[0.33] - NOTT v0.7 - Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[umbral stirrup]

I think I see why

[sleek pasture]

the F-35 and modernization packages for other fighters just don't have it

[umbral stirrup]

the wya mine works for now is it calculates the ratio between the vertical and lateral acceleration

[sleek pasture]

it's not useful for most people, more useful for airliners or general aviation

[umbral stirrup]

well yeah exactly

it's useful for crickets and compass at low regimes

but once you hop in a proper airframe, the ratio of the lateral accel over vertical accel is negligible

[sleek pasture]

also, for bank indicators, generally they're at the bottom to provide a ground reference during loss of orientation

and I have no idea how to do slip lmao

[umbral stirrup]

yup, I'm refining it tonight

[umbral stirrup]

it's been cool to work with it but it's hard to find proper info tbh

yeah I loaded up my MSFS Rafale and it's lacking it too

I'm at a point where I'm considering implementing a math parser so that everyone can plug in their own function lol

[umbral stirrup]

oh yeah, one big issue I had with putting it at the bottom is this :

it will always conflict with the SA/target screen

[sleek pasture]

normal, if I long press, it properly switches

I press the dedicated switch SPD/MACH button, uh oh

[umbral stirrup]

if you press it in the autopilot ui ?

[sleek pasture]

in NOTT or F8?

[umbral stirrup]

F8 !

[sleek pasture]

same behavior

[sleek pasture]

additionally it steps as if it was in knots still

and if I press SET... NOTT gives it M550 as a setpoint

[umbral stirrup]

good catch, this feature works well for me but in metric, so I believe the issue is with imperial units, that part of the code is a bloody mess tbh, it's long due for a revamp

I'll run some tests, thanks for the report !

[sleek pasture]

np

[umbral stirrup]

it's fixed, thanks for the report 🙂

[leaden hawk]

luckily aviation customary imperial has been treating my playgroup pretty well with that menu, it's slightly annoying that the button on the right makes you bank left but that is also going on the "pull request when things settle down" backburner and i really should just be pressing the bank number to set it to current anyway

[umbral stirrup]

I wish the game had a mixed mode like MSFS, that would be the dream

[umbral stirrup]

good catch, I never used it to specifically bank so I never caught it

[leaden hawk]

you'd think positive numbers would be right bank, so i tried to change it in NOAP, but that makes the PID controllers really unhappy and breaks all autopilot (the 'invert' buttons there are more for dev tuning than end-user)

you know what, i'm right here, i have vs code open, a late night addled mind, and the logic for this is trivial let's do this

DON'T LET YOUR DREAMS BE DREAMS

[umbral stirrup]

this part of the code is an absolute mess

the visual and logic code is all tangled up

[leaden hawk]

don't worry i've done worse, and it's worth at least setting up the dev environment because that's the bit that keeps making me put it off forever

[umbral stirrup]

hell yeah

[cinder quail]

550 mach

[umbral stirrup]

I'm getting ready for the new bomber as you can see

here's everything in their current state, I'm quite happy with the result, but I still need to figure something out for the antialiasing

you can select a max angle and the indicator adapts 🙂

[quaint maple]

this is sick

[carmine jacinth]

Very nice to have

[umbral stirrup]

I like it best at 45° since the needle points exactly to the ground, but I figured that some would like the extra precision

[cinder quail]

:D

[cinder quail]

what are the inward red chevrons?

[umbral stirrup]

They're from no-autopilot ! Collision warning !

[cinder quail]

ahh

i’ve never seen them even with gcas on

maybe it’s because i’m a weirdo with the throttle and fuel off in the hud

[fading walrus]

Maybe dumb and I don't know where to look and it's right in front of me but I looked at the instructions on setting up controls, how do I do it for HOTAS though? I click the buttons I want and it does nothing. Thanks in advance.

[leaden hawk]

scroll down to the 'Rewired' binding options below the regular ones

[fading walrus]

Where is that at?

Oh in controls?

[leaden hawk]

should be in the same bepinex mod configuration manager page you get to by F1

just lower

not at computer so cannot screenshot sorry

[fading walrus]

Oh no I didnt see that, just name and bind

I clicked bind, didn’t do anything

[leaden hawk]

scroll down more until you see similar bindings

[fading walrus]

I will try again tomorrow, played all night. 3am now haha

Okay thanks

[earnest mesa]

schneet

[leaden hawk]

damn, visual studio got hands

[umbral stirrup]

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New update : Version 0.7.0

The Lots of cool stuff update

➡️ Download here

Wow, I can't believe this one is finally out ! Sorry everyone for the wait but I believe the extra polish was worth it, I'll let you judge 👀
Also a huge thanks to everyone who's helped me with suggestions, references or reports 🙌

🚨 IMPORTANT : there have been some MAJOR changes in the settings, please reset (by deleting it) your config file🚨

New features

• "Meatball" ILS widget on the HUD
  • Automatically appears when cleared for landing at a friendly airbase
  • Configurable glide path sensitivity and HUD positioning/transparency
• Slip/Skid Indicator on the HUD
  • Calculates lateral vs. vertical acceleration ratios
  • Configurable sensitivity, smoothing and HUD positioning/transparency
  • Configurable airframe whitelist
• Banking Indicator on the HUD
  • Includes adaptive scaling and notches that adjust to your max bank setting
  • The 45° max bank default is optimal
  • Configurable HUD positioning/transparency
• Per-target Ammo Conservation Indicator on the Target Screen
  • Shows a green dot below the target box on the Target Screen if the target is already being tracked by a deliverable
  • Works with multiple targets, each target will have its own indicator
• Added a "Reset Cockpit FOV" button
  • Adds a button that smoothly resets the cockpit's camera FOV to it's set default value when held
• Added a "Look at closest Airbase" button
  • Adds a button that focuses the cockpit's camera on the closest airbase when held
  • If cleared for landing at a runway, the camera will focus on the start of the runway instead

Smaller additions

• Fully revamped Delivery Indicators
• Improved the logic for MFD and text color editing, allowing more color combinations
• Custom Controls can now be bound and changed instantly
• All settings except for feature activation/deactivation are reflected either in realtime or rarely at aircraft respawn
• Added a compatibility patch for ThirdPersonHud mod to hide the Artificial Horizon line in 3rd person
• Added AA to most procedural UI elements

Bug fixes

• Fixed the reload percentage of the Weapon Display showing the inverse value
• Fixed some Weapon Display layout inconsitencies
• Fixed NOAutopilot menu bugs related to mach mode and bank angles
• Ensured no input can be used for more than one setting
• Fixed some lifecycle issues in InterceptionVector throwing Exceptions
• Fixed some coloring issue in MFDColor
• Many small things, too many to count

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

Here are the new features in action 🙂

[0.32] - NOTT v0.7 - Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[stuck sparrow]

Ooo good timing right before atf op

[spark parcel]

Found a small bug with the new version, I think related to how you can now change keybinds and such live (not sure if that needed a restart too before), and the keybind conflict feature

If you've bound a key to a certain action, if you then unbind/change it, you still can't use that key anywhere else until you restart the game as it keeps thinking it's still conflicting

e.g. quick example, let's say you'd bind look at nearest airbase to numpad1 and 2

even if you then unbind reset FOV or rebind it to something else, if you then try to bind look at nearest airbase to numpad 2 it'll say it's conflicting with something already

These are also accumulative in a session so if you were to rebind a key to a bunch of things, you can no longer use any of those as valid binds on any other NOTT action until you restart the game

I really like the idea of the reset cockpit FOV key as well, but I'm used to in other games some kind of (manual or automatic) way to fully snap back to default view position/zoom level, here you need to hold it down for quite a while (even on the max 300 speed) for it to zoom back, at that point it's quicker and less distracting for me to just quickly use scrollwheel to get back where I wanted

I'd love for it to be a "I press this button once and it just snaps back to default FOV instantly or very quickly, without needing to hold it down" so you just hit it to get back to default view and then not need to worry about it

Absolutely loving all your work on this and thank you for making the game so much more fun to use!

[quaint maple]

its always redcdommended to do a restart when changing keybinds

bepinex is very touchy with how it handles on the fly key changes, same thing with escape from tarkov

[spark parcel]

I'm aware but you're missing the entire point

it depends on how it's implemented and it can be made to work (seen it work just fine in plenty of other games too), evident as per here and it's meant to be a new feature:

All settings except for feature activation/deactivation are reflected either in realtime or rarely at aircraft respawn

rebinds absolutely work without needing to restart now, it's just the custom conflict resolution that has an issue
which is not a bepinex thing mind you, it got custom added to this mod in an update

Ensured no input can be used for more than one setting

poor George writing up neat changelogs just to have people ignore reading it

[quaint maple]

alright bro

[crisp peak]

this is also the behavior I was expecting to be possible, either instant or very very fast zoom reset, at least with the maximum configurable setting

for now I managed to get it somewhere i can have my finger on the stick so it's safe while I reset the zoom, but ideally I just want to press it once and get back to what I'm doing

[leaden hawk]

upgraded, and the new functionality i've tested survived a major operation. glideslope widget worked fine, everything else i left enabled had no regression issues. congrats on a successful release, knock on wood! and thank you again from someone that can't live without it now lol

[modern sparrow]

was the missile not tracking bug fixed?

[crisp peak]

oh my god is there a missile tracking bug in NOTT? i have been having kingpins and now SCYTHES go wandering

[modern sparrow]

i posted a couple

[crisp peak]

it's not like i can get rid of NOTT!

i will continue hoping it is a different mod

[autumn bobcat]

Are you using the BetterIR mod? I haven't had any issues with it yet but that would make more sense to have missile tracking issues then NOTT. if you'd be willing to dm me a list of your mods (exact versions as well would be useful) I'll attempt to recreate the issue and send over any of my findings.

[crisp peak]

i'm not using a mod called BetterIR, but I am willing to DM you whatever might help sort it out, it's quite frustrating to have my kingpins miss, even in pve! and the scythe was a bridge too far! give me a moment

the specific instance of the scythe not guiding

[umbral stirrup]

thanks for the report, on it !

[umbral stirrup]

I'll make it a single action then 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

weirdly enough I only have sound for this video

[crisp peak]

i do like the smoothness of the reset though, that was a nice addition, i'd just like it to optionally be a single press, I think

[umbral stirrup]

as for the tracking bug, I still need logs 🥲

I haven't personnally encountered it so reproducing it is HARD

so whenever that happens, send the log !

