Samurai Jack

[quick iron]

15 if both the blade and the projectile hit, 6 if the projectile hits, with shadow step you can only deal 9

[viral smelt]

As long as the opponent doesn't dodge.

[quick iron]

shadow step is dodgable too yk?

[viral smelt]

Only if they see it coming.

[quick iron]

well that projectile is fast too, i dont see many people dodging it

[viral smelt]

Only in focus, it's fast. When not in focus, it's slow.

[quick iron]

so youre telling me shadow step is better then 5percent more damage?

and lets not forget shadow step is kinda useless against bruisers/ tanks if you dont count some projectiles like shaggy's sandwich

[viral smelt]

High or low damage, it's better to hit close than miss from afar

[viral smelt]

Only if the opponent's damage is too high.

[quick iron]

if the opponets damage is too high youre better off just killing them with normal moves

[viral smelt]

And if they keep spamming projectiles?

[quick iron]

they wont after your first successful counterattack

[viral smelt]

Well you aint wrong there.

[viral smelt]

I still say shadow step is the useful perk.

[quick iron]

5 percent damage is way better.

[viral smelt]

Only if they don't see it coming.

[quick iron]

do a counter against a lebron once, see if theyll every throw their ball again

[viral smelt]

Already did that. As well as tom and jerry, black adam, velma. Hell even bugs bunny.

And he was using the safe move.

[quick iron]

hes dumb then

[viral smelt]

I think I remember countering batman's batterang as well

I still need work on countering Gizmo's arrows. I need perfect timing to pull it off.

[quick iron]

countering arya's side b feels so freakin good

[viral smelt]

Countering any projectiles always felt so good. As long as it's not armor breakers.

[quick iron]

arya's side b aint a projectile

that feeling where you read her super fast dash literally feels like heaven

[viral smelt]

I bet the player was unhappy lol

[leaden sedge]

i did it once

was very good

[quick iron]

i always try it lol

works 50%

[wraith imp]

imo jack is definitely somewhere in the top 10

prolly at the bottom with smith but you can argue for either way

[leaden sedge]

Smith is thousand yards better than him though

[wraith imp]

No not rly. Smith has a better combo extender but jack has the best jab in the game with the best air down special in the game as well

also smith’s recovery is pretty dog

also smiths jab is definitely top 3

[leaden sedge]

yeah but smith's jab s not that bad

and can get you either 0-70 or 0-tod if he does simple reads

[wraith imp]

i said it was top 3

and that’s true

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[wraith imp]

but bro i’m telling you the up tilt buff is something else

[leaden sedge]

mb bbut wanted to point out the rest

[wraith imp]

that’s fair

and down special in the air is rly good as well

like too good

[leaden sedge]

our uptilt is good but still misses to small/light chars and sometimes groundbounce doesn't work

[wraith imp]

do iad up air and then read what they do

[leaden sedge]

it is one of his best tools

[wraith imp]

if they dodge left, hit them with down air

[leaden sedge]

yeah i resort to that if they re small

[wraith imp]

and down special in the air now ground bounces

which makes it actually broken

[leaden sedge]

yep

that s a rlly good change

i d want his reverse grab though or armor

and uptilt working 100%

but he s in a fine spot

[wraith imp]

they need to tweak his focus side special also

[leaden sedge]

misses way too much on hit

[wraith imp]

they should make it so jack doesn’t get interrupted during the move and the opponent gets put in the middle

putting them in the middle also nerfs the kill power but makes the move more consistent

[leaden sedge]

so basically making it look like a grab

[wraith imp]

practically

[leaden sedge]

that s a change i d like a lot

[wraith imp]

also makes it rewarding to read your opponent and hitting it

[leaden sedge]

it should have armor for how much it gets interrupted

ofc that s not a real thing i want

[wraith imp]

i mean. i guess

[leaden sedge]

we can just hope tmrw since ajax asked for tweaks in some chars

that we get something

[wraith imp]

wait the update is tomorrow?

[leaden sedge]

yep

[wraith imp]

damn

hopefully

[leaden sedge]

and will make ww a comboable char for us too

so it wont be a -40 mu

[wraith imp]

idk the matchup seems even to me

the only characters jack really struggles with is zoners like tnj and morty

that’s about it

[quick iron]

Jack is high mid Tier imo

[quick iron]

Nah he actually struggles more against fast paced asassins like ppg/arya/finn/harley.

[gaunt tapir]

Finn and Arya are pretty awful for him

they get him in the air hes cooked

[wraith imp]

the harley matchup isn’t a factor anymore. And we beat ppg’s

the only assassins he don’t do good against is just arya and finn

[quick iron]

how do we BEAT ppgs???

[wraith imp]

simply out-ranging them

but the rainbow dash perk is an issue to deal with

also we exploit they’re recovery decently enough. You could argue an even mu

and jack has a pretty good mu on batman aka the best character in the game currently

[quick iron]

🤨

[wraith imp]

bro. The uptilt combos he can pull off on batman are really good.

and we completely out range him

[quick iron]

you know batman can di out of it right?

[wraith imp]

yeah

But when he doesn’t he gets comboed to 50

[quick iron]

then how is it "really good"

[quick iron]

when he doesnt

and combo to 50 is only possible if you tech read/ dodge read

[wraith imp]

Jacks jab reads every tech situation

you just gotta anticipate it

[quick iron]

you cant read a tech situation with jab in air

[wraith imp]

?

You know a tech happens when you ground bounce twice.

Jacks jab is massive still

also iad grab works on him at 110 and rivers flurry down b kill confirms as well

on batman

[quick iron]

i meant most attacks send them far away or diagonal so theyre not really in the reach of a jab

[quick iron]

rivers flurry??? damn havent heard that name in a long time

[wraith imp]

U don’t use rivers flurry

what do you use 😭

[quick iron]

ofcourse not, most jacks use 5percent more damage

[wraith imp]

I love using rivers flurry. It confirms at late percents to no small characters. It basically gives you 2 kill confirms off of jab

If ur in burnout just use rivers flurry. There is no way your gonna not have enough focus for at least 2+ weaken

sometimes on heavy characters like superman, they work extremely well and kill early

[quick iron]

how bruhv

[wraith imp]

i think on superman. It kills around 120 ish

maybe earlier idk

depends on how much focus

[quick iron]

120 on what map

and on the ledge or the middle

[wraith imp]

On the ledge definitely

[quick iron]

well you could just do iad grab instead

[wraith imp]

Ur better off just finishing the jab off of ur at the middle jabbing

[quick iron]

and save your focus for better use

[wraith imp]

on superman and heavier characters it doesn’t work until 140

On lighters characters it works at 110 or earlier

[quick iron]

it works on shaggy at 110

and shaggy aint even that light

[wraith imp]

people around his weight or lighter it works on

any heavier it works at higher

[quick iron]

@leaden sedge any comments?

