Samurai Jack

[hot pine]

Jack isnt even crazy good in twos. You need a good partner, with a character that can kill. that shouldnt be the case.

[drowsy idol]

Ya know this is so true lol. I def have had team ups with Morty’s, finns, velmas before where we keep racking up the teams damage to above 150 and they won’t die lol. Also now the new grey health perk is becoming meta so it takes a bit longer to kill because of that.

[carmine quartz]

The fact you say this I know you play Jack lol 👌🏽

Im annoyed how often you can dodge out of his combos and even when it hits it doesn’t kill till way later your opponent has the chance to kill you

[drowsy idol]

Not as good as the rest of you but he’s def in my top 3 most used characters lol

[carmine quartz]

I play Nubia and Raven as well so if you ever need a good teammate hit me up

My Jack is level 30 I think

[drowsy idol]

God damn! My jack is only 16

[carmine quartz]

Aye that’s some time. Well enough to see his strengths and weaknesses

[drowsy idol]

For 2’s appreciate it, I may take up your offer eventually lol. None of my friends grind like I do.

I currently have banana plat 2
Jack gold 5
WW gold 1, WW my newest character barely started playing because of the variant boost in ranked lol

I tried Raven a lot on release but sadly she just isn’t for me.

I also use Stripe a lot but he’s more my dedicated 1’s character

[gritty fable]

Tbh level doesn't always equal skill

I played Batman for a few hours and beat a Batman main that had 4k+ wins twice with little to no issue in a ditto

[carmine quartz]

Level just means experience

Also

Batman has always been top tier

So I’m not surprised he got that much

But I’ve played others with Waaaaaayy more wins

Could mean Beta player

[carmine quartz]

For sure bro! Banana Plat 2? Almost diamond. Yeah I’m pretty good in twos with Jack. Arena Mode too.

[drowsy idol]

Ah yea arena has been super fun once I figured out what were the strong perks lol. I usually win 1st if I luck out and get Jack or Superman in that mode.

[edgy ledge]

buff Jack

[carmine quartz]

JACK VARIANTS

OLD KING JACK
(Portal Guardian had a vision of the future that Jack would be ready to fight him, he had a crown and greying hair long hair)

DJ JACK
(Jack had to rescue kids from an evil dj and wore a funky Dr suess hat and a pacifier. Like a funky hip hop look.)

JACKS DAD
(Jacks dad was the first to wield the righteous sword forged by the gods. He had awesome samurai armor.)

EVIL JACK
(AKU used Jacks anger and hate and made an evil doppelgänger of Jack. Red and black color palette long wild hair. Evil grin.)

NINJA OF LIGHT JACK
(Jack was once hunted by a Ninja of shadow. Jack needed to use his light ninja skills to defeat it. Ninja outfit. All white color palette.)

EXTRA-
HUMAN AKU
(AKU turned himself “human” to have a fair fight after a deal with Jack. He looks goofy to me but would be interesting and cool to see as a variant!)

Jack honestly only needs these. And he’s done forever on variants.
Im a HUGE Jack fan. Childhood hero. I love Jack. I’d love to see these as one of Jacks biggest fans in MVS.
PLEASE SEE THIS PFG

[drowsy idol]

Ninja of the light is all I need lol

[obsidian crane]

skibidi?

[leaden sedge]

said so

[obsidian crane]

skkkkkkkkkkkiiibbbbbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiiiiiidiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[edgy ledge]

I'm gonna drop my sword down a well

[drowsy idol]

Bros, we been nerfed……

[edgy ledge]

but shields are so damn good I don't even care

Jack feels good with them

[drowsy idol]

Oh he does? I havnt played with shields at all so that’s a whole new thing for me to learn

[edgy ledge]

yes, I'm having a good time with him now

pfg thank you for shields, now give us back our grab bruh

[leaden sedge]

they wont, they gave the same treatment to jason and smith

[edgy ledge]

well shi, guessing I'm reading 😭

[carmine quartz]

How the heck did Jack get nerfed again, and Shaggy gets buffed?! LOL

[edgy ledge]

because pfg hates us

and the fact ppg got their 0tds back baffles me

[carmine quartz]

I think I might be done with this game now.
So many issues with so many characters man…
Like. When I roll and dodge out the way of an attack I should be able to punish my opponent after.

[leaden sedge]

u can with shield

[drowsy idol]

Yea Jack with shields not too bad. His shield breaker has awesome range, I do find myself being less aggressive tho. Against someone who shields a lot I have to empty jump towards them, land and shield breaker, then giant damage afterwards.

[carmine quartz]

I’ll see.

Can’t shield in air though obviously…. Morty up air dodge attack strings is ridiculous

I just don’t understand the balance in this game

[tepid cipher]

Whats a good perk setup for Jack?

[leaden sedge]

5%, snowball, collat and pugilist

[tepid cipher]

Thanks

[edgy viper]

Why 5% why not mindful flow or shadow step.

Also what is Jack's combo potential, right now it seems like he doesn't really have any reliable combos.