[crisp peak]

that game was a few hours ago, would I still have the log? i played a few rounds since then

[umbral stirrup]

have you restarted the exe ?

[crisp peak]

multiple times, I think

[umbral stirrup]

then it's gone 😢

you have the current log, and the previous one is stored as well !

[crisp peak]

tragic, I will try to obtain both video and the log next time it happens to me

[umbral stirrup]

no worries

this one's been hard to pin down

[crisp peak]

tbh i play a lot and it actually happens to me multiple times a day, I've just been avoiding figuring out who I needed to hand the info to... lemme play a few rounds and I'll get it, or kitanai will perhaps get it

[umbral stirrup]

thanks a ton btw 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

this has been fixed !

[spark parcel]

Does it happen in SP too or only on servers/MP?

[crisp peak]

what was the reasoning behind the default craft the slip/skid indicator is enabled for, btw? i had never heard of the indicator or the concepts of slip/skid, so I'm just curious

[crisp peak]

I think I had it happen to me on the reprisal mission in SP when it first came out, but I spend the vast majority of my time in MP these days and haven't seen it happen in SP for a while

[umbral stirrup]

I'll try and come up with a mission that can reproduce the issue with certainty

[umbral stirrup]

basically it measures your lateral forces (accel), in my case I divide it by the vertical forces so that it scales to it

[spark parcel]

Yea was just curious since then we'd have an overlap (both having done SP, with servers wouldn't know if we played on same)

This might really not be that helpful, but I haven't had this after 100+ hours (been using NOTT pretty much all along) and I also often have a bunch of mods active (more when doing SP, less on servers) so if you have a brief modlist of what you use (if it's long can DM too) I could tell you the differences like which mods I don't have

It's really not that great but thought maybe it'd be ever so slightly helpful that it could point to specific other mod interactions

[umbral stirrup]

never had it either 🙁 I mean some missiles do lose tracking but that is a skill issue on my part lol

[spark parcel]

Forgot to do reply on this for the above

[umbral stirrup]

oh

[spark parcel]

O nvm yea that works

[umbral stirrup]

I've had some issues with smart rwr

lemme load it up real quick

[spark parcel]

Yea I haven't used Yappinator, Detailed Climb Rate, and Smart RWR

[crisp peak]

i hear it affects performance pretty badly but i'm not too worried about that as long as I can play

smart RWR is too cool not to have, for me

[umbral stirrup]

smartrwr eats at performance

[spark parcel]

Last one seems most likely to be possibly involved in any way

[crisp peak]

unless it causes this issue, then I suppose I could go without

I had the issue before I had smart RWR, though, for sure

[spark parcel]

Not even of course that you should disable it but it might help with pointers on what to focus tests on

[umbral stirrup]

could be my mod too, but all I do with missiles is check when they start/change target

[crisp peak]

originally I was thinking of bringing up the problem in general mod talk

so i personally have no idea what is causing it and would not necessarily suspect NOTT

[spark parcel]

I was thinking even if it's not one mod in specific but potentially some interaction between them, even if very unlikely

[crisp peak]

i will play for a bit and return with a log and a video

[umbral stirrup]

thanks a ton 🙂

I'm not ruling it out either, I did have an issue at some point where missiles would run straight for point 0.0

and it was a failure that cascaded up to them, but this release has been exception free in my limited testing

[umbral stirrup]

yup, the missiles are not cached, so every frame Smart RWR looks for every missile in the scene, and Unity search functions are performance killers

[modern sparrow]

no

[umbral stirrup]

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New update : Version 0.7.0.1

Hotfix 1

➡️ Download here

🚨 IMPORTANT : for those who have had issues with bindings, please reset (by deleting it) your config file for the fix to properly apply 🚨

Minor changes

• The "Reset Cockpit Camera FOV" button only needs to be pressed once
• The Slip/Skid indicator now accounts for forward acceleration in its calculations (ball offset = lateral accel / (forward accel + vertical accel), clamped to the max offset defined by the sensitivity setting)

Bug fixes

• Fixed a bug where cleared inputs would not properly unregister
• Fixed a bug where pressing the reset button in Config Manager for custom inputs would not clear properly

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

[umbral stirrup]

If you've downloaded in the last hour, please redownload, as small fix didn't make it in, I updated the release 🙌

[umbral stirrup]

pushed a small change to the release just now, nothing major it adds deceleration at the end of the "Reset Cockpit FOV" routine, update if you want it 🙂

[crisp peak]

naturally I can't get the guidance bug to happen at all today but if it's one of those bugs that runs away when you look for it, i'm okay with it personally

will remember to get a log and video next time I spot it either way

[cinder quail]

I asked for it for the rotarywings.

[crisp peak]

well, then would you be able to explain the reasoning? i'm just looking to learn

is it less useful on the fixed wings?

[cinder quail]

The slip/skid indicator is used for turn coordination, it’ll tell you where and how hard to yaw to track on your turn path. Helicopters can easily sideslip in straight flight and I thought it’d be useful.

also it’s in the apache’s hmd :3

[crisp peak]

i did assume it was likely a helicopter only thing until i was looking in the config and noticed it on the vtols as well, that's mostly what prompted my question up there

i turned it on for the rest of the craft since there's free space on the HUD and i suspect it's something useful to some degree in all of them

(plus it's neat!)

[stuck sparrow]

sideslip and bank indicator is in pretty much every aircraft ever, although not so often on the hud

[crisp peak]

that was the impression I got from wikipedia, and was why I asked, really

sounds like something that should just be enabled by default on all craft like the new bank indicator?

[cinder quail]

slip indicator on the backup mfd in everything would be good

[earnest mesa]

my breaker trips consistently its totally not unrelated

[umbral stirrup]

breaker ?

[umbral stirrup]

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New update : Version 0.7.0.2

Hotfix 2

➡️ Download here

Bug fixes

• Fixed an issue with the Slip/Skid Indicator not destroying itself on respawn

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

[sleek pasture]

does the destroying itself solve the issue of stuck UI elements?

[chilly pumice]

İs this all out

[earnest mesa]

yeah my circuit breaker its one of those super sensitive ones forced onto buildings by regs

and it cant handle a freaking 2070S

[quaint maple]

Uhhhhh

Stop using your toaster on the same breaker.

[umbral stirrup]

aye, it is 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

oof, I feel ya

I upped my max power draw before getting my 9070XT, praise PALA

[spark parcel]

I'm curious if a certain functionality is possible from how mods' keybinds work - is it possible for them to detect when you're typing in chat to prevent those keybinds from activating?
Regular/vanilla game keybinds already do that, but I'm not sure if this is in any way exposed or feasible

[umbral stirrup]

doable ! I can detect when the chat is on and prevent inputs from registering 🙂

[spark parcel]

Currently, if you bind say X to an action in a mod like NOTT, if you then open chat to type something to the team and use the letter X, it'll toggle that functionality

[umbral stirrup]

good catch !

[spark parcel]

That'd be absolutely amazing!

[umbral stirrup]

I have a last hotfix planned so that's perfect

[spark parcel]

I'll forward this to the autopilot mod as well since on your end it's just mostly cosmetic stuff really but toggling/changing autopilot functions suddenly while typing is not ideal 🤣

[umbral stirrup]

The new hotfix is to improve the slip/skid ball's behaviour, it behaved a bit too much like a ball in a vacuum instead of a fluid

so I replaced the first order filter with a second order filter, it feels SO MUCH better

[umbral stirrup]

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New update : Version 0.7.0.3

Hotfix 3

➡️ Download here

Improvements

• Improved the Slip/Skid Indicator's calculation to make it behave more like a physical indicator
  • The Smoothing setting has been renamed to Damping, which approximates the time the ball will take to travel from one end to the other
  • Default parameters have been tweaked to be more sensible and take into account the more extreme manoeuvres the game's airframes can pull

Bug fixes

• The custom inputs using the keyboard or the mouse won't be triggered anymore when the game is paused or the player is typing in the chat bar

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions !
o7

[earnest mesa]

im gonna be getting a 5080 soon
so
ill need to switch rooms and everything

[umbral stirrup]

we're using the same functions, at this point I should spin off the custom inputs into its own thing

[spark parcel]

Absolutely amazing, thank you as always!

[quaint maple]

Bro how many amps are yalls breakers??

[sleek pasture]

20

[quaint maple]

20 is average for US homes iirc. If people's PCs are trailing breakers then there's something else going on.

At most a pc pulls like 5 amps lmao

[carmine jacinth]

Im sorry to hear about the loss if your kidneys 🫡

[digital berry]

Unless ur that one person with an Intel Pan Fryer™ CPU and a NVIDIA Portable Geothermal Heat Generator™

[cinder quail]

15 to rezi outlets, or 1500 watts after the derate

[quaint maple]

😭😭😭

[agile crown]

Single channel kidney for the dual channel ram

[plush ferry]

UMM WHY IS MY POV THE PILOT ON THE RIGHT ON IBIS?

