🆚pvp-tactical-challenge

[void current]

6 wins in a row

Just because i removed tsubaki

And put hoshino instead

[jovial talon]

uhh

actually nvm you meant wins

brave man running solo hoshi

[lament galleon]

@void current I think you rcomp would be better if s. tsurugi was replaced with tsubaki, s. iori was replaced with regular iori and miku was replaced with serina. just a suggestion

[jovial talon]

but sir he's winning

so clearly it works

[lament galleon]

the thing is with the meta the team would be better this way

[jovial talon]

meta this meta that

[lament galleon]

well its if you want to win more and place higher

not only that the suggestions are also free to play friendly

[jovial talon]

why are you suggesting free to play friendly when he has the units

and a UE miku

[lament galleon]

well seeing as he doesnt have s. mashiro and shun i dont think he spends much money

[jovial talon]

Well what i'm trying to say is, meta is merely considered what works best by the norm, and if your off meta comps are working just as well if not better, then there's no reason to change anything no?

[lament galleon]

NO THE THING IS CONSISTENCY NOT IF IT IS WORKING WITH LUCK AND STUFF

sorry typed with caps

[jovial talon]

if 6 wins in a row isnt consistency idk what is

anyway lets drop it this is getting nowhere

[rigid lichen]

[compact tangle]

[void current]

Im f2p

Amd everyome there is MMMM

Except cherino M8MM

Amd S tsurugi M778

And Hoshino os 3774

[stuck flint]

ok?

[lofty leaf]

Fk PvP

[raw crypt]

hp% moment

[lofty leaf]

???????

Hoshino was all I had left when I hit skip

[dire wave]

people expecting consistency in blue archive pvp

[jovial talon]

consistent inconsistency

[serene silo]

people expecting consistency in blue archive pvp

your attack or defense kept losing because they pulled consistency against you

i have seen it, or worse ones

[lethal cave]

Twins

[light condor]

Pvp is ultra fun and winning/losing dont matter too much. I am constant top10 with occasional top1.in comparison to top100 i may have gotten a pulls worth of pyro more per week

[frozen drift]

I rarely get into top 10 daily

[valid kernel]

I usually sit at 1-5

the difference in coin income is very noticeable

[lucid dew]

Im in 2000 rank now previously 1000

[lethal cave]

Between 100-300

Since too many shina and smash

[void current]

Same

[steady abyss]

Top100 daily is enough for me, I feel like I would need much more investment to be in top10 daily, but urban season I used to stay top200 and I regret not trying to push my students a little more. Let's see how indoor goes, for now I don't want to spend more resources in current team

[jovial talon]

urban i was barely holding on to top 1k

[light condor]

Urban was crazy. I had to actively fight and defend my top100

I hope Indoor will not spark the return of Hibiki meta

[young river]

It will

Smaller space makes Hibiki better

[steady abyss]

For me the crazy one was beginning of outdoor, somehow everyone had maxxed out students and I stopped caring because if I won a match it was just pure luck since I was way worse

[frozen drift]

What team will be meta indoor?

[simple jetty]

same thing I suppose

until we get future characters

note that this list is out dated by JP standards

but will give an idea for the time being

[young river]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460664028247621644/970382038223974490/ezgif-5-7f1656c727.gif

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lbXudYH5w3dLdKWxDM4HODZPeuKDRJqOPiU5FkhjvwE/edit

[simple jetty]

yes

well unless you want the pick rate too I guess

In conclusion people are probably gonna do Haruka + O.Nodoka strat

[young river]

You may also want to see this user's posts on indoor pvp https://www.reddit.com/user/VirtualScepter/

the early ones, at least

[simple jetty]

I just wanted to give some examples

[frozen drift]

[light condor]

I am so happy marina isnt limited

[stuck flint]

Idk

I think blue archive should have more limited units

It's more fun

But at least it doesn't have reruns, so I would rather rhace less limited units without reruns.

[light condor]

I dunno, i only play this and genshin and latter only has like 5 perma units and 20 limiteds

After one year

[stuck flint]

yes and its good but reruns is the problem

genshin banners were fun at first

but then it became rerun after rerun

i wouldnt even call them limited as reruns are so frequent

around an year would be ok timing for a rerun in my opinion

[steady abyss]

I dont want to talk much in this channel about this, but unless you are a whale in genshin reruns is where you may think of constellations. In blue archive thanks to the eligma and farmable eleph you raise characters without dupes. Even better than priconne that just gives "eligma" for already recruited characters, but not character shards

[dull fable]

Smooth run

[void current]

My name is true

[steady abyss]

Nice one, congrats, I also like STsurugi. But how many teams you find without SMash? I find like one per week.

