307 though it might also be something for the mod's planned eventual™ rewrite

[hollow merlin]

i may have gotten NOTT and NOAP confused

[west totem]

hey which of the mods that this installs is the one that makes you fly upwards if you get too close to the ground so i can complain about it messing up my gun runs in the correct thread

or is it NOAutoPilot?

[naive wadi]

NOAutoPilot. You can disable this by binding a key to disable (or just completely disabling) the GCAS, or Ground Colision Avoidance System.

[west totem]

thank you sir

or maam

idk

thanks

[naive wadi]

lol no problem 🫡

[cinder quail]

RAH-72 Knockout compatibility patch when? 👀

[soft crest]

now that Knockout is done I'll get to work remastering Chimera's cockpit

[crisp peak]

yeah I was getting some dire issues with NOTT + knockout, the autocannon's all messed up, the warning lights are stuck on, targeting problems

interesting craft though

[cinder quail]

i’m not having those, i just have the usual nott elements missing

[soft crest]

Knockout's NOTT area should be on the main MFD on the left, there's space over the - NO SIGNAL - area for it

[crisp peak]

well this is going to be a miserable process of figuring out which mods are causing the issues then

i have a lot

[soft crest]

@umbral stirrup Should have the Chimera cockpit done soon now that I'm not busy with the helicopter. There's a square area on the left (front view of the heli + NO SIGNAL) meant specifically for NOTT to draw over

[crisp peak]

...are you sure? i have it down to just aryx's mods, blueprinter, and NOTT, and i still have the warning lights stuck on

lemme check if i still have the autocannon and targeting issues

[cinder quail]

Yeah. My mwr lights are off. I do have a danger - incoming missile text bar at the top of the middle mfd pane.

[crisp peak]

yeah I have the text too

the warning lights being stuck on is weird

removing NOTT real quick to test

fixed it by updating to the ternion update for NOTT

i think i had a pretty old version actually

from early last month

the ternion worked well enough for me so i hadn't had any cause to update...

[cinder quail]

First troubleshooting step for mods: make sure they’re up to date ;)

[crisp peak]

considering there hadn't been an update for NOTT after the knockout was released, it didn't occur to me

if there had been an update for NOTT like there was for the ternion, i would have gone for that

[soft crest]

dammit it changes the missile text to green rather than black so it’s always on

[umbral stirrup]

I can patch it 🙂

[soft crest]

That'd be great! gameobject name is MissileWarningText

[fluid parrot]

Outta curiosity, is NOTT client or

[dapper ibex]

Client or... what? (now if you're asking if you can run it on public unmodded servers, you can.)

[fluid parrot]

Sorry, to clarify I was asking if NOTT is client side, as in I can have NOTT but a pal doesn’t need NOTT installed or else they may run into like issues with not having it when joining a multiplayer session I’m hosting

[dapper ibex]

Don't think it should cause problems when hosting, when it works without the server running the mod.

[umbral stirrup]

It's a client mod, nothing's synced with the server 🙂

[fluid parrot]

Okay! Thanks!

[cinder quail]

yeah, nott is clientside and doesn’t confer enough of an advantage to justify flagging it on public servers

[random ivy]

does this mod feature a gun trigger feature?

[severe lotus]

it does not, but you just gave me a fantastic idea

[severe lotus]

Alright, I need some ideas on how to map a throttle hat with a push (5-way) to manage all pylon selection

There are 6 possible pylons and only 5 hat positions

I can’t think of a good way to set it up in a way that is relatively consistient except gun selection

I mean maybe a feature request (if we can still do those) is to have weapon selection switches by type rather than pylons.

So one button cycles through guns, another button cycles through A-G, another cycles through A-A

It still maintains the intent of having to select weapons via cycling, but removes the need to remember which pylon has which type of weapon, considering that different configurations switch slot numbers

[umbral stirrup]

My entire life is now centered around planes 🫠

[umbral stirrup]

Feel free to fork the mod or make a pull request 🙂

Or even steal code 🙏

[rare summit]

I glad you enjoy it🙂

[severe lotus]

I mean, is weapon based selection even possible?

[lime oracle]

Hello! Is there any plans to add the ability to change the colour of the head mounted display? Green is really hard to see when I'm above cloud cover and the sun is directing all of it's energy directly into my eyeballs mk.1 :(

[severe lotus]

I think it’s on us to fork the development for additional features

I don’t know how to do that…yet

[severe lotus]

Alright, I looked at the weapons switcher and the functions it calls. But I’m not sure how to identify weapons themselves as opposed to the slots

I need to call weapon names and bounce them against lists for radar, infrared, air to ground, and gun/laser

As well as a countermeasure list

Ideally there would be 5 bindings that cycle through weapons by type. I’m basing this approach off the F-35 throttle weapons management switches defined functions from its manual: Gun, AA1 (IR), AA2 (Radar), Air to Surface, ECM (replaces nav mode). Each press should cycle through weapons of the same type

@George if you could point me at how to pull the weapons list, I’ll attempt to figure out the rest.

