Just like Shaggy just needed an overall kill power nerf instead of removing his combos. They could’ve just added a late hit to air up special so it didn’t kill off the top, nerfed sair so it doesn’t kill at 60 near ledge, nerfed rage specials so they don’t do an absurd 25 damage and instead do a more reasonable 15-20, and then have him more whiff on jab 1
#Agent Smith
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skillfull smith from S2 is back
Bro he was even better in season 2 than he was before this patch
Especially when he had a loop due to no auto teching
S2 smith was balanced
jab 1 in S3 stunned like 3 years
he needed that nerf
smith was braindead af
and he wasnt in S2
Dude jab 1 to utilt was still true in season 2
Jab 1 -> utilt -> dair -> gunshot down -> repeat was a loop that went from like 0-90
You’re gaslighting yourself
Same character that lost nspec edge slide
and dtilt ground bounce
and air gun cancel
Repeat move lockout on uair
But im done malding about smith changes ill still play bro
Only skins im missing on him are tooniverse and matrix
I'll come back to Smith when he has anything that resembles expression
You should be good because he’s an assassin and PFG is in the bruiser nerfing phase rn
Lebroners ate good this hotfix
character specialists will prevail
idk about bruiser nerfing
i thought he got dair changed?
Lebron will become dogwater when shields are added
it's more accurate
And he loses all basketball pressure
he can actually hit to the side with dair now like before
smith was gonna be so good with shields too
people keep talking shields like they're a certainty
i have the opinion that lebron is not considered as a bruiser to them
i subscribe to the idea that they wouldnt be pushing shields on us this hard if they werent certain it was gonna be added
Bron is a mage down to the stance swap
but if ur weight class is above shaggy ur a tank or bruiser
Oh he’s definitely a weird bruiser mage hybrid
They are moving on with testing, they aren't pushing it
Also, nah
he still has 0 kill power besides a lucky bomb
mb smith mains
the counter combo tricked me
most of the time u should still be able to land uptilt
just loops will be much harder and/or impossible to do
so he s actually balanced now
sorry master oog i was baited by the counter
No problem, i was just confused because the only thing this hinders with smith is his tech chasing, but even then with proper spacing you can still pull some off.
what do u say smith's position is now? top tier or is it too early to determine?
since his jab now doesnt cover a lot anymore and is actually fair
He still has his dodge distance, gun is gun, and his jab is still super fast and still really good. IMO, still top tier, but probably still too early, but he is still smith 🤣 Top 1 still
Keep in mind he also has all of his kill confirms still
i see, but he feels a bit better to fight imo
Why is my agent now just randomly throwing people into the ground?
Agent Jones seems to be off the nut this patch acting strange
Its NOT that deep Smith is ok rn
Everything is inconsistent because people were screeching like banshees about Smith being way too strong
I seriously feel sorry for the devs dealing with people
Oh no i cant believe his jab isnt 10 meters long anymore!!!
U guys gotta chill 😂
What was even the issue anyway, his jab doing a little bit more damage than he was supposed to do?
His jab had a insane hitbox
If there was a native way to see the hitbox of that I would have liked to see it
Now that smith finally got nerfed…. They need to fix Harley sair
nah
Yeeeesh
People were hurt mentally with smith
However these nerfs are not going to do anything. The jab was fixed to stop jab --> dair loops.
Side note, most people that show up here just to talk about smith nerfs got no chill on our boy the handsome smith.
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No nerf is going to stop me from liking the character itself.
ngl after playing some games of smith
i overreacted
jab utilt just don’t connect in combos sometimes now
thats only because you have to be closer
you can't just dodge foward and jab like you use to entirely
like what most other fighters do
I'm calling it now ricks jab is going to take over smiths, I have not really touched smith much this season
but man people just whine till they get everything they want on their character
hooooly
I hate this community
ive been playing raven watching how bad it is people depend on jab
ricks feels worse then smith by a land slide
it does not feel fun to play against
you can't jump over it
it hits underledge better then smiths ever did
like what the hell lol
people need to stop being babys when there is things far more annoying yeeeesh
Sorry for crashing out kings
same
his changes are sick
You know S1 Joker jab?
That
Not as good
But around there
thats unironically such a good apt comparison
literally
smiths wasnt as disjointed but anti aired like crazy and covered half the stage
at least we werent getting hit by a fish lmfao
Lil bro is crying over a top 1 character
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t realize that Rick was top 1
Go be toxic somewhere else
Peeps: Smith got nerfed
Me: Eh, He's still pretty strong. So, go Smith mains.