[leaden sedge]

mindful is useless and shadowstep is very situational

[leaden sedge]

jab 12 uptilt cancel into upair

[edgy viper]

It doesn't always work though, idk if it's the weight system, pfg's garbage hit box detection or both but sometimes I can't do uptilt even when I am as close as I can be.

[leaden sedge]

small chars cant get hit by it

and it s di able

[edgy viper]

So it's kinda terrible?

[bright dagger]

Down attack is legit the only true combo out of jab I think

Unless you IAD

Like you can jab IAD up air

[edgy viper]

Not really since depending on spacing and character it doesn't connect.

And for the jab jab into down attack honestly what good would it be since you want jack to be close.

[bright dagger]

It's, like, kinda a kill confirm at higher percents

And with how long other characters can live against Jack he'll take what he can get

[edgy viper]

At what percent cause even after 100% where most spikes would kill Jack's don't regularly do that.

[leaden sedge]

noy rlly u always try to use it atleast 1-2 times and check if they get caught

cuz it s really good

[leaden sedge]

not at all that thing doesnt kill

it s better going for jab12 - IAD grab

[bright dagger]

Does grab even kill any better

In my experience it almost never does

[leaden sedge]

no but already puts them in a disadvantage stage more than dtilt

[edgy viper]

No it does knock them off the stage but, it can also lead you to becoming unsafe too. And only kills at around 140

[edgy viper]

Doesn't seem like jack has much to offer I'm 1v1s then.

[leaden sedge]

no he only does pure reads

[edgy viper]

Considering the stuff a good chunk of the roster can do, reads isn't much here since he cannot capitalize like they can. The PPG is a major example cause they can get into a combo that is basically a tod cause you can't dodge or anything and just have to accept the lost of stock.

[edgy viper]

Will say most assassins and a few mages are the worst offenders. But for most, for the damage he does I feel he can't really do much when you get past a certain point.

[edgy viper]

So I found out that I'm probably gonna be dropping jack for 1v1s cause not only is there the stuff I mentioned before but now apparently his passive that gives him weakened doesn't even work in 1v1 thanks to the fact it is reliant on having an ally and the devs didn't put in a version of it where jack can use it alone.

[edgy ledge]

Jack in 1s is ass

just play 2s with him if you want to have fun

[edgy viper]

Why should I be punished for wanting to play him in 1v1 and be forced into 2v2s because PFG forgot to make a version that works in 1v1.

Legitimately asking because now I have to reset and pretty much just hope and pray I can actually get to gold now thanks to this bs.
Maybe if it was only 2v2 I can agree but now I gotta start thinking that not only is he ass in 1v1s but now if the wacky matches are FFA he's screwed there too.

[edgy viper]

Also I hate the 2v2 match ups. Just makes the matches more luck thanks to randos.

[carmine quartz]

That’s what I end up doing g every season. I play 1v1. Get upset then I get depressed, then I end up playing 2v2

[edgy viper]

Then get stuck at a lower rank because now you are dependent on randos?

[carmine quartz]

Well how low? Also I play with randos until it gets crazy. I usually just invite a friend or go on discord

[edgy viper]

Right now bronze since I only played 1v1 until I found that jack is gimped. But the teams I had to play just cements the fact that the games balancing is a joke.

[edgy viper]

Idk what to do anymore with jack, 1v1 he's trash and 2v2 is just the same but more.

[carmine quartz]

Dang. I usually stop at Plat or Diamond, mostly Diamond V. Then it gets too much.
I have reached Master with Jack in 1v1 before I think last season actually but it’s super difficult and a time sink.
It’s way more enjoyable to just grab a friend you can trust and play 2v2.

I play Raven, Nubia, Jason, too

[edgy viper]

Yeah and I am now stuck at bronze 2 I cannot play jack it seems since he is absolutely trash now 1v1 sucks and 2v2 is way to frantic that if you have him against higher tiered characters he can't keep up

[carmine quartz]

You just need a decent team mate to watch your whiff and end lag. After that it makes it way easier for Jack to punish and find reads.

[edgy viper]

Well I kinda did with a superman player but we just get combo rolled by characters like bg and ppg.

[carmine quartz]

DM me and I’ll show you.

I’m in a Marvel Rivals match though hahah

[edgy viper]

Oh I see well dm me when you can.

[edgy viper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/s/dIwOZf6NiH idk what the rule is on posting spmething from another site but this is where I stand on jack right now. im still trying to learn and play him but i cant lie and say it isn't a problematic time now.

If anyone disagrees let me know but this is just what it is now.

[edgy ledge]

of course you get shi for it in the replies 😭

I agree with the post tho I feel like Jack needs some more kill power and a good kill confirm and just being pure reads to kill

[carmine quartz]

I think his forward air needs a tipper or better kill power.
His focus side slash needs more kill power.
His up air/up air special needs more kill power.

