Samurai Jack

[buoyant anchor]

well, i hope i see some clarification in upcoming patch notes about what is and what isn't supposed to connect

one thing i hope they change about this char, at least visually, is the side special

[candid thunder]

That perk makes it so Jack dashes/teleports instead of shooting projectiles

[buoyant anchor]

i dont know why the line is above jack, it makes it a bit confusing to aim

also, when the animation ends it looks like he just went straight forward wich really trips me up

[cursive moat]

His counter shoots a projectile normally???? ._.

[candid thunder]

Yeah

That's what it normally does

[crimson rapids]

when you have the meter

[candid thunder]

The shadow step perk changes it so he dashes/teleports

[candid thunder]

Nope

Don't need meter

Meter just makes it a heavy

[crimson rapids]

hmm, guess I'm always hitting melees with my counter then so I never notice

I love cloud blade beam
pft heheh

[cursive moat]

I feel like it'd make more sense if it just reflected projectiles given I doubt you'd ever actually see the beam otherwise, but I guess it's neat.

[crimson rapids]

thats kinda what the grab is for I guess

since you can grab and throw projectiles

[cursive moat]

True.

[stray mauve]

feels like i have to try a lot harder than TnJ to win the matchup

[pastel rose]

WOW HOLY COW THIS LAG

I almost lost against this Batman because I'd disconnect for like 2 seconds and immediately my character starts running to the suicide off the ledge

It's like Jack was possessed by Aku to immediately just kill himself

I WRESTLED with the controls

[cursive moat]

That happened to me too earlier-- But when it happened to me, the game sped up while I had no control.

Luckily this was on the Rick & Morty stage so Jack just continously walked into a wall.

[carmine quartz]

I’ve lost matches like myself. It happens at random moments for like, 3-5 seconds but thats all it takes for whoever to run off stage.

[pastel rose]

I'm deranking because of it...

OKAY PFG PLEASE COME FIX THE SERVERS.

[pastel rose]

I was in 1 match before I derank back to gold because of this of lag... The last match I just did there was this Samurai Jack who was afk. I contemplate for a minute... and I was forced to 3 stock him.

PFG you made me do this...

[carmine quartz]

I thought there’s been hecka complainers about how you couldn’t derank?????

[pastel rose]

I did not want to do that to that man

Nah I deranked from Plat 4 to Plat 5 and almost deranked into gold

[carmine quartz]

Whaaaa so it is possible

So what are people actually complaining about?

They say it’s pointless because you can’t derank ?

[pastel rose]

People don't ever know what they're complaining about. I almost did because the lag kept running me off the ledge every time

This feelsssooooo bad

I might just go play another game damn..

deranked into gold 1 because I keep dcing..

[reef karma]

If you're desyncing that much just play another game for a while until it gets better

[crimson rapids]

you actually just can't fight harley, its crazy
I've made use of all the advice the harley channel gave me on things and it never mattered because she's just too janky

[tough axle]

yeah tf I thought u essentially didnt lose rp lol

[carmine quartz]

HOLY yeah dude I never got it that bad. Like 2 per 4 hours or something

[carmine quartz]

Yeah. I don’t know what to believe now

[tough axle]

how is it this bad for ppl, I've prob dced 1 time max this season

[pastel rose]

I got ethernet dawg

that's how bad it is for some people

[tough axle]

yeah lol but why its so weird is it just random

torturing random players

[pastel rose]

I somehow must've sinned against Tony.

I'm sorry for all the mean things I've said Tony. I take it back. Your game is great. I just complained a lot. I am sorry.

[tough axle]

yes now you'll never dc

[crimson rapids]

like I'm on wifi and I've never had running off the edge lag, well I did yesterday once >w>

[tough axle]

wheres the samurai jack, smith, jason, joker, bg emojiss smhhh

do better

[candid thunder]

Jack actually has nothing but bad matchups lmao

No way people want him nerfed when EVERYONE has a winning MU against him

[crimson rapids]

they want him nerfed because people keep putting "JACK IS BROKEN" in their titles and thumbnails

[late falcon]

FR

You know the character is NOT broken when even @candid thunder says he isn't broken

[candid thunder]

My opinion on characters should be completely ignored

I am unfathomably biased and an avid downplayer/upplayer, depending on the character

That being said, Jack is NOT overpowered 😭🙏

He has a -2 MU against any zoner, at least -1 against all the swordies, -1 against anyone with decent amounts of armor (because his grab has a small hitbox and is kind of slow compared to the speed of armored attacks), and his best MU is probably +1 against like Garnet or something

[late falcon]

He has a bad matchup against HIMSELF

Not much needed to say here

[candid thunder]

He has an even matchup against himself.

It is not possible to have a bad or good matchup against yourself.

[wraith imp]

ngl

that’s kinda od

[deft scroll]

What's the best perk for Jack? I've just been using the 5% damage one but is another one better?

[late falcon]

I use the "shadow steps" one (or whatever it's called I don't play in english), but any other of his signature perks is good depending on your playstyle

[mighty fable]

My cat turned on samurai Jack somehow

On the tv

[candid thunder]

Shadow step is kind of ass tbh

It's only really worth using against zoners

[candid thunder]

5% is always a solid choice, you can never go wrong with it
Mindful Flow is a pretty crappy perk which spawns you in with like 2 or 3 hits worth of focus, one nair and you get that normally I would not recommend it
River's Flow is a solid perk which makes jab 1 > jab 2 > down b true against most characters (small characters are immune to it, for whatever reason)
Shadow Step can be helpful against zoners as an approach option if they're just spamming projectiles and never engaging

[main rivet]

bro tbh you legit can’t punish samurai jack like it’s impossible

[candid thunder]

Jack is one of the most whiff heavy characters in the game, unfortunately
This is just a skill issue

Jack is specifically bad at being a rush down/aggressive character BECAUSE of his whiff

He mostly relies on whiff punishing

[carmine quartz]

Bruh… bad matchup against himself?
For me the easiest matchup is Iron Giant no joke. IG can’t do nothing against Jack.

[late falcon]

At least for me if I'm playing against other jacks they seem more difficult than most opponents

[cursive moat]

I've been playing Jack for so long that I've nearly forgotten how to play Finn. 😭

[late falcon]

Good

[cursive moat]

Wrong. :V

[late falcon]

The less finns in the world the better

[elder grove]

pfg please test your characters jesus christ I'm so sick of playing vs this braindead janky mess of a character bruh every single one of you is as carried as every joker player x100 and i guarantee not a single one of you even watched samurai jack you high tier meatriding neanderthals

[edgy ledge]

I watched Samurai Jack...what did Jack even do tho...

[tough axle]

Get

Good

Hes not op and its because of special ppl like you that he'll prob get gutted

Taking all the fun out of him

So stupid

[candid thunder]

MVS gotta have a top 3 worst community of all time honestly

This community is worse than me

That really says something

[late falcon]

Person loses to a spammer bc of skill issue and bc they don't know the matchup yet
"It's the game's fault ! This character is broken !"

[late falcon]

FR

[candid thunder]

This game almost has a community as bad as the AOT community and those mfs sent death threats to a voice actor over their character killing someone in an already dark show

[late falcon]

I literally quit for a long time BECAUSE of the community, I just came back for smith

[tough axle]

Deadass

[late falcon]

At least on the game itself I haven't seen many taunt/tbag spammers so far

[tough axle]

This community will be the death of the game themselves eventually, all these problems that the game has can be fixed but u cant fix these losers that complain and complain

[late falcon]

Tbh the only saving this community could have is if they added woody woodpecker and the community became like 90% brazillians

[tough axle]

I'd take anything over the current community

[late falcon]

I'd prefer tryhards over spammers FR

[candid thunder]

Add Goku to fix the game fr

[wispy palm]

He is very fun to play, and terrible to fight 💀

[late falcon]

Goku and woody, make the full community latin american lol

[late falcon]

Better than fighting against a banana guard or a shaggy tbh

[wispy palm]

meh I guess

he is very fun though

top 5 best characters

[stable badger]

anyone got some combos you can use to end in a special nair

[candid thunder]

On a tier list? Not a chance.

[candid thunder]

Jack isn't much of a combo character, you're more reliant on strong reads

[digital crow]

I definitely think like Smith people need to learn how to adapt to Jack cause Jack isn't as crazy as people think. And I'm saying this as someone who is probably in a losing match up against him with my main

[late falcon]

As a smith player myself, it's more based on the player than jack itself

It can either be easy AF or a nightmare

[digital crow]

That is also 100 percent true

[candid thunder]

Who's your main?