[void current]

Well

[steady abyss]

Anyone planning on using akane next season?I could use some raid coins to ue40 her and Im considering it since Im realizing Im going to need different attack options this season

[void current]

Im not really high up

About 100

[steady abyss]

I try to stay under 100 everyday, usually no problems to make it, but Im not sure next season

[steady abyss]

Im sometimes attacking with 3 tanks too, Im getting haruka to 5* for indoor but even at 4* if I see an iori in the first slot I put her in front

[tired heron]

[steady abyss]

Haruka I meant, not haruna

[steady abyss]

Hey @thick sonnet is Bunny Karin pulling her weight for you?I see that she never has time to use her ex before dying in your videos

[thick sonnet]

Not really, if she dies, its fine, if she uses her EX, its fine too

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896321022880538644/995570734074171402/lv_0_20220710140002.mp4

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896321022880538644/995571271284818040/lv_0_20220710140115.mp4

[cobalt shard]

i am just a midori enjoyer

[steady abyss]

Lol that's a funny team you went against

[stuck flint]

a very odd team yeah

[mental marsh]

Yo everyone, I got a small question about pvp and the reset for the 12. If I use my try after the daily reset before the maintenance will I have new try after the maintenance since we're changing place ?

[steady abyss]

Last time we didn't get new tries, I remember because I already used them before maintenance then I got to the bottom of the ranking and couldn't attack again lol(without pyro)

[mental marsh]

Thank you

I never tried yet cause I never checked when the reset were comming.

[steady abyss]

Also, this won't be a season reset, just a terrain change, so I think no pyros for climbing the ranking again until the season trully ends

[mental marsh]

Ah, I see.

[light condor]

put Haruka Defense Slot1
Win Defense 4 times in a row against same Attacker
All his dmg graphs show him having Iori Slot1

Why tho

[stuck flint]

wack

[stuck flint]

Imagine putting iori slot one and not shun

[void current]

Thats dumb

Shun slot one gets rekt by hibiki

Even if you run hibiki defence

[stuck flint]

No one in my bracket runs hibiki

[void current]

[stuck flint]

And either way first unit is pretty much always gonna be countered by someone who has half a brain

But I guess people at higher ranks are more likely to have a maxed hibiki than haruka so youre right I guess it is dumb come to think of it

[raw crypt]

not for attack

well

not always

rather

hibiki angle is determine by team positions of both sides

emphasis on team and both sides

[void current]

Glaring again

Lmao

But you have both hina

I dont have both

[lethal cave]

[random oriole]

Midori gaming

[light condor]

Single tank wins

[stuck flint]

New channel name

[untold prawn]

Idk, there's one person in my bracket that use hibiki. And usually never hits shun in slot 1.

And the times my shun does get hit I already lost b4 then due to skill rng

[light condor]

I-i didnt want to become top1 like that

[young river]

pitied

[light condor]

it hurts my pride.
Guys, come get your free top1

[untold prawn]

[untold prawn]

Does the season end today or something?

[light condor]

i dunno when it ends.
We are just shuffling top1 around so everyone gets 125 pvp coins

[untold prawn]

I kinda wish my bracket was like that,

I don't think they use discord tho

[steady abyss]

I think the terrain change comes with onsen nodoka, but its not a season end

[untold prawn]

Oh right so just a environment change. Wonder how much that changes things

[subtle musk]

it changes things a lot

ah right the bot was a thing

silly me

an example is smash which gets nerfed by 1/3

also iori gets gigabuffed

[steady abyss]

It changes a lot

Not only in terms of mood(iori, specially with sunglasses is unstopabble unless you have something like haruka in front) but also the map

Shun becomes much worse for both this reasons. Her mood therefore her damage is bad, there is only one cover like in outdoor, and in 20 seconds when the locker drops it blocks her fire so she has to move down near the tanks to shoot(which is very risky), and this is in case she is still alive after hibiki(yes, hibiki returns). So the only thing she brings is her cost skill

[light condor]

i am currently studying indoor pvp culture, it's hilarious

[steady abyss]

Yes, that's what I mean

Also another issue is that a sneaky student may go around the locker and kill your backline

Because if you dont want the locker to push your tanks, you would place then in positions 1 and 2. But if you do that, then the student 4 from the defending team goes around the locker

You either place tanks in position 1 and 3 or try someone like Akane in slot 1, that with passive 7 moves fast enough to push the enemy formation, avoiding being hit by the locker and at the same time a student going around it to hit your backline. Akane is not so tanky so UE40 is quite helpful there. UE50 gives her neutral mood indoors too. Another one thst works is tsurugi but she's harder to farm of course

[lament galleon]

just wonering but what does UE40 mean

[young river]

Exclusive weapon level 40/2*
UE = Unique equipment, which is a name for the system often used by the community

Exclusive weapon uncap levels are usually referred to by their max level (at the uncap)
so 30 for 1*
40 for 2*
50 for 3*

[lament galleon]

thx!