ITS SO BADDD

im so unused to this

is this because of nott

[crisp peak]

i think i very vaguely recall that being a QOL change?

it certainly is not NOTT

[plush ferry]

either i never flied ibis in qol

or it comes with the new release

[crisp peak]

well they have a discord, you can ask them questions about it

[plush ferry]

yept thanks

[spark parcel]

I also remember reading that in QoL

[umbral stirrup]

lol, that is NOT(T) something I would do

[cinder quail]

no that’s where helicopter pilots sit

but yes that’s not a nott thing

[plush ferry]

i love this

i do NOT(T) want that either

[slate brook]

QoL mod
biggest misnomer of all time, should just be renamed to Primeva 2082

[fresh basalt]

Real

[crisp peak]

at least their discord is named accurately? might be too late to easily change what the mod is known as tho

feel like as soon as they started adding bits and pieces that made it incompatible with the vast majority of multiplayer servers it became the opposite of QoL...

sounds like a fun mod in any case

[trail shard]

well, part 2 of nicely asking good modders if they can make a tutorial on getting started with modding NO

[heavy aurora]

There is unfinished "guide" started by me on Primeva2082 server. It may or may not guide you where to start with modding

[trail shard]

awesome! I'll check it out

[umbral stirrup]

@hybrid needle has been working on a guide as well 🙂

it won't teach you how to code, but it will help you setup the environment and all !

here ya go, might not be up to date, I'll let them give more details 🙂

once you get the environment set up, it's mostly a matter of figuring where in the game's logic you have to insert your code

like for example, if you wanted super accelerated weather changes, you'd find the function where weather is updated, and add extra code / replace existing code to trigger changes more frequently

[crisp peak]

is this the guidance bug? i got the log for it this time

fired two volleys and it appeared to happen to some extent with both, the second was just to see what would happen

[spark parcel]

it's hard to tell on the second one because the other target was very out of the cone, at which point many rockets launched would be fired at the secondary target that's not in their FOV and they just kind of dumbfire, at least I get that very consistently even in vanilla, and the few that launched towards the target you're directly looking at did start to home which were roughly 50% of the ones shot at it, completely in line with having 2 targets of which one is not in the cone (and then when swinging towards the other target, for a bit neither of them were in a cone so all of those became just dumbfired)

[crisp peak]

yeah, the second volley is much more vague

[spark parcel]

yea just trying to play devil's advocate with that one

but to me that first volley for sure should've attempted to seek

[crisp peak]

i did think they would try to guide even if they were out of the cone to some extent

the first volley was just super weird for sure

i will hold onto the log for that

[spark parcel]

yea indeed, I'm trying some quick mission editor scenario and in that first scenario they definitely look like they should've attempted to go there

like that second target that's further right and a bit further back is still in range (7.2km) and almost that entire volley is within the arc circle, at least some of those should start to home towards it yet none do

doing some tests here at roughly same-ish range with 3 targets, I can fire with the arc being like here and you still see many of them (I'd say for most part towards 2 of the 3 targets) start to home towards them
(after this screenshot only like 2 that you see there travelled forward without any direction change)

[crisp peak]

i really don't use lynchpins very often in serious combat these days, so i'm not certain about some situations

[spark parcel]

yea I find it a bit harder to judge as I also don't use them a lot and find that their homing is also just kind of bad, even if they're guided towards a stationary target, far enough away, launched without any sideways momentum, pointed directly at target, some just still miss
but that's another issue altogether 🤣

[crisp peak]

having the guidance issue with kingpins a couple times in one day was pretty frustrating but i wanted to get footage lol

right they're just tough to use but it's kinda fun to spam them too

[spark parcel]

but still it really does feel like the targeting bug as if it just ignores that you've had targets there, at least on the first volley

[crisp peak]

yeah!

i think this means i can reinstall the mod that makes the rocket targeting more intelligent, so there's that at least

was real worried it was that one

[spark parcel]

O the LaserRocketFix one? Where it only fires as many rockets per fire action as lased targets

[crisp peak]

yeah, it's nice, although it's one of those things that feels a little too strong sometimes

so long as I don't play pvp I do whatever lol

[spark parcel]

I feel like it's just very fitting because of the futuristic setting, the amount of micro you'd need to do otherwise is a bit too insane, especially without NOTT's target recall feature

Surely the onboard firing system would be smart enough to be like I'm about to fire 8 rockets for you on this trigger pull, of which 4 will guaranteed just go to narnia, let's not do that

[crisp peak]

surely!

i also like that it fires more if there's useful buddy lasing going on

[spark parcel]

yea I think that just rewards teamwork and is nice for sure

[umbral stirrup]

send it away 🙂

[crisp peak]

sorry, you will need to explain some more, I think, I've just got a text file here, you want a specific section of it? how can I identify it?

i did make sure to quit out immediately after the events happened, so it should at least be pretty close to the end

[umbral stirrup]

sorry, that was a leftover message 🥲

[crisp peak]

ah that makes more sense

let me know if I should direct that over to someone else as well or if more information is needed about my setup

[hybrid needle]

Thank you for the heads up, man! 🫡

But yeah, I´m still working on the guide, at a reduced pace nowadays given that I´ve got several other things filling the bucket of my available time

Nonetheless tho that´s the most up-to-date version publicly available, and George did indeed give a good description of what it covers thus far

[trail shard]

well that's better than nothing! 😄 I like it

[novel harbor]

how did you enable the weapon hud outside of the cockpit again? like this ting

tried to change some stuff in config but i dunno what it is

ok i might be blind, i think this is it

[crisp peak]

yeah I was loading NO up and trying to remind myself/find it in the NOTT settings, but those are the settings I use

it's frequently useful to be able to glance down to see what my countermeasure situation is without switching my CMs, because with my setup I cannot switch to flares without using flares lol

so I have em both enabled

[leaden hawk]

whereas i keep it on merely because i lack memory and to some extend object permanence

[crisp peak]

yep I've tried turning off the vanilla HUD and I struggle not to look for it when I need it, it's the same for me to some extent

i'm trying to get more used to using the NOTT weapons display in particular because it's a bit more useful, but it's difficult when it isn't visible somewhere on the MFDs at all times

[stuck sparrow]

hi george

laser warning system for chicane

please and thank you

tells you when non aa ground units are targeting you

[crisp peak]

is that knowable without mods? like is there some way to tell when you're being targeted by something without radar, let alone targeted specifically by a laser?

[stuck sparrow]

yeah the game can determine when youre being looked at

[crisp peak]

well sure the game can

[stuck sparrow]

the ai ground units targeting code iirc is "finds target, begins turning, readies to fire"

[crisp peak]

but i think most of NOTT is easier/different ways to understand things you can already know via vanilla means?

[stuck sparrow]

well you can just look at them

[crisp peak]

we can see how george feels about it, it sure would be helpful to know when a tank is about to blast me

[crisp peak]

i like the unique icons on the RWR you gave in your example, too, those are neat

[carmine jacinth]

are the enemies even using a laser? because if not, and they're just using datalink, then you can't get any info

[stuck sparrow]

they gotta range you somehow

no they dont actually "lase" you according to the code but that was the best idea i had for how to tell you a tank is imminently about to blow your shit smoove off

[crisp peak]

it's true that we have the ability to zoom way the hell in and observe the enemy ground units' turrets if we're really on top of things, and I do that all the time with the targeting camera

[stuck sparrow]

they would realistically need to probably pulse you at least a flash to get a range i think

idk im not fulda tank commander

see

[hybrid needle]

Either GHPC or Steel Beasts are good for those, if you are interested 👌

(Steel Beasts might take you one kidney though)

[cinder quail]

i don’t even think you can still get steel beasts personal edition

[cinder quail]

at least one lase to get range, or get it from radar

it’s 2070, you’re not going to be using passive rangefinders when everything has lasers

[cinder quail]

Oh, @umbral stirrup feature request for next big release

you know how losing your nosecone makes your entire mfd bluescreen?

what if the backup attitude indicator didn’t bluescreen, or if after bluescreening it alone played the boot screen animation and came back?

[umbral stirrup]

I dig the mockup, I've been wanting to work on that screen tbh

[crisp peak]

if it makes a unique audio tone when it happens, that would also be very helpful! it can be hard to keep track of what has line of sight on me when I am flying through the buildings in port maris/feldspar

[sleek pasture]

how are you swapping the MAWS sounds?

[crisp peak]

#1466478023879688213 message this seems to be the file I have, but be warned that the mod author and others say it has a pretty bad effect on performance

[sleek pasture]

ah ok

can't use it then

[crisp peak]

i personally am okay with the trade-off but i know not everyone will be

right

the mod author plans on releasing a fixed version at some point

[umbral stirrup]

to answer your question @north hedge, the autopilot component simply won't be loaded

[north hedge]

so it wont stop it from working?

[umbral stirrup]

oh, it'll stop it from working !

I only provide a front for the autopilot

but the logic is from qwerty's mod

[north hedge]

sorry, it will stop the autopilot functionality from working, but the rest of the mod is fine

[quaint maple]

Correct

[north hedge]

Just one last question, I've changed it back to having the vanilla weapon selector that appears at the top of the screen but it still comes up with the modded one when I switch between weapons in the bottom middle of my screen, what part of the config do I need to change to turn that off?

[umbral stirrup]

you gotta turn off Loadout Preview - Enabled

[onyx veldt]

where and how did you do it

??

[onyx veldt]

where is this

[umbral stirrup]

in Config Manager 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

So, I've decided what the next major feature will be !

Per-platform presets

be it visual or functional

the presets will be in JSON or equivalent, I haven't decided yet

[cinder quail]

ooooh

does that mean we’ll go to one cfg file for the mod that lists all the features and settings for each aircraft?

Oh @umbral stirrup you know how we have all the softkeys when we bring the map up into view on the HMD?

:>

or maybe if the map view is up the mfd hat could highlight all those softkeys instead of doing target management

press and hold left and it snaps to the left softkeys, press up or down to move through the row of keys, press in to activate that softkey and move the cursor into that submenu, press and hold right to exit the submenu

then i wouldn’t need to touch my mouse at all even to change hud modes

[slate brook]

@umbral stirrup could this be possible?

[sleek pasture]

most modern military craft are hardened against electromagnetic pulses like those generated by nukes, so no, that wouldn't happen

not realistically anyways

[cinder quail]

it’s a game and it’d be a cool and interesting visual effect

half the game is made of handwavium anyway

why don’t all aircraft have active phased array radars with a scan width of 170°, for example

[spark parcel]

o yea I started using this mod btw since a week or so now to see if it causes the guidance to stop working, it hasn't yet at least! just one extra little element tested that you were using

I like the mod's idea but I'll probably stop it because the performance hit is there (where I'd normally drop to around 60 FPS with ~40 players it's now down to more like 30), and while I find the custom sounds really cool unfortunately it has a huge issue where it doesn't care if a closing in missile is actually locked on you or not and plays the sound anyway, throwing away all advantage and instead misleads you (you hear gradual pitching up, and then suddenly it pitches up way faster panicking you only to realise nope it's another missile going near you that's not for you)

can't wait for it to get its fixed release as well though!

[cinder quail]

and a range of 300+ km

[spark parcel]

yea I agree some stuff just has to also feel nice and fitting for gameplay fun
I think it'd be cool to see effects of the thematical endgame weapons of the game so you can feel the grand effect more like that

[crisp peak]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1480947619919298734 it actually got fixed yesterday morning

[spark parcel]

wtf what a timing 😭 I just came to this server to have a look at all the mod updates after not checking for a couple days

thank you!