[digital crow]

I play Steven

[candid thunder]

Idk tbh I've only fought one Steven as Jack and it was agonizing

Those shields have WAYY too much priority

Even my disjointed ass air down b doesn't get passed it

[digital crow]

Some of your hit boxes actually hit past my shield

[candid thunder]

Crazy talk

[carmine quartz]

I own Samurai Jack on dvd, have Samurai Jack POPS, and have Samurai Jack inspired drawings from well over a decade ago…

I’m one of the biggest Samurai Jack fans in this entire server.
Leave Jack alone ⚔️

[late falcon]

I've only seen like 10 episodes but the show is fire, pure art

[carmine quartz]

Exactly. Pure Art. Different than other shows. Very expressive without being obnoxious.
Also has great audio and music to match the visuals.
Just hearing his wooden sandals hit the ground as he runs

[tough axle]

SHING SHING SLASH SLASH

🗡

[twin ledge]

crazy how there isn't a ringout that has the "WACHAAA"

[digital crow]

I hope if he has a stage it plays the Samurai Jack Theme

[tough axle]

He will have a stage

[leaden sedge]

imma try 5%

some pros went with it so why not

[tough axle]

5% is a good all rounder for every char tbf

[carmine quartz]

SWING SWACK SWOOP SWACK ATTACK ON DA BAAACK JAAAAACK

[royal shadow]

I still can't believe people want Jack nerfs because of Side B.

If anything, PFG needs to buff the rest of the cast

[carmine quartz]

Exactly.
And I’ll keep saying it.

If they addressed hurtboxs and hitboxes appropriately it would nerf and buff where needed to the whole cast.

[digital crow]

I feel like besides that some characters need some changes

[royal shadow]

Jason, Garnet, and Marvin especially needs buffs

Superman also

Jack can consistently kill Marvin off the side at 50%

Dude needs a weight buff

And just... fix all the glitches

[digital crow]

I also feel like Steven needs to get some buffs cause compared to the rest of the tanks steven basically has no armor and isn't really heavy enough to live like the rest of them

[carmine quartz]

I think Jason needs armor at least on one attack/special. He don’t feel like a Tank to me at all.
At least other tanks have armor.
And his grey health is mediocre

As long as they fix hitboxes and hurtboxes I’m fine with whatever

Jack basically only kills at side blastzone with Side B.

So if they nerf side b what will kill move be?

[digital crow]

Neutral Attack

[carmine quartz]

Neutral attack can’t kill unless fully charged

And fully charged moves should kill. At least stationary ones. It’s your fault for getting hit

And Captain Planet would be awesome in MVS hahaha

[maiden heron]

Always funny to me how we don't know his true name.🤭

[carmine quartz]

Samurai Jacks?

Yeah

[maiden heron]

Lol yeah just got it off of 3 guys I think he just sees his name as a title since they were parsing him.

[leaden sedge]

yes let me play the tank who has a cooldown for his armor and needs to sacrifice health for it

i get it that it makes his attacks a lot stronger but still he needs some armor normally

superman has a LOT of armored moves

[digital crow]

Or Play a tank that doesn't have any at all

[leaden sedge]

indeed

and for anyone saying that jason has extreme killpower

that applies to superman as well

[digital crow]

Like I understand why steven doesn't but I feel like he has a move that could use armor cause it's kinda his main combo tool

[leaden sedge]

steven is more of a support character than a tank tbh

never seen him as a tank

[digital crow]

I understand why he's a tank, he has his sheilds and then the bubble shield

[leaden sedge]

that s true

[digital crow]

And sure he can heal but it's kinda pitiful

[leaden sedge]

well i would use shadow step but u know his counter DOESNT WORK

[buoyant anchor]

he used to be a support char before the class was taken out of the game

same with reindog

you can still kinda see what chars are meant to work with a partner tho

can someone tell me if this is escapable?

if you have rage mode, and you do jab1-jab2-side special, the opponent could dodge the first hit of side special, but they'd be instantly caught by the second

can they escape if they dodge up or parry?

if not that might be a good confirm to avoid wasting the rage

[empty spruce]

Wow wtf nerf Jack lol he has no punishable moves at all

[leaden sedge]

i think they cant dodge

unsure though

[buoyant anchor]

his side special is punishable but the game doesn't do any favors in regards to making it clear where he's gonna hit

[empty spruce]

Still most of his moves are super fast and unpunishable

I mean

[buoyant anchor]

ye

[empty spruce]

For a New character

[buoyant anchor]

that's a problem with a few chars

[empty spruce]

He is thr most balanced so far

From the new ones

[leaden sedge]

finn be like

[empty spruce]

Lol true

This game is a joke

And they go and nerf Jason 😂

[tough axle]

Nerf jack guys nerf jack

Im a braindead loser

Quick

Nerf him

Put a 20 second cooldown on his side special

[digital crow]

I definitely can play around his side speical you just keep your distance and poke at him after he does it

And like you need to play around him missing

[leaden sedge]

too quikc!!

[tough axle]

Ur right

40 seconds

Actually make it so that he can only use it once per match

And you have to pay gleamium to buy uses

[primal ermine]

I love how the newcomers doesn't really use cool down anymore

[mighty fable]

I watched all 5 seasons, and ur opinion is genuine garbage

[primal ermine]

Is people always this annoying when it comes to new characters?

[tough axle]

Cooldown boooooo

[tough axle]

Yes

They did it with my beloved smith

So stupid

And smith is possibly the most balanced char in the game

Maybe a bit underpowered in some ways but yeah

And they all claimed he was broken

Actually ridiculous

[leaden sedge]

but luckly

he didnt get touched that much didnt he

only thing is that i cant do my beloved loop anymore

[primal ermine]

I wish people will at least wait for a bit before saying neaf him

Lika a month or something

He is too new rn

[shell laurel]

It's because a lot of MVS players are literal children with a lack of fundamental knowledge when it comes to fighting games. They expect every new character to be some kind of training dummy and refuse to adapt to any of the new tools that those characters bring to the table. Jack's side special literally draws a straight line and has an audio cue for when it's about to go off, yet people still complain about it. They will walk into a glass door and cry for it to be removed instead of actually acknowledging the fact that they were stupid enough to walk into it in the first place.

[leaden sedge]

dont show them what fighterz is.

[primal ermine]

As a Smash player, it reminds me of Sephs up b!

[shell laurel]

I don't have to because their allowances can't afford them a $5 game.

[leaden sedge]

lmao

[primal ermine]

Seriously though it's not that hard to dodge, you're right about that. But still, adding cooldown to jack would be so dumb

[shell laurel]

It's annoying because I feel a lot of the recent, unnecessary nerfs have been the result of PFG being tired parents, trying to quiet down the screaming, crying babies. Problem is, you're never going to truly quiet them down until they grow the hell up.

[mighty fable]

It’s amazing to me that top tiers like joker can get 70 or a kill off 1 jab, meanwhile the low tiers are still getting nerfs

[pastel rose]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.
We are in the era of manbaby gamers.

Void posted a video yesterday addressing the community toxicity and he is 100% right.

[shell laurel]

With everyone going 'nerf this' and 'nerf that / remove this' eventually you're going to have a boring game where no one has any cool options.

[pastel rose]

We need to be as vocal about this as the people crying out for nerfs. PFG does listen, but the majority of things they're hearing right now is nerfs are needed across the roster

[primal ermine]

They need to understand that yes, there will be better characters, but you can also learn how to counter them. Not anything needs an nerf

[leaden sedge]

yea

[shell laurel]

Like, I've seen devs voice their opinions on how they feel about all of this complaining. I was doing duos with NAKAT last night and we had one of them speaking in chat. It's really depressing how much the community's lack of sympathy affects them.

[primal ermine]

Are they okay?

[shell laurel]

I mean yeah, they're fine. The rampant complaining just makes them feel terrible.

But these people need to stop, full stop.

[primal ermine]

I wish that they could just understand that they're only human.

[mighty fable]

It’s amazing that a game that is completely free, is one that has people complaining the most

[primal ermine]

They're doing the best they can.

[pastel rose]

That's why people are complaining. Free attracts a weird type of crowd..
people incredibly entitled. People that tell you to 'stop defending a multi billion dollar company'

But every single community that does this is rampant with toxicity

[tough axle]

I love this description yes I agree

[leaden sedge]

it was notable with tony's absent eyes

[tough axle]

So sad tbh, it makes me angry cause they dont deserve it at all, they're some of the greatest devs out there and no thats not a hot take. How many other devs listen to players like pfg does? How many other devs give out skins, currency and cosmetics like candy? And yet people still complain, its disgusting

[primal ermine]

They're not a multi billion dollar company, they're a small impressive team, and Warner didn't even own them then!

