Agent Smith

[calm loom]

Literally anything connects with that

[sudden cloak]

Oh wow this is going to be an agent smith patch

He got 0 nerfs... Wow

[stark anvil]

Actually

He got two... Sort of.

His neutral special and side special gun attacks have had their hitboxes fixed...

And by that I mean they're not janky and hitting people from behind in weird fashions anymore.

[lime vale]

TBH that's less of a Nerf and more of a why did it here there

[unreal coral]

The dodge jab change is also gonna effect a LOT more than people think

[sudden cloak]

We gotta see tbh, if he still can jab jab dtilt dodge jab and still catch the opponent then he is going to become top 2

[unreal coral]

i dont think that will be true anymore is my point :/

[brittle vector]

he'll be even weaker when they decide to remove the ability to reverse jabs after whiffing

[dull roost]

yeah I think thats going to be taken, away as well. I'm going to enjoy this on dodge whiff mechanic if it works like it should. but we will just have to wait and see.

[dull roost]

thats what it feels like kinda because the hitbox nerf is not that big deal. if you play him by spacing to hit the front part of his hitboxes like most chracters should be played like.

[dull roost]

smith can get some really sick confirms of aerials depending on percents guys, I'm just bring this up so people don't forget we can follow up jab off landing neutral special in the air, or we can land jab off side air pretty well because it makes players bounce to follow up with jab as well.

ive seen smiths confirm jab off down air pretty easy too.

so even if smiths d tilt isnt going to be as strong from what it looks like people are saying, we don't really need it.

i feel like its going to be easier to catch players for follow ups with the dodge nerfs

it sounds really great honnestly.

call me out if I misunderstood lol

[hidden whale]

i was someone who complained about dtilt being useless

but never used it before lol

[cloud night]

i use it for combo and edge kill

[dull roost]

same

[unreal coral]

So smith is still the same, we survived everyone 🕶️

[sudden cloak]

Yep, this is just an agent smith patch

[dull roost]

yea smith is nuts they should of nerfed him

idk why they did not

im happy we strong but man

prepare to be looked down on boys

people are not gona like us this patch

[cloud night]

Lets say that i touch grass... and i am not enough for masters lol

[dull roost]

fair enough, I go to school 4 days a week and work. but I'm almost masters they made it way easier bruh. you prob should be able to atleast get plat lol

but like Im not one to judge. if you are enjoying the game at a steady pace who cares

yo smiths you better be spaming neutral special in neutral to land bounce into jab.

it feels worse then last patch

in a great way

[cloud night]

What i mean is that there are people who is too good. Im plat right now, and maybe i will reach diamon. But thats it lol

[cloud night]

I was put vs a Grand master #34... is this legal? Isnt this a 3 rank difference?

[dull roost]

dum gam

[dull roost]

I tell you what, I say I say. Boy you just take this here, whatch you call it neutral special here boy! I say neutral special here boy! you take this here and you jump and dodge, yes jump and dodge and steady ya aim boy! I say they will bounce and dounce.

🕶️

[unborn cosmos]

How fun is smith? A person suggested him when I asked about different rush down characters

Tbh I like the fact that he literally has “for his neutral special, he wields a gun”

[cloud night]

It is fun to combo and kill. It is very satisfying to hit. It is a bit tricky to hit always tho. Some attacks are too closecombat for this crazy game, so it is up to you if it feels fun 👍

[slate ocean]

I'm gonna be called crazy but arguably the most fun character in the game

[mint loom]

Not crazy at all tbh

I like how through all updates smith has remained fun to play

Even when he gets a bunch of changes and nerfs and whatever

[slate ocean]

It's just so satisfying

Like every move feels good to hit

[dull roost]

This one youtuber, not going to call out names unless someone really really wants me too. This dude thinks smiths neutral special hit box should be reduced more, when he tested it. 💀

Yeah, they were saying, "still hits in the gun" my response to that is against a skinny character like shaggy, it looks like that because the actual edge of shaggys model is getting hit by the blast coming from smiths gun.

So it makes sense, and it's not dumb like before where if your directly behind him you get hit.

[smoky kelp]

Ignore Crazynoc man's a looney

[earnest mural]

i may not play anymore really but glad to see agents smiths multiplying

[dull roost]

he knows

[dull roost]

you right.

[earnest mural]

Handsome smith

[lime vale]

I think if like your in the gun itself it should hit since the hitbox would be big enough to hit the back of a character

[dull roost]

yes... the most handsome smith.

[dull roost]

thats what im saying, so it would make sense lmao. what it sounds like is the wana get rid of part of the neutral specials hit box where the actual bullet blast is happening. so in all honesty noc is just whining

[lime vale]

Like the hitbox realistically should be gun and area in front of gun

[dull roost]

yee, thats fine ig

but the hit box does not look like its on the gun anymore lmao

and im fine with it in all honestly

i think its fine

now side specials hit box could get a nerf if people still complaining, I think his arm is still a hitbox.

it would suck for us, but I mean I get it

[lime vale]

I think for side special I think like all the way to like the wrist would work

[dull roost]

yea thats fine I think

hit boxes are one of the main issues in this game so fixing it would help some frustration

[earnest mural]

i took a massive W 🤫

[dull roost]

HEEH-HAH... Yeeee boi.

[unreal coral]

how are we enjoying the mid season smiths? 🕶️

[dull roost]

He broke

Loving the neutral special still

[unreal coral]

yup

he literally didnt change lmfao

[unborn cosmos]

Gun go bang bang bang

[cinder moth]

Anyone else feel we need more costumes?

[urban panther]

Hell yeah

[unborn cosmos]

Yeah honestly smith doesn’t have that many skins

Most of his are literally event recolor skins I think

[dull roost]

You rught

Ima try out nubi for a potential sub smith gang.

Waiting till she free tomorrow

She seems fun

She has strong early kill potential, and she has ladder kill combos for 85%---> and up

Her side special has no end lag

And if aimed down it bounces for combo set ups

Like smith

With his gun

😎

[earnest mural]

Handsome smith

[dull roost]

Yes.. the most handsome smith.

😎

[hasty timber]

Guys, I might switch to being a nubia main NGL

[dull roost]

Even if you become a nubia main you will always be a handsome smith.
🫵😎

[unreal coral]

Once you enter the matrix, you never leave

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-we-are-not-free-gif-21678927

[dull roost]

the handsome smith

[minor oxide]

What are y’all’s thoughts on agent smiths best and worst move?

[dull roost]

neutral special is his best move, because it can easily lead in to his 2nd best move, "jab". Now for his worst move it would have to be "low key" his up special. but its still useful, just for reads.

[unreal coral]

Best = Jab

Worst = Up Special

[slate ocean]

^

[civic juniper]

Give Smith an ugly Christmas sweater just for the fun of it

[cloud night]

and the new line "xmas is disgusting"

[minor oxide]

Yes!!! Agent smith ugly sweater would go hard

[civic juniper]

The pattern on the shirt would just be a repeating pattern of his head

Or binary numbers

[cloud night]

Lately i only find rank 1 Masters.... hard to win you know.... i mean... no can win XD

any tips? just keep it up until a same rank appears?

[cloud night]

1h, found only one that is not 1 master rank lol

[minor oxide]

I’m going on a journey to go to all the severs of all characters and ask for best and worst move, and to see how characters best move is jab. Wish me luck

[slate ocean]

lol I legit asked in the rick server

[undone slate]

you know i had to do it to em #clips message

[minor oxide]

What were your results

[slate ocean]

Looks like we mostly agreed on up tilt being the worst

I'd say best is Aerial Meeseeks

[minor oxide]

Why? I don’t really know Rick

[slate ocean]

Up tilt is only really used for killing off the top using airwalker, literally it's only use. Aerial meeseeks is a combo tool, recovery tool, kill confirm, combo starter etc. It's his most versatile move, it's fast, has a massive hitbox and has 15 years of hitstun

But it's generally agreed upon rn that Rick has no bad moves

[minor oxide]

Thanks

[slate ocean]

any time

[fleet lily]

I saw that agent Smith has unique voice lines when going up against samurai Jack but I've never heard him say any of them ingame. Have any of you guys been able to trigger these voice lines towards samurai Jack?

of all the characters agent smith can interact with he's one of three characters agent smith doesn't say anything special to ingame

[dull roost]

that weird that it just does not work, well is what it sounds like.