[crisp peak]

seems fine to me but I was tolerating the previous version too

[sleek pasture]

you can be caught in the cone of a missile radar and get RWR pings IRL but the mod behavior isn't realistic

[cinder quail]

yeah, momentary glitch effect, crash, and then playing the boot animation would be good for the effect of ‘this is a nuke with a big emp’

[spark parcel]

yea the performance drop alone is not that bad for me (would be worth the extra feature) I just found it a shame with the sounds not caring when a missile is coming for me or not, not sure if that was a skill/conflict issue on my end or not

[spark parcel]

well yea but big point is pretty sure it downgrades from vanilla where you don't have that happen which is a rather big annoyance

[cinder quail]

radiation effects don’t affect gameplay because with bombs of this size the prompt radiation blast is smaller than the fireball anyway, and you can’t really simulate ARS or cancer in a game this fast-paced and have it be fun

[crisp peak]

i actually never noticed it starting up the noises on missiles not intended for me, that's odd

[cinder quail]

so then you’ve only got like - geiger clicks or a radiation trefoil if you’re on the ground in a nuclear crater

[spark parcel]

hm interesting and good to know, I should maybe look more into it (and just also try the fixed version anyway) as it might've been some bug/conflict on my end

when flying over hectic battles, it can go wooooOEEEEUEUUWooooooEEEEEEEoooooooooOOOOOooEEEEEEUUIIII basically because you have that scythe/scimitar slowly rising from quite a while away but then other missiles are launched like 6000m under you targeting entirely different planes but because they're closing in towards you it'd just act like those were about to hit

[sleek pasture]

yeah I'm just looking towards making audio packs for GAS

I have one in the works

[crisp peak]

i believe there was some very strange behavior for the first few seconds that radar missiles were launched, but it would even out once they were moving - i did notice that, and they were always missiles intended for me

i don't immediately recall if i noticed it for IR missiles too but it's brief if so

[spark parcel]

yea I think this is mostly like say a scimitar being at 50km beeping at me, but then an enemy plane flying within like 7km but 5000m beneath me shooting at someone far behind me when they launch a scythe or something it'd think oh that's about to hit me

[crisp peak]

strange, it doesn't sound like what I am talking about

[spark parcel]

and yea was not sure about IR as those are quite brief anyway

it might actually also have been influenced by how I usually fly medusa and am intercepting all scythes/scimitars going for friendlies so they suddenly change course to me

so there's more changes of what does or doesn't come to me

[crisp peak]

i don't know how it would interact with HOJ, you were playing on one of the servers with that in place?

[spark parcel]

yep some servers that are still not updated and have HOJ still

[crisp peak]

i play medusa the same way, but i wasn't experiencing it

that may not have been tested at all

with the mod

[spark parcel]

oh interesting, yea that's good to know at least so it's neither intended nor has to be this way

I'll do more testing with the updated version, thank you greatly for the input!

[crisp peak]

might make sense to ping the author of that over here, but you're talking about the previous version anyways

[spark parcel]

yup ideally I'm not bothering them about some edge case that's possibly related to an older server + newer client

[crisp peak]

(rip george)

lmao

we love you george

[spark parcel]

george the goat

also super random but found it funny that it happened like 10 times now that I had an idea about a mod suggestion, go into that mod's channel, and see you suggesting/talking about it like 2 hours before, so sometimes I'd just look up at where you talked here in mods and get some great suggestions to try 😂

[crisp peak]

lol, i find myself wandering the mod forums pretty often, there's so many interesting ways to change the game without it really making it unfair

not everything stays in my game, but it's all interesting to try

[spark parcel]

yep love the tons of nice accessibility/UI stuff

[crisp peak]

big fan of many of the audio things too

i wish there was a mod that added interesting rumble for my controller

[spark parcel]

yea really helps you set up a personalised way to process information feedback, everyone's different with it

ooh that could be a great source of feedback as well!

[crisp peak]

i wish the game would talk back to my hands

[spark parcel]

really helps to personalise and offload it so that you're not overwhelmed by just one type of sense

[crisp peak]

but for now that is the domain of hotas

[spark parcel]

imagine lil rumbling haptic feedback under keyboard keys

[crisp peak]

now that would be interesting, different amounts of rumble under different keys

[spark parcel]

was just checking the new version out and seems to have mostly solved FPS penalty and:

it is practically the same mod just more robust for fps and a reworked priority system
and by reworked i mean it never existed and is a miracle the game did it itself
it's perhaps possible I was experiencing some edge cases based on that and it was erroneously switching between which missile to focus on when multiple were inbound

[crisp peak]

iirc george popped in once when that mod was being talked about and said it was paying attention to all projectiles/missiles on the map? something along those lines

[spark parcel]

have you experienced more loss of guidance to launched stuff recently?

[crisp peak]

that was the cause of the performance issues

[spark parcel]

ah yea that makes sense so that might've been the cause to both kind of

[crisp peak]

no, there was about a week where i was experiencing it annoyingly often, and then it happened to me twice in one day and I caught both on video, but i haven't noticed it since

[spark parcel]

oh yea very weird, I'm really hoping it might've been some weird edge case of something on servers / game versions (on either server/client) / weird interaction between various mods that got resolved after certain mod updates

and that it'll not come back

[crisp peak]

it's been happening for quite a while, ever since the brawler update, for me

[spark parcel]

oh wow

[crisp peak]

but it's been happening a bit differently over time

so i am not certain it's the same exact issue the whole time

like i first experienced it in reprisal on the first day

[spark parcel]

I thought I got a bug with deselecting targets sometimes (NOTT's deselect current target/all except current target) randomly

turns out since I have that function bound to MMB, my new mouse is a bit more trigger happy with sending an MMB so when I super rapidly and eagerly scroll in and out to zoom to select targets to jam when juggling, I'd accidentally keep sending MMBs deselecting stuff 🤣

[crisp peak]

i usually create my own problems with NOTT, particularly with countermeasures, but george is innocent in all of it afaik

some of it is from the game itself for sure

[spark parcel]

yep

[crisp peak]

damned click and hold delays...

and the way some sort of game logic is tied to fps

these two things are frustrating sometimes

[spark parcel]

yea one big downside of mouse stuff, with lower FPS = faster camera movement

[crisp peak]

thankfully with head tracking i don't seem to experience any issues there, that sounds unpleasant

[spark parcel]

yep I heard as long as mouse is not involved that's all ok, and pretty sure mouse virtual joystick got fixed with that too

and well my keyboard adjustments are also unaffected which is my main precision control at least

[sleek pasture]

yeah GAS is lovely

I need to wait for it to be fixed though

but the audio pack I have is wonderful

[swift flower]

I've had this issue as well. Does it happen when you fire missiles with your RWR triggered?

[spark parcel]

you mean the varying RWR sounds that seem to suddenly swap as if the closest missile heading for me is much closer than it actually is?

it's not related to me firing a missile at least because most of the time I fly medusa without firing missiles when it happens

[swift flower]

Yeah, like an R9 fires on you, you notch it and fly towards the launcher, after it fires on you again the old missle still triggers the pitch change?

Guess it's more clear with IRs. After you flare the one going for flares still triggers it?

[spark parcel]

Hmm not sure if it's subsequent firing of something far, I mainly remember it happening when there's say 1 or several still pretty long range-ish coming towards me and suddenly it sounds just as if there was one like 2-5km away

then switches back to oh nvm the closest is way further still

IRs are trickier because they're far more a one off thing, fast, easy to predict and preflare/avoid

and I don't generally do like a fly over directly over a ton of them to have that trigger back and forth

[swift flower]

Ok yeah, different problems it seems. Mine is super predictable

[spark parcel]

could just be that I didn't really notice it as I avoided those situations more

like on medusa where I'd far more often have (S)ARHs going for me for any reason I'm very far up and not at all close to get any IRs as I don't want to need to worry about those too

and then on anything where I do runs where an IR would come for me it's usually a one off and very minimal (S)ARHs going on me as I'd just avoid exposure by flying low/behind terrain

[swift flower]

Yeah I bomb lob so very different situations.
@stray mango sry for not headed to your thread
And sry for clogging yours George

[stray mango]

i am extremely confused lol

[fast palm]

hey guys, does anybody know if this a fuel indicator in green and range in blue?

[haughty beacon]

fuel time remaining and range, yes

[fast palm]

it didnt make sense, i just figured out that that fuel time is in minutes lol

thank you

[naive fox]

How do you actually read how much fuel you have left? because on the pic you have almost a full tank yet it says that you only have 24 seconds left?

or is it 24 minutes?

I guess it changes based on your current throttle?

[haughty beacon]

it’s hh:mm by default, and it changes based on throttle wait actually it’s fuel consumption.

[sleek pasture]

it's hh:mm

[fast palm]

Also yes

[sleek pasture]

@naive fox @fast palm not quite correct

the module measures your fuel consumption and depending on your settings adjusts the average fuel consumption over X amount of time

I typically have it set lowest possible so it only calculates between the last measurement and current measurement

[sleek pasture]

this gets you the predicted runtime till tanks empty

[umbral stirrup]

that would be a terrific idea, I'll see what I can do

[umbral stirrup]

I kinda dig the idea tbh, I'll need to learn Unity proper to integrate some shaders, so why the hell not 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

aye, the old version of @stray mango's mod would search for every missile objects at every frame, which is VERY costly. Search and reflection functions in general are a performance hog, I've had to implement my own caching mechanism to avoid some of these pitfalls

[umbral stirrup]

no harm done 😄

[crisp peak]

it seems to work much better now! smartrwr is a really excellent mod now, i love the way it plugs into one of my senses to tell me how much danger i'm in from IR missiles in particular

[umbral stirrup]

to every other modder, feel free to steal this, I commented it on purpose 🙂
https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/blob/main/NO_Tactitools/src/Core/TraverseUtils.cs

that's really cool !

information bandwith is such a cool concept

[crisp peak]

i was a big fan of the changes to the ingame audio that allowed me to understand more about what my plane was experiencing, as far as speed and i think AoA go? always enjoyable when I'm in an ifrit

really looking forward to rumble being present on my controller too, someday

[umbral stirrup]

that's the thing that felt the most next gen for me with the last console gen

being able to feel when I went over a bump on the road in gta felt insane the first time

[stray mango]

i look back at my first mods and realise I truly had no idea what I was doing lol oh well theyre pretty ok now

[umbral stirrup]

I feel ya, sometimes I look at old parts of NOTT and you can almost see the dust and cobwebs lol