People need to understand that they're human beings and not robots that are just....fixing stuff

[leaden sedge]

they should more of listen to their positivity

[tough axle]

The thing is I feel like they cant rly see the positivity that some of us bring and the appreciation for them, solely because of how much negativity drowns it out

[leaden sedge]

yeah

we gotta bring the positivity!

[primal ermine]

Why can't I defend people who actually works on the game? I'm not defending warner at all, that's so annoying

[pastel rose]

I'm surprised at the discussion going on now. We gotta make an effort to bring that attitude to the general public. Otherwise Void is right and the entire game is going to play like crap.

At this rate I gurantee incoming fan favourite characters like Marceline are going to get MEGA nerfed without even knowing their gameplay.

[tough axle]

Nah wdym bro stop glazing stop man thats too much ur defending greed ☝️🤓

[leaden sedge]

me too

[tough axle]

I try to as much as I can, im always in general 1 and 2 just replying to any losers and stuff and tryna talk some sense into people but its pretty overwhelming

[leaden sedge]

and this is a great sign

i think we should also post more yt videos in general

appreciating the game

[primal ermine]

Also very toxic

[tough axle]

Idc tbh fight fire with fire yk

Or maybe not

[primal ermine]

I hate being in there

[tough axle]

U just cant reason with them thats why

They dont listen to reason

Its like slamming ur head against a wall repeatedly

[mighty fable]

It’s much easier to complain than it is to point out what’s right

That’s the thing for lots of people

Rather than improve yourself, they complain and make things worse

[primal ermine]

And given this is a free game

It's a lot worse

[leaden sedge]

nah bro we gotta try it hard

positivity against toxicity

[pastel rose]

Combo clips and general basic info as well should be pumped out more.

I'm surprised that a VAST majority of people still don't know how to DI. I've seen some people calling out character infinities but when I watch their clip there's so many frames where they could've DI'd.

[leaden sedge]

i know

[leaden sedge]

i have seen videos of people complaining about season 2 updates

i could start again doing videos but for mvs this time

[mighty fable]

We should organize a thank you event for the devs

Cuz they really are great

[primal ermine]

Not the best at dodging (im used to Smash), but I'm having fun with the game

[leaden sedge]

indeed

[leaden sedge]

thank u all for giving me the idea tho

i gotta think about it if i have the time

[somber prairie]

Finally, someone who gets how I feel

[visual bolt]

Peak spoke its name.

[candid thunder]

I dont think Superman needs buffs tbh

He's really cheesy and can kill you insanely early by playing like a rat

He also has a loop that can get Jack to like 60

[whole fractal]

Bro said buff superman

Get out of here

And a Marvin buff wtf???

Gotta be bait

[cinder hawk]

whats yalls favorite flavor of crayon

[candid thunder]

Somebody lost to someone spamming an easily predicted, low kill power move 🫵😂

[cinder hawk]

its impossible to lose to it i just think its hilarious no one does anything different or ever thinks

[candid thunder]

What rank are you?

Dodges the question, clearly lower than gold

[pastel rose]

It's just bait to get you to look at his dead YT channel

[cinder hawk]

lmao

[pastel rose]

gottem xd

[cinder hawk]

no its not its bait to get you guys to cry about your character not being op

[candid thunder]

Erm trolling is against the rules pal I'm gonna have to call the moderators

You're literally breaking the rules right now and I'm calling the moderators aaaaand you're getting banned

[mighty fable]

Nobody wants an op character

Jack is perfectly fine and we’re happy with it

[candid thunder]

Joker mains do

[mighty fable]

Nobody (who is mentally sane) wants an op character

[candid thunder]

Nobody actually likes playing Joker because his kit is fun or interesting
They play him because he's braindead and top 3

[lean zinc]

PFG, rip the balls off the jonkler

[mighty fable]

It’s amazing they keep Joker top 3 and keep nerfing perfectly balanced characters

[candid thunder]

Slightly nerf Joker to the point that if we did nothing it would be the exact same, ignore Finn, buff Morty, nerf Jason 🗣️

[lean zinc]

Do you think PFG will just continue to nerf Jason because they think we need to have a "Ganondorf" in this game?

[pastel rose]

y'all tryna make Joker drop the hard R. He gonna be a Joke instead without his 0td, frame data, jab reach, easy combos, superior dodge 😔

[stray mauve]

they gotta kill the Joker

[cinder hawk]

??????

[candid thunder]

The joke is Joker mains are hard carried

[pastel rose]

stop stalkin me, i'm sorry i called your YT channel dead. Lets get over it and become friends

[cinder hawk]

lmao no

[pastel rose]

dead channel 😔

[candid thunder]

You're not gonna be friends with him?

You're a mean man.

[cinder hawk]

this game got the weirdest mfs

[pastel rose]

Social skills issue

[cinder hawk]

"yall tryna make joker drop the hard R"

ok buddy

[mighty fable]

Shut ur face

[pastel rose]

gottem again

mans obsessed w me.

won't bring back your YT channel though. Sorry...

[cinder hawk]

do u think the only reason i talk in discords is so that people watch my youtube videos

good god shut up

[candid thunder]

That's clearly the only reason

[visual bolt]

And my point was proven right as I just got sent death threats in general for playing Jack a few minutes ago LOL

I can't play a character having a rich respect for them and their franchise because people assume it's character viability (what little of it Jack even has in the meta LOL)

[leaden sedge]

bruh

[cinder hawk]

damn i was hoping to get a few for playing iron giant

gg

[visual bolt]

On the bright side at least I finally made it to the Gold Tier.

I'll try and push for all the other tiers as well albeit it'll be quite tough

If things don't work out I'm content with Gold-plated Jack

[pastel rose]

if you're on sometime during the weekend I could lab a few with ya. Try to get you up to plat. I was just there but the server desync issue's dropped me from Plat 4 to Gold 1

I got naive thinking it was just a game or 2 then my connection would go back to normal.

Happened every time multiple times per game 12+ games in a row

[late falcon]

Ok I'm starting to have issues with jack

This character's ledge guard is annoying AF, and he can carry you to the ledge pretty easily

[pastel rose]

Who you playin?

Jack himself can have pretty bad recovery if you're good at parrying side b or aerial down b

[late falcon]

Smith

Also, jack doesn't need to jump off

He can just cover both going low, going mid and going high

While still on the ground

[pastel rose]

Damn, I don't got any hours in Smith.

I actually haven't found Smiths to be that difficult it I'm being honest.

My personal tricky matchups are Arya and Joker.

[leaden sedge]

i am plat 3 samurai

u can do it

[visual bolt]

YEAH appreciate the motivation

[late falcon]

Smith has NO RANGE and has to compete with that long ass range jab that's as fast if not faster than his

[pastel rose]

that's super funny he has no range considering he has a pistol 😳 I'd expect PFG to have given him at least a larger hitbox or something...

[late falcon]

So basically what happens is you get jabbed like once, thrown near the ledge, then ledge trapped until jack can kill you, and even if you come back jack just to get jabbed again

[deft scroll]

Swear I always get bad teammates. I just lost to a velma..

[pastel rose]

A melee gun is like ???
I get they're going for gun-fu with how often they said it in the live stream but damn if that ain't the shortest range pistol in a game I've ever seen

[late falcon]

Yeah, but it's a fun fighting style at least

If it was the terminator with a shotgun it'd make more sense

[visual bolt]

It almost reminds me more-so of a Fortnite shotgun than an actual pistol lol

[late falcon]

Even stripe's small ass gun can hit anywhere on stage 💀

[mighty fable]

Stripe don’t care

[pastel rose]

For this, you gotta do everything you can to pop jack in the air.

From there he has only a few options you gotta look out for

-Down Air Special. Fast, deceptively LARGE hitbox. But since it's a special he can only use it twice in the air. Bait it out and punish.

-Neutral Air. Actually has a pretty mid startup frame.

-Side special. Has less endlag in the air but you gotta get used to parrying this one to maximize a punish.

I like to get Jack in the ground because jab range is both fast, long hitbox, and the hitbox is also wrong as it extends a little past his foot.

Against Jack you pretty much have to give him no breathing room since almost all his moves have bad startup.

somehow canmt edit my message lol says it has content blocked by the server.

