🗼final-restriction-release

[cosmic parrot]

is snagi rly the difference maker

[pseudo grove]

and t10 watches and I think that's it

[cosmic parrot]

wasnt global like f107 with ue60

[pseudo grove]

not enough whales on global

[cosmic parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1373884539478343711.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=pepe_depressed

[flint prawn]

104 and still 30 sec before time out
this team is almost good

[sage fractal]

Bruh that was so insanely close, 0.4s remaining

[cosmic parrot]

yea thats standard tiph

[cosmic parrot]

https://youtu.be/emLHFQzLOnI look at this one

[sage fractal]

I completely forgot about this one lmao

I've seen this one before

[cosmic parrot]

mika ex didnt even explode lmao

[bronze rapids]

Lmao decoy tactic worked

f59 clear

Daru died midway, I'll try f60 tomorrow (also I need to get UNeru UE mats lol)

[sage fractal]

You can't run your own DoT?

Oh you already run UE Neru School lmao

🦖

[bronze rapids]

I do have meru but I dont want to build her just for frr (and wakaboat ig) so I'd rather borrow her, build Uneru and be happy with some f60 clear

[sage fractal]

I mean, I just ran lvl 79 3444 3* Marina Qipao, does enough DoT for me

[bronze rapids]

fair enough

[sage fractal]

But you already UE'd Neru School

[cosmic parrot]

wait what

[bronze rapids]

my meru is lvl1 000 1111 tho lol

[cosmic parrot]

this is so weird

also why f60 go f74

[bronze rapids]

peroro for missiles

[cosmic parrot]

problem is why arent you clearing high enough

[bronze rapids]

cuz above f60, the hp bars go poof
so I'd rather do floors 2 by 2

[cosmic parrot]

oh u dont have any dot buffers

[sage fractal]

Survival is an issue. I don't survive a missile wave in f60

Well I do, but inconsistent

[cosmic parrot]

can use rio on meru

[bronze rapids]

yep, same

[cosmic parrot]

no kisaki so rip

[sage fractal]

So I settled for 57 for now

[pseudo grove]

unironically bring shieldrepo and keep everyone under shiggy

[sage fractal]

Hm, I never thought of that

[bronze rapids]

meru dmg is all fine, it's just daru or some other student getting nuked; either that or simply lacking dps

[sage fractal]

I do have like, nearly 1 min to spare

[cosmic parrot]

you arent bringing atk down either so

[wind copper]

while you guys frying the boss meanwhile I was fighting here #🆚pvp-tactical-challenge

[sage fractal]

Could bring Shielder, ye. I might try that

[bronze rapids]

I have 8 seconds to spare 😭 that's the time for 1 uneru ex

[sage fractal]

That's the UE50 maxed Neru School diff

[pseudo grove]

is 59 that much harder than 49

[sage fractal]

50+ is like, 3 upgraded skills

[bronze rapids]

I have 2 star ue but not enough mats to actually ue40 her 🧱 I'll farm when 2x scrimms happen or next week, I dunno

[bronze rapids]

well ye but no

[pseudo grove]

weapon 👏 level 👏 doesn't 👏 matter

[bronze rapids]

I mean it does give 800 atk but sure, whatever you say

[pseudo grove]

oh you mean it's at lv1 oops

[sage fractal]

The 3 upgrades are:

• 20 fireballs dmg, now you cannot face tank, need cover
• 2 steel balls instead of 1
• Chokmah reactor gauge capacity increase (is there any concrete numbers for this btw? I'm looking for that)

[bronze rapids]

it's lvl 27 currently so ig the 13 levels wont do much, but from 1 to 40 it is kinda significant

[bronze rapids]

2 steel isnt a problem since you can groggy cancel, gauge capacity is meh

[sage fractal]

Also, 59 is more than double HP, and about 1.6x more attack than 49

[bronze rapids]

yeah the 160% atk is kinda violent tho

[sage fractal]

Ye but you have to delay the ballista which means DPS loss, since the normal cycles will launch ballista with max stacks spirit Neru School

Unless you managed to get the steel balls out at that time

[bronze rapids]

the small delay isnt that much of a problem if it allows you to run an extra buffer/dps/healer tbh, replacing shimiko bu oshig is saving me alot of hair

[sage fractal]

Ah, I'm running Kokona so...yeah

[bronze rapids]

damn

must be nice

[sage fractal]

I can even add on Shigure Hot Spring if I really want to, I have her too XD

But I run Niya for cost recovery

[bronze rapids]

I had to run rumi and koharu, oshig replaces them both and takes shimiko's slot, which means I can add mika and an extra

[bronze rapids]

no iwak/Himari/Kisaki?

[sage fractal]

Nope

[bronze rapids]

damn

tuff

at least she has similar def down

[sage fractal]

Not that it's useful against Chok

[bronze rapids]

at 1 more cost

[sage fractal]

It's a ded EX slot

Maybe I can apply it on Groggy phase hm

[bronze rapids]

idk, 650 def isn't low, the 33% def down might be good

but yeah def not a cycler skill

[sage fractal]

But you go from 27% dmg reduction to like, 23% or something

[bronze rapids]

I feel bad for having Iwak as a cycler lol

[sage fractal]

Not very significant

[bronze rapids]

true

[bronze rapids]

5%

[sage fractal]

You work with what you have

[bronze rapids]

maybe I can put a cycler instead of peroro

I'll have neru soon, isn't her ex 2 cost?

getting her to lvl 70 gonna be expensive tho

[flint prawn]

Cant you use just random 2 cost unit like serika? Damage of unbuilt neru is irrelevant

[faint portal]

hmm

[covert pagoda]

[sage fractal]

What a beast Neru School is (f60)

@pseudo grove thanks for the Yuuka Track inspiration, that actually helped

[native ocean]

Time for f74 sir

[sage fractal]

Not possible, I just wipe

[native ocean]

Keep going!

[sage fractal]

Hm, f62, we'll try f64 tomorrow and see if I can do it

[sage fractal]

f64, can't skip the final flames anymore, I'm close to my limit 👀

[lone comet]

uneru really makes chok easy (f99), have to wait on cshiroko shop refresh to 100+ cos mina atk down not enough to keep sui alive
this comp last time with mika took ages to cook the perfect rot but uneru was 2nd try

[sage fractal]

Max Spirits + groggy guaranteed crits is insane amounts of damage

[lone comet]

i only preped 1 spirit before each groggy so used a 2 and 3 stack uneru

[cosmic parrot]

imagine uneru #🗼final-restriction-release message :hinabutton

[lone comet]

uneru makes it free

ue40 her you whel

with your 13k ligma

[cosmic parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1373884539478343711.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=pepe_depressed

[lone comet]

like normally you gotta deal with like 10-20m in p2, i left groggy 2 with like 2m left lmao

[sage fractal]

Ye, if you optimize the cycles you really can go further, being able to throw 6+ EX during a single Duel Time is insane damage

