Agent Smith

[flint grail]

"wasted potential" crew when they play smith for 5 minutes (he's the most fun character in the game)

[red knot]

Fr

[flint grail]

legitimately peak, rewards skilled play, takes actual skill and actually gets payoff for having said skill

and is actually balanced

[hidden whale]

yeaa

[mint loom]

He really is tbh

Most fun character

[flint grail]

bro made me drop my day 1 harley and bugs for him. love every single thing about his gameplay

[mint loom]

His combo game isn't as huge as some others but regardless hes still very fun

[hidden whale]

not many combo routes but he has great ones

not counting that if u land a move 99% of the time u can land another one

[mint loom]

Also anyone else got that spoon emote triggering for some reason lol even tho it seems to be not even in the game yet officially

[hidden whale]

if u use an emote it triggers the spoon thing

[mint loom]

Yeah

Its cool tbh

I like it alot

[hidden whale]

yes but i must admit that pfg doesnt know at all how to fix emotes

shaggy's ones are broken again

[flint grail]

I still need to lab proper combo routes with him

[hidden whale]

and i spent 500 gleamium on it :|

[hidden whale]

me too

i do great with him but still learning combos is essential

i had a smith against who knew the ground bouncing one and my teammate got absolutely destroyed

[flint grail]

is that uhh

jab1-utilt-dair-loop?

or the airdspecial one

[hidden whale]

jab utilt and neutral special

[flint grail]

OH that one

[hidden whale]

even tho

[flint grail]

i need to lab that one

[hidden whale]

i know one that uses down air

then neutral special

to basically a double ground bounce

which makes collateral damage viable too ( if u cant survive at 100 )

[flint grail]

collateral is honestly so situational

[hidden whale]

yea i prefer last stand by a lot

makes him really dangerous even if he is at 100

[flint grail]

I run snowball-last stand-armor breaker

[hidden whale]

it s good against

tanks

[flint grail]

honestly

press the advantage isnt bad against tanks

it wrecks jason and superman

ww as well to an extent

[hidden whale]

indeed

i need to run it more against those

how many wins have u got

with him

[flint grail]

not in triple digits yet havent been playing the game a lot

i wanna say around 48

like 1200 total tho

[hidden whale]

160 or something with smith for me

[flint grail]

i pride myself on the fact i was t500 bugs and harley in the beta

[hidden whale]

i was t100 or even higher with shaggy

[flint grail]

and curse myself for not buying the founder's pack

[hidden whale]

when he required skill

[flint grail]

vile

oh wait he required skill at one point

i forgor it feels like its been a lifetime

carry on

[hidden whale]

i wouldnt wish for u to spend 60+ dollars for it

[flint grail]

i was willing to, i do love this game

[hidden whale]

yea and at that ranks spam kick will only get u killed

[hidden whale]

i must admit that i was too on a point and i am a big money saver

[flint grail]

i just feel like i wouldve if i knew now lol

what i wouldnt give for half of the battlepass skins

[hidden whale]

i paid for the first battlepass they released

[flint grail]

i almost did

[hidden whale]

so i got 2 legendary skins lol

[flint grail]

if only if only

[hidden whale]

i also really like they reworked shagworthy

not necessary but i appreciated it a lot

[flint grail]

still in awe that William Afton is in the game gotta say

[hidden whale]

how about we put game theory in it

the last tribute

[flint grail]

nah put johnny silverhand in the game

i need his interactions with smith bro

I need to know how smith would react to being called a corpo-rat

[mint loom]

What does sweet spot mean in the hand cannon perk

Im using freeze protocol rn cus I didnt know what it meant but I've seen ppl say hand cannon is good

[hidden whale]

if u shoot u can see there is a circle, if u hit it u get more knockback ( and maybe more damage, unsure )

[balmy galleon]

What perks to use with Hand_Cannon?

[young plank]

Snowball/flammable, last stand or speed, pugilist

[wicked imp]

But gun isn’t considered a projectile I thought

So don’t run flammable

[young plank]

It is

Isnt it?

Im running with flammable

Well i guess il change it

[faint zinc]

Gun isn't a projectile

And collateral dmg is better for 2nd perk

[young plank]

Damm

I didnt khew that

I was using flammable

So il buy snowball or?

[wicked imp]

Idk I still prefer last stand

But collateral is still good

[faint zinc]

I do snowball collateral dmg and pugilist

[faint zinc]

Last stand is useless if you're under 100

[young plank]

What its collateral dmg?