[leaden sedge]

That is true actually

but the batarang is a pain to manage

[wraith imp]

definitely

[leaden sedge]

ypu have to be careful and counter

[wraith imp]

or grab lol

it is a chore

[leaden sedge]

no more armor

so probs unless it s very far he s gonna dc side air you

[wraith imp]

yea lol

[leaden sedge]

also

the uptilt combo cant be di if he gets to like 20 first i think

i did test it on shaggy garnet and other chars with medium weight

[wraith imp]

yeah. I think batman is slightly lighter than shaggy

i would have to check

[leaden sedge]

have been usinng that combo

it s really easy to tech read indeed

i can do it in 2s, which can be interrupted/distracting

[wraith imp]

I’m telling you this rn jack has the best jab in the game and it’s no contest

the only one i can argue for is probably smiths

[leaden sedge]

yeah, jack has the best jab for frame data

but for utility it s either smith or shaggy

[wraith imp]

it’s definitely the range.

[leaden sedge]

yeah that as well

[wraith imp]

he sticks his foot so far

[leaden sedge]

but it s also very fast

[wraith imp]

He needs it though. His air game is a little sub par but thanks to the god of the game air down special

it’s not rly a problem

[leaden sedge]

as i always said ppl complain about it but dont realize

that it s his only way to be good on ground

[wraith imp]

yes!

but a thing i wish they did for jack is if they made down tilt ground bounce instead of up tilt.

[quick iron]

on batman he can always di out

[wraith imp]

I’ve been labbing jacks jab combos. And it does work on smaller chars. However… You have to space jab perfectly. At the sole of his sandal

I would prefer if up tilt had a better scooping hitbox

[leaden sedge]

i hate that perk lol can't never use it properly, i manage always to think/use a better option

[leaden sedge]

broooo

that was my actual dream

[quick iron]

you could just dc uptilt into sair , its pretty usefull sometimes, and you can get more damage off of it

[leaden sedge]

they removed that from his trailer

[wraith imp]

what’s dc 😭

like instant

[quick iron]

dodge cancel

[wraith imp]

ohhh

Yeah you could

it’s a pretty good anti air

[leaden sedge]

yep which could be good if u play extremely passive

[wraith imp]

true. But jacks jab is a double edge sword

you can hit jacks foot and it would trade

[leaden sedge]

his jab is not his seord but his foot soooo

sword

[wraith imp]

I mean

you gotta point 😭

[leaden sedge]

but luckly

poke them with neutral

even though they nerfed the hitbox???

for some reason

[quick iron]

fr like who was out there abusing neutral lol

[wraith imp]

i mean imo there is no reason to nerf it other than giving it a little more whiff i guess

that’s his way of comboing

i mean same with 90 of these characters

[leaden sedge]

indeed

i am still questioning the nerf on focus side special

when shaggy can still hit you with his foot down on side rage

and travel the entire stage with it

[quick iron]

the hitbox hurts my soul ngl

[leaden sedge]

yeah it sucks

[quick iron]

like the first two slashes will always hit

but thats only 2 damage

[leaden sedge]

like

if they had a problem where it did too much damage..

why do they allow shaggy, someome with better reads rewards, charge WHENEVER HE WANTS, faster rage moves and actual combo into it, do it?

[wraith imp]

Bro

it’s. such a simple fix for that move

[leaden sedge]

fr but they didn't do it for 3 patches

now it misses on hit that s stoopid

[wraith imp]

all they have to do. Is make it so once jack hits it. The char hit gets teleported in the middle. Jack cannot be interrupted during the move’s slashes

that also kinda nerfs its kill power in a way

[quick iron]

nah they should just adjust the length of the next two slashes

[wraith imp]

but he can still get hit out of the move and die for it tho 😭

the slash length is long enough imo

[leaden sedge]

This

[quick iron]

the first one yes, the next two no

[leaden sedge]

would make it cinematic too

[quick iron]

but what about finishing off at 60 on the ledge

[wraith imp]

Look.

they took away its cutscene if it doesn’t hit

[quick iron]

if its about dealing damage you could just do an air down b that connects to the ground

[wraith imp]

So what’s the point.

[leaden sedge]

u ll still probably finish at 60, just need to grab

it ll probably connect way more into it

[wraith imp]

Or just hit down b in the air still. It’s still massive asf

[leaden sedge]

yeah

that too

[wraith imp]

top 5 move in the game btw

[leaden sedge]

gotta agree

it s very good

[quick iron]

lowkey

[leaden sedge]

even tho there could be better moves that dodnt come in my mind

it s very good

[wraith imp]

yeah

definitely his best move

[quick iron]

side b catches them offguard more often when theyre on the ledge

[wraith imp]

AND IT GOT BUFFED

[leaden sedge]

ik

[wraith imp]

oh yeah base side b is also stupid

[leaden sedge]

but with flux change it could still lend to a grab/down air b

and even more easily too

[quick iron]

it wont kill at 60 tho

[wraith imp]

the air down b would do it for you

[quick iron]

what if they dodge

[leaden sedge]

i mean, i d prefer having constitency

[wraith imp]

they won’t. the hitstun is too great

I’ve never ran into that issue

i have many clips of it working

[leaden sedge]

yeah that or

read dodge panic

[quick iron]

so youre telling me side b into air down b is true?

[leaden sedge]

but i still believe that putting people at center of the move would automatically lend to grab

or down air

[wraith imp]

after focus side b in the air yes

i can show u clips of it working

[leaden sedge]

almost, if it aint true it s a frame 1-2

[quick iron]

i need proof

[wraith imp]

gotchu

[leaden sedge]

i did hit it too

[quick iron]

in the lab

[wraith imp]

got it

imma send it

my phone acting slow

[wraith imp]

so apparently jack can down tilt ground bounce when the di is away

buts it’s a little iffy

u gotta be in they’re face

[quick iron]

@tough cape yo how did you beat ruthlessMVS, thats the rick that uses airwalker right?

[gaunt tapir]

The lies

[wraith imp]

how?

[viral smelt]

It's not that hard sometimes.

[leaden sedge]

true

especially after the nerfs

but can be annoying

VERY annoying

[viral smelt]

That's also true.

[leaden sedge]

btw mind joining a jack server?

[viral smelt]

A jack server?

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[leaden sedge]

trying to get most jack mains/secondary here

[viral smelt]

I'm good thanks.

[leaden sedge]

alr

[distant tinsel]

It's a perk instead.

How do you think he Shadow Steps from across the map?

[viral smelt]

Counter.

[distant tinsel]

Counter is the jump good.

At least the perk version is.

The logo for the sig is taken directly from a jump in the episode.

[quaint ocean]

Why did they change the platinum skin? it was way cooler in the preview image. It was darker and now it is all turquoise and plain

[hot pine]

How do you counter good lebrons in 2v2 with ball spam?