Meant to say you want to get Jack in the air instead of keeping him on the ground

[late falcon]

-For down air special he can use up B to just hit me or just side B upwards

-neutral air is SLOW after the nerfs, I always get hit by side B if I try to use it

-side special sometimes work but they get used to it pretty fast and start to read it

[late falcon]

(that's just for the ledge BTW)

On the ground everything is too slow or flimsy besides like aerial down special and that runs out of ammo pretty quickly, leaving me vulnerable in the air with only one bullet, ready to be catched on the ground by a un-dodgeable jab

[swift wyvern]

Jacks down special has been good playing defensively

For me

[visual bolt]

I love his down Special

I use it in tandem with his Side special sometimes

[pastel rose]

That might be a big issue with Smith. The entire time I've fought him I've never felt that he had any quick moves or good punish...

[visual bolt]

Yeah that's because he never did
And as of the recent update he's unfortunately even worse

[pastel rose]

His strength seemed to be in his strong multi jab? But I think they nerfed it

[visual bolt]

He was a super balanced character upon release but for some reason people complained the only thing he was good at was too good

Void does a better job explaining it than I am but basically the community's voicing on the balancing isn't exactly the best and it's even worse when they're toxic towards people who play characters they don't like

It's so crazy that now there's an Evil Morty voiceline in-game making fun of those people LOL

[tight garden]

a small ass toy gun has more range than a pistol

[visual bolt]

And recently one of the developers were harrassed off the internet for it as well which is unfortunate

[pastel rose]

I saw the video too and I 100% agree with Void. The way the game is now isn't soley the fault of PFG (some things are) but a LOT of these balance changes were because of our community.

[late falcon]

A desert eagle mind you

[deft scroll]

I think down tilt might be his worst move, I can never get it to land properly

[pastel rose]

People say PFG doesn't listen but they do. The problem is they listen TOO MUCH to the casual playerbase. The people who call for nerfs across the roster.

The entire OG beta cast has a fraction of the fun moves they used to have during beta. Although you could say that's because of the slow gameplay... the gameplay itself was slowed down to appeal the the casual scene with lower APM..

PFG doesn't know the direction they want to go.

[pastel rose]

the air one where he stabs downwards?

[deft scroll]

Yup. I always hit it when a enemy is below and it hits forward so it never lands.

[pastel rose]

Just gotta remember the hitbox is slightly ➡️⬇️ of Jack. It's actually a super good spiking tool because it has a sweetspot right at the tip

[deft scroll]

I do use it to spike. I think I should just start using down special to hit people instead

[pastel rose]

Are you on KB or controller?

aerial down tilt is most effective when they're clinging to the stage ledge

[deft scroll]

Controller

[pastel rose]

ah mb, I was gonna say you should bind down special to a key but idk how it works on controllers

[crimson rapids]

I hate fighting arya, like my god

[candid thunder]

All the swordies actually might just have winning MUs against Jack

He's like the only sword character with whiff frames

[crimson rapids]

I've said it before, these newer characters are designed very differently from the beta cast, which causes the newer guys to be too honest in a game full of cheater characters

#clips message

like this
this hit me lol

[tight garden]

so basically their actual well designed characters compared to beta characters(other than joker)

[crimson rapids]

joker was probably off the very tail end of beta

so he doesn't quite count

but yeah, everyone else is well designed, and non of the beta cast really changed to fit that

which sucks cus all the well designed characters are fun to play
jason, jack, smith, all fun to play as

[tight garden]

I think I vaguely remember joker getting leaked back in beta so yea

[crimson rapids]

yeah, like, was going to be revealed at game awards leak
so hes very much technically a beta character in my eyes lol

[visual bolt]

General sucks

I can't talk there without people harrassing me for who I main

[late falcon]

IK how it is, I used to main black Adam

[candid thunder]

Yes because Joker is so honest and fair

[visual bolt]

Joker is an exception he was very clearly designed in the beta and you can tell LOL

He's super swifty which is actually pretty cool but, he doesn't feel a refined and polished as say characters like Jason, Smith and Jack do

ANd it's only gonna get better with Beetlejuice

[crimson rapids]

yeah like I said, Joker very clearly has the beta design philosophy, and of course is DC so dev bias

[late falcon]

I just wish they added woody woodpecker

[visual bolt]

HAHAH YEAH THE DC BIAS

[visual bolt]

Honestly that's such a really out there choice which I appreciate as a fan of the character myself

[crimson rapids]

I've been watching tons of classic cartoons on TV recently, theres just something I don't like about Woody as a character
not to say I wouldn't want him in MVS, I'll take plently of classic reps, but as a character I dunno, something about him rubs me the wrong way

[late falcon]

Well, he WAS voiced by mel blanc

[crimson rapids]

Mel Blanc the goat

[late falcon]

Understandable, I think the Brazilian dub made him way better

[visual bolt]

I love Mel Blanc with every fiber of my being

[crimson rapids]

you ever hear the story when blanc was injured and wasn't waking up
the doctors tried asked him things as if addressing his characters
and bugs bunny was the one that eventually responded
insane stuff

[visual bolt]

That's fantastic honestly

[pastel rose]

whats up doc

[late falcon]

He's really the goat of american dubs

[visual bolt]

Him and Daws Butler are my favorite celebrities

(Daws Butler was the Huckleberry Hound and Yogi Bear guy from until the 90's)

[late falcon]

Like, here woody seems to have that "perfectly annoying but entertaining" voice

Like, look at his delivery here:
https://youtu.be/PPCvgnmQfm4?si=XXKqJDc3unt_V2G8

[crimson rapids]

I think the problem I had with woody wasn't really the voice, it was his actions in the cartoons
he definitely got to bully people and get away with it, not in every cartoon of course but in a lot of them I kinda noticed, compared to bugs bunny in classic shorts I guess?
either way, Woody is a classic cartoon icon and would fit very well in the MVS cast I'd say

[late falcon]

Yeah he was very mischievous

But from what I've seem from bugs he's almost as evil, the difference is that woody doesn't need to be provoked sometimes

Either way, if they add him I'm defending this game with swords and teeth flashing

And so is the entirety of brazil

[crimson rapids]

I'd love to see what kinda dialogue they'd come up for with bugs vs woody, like those newer lines from bugs talking to T&J as sorta friendly rivals

[late falcon]

Would be funny if they said something about their voices being familiar

[wet widget]

why do all of you just side spam

you have such a cool moveset

and the only thing any of you do is this

[wraith imp]

just bait it

not hard

[wet widget]

that doesn't mean its not annoying

like learn a combo

[lean zinc]

Radda radda. Radda radda radda radda.

[late falcon]

Bro, you can't say that, you don't have the pass 😧

[lean zinc]

Damn my fault

[pastel rose]

How are the servers doing rn? Any Jacks disconnecting?

[deft scroll]

Honestly... I think jack is b tier. He just kinda sucks. Easy to bait, slow, has very little range and his worst matchup is himself. That's saying a lot. I have no idea what people are talking about

He's still fun to play. I won't stop

[late falcon]

I kinda agree, but I'm traumatized bc he's one of smith's worst matchups, maybe top of B to A tier

[deft scroll]

Every character has bad matchups. Me as a Jason and superman I'm terrified of ever seeing Marvin or bugs. And yeah, I think he's top b

[late falcon]

TBH marvin is way stronger than people give him credit for

[deft scroll]

Agreed. Triple dair is insane too. I think he's easily top a

[candid thunder]

His worst matchup is not himself. You got skill diffed.

[late falcon]

Air side special is basically unavoidable, his ground normals are fast AF, basically impossible to avoid projectile and overall annoying movement

[deft scroll]

Well yeah. Not really. It's a 50/50, I just won a game against a pretty good jack but his worst matchup is indeed himself. That's just my opinion tho.

[late falcon]

I agree

[deft scroll]

Agreed. I feel like I'm playing Undertale whenever I fight one because it's a genuine bullet hell

[late falcon]

Wouldn't say his WORST matchup but yeah it's definitely hard to play against another jack

[visual bolt]

I'll answer that question with another question
Why do people assume that ALL Jack players do this?

[wet widget]

all the ones ive seen in comp do this

[visual bolt]

I think an equally good move is his Aerial Down Special, it's super fast and it applies Weakened

[wet widget]

this is a very common thing that happens

[pastel rose]

Same with Shaggy and Banana. PFG put a strong side special on Jack and a lot of players are unable to dodge horizontal moves

[visual bolt]

I'd argue it's almost better because it doesn't have the long windup window and the knock back on it is kinda funny

[wet widget]

it doesnt matter if the other thing is better or not. its still something easily spamable and abused by a lot of jack players

[pastel rose]

There's also a reason why PFG didn't put cooldowns on either Shaggy or BGs side special.