[sudden cloak]

@unreal coral Holy hell man you played so good today, ggs and congrats for the tourney!

[unreal coral]

Thank you! 🕶️ 🫡 🖤

[civic juniper]

M i s t e r
A n d e r s o n

I forgot that the Matrix skin is considered Elusive now

I sincerely thought they'd go back on it being Elusive

[hidden whale]

same

[cloud night]

The suffering was well deserved this way...

[wicked imp]

I thought for being a reward for the ridiculous rift grind, it’d be a little more flashy

Like it’s no different from the other matrix skins

[cloud night]

It is the handsome Smith. That is all it takes for being a great reward.

[stark anvil]

Most of Smith's skins already look even with their simplicity

Ironically enough the only Smith skin I don't like is the only purely original one, being his Cybernetic skin

Being Smith isn't a robot exactly moreso a digital manifestation and such
He looks strange with cybernetic attachments and that polygonal-ahh hair

That and it barely changes him too, literally just part of his head and his right hand

There are cheaper skins than that which do a whole lot more, like Coach Steven for 500 Gleamium compared to the 800 Cybernetic Smith

As well as literally every other 500 Gleamium Smith recolor some freakin' how (Shark excluded)

I think I like the Circuit Drone and Matrix Code skins the most but the rest of the recolors (Shark excluded) like Tooniverse and Afterlife also look good still

The neon colors compliment Smith's sleek design quite well in regards to the Circuit Drone skin, and of course no explanation needed for the Matrix Code skin I mean come on it's his franchise it only makes sense it looks the best on him LOL

[cloud night]

I only ask for the burning skin from the Revolutions movie. The rest will be a repainting of the same model or the adition of accessories like the shark or batman mask, it seems.

even the burning skill will be a repaint lol

maybe a yakuza dress with tatoos or a cowboy or a spacesuit may fit? Idk, hard to guess with a gun holder.

the suit is just perfect lol

oh, or the skin of his "human self"

[stark anvil]

Heck yeah please that would be awesome

[cloud night]

and the young skin of the 4th movie, but those two would require voice acting

[stark anvil]

As one of a very few amount of fans for Matrix 4 myself I honestly would be down with a Smith skin based on Bane lol

[cloud night]

I see, nice to know. I didn't hate the 4th, but i wanted the old Smith.... the years are heavy on the actor tho...

[civic juniper]

They would never do it but I would love if they made his suit turn into the colors of Gman from half life

Maybe lean into Sean Connery's James Bond and give him a white tuxedo

[hidden whale]

GMAN SKIN

[dull roost]

where

[hidden whale]

i want it

[dull roost]

oh lol 💀

[dull roost]

hit masters boys

now I sleep on 1v1 ranked till next season

vib champ with other characters

prob would of got there faster, but school and work goes hard.

🫡

[unreal coral]

Good stuff!

[elder yew]

Can we get Terroriser to voice a skin of his?

[dull roost]

Congrats on the torny

The smith money

🕶️

[cloud night]

Yeah! I saw Ogg and I got proud for some reason lmao

[unreal coral]

🕶️ 🫡

[civic juniper]

You played in a tournament? Nice man

[hidden whale]

bro did the impossible and cooked ppgs

[cloud night]

@unreal coral Where can we watch your tournament matches against Aeris? I saw the 0tds of the RRB and it seems only you defeated them. I need to see that, because when i got paired with Master Rank 1 PPG i had a hard time avoiding these instakill combos...

And congrats for this last tourney by the way 😉

[unreal coral]

@cloud night ty <3 also twitch.tv/frostesportsrl should have the vod (:

[cloud night]

Before the main Smith vs RRB, I believe that season characters should never be allowed to be played in tournaments. This game is meant for causals and is using players for saving time and money with the balance of the game, with the excuse that it is free and also that there is one character per month which is crazy for the devs, i guess.
Now, for the main event, i watched all Oog's matches and all Aeris' matches. I am afraid to say that after watching Smith vs RRB i didn't learn anything. Either the RRB played less aggressively, or the Smith was the perfect match agains those 0td combos. I felt that there was an impressive fast movement lead by Smith, so... the only thing that i may have learned is to put incredible pressure on the RRB for them not to start or follow the kill combo. I didn't watch the other games but i believe that Harley and Batman are agile enough to keep the same if not more speed of Smith. The matches i saw Smith vs these two were not as onesided as this last one with the RRB. There is something that bothers me, even if the RRB were broken with the combos...
Any thoughts about this @unreal coral ? Maybe Smith just has the ideal evasion for preventing that combo, in contrast with the rest?

Or maybe there is a 4D wall thingie

[hidden whale]

one important detail

i didn't watch full vod so feel free to correct

but oog had a better reaction and stability in his gameplay where even saiki panic dodged leading to tod

plus smith is well rounded and quick enough to prevent it especially with his approach methods

[cloud night]

yeah, maybe the rest were also panicking... that could explain things. But i also find it confusing that pro people enter a tourney without testing grounds will all possible 0tds. Oog was in freaking full controll all the freaking time. It was crazy lol

[hidden whale]

says a lot about these pros

say what you want, oog is one of my fav because he actually portrays skill even with a broken char like smith

( let s also count he played smith before the buffs )

[cloud night]

maybe they are good thanks to the unbalanced gimmicks instead of really training gameplay control... Idk

[hidden whale]

smith is really good at neutral which involves the most skill in a fighting game

[cloud night]

yeah... very.... "with precission" like

[hidden whale]

aeris defo

and fallzei too

most of them are carried by the chars

[cloud night]

i see

[hidden whale]

just look at how many pros switched to banana

or ppg

superman too

and harley

basically top 5

[cloud night]

well, all i see is people taking advantage of unbalance lol

[hidden whale]

indeed

that s why oog won the tourney rightfully

[cloud night]

like all people playing Falco or Fox in melee.... but here everything is unbalanced

[cloud night]

so, if we all were Smiths, do you believe that these nonsmiths would not have enough skills to be top?

[hidden whale]

i gotta grind 1s to rappresent jack in 1s as well, i only play 2s tourneys

[hidden whale]

the nonsmiths surely don't know the neutral play of smith

and what are his starters

his whiffs and best routes

[cloud night]

(watching Oog me neither)

[hidden whale]

smith is broken but skillfull at the same time, because he has the power AND the need to use a combo in the fitting scenario

you can't use the same combo you do in middle while you re near ledge

it s the same thing as Jack's mastery which is why i comprehend it

[cloud night]

that is why i love him. I liked Shaggy and Harley before because they reminded me of fighting game gameplay instead of full gimmicks. Then with Smith is full fighting with one gimmick (the sent agent)

Shaggy is too much gamechanging with the powerup and side special

[hidden whale]

yeah smith is well rounded and good

he has a very good reliable disjoint which he can attack, defend and play neutral with

and also start combos with

[cloud night]

yeah...

but then we encounter full gimmick users and we die lmao

[hidden whale]

depends

smith has the goated thing to shut down projectiles

holy moly talking so much about smith is making me want to play him again lmao

i prolly will

[cloud night]

ah, you being here i thought you secondmained him lol

[hidden whale]

i do

but am bringing jack to #1 in 2s

and kinda forgot how fun he was

[cloud night]

i see

that #1 sounds like a burnout path lol

we need to relax from time to time... and how else but #1 Smith hahaha

[hidden whale]

it is but hey atleast i achieve the gamer status

[hidden whale]

nahh that s impossible

[cloud night]

yeah it must be great and fulfilling to reach #1 with the char you like C:

[hidden whale]

unless somehow i beat oog with input lag

[hidden whale]

greatest feeling is beating the best team EU with it so it s not only a grind thing

u actually did do something

[cloud night]

"u wrecked others too" hahaha

i see

it feels like a whole different world

i am good being #250

from that onwards.. it is a hell of gimmicks

[hidden whale]

i am like #200 on smith

let s see if i can get more motivation for him

[cloud night]

yeah. Watch more Oogs videos and you will

[hidden whale]

surely lol

[unreal coral]

Don’t forget about those unbreakable morty grenades 🤣 (just use clone and it deletes them)

[dull roost]

the handsome anit got no skin this event boys. 😔

[undone slate]

3 events in a row we’re shafted

just means some crazy stuff is in season 4 for us smith mains

[slate ocean]

Rick mains in the corner:

[undone slate]

Rick mains in the corner with a Samurai/free event Cyberpunk director outfit

Not jealous or anything 👀

But in terms of creativity for agent smith they’ve made 1/4 of him a Robot or given him a party mask

[slate ocean]

ok yeah thats fair

[ancient ridge]

someone please tell me what are the best agent smith perks

[slate ocean]

5%/Hand_cannon - Snowball effect - Airwalker/2f2b/Speed force assist - Pugilist

This is the set I usually run, the third slot is the most flexible but smith doesn't really need anything from the third slot

[unreal coral]

5%, Snowball, Broken Wings, Pugilist for 1s

HandCannon, Snowball, Broken Wings/Speed Force Assist, Pugilist for 2s

That’s the set I personally use ^

[slate ocean]

I forgot broken wings existed im ngl

I'd probably use this if I remembered it exists ^

[unreal coral]

im hosting a king of the hill on my twitch if anyone is interested! $25 to whoever goes on a 10 streak first, Gorifye is currently on a 2 streak! :D https://twitch.tv/OogTheLegend

[civic juniper]

People actually use speed force assist? The boost seems really negligible to me...

[drifting osprey]

#clips message

hurr hurr

[unreal coral]

I personally don't, I use broken wings only

But in 2s since the maps are slightly bigger, that 5% is actually not terrible

[civic juniper]

That's the one that gives you an extra jump right

I've started using it for pretty much all characters cause it happens to me more often than you think

The problem is that removing the one green perk broke my perk currency economy

I have like 0 perk currency rn

[unreal coral]

Yup!

Awe that sucks :/

Sorry to hear that

[unborn cosmos]

So it isn’t just me who thinks smith’s jab is ridiculously obnoxious phew ok

[undone slate]

bait perk

[undone slate]

progression is rlly messed up if u didn’t grind ur ass off during the beta

[unreal coral]

Any Smiths participating in the challenge? What are the streaks lookin like? 🕶️

[undone slate]

challenge is kinda hard to do sometimes the recoridng just ends so u gotta vod it

• u gotta convert it into like 360p since the submission has to be under 5gb

gpu diff

[unreal coral]

yeah, I was on a good streak and then had to end it prematurely because my tourney started an hour earlier than I thought, I didn't even lose :/

[dull roost]

The handsome smiths

😎🫵

[cloud night]

how to evade Queen's constant air kicking?

hard to approach and hard to evade when you entered the loop

[unreal coral]

Who?

[hidden whale]

harley queen

[hidden whale]

try to use different techs

[cloud night]

like?

[hidden whale]

tech to left, right or neutral

[cloud night]

tech meaning evasion?

so it is a random thing

is she reads, youre done

also, the van of Velma can be escaped or is it impossible? I believe that with low damage you can escape soon, but... if you are with high damage it is instakill

and you cant always make the van to fall outside.

It is bothersome playing against Velma because you have to evade all range attacks and also destroy the lenses...

[cloud night]

kay i got it, even then it was tough...

[slate ocean]

If you go off stage the van jumps off

But I recommend you be a little high up

[cloud night]

yeah, we just have to keep in sight the van metter. No need to prevent her to catch the objects. Even then if you are too high she can prepare the van for you and thre you go lol

[unreal coral]

Smith has one of the easier ways to get away from Velma’s van, if you jump off stage and use one up special, the van will just fall (:

[cloud night]

yeah, while evading Velma too lol. I get your point. I just don't train much and i don't find many Velmas to try stuff...

[cloud night]

How can we approach a Black Adam? Like if he reads a bit his attacks just reaches...

[cloud night]

Gosh... i know that you may not care much but... i just reached rank Master. GOSH

im done with this game (till next week lol)

#139 Smith here

[unreal coral]

I care! Good stuff :D

[unreal coral]

Play patient and force them to be grounded. Punish that dair.

[cloud night]

I see... hard to switch between active and patient mode with this game... it depends on the opponent and you can't push your way through because of gimmicks, hitboxes and... lag (damn Arya... damn)

i really appreciate the hints

[dull roost]

Well done... you handsome smith.

🫵😎

[dull roost]

They love dair don't they.

😌

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

Looking up at black Adam's dair like

[unreal coral]

Indeed they do hehehe

[cinder moth]

😎

[dull roost]

😎

[cinder moth]

We need an agent smith emoji

[dull roost]

yeah

[dull roost]

ima get arya and smith in masters in season 4

and call it there

[cinder moth]

Gods speed my fellow smith

[dull roost]

yea thank you fellow handsome smith.

[unreal coral]

🕶️

[shy crescent]

How do u guys enjoy smith hes so braindead

[cloud night]

You may need to be as handsome as him to enjoy

[shy crescent]

Id prefer garnet anyways 😏

[slate ocean]

talk about braindead

[shy crescent]

funny coming from a rick main

[dull roost]

💀

[slate ocean]

ok bud

i respectfully disagree

[thin phoenix]

They turned this humble man into a top 2 character

Its sad

[dull roost]

he will always be the handsome smith.

🕶️

[brittle vector]

I'm late, but how do y'all feel about shields?

personally, I think they should've buffed parry before adding an entirely new mechanic

[dull roost]

do both

🕶️

[brittle vector]

it just feels like they decided to add shields to cater to Smash players, which makes no sense since they've wanted the game to fail since beta

parry was promoted to be THE defensive mechanic of MVS during S1, but everyone immediately realized how bad it was

[dull roost]

' -' I didnt hear nothing about them wanting the game to fail in beta. also If they make parrying more smooth I'm all for it. As well as parrying a projectile should reflect it, and should be a standard thing, not just a perk. which is really dumb. if they did that for example I would'nt care about shields anymore.

[brittle vector]

you're lucky then, because that's pretty much all I see on Twitter is doomposting from the Smash community

[thin phoenix]

Shields feel forced tbh

[brittle vector]

seems like they completely abandoned the parry mechanic in favor of trying to gain popularity

[dull roost]

thats just the smash community being jelly. they never want their game to die, ignore them.

whenever we get an update that trends or gets alot of attention

they appear outta no where

[brittle vector]

It doesn't bother me, but what does bother me is PFG listening to the wrong people

[dull roost]

they are a small crowd that wants to apear big, at this point.

yeah, they have being that fs. but atleast they are trying.

🤷‍♂️

some devs just be like

we will make things broken and jank so people and troll

why?

[undone slate]

imo forget the shields give smith his legendary

[dull roost]

community gives us money.

[dull roost]

you right

but yea, just look at for honor. they balance things poorly because the community gives them money for it. the community just wants to troll new players.

takes the skill out of a game.

my hope is pfg never goes down this path, even though it somewhat feels like that already. however this is why I promote more defensive options, to give lower tier characters a chance for counter play.

[brittle vector]

For Honor is probably in the best state it's ever been, that's not saying much though

[undone slate]

funny you say that i loaded up for honor the other week

rep 7 gladiator

[dull roost]

its a fun game with friends

I play it once in a blue moon.

[undone slate]

it’s too fast for me to keep up w nowadays

[dull roost]

I just used it as an example of a poor balancing system.