[quick iron]

Try shadow step, tho if they run into you while theyre Ball is thrown towards you, you gotta jump and read, or jump and dodge away if the attack

[hot pine]

I guess ill use that perk then for 2v2. Had a match vs lebron and rick. Could not see what was happening on screen.

[dawn gazelle]

your side special destroys everything rick can put on the stage

[leaden sedge]

False

as always

[hot pine]

insane statement.

I never seen a character get so hated on in a game. Who is also not very good.

[dawn gazelle]

he s not very good in 1v1 that s true but its incredible how a bad jack just spamming nothing but side special can be this effective in 2v2 if he has a half decent teammate.

thats where most of the hate comes from.

[dusky phoenix]

The amount of matches I've won with this man is insane

[hot pine]

Theres plenty of characters that you can say thats the same for. Shaggys kick for example. Jack has a glowing beam that tells you where he is aiming. Side special gets dodge very easily against another good player.

[dawn gazelle]

yup, thats why shaggy gets the same hate

and that s true for 1v1 once again, in 2v2 it s a very different story.

[leaden sedge]

i d say the same about marvin

dont wanna say rick cuz he needs some combos and not only projectiles

[hot pine]

Thing is a spamming Jack needs a good teammate. Thats not a good argument. Jack is not bad in 2s tho. Theres just a lot of unwarranted complaints.

[dawn gazelle]

from the pov of a top player like you very much but for casuals that wont be problem tbh, a bad marvin is bad. a bad shaggy or a bad jack or banana can ruin you super easily

[leaden sedge]

i am saying that spammers are just punishable and other char can do it, not only Jack

and so yeah, from my view spamming is only a free win for me

but i find jack spam's even more punishable especially after the nerfs

[dawn gazelle]

thats way harder in 2v2s i found, like you re always in hitstun or attacking the other player and then the shaggy/jack/banana with 14wins charged side specials you in the back and you die at 71

[leaden sedge]

in that scenario, u can't do much, and trust me a Jason would be 300% times worse

he just needs rage axe and you re dead

if u re in hitstun

[dawn gazelle]

oh dont get me started on jason lmao

[leaden sedge]

yeaaa bro

[dawn gazelle]

yesterday i beat my all time record, i died at 45 with my feet on the stage

[leaden sedge]

there s worse too

[dawn gazelle]

cant immagine an arya getting yeeted at 22 with the charged axe lol

[leaden sedge]

if bed was team-comboable, we re gone

[hot pine]

You probably need to manage how much you're at the edge of the stage. Jack especially cant kill well at low percents.

[dawn gazelle]

💀 ah yes the vacum bed

[dawn gazelle]

oh i was talking about Jason

[hot pine]

Yeah, I was saying in general. For Jason you need to either focus him heavily. Or watch out for him on the edge of the stage ( especially chaged ).

[iron quarry]

How's the taz mu?

[quick iron]

not bad

[gaunt tapir]

winning

[tranquil pasture]

There are many types of monsters in this world: monsters who will not show themselves and who cause trouble, monsters who abduct children, monsters who devour dreams, monsters who suck blood… and monsters who always tell lies. Lying monsters are a real nuisance; they are much more cunning than other monsters. They pose as humans even though they have no understanding of the human heart; they eat even though they’ve never experienced hunger; they study even though they have no interest in academics; they seek friendship even though they do not know how to love. If I were to encounter such monsters, I would likely be eaten by it… because in truth, I am that monster.

[quick iron]

What loosing against the meta with a b tier character does to a man :

[quick iron]

How to fix jack :

add true combo routes or decrease dodge influence. Increase the hitbox of uptilt. Rework the nair/decrease knock back for possible follow up attack. Add ground bounce on downtilt. Make iad grab true on every character. Fix the hitbox on his air down B, plus his Focus side B.

[iron quarry]

I can't play this character seriously I just be joshing with him

[quick iron]

yes hes ass rn

all you can do is read

[zenith zinc]

I get destroyed by Jack at ledge but that's because I need to get better at recovering

[gaunt tapir]

not ass

still honestly really good in 2v2s

just mid in 1v1s

[feral wagon]

He’s definitely not ass

Still has a great jab, long reach, strong kill power, an amazing aerial down special, command grab/anti projectile neutral special

In a super well balanced game he’d be very high on the tier list

[gaunt tapir]

ok thats a lie

bro does not kill

[feral wagon]

Aerial neutral special?

[gaunt tapir]

requires a read

[feral wagon]

I’m not saying like from mid stage kills but the aerial down special range is coocoo

[gaunt tapir]

he doesn’t kill like batman or garnet

fellow bruisers

[gaunt tapir]

bc he’s either playing for edge guards or hard reads

one of his main issues is that he can’t kill

and lack of combo

[distant tinsel]

Jab Jab IAD grab like a real one. 😎

No reads required

Seriously tho if you don't learn that combo this character is not fun to play.

[carmine quartz]

What was the new ground bounce Jack got?

I can't remember

[distant tinsel]

Up attack IIRC.

[carmine quartz]

Yup figured it out. Thanks

Whats “IIRC”?

[edgy ledge]

if I remember correct

[carmine quartz]

Jack needs buffs

[edgy ledge]

yes he does 😔

[gaunt tapir]

kills at like 120

and is precent/weight based

[leaden sedge]

buff

[quick iron]

Gotta get back
Back to the past
Spamurai jab

[distant tinsel]

Try it at ledge, and not on Treefort.
Makes a world of difference and really improves Jack's gamefeel.

[craggy sail]

samurai wack

[leaden sedge]

samurai b

[sterile shale]

what are the best perks for samurai jack?

[leaden sedge]

5%, snowball, last stand, pugilist

[sterile shale]

ok

[gaunt tapir]

shadow step is sometimes value depending on MU

[quick iron]

Counterattack without shadow step has more combo potential so I dont even use it on mages. Oh, and the projectile's knockback is higher then you think and its a homing projectile too. For example : rick shoots a projectile then jumps above me. Then my projectile Hits him in the air and he looses a stock

[edgy ledge]

buff Jack

and make up tilt work on every character after jab 2

[obsidian crane]

bro just wants more freee damage off jab 😩

[leaden sedge]

i mean he does need buffs like that

[carmine quartz]

Up tilt not even guaranteed off Jab.
AND the hitbox and hurtbox is AWFUL

Jack needs Tipper Damage

Like Marth

On his forward air

Time and time again I’ve smacked my opponent around the stage at high percents over 100 just for them to kill me at 80 because they have some jank hitbox cheese move that can reliably kill

His dash attack has a very questionable hurtbox… on his foot.
Like WHY?
That’s what he’s using to attack!!

Why is the hitbox so close to his hurtbox?