[wicked imp]

Pugilist is just the only good perk 3 for like the majority of the cast

[young plank]

Is it the dash attack one?

[faint zinc]

Collateral works for smiths combos

[young plank]

What does that perk?

[faint zinc]

1 extra dmg for ground bounce

[wicked imp]

Enemies take 1 extra damage every time they bounce on the floor or walls

[young plank]

Bro that sounds amazing for smith

[faint zinc]

All of smiths combos require groundbounce

[young plank]

Yea bro

[wicked imp]

Yes, but it you can live past 100 (Smith is heavy enough to consistently do so against a lot of characters), your kill confirms kill like 30% earlier or more

[faint zinc]

If you're good enough one combo string should have the opponent end at 100+

Meaning they die off of one confirm on most stages

[fresh goblet]

Good morning smithers

[faint zinc]

Sweet spot 3 ammo gun kills at like 117 on treefort I believe after jab utilt

[wicked imp]

I haven’t been able to get anything close to that on smaller characters

[faint zinc]

Only downside to that is the 3 ammo + nothing combos into sweetspot

[faint zinc]

Cuz Smith struggles against smaller character

Notice how in my mu chart, all the bad matchups but like 3 are small characters

[wicked imp]

I mean, dunking on big characters like Jason, Garnet, Iron Giant, etc is pretty easy

[wicked imp]

I haven’t seen it

[modern salmon]

I am apart of the agent smith's moveset is wasted on him club

Sad as i am to admit as i like that matrix quite a lot more than them.... But if they wanted a gun and punch character this coulda been red hood, peacemaker, dolores abernathy, anyone with a gun

[wicked imp]

John Wick

[modern salmon]

In fact dolores also has clones and i think it would be even funnier if dolores gets the moveset agent smith should have

[mint loom]

who cares jeez

hes fun asf and thats all that matters

red hood sucks

peacemaker is in mortal kombat and there are not enough from other ips

[modern salmon]

I care because i like the matrix and can appreciate that movesets can be fun while being poorly representative of the character

[mint loom]

I love the matrix and I couldnt give less of a shi

plus the moveset is fine in representing him

[modern salmon]

Fine in representing the fact mutliversus only watched the first movie

If agent smith's sole role in the matrix series was a gun and punch character yeah

But thankfully he is NOT

[mint loom]

aight then

boo hoo I guess

[modern salmon]

Not unsurprising as multiversus loves making bad movesets based on single seasons and single movies

Probably why we havent gotten another got rep bc they had to watch all of got for arya to do anything cool

Thankfully the lazy devs at pfg only had to watch a few minutes of the matrix to add gun and punch to Agent Smith

[mint loom]

its prob more like

got is snooze

[modern salmon]

Nah having to watch 8 seasons to make daenerys is definitely the main turn off. Tbf arya does have a nonsense down special so perhaps they skimmed game of thrones too

[stark anvil]

Good morning all!

[earnest hound]

"He doesn't have one move no one cares about"
Bro play the character.

He's fun, that's the important part.

[modern salmon]

Nah im never buying an agent smith they represented worse than the mfn lego batman movie

Not in your wildest dreams are agent smith's virus abilities a little thing that can be looked over

Its his most iconic aspect

Yall the kinda mfs that would say "stop whining he is fun" if they had batman without batarangs

[flint grail]

ok then idc bro 😭

[earnest hound]

^

Nobody cares dude

[modern salmon]

Yall acting like pfg gon kiss you ong

[earnest hound]

And you act like you're THE expert on Smith and how to make a character

[modern salmon]

Please tony more shallow interpretations of iconic characters stripped of major flourishes 🥰😍

[earnest hound]

It ain't that deep bro

[modern salmon]

Please remove batman's utility belt and make him like agent smith 😍. He is better off as a punch and kick character

[hidden whale]

bruh

literally all i have to say 💀

[hidden whale]

good mornin

[faint zinc]

Womp womp

A lot of characters have so many iconic references

You're acting like Smith doesn't even have a gun or his shades

Just because there's one reference not in the game doesn't mean it's a horrible character

Just recently I found out finn's nair he actually does in the show and it's not just a plain boring kick nair

[rapid violet]

I feel like Smith needs a damage buff on his basic melee attacks

[west barn]

so are we gonna pretend that gun-fu is a matrix thing or

because it's not in any capacity it feels like they looked at his design

said "agent"

and moved on

he's about as much of a matrix rep as shaggy is a scooby doo rep

[alpine vessel]

I'm going to get you

[west barn]

man i love playing [generic agent character]

[undone slate]

playing smith and pretending i’m 47

[cyan vessel]

tbh Smith is pretty much "a guy with shades and a gun" in this game...
a bigger rep woulda been incorporating matrix dodging for him (auto dodge with depletion to dodge bar) like Agents actually do in the film and or a better "clone" mechanic...