[spice elk]

Then shun being bombed by Hibiki

[uncut sparrow]

I hope locker do some damage when hit the student

btw

[spice elk]

Yuzu is hiding on that locker

[stuck flint]

Nice gems bro

[light condor]

Barely 1.5sparks, we gotta do better

[light condor]

enemy was one skill point faster than me

[uncut sparrow]

mashiro smile

[stoic oxide]

Aye. Have no idea why enemy has some sort of handicap

[raw crypt]

youd still lose since tsubo reloading

[light condor]

I believe in my crit

[serene silo]

tsubo would’ve finish reloading before smash even hits her

[desert sundial]

is this how you win in pvp

[void current]

I tried her

Red dmg not as good as mystic

[jovial talon]

don't bring a gun to a tank fight(?)

[steady abyss]

If your units are defeated but not the tank, do you lose or as long as the tank lasts you are alive?

[untold prawn]

I don't think the tank counts since it's on a timer, but I could be wrong. Usually ppl don't bring a tank to a gun fight...

[steady abyss]

Well, Iroha is pretty common in japan pvp, someone should know

[untold prawn]

Is her cost low or something?

[steady abyss]

When her ex is maxed, it's 6 cost. Starts at 8 cost

[untold prawn]

So it's the same as o.cherino

[steady abyss]

But mystic damage

[untold prawn]

Oh she's mystic?

Hmm... rip tsubaki

[raw crypt]

tank does not count

only striker students

[steady abyss]

Thanks, good to know

[light condor]

breaks my heart

it hit

[steady abyss]

Tsubaki vs shun, the eternal rivals that clashed so many pvp matches...

[stuck flint]

Cherino with the carry

[stuck flint]

nice

[uncut sparrow]

their armor mostly red

[untold prawn]

Does o cherino work against a meta team tho?

6 cost and red atk...

That means ur forced to hold out for a substantial amount of time

Ever since smash I don't think fights last that long

[jovial talon]

you see

[untold prawn]

Someone like b Karin works cause she has the potential to one shot the entire team but idk about o cherino

[jovial talon]

generally

ocherino works nowhere

[untold prawn]

[jovial talon]

there's no red aoe raid unlike chesed and shifumi

[untold prawn]

Well I guess I'll avoid that banner then

[steady abyss]

Yeah I dont think she works in pvp, can be good as red aoe in future joint exercise I guess

[serene silo]

well, she only does small cone-shaped aoe

not what you're really looking for

[stuck flint]

i somehow won

[stuck flint]

i only rolled for for her since her tank is cool and shes cute but idk shes decent thus far and been carrying my team

[untold prawn]

Well she's not limited so it's possible to get her anytime

[light condor]

That's what non-shunners would say

[untold prawn]

Ironically I've rolled her like 3x times already... just curious about a full tank team with tank supprts

Or maybe 1 tank and 1 heal in support?

[light condor]

[light condor]

wait for O.Nodoka at least

[scenic slate]

can i be in that bracket

[light condor]

low level brackets are so crazy and unpredictable

am i the only one who headpats my group after a victory

[spice elk]

Serina saved Iori from Shun

[scarlet zephyr]

I also do it, they perform better istg

I even headpat my specialists through their icons below so they don't feel left out

[uncut sparrow]

you are so nice

[light condor]

[rapid fulcrum]

[thick sonnet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896321022880538644/997369371330629692/Blue_Archive_2022-07-15-12-57-20.mp4
Sniper AOE vs MG AOE

[light condor]

he changed his attack team twice for me.
Be the reason why people change their default attack formation

[untold prawn]

Tho I'd wish they'd just go around me...

Some use all 5 hits...

[jovial talon]

i'll take those 12 coins if you dont want them

thanks

[untold prawn]

[light condor]

login, win once, logout

[untold prawn]

[light condor]

also i had to earn that today so sorry, no freepass from me today

[untold prawn]

I actually have to stay up till 1am so I can claim mine early

[light condor]

i think only EU players are the real winners of this specific timezone shenanigan

Maintenance while they sleep, daychange at 9pm

[untold prawn]

Ya the timing is horrible for est

Like first raid resets at noon and starts at around 4 am...

Sounds like alot of time but pretty sure ppl busy around then

[light condor]

tbh raid and events are kinda non-issue as timing doesnt matter that much. for pvp however, it's crucial.
Dont want to climb while everyone else is using up their tickets as well, but also dont want to do it too late because then you'll get pushed too far behind.
It's very awkward

[untold prawn]

For my bracket I'd rather claim 1st b4 everyone and get knocked down. Since I'm usually sitting at 2nd.