His hurtbox is DELIBERATELY huge on his nair and just wrong on his up tilt

He is vulnerable in every attack he does WAY more than other characters.
Throwing out an attack is supposed to also be defensive to protect yourself.
It shouldn’t make vulnerable like that.
You should be punished for whiffing and then end lag but not because your hurtbox is dripping out the sides

[obsidian crane]

yeah i mean whatever utilt after jab is doing nothing but give him more damage he dont really need that

[leaden sedge]

yep he doesnt totally

he has no combos and no kill power, why would ever give him more dmg or combo power smh

[carmine quartz]

He don’t need more damage.
Any decent Jack can rack up damage.
Jack needs Knockback. He needs Reliable Kill Moves. He needs kill power.

Up tilt ground bounces now, that’s good, but guess what?
Literal NOT kill move. So something else gotta kill.
A fully charged up special can’t even kill at 100.
It NEEDS Focus to kill.
Heck not even all his focus moves kill at good percents.
You characters out here consistently killing at 80.

This is what should be done with Jack

[obsidian crane]

yeah give him combo potential why give him just more damage off jab 😭

[leaden sedge]

yea then make jab into uptilt work

[leaden sedge]

side b focus missing:

[obsidian crane]

crazy

[leaden sedge]

jack is a broken char

but with the meaning of that he doesnt work

[carmine quartz]

BUFF Focus moves.
More kno back and kill power.
Make THAT what we are aiming. We miss, it’s gone anyway. So make it worth it the hit!!!

BUFF forward air. Give it a tipper quality like Marth. His forward doesn’t kill at high percents. It should.

Make Down Air Special a combo from Jab or Up Tilt.
Because this also ground bounces, allow it to link with other moves. THEN he can have decent combo routes.

LASTLY, Shrink the huge Hurtbox on dash, nair and up tilt.

[leaden sedge]

make uptilt hitboxes have sense

[carmine quartz]

Bugs Bunny free up air is more reliable and more scary than Jack Focus Side B

That’s a problem

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[carmine quartz]

And there’s many moves more threatening

It honestly makes no sense to me.

Shaggy rage side B is a given kill

Jack Focus Side B? No

[leaden sedge]

me when i lie

no he s bottom 5 lol

in 1s he is

not in 1s again

calling me rat is wild

while providing zero evidence to ur case

ragebaits used to be believable..

• skibidi 2024

noot rick reindog and bj

but go on i ll listen

surely

i wonder why i never did that

ig u re playing a char worse than Jack to find him this good right?

cuz the only good thing he has is jab and down b

[north breach]

Jack bottom 5

Jack mid tier in 2s bottom 5 in ones

We ain’t downplaying this is facts

[leaden sedge]

hard carry

huh

i wanna play that version of mvs

pass me that

did

doesnt

and also very easy to dodge

u can pretty normally too

yeah

it s... easy to dodge stuff offstage?

especially jack's ?

[north breach]

Down b is so easy to avoid at the edge

If you get caught by down b fully charged you deserved to get ko’d

[leaden sedge]

just admit then that u cant dodge lol

down b both grounded and air are easy to dodge

both have huge whiff frames

bruh the grounded one is even worse lol

it kils at 17 okay but u got hit by charged one

jason can do worse lmao

it has a good swing, yet there is jason who can hit on top of his axe

[north breach]

Jack is mid buff him

[leaden sedge]

also why dont you wait for him to stop swinging??

so is down b

[north breach]

It’s so easy to punish jack down b on whiff

Yes Ik it has like 20 frames of recovery and a lot of up attacks and specials can go thru the stage and interrupt him or punish

Who are you playing

Tom and Jerry and gizmo?

[leaden sedge]

every charged move kills at 17, especially if ure light weight

just say it?

[north breach]

Jack down b fair and balanced

Actually buff it so that the focus version is actually worth using

[leaden sedge]

garnet, shaggy, harley, superman, ww, bugs

just a bunch

[leaden sedge]

fr

that thing killed me at 90

also rick has a tod

and side air kills at 60

which is super easy to loop and hit with

shaggy doesnt???

kay am done

surely i wanna play ur version of mvs

[north breach]

Sair

[leaden sedge]

charged neutral at ledge

and sair

they do ?

[north breach]

Dude what’s your point

It sounds like your just yapping over jacks down b

It’s not that good

Any player with half a brain is not letting that hit them

He’s not a hard carry

He’s bottom 5s in 1s

75% can mash and get away w it

You’re acting like this game isnt 99% dodge and jab mashers

He does neither the best

He can’t avoid combos to save his life and almost every top tier mashes better than him

I’m masters on 3 chars if I’m carried it’s not bc of jack

Velma ppg jack

Wdym this isn’t my ign

I lied just to see if you would say I was carried dummy

I literally said Velma and you still said I was carried

I still have 2 chars in master and another in d3

Not telling you my ign mr %%%%

I’m not tho

Why do I have prove anything to someone like you

You clearly think jack is busted for no reason

You’re in the jack section tryna convince ppl that jack is carried are you dumb

He takes skill and is fair and balanced

You must be one of those ppl who haven’t played since s2 launch

Got killed by down b and quit the game right after

Ur hard carried

Like who

Jack ain’t meta he’s never been meta even at his peak

He’s a low tier

Why even say this then if you weren’t implying that jack is meta

Bro literally just yapping

You don’t play jack so you don’t play only low tiers

You came here to ragebait not me

Jack bottom 5 prove me wrong

Name 5 chars worse than jack

Rick and reindog and bj are all better

You just threw them in there to try and downplay my arguments

Take them out jack is bottom 5

Autocorrect and you’re late lol

Ok Mr smart man you still haven’t proven your point

Yapper

Except 3 of them are actually better

So you haven’t named more than 5

Lol bro why are you in here if you’re a jack hater

Just go home

Bro there’s no downplay bro you tryna cope with your losses to jack in ranked

We’ve been trying to tell you it’s a skill issue but you won’t listen

[leaden sedge]

@north breach stop arguing i just realized who he is

dw

[north breach]

Doesn’t matter who he is he gets killed by down b at 17

Lol bro is bad tryna cope getting caught by one of the slowest and most telegraphed moves in the game

[leaden sedge]

nah he makes up arguements in every channel

it s not the first time just ignore, he deletes his messages anyway

[north breach]

Am I masters or am I lying

[leaden sedge]

yep as i thought

doont really care, sorry

no?

i just.. have better things to do

[north breach]

0/10 ragebait bro

[leaden sedge]

caring enough to let my bro know just that

[north breach]

Dw about me Ik how to deal with this

Ur hard carried

Lol was that supposed to be an insult

Mr mysterious percentile too afraid to even have a name on discord

You must get all the ladies don’t you

You are a loser tho

Failure at mvs and failure at ragebaiting

You’re a bot at ragebaiting say something new it’s not working lol

I don’t care I’m just bored

If I do that who will you have to try and troll

And fail

You could be getting better at the game instead of losing to a bottom 5 char

Oh so you’re getting distracted w your work by discord trolls lol

Sad

Uh huh keep going queen

Is that it bro

That’s the best you got?