Mine is like, 25m HP at the 1m mark, and then she just shreds off 20m instantly in one groggy

[lone comet]

i didnt bother with rio, ibuki can buff qmarina too and her atk down is at least req to keep sui alive

[sage fractal]

Ah, you need to consider survival too, so it's different

I just applied Yuuka Track shields and Shigure Hot Spring healing

[lone comet]

her being able to heal herself means she wont steal any ako pakeji

[sage fractal]

It's not like I have anything better to slot in for buffers

[lone comet]

which is the only healing in that team

[sage fractal]

No healer comp is crazy

[uncut lodge]

you can also use i.mari overheal right before missile hit to make s.ui survive

[flint cove]

does someone know the trigger for the second time chok uses the 2 wheels? first time is <85% hp, whats the second

[native ocean]

I believe it's 40%

U can try check pinned guides

[late lily]

Did you follow a hw for this? I want to copy this

[flint cove]

thanks

[late lily]

Is it this one? Does it work despite the differences between JP and global? https://youtu.be/8vv9bQhjoLc

[errant crane]

Usually most runs translate from JP to Global. The only exception to that if there's a bug that was found in JP and fixed in Global.

[late lily]

there is a bug, apparently

[flint cove]

what's the bug

[late lily]

I’m gonna try this. Hopefully my investments are enough

[flint prawn]

vulnerability stacks basically never expire on JP

[flint cove]

was forced to make my own tl due to lack of units, kinda glad now i didn't try to copy something

[heady python]

I self cooked my own rots for F100

it was pretty linear

[lone comet]

Don’t have her hence why mina is there instead

[flint prawn]

Do we have any global reference 105+ with no reijo?

[lone comet]

I loosely used this to inspire my run although the comp was basically the same as the one I cooked last time although they have imari
https://youtu.be/7v8MDnMHoWM

[flint prawn]

Interesting, they still manage to get 3 unstable fires.

[lone comet]

You gotta delay first button a long time but it’s 100% worth it

A lot better than “I’ll press it on time with only 2” and then not have nearly enough dmg

[flint prawn]

I delay it to almost same time to reach 2

[lone comet]

Are you using all buffs on Marina

I find it’s best to do buffs longest to shortest and/or lowest impact to highest

Which means kisaki is only when almost everything else is up

Cos you want her active as max potential as she’s the largest increases

Also interesting that despite Rio + uneru being a natural synergy she’s not very useful in chok, you want the aoe buffs (and atk down good) and uneru takes so long to cast you can rotate back in time anyway

[flint prawn]

Im using Meru actually #🗼final-restriction-release message
It was fine for 104, but at 105 damage is suddenly not there. Curious what can be improved.
Also no Mari, guess i've found second raid where shes missed

[lone comet]

If you have ako ue40 and are using her you can easily swap imari for an atk down and not need a healer

[lone comet]

See above, while this is only 99 when I have cshiroko 100+ shouldn’t be too hard

Sui either needs an overheal or significant atk down to survive her one missile and ako pakeji is enough to actually heal your team between missiles

And Meru vs Marina, with all buffs Marina does about 25% more dot than Meru ex+basic and 36% more than just Meru (although Meru basic reduces reliance on sub dot as it’s more ticks)

So if you can find a Marina it helps reactor a lot

[flint prawn]

They all low hp after first missiles, i don’t think its enough time for 4 Ako boxes before second set smh. But ye I'll look for Marina, thanks for info
Can use Rat too instead of Rio (?)

[lone comet]

Not all of them need a heal, if you have skirino down she takes one of the missile double hits

And ibuki heals herself too

[flint prawn]

They look like this after missile. If I take Ibuki over shiroko s.Ui will probably just die.

Instead of koharu though

Was mostly curious how this clear works as have everyone up and ready, but getting marina should also work

[lone comet]

Yeah I’d use ibuki instead of koharu. Her attack down is significantly and stacks with cshiroko, you approach the cap. Cshiroko halves dmg but ibuki+cshiroko quarters

With that much atk down only sui really needs a heal and bosh will steal a few as she naturally takes dmg from aa/fissure slam/double missile

And yeah swap Rio for a rat cos ibuki doesn’t stack and rat keep up stacks

[stone walrus]

will try f100+ next month if i decided to build my bikeroko

so that my naked s ui wont die

[lone comet]

Ibuki + imari overheal keeps sui alive if you time imari

[stone walrus]

is t10 pin needed for sui?

i might try

[lyric atlas]

No need, t9 works

[covert pagoda]

yeah I used this one, just my S.Ui kept dying because I didn't want to give her t10 gloves and maybe because I have less stat transfer.. I delayed the Mari heals before missiles to 4:21.7 and 3:26.5 and that seemed to make her live, mostly

||or I just got lucky with stab or something||

[steep jungle]

welp

trying F106 and SOMEHOW my UE40 JK Neru needs Crit RNG as sometimes I copy this HW and by the end of the 2nd burst I still don't fly to phase 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyuKXsUCT_E&t=1s

Its as if I feel like I need to UE50 JK Neru

[sudden orchid]

chat how maldy is u.neru compared to mika for this frr

[steep jungle]

significantly less mald

[rare arch]

i think uneru is just better here

benefits more from chokmah groggy

[cosmic parrot]

uneru might be complex with her dmg window

but performs much better

[spark epoch]

JK Neru > S. Hiyori >> Mika for performance

[rare arch]

you can barely fit 3 ex skills in the damage window

[cosmic parrot]

id say theyre not that far away in terms of floors cleared

is there a 112 shiyori on jp though

[sage fractal]

But 2 max Spirits EX during groggy is far more damage than 3 Mika EX

The hard part is timing your skill cycle, significantly more complex than Mika

[rare arch]

could you even get to max spirit?

[sage fractal]

On higher floors it's harder. On lower floors I get 6-8 EX per Duel Time

[rare arch]

assuming higher floors

[sage fractal]

You probably can get 6 with Rio and Seia?

[rare arch]

her duelling status only lasts for 70 seconds

[spark epoch]

Not that I know of.
The highest S. Hiyori clear should be F109.
S. Hiyori’s damage window is even more difficult to fit than JK Neru.

[sage fractal]

Should be able to get 5 or 6 with Rio, Seia, cost recovery sub + Mari Idol cost down

[rare arch]

first groggy could be doable

[sage fractal]

Even if you don't, 3-4 Spirit stacks probably still does more damage, since Mika does not benefit from guaranteed crits

Whereas Neru School output changes a lot because of guaranteed crits

[rare arch]

but you want the duel to last all the way after second groggy into p2

[sage fractal]

Ye I'm not at higher floors so I can't speak for those, but lower floors is very doable

On f62, I skip 2nd wheel phase and final flame phase entirely with 2nd groggy

Went from 25m HP to 0

[rare arch]

you arent using dot are you

[sage fractal]

Of course I am

But I don't need 2 DoTs, nor do I need 2 covers, that's why I can do 8 per Duel Time

For higher floors it's probably capped at 6?

