Samurai Jack

[graceful raft]

but not broken

the main weaknesses he has are lack of combos and somewhat lacking kill power but he has incredible speed and neutral control

he has weaknesses particularly at high level because you can consistently parry focus side special if you know the timing

and with good spacing you can punish his obvious options if he's careless

if anything his airgrab should be slightly nerfed and remove the ability to turn around when landing it

[candid thunder]

Removing that ability would just make it bad tbh

[graceful raft]

not really

the move has really strong kill potential and also can bounce off walls which makes it even better

i think it's honestly the only thing that comes across as a little overtuned in his kit

like he has no reason to need to turn around for even easier kills lol

it's an incredibly fast move and for what it does that's super useful

[candid thunder]

If he couldn't turn around after grabbing someone, it would stop being one of his best kill moves and start saving people half the time

[graceful raft]

it wouldn't though

you just wouldn't be able to kill as easily facing the opposite side of the stage

which is a little whack for a character that's designed like jack

[candid thunder]

It would though

Instead of throwing them into the blast zone, you throw them on stage and put yourself in a bad position

[graceful raft]

good

there is no reason he should be able to turn it around and kill people off it that way

[candid thunder]

The reason is he has no other methods of killing lol

[graceful raft]

i mean he does

he has a very solid edgeguard game and the grab still has really solid power

the only thing it would change is he wouldn't be able to kill off of it facing the opposite end of the blast zone

[carmine quartz]

I didn't realize this until I spent hours upon hours playing him.
Its true though! And no one wants to say it because it's so controversial

He just doesn't have a tilt that kills like the rest of the cast. Like if Joker up tilts you at like 100 your dead. Maybe even less

That's ex

[candid thunder]

Ftilt can kill if you charge it

[carmine quartz]

Yeah that should be up attack right?
It does but I don't count full charges. Its basically a Smash attack. They should kill

[pastel rose]

give jack a kill confirm to bring him up with the rest of the cast : ) even garnet has a kill confirm

[carmine quartz]

Exactly. I realized.
That he is a edge guard killer. His gameplan is edguarding. But people hate it.

He needs to throw you off and edge guard you

The little read ladder combo he has I think was designed for 1v1.

I really now see that Side B was designed with 2v2 at the front

Forefront

I really think that jab 3 should kill at least at 100.

Look at Buggs punch lol

[candid thunder]

It does

[carmine quartz]

Only at ledge though. When I say kill move I mean it can kill at any position

That's why up attacks / up tilt usually the best because blast zone right above

[mighty dawn]

Man this character is dumb lmao

[carmine quartz]

I think he's fun. Taz is dumb

[mighty dawn]

He is fun but so busted in 2s

[deft scroll]

Yeah nah actually nerf him. I think I made up my mind. He's allowed to get you to 80 damage so quickly out of nowhere

[candid thunder]

He has literally no combos

He is not getting you to 80 damage out of nowhere, not unless you're on cromulons or something but literally everyone does good on cromulons until those speakers break

Also you can practically infinite him because for whatever reason, despite being light, Jack is combo food

[mighty dawn]

I mean Jack's issue isn't insane combo game but the fact his hitboxes are so obscenely large that you can easily trap people in bad positions with no effort.

Add in tools to combo with a teammate and honestly not bad kill power at 100 you're kinda busted

[candid thunder]

Give me one swordie with bad hitboxes

[mighty dawn]

But you're changing the goalposts there. Jacks hitboxes even by swordies in this games standard is obscene

[tough axle]

only his air down special has a super broken hitbox tbh

[deft scroll]

Doesn't matter because he hits you everywhere

[pastel rose]

If PFG wants to nerf his hitboxes they gotta nerf his size too, otherwise you have a Jason Jab 2.0

It'd just look like it won't connect if they nerf his hitboxes

[deft scroll]

I mean yeah I was fighting him on cromulons

[candid thunder]

Then parry everywhere and get a free 80 damage combo

[deft scroll]

Jason doesn't have any combos

What am I supposed to even do

[mighty dawn]

Jason has combos

[candid thunder]

I thought you played Superman

[mighty dawn]

Lmao

[candid thunder]

But Jason has tons of combos

Mostly stemming from jab

[deft scroll]

Yeah jab jab side special

[candid thunder]

Jab > Jab > Dtilt > Up B I've seen work

[deft scroll]

I don't think that's true on all characters

[candid thunder]

Jab > Jab > Side B can loop at lower % if you read the DI and kills at higher %

[candid thunder]

It probably is on Jack since he just eats combos for breakfast for no reason

Shaggy has a loop that ONLY works on Jack

[mighty dawn]

Jab jab dtilt jab jab ulight uair is true from 15% to 25%

50% is jab jab side special loop with ground bounces

Pre sure jab downair loop still works as well

[candid thunder]

Not Iron Giant, not Jason, nobody but Jack

[deft scroll]

I used to use that but I don't think it's better than side special

[deft scroll]

First one isn't true

I've just tried it

Unless I'm missing something

[mighty dawn]

Only works on big bodies

[deft scroll]

Nvm, I think it is?

I'm not even sure

It's not consistent

[mighty dawn]

But I've hit it on shaggy as well, it's spacing dependant

[deft scroll]

Wait

Jab jab dtilt jab jab side special up attack is true I think

[mighty dawn]

Yeah look maybe

But my point of he has combos stands

[deft scroll]

I mean yeah but it's hard to even dodge jack

I think Jason is just not very good

I'm considering dropping him

I might main jack anyway

[mighty dawn]

Jack also bops Jason so that doesn't help aha

[crimson anchor]

Are you guys defending the most broken character in the game?

[candid thunder]

What makes Jack broken? Don't just say "His jab has a big hitbox!! 😠" because his jab doesn't combo into anything and it doesn't put you in a crazy disadvantage state ever and it only kills at around 100% at the very edge of the map

[crimson anchor]

No?his jab is good but nor broken, and it combos into a lot of thing

[candid thunder]

it combos into 2 attacks, sometimes 3 if running River's Flurry

But everyones argument for Jack being busted is always jab or side b

[deft scroll]

It combos Jason that's all you need to know

[crimson anchor]

So it's decent and good, not weak. But here I will not complain about a decent jab.

First of all, what you consider stupidly strong in jack?

I consider personally 3 things about jack.

He gets focus too quickly, has the same issue as iron giant rage meter.

He's up special and air neutral special kill a little bit too early. This last one having armored a little too much as an edge guard.

Samurai jack passive an character as a whole is too busted in 2 vs 2 but a little bit meh in 1 vs 1.

[candid thunder]

He definitely gets focus too quick, he shouldn't gain it for being hit that just rewards players for being bad at the game

His neutral b only kills early if he gets really risky off stage with it and what armor are you talking about? Ground neutral b? Because that ones a parry which has a whole gimmick of being armored to tank the next attack and counter it

[crimson anchor]

His neutral special in the air is a grab that has armor, there is not a lot of risk but is a little difficult too pull out, even tho it kills at any percentage and in higher ranks it changes completely the turns of the the match

I know the armor is only obtained after the ability is hit but there is a lot of scenarios when is hit that you can't do nothing about it, like projectiles saving you and canceling or even your own teammate. I only find it good in 2 vs 2 but not in 1 vs 1

I rather consider his down special better edgeguard than his grab

[candid thunder]

It doesn't have armor until AFTER he grabs something

I don't play 2s though so that armor means nothing to me

[crimson anchor]

Yeah, I just said that.