[faint zinc]

oh my god

its almost like

thats his dodge animation

thats so crazy

[cyan vessel]

oh wow his normal dodge that anyone can do....big woop...im talking a mechanic to make him actually unique...you can give any character that dodge skin and call it "matrix"
like idk..how superman gets SA in almost every attack he has because hes "super"...or WW...

[faint zinc]

the thing you described mechanically works exactly like the universal dodge mechanic that every character has

thats not special at all

[cyan vessel]

auto dodge is not a mechanic that is in pvp what are you smoking

[faint zinc]

what the hell is an auto dodge

[cyan vessel]

...seriously....what does the name....imply?

auto dodge would be mechanically a dodge that is done automatically without input from the player, this would be functionally a parallel to Super Armor
to make this work without being overpowered it would drain the dodge bar (by 25%, which means 4 dodges before bar is depleted) can not be triggered less than set % it takes or grey bar. it would also benefit from a counter incorporated into it for low damage knock back so the player cant abuse the dodge for a combo

[undone slate]

there’s a gem in PVE that gives a % chance to auto dodge - something similar to that?

[faint zinc]

draining dodge bar wouldnt be a good enough way to make it balanced though

imagine you're getting 0-d by a finn

then before the up-special you auto dodge then uair him and he dies at 0

how in the world is that balanced

[cyan vessel]

4 dodges is extremely low..and as I said if the dodge counters with a low damage knockback so smith cannot combo the dodge

plus this is the actual dodge bar its draining...meaning you actually need to be careful not to let the auto dodges put you in a situation that would leave you grey bared

opponent can punish easy

[faint zinc]

and what is the supposed angle it sends you at

because i can think of one option that covers every angle

[cyan vessel]

ideally forward, and I know your going to say "side special" yeah?

[faint zinc]

no?

dodge cancel

side special cant combo into anything its too slow

[west barn]

putting one reference into his dodge animation does not make him an accurate character

[cyan vessel]

in this auto dodge would be uncancelable effect as it would be a built in mechanic that has to go through. but fair point for that

[faint zinc]

sorry a non-fighting game character isnt accurate to the film it came from

[west barn]

100% of the cast isnt from a fighting game

this argument isnt even valid

[faint zinc]

so you're saying every other character is an accurate character then?

[west barn]

dont put words in my mouth because you can't form a proper argument

[faint zinc]

lebron is acurrate to space jam?\

[west barn]

no but he's an actual good representation of the character

smith is not

[faint zinc]

im following what you're implying

[cyan vessel]

we are saying having accurate references

[faint zinc]

if you're saying that 90% of the cast isnt from a fighting game when im talking about smith being accurate then you're saying 90% of the cast isnt accurate

[west barn]

that's not what i said in the slightest but sure whatever makes you look like you're smart

[faint zinc]

they're adding characters that arent from video games in general, of course they wont be accurate because this is not where they came from

when they put villager in smash bros, how accurate is that to animal crossing

theres no combat in animal crossing

[west barn]

actual good adaptation of the character that shows things about the game despite not being inherently combative

bad example

come back later

[faint zinc]

if you think you're doing a good job invalidating me you're really not :/

[west barn]

smith is actively seen fighting in the matrix because it's an action movie and the moveset they went with doesnt line up with what the movie actually conveys in its fighting

gun-fu is objectively not a matrix thing

there is no argument you can hold that would validate the agent not being a clone of smith

it's simply not a good representation of the character no matter which way you fold it

[cyan vessel]

each character has representation from where they are from or something that is know about them. if you want to talk about AC villager Nintendo used references of AC in his move set what are you talking about

[west barn]

^

im not doing a good job invalidating you because you're doing it yourself

[faint zinc]

im actually getting a headahce because nobody here is actually reading and understanding what im saying

so either reread it so it makes sense or stop arguing yourselves

[cyan vessel]

because you make no sense 🤣

[west barn]

make sense

and maybe we'll understand it

"smith isnt accurate because you cant make every character accurate" uses an example of a character from a game strictly without fighting that still conveys what its source material is about

uses this example to back up a character from an action movie not fighting in the way he fights in that action movie