[sage fractal]

Ye, I'm watching the JP dude's 115 run, first groggy is max Spirits, 2nd one is not, but he still gets in 6-7 EX per Duel Time

But he only runs Duel time twice, the rest of the time is spent stacking 3 Unstable Flames per groggy

[rare arch]

That’s what you’re meant to do anyway yeah

[sage fractal]

Well...I run solo cope DoT, stacking 3 Unstable Flames takes too long, I just run with 2 and go for 3 Duel times instead

Not optimal, but I work with what I have, 3* lvl 79 3444 321 Marina Qipao can only do so much

I also recalled: I need to force out the steel wheel before first Ballista since I run 1 cover, so that's why I run this skill rotation

[sudden orchid]

[fading thicket]

How are people using s.ui or u.neru without dying from blue dmg on higher floors?

[late lily]

imari overheal on sui, probably

[fading thicket]

I saw one that uses broko for the missiles

[late lily]

Yes, that's also a viable strat

[flint prawn]

Actually got marina borrow and built this team as suggested, it barely clears 100
Costs are too high with shiroko instead of mari, struggled to use 3 uneru during groggy and hard to prebuild neru stacks for same reason.
One with rio/meru felt much easier despite having only 2 unstable flames.
But whatever, I guess 104 is good enough without reijo

[late lily]

is it because of her big-

[spark epoch]

Exactly. It is because of her big— basic skill.

[pseudo grove]

her big presence in the shadow of dev favoritism

[peak mantle]

F74

[normal holly]

is there a hw without using seia/sui?

f99/f100

[rare arch]

Yeah

[normal holly]

really?

[rare arch]

I’ve done f100 without either of them

https://youtu.be/M3yf2RIT_9U?si=8J8SBfTii8SzoY3n

[normal holly]

can shiyori can be switched to mika or uneru?

[rare arch]

Yeah

https://youtu.be/MI3PsGHoaQI?si=XQKIC6Ygui7gzgzT

[normal holly]

thanks a lot

[rare arch]

[normal holly]

where do you find this hw?

[rare arch]

There’s a playlist for f100 and above clears

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_KvBMo1VNtFjkyYCoKD_cX10vN7u3nee&si=nBiEJSfL6FTaQ6C0

In case you want

[pseudo grove]

https://souriki-border.com/final-restriction-release/4

[rare arch]

Keep getting phantom messages here

Is it because of the scam messages being deleted or something

[sage fractal]

Ye

[rare arch]

I wonder if they made the next set red because of band banner

[steep jungle]

Blue

[cosmic parrot]

isnt it red

[rare arch]

It is red set next

I find it interesting that they made next set red even though previous set was red

Maybe it’s because of the band banner

[sage fractal]

<@&897693925127630909> another one? Lmao

[steep jungle]

ANOTHER RED? 🥀

Fuck Red Set

WHY IS IT FUCKING RED???

[rare arch]

Must’ve been to make people roll for the band banners

[steep jungle]

eugh

[rare arch]

Another frr I skip

[steep jungle]

well at least this isn't Tiphareth

so that's the only saving grace it has

[rare arch]

Next tiphareth is yellow

[steep jungle]

That's not the point

[rare arch]

I think yellow might be worse tbh

But then again

[steep jungle]

It has less HP

[rare arch]

Someone did a f74 clear with 3 strikers

[steep jungle]

you have more options

you have Mika

[rare arch]

I don’t

[steep jungle]

oh right

welp

[rare arch]

Then again

[steep jungle]

much like D. Saori solo F99

[rare arch]

F74 can be done with only 3 strikers

[steep jungle]

it is possible to clear F99 with solo S. Yukari

[rare arch]

No Mika in sight

[steep jungle]

well

hopefully I am not talking inside my tush with that

[rare arch]

Probably gonna have to cope with uneru on higher floors

[steep jungle]

awful mood

[rare arch]

But 3 striker f74 sounds like a dream

[rare arch]

That’s why I said cope

[sage fractal]

Ye, Tiph is Mika

[steep jungle]

I cleared F99 with solo D. Saori

the purple one

[rare arch]

Gonna need a second dps to trigger the core groggy

[steep jungle]

got Rio?

[rare arch]

Ye

[steep jungle]

you can just copy

[rare arch]

Id still need to kill all the mobs

[steep jungle]

hopefully you can get someone's superjacked S. Yukari when it lands

yes I know

F99 D. Saori solo purple is possible

[rare arch]

Tiphareth yellow starts one day after pre fest

[steep jungle]

yes

[rare arch]

Fest only starts one week later

[steep jungle]

more than enough time for the S. Yukari simps to get theirs supermaxed

[rare arch]

My chances of spooking Mika are low that’s for sure

And I still need to build her should I get her

[steep jungle]

all that mika talk makes me think that she deserves a buff

[rare arch]

Solo s yukari dps could work at f99 maybe

Without mika

[steep jungle]

by that, I mean her T1 buff is going to be Accuracy and/or Stability buff

T2 is more basic dmg and less skill triggers to drop the draco?

[rare arch]

Apparently tiphareth yellow has less hp at f100 than purple

[steep jungle]

yes

[rare arch]

I guess I’ll worry about that when it’s time to worry

[languid oriole]

obviously

yellow is buns

[normal holly]

f100

[quiet jewel]

<@&897693925127630909> scam

[radiant canopy]

?ban 385978977514160130 Scam

[low tundra]

zkarrlet. was banned. | Scam

[sly notch]

[cosmic parrot]

ghost town

[native ocean]

[uncut lodge]

50000 scammers used to post here....

[patent gate]

now it's a ghost tawn

[sudden orchid]

tawn

[flint prawn]

Did 105 with this team at lower investments. Barely worked

[rare arch]

Grats

[steep jungle]

Actually am I missing a page with the HW clears here?

Like am I casting JK Neru too early?

[rare arch]

Wdym casting too early?

[steep jungle]

During ballosta time

[rare arch]

Casting her 1 cost skill or the shooty one

[flint prawn]

you mean very first cast? They do asap after button in the video

[steep jungle]

After ballista button attack

Yes am I casting JK Neru too early during it?

[flint prawn]

part of it lands before groggy actually happens, but I guess its not a big deal as shes still unbuffed at the moment

[steep jungle]

Or is there a proper time to fire one?

[rare arch]

You try to cast her skill right as you press the button

[flint prawn]

if your delay it part of the last cast will land after groggy ends, which is worse as shes buffed and has more stacks

[steep jungle]

Becayse there are cases where even after 2 ballistas it still doesn't go to phase 2

Unless this really is a crit issue

[rare arch]

How many stacks of spirit do you get by the end of groggy

[flint prawn]

might be investments too? They have ue50 neru and ue specials

[steep jungle]

From how the video goes, its 4.