I have no interest in holding 1st all day

[light condor]

i usually get pushed to top10 so i climb back up, claim my reward. Then 10mins before daychange, use up all my tickets.
In the ideal case, I can manipulate my ticket usage to stay top10 indefinitely. Best place is top2 or top5

[untold prawn]

My bracket doesn't seem to active so most times I don't use all my tickets but ur method does appear similar to what I do if I'm forced to climb back

[burnt pewter]

Speaking of timezone, the clock hit 3am and the servers reset as I was doing eden treaty story

Had to restart the game and do it again

[steady abyss]

That's amazing, I dont think Im strong enough to push that much, usually stay rank 20-60

[untold prawn]

I'm trying to reduce how much climbing I have to do also. Thus y I'm trying to hold 2nd

If ppl want first I'm not in their way

[steady abyss]

Which first unit you like to go against?I like to go against iori or hoshino in the first slot so I can put haruka or my iori in front

[untold prawn]

I see the same ppl every day so I have different comps to fight each of them and take pictures of any changes

I don't really have a choice in top 5

[steady abyss]

Yeah makes sense

[untold prawn]

Buy if ur putting up defense I think tsubaki is a top pick. Ppl already know she's there and u leave them guessing on the last 3

And if they don't have tsubaki it's usually a bad sign for them

[serene silo]

EU sounds like comfy bracket

i usually stay at top 10, mostly at 3 6 9 so worth

[steady abyss]

Mine is also EU but not comfy at all

[serene silo]

nah im asia

it sounds like EU is either comfy or hell from my own understanding

[untold prawn]

Last season I hovered around like 100s but I think there's less ppl per bracket or something now

[serene silo]

it is

[light condor]

After investigation and probability calculation, my team is ideally against either:

• Iori players
• Tsubaki at D1
• Shun at D4
  and also my team is also strong against the first team reformation

So people either win the first time, or after two losses

[untold prawn]

I honestly can't count on iori defense... it feels like it's more rng than ur normal defense

[light condor]

My team loses against Hoshino D1 or SHina EX first (and some unlucky skill rotation)

[steady abyss]

Im lately attacking with haruka expecting that shun d4

Since sometimes its an iori

[serene silo]

4-tank comp easily solves shina comp

have good rotation to kill their hoshi and tsubo, and there is your win

[light condor]

4-tank comp is pretty stable but prone to first team reformation losses

[steady abyss]

I dont have 4 strong enough tanks

[light condor]

and if you are top10, you are getting attacked more than once by the same person

[serene silo]

i can relate

[light condor]

i tried 4tanks many times before

i didnt want to admit that building BNeru was a waste of resource

[serene silo]

well, it's not like they will be using same comp to attack you after a loss or losses

[steady abyss]

Same like me with normal neru, I hope I end up using her in some raid or other content because last binah I didn't

[serene silo]

bneru feels like pvp/raid-niche unit to me

only shines if there's no iori

[light condor]

i am currently building normal neru for upcoming chesed for the fast rotation Iori setup. I wish us both luck

[serene silo]

millennium mats issue

[steady abyss]

Same, I hope it pays off somehow. I still like the character

[serene silo]

im still miles away to full build every mill students

[light condor]

i have goosebumps just thinking how O.Nodoka will revive the 4tank meta. And then be complete with the literal 4Tank + Real Tank meta

[steady abyss]

I just need a few more eleph for haruka before the terrain changes

[serene silo]

nah i double 4 tank + onodoka works

[light condor]

does anyone know when the terrain change will be?

[serene silo]

iori/bkarin wipes them quick

after onsen event

[steady abyss]

Im thinking of akane but I dont know how she will perform. But, besides pulling the enemy units without worrying about the locker, she can also distract iroha

[light condor]

i dont have much time for the indoor queen grind

i am thinking about dropping shun for the first weeks of new terrain

[steady abyss]

Me too, Im thinking of using Aris until NYmutsuki

[light condor]

sneaky haruka + double tank frontline + iori

onodoka will stay by the frontline, haruka will flank and take out the enemy backline, iori just thanos snaps

[steady abyss]

A haruka can't take out my aris

[light condor]

my downfall will be having a bad 3* hibiki...

[serene silo]

ue50 iori

cant wait for 2-shot tsubo and 1-shot hoshi

[light condor]

but can aris take out a sneaky haruka who comes from a different direction than the double tanks?

[steady abyss]

Cannot lol

[light condor]

even if that is the case, a 7EX wasted for a single tank is really good for me

a BKarin on the other hand spells big trouble

her cone is as big as her ches weapon

[steady abyss]

Shun is literally just her normal skill, she won't help at all with that terrain and that map

[light condor]

the final stretch

[steady abyss]

But I still feel we may keep seeing her a lot people is too used to using her

[light condor]

i want to return to the sustain meta

[light condor]

i am sure many people pumped too many eligma into her to just outright bench her indefinitely 👀

[steady abyss]

Yeah, that's a big reason

[light condor]

i mean, i did too...

[steady abyss]

I actually didn't, mine is just 4*, so I don't mind

[jovial talon]

[serene silo]

using haruka while theres mashiro

[uncut sparrow]

well it's gambling afterall

[young river]

That was just a bad decision

[raw crypt]

if i dont see karin

9/10 id bbring hoshino

instead of haruka

[uncut sparrow]

if I see karin
I swap hoshino and tsubaki position

fortunately her first shot always the left one

[jovial talon]

[stuck flint]

jesus

[light condor]

they were both missing for 15secs

The top1 had an amazing defense team. i didnt expect to have this much trouble

[light condor]

YES

It's like the wild west

[young river]

in the end, everyone dies

[light condor]

but your death is offscreened by the credits with springing words like And the good guys win once again

[stuck flint]

Is hoshino good for pvp?