[tardy osprey]

i rewrote noblackbox completely from scratch 2 or 3 times already, my spaghetti refining process is getting good

4th time will be due i think

[stray mango]

still a great mod growing pains lol

[leaden hawk]

screenshot of appreciation for NOTT bank and slip indicators, which i didn't think i wanted but now appreciate so much

X at 0, Y somewhere in the 300s-ish, transparency 0.5 to fit in with the heading indicator

[umbral stirrup]

glad to see it 🙂

[stuck sparrow]

PLS LOOK INTO the flight model of the chicane changing when using hotas

this is not right

weirdly it corrects when i alt tab

[stuck sparrow]

ignore the damage in that screenshot lol

[sleek pasture]

what's not right

[stuck sparrow]

this being flying straight

[agile crown]

What of that because everything looks normal for you being at the tilt you are based on the horizon

[stuck sparrow]

im flying almsot 45 degrees with a 9 degree tilt to go forward

i can only think its related to NOTT since its the only mod i have and nobody else has said anything about it

[agile crown]

I'm not seeing where it's at 45 degrees unless you're talking about the slip indicator

[stuck sparrow]

ye the sideslip

chicane isnt supposed to have that much

[agile crown]

I'd guess that's more an issue of the slip indicator being tuned for fixed wing aircraft so it might be detecting your velocity vector not being aligned with the waterline

[stuck sparrow]

no its flying like that

ius been doing that for a while

one of many reasons i dont play on hotas

[agile crown]

A video may be more helpful than the screenshot because the picture looks like it's doing what I'd expect it to be doing on a chicane

[sleek pasture]

the velocity indicator doesn't show forward flight

it shows a crab to the left

need video

[tardy osprey]

does it also happen when you turn off the noautopilot integration

[umbral stirrup]

Do you have some logs ? 🙂 I'm sorry that is happening, but I'll need a bit more info I'm afraid.

[umbral stirrup]

The sideslip indicator represents the lateral accel/vertical accel (including gravity) ratio (the ball's position itself is the opposite of this ratio), unless vertical accel is nearing zero, in that case the ball will slam in the direction opposite of the vertical accel, since that's how a ball in a fluid would behave in that situation

And the entire thing is smoothed using a second order filter

[umbral stirrup]

In any case, the next update's major feature will be per-platform settings, I do agree that the slip indicator's tuning needs to be adapted to the current airframe

[cinder quail]

It’s not related to nott, my chicane flies straight.

Step on the ball to centre it. Make sure you’re not sending antitorque from stick twist if you’ve got pedals too.

[civic cipher]

Quick question about the Camera Tweaks, specifically the Cockpit FOV. Is there a way to set a default FOV, or is that in another mod I should download?

Ideally, I would like all my cockpits to stay "three mousewheel clicks further than default". Is that behavior controllable in this mod? I do see there's something called "Reset Cockpit FOV - Speed" but I think that's not quite it. Any suggestions are welcome 😁

[agile crown]

You can set the default FOV in the vanilla game settings

[civic cipher]

Oh. Ma. Gawd.
Thanks

[agile crown]

Yee np, It's under the "gameplay" tab

[jagged tide]

How do I fix the wiggling of the hud when maneuvering with the in third person? Also is there a way to have just the mini map, weapons and radial menu on in the hud as a simpler option instead of the whole hud that moves around when looking?

[crisp peak]

are you referring to some sort of mod that makes the HUD appear in third person?

[jagged tide]

I totally forgot i said this in the wrong post

[umbral stirrup]

np 🙂

I'd like to make the map a bit more minimalist at some point

before that I have other plans 😉

[languid quarry]

roll indicator just doesn't show up for revoker, is that just me?

[cinder quail]

yeah, you need to enable it in the cfg file for the aircraft you want it in

[cinder quail]

and then restart nukop

[stuck sparrow]

video starts with hotas plugged in and no inputs, then gets unplugged and switches to m&k and no inputs

no other mods

[crisp peak]

this morning I had an issue where my craft were all yawing to the right with no wind or input visible ANYWHERE in my steam input/NO calibration/even the craft control surfaces

your issue looks identical

i fixed it by restarting my whole computer, but it was very spooky for a little bit because i'm working on configuring a controller i got over the weekend

[crisp peak]

do you have it with the fixed wings too or just the chicane

[stuck sparrow]

oh interesting

ive never tried it with fixed wings

i wouldnt be able to tell a difference though

[crisp peak]

i mean i was having it while driving down the runway

[stuck sparrow]

also this is consistent for every time i try for me

[crisp peak]

it was unmistakeable

[stuck sparrow]

yeah i wouldnt know tho

idk what the normal would be

[crisp peak]

you just look at your heading and it goes to the right

[stuck sparrow]

it feels like all the FBW trimming is just off bc it also yaws like crazy from torque

much much more than usual i can whip it wayyy harder

and have to give much much more counter torque when taking off

[crisp peak]

grabbing a clip of the evil and right-yawing revoker atm, but unfortunately the log is gone

[stuck sparrow]

!! THATS RIGHT LOGS

how do i acquire

ah here we go?

[crisp peak]

i think this is what we are supposed to get, it's in appdata

evil right-yawing revoker with no input visible anywhere (my yaw is on right stick X)

i checked my steam calibration settings as well and didn't see anything that could be causing this, but you can see that the revoker itself isn't doing anything that should result in this behavior! i picked the revoker because it would be a lot easier to tell than the ifrit

[stuck sparrow]

youy can turn on debug visualizations to show input too

[crisp peak]

oh yeah I should have done that

i think what i showed is sufficient but you're right

is yours showing input?

[stuck sparrow]

no but thats because it is very obvious and id also need to be in 3rd person

easier to see it in first

[crisp peak]

i think it's pretty weird that restarting my computer fixed it when restarting the game did not

so I have absolutely no clue where it's from

wouldn't have guessed it could perhaps be NOTT, but your issue is the same and I remember that weird brawler bug a while back

so george does occasionally do things that can cause strange behavior

[stuck sparrow]

bc somehow a hud mod changes the flight controls

[crisp peak]

modding do be like that sometimes

[umbral stirrup]

Thanks for the log ! I'll have a thorough look at them 😤

This is one pesky bug.

[stuck sparrow]

was that the right log type?

[umbral stirrup]

Player.log would be even better 🙂

Player.log, found in [your user folder]/AppData/LocalLow/Shockfront/NuclearOption/

[umbral stirrup]

😭😭😭

[stuck sparrow]

?

[crisp peak]

lol it happens i understand

[umbral stirrup]

Perfect

[stuck sparrow]

sweet

[umbral stirrup]

I'll do my best to reproduce it !

[crisp peak]

the brawler one was funny though because it was literally the first time I flew it and I was like "why can't I take off what the HECK"

[stuck sparrow]

the current steps are simply: plug in a hotas

[umbral stirrup]

For reference what's your controller ?

Any software you're using, such as Joystick Gremlin ?

[stuck sparrow]

vkb gladiator, happens on dual and single stick

nay

[umbral stirrup]

Aye, so pure unadultered vkb input

[stuck sparrow]

yes

[umbral stirrup]

I've got vkbs as well so that should help

STECS + Gunfighter

[stuck sparrow]

and ofc its only present in NO and such ive tested other games and test software yada yada

[umbral stirrup]

Hahaha, that's kinda normal with a brawler tbh

[crisp peak]

for me this morning it was happening with an ordinary controller, not HOTAS

but who knows if it is the exact same bug

[umbral stirrup]

The first step is reproducing the issue

That's the hard part

[crisp peak]

yeah, it is not happening for me every time, I restarted my computer and it magically went away

[stuck sparrow]

for me on the other hand it is consistent every time i use hotas

[crisp peak]

but it was consistent when I restarted the game, until I did that

[umbral stirrup]

It's not supposed to, the only component that interacts with inputs is the one that reads Rewired's current state, and it's obviously read only, and linked to Rewired's main loop

[crisp peak]

i believe i sometimes see people asking about similar issues in https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1253252343596580884 so this may even be a vanilla bug, which is why I didn't think to mention it in here, but if jane only has the problem with NOTT installed, it's reasonable to wonder

[umbral stirrup]

Aye for sure

[umbral stirrup]

I'm afraid I don't have enough info in this one, seems like you started a game and instantly left

[stuck sparrow]

i did exactly that yes

[umbral stirrup]

I'm afraid I need one where the bug happens in flight

[stuck sparrow]

it happens from the moment you spawn in

[umbral stirrup]

Oh okay good to know !

Just to be sure, does it also happen with only one controller plugged in ?

[stuck sparrow]

ye

and the same way too

[umbral stirrup]

Could you maybe send your NOTT config file ?

I'll apply the same config to try and reproduce the issue

You can find configs in the Bepinex folder

[stuck sparrow]

yeah few mins

[umbral stirrup]

Thanks a ton, I know I'm asking for a lot but the more info I have, the better I can fix the issue 🙂

Since I don't have the issue myself, any fix would be a shot in the dark

[stuck sparrow]

one of these

[umbral stirrup]

thanks a ton 🙂

[leaden hawk]

enough people in my sphere of influence have asked about it i might as well post here: a really popular positioning for the slip and the bank indicator is over and under the compass tape at the top of the HUD. however, the bank indicator underneath sometimes interferes with e.g. crane hook or other HUD elements; if it could be mirrored on the vertical axis, letting us position it above the bank indicator and compass tape, that would be really cool

[obtuse ember]

4444

[vital saffron]

Where is the most updated version?

[cinder quail]

it can be moved around! in the nott settings menu, f1

[leaden hawk]

it can, but aesthetically it would be easier to read as the top arc of a circle instead of the bottom arc, and i'm hoping that it's a simple enough mathematical transformation that it would require a minimum of adjument

i already adjust it to right under the compass tape

[novel harbor]

what is this sound and how do i disable it?

dosent happen without this mod

[plucky venture]

that indicates that a hostile airframe has came within 10km of your airframe, dont remember how to turn it off of the top of my head

[stuck sparrow]

In the f1 menu as all things

[novel harbor]

ive looked there but cant find it

[crisp peak]

this one

[cinder quail]

Means you’re within 10 km of a hostile aircraft. Look for the inverted triangle.

It’s not the nicest sound but it’s different enough that you know what it is and you get used to it, ime.

And it’s useful.

[cinder quail]

@umbral stirrup I’m assuming it’d be difficult to add a CCIP reticle for the rocket pods?