Won't happen to Jack either

[visual bolt]

Because they're quite exploitable if spammed, they're very predictable moves

[wet widget]

then why won't jack players learn to actually use his kit then

i get that theres a way around

it

[pastel rose]

exactly, easy to parry

[wet widget]

that does not make it fun to jsut repeat the same moves cause my opponent doesnt want to combo or do anything interesting

and sometimes my teamate in 2s might not know this

depending on luck

[pastel rose]

What rank are you in? Spamming moves seem to be the staple in lower ranks since higher up people know how to whiff punish and parry

[wet widget]

low silver, started not that long ago

[pastel rose]

Once you get out there's a lot less spamming

[wet widget]

hope so

[pastel rose]

It's more of a mind game though. People will still spam moves if their opponent doesn't dodge

[visual bolt]

Jack naturally doesn't really have an excessively good combo game, but that's because he's not an assassin swordie like Finn or Arya. He's built different so to speak, kind of this calm and collected character with a more mindgame-y fighting style that almost feels lifted right from the show.

[late falcon]

Unless he's fighting someone like smith lol

But yeah he's more of a counter player

[pastel rose]

I was rewatching Jack vs The Daughters the other night. I definitely agree his kit feels lifted from the show

[visual bolt]

Great choice by the way definitely a high tier episode in the series at least to me lol

[candid thunder]

Yeah that's the issue
Spammers overrun the bottom tiers because they suck and good players make lightwork of them

[pastel rose]

that and the bounty hunters are my top 😊

[carmine quartz]

Guys. What else kills on side other than side b?

[pastel rose]

air down special

and grab

[carmine quartz]

Ok true. I just feel like if they nerf side b he’s gonna struggle on kill power on sides

[wraith imp]

down special in general

down special with rivers flurry is so good

[pastel rose]

Is jab 1, 2 > grounded down special true with rivers flurry?

[mighty fable]

Yes

[pastel rose]

is it just a tap or do you have to press and hold at full focus?

[mighty fable]

Tap

[pastel rose]

you don't need full focus for it?

[carmine quartz]

I’ve seen both sides of yes or no so this may or may not be true

[pastel rose]

me too so I was wondering if there's hidden factor behind it

[wraith imp]

sometimes

[crimson rapids]

I just saw another "Samurai Jack is BROKEN" video in my recommended

[wraith imp]

not on small characters

[wraith imp]

HAHAHAHA

[carmine quartz]

It may be percent specific

[carmine quartz]

Same lol

[pastel rose]

Size makes sense I was able to loop a Jason with it but I couldn't do it on Arya

[visual bolt]

I'm not sure if there are very few people playing Ranked 2v2s but

I came across this same Hollywood Bugs and Shagworthy combo thrice in a row on separate matches

And they're very frustrating lol

[carmine quartz]

Bugs is as annoying as he is to his victims in the cartoons lol

[visual bolt]

Shaggy kept throwing sandwiches except it wasn't to harm us

It was to heal every bit of damage we did to Bugs

And Everytime we tried to prevent that and go for Shaggy instead, Shaggy did what Shaggy always does

B > B > B

It was an obnoxious team

[carmine quartz]

Exactly. Jack is fin with side b

Every character has something that people find frustrating

[visual bolt]

Well this may or may not be the first time I actually drop a rank

Hasn't happened before and it hasn't happened yet but I'm in Gold 4 and it's another Morty

Okay I won oh good lord

[carmine quartz]

Bro Morty is goood idk what people talk. About

[visual bolt]

Morties tend to play chicken

They cower behind with dirt wall and bombs while their partner fights and it's by far the most frustrating thing

And they do that thing where they t bag crouch each and every time they win

[leaden sedge]

nop

[carmine quartz]

Bro i swear I daired this BG 3 times at 145 they didn’t die. Yeah horizontal kill power isn’t a lot as well as bounce ground

[leaden sedge]

not true, but u can mix up ur opponents

and most of the time they wont dodge too

[visual bolt]

When I win one match I lose three and my progress gets reset

[leaden sedge]

he has small kill power

[carmine quartz]

Funny enough… he kills better from up top. But NOBODY is complaining about that. Just side b

[leaden sedge]

yes cuz of his natural special up frame trap and rage

[candid thunder]

A fully charged sair has okay kill power, dash attack is one of his strongest kill moves, down b (air and ground) are solid (with rivers flow, jab jab down b is true), and grab is one of his best kill moves

[wraith imp]

he has a lot of kill moves

also up b

[candid thunder]

Yeah but they don't kill insanely early unless you take a big risk like going off stage for a grab

[leaden sedge]

indeed

[carmine quartz]

Totally agree

[carmine quartz]

Ooooo

[leaden sedge]

i entered the #100

less gooo

[carmine quartz]

Bro I’m trying to reach it but so hard

Taz and Finns man…

So annoying

Why can’t you hit Taz when he’s in a tornado?

Yup another Finn…

[leaden sedge]

same question

[carmine quartz]

Wowwwww I managed to take a quick stock on this Finn and he self destruct lol geez

[carmine quartz]

Super annoying as I time the hit

But I still get hit

Another Taz! I’m playing Finn and Taz back to back!!!

The other day it was Tom n Jerry

[leaden sedge]

bruhh

i feel bad for u

i am doing 2v2s

[carmine quartz]

Dang

I lost. Stupid cloud is so big

[digital crow]

I've gotten the "stop defending them" when I brought up points about PFG not being thaf large of a studio

[carmine quartz]

I learned though how to beat Taz. You gotta pressure them before they can spin. And be patient afterwards

[carmine quartz]

I see that often too. It’s so dumb

[leaden sedge]

nice

[digital crow]

He really does some times I thought I was going to live but up air is nasty tool

[whole fractal]

+compatible devs

Lol

Really had ppl crying jack In a BP for instance

[digital crow]

I definitely do think that this season is a big change that was super successful, hell I feel like as Morty I don't need to camp around dirt as much anymore *even though I only used it for grenades or reading an approach option as like a wall(

I definitely feel like instead of nerfing characters give some of the weaker characters buffs

[carmine quartz]

Same! This is a REALLY good update. It just get drowned out by negativity. But I’m glad to see players actually point out all the good things. Instead all complaining

[digital crow]

Like my main boi steven didn't get a crazy buff but dash attack is actually quite a good tool for being like an anti air and killing so it hitting more reliable helps in that regard

[leaden sedge]

as we said earlier, we gotta make our positivity more vocal

the devs are stressed as one guy said

[carmine quartz]

Right, like characters that needed buffs actually did. There was just some questionable nerfs and buffs. Every time I get WW they just spam whip now

[carmine quartz]

I’m trying

[digital crow]

TBH I think the change the made to where it doesn't have a cool down anymore but takes longer for you to be able to use it again made more sense

They just need to tweak it a bit more

There are definitely some nerfs that are questionable

[leaden sedge]

yea

[pastel rose]

Back to plat babyyy

[leaden sedge]

i see it a bit less toxic soo

[digital crow]

But I definitely don't think this patch was bad it's been one of the better patches

[leaden sedge]

welcome back ( until i hit diamon- )

[digital crow]

Now do I think this patch is perfect no. But it's not as bad as people are making it out to be, like Jack's fun really readable

[pastel rose]

Lets meet at the top brother 😎

[leaden sedge]

yes

[digital crow]

I've been kinda hard stuck at silver 5

[candid thunder]

I've been hardstuck plat 5

[carmine quartz]

I haven’t lost to a single IG this update. But TnJ, Finn, my biggest weakness

I even can beat Black Adam and Jokers consistently if I think

[leaden sedge]

yeah they re top tiers

[visual bolt]

I'm at Gold III, about to reach Gold II.

[carmine quartz]

I used to think differently but now at least with current stats, Finn and Tom n Jerry are top 5 for me

[leaden sedge]

yeah same

they do so much damage

also i just hit diamond!!

[visual bolt]

Cool beans!

[pastel rose]

zypten do you hyper jump

I've just learned to do it on jack

[candid thunder]

Wdym

[pastel rose]

look up void's recent video

I think we should call it Void Hopping

[carmine quartz]

Dude I’m gonna hop and see where I’m at, NICE!! 👏🏽

[carmine quartz]

I say V-Dash or VoidDash sounds cool

[leaden sedge]

yeah i ll learn it on jack consistenly

i do it rarely but the times i did it it worked well

[pastel rose]

guys

this is history being made

[leaden sedge]

true

this is our beta movement

[carmine quartz]

So how to do it exactly? You just dodge right or left, just above the ground?