LMAO

bro just go on and delete your messages like you always do

You failed

Yup at least I play an honest char

Are you even a master bro

You just called yourself a bot

You insult yourself better than others

What does that mean

Huh

Oh look there he goes deleting his messages

L troll

You’re a true loser worried about leaving a digital footprint on a mvs server

You do obviously why you deleting messages in here

Own up to your failures son

Lolololol

[leaden sedge]

bro took a huge L

[north breach]

The fact he kept explaining himself even tho he was the one trying to troll is so funny to me lol

[edgy ledge]

who is this loser that deletes his messages?

[north breach]

Lol some guy @trail salmon he’s an L troll who got reverse ragebaited

[edgy ledge]

what a dork

but ahem buff jack

[visual bolt]

I feel so sorry for you guys

Jack got only a single change and it was a nerf to his side special

They increased its hurt box so he's less likely to teleport through projectiles

[edgy ledge]

I'm playing Nubia

[carmine quartz]

Well…. We got a NERF

Less GOOOOOOO

[edgy ledge]

everyone else eatin' and we got our plate takin'

atleast we got swag

[leaden sedge]

fr

[carmine quartz]

Samurai feels slower now because of changes. Ngl

You can still cook

But by the time you finished preparing the meal

Your opponent already grabbed fast food

[edgy ledge]

buff Jack

[carmine quartz]

BUFF JACK

[placid dragon]

whats Jack's best signature perk?

[leaden sedge]

5%

[placid dragon]

really? I've always hear its Shadow Step or River's Flurry

[leaden sedge]

river is useless, step is meh useful against zoners

i have a server that can help u learning jack if u want

[placid dragon]

oh ok I didn't know that and cool thx, just annoyed cause I kept losing to a non stop taunting jason

and for some reason his attacks could still hit me while I was clearly behind him like hello?

[leaden sedge]

u want the inv?

[placid dragon]

sure

[edgy ledge]

@carmine quartz I think I just matched against you, ggs

[carmine quartz]

GGs

I want a rematch

I learned a thing or two

[edgy ledge]

lol we can fight again

[edgy ledge]

slide a inv but your pretty good

[carmine quartz]

I can get better. I’m like a SSJ lol

Sayian

If we fight I can learn because your good too

[edgy ledge]

Saiyan* boutta get a zenkai boost? 😭

[edgy ledge]

appreciate it, been trying to improve these past few days

[carmine quartz]

I got Sparking Zero 😭🔥

[carmine quartz]

I see

[edgy ledge]

same just got it today lol been hyped to play but if you want to fight again lmk when

[carmine quartz]

K just want to reach Master in 1v1 first

[edgy ledge]

alright, how close are you? I'm just now hitting diamond 2 😭

[carmine quartz]

Rank 1 texting between matches aaa

[carmine quartz]

Sent you friend request btw

[edgy ledge]

I added you, my ign is mbrace04

[stable badger]

My most used combo is jab jab down tilt, dodge towards opponent, repeat until you're at the end of the stage but I have no idea what's a good way to keep it going for a little longer when I'm at the end of the stage

any ideas?

[leaden sedge]

that s his old combo route

u should start using uptilt

[stable badger]

leading into? down tilt, side special?

idk

[leaden sedge]

jab12 that leads into uptilt that combos in down special air and other stuff

if u need help for learning jack i got some people who can help u too

[stable badger]

yeah maybe having some people learning me inputs could help

[edgy ledge]

fix up tilt 🗣️

make that mf hit after jab 2 consistently

on every character

[leaden sedge]

fr

[wet widget]

jack player try not to eat glue challenge (impossible)

[carmine quartz]

Bruh stop hating

Dang

[rich heron]

This might be a stupid question but how do you get the 100 perk on Jack?

[leaden sedge]

it s disabled rn

[rich heron]

I fought one Jack that had it

[leaden sedge]

yeah if they had it equipped before it doesn't refresh

[rich heron]

Oh ok, didn’t know that

Btw what’s the most optimal combo for Jack? I stopped playing him for awhile and got back into him

[leaden sedge]

jab12- uptilt

if u want some help i got a server that can assist u in learning jack

[gaunt tapir]

on bad di

or big characters

[edgy ledge]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[carmine quartz]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[leaden sedge]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[distant tinsel]

Technically a bug exploit.

[drowsy idol]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[quick iron]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[drowsy idol]

Just seen the shield testing video. What do ya’ll think of it for Jack?

I feel his neutral special grab is gonna become way more valuable now.

[tepid cipher]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[leaden sedge]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[feral wagon]

Hopefully armor breaking moves break shield too

[drowsy idol]

Ah yes they went over that. It does not break shields but your armor breaking move will have faster recovery after hitting a shield with it.

They used Jason as example and basically he was able to do his down attack stomp and be able to shield right away after before they could retaliate

[gritty fable]

Nerf Jack air down special

[leaden sedge]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[gaunt tapir]

said the jason

[leaden sedge]

damn..

[gaunt tapir]

Jason lowkey broken

but some how still lower half

i hate this meta

[gritty fable]

Yea if you run into his stuff and don't camp him out

Which respect but that is how you lose to Jason

He'll actually be broken with shields though

It's no hate to Jack players what I said

But I do think the move is a bit overtuned

[gaunt tapir]

hes broken

but lower half still

this meta has way too many OD characters

[gritty fable]

Do you primarily play Jack?

[gaunt tapir]

secondary

[gritty fable]

Ah who's the main

Cause if you say Finn

Then I'm gonna have a problem with you calling Jason broken

[gaunt tapir]

yea its Finn

i know my character is broken

[gritty fable]

Alright

That's honorable enough

[gaunt tapir]

But I understand the games balance

and like most of the cast is broken

[gritty fable]

Rn Shields feel kinda nice

[gaunt tapir]

3 mid character just got overbuffed imo

banana, garnet, jason

All of them are menaces rn

[gritty fable]

True

[leaden sedge]

calling jack the better finn is a huge overstatement

finn is 2-3 tiers ahead of jack with his hyper mobility and tods alone, jack can't afford to push that much

atleast not like finn

i understand urs but like cool factor is subjective

balance is not

finn is a better swordie than jack sadly

huh?

sounding angry wasn't my intention but whatev. also u made the comparison between the two, so am i not allowed on saying why it's wrong for multiple reasons?

[tranquil pasture]

Samuri jack is so dumb

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-monokuma-gif-10295348

[carmine quartz]

This is a huge platter of delirium copium lol

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[edgy ledge]

Jack better than Finn? yeah right 💀

[edgy ledge]

he's cool not dumb

also

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[distant tinsel]

So you can equip armor crush and beat shields by charging side-b?