[edgy ledge]

these are all fire, especially with sair if it had a tipper it'd be dope and would be something I use alot more

I feel focus side b needs to connect better and lock the opponent in place with it touches them

or some way of making all the slashes hit

and up air deserves better

[edgy viper]

If nothing else make his focused attacks have more knock back.

[obsidian crane]

is jack just really bad at killing still or is it just me?how do yall kill?

i constantly deal tons of damage but struggle to kill untill the enemies damage is like 150

[pseudo knot]

Dash attack, throw off stage, sair near killzone.

Alternate up air and arial up special, with a dodge read or two....

They want you to chase off stage or ledge guard. Essentially think horizontal not vertical.

[edgy viper]

Yeah he's kinda bad at kills on average

[edgy viper]

Ok so I have to ask this since yes I checked the comments in the reddit post and it's about as obvious as it is but WTF is so broken about Jack's side b?

IMO I never thought it was that good since it had wind up and due to jack being in one spot he can be dodged or interrupted and the line on his sword mad it obvious where he would go.

Is there a tech I am not getting cause I just keep hearing ablut jack spamming it as if jack can some out make the move come out in a fraction of a second.

Please help me understand.

[obsidian crane]

good players agree its not that crazy especially with shields now lol

it was really good before when with powered up sideb it still did the back and forth even if you missed basically guaranteeing a hit but now you obviously you need to hit the first slash for that to happen

[edgy viper]

But even then it was predicable so what is going on? People keep trying to gaslight me saying that jack has some hidden haha f*ck you tech that makes him broken and I have no idea what they are on about. I'm being told jack has reach, his jab is fast and good and I my mind I am just seeing that it's only half right.

Jab is good but you whiff if at a certain space when trying to combo, he has reach in side b but not only is it his only real approach tool it's not that good and he is a close to slightly midranged character.

He is op on 2v2 which is not remotely true.

And I am just dumbfounded that I keep getting no matter what I try to understand all I hear is essentially a boy who cried side b spam shtick.

[edgy viper]

I know I asked this sorta but is there any true combos I could learn.

[edgy ledge]

jab jab down tilt and jab jab iad grab (works at 110 plus for light foes and 120 plus for medium foes, but doesn't work on heavies)

jab jab up tilt is true on most, if not all bigger fighters

and then there is jab jab iad up air which works on bigger foes

that's it to my knowledge

[drowsy idol]

Yea man I been dumbfounded by this aswell. As a Jack main I would love all of this to be true lol.

[edgy viper]

How do I iad?

Finally got my goal of hitting gold with jack.

[pseudo knot]

In 2v2 rn he can give strong characters weakened pretty fast.

Jab one is pretty long range, fast, and seems to beat out a lot of stuff. You could keep several characters from landing.

Several moves are big sweeping attacks that hit above, and behind him.

Side special is still deceptively larger than it looks. The endlag is barely there. (Not a big problem post shields though)

[edgy viper]

I get it but idk if I'm wrong with thinking but part of it is how 2v2 works not how good jack is.

He loses his weakness passive in 1v1 and the rest is kinda just there besides the hit box problem and the issues with the blast zones.

[pseudo knot]

5% + double Snowball (14% more damage) + 3x weakened.
20+% more damage

Kinda crazy especially with Heavy hitters.

Weakened includes knockback as well

[edgy viper]

How can I get weakened on 1v1 without river flurry?

Snowball I do have along with speed force and pugilist.

[pseudo knot]

Was talking duos (hint double Snowball)

Still weakened should've been purged already.

[edgy viper]

I caught that after I sent the message. I do hope that if he loses weakened, mark of the samurai gets reworked and can actually be used in both modes.

[pseudo knot]

I often just do 5% because some sig perks are too situational.

I don't mind ally centric perks if you have more than one alternative.

[edgy viper]

Yeah Jack's are in an odd spot.

[edgy ledge]

you need to down diagonally upwards

[edgy viper]

What?

[edgy ledge]

like dodge that way ⬆️ ➡️ and do a attack, and it'll be a air attack

[edgy viper]

Ok I get that so it would basically be jump than diagonally to the opponent?

[edgy ledge]

nah you don't need to jump, it lets you perform air moves on the ground. so you would do jab jab iad into up attack which would be up air

that's what I should of said before

instant air dodge, iad

[edgy viper]

So just dodge in the direction.

[edgy ledge]

yes

then perform a attack mid dodge animation

[edgy viper]

Ok I hate to ask but is there a clip of it? Yes it sounds stupid but it kinda helps to see what the end result looks like.

[pseudo knot]

The circle should fill with your team/player colors if you performed the dodge attack correctly.

[edgy viper]

Not too sure how that looks.

[pseudo knot]

Just after dodge + direction, then input an attack.

[pseudo knot]

Team color in dodge circle, and you'll be performing an attack instead of in the dodge pose.

[edgy viper]

I'll have to see cause I never really thought about the dodge momentum before.

[carmine quartz]

Exactly. Focus slash is worse now because of shields.