[crimson anchor]

That's the point, the ability is just a minor issue for me, is 2 vs 2 the format is slower and more chaotic, so his neutral special can pull some early kills too quickly.

I don't consider it strong, I just want it to have the same treatment that superman got with his up special. Probably throwing someone to the opposite side if to near to and edge? Idk . . . The grab bit it's own doesn't even deserve a nerf but the problem is in the 2 vs 2 format.

I just, don't know what to think in this situation.

[candid thunder]

What I don't like about 1s and 2s being different games entirely is the fact that balancing around one mode can gut the characters viability in the other sometimes (IG in beta)

[crimson anchor]

Yeah that's true, I think that the reason why most people says samurai jack is busted is because most play in 2 vs 2. I'm a 2 vs 2 player, and jack can fully stack of weakened a player in 2 seconds.

The 2 vs 2 format consist in a more battleground playstyle, if a character can pull kills too quickly, that character is busted. Since samurai jack cant be punished correctly since he has an active teammate with him, he can do a lot of damage, zoning and even early and unpunishable kills like the one I mentioned you earlier.

Otherwhise samurai jack is a meh character in 1 vs 1.

[candid thunder]

Maybe that's why I just don't see why everyone thinks Jack is busted

I almost exclusively play 1s

[crimson anchor]

Jack has a passive that consists that if an ally attacks after he hits any melee, the enemy receives a stack of weakened. So you can see where is the problem.

Also jack gains focus of his teammates receiving damage and dealing it.

So he has max focus even more quicker than 1 vs 1.

[candid thunder]

He gains focus off his teammates? No way that's true

[crimson anchor]

It is true

[candid thunder]

Prove it

[crimson anchor]

Let me try

[candid thunder]

Actually maybe I can

[crimson anchor]

Yes he does

He gains focus of his teammates

[pastel rose]

Agreed, should only get it from hitting attacks instead of being hit

[crimson anchor]

That's why people complains about his side b special, he just have focus all the time.

[candid thunder]

Time to public queue 2s and let my teammate get assassinated for a bit

And he's a Jason, he's cooked

[pastel rose]

I still really feel like they need 2 different balance teams for 1s and 2s

[crimson anchor]

JACKS GAINS FOCUS EVEN IF THEIR TEAMMATE FAILS THEIR ATTACKS

What the hell

Dude that's screwed up

I'm testing it and that's nuts.

[crimson anchor]

@candid thunder are you seeing this?

[candid thunder]

No he doesn't lmao

I just tested it in a real match 2 seconds ago

He does not get focus from his teammates

[crimson anchor]

Let me send video

[candid thunder]

I think his focus is just bugged

I've gained focus on whiffs before in 1s

Which definitely should NOT be happening

[crimson anchor]

Okay obs sucks, but believe me, put any character in your own team and put them in fight

Training mode

[candid thunder]

I just played TWO real matches

I did not gain focus for my teammates efforts

[crimson anchor]

Training mode

[candid thunder]

Training mode doesn't matter if it's not happening in a real game lmao

[crimson anchor]

But I happens a lot that Jack focus meter builds too quickly thanks to his teammate believe me

I send you evidence

[mighty dawn]

Jack busted in 2s

Like probs only S tier

[graceful raft]

yeah i don't play 2s so maybe jack is broken there

[crimson anchor]

He is broken there, a lot.

His passive makes that any knockback he deals, the attack afterward of his teammate will apply weakened so jack can have a last stand active from damage 0.

[mighty dawn]

Wait what

But I just think he is busted because his obscene hitboxes in 2s

Idk how anyone can recover with like ww on ledge and jack behind her

[crimson anchor]

Yes, jack has can always active 3 stacks of weaken in a enemy if he coordinates barely with him, he just needs a spam teammate that can hit afterward jacks deals any knockback to apply permanently 3 stacks of weaken.

Also we recently discovered that teammates also gives Jack focus dealing and receiving damage, even if that teammate fails those attacks

[graceful raft]

so marvin and jack is broken then

[candid thunder]

Only his specials apply this marked thing but still

[carmine quartz]

In my opinion Jack's side special was designed with 2v2 at the forefront.

[mighty dawn]

Even then it's cooked lmao

[carmine quartz]

I jab 3 Jack and he didn't even die at 140 dmg lol

[carmine quartz]

I hit a fully charged up special on a Jack at over 130 and he didn't die.
So not even that is a consistent kill move

Real fun juggling a opponent over 100 then die by a single tilt

At a lower percent than they

[candid thunder]

I don't believe this

Jacks up b is a very solid kill move

Especially with focus

Hits like a truck

[carmine quartz]

I recorded it but I record everything so I'd have to find it

I mean I just fully charged his air side attack and hit a 148 bugs on right side on stage and he didn't die

Jack doesn't have kill power but he has good range and a good kit

I juggle people often.
Hit them hard. They end up only dying by some off stage or near edge attack.

[candid thunder]

Jack has kill power

The moves that kill are just hard to hit

he doesn't have kill confirms though

That sucks

[carmine quartz]

I'd add its gotta be near ledge, unless we talking 150 dmg

[stable badger]

Neutral ground can kill at 85...

If you fully charge it

[carmine quartz]

Bro that's a full charged move, hecja strong

We talking about Jack kill power with tilts and kill confirms

[candid thunder]

Nobody is getting hit by a fully charged move

[carmine quartz]

Sometimes they do 😂

But yeah not really

[stable badger]

Yeah if you get a read on what they wanna do

[carmine quartz]

Any move charged like that better kill earlier

So that's good

[stable badger]

Has a lot of charged attacks

[carmine quartz]

Now his sair on the other hand lacking kill power

A even a fully charge sair lacking

I think its good for spacing

Chasing

[stable badger]

I think his sair is more for getting out of tricky situations

Neutral special air?

O nvm side air!

[carmine quartz]

Yeah

It don't kill. I know they gonna nerf Jack but they gotta buff some of his kill power.
I'm tired of reading a shaggy for ex like 8 times juggling them over and over then he hits me with jab and then I'm dead because of his uppercut

And the shaggy would be like 145 dmg

And I'm like 95

Happens all the time

[stable badger]

His moveset primarily has good side attacks. You should try to get your opponent close to ledge to confirm the kill using sair.

You can juggle with his up special but it's only a good idea when you're opponent is above 110 or smh. Else it would be hard to confirm

[carmine quartz]

Exactly. His moves are great, but like your opponent needs to be at ledge or off stage to kill

[carmine quartz]

My earliest kills comes from juggling ladders

Other than that, gimping off stage with edge guards

[stable badger]

I mean he has great range too, so approaching the shaggy and reading his moves could help pushing him further off stage for kill

[carmine quartz]

Love his up special

[carmine quartz]

Issue comes because Shaggy kills earlier than Jack so you have to be tricky

But honestly my biggest issues are Ayra, Tom n Jerry, maybe Taz? And Batman

[stable badger]

It's alr but since you're only able to use a special move 2 times without touching the ground it's hard to pull of a early combo that can kill

[carmine quartz]

I got some clips, but yeah not too often

Oh Morty

Yeah him too

That dirt leads to death

But yeah Tom n Jerry loop

That thing is so hard for me to escape

I went from 0-84 then he up air attacked and I died

[stable badger]

Hmm... Arya and Taz are tricky but I presume it's all in timing and reading opponents. You should try punishing them for attacks mostly (maybe???), Tom n Jerry is just playing extremely aggressive and not giving them any breathing space, batman is very good in making combos but they love spamming uppercut and vertical moves. So just try to avoid being directly above or under him at all times!

