#KOF Coaching

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rancid marlin
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let me move chats

split grotto
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Am I supposed to attempt to just jump more? I can try to mash but I still don't know how to mash "in a smart manner"

mild parcel
rancid marlin
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I’m sure You can understand

rancid marlin
# split grotto Am I supposed to attempt to just jump more? I can try to mash but I still don't ...

It depends on who you’re going against. Obviously you don’t want to mash on the armor grabbers, Clark and the like. That’s some whole other shut sometimes. People usually mash after the other person attacks, or thinks they may try to close in. You will even throw a plus special for instance somebody will probably just press 2B or something just cause they might not know if it’s safe or not. Or they just mash anyways cause they want to. Sometimes there is no con to mashing if they let you get away with it. Obviously there are counters and stuff, but pick your poison, get guard broken from just freezing up, or be a masher and interrupt them at awkward moments, but potentially get freed up cause you whiffed an attack etc.

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The best solution is to have some good activate defense. Try to remember the basics: they hop, use your fast high hitting normal to stop it. They jump, do your proper anti air. They throw a lot of standing normals, go low (If you can) Sweep, 2B stuff like this. They blocking too much? Throw them. Do your lil tryhard setups when you get a knockdown. Safe jump, meaty, whatever tf.

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Get an anti air? Do your lil try hard shit and go in for a follow up attack or try to bait a response.

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Now before you say, “idk how to, or I’m not good at this…”

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I didn’t ask all that. Try some of the stuff we have suggested you. Form a type of memory for the positive things that work in your matches, then if it’s a further issue, it can be worked on. It’s a game, they made it to where it can be “beaten”. There is direct cause and effect.

split grotto
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I said it earlier that I'm not gonna argue it.

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Only thing in that list of active things I don't do. Is 5A. Mainly because I'm way more likely to sweep at that distance or hop. Instead of just throwing out a 5A

rancid marlin
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That’s asking to die

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Please kill me

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Please combo me

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I’m begging you

split grotto
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I don't sweep on reaction to the jump

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It's like they're at sweep distance

rancid marlin
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Just use sweep when youve already analyzed what kind of player they are

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You know kof is a jumpy game

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Everyone will hop around a lot be careful

spring relic
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Sweep Distance = Hop Distance

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So beware

sinful herald
split grotto
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You aren't afraid of being whiffed punished?

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Happens to me a decent bit with Leona's 2C in those situations

rancid marlin
split grotto
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By them not actually doing anything

rancid marlin
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Well you tried

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Play it off

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Press something or be ready to block

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If you didn’t get hit you should be good

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Idk how Leona 2C recovery looking

sinful herald
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No I am not

split grotto
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It's happened to me with both Leona and Hinako 2Cs

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In that space

sinful herald
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Look at the frame data for moves in KOF, specifically recovery frames. Now do the same with SF

split grotto
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I know they're shorter. A lot shorter (I still can't believe how fast some DPs recover in this game.)

sinful herald
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Whiff punishing in KOF is almost always an accident, like if I stand in one place and very predictably press 2C at the same timing, sure I’ll get clapped but that’s not what we’re talking about

split grotto
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But I also know people will just press. So that's the what stops me from trying to 2C at that range

sinful herald
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Ok

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Is this a huge conversion like it is in SF or a just a neutral reset?

split grotto
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Depends on the button

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Special cancel 5C comes to mind

sinful herald
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Man if I’m getting got by a 1 hit, hit confirm than I have bigger issues. Who’s actually doing this to you?

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Because 99% it’s just a check and not a big conversion and if it is it’s cause you’re fighting Tamago or something

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Remember when we taught you how to check hops with 5A and you were confused as to the “lack of reward”? You thought you’d get a combo and it’s like…

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Nah

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The reward is stopping the hop

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This is why people mash in KOF and why mashing in SF is a bad idea, against good players

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Because you get the shit knocked out of you for randomly whiffing buttons in neutral in that game

split grotto
sinful herald
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Idk what this means

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No?

split grotto
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I mean that's what I mean. 2C into special into super

spring relic
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If you’re getting nailed on a 1-hit whiff punish, that was a big bet on the part of your opponent

sinful herald
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Not an every day thing to do in neutral

sinful herald
split grotto
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I get that you're supposed to just no think about this happening constantly. But because I've done it before. For someone whiffing an button.