[earnest hound]

Auto dodge sounds awful to fight

[hidden whale]

doesnt relate to the arguement but + respect for the bio and status

[west barn]

thank you

[hidden whale]

would be hard to manage

[west barn]

lowkey giving him a mode that increased his dodge bar gain would probably be a better balance choice

or a singular autododge

[earnest hound]

You could probably make it balanced, but that falls under the category of moves that just feel bad to fight and should be avoid because of that

[west barn]

yeah im not too mad about the dodging aspect's representation the only thing that grinds my gears is the lack of clones

[hidden whale]

maybe like his first 1-2 bar of dodges are auto and the rest normal

[hidden whale]

true

[earnest hound]

They coulda have done something with clones but I'm happy with what they did.

[west barn]

yeah he's on the edge of being faithful but it just doesnt work as an overall package it's still pretty disappointing

[earnest hound]

It's weird to me they specifically went out of their way to make his down special a different agent, I suppose since it's supposed to be plugged in Smith

[hidden whale]

i just hope they make samurai jack more accurate

[west barn]

they literally could have saved money by making it more accurate and not building an entire agent model

[hidden whale]

only excuse for that is it would "confuse"

i guess??

[west barn]

true this game's community cant comprehend two models looking the same (just give it like an outline or particle effects IT'S NOT HARD)

[earnest hound]

Considering most people don't know the movies it would be weird, but that's a you problem if you don't know the story. Idk

[hidden whale]

yea

[west barn]

the amount of people who havent watched the matrix nowadays is saddening to me

[earnest hound]

I only watched them because of mvs, I wouldn't say they're crucial but they're pretty good

[west barn]

it's part of that group of movies that arent too serious but have incredibly deep themes to them that i just adore

[undone slate]

can’t wait for the 3rd multiversus launch to have Going_Viral Agent as the 7 day log in bonus character reward

[west barn]

🔥

[wicked imp]

That sounds extremely overpowered

I’m all for wanting Smith to have had more of his moveset to reflect the source material

But not at the cost of adding overpowered abilities that are detrimental to the game

[west barn]

^

[cyan vessel]

you know in the trailer they had something that looked like he would have actual clones (were colored green in the trailer)

[west barn]

yeah

[cyan vessel]

on paper it sounds overpowered yes, but actually it'd be hard to manage aka make him harder to actually use given using resources
the best way to show it in game context would be (if you played DragonBall Xenoverse) Mastered UI Goku's auto dodge where yes he dodges each attack but at the cost of his stamina bar once his stamina, and (like in this game but in a bit lesser extent) when your stamina bar (dadge bar) is gone you are very vulnerable.
but the worry for Over Powered is defiantly warranted.
I myself just feel there should be a call back to "how hard they are to hit" like in the first movie (not sure if they actually continue it in the other 2 been a while since i watched em)

[wicked imp]

So like the issue with auto dodge is that it’s essentially an infinitely better version of Wonder Woman’s armor except it’s active all the time. And Wonder Woman armor is already one of the best moves in the game. And the burnout timer is only like 5 or so seconds, so you’d really be able to abuse it

Wonder Woman has access to armor for like 10 seconds on a 30 second cooldown

Smith having 4 auto dodges on what’s essentially a 5 second cooldown is insanely OP

You’d literally just be able to run at your opponent with literally zero counter and then camp for your burnout time

[cyan vessel]

there are many ways to balance it though. remember what im proposing is using the dodge bar as the resource, you would get 4 if you never use dodge yourself...at all...it wouldnt be able to trigger if your bar has lower than the % needed. and you could say...make his grey dodge bar recharge slower

[wicked imp]

And when you get in, Smith already has a really good combo game

[wicked imp]

Iron Giant bolts in beta functioned almost exactly like what you’re talking about

And he was the best character in the game for so long until they literally gutted his entire character

[cyan vessel]

and if you really want it to not be conected to the dodge bar....give him 2 dodges with the 30 second cooldown WW has...
or we could just give dodge frames to some of his attacks that would stop the attack he was doing to go for a knock back

instead of "all the time"

which would be a similar to superman having superarmor during certain attacks....but these have no way to KO from and or combo into

[wicked imp]

Adding a dodge to a specific attack of his would be fine

That’s how Jason mist works

But passive auto dodge is an absolute no and Smith would easily become SSS tier

Even if it were only one dodge, he’d become the best character in the game

[cyan vessel]

only one, doubt "best"