[rare arch]

Ue50 isn’t needed

[steep jungle]

Maybe, but someone cleared this with a UE40

[rare arch]

Ue40 is sufficient

[steep jungle]

The extra attack helps

[rare arch]

You have to pre cast her ex skill

[steep jungle]

Also my backline is:
UE40 Ako, Rio, Kisaki, and a 4* S. Kirino

[steep jungle]

I did

[flint prawn]

I just can't go for 106 cause those 2 gonna die

[steep jungle]

Just like in the video

[rare arch]

How much hp do you get by the end of second groggy

[steep jungle]

I failed f106 because of dmg lack

[steep jungle]

Depends

[flint prawn]

i mean it is maldy, numbers were different every try

[steep jungle]

But the ideal is after 2 groffy you should make it go to p2

[rare arch]

Not sure about f106 since I’ve not tried

[flint prawn]

in the video they actually not only push it to p2, but almost kill (leave 19 mil or so)

[steep jungle]

Yes

[late lily]

I was off by 1.2M hp

And then I realized that my ue40 neru had zero LB

[steep jungle]

At least 1.2M hp

Not like me who somehow ends up with 10M HP

[late lily]

😮

[steep jungle]

As I don't lnow how to cast shit right

Or

Maybe I have the same reflexes as molasses

[late lily]

yum

which TL are you following

[steep jungle]

Here

[late lily]

I see. Do you have imari?

[steep jungle]

UE40

You're telling me I can replace Koharu with that strat?

[late lily]

Can you do this? https://youtu.be/7v8MDnMHoWM

I used this to clear F106

It worked

[steep jungle]

I would need a real strong QMarina

I only have someone who has a really syrong Meru.

[late lily]

Maybe you can search on arona.icu

[steep jungle]

[late lily]

I can’t read Chinese and I was able to figure it out

[steep jungle]

Ok I tjinl I know why Q. Marina was used

Armor type

[rare arch]

Yeah

[steep jungle]

If I were to use Meru in F106 and Missile Rain drops without the atk down, I can be sure Meruri is history.

[solid vessel]

There's no way my poorly ass built Maki does more dmg than a lv90 borrowed Q.Marina

[steep jungle]

The Q. Marina is a 3*

Your Maki probably has more stars than her

[solid vessel]

Only ue30

[steep jungle]

Yea

Maki will do more dmg yhrn

[uncut lodge]

q.marina is not very impressive dmg wise by herself, she needs backup from reijo

[fast widget]

112F clear

[rare arch]

Ssg I kneel

🛐

[steep jungle]

ssg

[languid oriole]

i kneel

[fast widget]

What does ssg mean

I genuinely have no idea

[rare arch]

Sausage

[fast widget]

Sexy Seia gaming

[flint prawn]

Can try giving Neru t10 hat unless you already did

[hazy dawn]

[flint prawn]

it seems you used ballista too early. This team should easily stack all 6 unstable flames unless kisaki ex is low rank

[hazy dawn]

yeah i messed up in one part but tried to improvise

it didn't work in the end

[flint prawn]

can delay first ballista all the way to ~2:50 and still have enough time

[hazy dawn]

floor 90 cleared

[steep jungle]

I did

[signal belfry]

yikes

Momoi has no use for me here yet because i don't have Midori yet

[rare arch]

Did you not farm her?

[signal belfry]

Is she farmable through a hard mission?

[rare arch]

Total assault shop

[signal belfry]

maaaybe somewhat

i don't remember

But deffinetly not enough yet

[sage fractal]

You also don't have a main DPS

[rare arch]

Is that for chokmah?

[sage fractal]

You'll probably be stuck somewhere around floor 30-35

[signal belfry]

dunno yet

[sage fractal]

You raised your Neru School or Mika?

[signal belfry]

i'm looking for which students i've got might help

[sage fractal]

If you didn't, you don't have one

[signal belfry]

don't have either of them yet

i do have some student who can with his core though

[rare arch]

Qmarina or meru?

[sage fractal]

You might be walled to Floor 24 ngl

[signal belfry]

both

[sage fractal]

Oh that helps a lot

Bring both

[rare arch]

Works

[sage fractal]

You're very lacking anyway

[signal belfry]

i'll see which i think i'll use

[sage fractal]

I would highly recommend both

[rare arch]

Borrow a uneru

[signal belfry]

cuz i'm checking my whole roster

[sage fractal]

One is poison one is burn?

[rare arch]

Correct

[signal belfry]

do 2 of the same effect from different students stack?

[sage fractal]

He doesn't borrow students above his level

[rare arch]

I forgor

[sage fractal]

So bring both Meru and Marina Qipao, you cycle through Unstable Flames faster

[rare arch]

If they’re from the same skill source then no

[signal belfry]

i'm doing the floors 1 by 1 so i'll see what i'll do & probably adjust my team as i progress

cuz i had such little time for a little while, that i only just beat V5 C2 & now start FRR

[languid oriole]

borrow

[rare arch]

He doesn’t borrow

[languid oriole]

really?

bro it free

borrow in conquest and frr is literally free

[signal belfry]

There are actually 1 assistant i can get that i don't have yet that is not above my account lvl. Swimsuit hanako

[sage fractal]

I would say with your level, maybe start from 10 and go 2 floors up every time, saves you time

[languid oriole]

why are you torturing yourself

[signal belfry]

There is also regular Nonomi & Kotori, but I already have those 2

[signal belfry]

Eh, i know i can't do yet, but i'm more i to 100%ing (in this case, as close as possible)

[signal belfry]

Not really torture, but still preference

[sage fractal]

You get the rewards of all floors prior btw

If you clear floor 10, you get all rewards from floors 1-10

[languid oriole]

[sage fractal]

And the early floors are really boring

But if you really wanna do every floor, be my guest

[signal belfry]

Ik, but there also short (for a single battle) when so overlevel

[signal belfry]

Alr👍

[languid oriole]

i actually dont know what sane person will torture themself to that point

[sage fractal]

I'm not gonna judge, different people play the game the way they want to. I just stick to mine, they stick to theirs

I do stuff that people think are crazy anyway (like going for waifu farmables before meta farmables)

[languid oriole]

still usable in some content

[sage fractal]

I still don't own a Koharu or an Iori btw

No plans to do so anytime soon unless I spook them

[languid oriole]

the hoshino people eating good when they fight you in pvp

[sage fractal]

I have a UE40 Nonomi for that

[languid oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[sage fractal]

I don't fear no Hoshinos

[rare arch]

Heavyweapons

[signal belfry]

Oh i see why else Quipao Marina is so good. Piercing attack & open field warfare combat power S

[sage fractal]

The main thing is her debuff damage

[languid oriole]

oh yea she carried me in my first season

[rare arch]

That’s not the main reason

[sage fractal]

That is one of Chokmah's main mechanics

[signal belfry]

I figured, but those 2 help too

[sage fractal]