[umbral stirrup]

That can be done, consider it on the roadmap 👌

[umbral stirrup]

You can change the sound 🙂 I want to revamp them at some point

[hollow merlin]

does this mod have a feature where you can select units then save them and recall them later with a keybind? i cant seem to figure out how to use it

[umbral stirrup]

Yup 🙂

Gimme a sec

https://github.com/clumzy/no_tactitools/#-target-list-handling-uses-new-bindings

[hollow merlin]

thanks

-# (would be sick if you could save multiple groups at once and load them separately 😉 )

[umbral stirrup]

No problem !

This has been a common request but I'm not fond of the idea : one group is convenience but multiple groups would be pushing it IMO

I fear this would create gameplay discrepancies between mod users and vanilla players

[hollow merlin]

i see the use as say you have some rockets agm 48 and agm 68 on a brawler you can assign the armoured targets as 1 group the slightly less armoured as another and the weak/low priority ones as another so you can pop up over a hill fire off on the first group switch to the second fire on that then switch to the final one and use those rockets

[hollow merlin]

i feel like thats the case already though as even small stuff like the fuel readout is an advantage knowing how long you can actually go rather than guessing

[umbral stirrup]

That's true, but at most it smoothes the skill curve, after a while you get a feel for fuel usage, same for intercepting

While having multiple groups clearly gives mod users an ability others don't have

[hollow merlin]

its not much of one id say the same as having a fuel time readout would give you

its just saving you a little bit of time and having to take your hands off the hotas (if you have one) to open the map and select your targets vs jsut hit a button

[spark parcel]

I definitely think it'd be massively pushing it way further than any other functionality, something like a fuel gauge you can effortlessly get a good feeling for very quickly where it's 0 effort to constantly accurately know

multiple group selections completely bypass not just simply opening map and clicking a button or two, we're talking about selecting exactly the right targets regardless of where they are, if they're moving around or not, identifying them, not misclicking selections, and such groups could be very far apart on the map spread out so it also bypasses needing to zoom in (to click more accurately when many icons are bunched up and/or changing filters) and zoom out, moving map around, zooming in again etc

It's the main reason I didn't bring it up despite constantly thinking about it

[crisp peak]

i pretty frequently do crazy stuff that would be very, very difficult to do without the existing save group feature, let alone what I could do with more

[spark parcel]

The other mod out there atm that can do just this with multiple groups that I tried out earlier absolutely trivialises jamming for example across the entire map, as a lone 4 jammer medusa could juggle jamming 20+ targets with basically full uptime

yea even just the one recall is crazy, crazy good, and personally find it a great limit

[crisp peak]

i saw that and was like "hmmmmmm" and have yet to try it

maybe I should make sure to enjoy UNLIMITED POWERRR at least once before the update nerfs medusa into the ground

[spark parcel]

oh it's insane, I got them on F keys so can just hit F1 and now I cancel all stratos, F2 to cancel other half of stratos, F3 and cancel bolts on a closer range bombing run, F4 to cancel bolts elsewhere on a close run, F5 to jam their fleet as someone's arriving there

you can comfy spend all the time you need during downtime to set up groups fidgeting between detailed unit selections in crammed areas

[crisp peak]

i've only recently been using NOTTs group recall to jam 8 targets very easily

[spark parcel]

but even like if you just do bombing runs and say you want to take out 3-4 groups of 3-4 AA sites near-ish each other and you go from A to B to C to D, it helps so much that you can select site 1, then site 2 etc, without worrying about accurate targeting while flying with very little time before you're already at the next place

[crisp peak]

medusa is very strong even if you limit yourself to 4 targets lol

[spark parcel]

yea I've been spoilt by basically starting the game from start with that recall feature

[crisp peak]

someone hit me with the knowledge about using the specific targeting bind rather than clicking targets on the map with my mouse like, yesterday

[spark parcel]

and for me it's a good limit in the mod because it doesn't allow you to seamlessly swap back and forth between two selections, you can only return to one selection but then need to untarget and re-select the other selection

[crisp peak]

and i was like "where has this been for the last 1000+ hours why did nobody tell me"

it is so much easier to target missiles on the map now

[spark parcel]

yea all those various ways are great, love NOTT's selective untargeting too instead of only going from last selected, or the unselect everything except current target etc

[crisp peak]

yeah untargeting the first target is awesome in so many contexts

targeting missiles when you want to target the launcher...

really nice to have a button to handle that

[spark parcel]

I still laugh so hard about how meanwhile the vanilla default bind for KB+M has select and deselect target on I think enter and backspace

I actually couldn't come up with a worse targeting system even if I could spend all weekend, it's perfectly placed to be least convenient

[crisp peak]

fitting in all of NOTT's fancy targeting stuff is pretty difficult for me on a controller, i made some serious attempts at one point, so i had to pick the most important stuff

this would be something I could do more easily on hotas or keyboard

[spark parcel]

yea more groups would be especially rough

inb4 voice command and just yell GROUP ONE

[crisp peak]

oh yeah voice attack exists...

hmmm....

one thing that has been growing on me that I initially thought might be WAY too strong is the suggestion in here a little while back about letting us know somehow when ground units are bringing their turrets to bear on us

this is something that wouldn't really matter too much to actual planes/jets, and they are what matter in real fights

but for chicane enjoyers in pve? godly, especially with all the jank NO does for optimization

i hate that ground units have actual wallhacks

whatever they do to determine whether or not they can see my chicane definitely can see through walls and the ground just a little, i think the terrain visuals do not perfectly match up with the way the raycasts work for them, somehow

[cinder quail]

yep! i have that on my thumb hat, up long saves it, up short recalls it.

[heavy aurora]

i feel like they simply use lower LOD terrain mesh as most of the time it works good enough and only sometimes it fails to do it properly

still much better than SPAAGs in helicopter battles in WT where they are able to actually shoot through smaller mountains though, XD

[crisp peak]

Yeah, it's not a problem at all 99% of the time, but I have to be very aware of the issue when I'm going through the streets of a city, for sure

Especially if the mission maker has included tanks... They'll have their turret aimed right at me when I go around a corner and I'll die with no counterplay, it sucks

[hollow merlin]

what mod is that?

[crisp peak]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1483822177261322430

it is pretty strong by the sounds of it, but the moderators will make an issue of it if they feel that it is an issue, i suppose

[crisp peak]

Here is the steam input setup I use for one-button flares and jammers. The start press switches to the intended CM with the key bound in NOTT, and then steam fires the commands in order with the delays necessary for it to work. Ignore the button chords, those make the buttons do other things with a modifier held.

The logic dictating the delay timing isn't something I gave a whole lot of thought to, but it appears to work if I do it like this. There are differences in how this trick will perform on very large multiplayer servers due to NO's click and hold delay nonsense or something, so you may have to adjust the timings to taste and computer/server performance in different environments.

I play in PVE on large dedicated servers most of the time, and haven't had issues lately even when the performance gets very bad, so these might be usable for me all the time. @slate brook

[umbral stirrup]

I see a middle ground here

how about being warned when you're targeted, except you only get a general alert ?

like with Yappinator when you're being targeted

that way you'd still know when things are getting hot, but that advantage "dissolves" when confronting large groups since you don't know what's the most urgent threat

[crisp peak]

i think that would help a bit depending on how it was done, an audio warning would be perfect for me but some people might prefer something on the HUD or even the MFDs

i have found that the little green dot on the target cam doesn't help prevent me from firing on things that have already been fired on, so certain things have difficulty reaching my awareness, for example

[umbral stirrup]

I was thinking both

[umbral stirrup]

that's good to know, do you think an option where target boxes "blink" when being locked on would help ?

[crisp peak]

if it happened with the target boxes on the HUD, I think that would be plenty for me, though the blink rate would be tricky to get just right I bet

personally in many situations once I am going into range and preparing to pull the trigger, I don't look at the target cam unless something prompts me to

[umbral stirrup]

to be fair I'm not sure I want to add this info to the HUD, I like the idea that this info is a conscious thing you have to actively think about doing

[crisp peak]

that's fair

[umbral stirrup]

adding it to the HUD would add it to your general "mind model" of the combat zone

[crisp peak]

it might help if the boxes on the target cam blinked, it might be enough

hard to say without experiencing it

[umbral stirrup]

and I fear it would take away from the fantasy of interacting with a cool machine

I'll try both 🙂

And in any case, I could try and add some optional audio feedback to let you know one of your targets has been locked on

[crisp peak]

yeah, if there was some sort of mild, unobtrusive sound for that, that'd be interesting!

[stuck sparrow]

[crisp peak]

the lines would be very helpful but it might be too much I guess

i get so tired of being sniped by tanks with wallhacks in cities lmao

[umbral stirrup]

I like the mockup, you might have convinced me to at least try 🤫

[cinder quail]

This is similar to what EOD does, actually. If an enemy is looking at you directly you get a laser warning as their targeting computer rangefinds you and does the ballistic compensation.

[vale ginkgo]

is this mod compatible with the other QoL mod by offiry?

[eager fog]

From my experience yes!

[vale ginkgo]

I am having some trouble spawning the VL-49, and im wondering what is happening on some of the mods i have installed. where the issue is

[umbral stirrup]

Hey, what appears to be the issue 🙂

[wind jetty]

does this mod add the custom gun sight thingy thats like way better

and is mod manager needed to change parameters or do i need to edit in the text file

ah nvm there is a "how to configure" section i just cant read

many such cases

[wind jetty]

pretty sure its qol

anyways great mod I am enjoying it alot

now i just have to get used to using it lol

[spark parcel]

there's an independent version of it too that I use when not using QoL (so when playing on most servers)
it's over at the primeva discord: #1436134603277602827 message

[vale ginkgo]

I am not using any sound mod, but i think i isolated it to the customweapons mod. not sure which file (DLL or NOBP) is the route of the issue. but when i uninstalled them both from the NOMM, everything else seemed to function properly.

but to answer the question, I was not able to spawn as the tarantula and eventually anything else on terminal control. whether it be from the beginning of the match or an hour in. wasnt sure what was happening

[crisp peak]

in single player or multiplayer? as host or client? there are vanilla bugs that can make spawn points unusable in multiplayer as clients, everyone seems to experience this from time to time and it can happen immediately upon mission start, I am not sure single player is free of the issue tbh

sounds like your issue was more constant than those infrequent issues, though

[crisp peak]

out of curiosity which custom weapons mod do you mean?