[undone slate]

with all the feinting and parry’s

[brittle vector]

it's not that hard once you understand the mixups and timing

[undone slate]

too guess heavy for me

[dull roost]

I can keep up with it, prob is all this characters be doing stuff that ignores parrys and I always be like what is even going on.

[brittle vector]

they're option selects, every fighting game has them

[dull roost]

does not feel good for new players unfortunately.

[brittle vector]

yeah, and it doesn't help that it's the only game of its kind

[dull roost]

I would'nt really call it a fighting game... I don't even call multiverse a fighting game. its more of a platform fighter.

[brittle vector]

I would describe it as 3rd Person Action PvP

[dull roost]

I can agree with that.

[brittle vector]

but my opinion on shields is that I'm not completely opposed to them, but I think PFG should've worked on fleshing out the parry system further before deciding to introduce them

from my understand the parry window in MVS is 3 frames when in most other games the window is 6-10 frames

[dull roost]

yea, I already agree'd with you on that one from before lol

I mean that would be huge

[undone slate]

do u guys know if shields queue is still active or not

[dull roost]

only on thursdays

its tragic I know

[undone slate]

Bruh

[dull roost]

who knows "this tuesday" we might get shields for good.

[undone slate]

Do u guys use gun cancels

[dull roost]

if not were just getting alot of hitbox improvements

[undone slate]

During like normal gameplay

[dull roost]

and fast speeds

[undone slate]

i don’t think smiths gonna be killed next patch

[brittle vector]

No, I don't use them

[undone slate]

You could argue Pfg’s never killed a character

[dull roost]

I do sometimes but not really.

I prefer having it up for catching rolls

[brittle vector]

Smith doesn't really need them to be successful, but it adds more depth to his moveset so I like it

[dull roost]

yee

[undone slate]

adds like 5% to his combos

p good since you can confirm into it off of down attack

[dull roost]

tbh they could make his chop move of a downward angle to make new combos, and gid rid of his jab loops be increasing invulerbility for tech rolls

since thats what he is all about at this point

[brittle vector]

chop, as in side air?

[undone slate]

#clips message

[dull roost]

yee, his sair.

[brittle vector]

I thought it did ground bounce already

[dull roost]

dude tryed to breathe

[undone slate]

im hoping they don’t touch sair too much imo it’s as broken of a move as jab

[dull roost]

it does, but I mean make it more consistent.

[undone slate]

they might just ignore smith in patch notes again

[dull roost]

idk why

people whine about him so much

tbh his loops are good but they don't rack up as much damage as characters that land one move and deal over 30

[undone slate]

his damage is fine his kill power isn’t reliable

[dull roost]

and other characters that have hit boxes way more obnoxious then us.

[undone slate]

his neutral boils down to gun

[dull roost]

I mean double uppercut is his best thing.

[dull roost]

yeah I agree with that.

[brittle vector]

I play Smith for his grab combos

[dull roost]

I just go for gun bounce set ups

[undone slate]

side special and up special are kinda butt moves

[dull roost]

I'm going for gun more then jab most of the time

[undone slate]

side special is kinda butt up special IS butt*

[brittle vector]

Gun might be the best disjoint in the game ngl

[dull roost]

and to think people whine about his side special

[undone slate]

it’s a gamble going for neutral attack half the time

landing side special with multi shot is literally rng half the time they fall out the gun before the 2/3rd shot

[dull roost]

jab uppercut--> into upair into jump sair --> into side special is one of my favorite follow ups.

last part is more of a string then a combo

the combos is what makes our boy good.

[brittle vector]

I hope they remove the ability to change the direction of jabs next season, there would be way more windows to punish if they did

[undone slate]

true #clips message

[dull roost]

LMAO

I be there done that too players

they need to fix the auto tech roll

let players do it manually, but the 2nd bounce will always auto tech.

[undone slate]

Teching is so lazily implemented imo

[dull roost]

and give it more invul.

yeah, I hated auto tech roll when It came out

I thought it was stupid

i was like wow, people are going to get looped

[undone slate]

Half of teching’s lifespan in this game had the auto tech flinging them off for a ring out

[dull roost]

yeah

[undone slate]

on the destructible stages with the side obstacles iirc

[dull roost]

just give it more invul at this point idc anymore. people won't feel as bad about getting punished with the tech roll if they get more time to think.

[undone slate]

What’s funny is that Smith’s damage is mediocre but the auto tech and combos just add up at the end

[dull roost]

I was laughing my butt off, when I smacked a WW near ledge just to watch them auto tech roll bug into the blast zone.

[dull roost]

thats what I was saying before

our damage is so little compared to others that we need it

players are probably just salty seeing themselfs get smacked arround in a long combo.

whatever dude

[undone slate]

Smith is perfectly balanced rn imo if they don’t nerf him next season he’s never gonna get nerfed and he’ll equalize out like WW has

[dull roost]

yeah, I'm fine with that.

tbh arya is going to need some better armor breaking moves

been playing her for awhile and thought about it.

[undone slate]

Dash attack is alright but i don’t think they would add any armor break to her moves considering her down special gives her armor break

[dull roost]

yeah

I mean ive been abusing that move

I need to get better at using it against ww I think

[undone slate]

Smith looks pretty good in a shield meta with grab and his shield attack being down attack

[dull roost]

maybe give it lower cooldown

yeah, i love it

arya prob would be too, considering she gets a free armor break move on any move, making it safer on shield

maybe I just need to get better at using arya down special

[undone slate]

the only other character i play in ranked other than smith is Ppg but i used to main Arya when the game had barely any “desirable” characters

[dull roost]

and I'm just bad with her

lol

[undone slate]

Arya just suffers in the meta bc her weight

Speaking of which Smaller characters crush smith

[dull roost]

I just play Smith, Arya, Beetle juice, and prob harley pretty soon.

arya struggles but I love her combos and her kirbo ability

[undone slate]

Beetlejuice is fun but i don’t have the time to dedicate into learning his moveset and strings like that

[dull roost]

so I put up with it.

[dull roost]

he is a smith with range attacks

jab down tilt

[undone slate]

True

But unlike Smith it’s a gamble whether a moves gonna hit with Beetle for me

[dull roost]

fair enough

i stepped away for a sec mb

what I do with beetle

if I whif a jab

like smith we can uppercut away

beetle can use grounded upspecial

to throw a beetle out for safty

on whiff

its a similar little safty trick

[quiet magnet]

plays jack
gets matched up with a smith
he kills me at 80 with a jab+jab+downtilt+side special, with the hand cannon perk
salts me

Wtf is this game even about

Like im fine with loosing against the meta but why salt

[quiet magnet]

No way I just beat him

[dull roost]

Okay what do you want us to do about it.

💀

[unreal coral]

I wouldn’t say his neutral boils down to gun. His jab is definitely way more centralized than gun.

[undone slate]

that’s a given tho

[shy crescent]

Exactly why he’s braindead

[brittle vector]

why are you pretending like toxicity doesn't exist in EVERY fighting game?

I can't with this community sometimes, it's just full of losers

"Like I'm fine with losing against meta but why salt?" 🤓

BECAUSE IT'S APART OF THE GAME, GET OVER IT

[dull roost]

People gotta complain about something to make it through the day. 🤷‍♂️

People drop the salt amount on me I just be like. "Fuq." Or I t-bag with em.

Can't win em all.

A Handsome smith has spoken. 🕶️

[cloud night]

"We're not here because we're free; we're here because we're not free. There's no escaping reason, no denying purpose, for as we both know, without salt we would not exist." -Smith

[dull roost]

😮

[dull roost]

Handsome smiths, yall like the profile pic my brother drew for me.