[carmine quartz]

💯

[carmine quartz]

💯

[edgy viper]

For anyone who uses an Xbox controller what's the best way for doing an iad I just can't seem to get it down consistently.

[edgy ledge]

I use a ps5 controller so idk but it'll be the same but I just use the d pad for all my movement, not stick

[drowsy idol]

Yea I’m D-pad aswell. I couldn’t do IAD consistently with stick in this game

[edgy viper]

Maybe a little since xbox's dpad is still meh but yeah idk cause to me d pad could end up just becoming more missed inputs.

Only way I can do iad someone is using both sticks right now.

Maybe if I tried a fight pad it could change a little but that is my experience now.

[carmine quartz]

I use Xbox Controller with stick attack.
I feel that once you get insta dash attacks you can learn the rest.

The angle on stick is kinda small, but you just hold in place then input. Not playing at the moment but when I do I’ll update you on how I do it.

Just muscle memory for me now

[edgy viper]

Understood. And that's kinda what I thought but trying to do for instance marceline's side b into iad sair or side b into dair just to understand timing and I am having trouble with both.

[carmine quartz]

Ok so I hold diagonal up enough so that my character runs forward, my dodge is on my right trigger and I pull the trigger and immediately input whatever attack I want so for example air up attack is up on my right stick.

[carmine quartz]

I have shaggy set to dodge away and I can’t really hit side b into iad sair because shaggy pops up too high.

[bright dagger]

Playing against other characters on ranked really does highlight how much the devs hate this character

Getting hit with Harley fair into imagination combos while my jab leads into nothing and my aerials are too slow to do anything with

It's awesome

[edgy viper]

"But we don't want jack to be buffed due to side b spam."

Yeah I agree that he needs some tweaks.

[bright dagger]

He's a whiff punish character in a game where most of the cast has insanely safe options and crazy combos

[edgy viper]

Yeah it sucks. I'm just pointing out that one move has people so scared that they don't want jack at all to get some well rounded buffs or tweaks.

It doesn't help that Jack's game strategy is only half avaliable in 1v1 since it uses the weakend status effect and his passive doesn't work in 1v1.

[edgy viper]

Ok so how about iad into neutral, I feel that the timing is ridiculously quick.

[bright dagger]

Jack side special isn't even spammable anymore

Shields give you a free punish if he tries

[edgy viper]

It wasn't really spammable in the first place IMO it's too predictable compared to other side bs that does the same idea.

[bright dagger]

On release focus side special was totally nuts

Basically beat dodges half the time

Now it isn't even good

For being tied to a resource it kills pretty poorly

And is inconsistent

[edgy viper]

I agree that focus was ridiculous but even that wasn't spammable like how people wanted to say it was.

And yeah his focused attacks should have better knockback and I know part of it is that he is reliant on weakness

Forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't it also added/more prominent when he came out?

[bright dagger]

Weakened being gone is so crippling

Not giving him anything to compensate was criminal

[edgy viper]

"B...but...he has side b spam."

He definitely needs a rework.

IMO I kinda wish that his perks also get switched with ones that gives him more mobility as well if people are gonna keep playing the boy who cries side b.

Ideas I had would be using river flurry as a base but give him options for better speed to go around his side b being one of the only approach tools he had for a long time at the cost of focus, either have him run while swinging the sword twice when he is next to opponents or make him jump higher both at the cost of focus.

And obviously make focused attacks as his high knockback kill moves.

[bright dagger]

He needs frame data and knockback touchups badly

Some of his stuff is so slow and for what

[edgy viper]

And hitbox fixes.

[bright dagger]

They don't send at any angle or end fast enough for you to follow up into anything

And almost nothing he has kills

You have to read air dodges for up specials or off stage down specials

[edgy viper]

Do you feel he takes more effort than most honestly?

[bright dagger]

It's hard to say

He's a super simple character to pilot but in a bad way

Because his kit is very lacking

[edgy viper]

Let's go with being able to kill with him 1v1.

Reason why I ask is that people say Raven and Jason require thought and more effort and at least for Jason I found that ridiculous now.

[bright dagger]

Almost every character has their obvious kill move or setup you can fish for

Jack has nothing

Nothing he has is consistent or easy to hit with until well over 100 where you can maybe jab 1 2 down attack and kill at 150

You have to guess every time to get kills

[edgy viper]

Yeah.

[bright dagger]

It was death by a thousand cuts

Every patch just a handful of little things taken away

And now there's nothing

And the one "substantial" buff he got, cancelling up attack, isn't a huge game changer because it doesn't combo consistently and can't be combod into consistently

[edgy ledge]

I want counter to not be useless

move is balls

along with focus down b and focus side b (when it whiffs)

all of Jacks focus moves needs a touch of something, expect for up special

[edgy viper]

Knockback increase and a bit more strength.

[edgy ledge]

air focus down b is hot ass unless you use the projectile too 😭

no compensation is criminal

[edgy ledge]

and have focus side b lock people in place so I'm not helpless if they drop out of it

[edgy viper]

Doesn't it still do that?