Better than tsubaki?

[light condor]

hard to say with karin and summer mashiru being the top choices for pvp specialists

hoshino is a rather obvious choice as a second tank besides tsubaki

due to her EX shield, stun potential and self-heal

she is widely used against teams that have no Iori, so that it becomes a Karin/Smash roulette (you'd hope that Smash EX targets hoshino while Karin targets your Tsubaki)

Right now the meta shifts to premature preparations for the next pvp terrain (which is going to be indoors).
1stDay players and eager preparers have got their Harukas built up which could potentially replace Hoshino/Tsubaki.

[stuck flint]

Damn pvp is serious business

I'm lvl 45 and I thought maybe I should replace my tsubaki abd try to get a little higher

[light condor]

nah, tsubaki is a beast and i trust my life on her

[stuck flint]

But I don't even know how many coins I would get. I think I get 50 or 100 per day

I'm in gold

[light condor]

100 per day is like top100 pvp, which is hella awesome actually

but it also depends on whether you are defending alot against other human attackers and winning those defends

[stuck flint]

Then I get 50 per day

I don't remember

[light condor]

you got a stable coin income depending on the rank when you are claiming it.
But additionally, you also get 3x coins per successful defense

[steady abyss]

Im not using hoshino next season, but she will be quite good again once hod raid comes

[light condor]

my hoshino is kinda being left behind currently as i got my haruka setup instead

[steady abyss]

My haruka needs like 10 eleph to be 5* so Im getting her ready too

[stuck flint]

Why haruka?

[light condor]

i am really happy the peroro raid is over soon so i can allocate more time into pvp theorycrafting

[steady abyss]

Because iori

Sunglasses iori kills everything next pvp season

So haruka is the one who can stop her

[light condor]

i think Haruka is one of the only student who can reach 100k max health, coupled with incredibly defense.
Her EX dmg multiplier is scaled as high as the Eiffeltower and Iori, the PVP Indoor Queen, does zero dmg to her

[stuck flint]

So haruka is the best tank? Why people don't use her now?

[steady abyss]

I think Im going to use different attack teams, Im getting ue40 akane next raid so Im also going to try her as an offtank

[light condor]

Haruka scales with investment, her true power comes once she is EW40, which is outside the reach of anyone who just wants to use her spontaneously. She start off very weak

[steady abyss]

Also iori's mood outdoors is bad so she is not so mandatory

[stuck flint]

So to lvl up haruka you need to spend eligma?

[steady abyss]

She has 2 hard nodes to farm

[stuck flint]

And a lot of eligma for ue40?

[steady abyss]

You need planning

[light condor]

Personally, I am going with a red-focused triple tank. I have Eimi, and she is near immortal. Coupled with the next banner (the infamous toxic O.Nodoka), it might become the most unfair, brutal and unforgiving meta ever

[light condor]

It depends. People like me who read up a lot of pvp and have actual spreadsheets farm haruka once she was available. I spend maybe 60eligma on her so far because blue archive sometimes have double drops on shards, and you really need those double drop events to really farm out those shards

[steady abyss]

The 4th student being iori?because shun is really sad indoor season, not only bad mood but once locker drops on 20' it blocks her fire and she ends up running near the tanks at the bottom, usually ending with her dead

[light condor]

yes, Iori. I am giving up on burst fight finishers. The next meta is going to be full-on sustain and bruisers waltzing through the battlefield.

[untold prawn]

O. Nooka is a striker?

[steady abyss]

She's special

A healer

[untold prawn]

Oh...

[light condor]

the battlefield is stretched long indoors. Enemy shun cant possibly reach my Iori without getting herself infront of my triple tanks

[stuck flint]

How do you guys invest in characteds , are you not afraid that then they add new chdracters and haruka for exmaple become not that good?

[untold prawn]

Who's the third red tank tho? U only mentioned 2?

Eimi, haruka,,??

[steady abyss]

Im going to try aris until NY Mutsuki comes. Also because I think Im not pulling Onsen Nodoka, got 49k pyros now and they are for new year and wakamo

[light condor]

i am not too sure. Either hoshino or Tsubaki. If it's hoshino, then I am going to utilize Sneak Hoshino so enemy Iori doesnt focus on her

if i go full red on all 3 tanks, then i am easily countered

[untold prawn]

Was asking cause I'm only aware of 2 red defense tanks

[steady abyss]

When attacking, you can see if there is no karin(should be less common now and hibiki becoming popular again) to use hoshino

[light condor]

yeah, i am actually waiting. Waiting for Marina.

[stuck flint]

Do you guys change teams when stacking?

[light condor]

but marina is going to replace Eimi.