[leaden sedge]

we just had to discover it

[leaden sedge]

easiest one is dodge below and jump right after

but u can also do other directions if i am not mistaken

[carmine quartz]

Dodge below what?

[pastel rose]

dodge downward

With fastfall I think

[carmine quartz]

Oh gotcha

So they dodge instead of jump even though you input jump???

It looks cool I just don’t understand it. I was there during live stream too

[pastel rose]

I now feel like Void said that whole statement about toxicity just to get all eyes on him

Then drop this absolute BANGER

guys quick climb ranked now while people still don't know about it lol

[pastel rose]

I like Void Dash

Okay any historians looking at this it's called Void Dashing lol

What up, uh. Hope the year there is better than 2024 was.

[whole fractal]

Agreed, really made me hop back in alot more recently

[carmine quartz]

I honestly can’t stop playing Rank because the climb to 100 lol.
Last season I spent most my time playing Rifts. That’s important!!!

[carmine quartz]

I’m good with either one 👌🏽

[hybrid dock]

Best perks for Jack?

[rocky whale]

is it me or is Jack's jab absolutely cracked

it's huge and fast

[pastel rose]

I'm getting somewhat used to it

[candid thunder]

It's solid but I wouldn't say it's absolutely cracked when Jokers jab exists

[rocky whale]

jabs in general are very strong in this game

but idk

jacks just feels better than anyone else's

[digital crow]

I keep trying to get up to masters just so I did it but like

[rocky whale]

it's longer than some of his sword moves

[candid thunder]

River's Flurry/5% for signature, could also use Shadow Step as an approach against zoners but I'm personally too lazy to change perks every round for it
Snowball or press the advantage in slot 1 (I'd recommend snowball)
Last stand for perk 2
Pugilist for perk 3

[candid thunder]

Joker has a much bigger jab and gets much more out of it
Rick gets more out of his jab
Shaggy's jab is a kill confirm for his up b and starts his loop against Jack
Supermans jab gives him a loop
Batmans jab is an insane combo tool and a kill tool

[rocky whale]

I'm talking about it more as a neutral tool

it's really fast too

jacks can beat out your approaches with it so easily

[carmine quartz]

I’m making it a goal to say something positive in feedback each day.

Like something thoughtful

A legit thing not fake

[pastel rose]

I'll do the same

[carmine quartz]

I see little things, little details that are different from previous season and I’m taking note of it and saying it. That’s what I’m doing

Tip for Tom n Jerry matchup.
Immediately kill Jerry by angled Side b

[whole fractal]

I'm pretty positive Jack's down special getting toned down

Hitbox is huge

[carmine quartz]

Ariel down special goes far more below him than thought

[whole fractal]

Ikr lmao

[carmine quartz]

Tip, use it when opponents on wall

[whole fractal]

I feel like this is just the basic

Like it's so good for ledge trapping and chasing people near the edge

Really hard to guard againstit

[deft scroll]

Is it just me, or did the consensus on jack change in a day? Everybody pretty much agreed he was broken day 1, but when void made his video everybody just said he wasn't. I don't think he's broken personally, but I find it a little weird how people change their opinions so quickly like that because someone else said so.

[candid thunder]

The meat riding is crazy 😭🙏

[deft scroll]

Pretty much. I love void but I hate how everybody will instantly agree with everything he says and not think for themselves.

[cinder hawk]

he said he was pretty broken in the video no?

[candid thunder]

He said Jack was strong, not broken pretty sure

He said with everyone complaining, Jack just wont have anything cool

[visual bolt]

And he's right
Because that's exactly what's gonna happen in a few weeks

[candid thunder]

Devs need to stop listening to people in silver tbh

Jacks solid but he's not great at anything

[river minnow]

Huge hitboxes, multihit finishers, top 3 if not 1 of the best edge zoners, did i mention he can extend his already big hitbox, armor.
the character is broken. Takes little to no skill to use jack, i played him for 11 ish ranked matches going in blind (didnt know which moves did what) and still won majority of the matches.

[candid thunder]

Wow that's crazy you won against players in bronze?

That takes an unfathomable amount of skill

Those bronze players are no joke

[candid thunder]

Glazing so hard honestly

He doesn't have much for armor at ALL

He has like 2 armored attacks (his throw AFTER grabbing you and his grounded neutral b which NEEDS the armor to work as intended)

His hitboxes are outsized by a lot of the cast

His kill power isn't that crazy, it's more of a healthy kill power than being insanely weak or insanely strong and he's on the lighter side meaning poor survivability

[river minnow]

lol defend him with your life i guess delusion is a crazy thing, bronze or not they are still players who learned their characters.
some ppl who are "good" may just decide to play ranked and start bronze like everyone else, not saying that everyone i played was good (only 2-3) were but the character just carries the game for you just know what your opponent's moves are dodge and win, cant say the same about samurai jack.

[candid thunder]

If you're stuck in bronze you haven't learned your character

You get like 25 points per win in bronze

20 wins and you're in silver

This games ranked system also has a pity system of sorts, where you can't derank until gold (so if you play ranked enough, you're guaranteed to reach gold)

Samurai Jack has decent startup and is one of the only characters with actual whiff frames (window to be punished after missing an attack)

He's in a far better balancing state than most of the characters in this game, though he does struggle with quite a few match-ups (zoners especially)

[carmine quartz]

It’s because most people just want to complain to complain. Even Void said complaining is fun sometimes ha. Unfortunately following the crowd is an all too real psychological sociological issue. It’s up to people to stand up to help break fog, and that’s exactly what Void did. That’s being a leader not a follower

It’s something Samurai Jack would do 🫡

[digital crow]

Well eh at minimum you can reach silver cause you don't lose points until you hit silver 5

[candid thunder]

Fair enough

[digital crow]

I watched it yesterday. I definitely agree with some of his points

[candid thunder]

@carmine quartz gg

[carmine quartz]

@candid thunder yo I was trying to GG hah nice game bro

[candid thunder]

That was an awful game I got cooked

Wasn't even a close match

[carmine quartz]

Honestly if I didn’t turn that around you would’ve cooked me. Samurai Jack hot comeback power which is so cool

So cool to have faced you in the arena!!!

[digital crow]

I definitely want this game to last cause ehat game are you gonna see Samurai Jack fight Steven Universe, Jason Voorhees and Beetlejuice

They devs need more positivity

[tough axle]

Yeah the roster for me is amazing

Its like my dream roster come true

And we're gonna get more

I think it should last cause now they have a system

In the beta it was a jumbled up mess like they had early access then they had pre season and then they had s1 and 2 but the game was still like incomplete

Its much better now and I hope it does last

Cant wait for characters like daffy and marceline and whatever else we get

If we hit season 3 and maintain the current player amount then we should be good

But who knows

One can only hope

[digital crow]

Hell compared to last season I'm actually hype for every character cause I know them

I'm hype for Beetlejuice so much

[hybrid dock]

And more experienced employees

[carmine quartz]

All I know is, we gotta keep our cool and be reasonable when BeetleJuice drops.
We gotta say what we like before we say what we don’t. And then give suggestions on how to fix it

I am super excited for BeetleJuice and everything else this season. This time I want his welcome be different than Jacks

I can’t imagine how it would feel, getting bombarded with tons of Samurai Jack wishes that he join, and then when does, get hit by so much negativity

[prisma shadow]

Is there anyway to combo into down special? I feel like the start up of it is just too slow and it feels like I almost just have to throw it out sometimes to even use it

[carmine quartz]

Not that I know of. I doubt it. It’s a counter so it makes sense. Joker counter don’t make sense, he can jab 1 into his “counter”. Imagine if Jack could do that

[prisma shadow]

The counter is his neutral special though. I mean the down special - the multi slash

[carmine quartz]

Oh never mind. The multi slash isn’t a counter. With River Flurry it makes it easier to combo into it from jabs

[prisma shadow]

Even with River's Flurry I haven't been able to get it to work in training mode either. I can't seem to figure it out.

[viral smelt]

Side attack 1 2, then down special but don't charge it. Your opponent will dodge.

[leaden sedge]

it doesnt combo

but it s a mixup

[prisma shadow]

That's my problem, though. So often people just dodge away from it

[leaden sedge]

and most of the time someone wont di out

also you can mix up so when you do ur combo instead of down special you use side special and catch them off guard

[cursive moat]

How do ya'll feel about the inner focus thing.