Yeah no thanks.

[autumn whale]

Samurai

Japp

[distant tinsel]

*Jab

[late rune]

Ninja

[edgy ledge]

Buff Jack

[hexed flame]

i wish jacks sword projectile he shoots when he does a full focus down air special could work in the air, it only comes out if you touch the ground while performing the move.

[edgy ledge]

that'd be pretty cool, or if he does multiple slashes on focus air down special when it connects

[quasi summit]

does he really need it tho?

[quick iron]

against light chars yeh

[quasi summit]

What small characters does he struggle against?

[quick iron]

Harley

Arya

[quasi summit]

So meta characters?

[quick iron]

Well jack's good against some metas so lets just say light chars

[quasi summit]

Fair point, I play garnet so I struggle vs all 3

[edgy ledge]

yes

[quasi summit]

What does he need changed?

[edgy ledge]

I just want up tilt to hit on smaller characters after jab 2 honestly and for down tilt to ground bounce consistently

[quasi summit]

That would make him even more cancer to fight as garnet 😭

[edgy ledge]

oh yeah an I want reverse grab on focus grab

[quasi summit]

What’s that mean

[edgy ledge]

air neutral can be turned around when it connects with focus

[quasi summit]

Oh

I think his kit needs to be less spammy ngl

[quasi summit]

are you on rn?

i wanna practice vs sam jack

[hot pine]

I think they should not buff Jack. If he is buffed even 1 damage on a move people will complain. Then he will be nerfed worse immediately after.

[carmine quartz]

He needs buffs but buffs don't always mean damage.

[hot pine]

I guess I should say if there is a plus sign under his name, people will riot. I wasn't being literal.

[edgy ledge]

Buff Jack

[broken olive]

hello everyone
can anyone sent MultiVersus-Win64-Shipping.exe to me i cant play the game
on privete or here please
Multiversus\MultiVersus\Binaries\Win64

is samurai jack free ?

[edgy ledge]

tf is this

[edgy ledge]

you need 6k fighter currency to play him

[quick iron]

Their game is missing a game file

[edgy ledge]

Season 4 Jack Buffs

[carmine quartz]

#JackBuffsForSeason4

[quick iron]

#JackSkinsForSeason4🗣️🗣️🗣️

[edgy ledge]

Evil Jack for season 4

the streets need this

[hexed flame]

jack needs buffs to his counter. its his only ally support move and its just too slow on startup to be consistant.
maybe have the armor appear instantly on input?

[edgy ledge]

like Jokers

[drowsy idol]

Yes please.

Jacks patch notes are the first I’m looking at as soon as they drop

[edgy ledge]

same here lmao

[arctic hearth]

Jack losing Weakened and gains... Nothing. Oof. Guess his ally buff just straight does nothing now. Bummer

[digital crow]

It's gonna get replaced with something eventually they did say that. That some of the weaken stuff will be changed

[arctic hearth]

Yeah, but Jack had a huge focus on Weakened, not like it's just one move that lost it. They should have given him something to compensate right away. They did for Batman, the other Weakened-heavy character.

[edgy ledge]

Jack is nerfed now I have this bs pfp

hurray

[edgy ledge]

Fix this damn character

[drowsy idol]

Jack got nothing…….man….

[leaden sedge]

yep he s bottom tier

[edgy ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-6222833

this shi isn't even fun anymore bro

[prisma shadow]

I feel like I default to River's Flurry, but what do you guys think of Shadow Step for 2s?

[edgy ledge]

I use 5%, river's flurry doesn't do me any good and shadow step is cool but ehh

[drowsy idol]

I use 5% aswell. I’m aweful at shadow step timing. Was really hoping they would buff it to make it an instant counter like Joker’s

[prisma shadow]

Thanks! Also I don't know if I'm tripping but like...Jack doesn't really feel any faster? I thought they increased everyone's run speed

Oh it was only for some characters and Jack was...not one of those characters

[craggy sail]

The new Jack skin is peakkkk!!!!

[digital crow]

So some characters got movement changes a patch or two a go and some more got increases this patch. Jack is already decently quick so

[edgy ledge]

New Jack skin is fire

[craggy sail]

HELL YEAH!!!

[edgy ledge]

but I wish Jack had gotten a speed boost and I wish his grab wasn't bugged to where his kill confirm won't work. but it is what it is

we'll have to wait for grab to be good in either mid season or next week

[prisma shadow]

Well he's still affected by the fast fall and short hop changes so that's a positive at least

[carmine quartz]

Jack got nerfed but the speed helps. Also I have no idea what new up tilt cancel brings

[leaden sedge]

check server

[prisma shadow]

Wait is there a Samurai Jack discord?

[leaden sedge]

yes, i own it

[prisma shadow]

May I join?

[leaden sedge]

look dms

[edgy dagger]

Jack is broken do not use

U have no soul using him rn

[leaden sedge]

yeah his grab is bugged doesnt kill at 150

using him now requires some high level patient

[drowsy idol]

Could I join it too? Super hard finding jack tech on YouTube

[leaden sedge]

chrck dms

[drowsy idol]

I been loving the new up tilt change. One link I been having fun with was doing up special after it. Then follow them with up tilt and another up special. Can kill on a solid read.

Otherwise I try to do grab during up tilt then immediately side special after to catch ppl anxiously dodging back in

[visual bolt]

I

Am so sorry for you guys

Not only did you lose weaked but the ability to cancel your Up Smash literally leads into nothing and it can't even slide off stage anymore like Reindog's Up Smash still can LOL

I wish Jack didn't suck this bad because he's quite fun and I love the character even outside MVS

[edgy ledge]

Jack gets to be lore accurate and suffer fr

[drowsy idol]

Man we are so far from lore accurate jack lol.
I highly doubt Jack will stay neglected tho. He’s bound for some buffs eventually

[late falcon]

Nah lore accurate jack would be top tier

[edgy ledge]

I hope man

[wet widget]

like he isnt already

you guys are no different than wonde woman mains

always downplaying

[late falcon]

I'm not a jack main lol

He's seriously not broken, and I say this as someone who has a bad matchup against him

Quit crying

[tranquil stump]

Been maining him since s2, reaching Masters with him felt like a pain in the ass cuz he felt more honest than half the cast if im not spamming side b

Reached Masters, stuck to PPG for most of last season, gotta say Jack's felt great since, stupid asf too

Utilt cancel helps his ladder game a ton and IADing out of utilt leads to techchase stuff, all I think he needs is maybe armor break on dtilt since it feels kinda eh, but overall this character is great rn

[leaden sedge]

nope

not great

[edgy ledge]

not great since grab is bugged

once he gets it back I'll stop complaining

[edgy ledge]

he ain't no top tier 😂

[green idol]

You’re not very bright

[wintry holly]

Facts

[wintry holly]

Name 2 characters better than Jack

[edgy ledge]

Smith and Rick

[edgy ledge]

what are you talking about

[wintry holly]

Rick is debateable but smith no

[edgy ledge]

he ain't that good and for damn sure ain't top tier

[wintry holly]

As a smith main he got gutted this patch

They reduced every hitbox size

No more loops

We barely have anything bro

[edgy ledge]

then maybe I'm just ass but he still tears me to shreds

[wintry holly]

And then there is Jack

He got his 0td

Crazy jab

Loops

[edgy ledge]

what 0td

[wintry holly]

Uptilt buff

[edgy ledge]

😭

[wintry holly]

Damn you don’t know?