[carmine quartz]

Nice tips those are actually good points

[stable badger]

Thx man

[sweet flicker]

just reached diamond as jack and top 150 and feeling good
this character is just fun man

[crimson rapids]

PFG is always really good with making characters fun to play
its just the balance needs work on many fighters

[sweet flicker]

yeah almost all the characters are fun to play as not against

[sweet flicker]

i struggle with those same chars too
i think they have a very slight advantage
and tom n jerry if they are good i barely know how to deal with them

[crimson rapids]

T&J is a pain for like everyone for sure
but I will always take advantage of the fact that jacks side special always kills jerry in one hit

[sweet flicker]

oh i didnt know that cool
also dash attack does that found that by mistake lol

[crimson rapids]

like even if I use side special while jerry is flying in the air, I of course still get hit, but jerry dies so tom has one less resource

hmmm, silver III is agent smith land today
got two, wonder if I'll encounter a third

nope, its batman this time pff

he must have been bronze 5 because I absolutely bullied him
kinda feel bad but its ranked mode baybee

I checked his profile and he was in fact in bronze 5
he never stood a chance, why did the game do that to him

[sweet flicker]

if you check post game stats you can just see the rank there

[crimson rapids]

yeah, he was bronze 5 batman
against my silver 3 jack

anyways, time to see who jack will face next

harley xwx

well she sucked lol

one more win for silver 2
my jack journey is goin well

[indigo cloud]

https://youtu.be/1sXE0aONU78?si=twIpASEWv_4b4eId

I'm mad at all of you now

In other note. What's the common consensus here about Jack's placement on a tierlist

[crimson rapids]

hmmm, I think most agree that jack is strong but not busted
so I assume like, at least A tier?
also damn, dat hitbox

[indigo cloud]

Honestly if that side b had some end lag he'd be fine. And a moving hurt box so he doesn't teleport through projectiles

He's a better garnet

[distant tinsel]

Teleporting thru projectiles is cool tho. 🙂

[indigo cloud]

It's not very balanced tho

[visual bolt]

I'm in Diamond V holy smokes

[candid thunder]

He needs a way to deal with projectiles and his counter and throw take too long and are easily beaten by there being more than 1 projectile
Just whiff punish the side b the zoners all have instant melees for whatever reason

[indigo cloud]

I mean garnet has no actual way to deal with em either

But we don't get one of the best side bs

It's called avoiding em and getting good

[candid thunder]

Well here's the funny thing about Garnet, she's been low-mid tier since day 1

[indigo cloud]

Which is far but that's because rhythm sucks

Actual heavy projectiles side b doesn't help

Its just spacer ones like sandwich pie gauntlet

[candid thunder]

I don't think Jacks side b teleports through projectiles though

I've been hit out of it by projectiles against characters like Morty many times

[craggy sail]

The only nerfs I see jack getting is his disjointed hitboxes on his sword. I swear his sword attack hits me from very very strange places (pause on that)

[craggy sail]

Like I’ll be behind him and it hits. I’ll be not even that close to him, it hits

Also his jab range is wild.

[indigo cloud]

Maybe gauntlets just super buggy. But man. Get hit by my gauntlet

Wrong link

https://youtu.be/1sXE0aONU78?si=LRtGVQouXZ2l3sAP

Bro nerf what ever this is

[candid thunder]

Yeah his air down b is ridiculously disjointed

It actually strangely seems to just phase through my opponent when I hit them with the actual sword

It's like the hitbox is everywhere BUT where it should be

MultiVersus moment tbh

[craggy sail]

@indigo cloud yeah that’s what I pointed out before. His hitboxes on his sword are very disjointed

[indigo cloud]

Actually crazy hitbox

[visual bolt]

I CAME ACROSS VOID IN A MATCH WHAT THE HECK

It was in a 2v2 actually

I didn't think I was gonna win and I didn't but it was a 3-4 match and he played very good

He's playing Morty with Lethy, a pretty decent ranking Superman at the moment

[obsidian crane]

meditate seems very useless ngl

[indigo cloud]

It's good in-between stocks but if you can hit a focus attack that's way better

Being ledge camped

[obsidian crane]

yeah like id rather go for a focus attack rather than 4 grey hp in almost every situation

[indigo cloud]

Sometimes if they don't attack after spawning they'll out last your focus

[candid thunder]

Yeah a full focus bar is only like 8 grey health

You can't even negate the damage of one attack with that

[pastel rose]

not true Bugs Bunny's pies do 1 damage

you could negate 8 pies

[obsidian crane]

thats a lot of pies

[leaden sedge]

that s truly a lot of pies!

pls nerf

[indigo cloud]

Wait the pies do 1¿

Why am I avoiding em

[candid thunder]

They do put you in hitstun

[indigo cloud]

But that's far away from bugs

Do they have large knock back?

[leaden sedge]

no

[obsidian crane]

but you litteraly could eat 8 pies

thats a lot of pies

[leaden sedge]

indeed

that s about a lot of cooldown management

[indigo cloud]

If I'm like at 85 8 hp before my knock back is increased is a good deal. But not better than dealing like 20 damage

[carmine quartz]

lol I hear ya. I mean sure but they must be disjointed still. His disjoints are good but not godlike. I know this because Taz players can still hit me when I throw out an attack that’s spaced.

[carmine quartz]

Like what cosmic cat said, his side b kills Jerry in one hit so do that as soon as possible.

[distant tinsel]

It's fairly niche but it's a way to drain Focus without filling the meter first.

That way you can delay it filling up for a situation later in the game when you'll need more then.

[candid thunder]

Air down b in question

Jacks disjoints ARE ridiculous

[empty spruce]

Yes they are stop with the downplay

[candid thunder]

You know the downplay is outrageous when even I gotta disagree 🤦

[visual bolt]

I made it to Diamond IV, slowly making my way into Diamond III. I'm also a Top 130 Jack which is pretty neat. I figured since so many people were playing him I knew I wasn't gonna climb the leaderboards too fast, but I honestly thought it would take me until Masters to reach Top 100 because honestly it might happen sooner.

[carmine quartz]

I’ve seen Jack get hit when nothing was even there seriously.
The only disjoint that’s jank is his air down special in my opinion

[carmine quartz]

I thought the same thing

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[gleaming tinsel]

when does jacks focus aerial down special create a projectile and when doesnt it, is there an input

[graceful raft]

you gotta hit the floor with it

[empty spruce]

His jab too

[candid thunder]

You use it and land on the floor when it launches you down

[gleaming tinsel]

ah okay

[candid thunder]

His jab is a little silly but it's no air down b

[empty spruce]

U mean Jack hit when nothing was there 😂

[jade sand]

Y'all like feet or smth?

[carmine quartz]

Well it’s disjointed enough to hit Taz tornado but also Jack gets hit as well, so it trades if you time it right.

[empty spruce]

Ok so u agree on the hitboxes nerfs?

[carmine quartz]

I do, but it doesn’t seem fair that those would get nerfed when in my opinion there’s even more horrendous hitboxes that need nerfed like Batman dive kick

[empty spruce]

Idk man nerf them both

[carmine quartz]

That’s fine with me. All I’m saying is if Jack gets nerfed than others should too to be fair.

[crimson rapids]

its so fun that morty up air can true combo into itself
I lost an otherwise close game to a morty because I got hit by up air once and it combo'd into itself two more times

so fun

[dawn gazelle]

literally 80% of my matches are jack 💀

[empty spruce]

No it cant u just dont know how to dodge

[crimson rapids]

I was hitting that dodge button so much, it was all true

and no I was not in burnout

[empty spruce]

Idk man i think u didnt dodge in time, it never happened to mr

Me*

[crimson rapids]

#clips message
well heres the clip I guess
looking back it really feels like something janky happened

no jack nerfs c:

[feral wagon]

Patch notes out?