[vale ginkgo]

single player lol, i don tthink im good enough for multiplayer plus my kids are running amok all around me ahaha. And the custom weapons mod i found on one of the YT videos I watched with some supposed super Dynamo. ill try to find link and post it

[vale ginkgo]

I dont even know how to make the super dynamo appear anyway, im convinced its completely broken now. I think the read me text file said it could be thinking back to it now

https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1o62qbSzUM_CGuJ44CQjlMIQxjMsppXuo

[crisp peak]

multiplayer is astonishingly casual on most pve servers and you can blend right in as long as you're not hurling nukes around! don't hesitate to jump in and witness the spectacle

i'll take a look at the google drive and see if it's anything i know of in a little bit

[crisp peak]

https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1485141053769126029 looks like it's this mod based on the google drive

[stray mango]

multiplayer pve is very chill its like singleplayer but your team arent ai that fly straight to their death

[vale ginkgo]

Ill give it a try tomorrow when im back home! thanks fellas. and i see that now, the cursed weapons. I will just leave it be for now. would have been cool to see the big dynamo, more so to laugh a tthe ridiculousness of it lol

[stray mango]

there is an updated pack not sure if big dynamos there but theres other stuff https://discord.com/channels/909034158205059082/1485141053769126029

[steel kelp]

okay so on the github it recommends the vanilla plus icons

which I am looking through the configs for

what is the difference between all the configuration colors?

Enemy AA units
Enemy Player Names
Enemy Player Names (MAP)
Enemy Units
Friendly Player Names
Friendly Player Names (MAP)
Friendly Units

[spark parcel]

Colour of name on HUD vs icon on HUD vs them on map, if you hover over the texts it shows a little description in the settings

Enemy AA units is just a blanket colour for all hostile AA units you see while looking around on HUD and on map icons

[leaden hawk]

bug report: bank off in NOTT AP interface appears to set it to 999° instead

[umbral stirrup]

thanks for the report, will look into it 🙂

[stuck sparrow]

stuff is staying on despite me turning it off

[wise pike]

It'll clear the next time you change aircraft, I think it has to do that to "refresh" the interface

[chilly pumice]

Update might have broken it

[stuck sparrow]

yeah its just broken

[chilly pumice]

1 am

[plucky venture]

KAR and BOTE compatability would be so so so nice

[stuck sparrow]

They are !!

Albeit bc NOTT seems to be broken lol

[plucky venture]

Er, doesn't seem that way. Most of the panels for the LCV-25/45 seem broken, and the tanks don't swap to the camera when you select a target

[stuck sparrow]

oh cool now it doesnt?? 😭

literally nothing changed

[plucky venture]

seems intermitant, the Tula-stuck bug seems back too

[stuck sparrow]

oh cool now it does

(????????)

[plucky venture]

race condition?

[stuck sparrow]

it works more often than not for me

i think its related to having the weapons on the mfd

[umbral stirrup]

yup !

but you can disable that specific component (then restart the game) while you wait 🙂

[plucky venture]

what setting is that?

[stuck sparrow]

and since that seems to not be working on aircraft rn either (the gleep glorp probably changed smth) it works

[stuck sparrow]

oh does it need a restart? i thought it was just a respawn

[umbral stirrup]

full components need a restart 🙂

so that they won't be patched

but that is due to change !

[glacial fiber]

With MiG-15 too

[umbral stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-gif-25569020

[heavy aurora]

Godsleed

[molten void]

Hey is it possible to change the default green for the HUD aswell as the MFDs?

[slate brook]

HUD, yes
MFD, no

in fact this is how i found the mod

[molten void]

Nono you can already change the MFDs, I'm talking about the HUNo matter what you change the HUD, not the MFD will stay the default green

Heres what I mean

[slate brook]

oh, whoops
other way around

[molten void]

Yeah

[severe lotus]

@umbral stirrup , is there any chance you will add keyboard bindings like NO Autopilot?

It helps with the streamdeck

[still mulch]

Nevermind, I ended up finding the solution to my own problem. 😅 This mod is simple but amazing, it solves several of my biggest gripes with vanilla without changing too much.

Note to anyone who gets confused like me by this part of the instructions: press F1. Maybe this could be worth a mention in the docs for people who are new to NO modding like I am.

[umbral stirrup]

They're already here I believe 🙂

Just bond your keyboard like you would your controller !

[umbral stirrup]

Thanks for the kind words 😇 Do you think I should maybe put more emphasis on this point ?

[severe lotus]

Oh I mean separately 👉🏽👈🏽 . I do weird stuff with my controls.

[still mulch]

Perhaps! Maybe this:

Open Configuration Manager (press F1)

[dawn osprey]

where can i get the dll file? too much yap on the github

[umbral stirrup]

https://github.com/clumzy/NO_Tactitools/releases
Here are the releases !

Caution : the mod is not yet compatible with KAR/BOTE, I'm working on it but its taking more time than expected :/

[sleek pasture]

@umbral stirrup for KAR and BOTE I think the issue is fairly easy

most KARs don't have a flare or jammer countermeasure equipped and that causes NOTT to fail to load

similar issue to QOL initially

[stuck sparrow]

Nott works perfectly with bote and kar btw

[hollow merlin]

not perfectly i beleive it works fine with bote but kars screens dont work

[stuck sparrow]

they do

[hollow merlin]

they do not if you select a target it does not zoom in or even display it

[stuck sparrow]

here is footage of it zooming in and displaying it

[hollow merlin]

a picture of it not infact zooming in

[tired barn]

I got the same issue
maybe we both are just unlucky

either way let's just wait for new patches
I'm sure it's already getting looked into it

[crisp peak]

i also had issues with NOTT + kars

(that's the only video I took of it before I disabled it)

iirc I couldn't see my throttle at all with both kars and botes until I tore NOTT out, and my setup requires NOTT for countermeasures so it was an issue for me

[crisp peak]

but it has of course already been acknowledged by george that the issue is being worked on

didn't feel the need to say anything

[fast palm]

Hey guys does anyone knowhow to get the fuel time remaining and range back? for some reason it doesnt appear on my aircraft anymore

tried deinstalling qol but its still missing

[hollow merlin]

check your config

[crisp peak]

wrong mod

that's in autopilot

though autopilot has integration with NOTT so maybe you're aware

[fast palm]

absolutely right lol

i had it deinstalled to try use NOTT with the F16 mod (still didnt work)

but yeah, the range indicator is back

[fast palm]

and thx too, appreciate it

[earnest mesa]

hi george, are you planning for the fb1 release regarding compatibility

[umbral stirrup]

yuuuuup 🙂

[ebon moth]

Hey, what happened to the controls to save and load target groups?

[umbral stirrup]

here ya go 🙂

[ebon moth]

Oh I see

[umbral stirrup]

Almost done with KAR/BOTE btw, Aryx's platforms are next, but in their case it's mostly layout stuff

[ebon moth]

Nice

Side note: I think the purpose of those bindings would be more clear if you referred to them as TMS (Target Management System)

[umbral stirrup]

oh it's the actual name of the thing haha

good to know, I see no reason not to change it ! thanks !

[ebon moth]

Yep yep

Hey btw, is there a way to disable the fuel time indicator? It seems to be conflicting with the one from autopilot

[umbral stirrup]

not mine I believe 😉

[haughty beacon]

some mods don't show in config manager, you'll have to toggle it with nomm or just go into bepinex/plugins folder and remove it manually

[ebon moth]

Ah, that's it

[naive fox]

LETS GOOOOOOO

Ive missed this mod so much while playing with the f-16

[glacial fiber]

when is KAR/BOTE/MiG-15/F-16 compatability

[umbral stirrup]

F-16/Mig are done, as is 90% of KAR !

[carmine jacinth]

Welcome back

[umbral stirrup]

for those who can't wait, here's the WIP DLL !
EXPECT BUGS !
Working :

• F-16
• MiG-15
• Most of KAR

Not working (for now !):

• LCV25 (KAR)
• LCV45 (KAR)
• UGV (KAR)
• All of BOTE

The non working vehicles are likely stemming from the same bug, so once I figure that one out it's all good

[naive fox]

thats why hes the goat

https://tenor.com/view/that's-why-she's-the-goat-the-goat-she's-the-goat-she-he's-the-goat-gif-10589731209361127711

[heavy aurora]

Mig and F-16 still dont have aerodynamic, but dont haste, make a perfect dll)

[fast palm]

Does anyone know where the data for the customized controls lays in the config files? are they somewhere in the dll? Im just curious if the controls we set for all the MFD, etc will stay between versions of No Tactitools

[naive fox]

i installed the new dll that was sent here earlier and I got the same config

nothing changed

[spark parcel]

Plugin .dll's don't get modified during runtime, they don't store anything like this

The plugins folder thus stays static normally, configs are in a separate config folder that stay untouched when changing plugins so as long as new version of a mod doesn't require a different config structure, it'll load and keep your existing old configs (sometimes a mod might change the config structure a lot and even require wiping existing config but a mod would tell you about that in an update)

[fast palm]

oh alright, thanks for that

pretty clear now

[heavy aurora]

NVM! Tried today with Thirdperson hud and now F16 can fly!

[hollow merlin]

custom controls are in the config found in the config folder of bepinex

[umbral stirrup]

hell yeah 😄

[heavy aurora]

p.s.s. It can fly without TPH too now lol

spaghetti code of early modding!

[umbral stirrup]

tph ?

[severe lotus]

Third person hud?

[heavy aurora]

third person hud

[umbral stirrup]

oh yeah haha

[heavy aurora]

also, any ideas why f16/mig lost any capability to fly and any aerodynamics?

i feel like its going to be the funniest stupid reason

like coconut.jpg levels

[umbral stirrup]

it's usually stupid stuff like that !

but in that case the reason was that the fallback destination for visual elements NOTT adds did not exist on the new planes 🙂

[naive fox]

really?

im still crashing trying to take off

[heavy aurora]

Try reinstalling and replacing the dll after that

[carmine jacinth]

check what version you have. if you didn't get the preview linked above, that may be why. also be suire the viper mod is up to date

[night lynx]

will the mod work after update

[carmine jacinth]

Just assume no, and panic

[stuck sparrow]

It will

[ebon moth]

hey btw am I crazy or did you remove the recoloring AA units on the map?