Or is the properties bugged?

[edgy ledge]

nah they can fall out in some cases, it costed me way to many games

If it hits the last slash will miss and you'll get a nice healthy 2 damage

thanks mvs

[edgy viper]

"But side b spam, we can't have him buffed due to side b spam."

"Samurai jack had his reign of terror others now deserve to be in the spotlight"

Yes the second one is a response to me saying to buff samurai jack

[pearl cypress]

Ah yes like Harley for the 5th time

[edgy viper]

Yes it's that stupid.

[edgy ledge]

but let's have Marceline and PPG run free with 0tds

let's have Harley sair loop people to all hell

can't have Jack getting buffed in the slightest

[edgy viper]

Well marceline is new.

But for ppg "no no they got nerfed so they don't need to rely on spam" even though they all try to use the phone attack to do a tod combo.

[edgy ledge]

got nerfed to be buffed again

[edgy viper]

I'm just saying, everyone is making excuses to justify jack. One said that jack is spammy when admiring they play Tom and Jerry.

Paddle ball, rockets, tennis racket

Oh and the game should be balanced around 2v2. Even though there jack is underperforming.

Along with rank bias even though silver 2 made me around the #600 or so best jack player of the season so 🤷‍♂️

[edgy ledge]

exactly, doesn't make any sense to me

[edgy ledge]

I don't know why they can't do separate patches for 2s and 1s tbh

[edgy viper]

Too much work and that needs to go into characters every quarter of the year or so and cosmetics for starters.

Second probably would be because all the people talking about their character would have to admit to an extent they they were wrong and can't use 2v2 as a crutch.

[obsidian crane]

they need to give more time on armor for his parry now that actual shields exist

moves kinda dookie

went from very unique punish move to a slightly higher reward way riskier shield

[edgy ledge]

the move has always been ass compared to others, we need frame 1 armor and that's really it

[obsidian crane]

or just less whiff

[carmine quartz]

I wish I can spin around grab. That was hecka fun

Especially in 2v2

[wraith imp]

how they can fix/refresh jack (pls pfg):
Make jab 2 pull in instead of pushing out. This can make up tilt combos more consistent. Buff the damage on this move as well
Uptilt: scoops in better so it doesn’t whiff on smaller characters like gizmo and finn. Make the second hit consistently ground bounce better so you lead it into tech situations, but don’t overdo it so you can still di it at lower percents. Also buff the damage a bit
Focus: Focus is kinda bad. It’s Jack’s whole gimmick and it’s not even good.

1. Focus side special should have invincibility when you hit the move meaning you can’t be hit out of the move. To slightly nerf it, The opponent is placed in the middle of jack’s slashes unable to be hit out of the move and frozen in place until the last slash knocks them back. Since they’re placed in the middle, the kill power gets nerfed but it buffs its combo potential.
2. Focus Air Down Special. This move should throw out the projectile even if your in the air and deal higher knockback . This makes the move kill easier while making it more useful offstage when you have focus.

Grab: Grab has been nerfed in this patch. I feel like the move needs a complete rework. How i’d rework the move is that jack can change the direction of where he wants to throw you. It can be up, down, left, or foward. If you input the move different from foward at all, the move gets put on a 15 second cooldown but you can still grab however you cannot change the direction at all until the 15 seconds is up. This can open up more mixups, combos, and edge guarding for jack.
Also bring back the armor when you grab someone/projectile even if you’re not in focus.

Counter: Counter is a really bad move, In my opinion most of the counters in this game need a rework but if not, they could make counter work similarly to jokers. Where if you aren’t close, it won’t do the elbow but if you are, it does the attack way quicker which you can combo into jab. I think to balance it out, it takes 2 bars of meter.

Up special : This is really a nitpick but at higher percents, you can combo up special easier leading to vertical KO’s

Grounded Down Special (rivers flurry)
Make the hitbox connect better for the start of down b so you can connect it more effectively

Down tilt: Make it do slightly more damage and kill earlier.

Netural Attack: Make the beetle come out a bit faster while slightly buffing the damage alongside it

PLEASE PFG DON’T LISTEN TO THIS COMMUNITY HE’S ACTUALLY SO BAD 🙏🏾😭

[pseudo knot]

Honestly I think I'd have his kit focus on strong clean straight lined slashes.

Less sweeping attacks and more deliberate control.

[edgy ledge]

if he had these changes I'd get back on mvs

[carmine quartz]

This is proof you play Jack and actually know the character.

Great advice for the balance team.

Please put in Game Feedback

[edgy viper]

I'd say as a bit too maybe redo his passive mark of the samurai into something that works with his focused attacks if nothing else.