Where you crouch for 2 gray health

[leaden sedge]

decent

almost never use it

but surely in 1s is better

[cursive moat]

I feel like it's kinda pointless even in 1v1's tbh

[leaden sedge]

( i ll have to grind in that competition too )

[leaden sedge]

yeah i get why

but it s the third of his passives

and not that bad even

[candid thunder]

Ground down special can be combo'd into with proper spacing from jab when using the rivers flurry perk
Jab > jab > down b is a true combo on larger characters if your spacing with jab is right

I dont actually know the spacing myself I just kinda do it

[candid thunder]

Yeah its about spacing, oddly it just never works in training but works really often in real matches

[leaden sedge]

yeah it s something regarding to that

and sometimes people just dont di out

[candid thunder]

The bot in training DIs in and it never works for some reason

[digital crow]

I definitely like Jack, I might pick him up as like a secondary behind Sbeven

[leaden sedge]

@candid thunder bro i just saw your discussion with the cooldown how do u manage to have such patience

[digital crow]

Cause I'm trying to figure out what Bruiser to use

[leaden sedge]

jack def supports a lot as a bruiser

more than smith too

[digital crow]

It's funny I don't really play the Basic Swordy Character like Marth and Lucina but there is something about Jack that speaks to me

[tough axle]

Samurai = cool come on now

Hes the goat

[leaden sedge]

true

[tough axle]

Man i hope they give jack a 50 second cooldown his side special too strong 🥵

[leaden sedge]

yeah too stronk

it s not like i never use it in games-

[digital crow]

Idk why but the skin with club I just call it Jamurai Sack

[leaden sedge]

gonna call it like that now

[digital crow]

Idk why I call it that I guess cause without his sword or robes he doesn't feel like a Samurai

[candid thunder]

Idk

[candid thunder]

Jacks one of those characters where you get the most benefit from utilizing his whole kit

Other characters in this game just rely on like 3 combos and 2 moves that kill insanely early

[leaden sedge]

true

i ofc use it but he has lots of options and mix ups so i go for em

[digital crow]

Yeah, Definitely

I'm still not 100 percent there with Jack

But he definitely needs to use his entire kit

[carmine quartz]

Bro that skin. That’s the almost died Samurai Jack skin. That skin is so dope

[digital crow]

I've only seen like the OG Samurai Jack and I haven't seen it for long at most like 4 5 episodes

[carmine quartz]

Yeah you should watch it again

[digital crow]

I have no way too

[leaden sedge]

if i wasnt saving for the next bp i would have bought it

but let s see if with the events i can still buy it

since it also has custom sounds which are satisfyng

[digital crow]

TBH I'm probably gonna either use the BP Skin or Classic Jack

[tough axle]

Yeah im always gonna leave 950 for the next bp

Even if I didnt get the first one for free I'd buy it and then just continuously save up for the next and next

Its worth it imo these battle passes have been great especially the current one

[digital crow]

Oh 100 percent especially since I'm actually gonna get a Steven Skin I wanted in my Top 3.

[candid thunder]

🏴‍☠️ARRRGHHH!!!

[leaden sedge]

yeah

and there s the legendary skin anyway

[digital crow]

With how they do the power pledge events now this is probably gonna be rhe first one I actually 100 percent complete

[tough axle]

^^^

[pastel rose]

I am hardstuck Plat 5 lol

[carmine quartz]

My win rate is getting better slowly, 59%

I’m learning matchups more and more with Samurai Jack.

Morty relies heavily on his dirt. Don’t let ‘em

[leaden sedge]

great job! continue going forward

i think i have the same winrate or something like that

[carmine quartz]

I lost 3 times after that but got back lol

[leaden sedge]

nice

[carmine quartz]

I feel like Jack doesn’t have kill confirm combos

I haven’t found it yet

He doesn’t have a strong kill confirm at least

Gotta read

[leaden sedge]

the only combo as a kill confirm is neutral special and up special and up air

or bring ur opponent off the stage with side air, use your side special focused

[carmine quartz]

I agree

[leaden sedge]

if the enemy doesnt dodge often and u get it right, jab jab down special

an ez kill confirm ( which i have to test in lab ) is jab jab neutral special and neutral special air

[pastel rose]

@carmine quartz hello

[carmine quartz]

Yo

YO

[pastel rose]

NICE lol

I been up all night trying to learn void dashing

got a long way to go

[carmine quartz]

GG, yeah I haven’t implemented yet. I gotta lab first

[pastel rose]

It's a weird rhythm for sure

[leaden sedge]

imma try void jumping

void dash with jack is a bit easier since he rolls

[pastel rose]

Im still super finnicky with it haha you gotta make sure you don't burn your meter by messing it up

[leaden sedge]

yeah

imma lab before eatin something

the combo and void jump

[digital crow]

I've been rewatching Beta Footage why was the Camera zoomed so far out in ones

[carmine quartz]

So tiny lol

I made it to Diamond but lost twice and lost two Ranks! 😭

It’s been an hour trying to get back now

[leaden sedge]

yeah

[digital crow]

Like everything seemed so small

[royal shadow]

Any tips against Joker?

[tough axle]

Whats void dashing

[pastel rose]

check out VoiDs latest video

[digital crow]

I find it funny that my birthday just so happens to fall around a week before my mains

[tough axle]

Hmm ok im interested to see new tech

[pastel rose]

This is mvs version of wavedash : )

[wicked marsh]

anyone else feel like its a free win when you see a jason as jack?

[tough axle]

Its a free win when u see jason as anyone lmao

Nah jk

Jason can be troublesome sometimes

[tough axle]

Ahhh I see what it is now

Pretty cool actually knowing this now

I feel like I've done this before accidentally lmao

[swift wyvern]

Jacks neutral special is the perfect shaggy kick counter

[primal ermine]

It's odd Jack seems to be based on his his original cartoon network personality, but he has his adult swim Era alts

I would expect beard Jack to be more tired and done

[dawn gazelle]

so when is jack getting nerfed exactly ?

[mighty fable]

He doesn’t need to be nerfed

[leaden sedge]

ye

[wicked marsh]

dont mind these people XD they just having copium

[mighty fable]

People when an extremely telegraphed attack with a huge delay hits them cuz they’re bad

[primal ermine]

How did you guys react to season 2 so far?

[pastel rose]

just woke up alright, back on the grind

[dawn gazelle]

it destroys meseeks, lasers, morf ball, and fart bomb and it can get you from behind jack + it takes half the stage

[leaden sedge]

it has been great

[deft scroll]

Good, but I wish the Powerpuff girls were out already

[jaunty swan]

Whats the reasoning behind you guys thinking he doesnt need nerfs?

[graceful raft]

because he doesn't

nothing he has is egregious or has no counterplay

[crimson rapids]

he's probably one of the like 5 balanced characters in the game

[graceful raft]

he has strong tools but none of them are "broken" in the sense that they overwhelm you with absolutely no options you can take to play against them

characters are allowed to have strong tools and because jack doesn't have any obvious crippling weaknesses + is also a very popular character

its very easy for people to just go "oh dude he's broken"

[primal ermine]

I'm dying here too but jack is the next best thing rn

[graceful raft]

compared to many of the top tier characters his biggest strengths also aren't even that crazy

[wicked marsh]

people love to OVERLY exaggerate how far his side special goes

[graceful raft]

he doesn't have ridiculous kill power like ww or joker

[primal ermine]

Hang in there!

[deft scroll]

Yeah. I haven't seen his show tho. Maybe when I get max I'll see it

[crimson rapids]

and he actually has end lag and whiff frames, unlike arya or finn, two other sword fighters

[tight garden]

I’m surprised jacks the swordie that got the most hate

[graceful raft]

because everyone is playing him

so people whine more about him because they see him more

people whine about any character when they lose to them

[tight garden]

and not the 3 with such strong neutrals and advantages states that it’s suffocating

[leaden sedge]

finn doesnt joke around tho with the hate

[wicked marsh]

you didnt notice it was mostly finn mains?

[graceful raft]

if shaggy was the most popular character rn people would be whining about him in equal measure

[wicked marsh]

that complain about him

[dawn gazelle]

also he is as fast as finn whil being much hevier and being able to kill at 70ish

[graceful raft]

he isn't able to kill at 70

[tight garden]

how tf are you dying to Jack at 70

[wicked marsh]

too much copium for me, go back to rick chat

[graceful raft]

not outside of solid edgeguarding

[dawn gazelle]

i literally just got killed at 75 from the platform

[graceful raft]

which a lot of characters can do

you didn't

you have no idea what happened to you

[dawn gazelle]

i just did

[mighty fable]

Most copium induced player I ever done saw

[tight garden]

did you get hit by fully charged neutral attack

[wicked marsh]

even if he got his with the charged neutral it wouldnt kill XD

[deft scroll]

Loses against a "op" character
This character is broken!