[crimson rapids]

ye

jack was untouched

[feral wagon]

Good

He doesn’t need much of any touching honestly

[prime hedge]

everyone wants this character nerfed😭

[graceful raft]

everyone is bad at the game

[crimson rapids]

me when I want one of the few balanced characters to get nerfed

[pastel rose]

Time to grind out Jack to masters while he's untouched : )

[feral wagon]

Everyone who can’t understand he’s meant to have good spacing

It’s the point

He’s a traditional swordie character

It’s what he does NAKAT literally told yall 😭

[pastel rose]

whoa +17 gain in platinum????

now THIS is doable

[deft scroll]

Nakat sucks

[feral wagon]

Why?

[deft scroll]

Probably because he's the reason wonder woman hasn't gotten any actual nerfs

[pastel rose]

you're expecting too much if you expect the community to understand that

[feral wagon]

I know

A gamer can wish 😔

[graceful raft]

ok but

on the flipside

nakat is also the reason samurai jack may not get gutted

if he can buff wonder woman he can save jack 💯 🔥

[leaden sedge]

true

did ranked become trash?

[graceful raft]

no its ft2 now

[pastel rose]

tbh there's a pushback from the community, half are saying he's fine while the other half are saying he's overpowered (the casual half in 2v2s)

[leaden sedge]

forgive my ignorance, what s ft2?

[graceful raft]

first to two

[leaden sedge]

ohhh

okay

[crimson rapids]

won my first best of three
jack v jack

[wraith imp]

NO JACK NERFS

LETS GO

[crimson rapids]

yknow maybe jack got secret buffs
#clips message

[pastel rose]

don't you gotta hold ⬅️↖️ instead of ⬅️?

[crimson rapids]

I guess holding out isn't enough, I gotta hold out with two controllers or something
dittos always make me feel like my game is personalized to hold me back, because stuff like this never works for me and I could be doing the exact same thing one to one

[pastel rose]

dittos is definitely a frame data knowledge fight, that and using moves in ways that the average person doesn't

[crimson rapids]

I still find it crazy that people want jack nerfed with the kinda stuff I be dealing with while playing him

[light pier]

yep

[dawn gazelle]

they did not change the attrocious hitboxes ??💀

[candid thunder]

His hitboxes are fine, mostly

He has a few which are vile

Like air down b

Idk what they were cooking with that

[dawn gazelle]

the side B can grab you from behind for no reason, and the foot kick can hit with his foot is not touching, the spining blade one can grab you from below aswell

[candid thunder]

His nair turns his whole body into a hitbox, his side b reaches like an inch behind him it aint that crazy and everyone hits behind them in this garbage game

[carmine quartz]

I’m so tired of hearing about Jack as if he’s the only character in the game lol
I’ve been playing 2v2s and it’s been a blast seeing all types of different characters.

[wraith imp]

too be fair he is new

and actually a pretty good character

[leaden sedge]

and also an heavily requested character

not surprised if when beetlejuice comes, we see him everywhere

[pastel rose]

fellas just fyi you can steal joker balloons lol

just used it to KO a joker, omg that was satisfying

[feral wagon]

Fr??

[graceful raft]

The more i play jack the more i really like him

He’s so well designed

I just hope they don’t nerf him

[feral wagon]

Agreed

[graceful raft]

Or if they do in a way that doesn’t ruin him

[feral wagon]

They probably will 😔

[graceful raft]

Which is unlikely

[feral wagon]

Cause people don’t understand character identity

[indigo cloud]

Character Identity doesn't mean anything in the face of balance

[feral wagon]

Or the fact Nakat literally explained to us himself he’s a swordie and his whole point is long disjointed attacks

[graceful raft]

The balancing changes for this game do not inspire me with confidence

They change things for no reason or while they are deserved in a way that also isn’t good

[pastel rose]

frrrr!

[graceful raft]

The recent morty nerfs are like…yeah morty could’ve done with nerfs but the way they did it just puts unnecessary strain on fun aspects of the character

The lebron changes are completely bizarre and just ruin him because…?

Whenever pfg nerf something it’s always the wrong thing it feels like

Sometimes they do a good job like the arya nerf but that feels so rare

[feral wagon]

Nice lmao

He can also grab Gizmo car btw

[pastel rose]

omg...

[carmine quartz]

Honestly Morty just retreats and uses dirt every mili sec. Not to mention if it hits they get a free combo into up air and if the first doesn’t kill the second will

[feral wagon]

Seriously

[viral smelt]

Careful what you say bro. They might do it next time.

[carmine quartz]

If he had better combos and a reliable kill move yeah

[candid thunder]

Jab > Jab > IAD grab

Kills especially early with focus

Jab > Jab > Dtilt > Dodge jab > Jab > Utilt, while not true, can deal up to 34 damage if they DI wrong

[carmine quartz]

Well I know of this. I wouldn’t work even at 50 dmg. So it’s a higher percent combo IF they dodge before

[candid thunder]

1. It's true
2. Killing at 50% is unhealthy, and just because other characters can doesn't mean Jack should

Those characters should just not kill as early

[carmine quartz]

For 2, yeah I’m glad it don’t kill at 50. I’m just saying it wouldn’t connect until then.

[candid thunder]

It connects at any percent, jab 1 and 2 have set knockback distances

[carmine quartz]

I’ve tried it at zero it doesn’t connect

Unless you show me

I like instantly input it too

Somehow I’m too slow?

Jab 2 to grab, wasn’t working till at least mid percents

[candid thunder]

Hm guess it's not true

Jack has no true kill confirms

Oh well

Guess we can always wait for Jack to get nerfed and see where that gets us

[carmine quartz]

I want you to try it though

I might be slow

[candid thunder]

I did

It isn't true at all

At any percent

[carmine quartz]

Well I’m training shaggy didn’t dodge at like… 65?

In

If they nerf I’m his jab 1 distance then he won’t even have his jab 2 down tilt dodge jab 3 combo

[graceful raft]

this does work

it just doesn't work on mid and heavy characters

it works on lightweights

[candid thunder]

Weight should not affect hitstun

Thats such a dumb mechanic

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[carmine quartz]

I think I might be a contestant for most wins with Samurai Jack.
At least top 10

I wonder how many you guys have?

[leaden sedge]

i am starting to play batman rn, kinda dropped jack for a bit

so i am still at 360

[carmine quartz]

Batman such a cool and good character

[carmine quartz]

That’s still pretty high up there

[leaden sedge]

tbh i got tired of jack lack of combos

and i ve always liked batman playstyle

[carmine quartz]

Yeah I would be happy with just 2 true combos.
Rn I know a few but it’s hard to tell

[leaden sedge]

i just wish that d tilt groundbounced and comboed into side air tilt

[carmine quartz]

That would be cool

It seems it would

[leaden sedge]

a crazy broken one but would be really cool

air down special into side special

only with ground though

and the one that SHOULD be true but for some reason ISNT

jab 1-2 and down special

[carmine quartz]

Whoa that would be a ACTUAL kill confirm.
Imagine jab 1-2 down slash

Repeat

Side be crazy too

If he could combo into it

So cool

[acoustic nymph]

isnt it true with the perk

i always hit it

[leaden sedge]

nop

[empty spruce]

Lil bro wait for the mid season patch and u gonna see what nerfs are🙏😅

[royal shadow]

Question

Is Jack's jab Frame 1?