[stuck sparrow]

Still in

[limber ermine]

why do my aircraft break apart when i fly them with qol?

[ebon moth]

Hey, idea, could it possibly be made so that the aircraft will prioritize lasing whatever unit is highlighted with the TMS?

(Also maybe making it so that the highlighted target is shown by name on the HUD instead of the most recently selected one)

[umbral stirrup]

I'll look into it !

[umbral stirrup]

I'll do my best 🙂

[limber ermine]

It’s all fixed lol

I updated to NOTT latest and it fixed

[ebon moth]

I honestlu love the target management system in NOTT. It's really useful, and I honestly feel like at this point I should just unbind the deselect target button and rebind it to the TMS click instead, since that's used to pop targets

[slate brook]

from now on, if anyone has compatibility issues with NOTT, disable this

[slate brook]

@umbral stirrup can u pin this pls?

i've been informed that people cannot pin messages even in their own threads

[carmine jacinth]

i can back this up, as i have a thread, and cannot pin messages in there.

[umbral stirrup]

That's the one 🙂 Aye, I'll ask a mod !

[slate brook]

thx

[umbral stirrup]

@tardy osprey do you think you could pin this 🙂

[slate brook]

thx

[ebon moth]

Ayyyy man is an official dev now

[rare summit]

Congratulations new developer ❤️

[carmine jacinth]

Congrats on becoming an official dev!

[spark parcel]

Look at my George dearest with the fancy blue name 🥺🥺🥺🥺

[modern sparrow]

congrats! what will be of the mod now?

[rare summit]

Will see

[umbral stirrup]

Hey everyone 🙂 Thanks for the kind words, I'm so so so happy to have this opportunity 💖

[carmine jacinth]

So

What is your first dicree?

[umbral stirrup]

So what comes next for NOTT ?
As you can guess, I won't be able to contribute to the project like I used to, for obvious conflict of interest / time reasons. However I'll do my best to keep it up to date with the game !

I started a big code revamp for NOTT before I got onboarded, which I might complete on off-hours, but for now I'll stay on the backburner.

However, the project is open source, so contributors are more than welcome, if anyone wants to become the mod's main dev feel free to contact me !

[rare summit]

I sure you should use special UI space in Alkyon to place there CM and weapons

[umbral stirrup]

It will be there 🙂

But after that, I'd like for a new maintainer to take over the development of the mod

[haughty beacon]

i think you need an open source license for it to be open source

otherwise it's just source available and copyrighted or whatever

[carmine jacinth]

MIT license. Works like a charm

[umbral stirrup]

I just set it up !

[carmine jacinth]

[slate brook]

the GNU General Public License works too

[analog ocean]

just talk them into being allowed to mod the game on payroll time

[ebon moth]

I'd say as long as it's kept it's compatible with the latest versions of the game, I'm satisfied. It already has more than enough features and I'm not really sure what else could be done at this point besides refining existing features (like my request to have the currently selected unit highlighted on the HUD and be prioritized for lasing)

[crisp peak]

my hope is really just that the mod remains compatible with the game, in my case largely because I (recklessly?) got used to the countermeasure features present in the mod

beyond that, I was hoping they'd hire you in the first place lmao go apply your efforts to the game instead for sure

[severe lotus]

Whoa. CONGRATS! It’s well earned. Especially with your attention to balance with NOTT. It was clear how much you respect the intent and spirit of the game.

[umbral stirrup]

Thanks everyone, honestly it still feels like a dream

oh, and the mod is ready for 0.33 btw 😉

[night lynx]

yay!

the settings will be saved right?

[steel kelp]

No waaaaaay

Bossman George is a dev now!!

Congrats dude

Now add aimbot to all the guns

Nah I am kidding lol

[umbral stirrup]

if (true)
  enemy.IsKill()

there ya go 😎

[quick flint]

😭

[heavy aurora]

Congratulations man! Good luck with having access to official dev tools

[balmy bramble]

hey im kinda stupid and dont know how to open the configuration manager

can someone help me i have no clue how to do that

[stuck sparrow]

F1

[balmy bramble]

oh ok thanks

[ebon moth]

Hey, maybe man can get some of these things implimented into the proper game (eg. the delivery indicators)

[hollow merlin]

im aware its now on the backburner due to you becoming a dev but maybe something for more precision drops of crates/units as trying to drop a unit onto an objective or a naval supply crate on a ship can be kind of hard

[plucky venture]

Bro just became employed and people are already hitting him with feature requests. Don't do that.

That is how fun projects like this die.

[umbral stirrup]

.

New update : Version 0.7.1

Nuclear Option 0.33

➡️ Download here

Major updates

• Mod updated for NO 0.33
• AB-4 Alkyon support implemented
• Modded aircraft
  • Aryx's F-16M support implemented
  • Aryx's MiG-15 support implemented

WIP

• Support for KAR partially implemented (UGV & LCV are missing), BOTE support to come some time later

As usual, feel free to report any bugs and make suggestions (although considering recent events, I can't promise anything) !
o7

Since I'll probably be resting when the update drops, here's the patch in advance !
As mentioned before, NOTT features and reworks went on the backburner lately, so this one is all about ensuring the mod works for the Alkyon, and Aryx's aircraft 🙂

[umbral stirrup]

this will have to go through Mitch but there are some features I'd like to pitch 🙂

[hollow merlin]

bro im suggesting not requesting i dotn expect anything i suggest to be added but i would like it

i even acknowledged that its now on the backburner

[umbral stirrup]

its cool, suggestions are fine, but MegaShiny has a point, the vast majority of my coding time will be/already is spent on the game, so for now I'd rather temper everyone's expectations and settle on guaranteeing continued compatibility and major bug fixes 🙌

[hollow merlin]

as said im not expecting anything to be added its a nice bonus if anything does get added that i suggest under normal circumstances let alone one where someone is working on a game and a mod

[umbral stirrup]

sure, I just wanted to clarify, you're good 🙂

[balmy sleet]

is there some type of lengthy showcase for this mod anywhere

[stuck sparrow]

did you make the artifical horizon on rotary smaller? its really hard to see

it seems it was a bug?

weird

[cinder quail]

@umbral stirrup Congrats!

You should see if you can convince Mitch to give us more control options

[night lynx]

how to show the top left weapon/countermeasures menu again?

also congrats on becoming official dev ^^

oh okay i figure it out i had to enable the 'cm weapon display vanilla ui' ^^

[umbral stirrup]

oof, this one slipped throughb the cracks, I'll look into it

[0.33] - NOTT v0.7 - Cockpit enhancements / UI and HOTAS QoL

[umbral stirrup]

Notice : there's an issue with the NOAutopilot integration, I'll have to rework it as soon as I have the time !

[trail shard]

are there plans to integrate this and noautopilot to the base game?

[carmine jacinth]

He cant.

Not unless mitch has a different idea of what nuclear option is

[daring elm]

Yeah autopilot completely trivializes sea-skimming

[haughty beacon]

sea skimming is only viable because of the unrealistic radar mechanics

[crisp peak]

using autopilot to trivialize seaskimming is more work than just seaskimming properly in the first place regardless

glad that it's updated tho, the lack of auto-jam threw me off

(thought we were posting in the autopilot mod thread lmao oops)

[daring elm]

We are not starting that again

especially not here

[haughty beacon]

ok sure

[mild hazel]

NOTT still causes vanilla aircraft to not have aerodynamics

I tested it with the compass, it only flew after I removed NOTT

[crisp peak]

even with the newest version?

[mild hazel]

Yep (downloaded using NOMM)

Sad because I really like NOTT and now I can’t use it 🙁

[crisp peak]

try grabbing the newest version from this thread and not the mod manager

there might be something going on with the version of NOTT that is available from the mod manager...

[sleek pasture]

NOMM updates on an hourly basis

[lost panther]

Its a bug with its NOAutopilot integration. I fixed it locally but since the code on the github is not up to date with the released version its missing other stuff from 0.7.1 and is just 0.7.0.3 with alkyon support and the NOAutopilot fixed

[sleek pasture]

but sounds like something's going on

[mild hazel]

Doesn’t work with the latest version NOTT either

Just tested it and my compass ran off the runway

[sleek pasture]

sounds like we have a bug

do you also have NOAP loaded?

[crisp peak]

do you also have autopilot installed?

[mild hazel]

Yep

I think that might be it

[sleek pasture]

NOAP and NOTT currently conflict

[crisp peak]

interesting, I am not experiencing issues

[sleek pasture]

but

strange

I'll have to test later

[crisp peak]

i have had both installed since last night, before autopilot updated, and didn't have problems

[sleek pasture]

wiki comes first

[crisp peak]

lemme try the new version of autopilot

[lost panther]

autopilot updated and moved stuff around internally. NOTT is not updated for those namespace changes

[daring elm]

It works fine for me

I find that it was Autopilot on top of NOTT that was hindering the aircraft's ability to fly

[lost panther]

Itll probably work if you downgrade NOAP

to before 5.0.0

didn't test it tho

[daring elm]

If you downgrade NOAP, won't it just unload itself because of the errors?

[crisp peak]

yeah the solution there would be to not use autopilot

george might not get to fixing that for a while

[daring elm]

Not a big deal tbh

[crisp peak]

yep, the new version of autopilot breaks the game

tragic

confirmed on my end, can't take off with the alkyon with autopilot updated

guess I go without auto-jam for now

[lost panther]

I can send you a fixed NOTT version if you want

[crisp peak]

please do, but actually, just post it in here

i seriously doubt george will care

you can just DM him lmao

[lost panther]

I already did

[crisp peak]

did he say not to? woah

[lost panther]

technically he put it under MIT license yesterday so anyone can do whatever they want with it

[crisp peak]

then just put it in here

[lost panther]

no, he didn't reply yet

[crisp peak]

excellent thanks!

auto-jam RESTORED

[lost panther]

note that it is 0.7.0.3 with the alkyon support and NOAP 5.0.0 fixed not 0.7.1 with a fix

[crisp peak]

in other words, the modded aircraft will not work? is that all that is missing?

[lost panther]

probably, I didn't feel like going through the decompiled code to find out what else changed

the modded aircraft won't work no

[crisp peak]

not a problem on my end, but good to have that made specifically clear in here near the download

that'll help anyone who really wants auto-jam or whatever for the moment

[trail shard]

you can add a minimum altitude feature, so altitude can be controlled by autopilot, but up to a point.