Marina Qipao and Meru does the most debuff damage against Heavy Chokmah out of all debuff damagers

[languid oriole]

meru you have to solo with her

[rare arch]

They’re much easier than using ue50 gamer twins

[sage fractal]

And yes, piercing, otherwise we would be using Saori Swimsuit instead

[languid oriole]

cant use reijo alongside like qmarina

[sage fractal]

You don't need UE50 for lower floors

[rare arch]

F74 clear with them was the highest I’ve seen

[sage fractal]

I used UE30 Momoi + 3* Midori for f49, very efficient

[languid oriole]

actually you dont need dot at all for the section 1 and 2

neither is cover

[rare arch]

The point is that qmarina or meru is better

[sage fractal]

I would know, I did brute force videos of f49 for that

[languid oriole]

you can steamroll chokmah if you actually use borrow

[sage fractal]

Just fight Chokmah like it's Binah on f49

[languid oriole]

this guy doesnt

[signal belfry]

Oh I see. Same goes for Meru

[rare arch]

I didn’t know chokmah could spawn more than one set of steel wheels

[sage fractal]

That's 50+

[languid oriole]

section 3

[sage fractal]

Oh you mean 1 set

[languid oriole]

and in section 2

[sage fractal]

Ye it's always 2 sets

[languid oriole]

you can let them hit the ballista

it wont kill anyway

[sage fractal]

You cannot on 50+

50+ it does 100% dmg to Ballista

[languid oriole]

cover is a must have on section 3+

[rare arch]

One goes through and you’re dead

[signal belfry]

My Meru's EX is only lvl 2 atm, but her basic skill is at lvl 7

[sage fractal]

Not for the balls anyway, it's the fireballs

The fireballs kill backline, and you cannot tank with HP shields

[languid oriole]

stop targetting my sui

she already hot enough

[rare arch]

Hmmmm wait

[signal belfry]

The former also applies for Qipao Marina, though the rest are all skill lvl 3

[rare arch]

What if you repo them out of fireballs

[sage fractal]

They do not need to be top notch. You just need to do some debuff damage to lower reactor gauge

To stack CDmg Res Down debuff and Unstable Flames

[languid oriole]

shooting at ballista

[sage fractal]

Just cancel with groggy

Otherwise you need 2 cover for 50+

[languid oriole]

he meant the fireball

[signal belfry]

Yeah. Kinda figures that while not ideal, it should be doable at worst

[languid oriole]

if you repo your students out of the way

chokmah will just breathe at the ballista

[sage fractal]

Does the fireball actually damage ballista?

[languid oriole]

no lmao

[sage fractal]

I mean, you could repo I guess

But if Yuuka Track does not drag away the correct student it's a restart

[languid oriole]

section 2 fireballs barely a problem for my sui

[sage fractal]

Oh 49 is easy, just Mari HP shield tank it

[rare arch]

Shield tanking

[languid oriole]

you can pretty much kill chokmah before he even get the chance to enter phase 2

[sage fractal]

Even in 60+, you can

2nd ballista I just burst through 20m HP

And never see P2

[languid oriole]

extra hp tank

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[sage fractal]

The fireballs go up to 45% atk from 8% atk in 50+, so no amount of HP shield saves you

[sage fractal]

Also, repo idea is cool, but if you don't skip P2 you still die without cover

So if you gonna need cover for P2 anyway, why bother

[rare arch]

Oh wtf chokmah fireball seeks you out

[sage fractal]

It chases you even after repo?

[rare arch]

Yeah

[sage fractal]

Good to know

[signal belfry]

Cheerleader Hibiki is not ideal cuz explosion attack type, so no double damage & open field warfare combat Power C, but she can deal cheering damage

[rare arch]

That’s why cover is the only real way to counter fireballs

You cannot run from fireballs but you can hide from them

[sage fractal]

Does cheering dmg count as debuff dmg?

It probably does but who tf uses that, she's also 6 or 7 cost lmao

[rare arch]

Yeah it does

I tested it one time before

[signal belfry]

I'm gonna look if i got someone better, but for now, i'm gonna have swimsuit Iori in my team cuz of her basic & sub skill's chill damage

[cosmic parrot]

no wait doesnt it inflict a 1.3s debuff where you cant move

lemme find

[rare arch]

The fireballs?

Or the steel wheels?

[cosmic parrot]

oh the wheels

no such thing for fireballs

[rare arch]

Very sure fireballs also inflict the rooted debuff

[cosmic parrot]

oh wait there is yea

[languid oriole]

yes

[signal belfry]

Swimsuit Saori seems ideal in every area exept her attack type, but do the chill damage from swimsuit Iori & her stack onto each other?

Or just overwrite?

[rare arch]

They stack

[signal belfry]

Aah

Nice

Then she's almost cuz of that & her terrain combat power being S.

Still looking on around in my roster but

I'm asuming the burn damage from Meru & Regular Chise stack?

[rare arch]

Yes also

There’s a debuff stacking guide

If the debuffs are from the same source they override

If it’s from a different source then they stack

So akane ex and maki basic stack but akane ex and hiyori ex don’t stack

Same applies to dot

[signal belfry]

Aah i see

Hmmmm

Good to know

[cosmic parrot]

meru ex and chise basic stack yea

[signal belfry]

I was this close to using Reijo over Regular Chise, because EX skills are usable manually, so it can be used almost any time & the latter has higher terrain combat power, but does stack with Quipao Marina's poison or Swimsuit Saori's chill

Then again the former is an AOE, the latter is a single target

[cosmic parrot]

no chise is used for her dot hitcount

[signal belfry]

Her what?

[rare arch]

Only matters on f75 onwards

At that point dot damage makes chokmah take a stack of increased damage

[cosmic parrot]

i dont think chise dot dmg is needed

[cosmic parrot]

on f75+ every instance of dot dmg gives a dmg debuff

thats why reijo is used

well to increase qmarina dot dmg too

but i dont have her so im using chise

[signal belfry]

Never heard of dot or atleast the term before

[cosmic parrot]

wait wut were you doing in chokmah the whole time

it needs dot dmg to deplet its gauge

[signal belfry]

Haven't fought him besides Volume EX yet

[cosmic parrot]

damage over time

[signal belfry]

Aah

[cosmic parrot]

oh lol

[signal belfry]

Then I know it, but just not the term it's refered to lmao

[cosmic parrot]

but chise basic dot dmg is very low i dont think youll wanna use her purely for dot dmg

[signal belfry]

Also then again, Reijo's dop may not stack on Quipao Marina or Swimsuit Saori, but that's solid when neither of those are in the cycle atm atleast

[cosmic parrot]

no wait

reijo enhances dot

she doesnt have dot dmg herself

she enhances qmarina/ssaori dot

[rare arch]

Also you have to use reijo before using your dot

[signal belfry]

Huh? It says it applies damage over time. I took that as giving the debuff to the enemy she hits

[rare arch]

Yeah but she doesn’t do dot damage on her own

[signal belfry]

Aah

Then i misunderstood that part

Ooh I see

[cosmic parrot]

she makes chill dot deal faster and add more instance of poison dot

[signal belfry]

I straight up misread it

[cosmic parrot]

imagine reijo ue40 buffs debuff retention

[signal belfry]

Hmmm, Michiru does deal burn damage through a different scource then Meru does so it would stack, but for the students dealing half the damage cuz attack type, i'm sticking with Swimsuit Saori & reijo, cuz higher terrain combat power

Theirs is S

Michiru's is only B

[rare arch]

Michiru burn conflicts with meru

[signal belfry]

Aren't they from different sources though?