[wraith imp]

Hmmm i’m not sure how they could incorporate mark of the samurai. Maybe some time of tp when you use a focus move on your teammate

That could work

[trim palm]

I especially like your suggested grab change

It definitely hasn't been the same since it got nerfed

[bright dagger]

Isn't it insane they gave Marceline basically the same fair as Jack but it's faster and kills earlier

Really makes you think

[trim palm]

And it can actually be comboed into

[bright dagger]

It's really hard to think of a single thing this character does well that does't come with a giant asterisk

I'm starting to be convinced he has nothing going for him at all

[leaden sedge]

he doesnt

he only has weakened in 2s

otherwise play another char

[bright dagger]

I put the time in and already got to diamond

I'm in too deep now

Plus he was my most wanted

I'm loyal for better or worse

[carmine quartz]

And I haven’t seen any complaints about it.

[bright dagger]

I don't think there's a single character in this game with less kill moves than Jack

At least none with less safe kill moves

[carmine quartz]

Jack feels like an unfinished character to me because he’s been nerfed so hard.

His grab, his focus gimmick, his one hit slashes. His dash attack… Fair and Up tilt always whiffing especially on short characters like Finn and Gizmo.

[bright dagger]

Plus he has no combos, no kills, and no sauce

[carmine quartz]

His combo potential is super low. I wish it was higher.
But being a sword guy I get it, but even then his slashes don’t have any power to em.
I can get a good fair on an over 100 dmg opponent mid air off stage and they most likely wont die.
And yet… you got other characters like MARCELINE that can do that but better.
And Jack gets the hate.

It all makes zero sense to me

[bright dagger]

Honestly if he had kill power I could excuse a lot of the other problems

[carmine quartz]

Oh, and they knew his slashes don’t have any power to them so they gave him weakened stacks but they even took that away… lol

[bright dagger]

There's a cool niche he could fill by being a whiff punish/reads character who hits hard

Like a Samurai Shodown character

But he does nothing right now

[leaden sedge]

pfg just sucks

hard too

[drowsy idol]

I just hope PFG visits this sometimes because all of you drop Golden ideas on how to fix Jack. I havnt disagreed with anything yet.

Jack just needs something, giving him Marceline’s Sair would be incredible!

[drowsy idol]

I did not know this, how does he give weakened to the opponent?

[leaden sedge]

samurai mark

[drowsy idol]

Damn I’ve never noticed that passive ability. Ima look out for it next time I use him in Arena

[obsidian crane]

it is very funny cheesing kills at ledge by spamming downb though

so many matches where im geting destroyed with a stock difference and i just manage to clutch it out at 100 dmg last stock by spamming at a ledge

[bright dagger]

Don't say that or they'll nerf it's hitboxes or shave another active frame off again

That move feels like it gets nerfed every patch

[carmine quartz]

That is 100% opponents fault. I wouldn’t even call that cheese.
I’ve tried that on better opponents and rarely works.
It is funny though.
But isn’t like Superman Grab boost Sair cheese

[bright dagger]

Any "cheese" this character has relies on your opponent being very stupid

[mental ingot]

I also just like the thinking pose Jack does after it

[carmine quartz]

YO I got last stock with it and he instantly did thinking pose after lol had me laughing

[carmine quartz]

Exactly.
He’s actually very easy to parry, his nair, side b, air down special, very telegraphed moves.

[bright dagger]

He might have some of the slowest overall frame data in the game

His jab isn't even that fast it's just big

And for how slow his kit is the reward you get for landing moves is pitiful

[carmine quartz]

And what’s crazy is that there are better jabs in game

[bright dagger]

It used to be a really great jab but it's less safe on shield than a lot of others so it got indirectly nerfed

[wraith imp]

i don’t even think he has any move that’s safe of shield

[leaden sedge]

if jab isnt safe then nothing is

[bright dagger]

If you want to be incredibly pedantic the grab obviously is

[wraith imp]

ig. I feel like they tried to make jack a swordie with huge range, could rack up damage if he gets his hands on you but struggles to kill

that’s why they gave him weaken

Since weaken is practically gone expect rivers flurry, I personally think that jack’s combo games needs to be tweaked

up tilt not connecting is extremely frustrating and his damage is also kinda low

It would make more sense for him to do lots of damage with great range with amazing edgeguarding with. pretty decent recovery however he kinda struggles to kill, gets juggled easily. combo food, and has some hefty endlag.

I do think he also needs a slight weight buff

[obsidian crane]

oh yeah jack does terrible damage lol

comapred to someone like shaggy that does 20+ dmg off single moves no strings attached

[wraith imp]

yeah fr. I understand him struggling to kill cause he doesn’t kill in the show except when it was necessary, so him needing to get reads with a focus slash type move makes sense to kill

[wraith imp]

his focus moves should also break armor. And do a slightly more damage. They practically have the same mechanic and you can argue that shaggy gets his rage better…

him being a combo heavy swordie with insane range but struggles to kill makes sense for him

unless he gets a rivers flurry off and a good edgeguard read

[obsidian crane]

or they should bring back the old focus rates back considering they have been nerfed prety heavily overall

[wraith imp]

i guess

he still gets it often tho

[carmine quartz]