[umbral stirrup]

sending you a pm !

[severe lotus]

Alright, George gave me a start. Would some of the user of this mod help me come up with how to classify some of the different weapons so I don’t miss something?

[digital berry]

Special weapons like the defensive laser on the Medusa would likely need their own category (maybe "SP. WPN"?). You might also want to include nuclear ordinance in this category, or make that determination a configurable option.

Utility "weapons" like the sling hook or cargo should probably be under "Utility" or something like that

[severe lotus]

I’m iffy on exceeding five buttons for weapon selection

But I’ll figure out how to do both air to surface category and a special weapon category

Utility weapons are a fair point.

[digital berry]

Fair enough

[crisp peak]

the laser is more or less in the gun slot tbh

the jammers are more of a special weapon sort of thing I think

nukes having their own category would be nice but yeah this sort of thing gets tricky if you add too many categories

[digital berry]

I suppose so

in terms of practical usage on the Medusa specifically

[plush turret]

boot screen loading forever?

[umbral stirrup]

what aircraft ? 🙂

[plush turret]

Every, I think it was mod compatibility issue, I removed a mod which I don't remember.

But yeah I fixed it now sorry

[merry oyster]

I am FAIRLY certain it’s NOTT causing this but the AB4 won’t pitch up

[cinder quail]

Update all your mods.

[severe lotus]

I figure I can add a few bindings and let people choose? it would all be the same stuff. Air to Surface with Nukes, and Air to Surface without nukes, and then nukes only.

Basically you could have a nuclear consent switch like the F-16

My current thought is it’s just a matter of keeping separate lists for each function/binding of what weapons to scroll through.

[cinder quail]

I wouldn’t mind more switchology, like a pickle button with a consent mode when in CCRP.

Problem is, nukop isn’t the game for that.

It’d unduly advantage hotas players.

Because we’ve got hundreds of buttons available to bind dozens of ways.

[digital berry]

we're acting as if HOTAS players aren't already advantaged

especially the head tracking gadgetry

[cinder quail]

It has to remain reasonably fair for gamepad and keyboard users.

[cinder quail]

This isn’t exclusive to hotas but I’m not playing without trackir again

[digital berry]

ooooo you shall look around with analog ministick ooooo

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[cinder quail]

please no i have a wife 😰

[merry oyster]

does NOTT not work with the ab4

[spark parcel]

it works fine with it

[merry oyster]

Mine won’t pitch up nor will it do the MFD thingy it does with the other jets

[spark parcel]

you either have 1) another conflicting/problematic mod or 2) didn't follow what Shira said as a reply to you last time you said this, and make sure it's up to date

[merry oyster]

I’ve reinstalled it like 3 times so it’s definitely up to date

[spark parcel]

no that really doesn't mean it's up to date, you don't want to know how often someone says "I have latest" and it turns out they don't

best way is to confirm with actual version numbers

[merry oyster]

0.7.0.3

[spark parcel]

yea so like far from latest

[merry oyster]

That’s the only one I’ve found to download

[spark parcel]

we're on 0.7.2

as per the author's post on this very thread

click the "How to install" for example on the original post: #1457938330153910440 message
The releases page shows latest on top: https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/releases
AB-4 support got added in 0.7.1

or just use NOMM https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1467341462227124305 as it handles it for you

[merry oyster]

Thanks dude now it works idk why it wasn’t giving me the latest one

[cinder quail]

Update all your mods.

And refresh NOMM.

[random ivy]

Is PvP such a central tenant of the game that you cant just have both?

I'd rather have the pickle, gun trig and all the additions hotas offers rather than cater to the feelings of the competitve crowd.

[digital berry]

I mean if we're talking about clientside mods, the cat has long since been out of the bag lmao

there's no way you're fitting all the bindings for NOTT in addition to other sorts of clientside mods on a single gamepad controller

not without some Steam Input tomfoolery

tactical camera controller, twin engine controls, NOAP, defensive auto target, target presets, war thunder control/cursorpilot, yawonmouse, unofficial VR support implementations, custom airbrake/wheelbrake controls... like damn

gamepad users are clearly going to be left in the dust at this rate if your concern is bindings or whatever other "undue" advantages

MKB users will be fine

loool

[austere kettle]

Back when I was getting into flight sims in general I did do DCS for a while with controller + keyboard.

Was fine tbh.