[rare arch]

Meru has burn on ex and basic

[signal belfry]

Aah

I see

Fair

Yeah then i'm deffinetly not picking Michiru

[rare arch]

Also yellow boss

[cosmic parrot]

hold on whatre you trying to do again

current chok?

what floor

[signal belfry]

Technicly floor 1, but i'm preparing for later ones beforehand

[cosmic parrot]

yea no you borrow dps like uneru for lower floors and bruteforce

if you wanna go higher you build your own dps and borrow dot

[rare arch]

He isn’t gonna borrow

He doesn’t want to

[cosmic parrot]

oh

yea no anyone other than qmarina/meru isnt gonna do it

dont even try to

[rare arch]

You only consider using someone like casual rat or a sub dot option for f75 onwards

[cosmic parrot]

yea and thats far from reachable without a borrow

unless u wanna build like crazy for this raid

[rare arch]

Not having Mika or uneru is super rough

[signal belfry]

The only assistant within my account lvl that i don't have yet, is swimsuit Hanako, but i'm not gonna use her cuz she has no dot effect

[rare arch]

She has no damage to speak of

For this boss

[cosmic parrot]

you dont even need dot at lower floors

just borrow a dps

if ur borrowing

[signal belfry]

Things though, i'm currently so overleveled cuz the floor i'm on that basicly anyone would work

Hence why i already prepare for later floors

[cosmic parrot]

"preparing for later floors" as in?

again anyone other than qmarina/meru doesnt work

with dps being mika/shiyori/uneru

anyone other than those literally doesnt work for "later floors"

[signal belfry]

So i don't need to change teams as early.

[signal belfry]

I have both of them in it rn

[cosmic parrot]

oh then lol

ideally again you borrow but

if you want to spend a ton building them

then go ahead

[signal belfry]

Also my best team in terms of strikers seems to be Quipao Marina (for poison damage), regular Meru (for burn damage), cheerleader Hibiko (for cheer damage), Swimsuit Iori (for chill damage), Swimsuit Saori (for chill damage from a scource different from Swimsuit Iori) & Reijo (for Poison & Chill enhancement)

[rare arch]

Why do you need all that dot damage

Qmarina already mogs the dot requirement up to f74

Meru also does the same

[signal belfry]

It's 1 of chokmah's gimmick. I will likely change the latter 4 when it stops working

[rare arch]

Yeah but qmarina dot is still strong it literally doesn’t matter

[sage fractal]

You assume it's raised

Bro isn't even level 70 last I checked

And he doesn't even have any of the hard hitting Piercing DPS

If that's the case, might as well just bring both Marina Qipao and Meru to double role

As main DPS and dot DPS

[rare arch]

It would still be better to use other students to fulfill the other raid mechanics no?

Instead of stacking 6 dots

[sage fractal]

f24 does not need cover

Except for maybe final flames

There is no steel ball, and the fireballs can be tanked with a HP shield

[signal belfry]

I'm 74 but my strongest students are 70 cuz i'm lacking in either reports or credits

[rare arch]

Also you can’t dodge the fireballs

[sage fractal]

I wouldn't stack 6 dots ofc, but I would still bring both Marina Qipao and Meru

Simply because bro has nothing better

[rare arch]

Using the 2 strongest dot dealers should be enough anyway

[cosmic parrot]

both? do they even stack

[rare arch]

Yeah

[sage fractal]

One poison one burn

[rare arch]

Poison and burn

[golden smelt]

They do but you don't need both

[cosmic parrot]

[cosmic parrot]

wait why though

isnt that like crazy good then

or no more slots

[rare arch]

Idk he probably doesn’t have the investment for solo

[signal belfry]

I mean it's either that or all piercing types, but i always try prioritizing gimmicks of a boss over attack types 1st

[golden smelt]

Qmarina does enough with reijo and meru is more expensive than reijo is what I'm guessing

[sage fractal]

Then you balance it out with

• a tank
• at least 1 healer
• ideally 1 cover
• buffers, whatever buffers you have
• cost recovery if you have any open Special slots
• the rest just slot in your Nonomi or Momoi or whatever DPS you have

[golden smelt]

And any buffs on qmarina also buffs reijo dot while the same doesn't happen with meru

[rare arch]

Healer doesn’t need to be aoe

A single target healer works since you only have to worry about a lethal attack every minute or so

[signal belfry]

That's 1 od the things I considered when I get to a floor where my current team stops working

[sage fractal]

I would just start running this team comp from the get-go ngl

So you just keep pushing with this until it stops working

Then we see what else needs to be improved, or if you are just walled beyond that point

[signal belfry]

Not gonna use regular Moe cuz she conflict with Meru

[sage fractal]

Easier to just start out with a team that also works on higher floors, so you learn the skill rotations and mechanics before you actually attempt higher floors

I used roughly the same team for f57, 60, 62 and 64

Looking back at my f57 recording, my god, the skill rotation is garbage

[signal belfry]

So does regular Saki, so not gonna use that 1 either

[rare arch]

Do you really need that much dot though

Qmarina and meru should literally be enough up to f74 unless you did not invest at all

[signal belfry]

I was planning to go with that just for now

& probably change it later

[sage fractal]

Nothing you change will be better than that unfortunately. Every single swap will be objectively worse

Because don't forget, you still need to fill in some of the other roles

[signal belfry]

Ik

Like the cover

For 1 of Chokmah's skills

[sage fractal]

Cover is optional in some cases, but for you...just bring one for P2

[rare arch]

For striker slot you only have boshi

[sage fractal]

The fireballs are tankable with Mari HP shield, but you can also use cover

[rare arch]

But on special slot you have shizuko

[sage fractal]

Shizuko, Shimiko, Mimori Swimsuit and Kirino Swimsuit

With Boshi, these are the only 5 cover options in the entire game

[signal belfry]

I don't really know much about the fireballs, but i have an easier time to learn during the battle from seeing it actually being used then do so before it

[rare arch]

Should just play the level first then

[sage fractal]

Unfortunately, there's a lot of things you will never learn from actual combat

Like Def stats, Res stats and so on

So you need to combine a bit of theorycrafting + a bit of fieldwork

Calcs is tryhard, but it also tells you if your idea is sound or utterly stupid/infeasible

And can help you make investment decisions correctly

[signal belfry]

Hmm, not gonna use regular Juri, because she conflicts with Quipao Marina

[signal belfry]

Fair

[rare arch]

Don’t worry about dot mechanics since you fulfilled it with qmarina and meru

[signal belfry]

Might change later, but for cover, i'm gonna use literal books for now

https://tenor.com/view/blue-archive-shimiko-blue-archive-shimiko-gif-25234738

For now i'm going with both regular Shimiko & Shizuko for cover

ngl, i've never been that good at using cover type of skills

[languid oriole]

im suprise the book didnt burn

[rare arch]

You don’t need 2 covers until f50

[languid oriole]

just place it in a general direction

of the fireball

or the boulder

[signal belfry]

I think Rio might be decent at worst here

It seems i have 1 special student student slot left for anything else here

[rare arch]

Kisaki?