They should or buff his dmg and knockback with Focus attacks. When Jack gets focus it’s just not scary. It’s just “oh ok, he has a lil somethin”.
When Shaggy has “focus”, you better focus on what he’s doing or die lol. That’s what I’d expect from Jack.
Like blade beam doesn’t even work in air…

[leaden sedge]

u surely dont wanna get raven's "focus" too

[carmine quartz]

lol I almost forgot!
Raven “Focus” Sair/Up air is straight death

[bright dagger]

Focus is such a tragic mechanic unless you're right above him or deep off stage it's never a threat

For being a charge mechanic it's pathetic that the moves can sometimes not kill at over 120

It's embarrassing

[leaden sedge]

jack is the rappresentation of pfg balancing design

good idea

TERRIBLE execution

[bright dagger]

It was decent execution until they took weakened out of the game

With the perk that gave your hits weakened at over 100 he was a bit of a powerhouse sometimes

[leaden sedge]

nop

if a character heavily relies on a status effect

which appears to be broken too

that s not good at all

[leaden sedge]

true but still really poor balancing design

[carmine quartz]

Unless that’s what was intended.

But I think weakened was just slapped on Jack just like how his meaningless grey health was.

The grey from meditation IS a cool idea, but it’s so small it’s useless.

That’s why I said before that Jack feels like an unfinished character, or at least one that is not complete.
He has so many aspects that turn a corner that end a dead end.

Focus slash is way better in 2v2. It just makes sense.
In 1v1, especially now, it makes zero sense.

Even then, it can’t kill like other moves can.
Or rather it doesn’t kill as you would expect a “Focus” attack would.

[trim palm]

It also drops often

[carmine quartz]

Yes

And the fact that they designed Up Tilt to be a combo tool while it WHIFFS 100% on some characters and on others it’s a coin toss is awful.

Like why?

Who thinks that’s ok on the design team?

Because there’s no way it’s gone unnoticed.
They know, they are aware.

Same with that stupid Edge Glitch when you just get stuck

They are aware of that. But it hasn’t been EVER fixed.

Anyway.

I don’t like going on rants

Jack just needs a “buff”

[drowsy idol]

Merry Christmas fellow Samurai 🔥

[bright dagger]

All I want for Christmas is buffs

[edgy ledge]

not happening

for 2025 I want Jack to be great

[leaden sedge]

not happening

[carmine quartz]

Im convinced now that Jack isn't good because of shields

His focus slash doesn't even hit multi times for hitting shield and it should

All his attacks are telegraphed

Single hits

Except nair

[edgy ledge]

It was delusion that fueled me, he's ass still

bottom 5 definitively in 1s

and high B or mid B in 2s

depending on the partner

without a good one or good team up, I say probably low B high C

[bright dagger]

Everything is minus on block

It's bad

[drowsy idol]

Jack with hard hitter perk level 3 from arena is exactly the damage output I expect from him given his slowness and minus frames.

In arena with offense perks he feels so 🔥

[carmine quartz]

I haven't genuinely laughed in joy for this game for a while until I played Arena.
We were losing to a impossible matchup against a super speed Harley. Then I got a legendary perk that made me giant and it was purely hilarious lol and won.

But yeah… it makes me sick to see players complain about Jack, especially now.

[drowsy idol]

Hell yea bro. I been messing with so many perk combos for Jack.

My best by far that hasn’t lost yet is
Hard hitter
Gold suit (holding 100 coins)
Vampiric
Brain and brawn(only when another bruiser or mage is on the squad)

If my partner isn’t a bruiser or mage then I’ll trade for the batarang perk.

Jack with a projectile is amazing lol

[edgy ledge]

happy new year Jack enjoyers

for 2025 I want what we all want

buffs

and plenty of them 🙂

[bright dagger]

2025 will be our year

I can feel it

[edgy ledge]

the year of the foolish Samurai warrior

I like it

[drowsy idol]

Happy new years!

[trim palm]

Happy new year

[digital idol]

As long as there is delusion, there is hope.

[bright dagger]

Finally in master with this god forsaken character

Season 5 please save me this climb was painful

[trim palm]

Congrats

[edgy ledge]

hoping we get buffs whenever the next patch is 🗣️ this character is miserable

[trim palm]

#buffJack

[edgy ledge]

hoed again

[leaden sedge]

shu up

you always get jack nerfed or untouched

[edgy ledge]

😡

I hope your sword cracks

[carmine quartz]

I don’t think Jacks sword can crack

[brave briar]

bro I'm trying to main Jack but I can't kill. A black Adam was at 180 and neither my jab nor my specials killed him😔 😣

[trim palm]

Jack has no kill power unfortunately

[edgy ledge]

give up on Jack, my friend

you can keep trying him but it'll be a very very hard journey

if you want to have fun, don't play him

[pseudo knot]

His kill move on stage is dash attack, but you're supposed to ledge guard or chase people out.

Personally I think heavy attacks should kill at high percents across the board. For some reason there's characters that's designed to KO in a specific way.