😎

[cloud night]

oh yeah! It seems like a Matrix comic illustration 😎

[quiet magnet]

This is way beyond toxicity. Smith already being the most broken character in the game + playing toxic with him? This playerbase is just Mindblowing

[quiet magnet]

I dont care if that makes me a loser lol

[dull roost]

It think what the issue is that is that your coming to the smith channel to cope, when it's not our fault that the person trolled you happened to be a smith player, and maybe you were hoping that guy would see your message. Sorry but nothing but a bunch handsome smiths here. We ain't do nutin.

🕶️

[severe patio]

Miracle nerfs in 3 days 😭

[quiet magnet]

I usually find most players here so it was worth a shot honestly

[quiet magnet]

Carrykopia

[dull roost]

🙄

Our character gets buffed and everyone hates the handsome smith. Unfortunate.

🤷‍♂️

[quiet magnet]

Saying it like thats not the same case for every other character

But I never said I hate the meta lol

[dull roost]

But in fact it is. 😌 when a character isn't broken and is not annoying to fight against, that character is less likely to be dislike. But they get put on top and now everyone looks at them like the bad guy. 🤷‍♂️

We can't even have our own opinions with out people raising pitch forks and torches. 😞

But yeah, in the honest reality I doubt there will be a toxic boyo like that, that shows up around here regularly. They are more likely to be paying attention to general.

Most of the smiths here that even show up are vibechamps.

🕶️

[cloud night]

Do you really believe that people would fill competitive only with WW, HQ, Batmans, Bannanas and Iron Giants if Smith were also a meta breaker? We are not Jake, nor we rely on cheese. We are full fletched competitive players that rely on skills (at least the skills that this game allows), and Smith is one of the most precise (if not the most) that requires more practice for accurately hitting others. When other's gimmicks have gigantic hitboxes or multiple hitboxes or long cooldown hitboxes(they stay too long active), Smith has only one long(the agent), one mid(the side shot special) and the rest full close range. This means that we have to move, evade and predict twice as much as other characters. So when you find a high ranking Smith, you don't play against a spammer, you play against a good player (usually coming from other real fighting games without unbalanced and unhealthy gimmicks). Or at least, this is my opinion of the matter. I hope that this can clarify some of your doubts and you can keep enjoying the game, even against us 😎

Also, i don't like the salt emote either...

[quiet magnet]

Who said I dont have fun against smith or any other metas

[cloud night]

Sometimes i have a fair fight, a very close one, and the rival ends with a salt emote. This breaks my respect

[quiet magnet]

Smith and shaggy could easily be countered if you ignore clashing with them on the ground. One dc jab and your getting comboed to 80.

[cloud night]

to 40 and then double it if your evasion is read. This also happens with other characters, but most of the players rely on the gimmicks only

[quiet magnet]

Most Smith techs are pretty much unescapable so i'd say 50/60 on average, and a kill confirm(jab jab downtilt side B) from 70 to 90 with the sweet Spot perk(somehow)

[undone slate]

ur playing to lose if ur running hand cannon

[quiet magnet]

Yeh that guy lost lol, but that kill Confirm Was still pretty weird

[cloud night]

when you are thrown with the downtilt outside the stage you have to go down quickly. If you recover fast enough, you hace Smith in your hands for some seconds, but the usual reaction is to go outside the edge and jump, and thus you eat the side B.

[quiet magnet]

Its actually pretty funny how countering dc jab can win the game for you. Its like he'll be mid tier without it

[quiet magnet]

I got hit with the side B while stunned

[cloud night]

unless you have high damage, you can evade this combo early on

[quiet magnet]

It wasnt a read move

[undone slate]

because he is pretty mid tier without down tilt ground bounce imo

[quiet magnet]

Its weird how they only put the downward angle for downtilt on some of the characters and not the characters that should have it, like jack's downtilt was supposed to have that angle according to the trailer, but they scrap that and give it to shaggy or smith instead.

[quiet magnet]

Not just that, uptilt nair special too.

[cloud night]

whatever the case, Panty, that combo that you are talking about is not cheese. You may have had bad luck or something with the inertia that allows the other Smith to hit you early on, but usually this is not the case. When i played against pro players, they would evade this combo early on, so i had to rely on making more damage first for side B to hit

[quiet magnet]

They should add it to every bruiser

[quiet magnet]

Not bad luck, typical ledge tech. They could fix these loops with adding the tech from smash honestly

You get teched, then you have a Brief moment to choose if you want to get up or not. Hitting the Player after that would be the real tech read not whataever is in the game rn

[cloud night]

Well, sometimes it works on the first bounce

idk how but some people do evade in the first bounce, escaping my combo

anyways, venting about this in a broken game won't reach you anywere, even less with us, handsome Smiths

[dull roost]

Boys I've been wondering. Is there not a agent smith legit discord yet?

Maybe we could set one up together for combo discussions. Or something.

There's an Arya one but haven't heard talk about a smith discord.

If there is one, that's pretty good. I'd like to join. 🕶️

[unreal coral]

I got you with the link 🕶️

[dull roost]

Noice.

🕶️

[dull roost]

seen yo doing that youtube video discussing the handsome smith. we need more guides for people tbh.

good stuff

[cloud night]

i found one but its empty. Maybe its you guys creating it?

[dull roost]

Oog invited me already

I can send you the link

there was one already

[undone slate]

It’s a desert in there ngl 🕶️

[dull roost]

yeah it is

I was like bruh

there needs to be a combo section

[undone slate]

Funny that marvin has the most active character disc

[dull roost]

💀

[cloud night]

is it legion?

[dull roost]

nop

[cloud night]

oh

[dull roost]

if people are more active in that one

send me the link

I'll join

[unreal coral]

What is legion??? 👀

[cloud night]

idk i searched for "Agent Smith discord server" and it appeared one of Smith called Legion. With 0 people or 0 likes

[undone slate]

Nah that’s a glitch in the matrix

[dull roost]

Dam, looks a squad of smiths already got to them.

[cloud night]

whatevrr the case i need to spar with u guys someday. I need to learn those moves and also experience them

[undone slate]

Pause

[dull roost]

💀

[cloud night]

lol i am being honest

[dull roost]

Bro playing Arya against ww is painful

[stark anvil]

Yeah they have a good point it's not our fault Smith is """busted"""

Besides most of us have been playing Smith since Season 1, myself included

We're not exactly abusing him because we've been playing him regardless of him being hot garbage in the past and only did Season 3 give him some love in the buffing department

I think it's his fluidity that makes me appreciate him, like how a lot of his moves have him constantly floating and sliding about, it's very fun.

[slate ocean]

to me his moveset feels very intuitive

[dull roost]

The swag down air and gun is why I like him. And he is matrix man.

The handsome smith.

[mint loom]

smith emote in the prestige shop

[cloud night]

why did they make an emote of him removing his glasses AND putting new ones back?

i thought that it was going to be permanent in battle like Shaggy without shirt of Jack with the bandana in the eyes... makes no sense lol

[undone slate]

because smith mains deserve to cry and have nothing good

[civic juniper]

I don't even see any Smith players these days 😭

Agent Smith feels like Beetlejuice in that they are this super hyped character that is only relevant for the season they release in and then no one plays them anymore

[cloud night]

because if you are Smith player you have to learn how to play, and not just spam whatever in this game

[cloud night]

hm... it feels like that not gonna lie lol

[civic juniper]

That's not what I meant but ok

[cloud night]

you say : "almost no Smiths players"
i say the reason about why nobody likes to play Smith in general

you have to be very precise and learn how to move to hit. That is how Smith works

Shaggy is the "easy Smith" in the way that you can combo and kill easily without needing much more. The rest has high hitboxes or range that feels like AOE in some cases. Those are very fun to play because they just hit lol

[lime vale]

Wish Smith got some more skins but it's understandable why him and Jason don't have a lot and it's mainly cause its difficult to come up with ideas

[cloud night]

there has to be a timelimit for making skins and so a limit for the skins that are made. I believe that this being the case, they put effort in the skins of the characters that are more popular. Else i don't know why they stopped doing like with the dron or beetlejuice event. Last season we received Batman's skins for everybody, but the rest of events were very closed in terms of character variety. The hypergalactic skins should have been for everybody imo. Its a recolor, no need to paint anything else like with los muertos.