[signal belfry]

Eh, i'm more thinking of my most building piercing attack type that i got that has the highest terrain combat power i got

Only considering for now though

Cuz i'm not entirely sure which

[sage fractal]

If you have a Special slot open, the best thing to run is a buffer, a secondary healer for emergencies, or a cost recovery

[signal belfry]

will try that later

[sage fractal]

Focusing on 2-3 DPS will always be better than slapping more DPS

[rare arch]

Kisaki is good here

[signal belfry]

just for now

[rare arch]

She can buff your dot dmg and cost regen

[sage fractal]

This just looks horrible

Bro hates the idea of buffers

[signal belfry]

i'm trying smth else later

[rare arch]

That is not how you build for chokmah

[sage fractal]

I mean, sure, this clears f24 if that's all you aim for

[signal belfry]

it's also literally my 1st time fighting him outside of the main story ngl

[rare arch]

Fair enough

[sage fractal]

I mean, this also is just general teambuilding 101

If this is how you've been building your teams for TA/GA, then my god

[signal belfry]

doesn't he get another skill in F25 onwards?

[rare arch]

Yeah

[sage fractal]

That's the steel ball

[signal belfry]

cuz then i was likely gonna change it when i get there anyway anyway

this is just my F1 - 24 team

[languid oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc-devil-may-cry-dante-what-the-hell-is-this-wtf-gif-18707536

bro throw in every single dot he have like his life depend on it

[rare arch]

https://youtu.be/Wr4MO_AONvU?si=708YU1Zg0_dohSNi

[languid oriole]

you dont need that much dot in section 1 and 2 bro

[rare arch]

Highly recommend you watch this guide

[sage fractal]

I don't understand why you would spend time building 2 different teams when you can build 1 better team for the entire process, but you do you

[languid oriole]

you can even throw them away

all you need is dps

[rare arch]

Can’t clear if you don’t have enough damage

[signal belfry]

Like i said, that is just for now. Probably gonna change it as i progress

[languid oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/gyro-gif-9515930902599411769

[sage fractal]

Why do you choose to start from a very suboptimal team though? For the fun of it?

[rare arch]

But you should at least watch a guide or something to know how to teambuild for that boss

[languid oriole]

i dont think he is considering he doesnt want to borrow

[sage fractal]

I mean, not borrowing is valid, but that doesn't stop you from building a good team with what you have

[rare arch]

At least figure out what the boss does

[languid oriole]

4 instant death mechanic

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1337292903999078470/1434525379233841202/image0.gif

[signal belfry]

Considered for the strikers

Literally forgot to do so for the specials lmao

[rare arch]

Even if you plan on changing your team

Why not change it now and save yourself the trouble later

[signal belfry]

Because i actually don't mind the trouble at all

[sage fractal]

Your consideration is horribly misguided, is all I'll say

[rare arch]

That kind of team building just won’t work

[signal belfry]

Like i said: It's literally my 1st time fighting him outside of Volume EX though

[sage fractal]

It doesn't matter

There are teambuilding basics across all raid bosses

And you are violating universal basic raid boss teambuilding principles

[rare arch]

You should at least watch guides or others clearing the boss

Gives an idea of how you should teambuild

[signal belfry]

So that's kinda to be expected, yet it's also expected to get changed & improved as goes on

[sage fractal]

That explains why you're still stuck at HC when you actually have the teams for Ext

[rare arch]

You don’t make a suboptimal team and change it as you go on

[sage fractal]

Even without borrows

[rare arch]

You change it now and go on

[pseudo grove]

you both are getting too worked up

[signal belfry]

What does HC stand for again

[rare arch]

Hardcore

[signal belfry]

Eeeh, i did have some extreme bosses where i got close though

Beaten? No, but still close

[languid oriole]

remind me of new people in mvm

those one

[rare arch]

At least try the boss first

Don’t bother arguing and just try

[languid oriole]

he kinda just

ignore almost all the guideance we gave

[rare arch]

True

[languid oriole]

damn i use singapore vpn for soo long

it just make me lose wifi

[rare arch]

Using Singapore vpn?

[languid oriole]

im vietnamese

what do you expect

ba got banned in my country

[rare arch]

Oh damn

[languid oriole]

using proton vpn just make me hate netherland

[rare arch]

So anyway

Yellow tiphareth team with the gamers

[signal belfry]

Not really, right now it's just super either way

So i'm planning on using these at later floors

[languid oriole]

[signal belfry]

Also floor 1 done, continuing after either lunch or work

[languid oriole]

on god

which sane person in the world would go "yea ima clear each indivial floor one by one"

[rare arch]

yellow tiphareth team ive cooked up

[signal belfry]

I actually don't mind not being sane ngl

[pseudo grove]

moi is pretty cope

isn't jumby better for core clearing

[uncut lodge]

does momoi even have enough range...

[languid oriole]

why is rio lv 71

also i dont think the twin buff gonna active if one of them dead

[cedar elm]

Insane cope team with momoi lol

[pseudo grove]

just don't be unlucky and get swim hasumi

[cedar elm]

Momoi can probably barely clear like 2 mobs with her small aoe

[rare arch]

Who?