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I meant 5C BTW

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I'm not a god gamer of anything. But if someone sticks out like 2C and whiffs Yama 5C is a pretty good button and 214C into poison is a lot of damage for just whiffing something. If I can do that I'd assume a lot of other people do it as well

sinful herald
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I mean if you’re able to do that then great. I don’t have it happen to me that often

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Whiff recovery is so fast in KOF, it would have to happen multiple times before I’d start respecting it

spring relic
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Which would indicate being too predictable

split grotto
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I'm not reacting to it I'm just pressing 5C at that range. Sometimes they 2C and whiff and I hit them. I'm thinking of that happening to me.

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I'll try to 2C more I suppose in that range instead of trying to sweep

sinful herald
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It’s all about adapting to the opponent

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If they aren’t doing that then by all means, sweep to your heart’s content

split grotto
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It happens a lot when I'm Leona and Hinako

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Not to much on Yamazki

rancid marlin
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Yeah I was about to say this game isn’t like SF or strive where you get the freeze frame 10 minute queue COUNTER combos lol

spring relic
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And yet, that window still isn’t big enough for some players haha

rancid marlin
sinful herald
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and this isn’t to say that I’m fucking amazing, it’s my first SF

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Its just they make it part of the game so it’s a necessary skill. In KOF? Not so much

mild parcel
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@grim crypt you there?

grim crypt
mild parcel
grim crypt
# mild parcel Break down my rustiness

I'd have to play you again to be sure but

The things that stood out:
-Neutral was alright but can use some work/tightening up, to many times where you would just mash far A and while that isn't a bad idea to stop someone's hop it's more beneficial to just calm it down a bit and be patient with the anti-air attempts

-Offense was ok but you need to vary you stuff more

-Defense was alright but try not to auto pilot it (goes hand in hand with neutral)

-Sometimes you would wait for me to do something now while it isn't bad it becomes a issue to where we both stand still and I end up winning because of the life lead or I can make you fustrated by playing your game and just waiting

-I know I hark on this a lot of you need a safe jump or learn some type of set up after a hard knockdown instead of playing by feel. I want you keep offense but I want to be guaranteed not a gamble, It's why I rolled out so much from the corner

mild parcel
split grotto
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I know you're definitely better than I am bubbles. But one of things I started to do if I think I'm gonna be counter pokes. I might run in and stop short

mild parcel
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I was having trouble getting in on zero for sure.

split grotto
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Or just attempt to throw a button around that distance that it larger. Like 2D or fD/fC

mild parcel
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His Yash and Iori wouldn't let me get in.

split grotto
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Yash is just an asshole, most Yash players just wait for feet off the ground to use that fast 2C he's got

grim crypt
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So things that stood out @meager portal
-Played neutral well for the most part
-Confirms were a lot better than last time
-Good anti airs
The "bad"
-While anti airs were good you got into the habbit of pressing to much on defense and I blew you up for it
-Need to work on pressure, stop ending your blockstrings with fireballs you are giving me opportunities to punish you with gaurd cancel roll
-Don't be timid in neutral, towards the later half of the games you wanted to just stay back and let me hang myself (WHICH IS REALLY GOOD) but it go the point where I was more paitent to you and let YOU hang yourself. So instead of being reactive all the time I want you be to more proactive with you button presses and specials in neutral

meager portal
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Yeah totally

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Main reason I was mashing on defense was to try and find a gap in the pressure because it seems so airtight