[untold prawn]

Stacking??

[steady abyss]

Atacking I guess. And yes, depending on enemy's first student and supports

[light condor]

do you mean stacking as in stacking attacks on the same defense team?

[steady abyss]

S and A are near in the keyboard

[untold prawn]

Oh typo

[light condor]

i usually go with a default attack team, once they cant clear it in a single match, i see what made me lose the battle. and utilize different positioning OR exchanging my students

[untold prawn]

When I atk I do change formations and units depending on how I lose

[light condor]

if it's purely skill rotation related, i just try again but reset my rng with voodoo

[untold prawn]

Cause I want to reduce the amount of rng in the fight as much as possible

[steady abyss]

If I see a hoshino as the first student I bring iori, if I see an iori I bring haruka, if I see a tsubaki, standard team, if I see a shun I sometimes also bring haruka in the last spot since it could be iori in front(or S hina, I know)

[light condor]

I hsve bad experience using iori on A1 or A2 with an enemy Hoshino D1. It's either Hoshino kills her with EX or tsubaki stuns Iori. Or nothing happens and hoshino focuses on Iori

Too much rng for me

Instead i use their positioning to my advantage and push the battlefield downwards.

[steady abyss]

I have bad experience with iori A1 but A2 worked well for me

As long as A1 is not shun, because if like that shun does her skill, iori runs for cover and its the same as A1 iori but slower

[light condor]

I actually only use the A1 cover as a route extender. If tsubaki is A1, she'll get blocked by the cover and takes a longer way, therefore influencing my team's centroid => and out of enemy smash's sight

[steady abyss]

Smash and karin ex order also makes a big difference, sometimes it's just sad

Im wondering if bringing aris/haruna indoors would be good enough agaisnt tsubaki's without smash because I planned on not using her if possible

My aris is ue40 so she's strong enough but it's a rng fest for her to hit tsubaki. Haruna hits more but mine is ue30 and worse mood

I think it's safe to use them both before NY Mutsuki comes, since they won't die from an hibiki's barrage or a sneaky haruka(shun is not a threat anymore)

[light condor]

i feel like aris comps only make sense with a Shun start (like with BKarin)

i am happy to be proven wrong

i have some side preparations to make smash go with o.nodoka due to my indoor queen being responsible for killing all yellow threats

but i may change her out with hibiki

[steady abyss]

Do you have sunglasses iori?

[light condor]

once indoor pvp starts, yes.

right now i am slowly cutting the eligma costs by daily sweeps

[steady abyss]

Hmm, my iori is not so good as she never spook me. I guess I need to spend eligma too, or avoid using her with something like Akane/Haruka/Aris/Shun/hibiki/smash maybe?

But not using iori is going to be a big drawback in my bracket

[light condor]

it's really hard to tell based on theories alone. Everyone is focusing on their Iori so all I can really do is to make her value useless by matching her with my tanks

[steady abyss]

Which is going to be scary with all those sunglasses iori around

[light condor]

If you want to use Iori (and without Smash) her EW40 becomes vital

EW50 is overkill

[steady abyss]

Yeah, if not she won't hit tsubaki

[light condor]

it's the premise of not replacing smash and any blue dps, i guess

like some people go with bkarin and double blue tank

[steady abyss]

Who is the other blue tank?

Ah, natsu

[light condor]

S.Tsurugi

[steady abyss]

Ok that's a choice I didn't think of, but also requires eligma

[light condor]

yeah, it's a commitment

[light condor]

but then again, some people overcommit in raids so you just pick what works best for you

s.tsurugi, while she doesnt have a tank's worth of HP, can dish out some mean cone-sized blue dmg

[steady abyss]

True. But sometimes both can work it out together. Iori is the best unit next pvp season and she is also great in many raids

[light condor]

which works good against blue and yellow tanks

[steady abyss]

Actually mine is leveled but just 4*

[light condor]

yeah, i guess starting at 5* she'll see use. With EW40 she has reached max potential.
Some people who really like Tsurugi will most likely go with her

they have other means to combat Iori

[steady abyss]

Maybe by trinity summer rerun I can get more eleph. I got onsen chinatsu this banner and I was thinking they both can work together well(perhaps not in pvp but in other content)

[light condor]

sadly i couldnt pull chinatsu with a ten pull so i'll leave her. I wanted her to work with my Izuna but fate plays a different game

my banner pulls starting at Ako will be pvp-focused only

[steady abyss]

I actually got onsen chinatsu and izuna together in 90 pulls so Im ok with it, got 49k for next banners. But I think Im skipping and regretting onsen nodoka

[steady abyss]

Perhaps this would be the wiser thing to do for me, but I like improving in raids too

[light condor]

yeah, i dont like raid very much but i cant just skip them.

i just set some small personal goal and get platinum rank

[steady abyss]

Yeah, but plat in my eu server is quite easy, so it would be better for me to focus on pvp and pull units like marina or onsen nodoka instead of ny aru, wakamo or ui