He’s still strong
A lot more fair now without his long strings
They should probably just add some whiff lag to neutral special and then he’d be in a balanced spot
I'd genuinely rework his gun moves ngl
mainly just to make it a bit more fun and easier to balance in the future
Unsure how’d they go about that
Maybe he can have 0 bullets but they have a shorter cooldown?
So it recharges faster
I'd make it so Hand_Cannon is base kit.
Single-shots, sweet spots at the tip, his bullets can now go to 0 and have the gun not fire in that case (He'd still do side/down special jumps and movements, but he'd just make a click noise)
It's a lot more satisfying and skill-based to land shots that way since you only get 1 bullet to fire at a time rather than a volley of 3
devs can tweak the power around single shots easier imo
and it'd also completely stop gun spam ledge guarding
Interesting
if he times it, he gets it. If not, then he wastes a precious bullet
I'd then rework hand_cannon to reduce your max bullet count to 1 in exchange for a stronger shot
MAYBE increase the range of gun shots too
but I'm not 100% on if that'd be balanced
other than that, I think Smith's kit is cool af
and I like how they nerfed the cancel window on Cooldown neutral attack, makes the off-cooldown version more valuable outside of the silence debuff
Off cooldown nair/neutral attack I’m pretty sure has more knockback too
he always crying dont mind
So Smith was killed, at least with comboing lol
Rick is like top 5 i think
God, before was bad but now... ugh... poor handsome smith
ok i dont mean to be all elitist but for every past major patch (excluding season 4 patch) us Rick mains had to pretty much learn a whole new character, you guys will survive
I’m confused, smith is still top 3 minimum why are you guys going crazy? 😅
(I personally think top 1 but I’m a realist at the same time)
The only difference I noticed with Smith is not being able to combo into up tilt out of a second jab
Otherwise he still feels like Smith to me, which is pretty athletic and pretty good.
...?
Idk how many months its been but I am still begging pfg to make the clone unable to be picked up by your partner if it's already grabbed someone. Please...
Pretty sure that’s been a thing for a long time
Actually due to the reduced hitstun jab now has the technique is no longer possible, it was hard to pull off prior to this update but very doable.
“Hard to pull off” = bad DI dependent on your opponent
Smith was never able to combo uptilt after jab 2, only on bad DI, it was never ever true @stark anvil
I’ve been begging for that for months 🤣
What kill confirms does he have
jab up tilt up air
seeing Smith jab being regarded as still super good just goes to show how many people have played/played against smith this patch
I'm mildly disappointed that Smith's best skin is still his Matrix Code skin from Season 1, the one you had to beat 30 rift bosses for
I'm glad I did it and I actually had a fun time doing so but like
It makes me wish Smith's other skins were that good
Begging them to make an ugly Christmas sweater for Smith
But it's just 1s and 0s on it
White rabbit pattern
Spoons
I know it would take a bit of effort but a Legendary skin based on his possessed Bane alias in The Matrix Resurrections would go kinda hard methinks
Normally I wouldn't say something like "It'll probably take a bit of effort" given the immense work they usually do on skins but
They seem to do that for most characters with few exceptions and Smith is one of them LOL
Maybe before that they will put the 4th movie version. Maybe when the 5th movie is released
"This variant (Matrix Code) was originally supposed to be part of the Agent Smith's Source Code Bundle, but was swapped out for Cyber-Smith Agent Smith."
Man am I glad we got Matrix Code for the 30th tier reward
I actually agree it's currently his best skin
Though I do quite like his Tooniverse and Circuit Drone skins they're not bad
The rest however very much are :(
jealous
grinded solo 22/30 rifts s1
time machine just to go back for matrix smith
i’m missing that and tooniverse
Finally coped and got Agent Smith's Source Code, cause it was on sale
Thankfully I didn't have to spend any real life money
Whatever the pack is that comes with the Spoons taunt, because I wanted that for a while
I love the Spoon taunt so much, I picked it up because it was on a 60% sale and got it alongside Cyber Smith for only 700 Gleamium
Seeing him dance all the bent spoons around his body while saying something cocky like "Seems like someone needs to touch grass." is insanely comedic to me even if it is a tad out of character, I love it so much.