[graceful raft]

if it was frame 1 he would be the best character in the game

[royal shadow]

Yeah, people keep complaining about it and claiming it's frame 1

[leaden sedge]

it s not at all

[primal ermine]

That's dumb

People need to stop saying he's op

[royal shadow]

Who has the best Jab?

Is it Jack?

[feral wagon]

It’s probably around frame like 6-9 ish I’d say

[feral wagon]

Finn or Iron Giant

Finn’s barely reaches further than Jack

But Iron Giant is a walking hitbox

[royal shadow]

Thank you!

[leaden sedge]

maybe Joker but not for frame data

it s just because he can start tods or other dumb stuff with it

[feral wagon]

Fair

[visual bolt]

Best of 3s are awful what

[indigo cloud]

Nah I love em

[visual bolt]

HOW

losing twice gets 40 points stripped from you

I hate it here I just got paired with the exact same opponents twice a duo Bugs

And that's 80 POINTS LOST

Okay never mind I only lost 60

Well I say only like that's not very much but still

I HATE THIS NEW SYSTEM

I can't believe people actually disliked the old system

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO GO UP

And I was so close too... I was in Diamond 4...

Well, was, because now I'm back in Diamond 5 hooray!!!!!

I was already not proud of the balance changes they were not good

But the addition of Bo3 make Ranked an absolute slog

Let's say hypothetically if I did gain points

And I use if specifically implying IF that'll ever happen anymore

I'll only gain ten points

I hate this

You never would have heard this from me before being a big fan of the game but

I genuinely hate this

OH THIS IS FANTAAAAAASTIIIIIIIIC

Arya

You're honestly right

That's what it feels like I've been doing the last fifteen minutes lol

[deft scroll]

I know how that feels

[feral wagon]

Imo it should be optional if both agree

Just make it so if you don’t do best of 3 you don’t gain as much

And if you lose the best of 3 you lose more than if you didn’t accept

Wouldn’t that make more sense?

I don’t wanna fight a character I hate fighting another time

Especially if they’re doing something cheesy all game

[leaden sedge]

yeh

[candid thunder]

Jack does what everyone else does, but worse

Even his parry special is just a worse Joker buzzer

[graceful raft]

not really

[candid thunder]

Yes really

[graceful raft]

no not in the slightest

he has some of the best neutral control tools in the game as well as incredibly good movement and solid options in most areas

a lot of characters do not have the level of space control or implied threat he does

[candid thunder]

He has bad combos that rely on your opponent not knowing how to DI, he has low kill power side from 2 or 3 moves and relies on gimping you off stage with reads
He doesn't have much for projectiles or armor and for whatever reason, he's combo food despite being a lightweight

[graceful raft]

yeah

he has weaknesses

none of those things you listed detract from any of the things i said

they are also not even hard to circumvent because all of his tools are solid if you know how to use them efficiently

[deft scroll]

Zypten why do you love to glaze jack so much

You keep downplaying him every time
He has arguably the best combo in the whole game with joker that just drags you across the stage

[graceful raft]

no he doesn't

what

[deft scroll]

He's not busted but he's not that bad

[graceful raft]

jack's combos are bad

this is like one of the main weaknesses of him as a character

[deft scroll]

Jab jab down tilt dodge jab jab up tilt

[graceful raft]

this isn't a combo

[deft scroll]

Just drags you across the stage and proceeds to edgeguard you

[graceful raft]

they have to di badly for this to be an actual combo

[deft scroll]

It's literally true

I've done it multiple times

[graceful raft]

you have done it on people who do not know how to di out of it

[deft scroll]

I've tried it multiple times and seen people do it multiple times
It's true

[graceful raft]

i will literally bet you money, my house, my life savings, my wife, all material possessions and my soul that is is not true

because it is not true

if it was true jack would in fact have incredible combos

but it is not true because you can DI upwards to escape from it and then immediately get back to playing

the people you play against do not know how to do this

nor do the people that you've seen getting hit by it in clips other people post

[candid thunder]

No he doesnt

He has bad combos lmao

Like I said, his combos rely on your opponent not knowing how to DI

[candid thunder]

Not true

You can DI it

Actually, I think no DI is better than what most people do against it lmao

It never lands on the Shaggy bot in training

[deft scroll]

Just landed for me

I just tried it

[candid thunder]

Guess your Shaggy bot DIs down then

[deft scroll]

Do you have to have dodge after hitstun enabled

[candid thunder]

Yes

[deft scroll]

I'll try

[candid thunder]

For whatever reason, dtilt doesnt bounce him

Never works for me

[deft scroll]

Ok I admit

It's inconsistent

For me it works sometimes sometimes it doesn't

Sometimes the down tilt doesn't even land

But it still works sometimes

[candid thunder]

And in a real match, if your opponent knows how to DI it, it never works

[deft scroll]

I'll try

Yeah I apologize it's not true, it did work once but they do need to have bad di

He still has decent combos but most of them come from jab

I could've sworn it was true but I guess not

[candid thunder]

He really doesn't have any true consistent combos

[deft scroll]

I think his edgeguarding is just a little too good and he gets focus too quickly

[candid thunder]

Jab > Jab > Utilt is his most consistent "combo"

[deft scroll]

But everything else is fine

[deft scroll]

Yeah

[candid thunder]

But sometimes utilt just whiffs anyways

[deft scroll]

Also side note I just had the most sweatiest match against a garnet, garnet mains are so cracked

[candid thunder]

His edge guarding is what he relies on for kills

Without good edge guards, he wouldn't have kills

His kill power on most attacks is really weak

[deft scroll]

That's true

I think I just need to play him a bit more to get his weaknesses

At this point I quit Jason anyway so why not

[candid thunder]

Projectiles are near impossible to deal with as Jack

[deft scroll]

Beetle is a good move tho

Too bad it takes ages to come out

[candid thunder]

For whatever reason, all the other swordies are better than him and win the MU

[candid thunder]

Ftilt? Yeah it's strong but now that people have gotten to learn how Jack works, it rarely hits

[deft scroll]

Neutral attack

[candid thunder]

Oh yeah

I swapped ground side and neutral a while ago

Jab is my neutral

[graceful raft]

his edgeguarding is fine

jack is basically fine

you don't really need to change him in any way

[candid thunder]

He's fine in a game where half the cast is overtuned

[graceful raft]

not really

he has the tools to fight most of the crazier characters tbh

but he's not like

oppressively dominant

but honestly yeah the balancing of this game is trash

im probably done with it for a while

not just because of that but because the ranked changes are like

actually abysmal

idk why pfg are so adamant on trying to ruin a good thing

[carmine quartz]

Really only hits in 2v2

[deft scroll]

Me too
Playing as Jason has been a awful experience, I'm probably just gonna wait until the ppg come out

I just saw someone with the lost jack skin

It's lame

[carmine quartz]

I’m glad I grinded ranked before the BO3

[deft scroll]

It has no effects and no new animations

Way worse than Uber jason

[graceful raft]

yeah im chilling

i already hit masters 1 i don't have anything left to do

other than try to grind into top 100 which i cant be bothered with

[deft scroll]

What rank are u

[carmine quartz]

Who’s your main?

[graceful raft]

jason

[carmine quartz]

Diamond in both 1v1 and 2v2

[deft scroll]

Idk how you climbed into masters with Jason it seems impossible

[deft scroll]

With jack?

[graceful raft]

its not impossible

some matchups are very annoying

[deft scroll]

Arya

[carmine quartz]

You down to do 2v2?