But again, sometimes we pull what we want not what we need. Like I did with onsen chinatsu

[light condor]

these are words to live by

after realizing that platinum rank alone is enough to grant me the highest rewards, i kinda lost interest.
If PVP guaranteed same rewards based on platinum/gold/silber rank alone, i maybe feel the same disinterest with pvp as well

[delicate scaffold]

asia is very competitive sadly

[steady abyss]

Specially Korea, if my bracket in the easiest server(global/eu) is already filled with ue30/40/50 students I guess in Korea everyone is maxxed

[untold prawn]

I think day one players would have the majority of farmable students at ue 30 at least

[light condor]

i love it when she says ArenaCombatVictory_01_03

[steady abyss]

Doc Ludwig also got that message, I guess its an error

Or tsubaki skill while the enemy uses karin on hoshino and smash on tsubaki

[light condor]

i feel like urban was much more predictable. Ever since we switched to outdoor terrain, i only win like 3/5 matches while on urban it was a steady 4/5

but it could also be that we have much more options to combat our foes and many more striker formations

[steady abyss]

And I feel indoor is going to be worse

[light condor]

this week is very fun due to the many pvp analysis streams for the upcoming indoor map

[steady abyss]

Or better, depends on how you look at it

[young river]

To see it work even once is quite nice

Though that’s 1 win and 3 losses

[steady abyss]

Does hoshino ex5 gives enough time before the last shot to trigger enemy's tsubaki/hoshino normal skill and cancel them with the last shot? I didn't upgrade her yet afraid of this, but I plan on doing it at some point eventually for hod raid

[young river]

No

[uncut sparrow]

how many times hoshinon stun cancel my stubaki skill

alot

[steady abyss]

Thanks!

[young river]

A perfect junko line
If not for Tsubaki deciding to move back a few seconds after roundstart, every time
If only I had shun, basic would let Junko kill all 3 of them early enough before any movement

[steady abyss]

Since you insist in kirino, wouldn't she be better in an eva team?

[young river]

She would be, I suppose
Maybe one day I’ll raise hare

Or, I’ll do that alongside all the other side projects I want to work on, during outdoor peroro

[steady abyss]

Can you afford side projects?! After my gehenna hell(ako, iori and haruka for the upcoming indoor,ny mutsuki) I start hyakkiyako hell (izuna, wakamo, shizuko) and if possible return to gehenna with onsen chinatsu. And I still think I need someone else when NY Mutsuki drops and I stop using Aris for pvp, but haven't decided

[young river]

I can, I don’t have much I want to/have to raise, especially since I don’t plan on pulling often, and plan to slack in ex until insane becomes more-easily doable (unless I can just unexpectedly clear an insane raid)
I have also accepted that I just won’t perform as well as I could be in content because I’m not wisely using all of my resources on meta/cores
By side project I just mean investments that aren’t 100% for raids
-Preparing Mashiro for JE
-Building Hare/Kirino
-levelling Haruka/Iori for pvp
I also plan to finally M sub hasumi, but that’s for hod, to help in crit malding

[light condor]

assumed raid timeline is hiero, chesed, peroro, HOD, shirokuro
so you could potentially delay building your onsen chinatsu until she is to be used for shirokuro

[steady abyss]

True, actually my izuna came with her and along with wakamo would be for shiro&kuro but yeah onsen chinatsu is my last priority thats why I said "if possible". For chesed, my new pvp iori should be the improvement I needed, for peroro, it will be ny mutsuki(finishing my gehenna hell), for hod fubuki who is valkyrie so no mats issue then hyakkiyako time for shiro&kuro.

[steady abyss]

Actually if I can have ochinatsu faster I may bring her to hod

[light condor]

i am kinda getting excited for indoor but i am worried that I may take some weeks to stay stable top1

[young river]

Kirino dps

[void current]

Isnt that hyrian💀

Also iroha and o.nodoka op

Made in china

[steady abyss]

Kirino, at your service! Im honestly glad to see her do ok somewhere. I feel like no student should be useless, and this is something I value in a game. If I start a game and any other character that is not max rarity is entirely useless, I uninstall directly.

[magic nacelle]

are students considered small or medium sized targets?

thinking about shun's last skill

[young river]

Medium-sized

shun's sub skill works on them

[mystic scaffold]

Litterally there's no useless student

[mystic scaffold]

Lol it's my first time knowing students are medium-sized

[steady abyss]

Even hasumi?