Yeah I got it for that price too
I have enough to get the second battle pass so it's no big deal to me
gutting smith waiting room
The developers responded to a meme in regards to Smith's gun viability
It seems the mid season patch is going to make his Gun-Fu less powerful in some fasion
great, that adds to the idea of failing combos and DI becomming useless against Batman and Harley
nah, im done with this. I liked the diamond skin but its impossible, i only go down. It feels like i haven't reached Master before and i practiced some combos. None connects properly. Feels pretty random everything.
the most frustrating game i played so far... gg
The devs need to stop nerfing literally anything that people cry about
gun needs some nerf aside from combos
The handsome smith.
maybe, until you realize....that his gun is 95% of his specials... meaning they are going to nerf nearly half his moves
mb there
by gun i mean nspec
I hope its just something that makes it so you cant just spam it over and over to ledge guard...but all specials that involve the gun (including his dash) share the same ammo clip thing he has..
i think they should just nerf the framedata on grounded to prevent insane ledgeguard
all his other moves aside jab that requires minor tweaks he s back to normal
if its whiff lag..that might end him too depending on the length, they sudo nerfed his jab because they changed the stun data
and the hitbox
which was a nice change so his jab doesnt cover 2/3 of your tech options
idk, doing this may just make him garbage.
I know the gun spam (like every other spam) is bad and really I want all the spam to be nerfed, but I want the attack decay to come back for that, and add less knockback (and stun in cases) on top of less damage for the decay. They arent going to do that nor bring back attack decay from beta
but they should
agree
Some people here downplay too much
what happened to your name
we want chinese autistic morty back
Finee...
if they touch gun ledge spam with move lock out, that’s completely fine - if they do some weird bullet/ammo rework i’m out w this character
not that anybody asked just my thoufhts
raven is solid and doesn’t seem like she’ll be viscerally patched every .5 seasons
Bro imagine "Agent Smith can no longer shoot if he does not have ammo"
that would be crazy
it would 1000% kill the character
gun is the only thing he has rn
Gun revolves around his entire moveset
Looks like Smith finally got a non suit
He's getting winter clothes
In the season 4.5 trailer
reminds me of captain cold
Still hoping he gets an ugly Christmas sweater with ones and zeroes but that's still pretty cool
Yesss about freaking time.
How yall handsome smiths doing
I'll be coming back to the game soon
Been busy with my finals
I got busy with Antonblast coming out and lack of new content for this game generally speaking
And uh
All of the few friends I had playing this game no longer want to play it because of how microtransaction-heavy everything is
I guess, it does not seem that bad
they might be overeacting
other games feel much worse
considering how much free stuff we get
feels bad people think that way about this game. oh well what can you do.
oog is gaining huge Ws on tourney
Noice
I’m trying to learn agent smith what are some of his best combos?
jab1 - uptilt - nspec down and dair in like 20-25 percentages
or for early and more safe, down special or jab ( unsure if jab connects )
Youuuu learned him at the wrong time, but he is still really fun and good.
He has alot of combos still, just gotta mess around with training
I don't like it anymore it's not consistent enough unless it's a bigger character.
I never really used it like that ether
I followed up into other stuff
I like where smith is though
He's in a better spot
Did they nerf him again for the Marceline update
No
No one was nerfed this patch. Only a bug fix so you can actually see Steven’s shield now
Smith is still an incredible character indeed.
Is he that bad now? Lmaoo I have not been playing him since the start of this season
That's what I thought.
I wana start playing him again later
Been playing raven lately
Just been playing smith in training alot
To practice combos
his jab just literally does not work half of the time
shields got added
and smitj feels ass to play with shields
thats fair, I feels alright to me, I can see him being harder to play. but people still whining about him saying he's broken I'm like thats crazy I knew they would nerf him and people would still lose to him and whine.
I said it and I was like there it is loool.
I think he is not as strong as he used to be by a landslide, and people will just continue to be foul. someguy was like, B-b-but Bhands said he was broken a month agooooo.
I'm like this guy wild.
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the fact he was serious is why I'm lost.
it was proberly longer then a month more like a month and a half ago that video was made.