[carmine quartz]

This… why is there the disadvantage of charging a heavy just for it to mediocre damage and not kill?

Like his down smash attack stab… why moves like that don’t kill? It’s so bad

[pseudo knot]

Heavy is 20-19 damage and does kill near the sides.

I'd argue that something that needs that much charge should kill in center stage though.

Again they want you to kill at the edge with him.

[carmine quartz]

It should that’s what I’m saying. Jacks forward air charge doesn’t do that much damage, but I guess that isn’t a “heavy”.

[gaunt tapir]

So long my Samurais

[carmine quartz]

He was my most anticipated character…

It was an honor to pick up the sword of righteousness and defeat evil one last time.

I can’t believe this game… this Multiverse… is ending.

It had literal INFINITE POTENTIAL.

My childhood hero… fr

[drowsy idol]

Yea man wow, the game really was improving every update. Now no online support at all? Lame

[rain tendon]

Games in the best state since re release and they're just giving up

Actual shame

[trim palm]

Big agree

[tough axle]

Ik

Its sad asf

[visual bolt]

CHAT

IT'S NOT OVER YET

MAD JACK'S COMING TO SEASON 5 AS A JACK SKIN

(Y'know the clone Aku manifested out of Jack's negative emotions)

I'M GOING TO CRASH OUT HE'S SOMEONE I WANTED TO SEE SINCE SEASON 2

[edgy ledge]

this is a massive W

[bright dagger]

He actually might have combos now

Thank the lord

[visual bolt]

And now we wait

[edgy ledge]

how we feeling on Jack

[quick iron]

2 weeks before the end of the season

[wraith imp]

bro

jack actually had goated combos now

he has a combo game

[edgy ledge]

show the sauce

[drowsy idol]

Let’s see these combos please! It’s time for Jack to take over until May lol

[trim palm]

Jack's battlepass skin is also peak

[edgy ledge]

fr

it's a skin I've wanted after rewatching the show

[trim palm]

Jack and the ultra robots is one of my favorite episodes

[carmine quartz]

Jack has better combo game now, blade beam in air, better cancels… man I’m stunned

[hexed flame]

consistant beam in air was one of my top requests, im glad they added it.

[carmine quartz]

Samurai Jacks up tilt still whiffs

And it’s so sad because he has new combo routes from it

It’s not a consistent hit at all

[wispy pier]

Just found out that the River's Flurry perk still deals weakened in PVP

[drowsy idol]

I was very dissappointed when I realized this too, also learned that some characters can DI inward to completely dodge my follow up after up tilt.

[drowsy idol]

Can rivers flurry connect after jab 2 or it’s still no guarantee??

[edgy ledge]

no guarantee

kinda disappointed about that but it's whatever I guess

[drowsy idol]

Jab, jab, D tilt is probably my fav change so far, at 150-170 that Dtilt will kill for sure now

Also having down special projectile always coming out has been amazing for me

[edgy ledge]

d tilt can kill now?

damn that's pretty cool

uncharged to 75% charge neutral kills too

just can't combo into it to my knowledge but it's there

[wispy pier]

I just realized that I was wrong about this. It's not the river's flurry perk but the "mark of the samurai" passive that's been dealing weakened. This only works in 2v2.

[livid crag]

hola samurai jackers

local jake main here trying to get into him. was hoping for tips on playstyle and combos?

[edgy ledge]

your banner is wicked work

but uhh ion really got much for tips

[gaunt tapir]

learn how the other person plays and their DI

do that to predict their recoveries for edge guards and out of jabs options

and focus air down special can lead into side special

use IAD uair out of jab 2

[livid crag]

nice, thanks

[livid crag]

any bread and butter combos i can learn?

[gaunt tapir]

Jab, jab, IAD uair
Jab, Jab, up tilt

these dont work on short characters btw

Jack does bad against short characters

and doesn’t have tons of true combos

hes very read based

[livid crag]

ahh, bet

not too diff from jake then

[gaunt tapir]

also remember your counter beats projectiles

[livid crag]

#clips message

[edgy ledge]

Jackin' rn

skin voicelines are bugged

[visual bolt]

That's because they don't exist.

There were plans to get new voice lines for Mad Jack recorded, and while captions exist for the new lines if you turn them on, due to the game's abrupt closure we never got the actual new voice lines for Mad Jack, so he uses regular Jack's

There's none in the files either because they couldn't get any lines recorded.

[edgy ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-tweaking-meme-genuinely-gif-56679265849328073

[visual bolt]

NEVER MIND

THEY FIXED MAD JACK

[livid crag]

bro was out here spreading misinformation

[visual bolt]

To be fair who thought we would be getting one last update

As much as I wanted one even I didn't think it was gonna happen teehee

[livid crag]

regardless, you have spread misinformation, and consequences must be given
we're gonna have to break your legs...

[edgy ledge]

yeah, gimme the pipe

misinfo speaders gettin' done dirty

[leaden sedge]

stand proud samurais

in the end we escaped the timeline..

[gaunt tapir]

Stand proud