Wins against a bad character
I'm so good at this game

That's pretty much these people.

[wicked marsh]

he would have to be on the edge of the plateform

[graceful raft]

the only way that can happen is if you're playing an extremely light character and got hit by like full charge neutral attack

[dawn gazelle]

my overall wr is like 65 ish against pretty much every other character rn exept a solid 10% for jack

[graceful raft]

it is basically impossible to die that early midscreen against jack

[wicked marsh]

theres no way he died at 75% just off a move unless he was on the edge of a platform even with the charged neutral

[tight garden]

if you had 3 weakened and got hit by the beetle I could see how that would kill in middle

that’s very specific tho

[graceful raft]

have you actually considered why it is you have a low winrate against jack beyond just going "he is broken please nerf"

[wicked marsh]

idk 3 weakened is crazy XD

[dawn gazelle]

it was a down special

[wicked marsh]

yeah you're capping

theres no way he killed you from the middle of the plateform

you wouldve had to been on the edge man

[dawn gazelle]

not the middle, on the platform

[graceful raft]

yes that can happen

that is fine

[wicked marsh]

on the EDGE is where you wouldve had to been

[graceful raft]

many characters can kill you from that position at that hp

[jaunty swan]

Missed a lot of responses but no i actually beat most jacks because all the casuals are picking him up, its just when a good player gets him he is like a rushdown god or a def god whatever he wants to be

[dawn gazelle]

from the platforms edge idk but i can't kill till 110 115 ish

[wicked marsh]

im trying to learn the rushdown but im more on the Def side

im kinda in the middle atm

great def solid attack but i cant do all offense

[jaunty swan]

His kick, forgive me i dont know the directions as i havent played him but the kick is a def nightmare, he can dodge back and throw that out and theres no opening

And to me he needs more whiff on his misses, im not a whiner by any means i just think he should have more openings and there are a couple moves where either the hit box or the visuals need to change to better align

[graceful raft]

he does have whiff recovery on a fair amount of his moves

his kick is very strong but a lot of characters have strong jabs

he also lacks combo options compared to other characters

[deft scroll]

Play as him. That will show you his weaknesses. It's a good way to understand how to fight a character

[jaunty swan]

Might try this myself, need to get character masteries anyway

[deft scroll]

I had massive trouble against banana guard, but I played him and I don't think he's that op anymore. It works

[empty spruce]

Its funny to see Jack mains protecting their character with their life when someone says something about him lol

[deft scroll]

Because he's not broken.

[crimson rapids]

there are so many actual broken characters to talk about, but people decide to talk about the one of five balanced characters in the game

[mighty fable]

Who are the other 4

[crimson rapids]

well I say five, it might not even be that many lol
most of the newer characters are actually pretty balanced, compared to the rest of the cast of course
so, Jack, Smith, Jason at least

[candid thunder]

Morty main

[candid thunder]

Smith, Reindog (but he might even need nerfs tbh), and maybe Garnet

Almost none of the beta characters are really balanced tbh

They almost all feel like cheaters vs. A full release character because of how little whiff and startup they have

It's VERY obvious they were made for a different game

[crimson rapids]

like comparing the sword fighters
jack is like the only one with end lag and start up

almost no one from the beta is fun to play against

[candid thunder]

Yeah

Even Joker you can tell was made during the beta

He's just so fast and has so little time to be punished

[mighty fable]

I feel like stripe is balanced rn too

He’s the only beta character that doesn’t feel like a beta character

Give his gun cancels back and he’s perfectly balanced

[empty spruce]

When did i say Morty is not op or smth, at least i know that he needs nerfs lol

[candid thunder]

Jack is a mid tier... lol...

Balance the beta characters before even touching the release characters tbh (Joker was also a beta character they didn't release, it's obvious he was designed for a faster game)

[empty spruce]

No he is not, he is maybe A Tier

He doesnt need those insane nerfs that some people are saying

Thats just skill issue

But u know, some balance changes

[candid thunder]

He's low A at best imo but yeah people VERY much overrate him and act like he's top 3

[graceful raft]

Jack isn’t mid tier he’s a very good character

But that’s fine

He has enough shortcomings despite being very strong to overall be fine

[candid thunder]

He's really not as great as people say though

There are at least 10 characters better than him, probably more (which puts him in mid tier)

[wicked marsh]

am i the only one that hates batman? XD

i have 0 idea how to deal with him when he plays off map tbh

[deft yew]

is there a Jack server?

[visual bolt]

The Gold Tier was an.. experience. I loved and hated it, bliss was felt and pain was endured, but I'm finally in Platinum Tier.

I'm also a Top 400 Jack now, that's pretty neat methinks.

[jaunty swan]

To me its almost like the game is determined to give every character some busted move or mechanic which is only okay if every character has one but some get left out

[stray mauve]

plat makes me want to smash my brains open

it dont get easier

[visual bolt]

Oh trust me I know it doesn't.

[stray mauve]

im just trying to get the diamond jack skin

the masters skin is kinda trash

[carmine quartz]

Bruh. Yesterday I got to Diamond. Lost like two or three times and dropped two entire ranks. Played for hours and couldn’t get Diamond back

[jaunty swan]

So whats the way to deal with him jack?

[candid thunder]

Who do you play?

[stray mauve]

parry side b = win

[pastel rose]

I'm in the same boat. It's like 6 rp per win and -15 per loss. Gotta have maybe a 70% winrate to climb

[visual bolt]

I think the Masters skin looks awesome, the cool blue-plated armor he has with the pretty gradient clouds.

It makes him look even more regal warrior-y than he already does.

Plus, his Katana is a gradient color, starting Purple at the bottom but slowly turning blue, and then shiny white at the tip.

[jaunty swan]

Lots of characters

[jaunty swan]

Wish they wouldve gave one for every character

[candid thunder]

Tell me who you play bro

Like

Some characters

2 or 3

[safe mauve]

can somebody tell few easy combos

[late falcon]

Jab, dodge, jab

[safe mauve]

i have used jab jab jab and normal up i think and that has worked fine too but i wanna know some others too like smoe which confirms kills easy

[pastel rose]

his neutral grab can steal projectiles what

[safe mauve]

daamn gotta start using that then

[pastel rose]

did it on a harley batbomb lol

[safe mauve]

nice btw do you have any easy combos to share with me

[late falcon]

Most jacks I've faced just ledge trap me to death so IDK, haven't played him in a long time lol

[pastel rose]

no true combos either than jab 1, 2 uptilt on medium - large characters from what ive seen

[safe mauve]

i dont like to be player like that

[safe mauve]

about what i have used

[mighty fable]

Use the rivers fury perk and you can Jab jab down special

[pastel rose]

works on some character, could never get it to land on arya because she's so small

[candid thunder]

Jab > Jab > Down B with River's Flurry is true on most characters with the right spacing
Jab > Jab > Utilt is true with spacing
Jab > Jab > Dtilt > Dodge > Jab > Jab > Utilt will land if they DI the dtilt wrong (could also use down b instead of utilt if you're running River's Flurry)
Side B > Jab > Jab > Down B/Utilt/Dtilt depending on what you wanna do is true at lower percents
Nair > Uair can land fairly consistently too

[safe mauve]

thanks alot

[candid thunder]

Another tip, up b is super strong (way better than side b lmao)

[safe mauve]

up special?

[candid thunder]

Up air comes out nearly instantly, making Up B > Up air a very reliant kill confirm

[candid thunder]

Yeah

[safe mauve]

yea i noticed that i just use side special to get closer/close gap

[jaunty swan]

Finn, jake, smith

[candid thunder]

I will NOT be giving matchup help for Finn 😠
Jake can cheese the entire cast by SDing after eating them
With Smith you just need to edge guard jack

[dawn gazelle]

wait he got armor too 💀

[candid thunder]

Jack? Only on neutral special (air is only after grabbing so he can't get hit out of the throw immediately and ground is needed for it to function as intended)

[loud herald]

How to make or in what situation jab-jab-downSpecial is true? I was fighting another Jack and they did that to me atleast twice and i couldnt dodge it, when i tried it they escaped easily with a dodge

[tight garden]

you gonna use rivers flurry

it makes down special faster and makes it true