[light condor]

>think of ultimate defense
>people copy it
>think of counter to ultimate defense
>people copy it
>think of defense that is unaffected by counter
>people adjust their defense

[steady abyss]

Nonomi gaming

[jovial talon]

UE nonomi

[young river]

I am actually surprised by the results of this defence
expected all losses

sad to see 0 damage junko, though
I assume the opponent got shun ex roundstart

still need to win against an SMash user, though

Maybe Kirino Haruka Tsubaki Junko would be more effective

but that means D1 kirino
I'll be an attack magnet

which is actually good, means I get more data

[steady abyss]

I almost don't find bunny nerus lately

She's a good rival for you I guess? Since she can't do much to anyone from your team, even haruka

Oh, junko is light armor too

But if I see a shun I always expect an iori or shina in d4

[young river]

Actually, I might try aris instead of junko

[steady abyss]

Why would you want blue damage that is not smash?aris misses tsubaki too frequently

[young river]

backline snipe + shun tank (for at least a few more hits than most others

then again, I have no one to protect shun from

[steady abyss]

For now in your team shun goes against junko doesn't she? And if you take her out, kirino which is special armor too

Maybe you can try midori instead of junko

Cheaper ex

[young river]

Shun's target order is Junko > Haruka > Tsubaki > Kirino

I would
if my midori was built well enough, I guess

only 3* 3747

[steady abyss]

Kirino atk is that low?ouchh I didn't even know

[uncut sparrow]

since shun prefer highest damage
instead of high dps

[young river]

it's highest attack

[steady abyss]

Yuzu also does that doesn't she?but I guess she can't kill shun easily, I wouldn't try, mine is lvl1 and staying like that

[uncut sparrow]

low damage but high attack speed to cheat shun

[young river]

Oh wait
tsubaki has higher attack than Haruka
I wonder why she's being targeted first

maybe I'm just seeing it wrong

[uncut sparrow]

🤨

out of range?

[steady abyss]

Shun usually moves when out of range

Sometimes she just gets in front of the cover lol

[uncut sparrow]

yolooooooo

[steady abyss]

Hey, I was checking students to try and see different options and thought of something:

From 0 to 10, how crazy would be to use utaha once indoor starts

[young river]

Expected D2 tank, but got lucky anyway

I don’t know how utaha would do

[steady abyss]

She gives hp to the(common, indoors) tanks and places those turrents that can bait the enemy and give you time

I just like her since I like summonings in general lol, but I know it sounds kinda crazy

[young river]

Seems ok, but where would she place the turrets?

I guess the viability would depend a lot on that

[steady abyss]

The terrain is not wide like outdoors

And the locker drops fast

So there's a good chance they won't be badly placed. Of course Im just guessing since I haven't seen anyone use her

[steady abyss]

Hoshino in d4 and iori d2? First time I see that honestly

[young river]

Same

[stuck glen]

Utaha auto placement iirc is literally near your student

So they might be useless if was hit with aoe

[steady abyss]

Ok so I bit the bullet and wasted one attack with utaha to see how it went. It was awful

Good that I did because I was going to write things like "even if its near the student, if the turret is in front it may bait other exes and save your backline from hibiki or your tanks from something else". Well it doesn't

First turret placed literally on tsubaki lmao

Others in the middle of nowhere baiting exactly 0 enemies

I died when karin shot my shun who was surrounded by turrets, which of course didn't bait anything

Considering this, no reason to think that indoors the situation would be better, just slighly more turret damage from mood

[uncut sparrow]

bruh

[orchid lodge]

nice Asuna

[stuck flint]

Fellas

How do i counter shun

[waxen parcel]

By using your own shun or shina

[stuck flint]

the only 3 star sniper i have is aru

should i use her or what

[jovial talon]

well you see

shun gives extra cost to the enemy at the start of the battle

and targets your highest atk backline on EX

if you wanna "counter" it's either killing her first or killing the tanks first to reach her

actually i think there's a guide somewhere

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nABQ2atJAHZB8pmwwPNAvalMDdopcRGAEALtFX8D58o/edit

[stuck flint]

Swimsuit hina but depends also .. Your hina should strike first before shun activates her ex skill

Also hibiki and bunny neru

[stuck flint]

hmmm

out of all 3 i only have hibiki

[light condor]

Or you go full tank troup

For example if you use a tank that has more attack than your dps, shun will leave your dps alone.

Some swaggy tactics include using the twins or swimsuit izumi. They're all niche.going hibiki is a good idea. Maybe also go with momoi to reach backline. If enemy shun gets hit, hibiki basic skill will most likely finish her

[blazing oak]

F

[thick sonnet]

[light condor]

I am sure it's a battle with his B.Karin getting the first shot and killing everyone

[blissful ice]

peak PVP moment

[wispy island]

miss miss miss

[steady abyss]

Xcom vibes

[light condor]

STRUGGLE ALL YOU WANT, THE BULLET IS ALREADY SHOT

[young river]

Another unexpected win

[steady abyss]

I guess that iori was ue40? If not its tsubaki's playground

[sly scaffold]

https://imgur.com/kQBUZtO

[ripe swallow]

Just gonna ask. When will the nxt pvp updat3 happen? Iment tbe environment update that is

[stoic oxide]

To Be Announced

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timid geode]

HAHAHA

[raw crypt]

@ripe swallow was already announced to be on the 26th

[valid kernel]

nodoka banner = indoor

[jovial talon]