Mid season characters are receiveng poor treatment with skins right now

[lime vale]

Isn't Nubia getting a skin next season with the Trigon event?

[cloud night]

yep

if what we saw is all that we get, there will be 5-6 skins per event this season

and some repeats like Joker lol

lets see what we have next season i guess...

this Smith is not happy

[lime vale]

Jason I know is probably difficult to create skins for due to his licenses

[cloud night]

he is doing alright for now. He has more skins than Smith for example

more than Jake

some characters are just left aside lol

Finn has lots of skins, and Jake is from the same franchise and has less

lets not talk about the girls... they are literally dressing dolls lol

it is not about design ideas... it has to be something else.... like the times of making skins and the popularity and so on...

[lime vale]

Kinda like how Garnet has a lot more skins then Steven does. Steven outside of recolor only has like 4 skins

[cloud night]

reindog is just a dog and is receiving pretty original skins

[cloud night]

yeah

[undone slate]

We lived 🍻🍻🍻🍻

[lime vale]

Mostly hitbox changes so funky hits don't happen

[dull roost]

👏

Yeah the changes don't look so bad

Worst is we lost dtilt combos maybe

Which is not really bad.

[swift trellis]

Not 100% true, gun cancel is gone, meaning 0td is gone (which is a good thing), but a big nerf to his strength. Somehow jab 1 is unchanged

[cloud night]

Lets see how this new speed and short jump helps us with new combos

[lime vale]

I can't wait for Grab Shorthop grab to be true

[dull roost]

NO MORE SMITH DTILT LOOPS

we gotta depend on gun loops now boys!

just start getting used to upper cut dair/ Uppercut neutral special.

and we will be fine

[brittle vector]

down attack still ground bounces

it's just inconsistent as all hell

they should've just left it

[cloud night]

yeah, sometimes it connects, sometimes it doesn't. Whatever the damage.

sometimes low damage doesn't connect, sometimes high damage does connect. The bounce feels random now

[dull roost]

I'm not really going to depend on it unless I miss the chance for jab 1 into uppercut

it would be more consistent for other stuff.

[idle apex]

what’s agent smith best perks

[dull roost]

5%

snow ball

broken wings are prett good

and pug

[median grotto]

always make a second set replacing snow ball with sturdy dodger

[lime vale]

When we getting an Agent Smith skin that gives his suit red stripes

[dull roost]

I'm trying to not get heated at the hitboxes boys

but man

I just want the game to do good

so its making me fumble

[cloud night]

it is true that now some attacks just don't hit... but the gameplay feels more fresh and in control. Lets see if after some training we can get the hang of this

@dull roost i did improve by a lot just with some training with the hints you gave me, and some other tests with the new physics. Thank you!

the dtilt combo is not so good anymore in the end 😅

[civic juniper]

Waiting for the day they give us a suit resembling Gman's suit from Half Life

Mr Freeman.

[dull roost]

The handsome practice.

Yeah the speed feels nice.

Im just mad because I know people are going to be unhappy.

It's not good for the games future

[dull roost]

I'll take any outfit aslong as its not a reskin. shooottt.. dress smith up as a clown. I'll use it.

[civic juniper]

An aloha shirt in the summer would be nice

[dull roost]

I wanted that for a long time. 🗿

at this point the devs hate us. but refuse to nerf us. I'm tired of this love hate relationship of being on top with no drip. 🗿

[cloud night]

Yeah, it feels like they are afraid to touch Smith's suit... It is a pity.

If they don't give Smith new original skins (sorry cyborg Smith you are not...), it may be because they can't or something. It is not difficult to analyze the character and give him an appropiate change. For example:
1-He is like a security guard in the first movie: security and guard are two labels to start with brainstorming. A knight armor or a spatial suit fits.
2-He is like a free software and a virus in the later movies: renegade and clone are two labels again. A bandit with ragged clothes or a ninja.

There you go in a moment.

also the 4th movie skin, and also the 3rd movie human version and the burning skin, and also the "Smith"(not agent) skin without earplug nor glasses (it is a pity that they will not be able to do this anymore thanks to this new lame emote. If the skin has no glasses, the emote becomes a glitch... epic fail)

[dull roost]

Yee

[shell tendon]

Doesn't the ppg emote do something different if you use the rowdy rough boys?

[cloud night]

Nope, same emote, same bones, same animation.

the only new animations are the start of the match and the win and lose animations

now we won't be getting a glassesless Smith lmao

[cloud night]

i feel like i don't hit much now... is this just me?

[shell tendon]

damn, them saying the emote would be different cause the boys wouldnt sit down and colour was the one thing i remember from that preview stream and they just didn't do it. crazy

[cloud night]

wow imagine creating variants of emotes just for some skins... that is pentakill

[lament jacinth]

on legendary skins where the emote doesn't fit because its a separate character it seems reasonable.

They could just make the emote not work with the skin like Shaggy's shirt rip not working with a bunch of his skins for a long while. But also, since he's a program, they could just make it spawn a pair of glasses to throw down. Not that big of a deal.

[cloud night]

Lets pray for that yes lol

[civic juniper]

The glasses don't even permanently come off

That was a rip off

[cloud night]

exactly...

[civic juniper]

They should add a taunt where he does the laugh from the third movie

Though it may seem out of character for those who haven't seen the movies

[cloud night]

lmao that could be amazin XD

kind of like the Arya laught emote

[civic juniper]

https://youtu.be/hfrWchX5rAU

[dull roost]

The handsome smith. . .

[dull roost]

bro, we didnt even do anything. I'm maining raven and smith

why not just stop maining a hard character like raven and play smith

if the heat is too much

🕶️

Become handsome.

then keep being mad I guess. we can't help you, don't be mad at someone for picking a character and playing the game, otherwise no one will care.

its not frame 1, now you just over exaggerating. its fast but shesh, chillax

Sorry you got emoted on by some random smith and lost bucko.

🕶️

[median grotto]

Someone is salty

k

Oh wait

Jake player

Of course they're salty

I'm not the one getting cooked

Clearly you are if you're yapping your head off

[dull roost]

o_o

bro mad as hell, what the.

I picture this. "YalL GeniUnElY ThInK YaLL GooD?" (SNORT SNORT). 🤓

meanwhile the smiths.

😎

[wicked imp]

I guarantee that Agent Whiff here will continue to play Smith even after heavy nerfs

[dull roost]

you right

[wicked imp]

Also, what does it matter what tier your character is in relation to another?

If you’re good enough at the game, you can cook with anyone

Put the salt shaker down for a second

Crying for nerfs isn’t going to do anything

[dull roost]

🗿

[wicked imp]

Constructive criticism and feedback is what will help the game

I for instance mentioned that tech chasing was too easy because it was far too easy to cover every option on reaction. My proposed change was to increase the tech roll distance slightly and they did exactly that

[median grotto]

Jake players don't know what either "Constructive" nor "Criticism" means

They'd rather act like oppressed people than be rational

[dull roost]

🤨

Bro said womp womp. This dork.

Someone needs to touch grass.

😎

[median grotto]

Who is?

I'm literally playing Arya on Arena

I haven't played smith today

[dull roost]

That's what I'm saying I'm playing raven right now, I'll get to smith after I get raven in masters. Or play some 2s. 💀

👆 this guy does not know

[median grotto]

They lack the critical information

[wicked imp]

I thought he was a b tier character? Did your opinion suddenly change within the span of like 20 minutes?

[cloud night]

omg NerfJake was one of those that trolled saying that the servers were up during maintenance or something like that... imagine the seriousness lol

[unreal coral]

Hello there, mind telling me what’s wrong? I’m genuinely confused, I always experienced smith players being very open and honest about him. He is extremely busted, Top 1 in 1s since 3.5 onwards and Top 5 before that. But this isn’t new? Smiths don’t downplay (from my experiences)

[dull roost]

We already know he is broken. 🗿 you just kept getting mad us for no reason.