[graceful raft]

but outside of those specific matchups you can do fine

nah bro im done with the game lol

i don't want to touch it

[carmine quartz]

Yeah

[graceful raft]

at least not now

[deft scroll]

Idk why I'm even trying to reach master

I don't even like the jack skins

[carmine quartz]

I need the Jack skins

[deft scroll]

They're all ugly honestly

[graceful raft]

the balancing of the game is horrible and the ranked system is horrible and they keep wanting to take fun stuff out so im just gonna go wait until midseason patch probably

[deft scroll]

Do you have any tips to win with Jason
I also struggle with projectile characters

[carmine quartz]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[graceful raft]

uh

i mean there isn't a specific magic master tip i can give you that will cure all your problems

idk what you exactly struggle with

[carmine quartz]

I struggle against Finn and Tom n Jerry

Any tips against them would be awesome

Also Taz a bit

[graceful raft]

you have to be patient vs finn and read when he likes to release his attacks

and enforce a strong edgeguard game vs him

[deft scroll]

Just projectile characters like Rick, Marvin and etc.
I also struggle with approaching some characters sometimes

Just approaching in general

[graceful raft]

make sure to use your dodge cancels to get close to people with like a dash sair

you can teleport and bait anti airs by jump cancelling the recovery

rick is not that big of a deal when he has no meseeks because his projectiles honestly aren't very good

i've beaten all the top rick players at some point

[carmine quartz]

Ok I got that. I’m a Jason main as well that heavily picked up Samurai Jack. So I see it

[graceful raft]

yeah i also play jack

he's the only other character im good with

[carmine quartz]

They are both characters you need to read opponent well to win with

[deft scroll]

It's the gun shots
And I also get comboed into a lot of damage sometimes because of how big I am

[carmine quartz]

Wait…. Yeah we’ve played each other before. You’ve played 2v2 with Jason too?

[graceful raft]

i've played 2v2s a few times yes

i usually play with a black adam

[carmine quartz]

Yeah I think I played you sometime in the last couple days.
I kinda recognize your name now

[deft scroll]

I saw you in crazy noc's stream

[carmine quartz]

Who he play?

[graceful raft]

i dont play 2v2s too much just 1v1s usually

[deft scroll]

I was like "hey it's that guy from the discord server"

[deft scroll]

Superman

[graceful raft]

im done though

[carmine quartz]

Did he whoop me?

[graceful raft]

lost 32 points for losing to one of the top ba players who should have pretty much same mmr as me

nah bro that aint it

[deft scroll]

I think so

[carmine quartz]

Yeah RP is wack rn.
I’ve lost a bunch to a team of Master 1 in 2v2

[carmine quartz]

What’s his twitch I want to watch it lol

There’s so many streamers

I feel like every match I play it’s a streamer

[deft scroll]

CrazyNoc

Same name

[deft scroll]

True lol I remember I destroyed a streamer one time

[carmine quartz]

Ok let me seeee one sec

[carmine quartz]

Yeah bro, sometimes I check the stream to see their reaction 😂

[carmine quartz]

Oh HIM! Hahaha no way I lost I’m 💀 I gotta find myself in this 3 hour stream 2 days ago is the recent

[deft scroll]

Every time I see a streamer I search for their twitch lol

[deft scroll]

Yeah it's in that one

[carmine quartz]

Dang 1v1? I couldn’t find myself in it I’m bummed. Looked through the whole thing too

What’s crazy is I get so much hate messages for playing Jack.
Like people.
This is MVS chill

I never sent not one thing to anyone like that

[deft scroll]

Does anybody know how to fight joker

[deft scroll]

I'm lucky I only got one hate message

[carmine quartz]

He’s top 5 my opinion. He’s so good.
Make him whiff Jab
Watch out for up attacks too

Be aware of his move set

[deft scroll]

I can't because he takes priority over everything I do

And Marvin is so braindead too

I hate both of em and arya

[carmine quartz]

Who you play?

[carmine quartz]

Marvin 2v2 is a Hell Lord lololol bullethell extravaganza

[candid thunder]

Dont get hit by his jab

Or uair

Or utilt

[carmine quartz]

That’s what I’m saying

He will kill you before you kill him. He kill real early

[candid thunder]

Joker is very hard to fight

He doesn't have much for whiff frames, he's fast, has the best jab in the game which also gives him a free 50 damage combo

High kill power too

He's insane all around

[deft scroll]

It's impossible with jason

It's hard to even dodge the projectiles

[crimson rapids]

one thing that gives me hope for the lost jack skin is that shagworthy, who was in the game since beta, finally got some unique animations other then his character select in the mid season 1 patch

surely he'll get something unique, even if it takes all season

[deft scroll]

Wait really? Can you link it?

And yeah I hope he does cause if he doesn't it would be very disappointing

[crimson rapids]

I don't think anyone has uploaded anything of the new animations but he does have them
I remember because he always used shaggys animations since beta but all of a sudden he had his own unique ones

specifically they added a unique entrance, winning, and I think losing animation randomly in the mid season patch

so MAYBE
maybe lost jack will get that treatment too, just, way sooner

hopefully

[deft scroll]

I found it, the animation isn't that cool but at least it's something

[crimson rapids]

well yeah, I didn't expect anything insane, but it was nice he had his own finally

in my head, lost jacks mask would break for his losing animation
and his entrance is he comes in on the motorcycle

[deft scroll]

Or the horse

Maybe they could give him battle damage and make his armor break

Would definitely make him worth it

[candid thunder]

After the first stock, his helmet breaks and after the second the shoulder guards break
Would be fire tbh

They wont do that, obviously

But if they did

[distant tinsel]

Gives me games to adapt.

Or if I liked playing someone.
It gives me a chance to get some more rounds in.

[distant tinsel]

Eh
I'm here to run matches with hazards off against some more skilled players not to get ranked points.

[leaden sedge]

that s a real chad behaviour tbfh

[tough axle]

Dont lose twice fr

[empty spruce]

Super downplay

[junior apex]

atm rp gain is only based on the mmr of your opponent

if you have more than the person ur playing against (even if they're a higher rank than you)- you get minimal rp

losing to anyone with less mmr punishes you for it

[obsidian crane]

jacks the most skillfull character imo actually depends on being better and reading your opponent than just having the one combo you fish for the entire game having so much fun with him

[sweet flicker]

anyone got tips against arya?

[junior apex]

Honestly in that matchup it’s really just a game of chicken to see who attacks first and trying to punish the other’s whiff with bread and butter combos

[sweet flicker]

yeah i hate it
anything to di in case i get hit?
especially after her up special since that what kills me most often her charged sair i think

[junior apex]

I’m ngl I don’t really know what to do with DI if there’s any option there- feels like a pretty solid kill confirm

[candid thunder]

Nope you cant DI it, it's true and kills ridiculously early on Jack because he's a lightweight

[junior apex]

his weight is definitely one of his biggest weaknesses- but honestly feels pretty valid with how much damage he can dish out

[candid thunder]

His damage is to counterbalance his lack of combos

[junior apex]

He has some decent combos still- and some janky ones from what I’ve seen

[candid thunder]

No his only good combos rely on bad di

[junior apex]

Even with “good di” he still has options

Jab has quite a few follow ups based on how the opponent reacts

[carmine quartz]

So why the heck did I lose -14 to a Master Rank 1? I was only Plat or Diamond can’t remember now

[carmine quartz]

Reading your opponent and not having a reliable kill confirm

[junior apex]