[pseudo grove]

[rare arch]

I’ve done some calcs and she should be able to clear mobs even on f100

[pseudo grove]

her range is about shanako tier which is cope

[cedar elm]

Nonomiss has more of a chance than momoi lol

[rare arch]

No

[cosmic parrot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1373884539478343711.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=pepe_depressed

[languid oriole]

[sage fractal]

Can confirm Nonomi will never do it

[rare arch]

99 accuracy is not cutting it

[sage fractal]

She, on average, kills 2-3 spooders with 1 EX

[rare arch]

For context

[sage fractal]

I tried her on purple f24

[cedar elm]

Yea at least she can if you get lucky

[rare arch]

Labourers have 690 evasion

[sage fractal]

The amount of luck you gonna need is lmao

[cedar elm]

Momoi will not be hitting anything with her aoe

[rare arch]

Nonomiss here is me snorting insane amounts of copium

Like nah

[sage fractal]

Momoi repo has better odds than Nonomi

I'm a Nonomi glazer, but even I cannot say Nonomi is better

[rare arch]

Momoi is better

Momoi has 681 acc

[cedar elm]

The range on her aoe is ass tho

[rare arch]

And with basic active she guarantees hitting

[sage fractal]

That's why it's a repo usage like with Hanako Swimsuit

They both only work with repo

[rare arch]

People still used shanako on f99 purple tiph

Momoi has the same aoe range

[cedar elm]

Cuz shanako has a decent size aoe

Momoi is way smaller

[rare arch]

Besides

[sage fractal]

You don't need the width, you need the depth, pretty sure

[rare arch]

If s hanako can do it, so can our gamer friend

[languid oriole]

[cedar elm]

We ll see when the raid actually comes lol

[pseudo grove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-82_FxbFUtk

you can run both jumbo and moi

didn't watch it but jumbo probably snipes the other side

[rare arch]

What about makoto there

[pseudo grove]

didn't notice her

[cedar elm]

Makoto there too bro

[languid oriole]

gigantic aoe

[rare arch]

F100 should still be possible

Also kokona there is interesting

I’m gonna test if momoi can actually hit all the mobs with repo

I could only get up to the first 2 mob waves

For some reason the remaining 3 waves don’t exist in the story fight

[sage fractal]

You kill too fast

[rare arch]

Straight up there’s only 2 waves

Then the boss immediately awakens then transitions to the escape sequence

[sage fractal]

Does it go straight into running from laser beam after that?

[rare arch]

And there’s no groggy mechanic in the story fight

[sage fractal]

I mean, if you can hit the first 2 waves

You can hit the last 3 too pretty sure

Just a matter of repo

[signal belfry]

Oooh, covers apparently don't just block the fireballs, but the fire breath too

[rare arch]

Also damn junko might be really good here

[signal belfry]

Oh?

[rare arch]

Not for chokmah

I was talking about tiphareth

Also apparently the red core disintegration wave can kill the mobs on the left or right

[signal belfry]

Ok 1 cover may be ideal, but 2 is really not that bad against the flame breath cuz of much ya can block

[signal belfry]

Aah

[rare arch]

I never expected tiphareth cores to just murder each other when it’s heavy armor

[signal belfry]

This is 1 of the reasons i do all the floors 1 by 1. It took me 10 floors to figure out, how the thing in the middle behind my team work

Now i know & have a better understanding of that 1

[sage fractal]

I am willing to bet you don't, because there's an optimal way to use it that requires reading and knowing the different debuff effects you stack onto Chokmah

[rare arch]

From what I’ve seen

Self damage inflicted on the cores is crazy in yellow tiphareth

[sage fractal]

It's the same in both Tiphs, pretty sure

[rare arch]

It’s unaffected by damage increase or decrease effects

But armor matchups yeah it is affected

[sage fractal]

Wait, lmao

[rare arch]

Check this

[sage fractal]

Is it purely because yellow attack onto its yellow armor

[rare arch]

It’s ridiculous how effective it is

Pretty sure it can just one shot the labourers with the microwave beam

[sage fractal]

If it's just purely off that, then that's hilarious

Was this intended or an oversight lmao

[rare arch]

Core self damage is very much intended

[sage fractal]

No, the 2x from armor/attack type

[rare arch]

It would be strange if it behaved otherwise

Tiphareth and shirokuro are the only bosses with self hitting mechanics apparently

Just checked

This also applies to shirokuro

Would that make yellow torment srkr easy I wonder

[signal belfry]

I was talking specificly about the missiles that groggy him

[cosmic parrot]

i dont get it

whats on yellow tiph

[signal belfry]

& what i mean was that on the until F10, i didn't reall know what that thing does, which appears to be what triggers the things that restrain him

While now i do know

[rare arch]

Chokmah?

[signal belfry]

Yeah

[rare arch]

Cores doing friendly fire does double damage because of yellow armor

[cosmic parrot]

wait what

why not on purple

wait nvm

[rare arch]

Yellow does neutral to purple

[signal belfry]

Then again, on Chokmah's 1st few floors, i beat him so fast that i didn't get to fully charge up

[cosmic parrot]

wait so the friendly fire was yellow atk?

but wait

[rare arch]

On f50+ yeah

[cosmic parrot]

doesnt it do 54% self dmg normally

[rare arch]

54%

Where did that number come from

[cosmic parrot]

wont it be guaranteed kill on every floor now

54 mobs

[rare arch]

I mean like

Cores hitting themselves

[cosmic parrot]

oh wait the sticky bomb and missiles?

[rare arch]

And the microwave beam

[cosmic parrot]

oh lol

[rare arch]

Those do double damage

[cosmic parrot]

i thought each mob now deals 2% on yellow

[rare arch]

Mobs killed still reduce tiphareth hp by 1%

But the self damage inflicted to the cores because of friendly fire is increased

[cosmic parrot]

eh not rly a big deal

the self dmg is 🚮

[rare arch]

The microwave beam can also delete the mobs

[cosmic parrot]

oh wait

[sage fractal]

Yes, that is exactly what I am talking about

The fact that you don't even realize that's what I am referring to

Says everything

[rare arch]

The friendly fire interaction also occurs on shirokuro

[signal belfry]

F2 - 13 done

Continuing after work

[rare arch]

If shiro or kuro gets hits by their own attacks, it factors in armor type

[signal belfry]

Figured it out at that that's for the groggy at F10

Besides i didn't say i fully understand it, just that i understand it better

Like

Better then before

[rare arch]

I can just send aoba to one side and let the beam vaporise the mobs

While momoi takes care of the other two

I never would’ve realised this is a thing otherwise

[signal belfry]

Besides

I already said i have an easier time learning by seeing it in the battle then I do by reading skills

Like ok i might not be that good at raids

But legit question: What the fuck are ya taking me for?🤨

[signal belfry]

Besides, we had a conversation happening about 2 raid bosses at the same time, so that fundamentally made it less obvious

[sage fractal]

The fact that armor type comes into play is so funny

[rare arch]

Yellow tiphareth has less hp than purple

And takes more self damage from cores taking friendly fire

If the devs intended for this mechanic to happen this way, bravo

Tiphareth my new favourite boss now real

[pseudo grove]

nozomi is stronger than milka in FRR

[rare arch]

That makes sense

Mika gets weaker because hp scaling

[pseudo grove]

and the strongest buffs are at low boss HP

[languid oriole]

what missle

[uncut lodge]

the ones that bounced back by shield?

[languid oriole]

he talking about chokmah

it not a missle

[uncut lodge]

then it's the missiles launched from the ballistae

[languid oriole]

it a ballista

[languid oriole]

THAT THE FUCKING HARPOON

[uncut lodge]

missile can refer to any flying object though :V

[signal belfry]

Yeah that. I forgot the right word when i said that so instead said what it looked the closest to (when not restraining him) to me

Ngl though

I actually don't really care to much about optimization