[civic juniper]

It's all about me me me...

🕶️

[lime vale]

Like I will admit some of his stuff kinda hits stupid but compared to most of the other characters smith isn't that crazy

[undone slate]

they be mad like pfg had all agent smith players in the balancing room

[cloud night]

That would be a succesful Smith viralization. I hope this happens someday, and all PFG staff ends up with black suits, angled sunglasses and a Desert Eagle pistol.

[median grotto]

it was all just Smith clones

[thin phoenix]

Wdym Smith is top 1

He is the best character rn

No doubt

[cloud night]

um... how is this true? Just because Oog exists?

[thin phoenix]

Can we stop downplaying pls?

No its not

Its because of his jab

His bread and butter kill comfirms at 90

And his free 30 dmg combos out of jab

His main problem is his jab

Oh btw it doesnt have whiff at all

[cloud night]

So the only thing he has to start making real damage... Finn has the stab and the up swing that once it touches, the combo starts and may kill in certain circumstances. Harley can start comboing you with her side air. Iron Giant has (or had idk now) a pretty combo that does lots of damage in ground and another that is almost cheese. Batman was a bit nerfed but can do heavy damage with a few hits, and the uair is still very fast and big. Idk, a character is very good if it is well played. I am not the best but i played against Gran Masters and they did a very good job destroying my Smith. So... if Smith is top 1 when you play as a pro or as a god, then the rest of mortals won't have any problem, right?

[thin phoenix]

Bruh why does every top tier player have the same argument bruh

[cloud night]

what? i am not top tier buddy lmao

i just learned basic Smith combos

[thin phoenix]

"If he is top 1 why dont why win every match"

[thin phoenix]

"Top tier player" u play a top tier

Thats what i mean

[thin phoenix]

Why dont i*

"No he needs it its part of his kit"

[cloud night]

that is confusing... you meant top tier character player, else you are focusing on the word "player"

[thin phoenix]

why are you discussing this?

[cloud night]

to explain the confusion

[thin phoenix]

Ok i guess?

[cloud night]

and why are you discussing this?

[thin phoenix]

Smith is away better than Finn too

[cloud night]

why are you so triggered with Smith?

[thin phoenix]

Like

Away better

[cloud night]

okay so what is your main?

[thin phoenix]

Morty

What are u gonna say? Oh i camp and run away

I use dirt

[cloud night]

well... it is true that lately Morty is not as bothersome for Smith as it was...

maybe that is why you are triggered?

[thin phoenix]

Morty cant kill at all im lowkey tweakin

I lost a match cuz Mortys jab 3 didnt kill Tom n Jerry (an light charactwr) at 150 at the ledge

And jab 3 was fully charged btw

[cloud night]

mmm.... i can't help you with T&J lmao

[thin phoenix]

Its not because of TnJ

Its Morty kill power in general

Its too low

But still

[cloud night]

okay, so it is not about Smith either

[thin phoenix]

Smith is a top 1 character

I stand my opinion

[cloud night]

... okay...

[thin phoenix]

Wait

[cloud night]

a Morty main will know better Smith than a Smith player i guess

[thin phoenix]

Is it just me or every character got to level 0

[cloud night]

reload the game

sometimes the UI breaks

i haven't opened it today tho...

[dull roost]

👀

[cinder moth]

Yo I was facing a Banana Guard and they were messin me up. Any advice on the match up?

[cloud night]

I can't kill consistently with Smith anymore. These new physics are ridiculously fast for some characters

now big hitboxes users can approach faster and also make you miss while they hit

[hidden whale]

use cannon + jab into uptilt and uptilt dc in the air

[cloud night]

cannon without the cannon perk i guess? and what is uptilt "dc"?

[hidden whale]

hand cannon perk

uptilt dc is dodge cancel

[cloud night]

ah, right

[hidden whale]

side air offstage also works smooth

[cloud night]

but with the perk you cannot combo after using the gun

[hidden whale]

that s a useless combo tbh

the best combo is always jab 1 - uptilt into nspec down and continue

[cloud night]

yes, but people are getting used to this. Also now the Smith combo with downtilt ends throwing randomly so side special cannot connect true like before

[cloud night]

i find it hard to connect. Maybe my reflexes are not for this kind of pace. We are fast now, but others are too.

[hidden whale]

dtilt is useless now

[hidden whale]

nah it s doable u just gotta lab

[cloud night]

hm... i guess... i find it ridiculous that i have to learn new physics for a fighting game after playing some months, but that its how things are. I don't have that much time and motivation, but i will try from time to time. Thank you very much for the tips!

[hidden whale]

trust the physics arent that much of an issue ( my point of view but since u re more of a beginner i guess that could change ) but u can work much better now, np dont be afraid to ask for more

[cloud night]

i played since day 1 but i am not a hard player lmao. I may play 1-2h at most each 1 or 2 days, lol

[hidden whale]

oh i see

[cloud night]

anyways, thanks. I may need some tips from time to time, also against Jack lol Before we could just play vertical but now with the fast pace and his big hitboxes Jack has a 2D play. No holes.

[hidden whale]

yeah talking as the antagonist here it s kinda true

only thing is that now kills are very hard to do

and his uptilt got endlag so its more punishable now

but, smith is one of the few chars that can actually beat Jack's jab and also get a lot more for it

[cloud night]

how? forward dc to jab with Jack is almost unavoidable

[hidden whale]

jump

[cloud night]

it doesnt connect if we jump?

[hidden whale]

not at all

that connected 2 seasons ago

[cloud night]

oh... visuall it is not possible, but maybe the hitboxes are fu

[hidden whale]

it s still very fast and covers a lot of space but defo not as scary

[cloud night]

well, i learned something great then lmao

[hidden whale]

maybe am wrong but it s still avoidable by either double jumping or dodge away

[cloud night]

dodge is useless, the second neutral reaches

[hidden whale]

if u dodge away or upwards it shouldn't

or atleast doesn't work for me

[cloud night]

well, it depends on the possition i guess

small maps are a hell for that

[hidden whale]

yeah

i d say bait his uptilt and punish

and when he does his combos, DI away

unless you re against a good jack, good jacks will read your mind

[cloud night]

yeah....

[hidden whale]

in that case use side air, gun and jab

those are your best disjoints and quick options

[cloud night]

i have to practice for hitting with the new physics. Now i fail like a lot (and sometimes i hit visually and it doesn't connect...)

[hidden whale]

yeah short hops

[dull roost]

How is the many handsome smiths doing. . .

🕶️

[cloud night]

Not hansdome enough, me

[dull roost]

once a handsome smith always a handsome smith.

🗿

[cloud night]

Any way to evade the anoying ping pong of Tom?

[wicked imp]

What do you mean by ping pong?

[cloud night]

The up attack

[civic juniper]

Wanting a new variant....

They should give him a white suit and play it off like a James Bond type suit

[median grotto]

you don't

you literally stall it until they're done or you projectile it

[wicked imp]

T&J players will mainly use it to whiff punish since the scoop hitbox is decently disjointed. If you get hit, you should always try to DI away on the final hit. On whiff, the move has a decent amount of whiff lag, but T&J can move with it making it harder to whiff punish. Generally, you don’t want to be above T&J because the paddle and uair are good anti-air attacks. At the bare minimum, if they whiff, you should try to take some stage control. But if you’re in a position to punish, you can maybe use dodge jab or side special. Otherwise, just let them do it and take stage control as they corner themselves.

[cloud night]

.... i don't know what to think anymore. Horizontal is bad because of Jerry and the big hammer hitbox, and vertical is bad because of the paddle thingie

Maybe im tired. Maybe there are too many pros. Maybe the new physics are too much for my eyes. This season i feels like i am playing really bad, in comparison to the previous season.