It could be a Marceline Top 7 and Oog placing with Smith in top 8 and pfg would kill Smith even more
they hit smith with 3 balance nerfs before even considering what he would play like with shields
nerfing things in reverse too lol
yeesh
Nspec move lockout should’ve been one of the first things they did
but no they did that after removing down attack ground bounce
making his jab hit box one of the worst
making uptilt whiff half of the time
its funny considering how bad other jabs are
but whatever
atleast it does not loop anymore compared to how it used it
character was mid on launch, was strong and half the metagame didn’t notice, when he was finally noticed as a strong pick got nerfed within a season
his strongest was s3 launch with the down attack and tech chases
people still giving me a hard time for playing smith
actual non free thinkers
lmao
if there wasn’t a smith psyop in the past few months this character would be viewed ass
but some hardcore mind washing made smith look like one of the most broken platform fighting game characters ever
genuinely the only thing this character has left is uptilt upair and uptilt nair
yeah, I mean he still has jab uptilt dair nair/ jab uptilt Nspecial nair
he has something. its not amazing
but its something
the problem was like you said, players find something fun. But the fun police shows up (complainers) and get it taken away
their arguement whether they like it or not is, its not my character being strong so I'm mad.
always has been.
never changes rip.
yea i’m not gonna sit here n say smith wasn’t a strong character when he was up but he wasn’t doing egregious 0tds or the like
if you were getting killed early by smith other than uptilt nair you were simply just bad
I knew he was strong too, but yea he was not off the charts
it was just people making him look good
Oog and Fallzei were the only ones placing with smith
thats always been the problem
people never stop coping
and after they nerfed smith people still lose and complain
Smith did not take up really any space in top 8s
people are just dog!@#$ 😄
Smith will forever be viewed in this light too
yeah I've always said people here are just really foul.
Actual humble character ruined by complaining
its unfortunate but atleast I can still enjoy him I guess
Keep on smithin 🕶️
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I’ve been playing raven a lot more
same
her nair into upspecial is addicting to land
grounded up special
and follow ups into aerial up special are really fun
it’s funny that ppg bj raven and marceline up special send them up fast in a swift and powerful motion
lmao
just an observation
yea but she do be getting rewarded off jab unlike marceline
people still complain when I say jab is not that good
jab dtilt upair satisfying af
raven dodge jab isn’t as offensive as others but i still think it’s pretty good
I like the way her jab is
the projectile property is rlly good
did you know a perfect spaced jab combos into dair
nah i rarely use dair on raven its a wack hitbox
and you can combo it into bird if you follow up immediatly
its wack but feels satisfying to land
i’ve been using the dspec sig on her recently
thats right she has a perk brought back
leme go look
ive been using the rage sig perk
you can reverse input it for them to fall in towards you for a dodge jab
weird explanation but i’m sure u can figure it out in lab
If you think Smith’s jab doesn’t work half the time, you better never play Shaggy in his current state
funny thing
we’re ladder brothers 👑
check #clips
Oh that’s funny
Yeah so I stopped playing ranked after I reached diamond 5 and then went on a 7 set game losing streak against nothing but Arya, Harley, and Steven
Shaggy jab does not work on any thin character like Harley, Arya, Rick, Morty, Raven, etc
the dair special gives us a projectile noice
wait @undone slate
if you reverse d sepcial
special
it pulls them to you?
i figured it out on accident
yea like raven starts dspec facing other direction
aim it backwards and they’ll get pulled in
and you can dodge jab
thats so cool
I was about to be like this move is alright
its not so bad now though
yea there’s merit to using it over 85 perk
its cool down is not horrible
but its like a mini smith dspecial grab
that does not shield break
I guess you have to dodge jump when reversing upspecial on the ground to follow up certain attacks now
thats fine
anyways @undone slate thank you very much for helping me find this, i was already enjoying playing raven but now its going to be more fun.
np bro
I just started playing the game again
They just added shields like a week ago so I'm not too familiar with shields as of right now
Smith gets better with shields though? 🤔
wouldn’t agree :(
I would.
It allows him to win the matchups he loses.
He can shield all of stevens kit
He can shield and punish WW nair
It allows an actual defensive option against Harley sair
fair i was more thinking what shields did for smith offensively
Ahhhhh
In terms of purely offensively
Yeah I can see Smith not getting the biggest buffs in terms of offense with shields in play
But Smith's biggest issues are his natural defense against aerial characters.
Shields fix this.
So (at least in my opinion of course (: ) in term, Smith gets better
but i do get where u’re coming from with shields esp w ur experiences w past wonder womans 🤣
Yeah 🤣
I'm still having a good time with Smith
He's lost a string or two but he's still super agile and floaty and very combo heavy
Nobody blocks in this game
And nobody uses guard breaks
So using shields are free right now
Until people finally use them
But then guard breaks will be free
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Thats what I'm saying i still like em
But I can understand being mad about the stupid nerfs
Does Smith have a good out of shield game?
I can’t imagine up special out of shield is very good lol
Jab and utilt are what I use oos
your name is crazy I read it and lol'd
"Agent Whiff" I feel that
jab utilt still whiffing point blank
Yo CRIMX88 u in here?