I’m gatekeeping

I don’t want to get 0td again

[edgy ledge]

what loops does he have

[wintry holly]

Damn you don’t know?

I’m gatekeeping

I don’t want to get looped again

[edgy ledge]

😭

you funny

[leaden sedge]

4/10 ragebait

[tranquil stump]

Eh compared to what he was, yeah feels good to me

I havent had grab bug out on me

[leaden sedge]

how that s impossible

[tranquil stump]

What combo are u tryna do

The basic jab jab iad grab at ledge is killing at 100 no di

[leaden sedge]

that doesnt kill at all

anymore

[tranquil stump]

Its working for me idk

[leaden sedge]

unless the enemy is kissing the blast zone and u re in like teentitans or townsville

[edgy ledge]

exactly

[tranquil stump]

Well idk, havent had it happen

Is that the only thing you think keeps Jack from being good?

Cuz aside from that he's cooking lol

[leaden sedge]

yes since u cant really kill unless u read offstage

[tranquil stump]

I decided to stop respecting people and just go for down b or side b depends on scenario

Working out p well lol

[leaden sedge]

works against bad people

[tranquil stump]

I mean Jack is a read based characrer, Id rather read them with that over grabbing

Bigger hitbox tingz

[leaden sedge]

they can dodge both down b and side b easily if they re decent

[tranquil stump]

I feel the same abt the grab tbh, I feel like you can bait out dodges with him pretty easily, then commit

[leaden sedge]

grab is way faster and is an actual confirm

[tranquil stump]

Again, I think his worst nerf was losing changing grab direction, aside from that he feels sooo much better than release Jack, that can also be attributed to other chars coming down since s2

[leaden sedge]

if that s what u feel about it then it s alr

[edgy ledge]

better than launch Jack?

I think I need to lay down or sumn

[tranquil stump]

Launch Jack felt linear asf yeah Id rather what we have now, if a bugged grab is your concern it'll be fixed soon enough

Downplaying him cuz of that is insane work imo

[leaden sedge]

calling downplaying when a char cant kill a light weight at 150 with focus is insane imo

[tranquil stump]

???

[edgy ledge]

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/j4uzGTQm0iVANRw1V?invite=cr-MSxieVMsOTc0MjQ2MzUs

as long as this still happens I'm not gonna be satisfied

once this is fixed I'll be happy and except mid tier

fix jack asap pfg

this mf is dogwater in 1s unless I can read my opponent move for move

dodge for dodge

up tilt still whiffs on smaller characters after jab 2 and now grab is bugged

😔

[green idol]

Shaggy banana

[wraith imp]

how they can fix jack (pls pfg):
Make jab 2 pull in instead of pushing out. This can make up tilt combos more consistent
Uptilt: scoops in better so it doesn’t whiff on smaller characters like gizmo and finn. Make the second hit consistently down slam better so you lead it into tech situations.
Focus: Focus is kinda bad. It’s Jack’s whole gimmick and it’s not even good.

1. Focus side special should have invincibility when you hit the move meaning you can’t be hit out of the move. To slightly nerf it, The opponent is placed in the middle of jack’s slashes unable to be hit out of the move and frozen in place until the last slash knocks them back. Since they’re placed in the middle, the kill power gets nerfed but it buffs its combo potential.
2. Focus Air Down Special. This move should throw out the projectile even if your in the air and deal higher knockback . This makes the move kill easier while making it more useful offstage when you have focus.

Grab: Grab is bugged for jack, so once they fix the bug he should be fine with killing, however a good buff/return is reverse grab. Instead of killing, the grab does a weak spike once you input it to turn around, allowing for a ground bounce to lead into a tech situation. If grab is amped by focus and you turn it around, it is much weaker that it would be throwing them forward, but it gives one stack of weaken.

Counter: Counter is a really bad move, In my opinion most of the counters in this game need a rework but if not, they could make counter work similarly to jokers. Where if you aren’t close, it won’t attack but if you are, it does the attack way quicker which you can combo into jab. I think to balance it out, it takes a bar of meter.

Up B: This is really a nitpick but at higher percents, you can combo up special easier leading to vertical KO’s
That’s really all i can think off lol

Lemme fix this a bit lol

[edgy ledge]

thank you for posting this here

[green idol]

Onb

[drowsy idol]

Love all of this!

[wraith imp]

oh yeah to add on that, if you grab a projectile with jack, you should have armor during the animation

[edgy ledge]

this should've been a thing off rip

[green idol]

Rs

[quick iron]

We've tried so many times man, they just wouldnt listen

Btw please also fix uptilt endlag, it wasnt listed on the patchnotes

[edgy ledge]

watch them just add it to the patchnotes

hotfix fix Jack or we riot

[visual bolt]

Even more Jack nerfs I'm so sorry for you guys

[edgy ledge]

they broke our hand...on purpose

I thought it was a bug

[dawn gazelle]

samurai jack is so cancer in 2v2

[wraith imp]

WHAT IT WAS ON PURPOSE

wait how. It looks like it has to be a bug

[edgy ledge]

nah man

in the patchnotes it was said to be intentional

[wraith imp]

Where?

[edgy ledge]

Samurai Jack

Air Neutral Special
– Throw damage reduced to 4 from 7, grab victims are now hit by the hand hitbox (3 damage) and throw hitbox (4 damage) for a total of 7 (this change was unlisted in the 1.4.0 notes)
– On-hit weakened debuff removed (this change was unlisted in the 1.4.0 notes)

[wraith imp]

Which patch

[edgy ledge]

https://multiversus.com/en/news/season-4-1-4-1-patch-notes

the newest one 😭 the hotfix

[wraith imp]

💀

So it’s still bad

[edgy ledge]

oh yeah 100%

we can pray for mid season tho

[wraith imp]

How tf do we even kill.