Would sometimes take my right hand off the controller so I could still fly the plane, use right hand for keyboard or using mouse to click something in the cockpit

yes my hotas+trackir that I have these days is significantly better. but it was quite usable

[viscid wind]

whats FBW?

and AP

[crisp peak]

fly-by-wire, autopilot

i am not absolutely certain what FBW is in the context of nuclear option, so i won't try to explain that, but autopilot is another mod on the mod forum here

[viscid wind]

Fly by wire??

ah yeah i just realize AP is autopilot

[viscid wind]

uh how Auto Jammer do? it does not work for me

still doing the normal way

ah i should've head to Autopilot forum

[hollow merlin]

you need to have jammers selected and enemy selected and a full capaciter pretty much

[viscid wind]

ohh so its not about ECM, its the jammer payload

ohh shit that really helpful a lot if im opening my map but does it work if i enabled safety mode for gun when map is open?

still dont understand FBW means to

[hollow merlin]

no clue

[hollow merlin]

fly by wire

[cinder quail]

no, but accessibility to controller and keyboard players is

[merry oyster]

They both run off the same thing do be careful

[main shell]

It'll blow your mind when you discover how many binds are available on a standard keyboard! 🤯

[digital berry]

some mice have an awkwardly large amount of inputs on them

so as I said before

primarily a gamepad issue

and the cat has long since been let out of the bag

so playing with gamepad only at this point (even with NOTT by itself) is asking a lot of most gamepads without help from Steam Input

I do agree it needs to remain accessible on the vanilla side, but on the modding side... well, it's up to the modmakers at that point.

like regardless of however you try to compensate HOTAS/MKB is always going to have an advantage in terms of compatibility with bindings over gamepads (at least if one goes without profiles on those devices)

if anything I would argue the vanilla game needs a better system for handling inputs

not being able to bind click/taps vs. held buttons separately is a huge bottleneck for gamepad users

[hollow merlin]

i mean even on my hotas since its a low end one i dont have that many buttons only around 15 i think but i do have a lot of axis

[manic axle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-CQz9uF7fw&t=2m6s

i wish nuclear option hud looked more like this

[manic axle]

@umbral stirrup don't know if it'd be a big ask, but considering how painful it was to add hotkeys to NOTT, etc, could you add some kind of official hotkey modding api? 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

For that, we'd need to support modding in an official capacity 😉 Which may or may not be examined, that's all I can say hehe

[manic axle]

yea ... but even if it weren't officially supported I think it'd be really nice to leave a little gift for the community

[umbral stirrup]

oh for sure !

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1483822177261322430

I think this is worth looking into as well

it ain't official, but it's much more clean than my hacked together "API" !

[manic axle]

oh nice! hadn't seen it

tysm

[cinder quail]

gamepad

[main shell]

This is what you wrote.

no, but accessibility to controller and keyboard players is

If you think controller players are at a disadvantage you simply lack the experience of how powerful padlock view is in NO. I would take it over my HOTAS+IR track 100/100 times if choosing based on competitive advantage alone. Nothing possible w/NOTT's binds that exceeds what someone that simply knows the spawns and phases of missions can do with a controller.

[fast palm]

sorry what's padlock view?

[main shell]

Snap-to-target, toggled via the "reset view" control IIRC

[fast palm]

Oh yeah I remember that

tho idk if that'd be stronger than be able to control all of the keybinds with a HOTAS

tho, one still can defer to the normal keyboard so, who knows

[cinder quail]

I know how powerful padlock view is, I’ve played other games where I use it.

But I’ve got the sim rig setup and bound in nukop, so that’s how I’ll play it at home.

[twilit cliff]

Does anyone else have a left rudder issue after installing this mod?

[cinder quail]

Nope. Make sure NOAP is either up to date or uninstalled.

[twilit cliff]

I don't have NOAP and use a Logitech flight stick along with their throttle quadrant with t-rudder petals, does it add more left rudder keybindings?

If you can't help me I'll prolly submit a git issue with my log

Oh and should mention I'm using NOMM

[daring elm]

You installed using NOMM?

[twilit cliff]

Yes, should I try installing manually?

[daring elm]

No, NOMM just installed NOAutopilot with it as dependency

[twilit cliff]

Yes and then I deleted that, it complained but it did let me launch the gsme

Game*

Same issue

I also disabled all other mods

[narrow hound]

is nott incompatible with the f-16 mod?

[delicate rock]

the same issue is with the FS-3 and RAH-72
it's with all the pages on the MFDs (weapon and autopilot)

[umbral stirrup]

the FS3 has been updated, make sure you have the latest version !

the RAH, F16 and Chimera are on the way, the RAH has been completed but I'm still lacking the other two

I might do the F16 later tonight, who knows :p

here's the RAH

[delicate rock]

checked if I'm on the latest even reinstalled over NOMM and it's still like this in the FS3

[viscid wind]

auto update on NOMM?

[delicate rock]

complete uninstall and reinstall

[umbral stirrup]

this version ?

you may have manually installed an older version

there's probably a conflict between the NOMM .dll and another one, and the older version takes precedence

here's my config

[delicate rock]

yes that version

[umbral stirrup]

can I get the log ? 🙂

[delicate rock]

the logoutput in bepinex?

[delicate rock]

okay tested a little
the weapon select is working without any problems it is just the Autopilot that is in the wrong position everything else is where it belongs

and here are the logs from bepinex

[delicate rock]

tested the mig-15 and there everything works normal
also all vanilla planes are working too

[umbral stirrup]

you are quite correct, that's an overshight on my part

thanks for the heads up 🙂

gotta release a patch then 💀