[slate ocean]

di up and away if you get caught

[jovial gorge]

idk if it's my matchmaking or if it's just me but ever since i picked up superman i've been feeling... off with smith

i'm able to pop off hard but idk if i might continue to learn him bc i feel much more confident with other playstyles. i think i like having a bit more range

[tidal warren]

Just wanted to come in here and say your jab is busted

Have a nice day. 👍🏾

[dull roost]

what was the server down for yall?

opps ment to say it in general

[civic juniper]

Finally added the Foghorn Leghorn announcer pack

[cinder moth]

🕶️

[cinder moth]

🕶️🦶👀🕶️

[dull roost]

what

I don't think anyone round here said handsome feet

[hidden whale]

alright guys

i didnt know this for a long time but

if clone gets absorbed by ur teammate, u can use down b again to tp to ur teammate

cool stuff

[tidal warren]

#clips message

Ey yo Smith players how it feel to share the same tier as Shaggy XD

[slate ocean]

he's right

[dull roost]

I hate that red skin for smith

🗿

Seeing our boy Oog use it makes me melt.

🫠

[cloud night]

Sacrifices to speed up exp gain...

(or maybe he likes it)

[dull roost]

smith is so chad

[rugged chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyE5_Nu4338&ab_channel=TheValhallanOrder

Just leaving this here

For anyone who thinks Smith is bad

Which I don't think many here do

But for the random people who may find this

[tidal warren]

Bro died from 0 off jab

[rugged chasm]

Yes, yes he did

[tidal warren]

We legit in the matrix cause this can't be real

[dull roost]

The handsome chadsmith.

[slate ocean]

this is pre patch

but your point still stands

[median grotto]

They changed the jab?

[swift trellis]

has anyone else tested or am I crazy, dont feel very diff lol

[hidden whale]

u guys are gutted

[waxen timber]

You guys can't jab into up attack anymore

[hidden whale]

jab into uptilt is not true anymore

[lunar prawn]

W smith nerfs

[stark anvil]

That's gonna take some getting used to.

[undone slate]

Yea this characters cooked

[stark anvil]

We can still make him work, right?

[hidden whale]

unsure

[undone slate]

Im just gonna play a character that wont have 5 different iterations depending on the season

[hidden whale]

jab - uptilt ( if u hit it ) - nspec down into jab also is not true anymore

[stark anvil]

HAHAH that's a good way to describe Smith

It seems he feels slightly different each season

[hidden whale]

this will be hard to recover from, this is the worst state smith has been

[undone slate]

launch - busted
1st patch - mid
season 3 patch - broken af
season 4.25 - mega ass

[wicked imp]

Sorry guys. You had a good run, but PFG doesn’t want anyone to have combos

[undone slate]

no dtilt no utilt

in 2025 smith longest combo will be j1 j2 j3

[wicked imp]

Hey, that’s just like Shaggy

[undone slate]

in the club we all fam

in bruiser hell now

time to get micro buffed over 5 seasons like garnet :P

< #1 marceline

[wicked imp]

Now that Shaggy utilt got nerfed again for the 4th time, he can only jab jab up special or jab jab stomp

[wicked imp]

It’s a constant cycle of seeing every bruiser get nerfed to have no combos and only random kill moves

[median grotto]

Man...
Jab into uptilt was like, the thing actual Smith players were able to do

[wicked imp]

L change imo

[median grotto]

now all Smith can get from jab is like

Neutral attack once at certain percentage

and then it's just mash jab from then

[wicked imp]

They should’ve just added like 5 more frames of whiff to Smith jab and nerfed his kill power with moves like nair

[median grotto]

Down and neutral special should've been the actual targets if you wanted to keep Smith down until a future balance patch

but this just streamlines every Smith main good and bad to do the same thing

[undone slate]

they kept sair the same tho

[median grotto]

it doesn't make him any weaker, just more mashy

[undone slate]

we will abuse fast fall da & fast fall sair

and hope tony lets us randomly combo dtilt into jab sometimes

[wicked imp]

This is how Shaggy feels. Even watching Brian Yi in Bhands tournament, he literally just runs away the entire game and fishes for nair and jab because that’s all Shaggy has left

[undone slate]

in 2025 there will only be garnet vs arya match ups

[wicked imp]

It looks like we’re rapidly approaching the assassin meta

[undone slate]

games frustrating with these changes they dont serve to balance the character

[wicked imp]

Harley, Arya, Finn, PPG, etc are all pretty much gonna be better than all the bruisers now

[undone slate]

ppg stun side special's been in the game since s3 launch funny

[wicked imp]

When shields inevitably drop, the mages will fall off a cliff

[hidden whale]

or jack!

[undone slate]

i gotta play some smith before i can consider him the first mvs relaunch character "gutted"

[wicked imp]

True. Jack also lame as hell because they removed his combos

[hidden whale]

removed, he never had any in the first place

[undone slate]

shaggy jack smith and bron got ass blasted

with poor changes

[wicked imp]

It’s almost like the issue isn’t the combos but instead is the random kill moves that just kill at 60

The problem with Jack was literally just prepatch rage side special being the freest edgeguard

[hidden whale]

my issue is that there s no dmg scaling for combos thus making them broken

[undone slate]

smith's gameplan was centered more around his combos than killpower and we get gutted

is there dmg scaling in another plat?

that soujnds interesting

[hidden whale]

unsure

[wicked imp]

I don’t think so

[hidden whale]

but it should get added

in fighterz it s there

and it really clutches some op combos

[wicked imp]

The only damage scaling is stale moves which exists in most platform fighters including MVS

[undone slate]

mvs team says dont invest ur time in a character

[hidden whale]

which is a lot diff and useless in this situation

[undone slate]

30 rifts season 1 btw

[wicked imp]

I will still play Shaggy no matter how lame he becomes

[stark anvil]

I'm gonna stick with Smith regardless

[undone slate]

i was cheesed when they removed dtilt and air gun cancels but it was reasonable

[stark anvil]

I'm a fan of his playstyle and I love all four Matrix movies

[hidden whale]

same for jack until marceline release

[wicked imp]

It’s really looking like they just want people to play the new character which makes sense, but hard nerfing everyone who’s good and then releasing generally strong newcomers is not the play

The only exceptions to that are Jason and to a lesser extent, Nubia

[hidden whale]

not even about that, they just literally nerfed smith too hard

[hidden whale]

and every dc

[wicked imp]

I was talking about specifically newcomers

[hidden whale]

ohh right

[wicked imp]

Joker released insanely strong

Smith was a solid high tier borderline top tier at release

PPG was top tier at release

Raven is a clear high tier borderline top tier but is just difficult to use

[hidden whale]

i mean that s most games but then i want them playable not trash after an update

[wicked imp]

Jack was insanely OP in 2v2 when he released

[hidden whale]

and Jason omega bad

[wicked imp]

They’ve got the League buff/nerf style going on now

[undone slate]

they got August over at PFG

[hidden whale]

yeah, which is ass

[undone slate]

hell nah

tbh just put smith in 2xko

[wicked imp]

Who?

[undone slate]

Riot august manages the league of legends balance patches and hes notoriously ass

at his job lol

[wicked imp]

It’s just like VoiD warned about. They’re over-nerfing characters and removing the cool aspects about each of them with no compensation as a means to “balance” the game

He made that video when they removed Stripe gun cancel

And now more and more cool combo routes are being snuffed

I hate how their philosophy is remove it instead of balance it

[undone slate]

put utilt on cooldown for all i care

removing combo routes feels so bad for the player

with no compensation buffs

jason now has more combos than smith

[wicked imp]

The only changes Smith needed were a nerf to the whiff of his jab 1, and a nerf to the kill power of nair and maybe nerf the on hit cancel of uair to make it harder to get uair into gun off the top

[wicked imp]

Jason has more combos than Shaggy

[undone slate]

and sair kb nerf + move lockout

[wicked imp]

Sure that too I guess