[edgy ledge]

for rn I'll get Jack to master and switch

[edgy ledge]

reads

[wraith imp]

That’s literally our only ground kill move

tf

[edgy ledge]

we can kill at 170 with grab dw

[wraith imp]

well besides river’s flurry down special but once again it’s inconsistent

[edgy ledge]

around there

🥲

guess I'll use the beetle for ledge baiting

that and down special by ledge is so juicy ngl

[wraith imp]

vro

[quick iron]

Oh the misery

[quick iron]

PFG : gitgud

I kinda feel like PFG's aiming to set Jack as the new starter character

I mean, he has the most basic kit and his more predictable/easier to dodge( or punish) moves have more kill potential

Which a new Player would love

And theyre giving him skins and maps at the same time, plus ringout effects and profile Icons

Its a good thing for the game but its completely destroying previous jack players

Like I cant think of any other reason why they would nerf an already bottom 5 character

I mean, 3 season and hes only getting nerfs. The only buff he got this season is now useless thanks to the grab nerf.

imo they should just give him a crouch passive in compensation

Make it so that it fills your focus Bar instead of giving you useless gray health

[hexed flame]

the throw is intresting. it says it does a total of 7 with the hit being 3 and the throw being 4. they seem to have changed it to have similar numbers to a throw in smash. similar to a throw from ike or cloud.

[quasi summit]

He feels super spammy on bigger characters that’s probably why

[quick iron]

We only have like 5 characters that he can chain attacks on em

There are more then 30 characters in the game

[quasi summit]

Who does he struggle to fight?

[quasi summit]

Is it mostly the Meta characters he struggles with?

[quick iron]

Light - mid characters

[quasi summit]

Anyone in particular that he really struggles with?

[quick iron]

Every light and mid character, since the only characters that actually might get hit by chained moves are jason-batman-shaggy-garnet-IG-Supes-BJ-BG.

Other then that hes good against velma and gizmo since theyre also bottom tier

Every other character pretty much diffs him. If you wanna beat them you just gotta be the better player

[quick iron]

Some of them dont even get hit by chained moves on higher percentage

[quasi summit]

Do you want them to make him more complex or just better overall

[quick iron]

Complex definitely, hes pretty basic and predictable so you dont really have many combo routes. And since his kill Power was taken in this Patch, hes now completely high damage dependant, by which I mean he has to get the enemy to damages like 140+ (on heavy chars 170-180)faster so he can kill. But since he doesnt have combo routes on most charachters, that aint possible

[quasi summit]

Ive always kinda hoped they made him more complex his kit feels like a spam fest

[quick iron]

And his kit in General is pretty slow too

[quasi summit]

Slow???

[quick iron]

Yes, his chain and recovery moves Like sair, down B. These all have a lot of starting frames. Since he doesnt have better counter moves he has to use some of these which are pretty slow so they'll hit you instead. Tho fastfall nair also works, but it has some endlag to it so still not completely safe

[quasi summit]

Maybe it’s just cuz I play garnet but I don’t notice it much

[quick iron]

And if you dont wanna counter you're just gonna runaway which is way worst

[quasi summit]

Id hope if they buff him that they would nerf his dodge jab a bit

[quick iron]

Garnet might actually be jack's best matchup since shes the only character that 100% gets a groundbounce

[quasi summit]

Yea and his spinning multi hit moving is kinda hard to challenge

All that I really see is him flying across the stage with a dodge and jabbing

[tall flare]

They need to fix his jab 2 > up tilt so it actually connects consistently. It's so annoying how something you are supposed to be able to do works only 1/3 of the time

[bright dagger]

The game in it's current state rewards having high damaging combos, fast combo starters, and consistent kill confirms

Jack lacks basically all 3

[drowsy idol]

Facts

[drowsy idol]

Happy thanksgiving my fellow Samurais 🙌🏼

[visual bolt]

You too!!

[carmine quartz]

Jack needs a Buff

[carmine quartz]

Jack can’t kill 100 dmg opponent on stage

[gritty fable]

And that's fine

[hot pine]

Jack has almost no kill power, its bad

[empty spruce]

That isnt bad

[gritty fable]

Fr

[carmine quartz]

How?

[cosmic crane]

He is meant to carry you to ledge with his kit, which he is more than capable of doing.

Just because a character isn't hard-focused on KOing the same way from mid-stage at the same damage, doesn't mean they suck

[carmine quartz]

I didn’t say he sucked but he needs a buff. His up tilt doesn’t even work half the time and doesn’t work on short characters

[cosmic crane]

He is in a more than good spot, a buff should most definitely be accompanied by a nerf to his Jab's recovery and/or hitbox.

[carmine quartz]

I don’t even care about jab

[cosmic crane]

Imagine not caring about your character's best and safest tool

[carmine quartz]

I really don’t care

I’m so tired of smacking around my opponent at 145 damage just to die at 65

Jack needs buffs

[cosmic crane]

This is definitely a you problem, lol.
Just play a better Jack

Both killing that late and dying that early

[carmine quartz]

It’s not.

[cosmic crane]

You're the one saying you don't care about jab before complaining you kill too late and die early.
You're just throwing out your kill move and hoping for a read to kill mid-stage whenever like you're Jason.

Yeah, you're gonna die early if you whiff kill moves every two seconds

[carmine quartz]

I do kill confirms. I know his combos

[cosmic crane]

Then you should care for jab, cuz it's how you fish for those 90% of the time

[empty spruce]

Morty cant kill lights at the ledge at 180

[carmine quartz]

Obviously. I just don’t care if it gets nerfed it means he gets buffed

[carmine quartz]

Do you think garnet is trash?

[empty spruce]

Hell nah

[carmine quartz]

Because she literally claps you at 100

[empty spruce]

But like she is brolen

Broken*

[carmine quartz]

I’m pretty sure Jake’s nair kills at 100

I’m also talking kill confirms

Like a whole combo into the kill

Finn, Batman, bugs, shaggy, garnet, etc

They kill early

Jack swings his sword once

You miss

It’s a rinse repeat of whatever stupid combo

He has nair multi hit

But the hurtbox is stupid

And the hitbox is super late

Bugs kills easy at 80

Pops u up. Up air

Done

If you were to fully charge a focus up special from Jack it wouldn’t kill till high percents

Like high

Batman can miss and it’s no biggy. He can combo you on whiff

Tons of multi hits and better kill power and cancels and better frames

So y’all can complain about jab

[cosmic crane]

My guy only knows Jack at this point

And not even properly

[carmine quartz]

I take it you’re not a Jack player?

[drowsy idol]

Everything Goldenknight is saying is true. It’s very difficult to kill with Jack, only times you see someone die early to Jack is when they have bad DI or they didn’t know when to dodge out.

I gave up playing Jack in 1’s and only play him in 2’s. In 2’s is where he feels powerful, he’s got a partner covering all his weaknesses and crazy whiffs.

Main buffs I would like to see tho is consistent up tilt and frame 1 counter (like Joker’s counter)
If they gave him that he would be a lot stronger already