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And I think the reason I was a lot more defensive towards the later matches was because I felt like I couldn't approach your characters without at least trading blows or having my hop pressure completely stopped by a quick jab or something

grim crypt
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Oh another thing Dyl don't use Andy's target combo that much

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It's really bad if you whiff it

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I was slow to punish it but I just want you to know the risk of it

meager portal
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Yeah, I'm still trying to get the hang of using it optimally
I'm trying to use the first hit as a confirm, but I keep doing the second hit which ends up whiffing most times

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It's extra tricky since I have horrendous reaction time, so hit confirms off of a 5b are near impossible for me to do

magic harness
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General tip
Auto Combo Climax more
Can't drop it
And STYLE

meager portal
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Never

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Aint no style in pressing 5A 4 times

warped pine
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YOU ARE COWARD

grim crypt
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Sorry I'm late @mild parcel I had to fix one of my pads when I got home, but things that stood out that you need to work on

PAITENCE: I swear to god damn near anytime I got you to block or got in a knockdown you couldn't help yourself but do anything but block and while YES it is good that you want to challenge gaps but what isn't good is you pressing on ANY gap/knockdown situation
This applies to neutral as well. Why are you pressing/whiffing so many buttons like that, while yes I want you to defend your space you shouldn't be auto piloting with you button presses. I counted and when I got somewhat close to hyper hop range you whffed Clark's Far D 3 times in a row and then pressed sweep right after 2 times in a row. I want you to be more precise when it comes to do stuff like that. If I was more on point today I could've whiffed punished you 10 times in a match easily and people will do that in tomorrow's tournament

HIT CONFIRMS: practice practice practice. To many times you did 2A 2A and missed you confirm with Clark and others

PAY ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN: I sat because I want you to pay attention to what I'm doing. Think why I played so slow, think why I'm playing conservatively when I have the life lead. When you don't pay attention to your opponent it gives off the vibe that you just wanna do what you wanna do with your characters you are not showing care to what I'm doing. It's why I taunted in neutral. I want to see if you are pay attention to me. It's why I just held up on wake all the time. I want to see if you are actually taking notice to how I wanna escape. And yes at times you did show you were paying attention. But most of the time you didn't you just wanted to hold forward and press buttons you wanted to whiff far A with Krohnen and then mash 6A afterwards

SAFEJUMPS: The one time you did one with Krohnen you messed it up but you got lucky since Yash doesn't have a 4 frame dp/I didn't wake up with grab

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The only thing I saw that you improved on was varying your offense and it's because I let you do it to see how you would open me up

mild parcel
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And still I lost a lot of those interactions

mild parcel
grim crypt
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Yeah

mild parcel
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I know you're better than me, you don't have to say that.

grim crypt
mild parcel
grim crypt
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Yeah I couldn't fit more specific examples but I wanted to make sure you got the jist of it

mild parcel
grim crypt
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You mean the clip of rait spamming advance strike?

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idk what you mean

mild parcel
grim crypt
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Something to strive for then

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Bedsides I said at times you showed that you were paying attention

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That more than what Rait can ever do

lament mirage
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Wow

grim crypt
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Good morning Cien

warped pine
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I'm always catching strays 🤣

mild parcel
magic harness
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@tawny bone
HERE

tawny bone
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My bad

magic harness
formal oracle
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How do I do tk214d on k' after 214d i tried doing 2147d and it didn't work so i tried 9214d and either I'm not good enough or it doesn't work ?

split grotto
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well, it's incredibly difficult

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Like INCREDIBLY difficult

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Number 1 you can't TK a non EX j214K

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Number 2 the most "consistent" way is the input either 2144K or 4214K for the air minute spike

formal oracle
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thanks

split grotto
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Yep, gotta help the K' players. I can't even do it consistently it's super hard

formal oracle
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i sea hi doth non ex 214

split grotto
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Wait, let me rephrase

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You can't do a TK input

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Like 2147

formal oracle
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0.48

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ok

split grotto
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Yeah that's a 2144D input or a 4214D input

formal oracle
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oh