Happy holidays / New year Smith’s 🕶️🫡
The jab hitstun nerf means you can’t loop jab -> utilt -> dair at all anymore and jab -> utilt in general has a more strict timing, but other than that, he’s basically the same
Oh and gun at ledge is a decent bit slower
His fair feels like, super slow
Agent sniff is fine
his sair is one of the most broken things about him
Thats crazy
Its one of the best sairs in the game
The winter coat for Smith is cool
Matrix Code is still my favorite one cause it's so simple and effective
Goodbye smith bros
It was some of the most fun I've ever had playing him
And the most excited I'd been for a multiplayer game when he was announced
Agent Smith wins in the end
I love you fellow Smith's. I'm glad to be able to have assisted some of you during our glorious time here in the Multiverse. Till next time 🕶️ 🫡
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See u bros
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U the goat Agent Whiff
It was always fun to play against agent smith. One of the most fun characters to fight against
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😭😭😭
I'll never be able to play peak platform fighter character for the foreseeable future
I LOVE AGENT SMITH
SO MUCh
He loves you too 🕶️🫡
CHAT
THE SEASON 5 TRAILER
The stage Smith is seen wave dashing on is the dojo from the first two Matrix films
The one Neo did his training in
We actually finally got a Matrix stage thank god LOL
Yeah but the game is shutting down 😭😭😭😭
This season looks like the best season by far
And we'll only get to enioy it for so long
IT'S OUT
Wait that's the dojo from Matrix????
smith is weird now but has some new fun combos
gotta play him with out uppercut combos now
I've always thought those moves were kind of worthless so that's good to hear
so smiths
what are we doing out of jab now
bc uptilt leaves you stun locked after xd
seems better to do gun cancels out of jab1 now
Yeah the gun cancels are sick
We got clone combos now
Up B has been really fun to use
Gun cancel combos into clone pretty sure as well
Also sair combos into clone
You gotta get the bounce though
The up tilt just feels so bad man everytime I use it I get visions of the old combos we used to pull off
Yeah, i miss the combos from it, I don't even use uptilt anymore
It's gona take some getting used too.
I use it out of habit and get surprised seeing Agent Smith floundering around everytime
Ikr
holy gutted character
I miss up tilt sair and up tilt dair I cri
this dude smith really gets frozen in time after uptilt
I'd argue smith is bottom one now
Every other character has better tools than him
And he has no combos anymore
Try out Iron Giant
You’ll see what it truly means to be bottom 1
he’s not bottom 1
Smith still has jab 1 into gun cancel
And I’ve heard jab 1 clone is also true
He’s still got some sauce
I didn't know you could do Jab into Agent Jones, I figured the move would have too much buildup for that
Neat.
nah gun cancel is bogus af buggy mechanic
Smith is no where near bottom one everyone, don’t worry. He just has to work a little bit harder. He has combos. He has confirms. Trust. (: I believe in y’all 🕶️
I need to see them cause brother I been struggling
did they fix his down special in 2s or is the game dying with it being a buggy peice of garbage
Yeah agent smith players are only getting carried by the gun now. It’s literally just jump air down special into neutral special into side special over and over again smh. If smith is that easy to be brain dead with then I. Guess I’ll give it a try too lol
bro...the changes they made in S5 for gameplay kinda buffed Smith lol...just decided to play him again for the hell of it...and hes smooth
About to get the Valentine's day suit for Smith lol
I’m gonna miss all of you fellow Smith’s. Keep thriving Agents 🕶️🫡🖤
Tried to stop myself from glazing but Not One Person would even argue that Smith was high tier if it weren’t for Oog’s placements and performance. Impeccable specimen peaked the character so hard
That’s not glaze, that’s love. Appreciate you always homie 🕶️🫡🖤
when did they make agent smiths uptilt trash
Agent smith is nowhere near trash
You can win with him him by just only doing his specials
Air down special to be specific
Sighhhh
Makes me sad to come back to this server
Like a graveyard
Agent smith goated
I TOO AM EXCITED FOR ULTRON
I'm definitely going for his lord
Same
Prob my fav marvel villain
Always been a dc guy but ultron is one of those marvel chars that I think is cool asf
Are there any Variants for the character with unique voicelines?
12:07PM EST earlier this afternoon, the servers shut down right as I got my final win with Smith. I'm satisfied.
It was an honor Smith gang
I already miss this lol
broken character