-14 is on the lower end of point loss ngl

I think every loss I’ve had today has been at least -16 or higher

[carmine quartz]

lol i shouldn’t have lost any lol losing to #2 in the world 1v1 hahaha it was -14 or higher
Also I’ve lost -17 many times in 1v1 but in 2v2 I’ve lost like -32
But gain more too

[junior apex]

Yea I don’t agree with the current state of the point system, it’s a bit messy and punishes you with a net loss in points even if you win most games

[carmine quartz]

Exactly,
Best way to put it
It feels like your fighting points instead of players

[junior apex]

You honestly are- matchmaking has nothing to do with your actual rank at the end of the day

[carmine quartz]

It don’t.
Even though it says something like
“We designed it so you can fight against players if similar rank to give a challenging experience”
With that logic why then am I pitted against a Gold V rank all the way to a Master 1 rank and lose the same amount of ridiculous RP?
It’s basically saying the game expected me to win both?
Like, am I supposed to be better than Void and Nakat combined?
Just doesn’t feel fair at all

[junior apex]

yea I get that- seeing players that have competed in tournaments and beating them for +17 or +14 has been wild to me lmao

[carmine quartz]

Way wild.
I’ve played, probably, 4 different occasions in 2v2 against 2 Master 1 Ranks. Both Master 1.
And I got a Gold with me lol.
Out of the 4 I only won one. But of course I lost a crap load of RP.
It’s like saying “ah dude you were supposed to win that! You deserve that loss!”

[candid thunder]

Its based on hidden MMR from unranked

That master 1 player is in the same MMR range as you

[carmine quartz]

That’s ridiculous

[candid thunder]

MMR matchmaking is their way of making it so anyone can get Jacks skin this season

[carmine quartz]

Well it don’t feel like that

RP is stupid

You gotta be above top 100, like top 15 to get it

[candid thunder]

No RP is garbage at any rank

Matchmaking is based on MMR though

RP is irrelevant

[raven radish]

I just got hit with a forward air from Jack like half a characters length below him. lol what a broken hitbox

Not to mention that broken jab hitbox

[candid thunder]

Definitely a lag issue

[candid thunder]

His jab hitbox is mostly visually accurate, though it does extend slightly beyond where it should
Due to how attacking can shift your hurtbox and how getting hit puts your character in a certain position, his jab can appear much bigger than it is

[carmine quartz]

Naw I mean you gotta get master Skins at like top 15

Rick has the broken jab hitbox

[candid thunder]

Why

Thats just stupid

That means nobody except the top players get free cosmetics

[carmine quartz]

It is! I know this because I hit like 88 with Jack and then someone only got it when they reach like 15

And of course I lose like once I go to 135

[candid thunder]

You just need 2500 RP

Specific rank is irrelevant

[carmine quartz]

Just…. If only

Lost -26 so I hopped off

There won’t be many with Master Skins I can tell ya that much

[candid thunder]

2s > 1s I'm ngl

[carmine quartz]

2v2 has been way more fun because I can suffer and glory with someone lol

Instead of alone

[raven radish]

lol Jack jab visually accurate? You might wanna watch some clips

[candid thunder]

Go into lab and show me a clip of its ridiculous hitbox and I'll believe it but I havent seen it in a single match so far

[raven radish]

Plenty of clips out there not even mentioning side b hitting from behind

[candid thunder]

It hits slightly behind

[raven radish]

Just got abused by these same hitboxes just now. It’s not even debatable

It’s literal fact

[candid thunder]

Anyways if you cant find me a clip then you're just whining because you lost

[raven radish]

Truth hurts you must be a Jack main. Nerfs inc

[candid thunder]

Hey man not my fault you lost lmao

Also who do you even play you have called every character under the sun busted

At least when I do it I target characters that have been high tier or top tier, or Velma because she should be nerfed

But you? You called Banana Guard busted

[raven radish]

Man you type of lot of words to be wrong

Banana my main. Top 15

I’ll find you some clips hold on

[candid thunder]

It would be easier to just go to the lab probably

[raven radish]

Ugh I don’t care enough. It’s all over twitter. It’s not just me saying this my guy.

It is what it is I’ll deal till patch

[candid thunder]

I don't use Twitter

Nasty ass platform

No matter what you do it's just politics anyways

[raven radish]

True

[open harbor]

everyone who plays this character in ranked is obese

[candid thunder]

Someone lost their ranked match lmao

[open harbor]

actually I lost to finn in ranked and deleted the game Zypten

[candid thunder]

Oh thank God

[open harbor]

🤓

[safe notch]

Is jack rage comeback mechanic broken? I get it's not like shaggy but I feel like it makes your disadvantage to advantage state.

[candid thunder]

His focus mechanic? It's definitely a little overtuned but I wouldnt say broken
Just shouldn't give focus for getting hit or give less focus overall so it's not as spammable

[open harbor]

Finn and samurai jack mains trying to “learn the matchup” against their abusive father: (suddenly they are not very strong)

[wraith imp]

it’s -3

unwinnable

[carmine quartz]

I mean, isn’t that the whole point? Clouds meter in Smash is to help get him out of that disadvantage. Terry same thing. Sephiroth same thing. Shaggy same thing. Jack same thing.
They should probably make Jack gain less focus, and then buff his Focus Signature perk to make it relevant.

[graceful raft]

nothing about jack is broken

[leaden sedge]

yeah, and it s also a super baitable move if they get focus

[carmine quartz]

It is! Also it has enough startup frames to get hit out of it

Jack is already not top tier, so when he gets nerfed, he’s gonna be super mid.

All the while Joker, WW, Black Adam, Taz, Harley, Arya, etc, just chillin

[leaden sedge]

when is mid season specifically?

i know it s a dum question but still i wanna count the days

i have just seen the beetlejuice film and am actually hyped for the character now

[carmine quartz]

Naw you’re good. We should hear soon like tomorrow. I don’t like how we are always wondering

[leaden sedge]

tomorrow is mid season rlly?

[carmine quartz]

Dude that’s so cool to hear. He’s wild right?!

[leaden sedge]

also tbh is not necessarly a bad thing to leave us wonder

[carmine quartz]

We should get news about it

[leaden sedge]

didnt know that at all!

is it like an announcement i missed?

[carmine quartz]

I mean like with Agent Smith and now BeetleJuice.

[carmine quartz]

No but it’s very likely we get news

[leaden sedge]

with smith it was known tbh, just had to wait the rifts

and since he s the only character which doesnt have leaks or anything

it probably means he s fire ( like smith was )

[leaden sedge]

hope so

[carmine quartz]

I’m so looking forward to all the “BeetleJuice is Broken!” Videos and comments lol.

[candid thunder]

Just stop getting hit by side b and punish his insane whiff on every attack

[candid thunder]

Harley is a mid tier and BA isn't a top tier

[leaden sedge]

imagine that he has a mechanic that if he hits u 3 times he pulls out some goofy stuff

[carmine quartz]

Harley is A tier. She is solid. Mid to me is B.
BA isn’t top but he’s better than Harley. I can easily kill with him. EZ

I was a Black Adam main in Beta as well as Morty even though stuff changed he’s more crazy

[carmine quartz]

Right, like I can only imagine some graveyard stuff with him too

[crimson rapids]

god, the jack ditto is abysmal

[carmine quartz]

I actually enjoy Jack ditto. At least I feel more comfortable in that matchup rather than Finn or Taz.

[crimson rapids]

people keep trying to tell me rick is bad, but I genuinely can't do anything against him as jack

just the smallest little touch of a PIXEL of his jab, and I'm locked into a 0toD while the game eats all my dodge inputs

[leaden sedge]

tod not, but surely if u miss dodges he s gonna do u chunks

[crimson rapids]

when I say the game eats a dodge, I mean it says "DODGED" but I still get hit anyways

of course the games "skill based matchmaking" also put me with a rick in gold 2 (1v1)/platinum 1 (2v2) while I'm in silver 1(1v1) as jack

[candid thunder]

Rick, being a zoner, is a very bad match-up for Jack

[leaden sedge]

cuz ( its my theory ) when it says dodged it s when u have already dodged an attack and got hit from another chained attack

[crimson rapids]

well, I finally did it
jack is in gold (1v1s)

I am 20,016th in the world 😎

50% winrate xwx

[carmine quartz]

Rick is not bad at all, idk what they talking about.
He has one of the best jabs in game and has insane combos. Some the best zoning too.
Jack does horrible against zoners

[crimson rapids]

like when I said I get hit by a single pixel of his jab and I'm basically dead, its no exaggeration, that thing is massive, you can't not get hit by it

[graceful raft]

why do you say this

[tight garden]

Ajax does entire damn args on his Twitter for release dates of character and people are guessing the beetlejuice trailer was gonna come out today

[candid thunder]

No way

At least with Jack, you have a way to survive passed 60%

With Finn, you're usually dead before then

Finns jab is also bigger and faster

[graceful raft]

Jack is the most popular character and also very good

Expect people to complain about him forever

[candid thunder]

Like many characters, Jacks jab is his strongest neutral tool so thats why
Idk what it is with the devs but they like to make nothing but jab start combos

[leaden sedge]

it didnt that s sad

[wet widget]

the wasted a great character with an obnoxious movewset

i love not being able to escape and do anything

love just having to take long strings of damage

its so cool having no contorl

so fun

you all can just mashh aand away with it

he's so braindead

[tough axle]

🧂

[wet widget]

learn someone hard

[tough axle]

I play multiple characters

Not even a jack main

But ur crying about someone thats not broken

I mean sure tbh he is a lil braindead cause he caters to the casuals in the sense that hes a recommended fighter, easy to use. Still not super strong and very much beatable

[wet widget]

not broken

annoying

like

in 2's

if your enemy has a good enough teamate and a jack

there's nothing really stopping the jack from being an annoying spammer

gets annoying when those people tbag like they even worked for any of thier kills

its absolutly beatable

but there's nothing fun about that process

i'd like for there to be more thought into using his moveset

[tough axle]

Nah

I'd win

[digital crow]

This isn't a Jack thing and more of a me thing trying to give people a positive experience

[timber maple]

He's pretty overtuned

ngl

[graceful raft]

He isn’t overtuned

Nothing about jack is broken

He has clear weaknesses and none of his moves are overbearinf

Learn to play vs the character man 😭

[carmine quartz]

Bruh. If Jack had combos like Joker and kill confirms then maybe. But guess what?? He don't

[timber maple]

jack is VERY solid like S tier solid

Learn combos he's not even difficult

[carmine quartz]

How is he “S tier solid”? You think he's better than Joker and Arya?

[timber maple]

On par definitely

[carmine quartz]

How? Like explain that

[timber maple]

fym how? side special, focus meter getting full every 10 seconds, insane hitboxes, SUPER fast

He has no flaws

If ur using jack and u lose to someone such as jake, or taz thats a skill issue

[leaden sedge]

if i had a penny everytime complained about jack's side special i d be really rich

[carmine quartz]

Taz is better than Jack

[timber maple]

LOOOOOOL

Convo over

downplaying jack mains yeo 😭

[leaden sedge]

that for sure is a skill issue unless u go against spammers who use those characters

[carmine quartz]

Even Void thinks so.

[timber maple]

I dont CARE what void thinks

[leaden sedge]

taz for sure has some goofy aah moves that beat jack in every way

[carmine quartz]

Your whole reasoning was “skill issue” when Void is literally the most skilled player in the world at this game.

[timber maple]

"in every way"

[timber maple]

i REALLY dont care what this one person thinks

[leaden sedge]

i can find just neutral beating his tornado

( maybe )

[timber maple]

try jacks air down special

[carmine quartz]

So you just pick and choose who you decide is credible based on what?

[leaden sedge]

which is punishable and slower than tornado

[timber maple]

skill issue tbh

[leaden sedge]

and i got hit from it

[leaden sedge]

oh okay alr convo ends here 😭

[timber maple]

according to ur logic

ive seen a tons of people really good and really bad say jack is S tier

and also

according to insights JACK is S TIER

in 1s AND 2s

[carmine quartz]

I'd say he's S-tier in 2v2

[timber maple]

AND 1s

[carmine quartz]

Naw

He's not better than actual S tiers

[timber maple]

"actual S tiers"

jack is an S tier

[carmine quartz]

He just can't be he doesn't fit criteria

[timber maple]

he doesnt fit YOUR criteria

[leaden sedge]

didn't u see jack new tod, better than joker

get out u re wrong

[carmine quartz]

“Tod”?

[leaden sedge]

was just messing with u

[carmine quartz]

Oh lol

[carmine quartz]

Dude. You said he's on par with Arya because he “gains focus too fast, he's a fast character, has insane hitboxes, and has no flaws”
For one there's no way he's the fastest.
His “insane hitboxes” clank with Taz for example
And saying “he has no flaws” is literally a false statement as I've already mentioned a couple of them.

If Taz isn't considered a good character to you, then how would the “best character” in game clank with a low tier?

If the hitboxes are “insane”?

[timber maple]

Swear to God im not reading ts

[carmine quartz]

Arya dosent need focus to win

[timber maple]

You already have terrible takes

waste of time honestly

[carmine quartz]

Ok so why come in here and say your garbage if you won't listen to others?

I listen to you even though what your saying is poorly thought out

We need to respect each other even when we disagree.

[timber maple]

ur takes are trash and I highly doubt ur any good at the game

Keep spewing bs

ur beloved jack is getting nerfed soon

downplaying is wicked

[carmine quartz]

Well you already don't care what Void takes are so… why would I even expect you to care… maybe I give you the benefit of the doubt.

[carmine quartz]

What I “spew” is reasonable

I don't just say “you already have terrible takes” “your a waste of my time”.

After dumping a opinion

That's unreasonable

I have no ill feelings towards you.

Go play the game, or whatever.
Jack will be nerfed.
I've actually suggested some nerfs even though I don't think he's broken.
Have a good one bruh

[timber maple]

I DONT gaf what his takes are

[timber maple]

spewing str8 nonsense

[timber maple]

"taz is better than jack"

[timber maple]

😭

[leaden sedge]

@carmine quartz just end it not even worth it tbh

[carmine quartz]

Even Void said it. But yeah you don't care.

[carmine quartz]

Yeah I am.

[leaden sedge]

he ignored my and ur points so is just useless

[timber maple]

U had 0 points btw

[leaden sedge]

did

[timber maple]

I do not care what void says

[leaden sedge]

but as i said, am playing the game so let me enjoy it

[timber maple]

im not stopping you in anyway?

This convo actually had nada to do with u

[leaden sedge]

did because we were on the same topic anyway

[timber maple]

ehh

just say you wanna be included dude

thats all

[leaden sedge]

cuz i need a permission... right okay dude

[timber maple]

Never said that but 🫡

[leaden sedge]

just did but yeah next time ill ask ur majesty to enter

[timber maple]

When did I say u need permission?

[leaden sedge]

jab nerfs ig

[timber maple]

cant even tell me 😂