[wicked imp]

The ability to literally just ignore any approach option from a character is insanely OP

[cyan vessel]

it'd be the same a WW then...one with a cooldown would be equal to her right there

[wicked imp]

Like the only thing keeping Iron Giant bolts/burst in check is that he’s the biggest combo food character and they’re literally gutting his entire combo game

[wicked imp]

Except that his wouldn’t lose to armor break and would last indefinitely

And Wonder Woman outside of IG was already considered the best character

His bullet time just being an animation for his dodges is perfectly fine imo and I don’t think they needed to do anything more

[cyan vessel]

listen, im just trying to say there were ways to rep him better, and some form of call to dodging would have been a way, either by an auto dodge in some way or dodge frames in his moveset

[wicked imp]

I named a way I feel would be more representative of the later movies

Like a day or two ago

[cyan vessel]

as did i...

[thin phoenix]

Buff smiths knockback

[cyan vessel]

lol

[wicked imp]

Replace his neutral attack with his iconic body takeover chop where he thrusts his hand into the opponent’s chest. Landing this move would be the only way to get more clones (and yes his down special should be clones and not generic agent). Allow him to have up to 3 clones that he can send and make them last for like 1-2 seconds longer than they currently do

[cyan vessel]

his neutral def needs a change imo

[wicked imp]

That’s why I suggested that be the move you change

[cyan vessel]

still, dodge frames in certain moves would be good. his up special needs it, the lack of them is dumb when jasons mist gets them

[wicked imp]

I feel like up b not having dodge frames is an oversight because it definitely looks like it should

[cyan vessel]

maybe, maybe not who knows with PFG

switch out his down attacks SA for dodge frames, smith having SA is kinda funny to think of

[wicked imp]

Morty side b, Superman grounded side b, Jason side b, etc all can’t be hit during their teleports

But they can be hit after they reappear

[cyan vessel]

true

[wicked imp]

Rick portal too

[flint grail]

Anyone got tips on how to play Smith into Shaggy? That character makes me wanna kill myself

[wicked imp]

Bugs tunnel as well

[cyan vessel]

but its hard to tell what they intend and such too

[flint grail]

needs a speed buff

way too unreliable rn

not by much, make it a high risk high reward attack, but c'mon, not that high risk

[wicked imp]

You need to zone him out with gun and punish him for overextending. A lot of Shaggy players overextend. In disadvantage, you need to be less predictable because Shaggy can kill very early with a few reads.

Is there anything specifically you’ve noticed that’s been causing you trouble?

Like any specific situations?

[flint grail]

Yeah the problem is I literally cannot punish Shaggy in any case

That character is unpunishable because he's a baby character

So what do I even do with that

[wicked imp]

What moves specifically?

His kick can easily be punished by jumping over it and dairing him for a full combo

[stark anvil]

Oh hey that's something I do!

That usually works out I agree with it

Fighting a Shaggy as Smith doesn't bother me so much as other characters really

[wicked imp]

Yeah I mean I main Shaggy, but I’ve run into my fair share of kick spammers and they’re usually very predictable and easily to punish

I struggle a lot more with small characters as Smith

[flint grail]

I've tried that and half the time they just tilt it up and I get punished for trying to do anything

Other than that, I can't edgeguard him because of his fair, nair and upb, he wins neutral by default because of his jab and nair, and sandwich is so unintuitive to play against because it just invalidates my only ranged option of clone

[earnest hound]

And he's still good

[wicked imp]

Yeah he’s still easily top 10 even with all the nerfs

[flint grail]

They should gut Shaggy next

[wicked imp]

Gun outranges every option Shaggy has

[flint grail]

And Finn

[wicked imp]

You need to get better at spacing it

[earnest hound]

Gut Steven 🙂

[wicked imp]

Shaggy has very short range, so he needs to constantly be pressing into you

If you read his approach options, you can get huge damage off of him with optimized gun combos

[wicked imp]

They already hard nerfed his utilt to the point where it doesn’t combo into basically anything but uair and his aerial up b doesn’t kill at like 60 anymore

[flint grail]

Tbf, they already did

[wicked imp]

Finn is so many character’s worst matchups

I know Jason chat pretty much unanimously agrees Finn is Jason’s worst matchup

[earnest hound]

He's still good, but they did at least nerf him

[flint grail]

Beginner-friendly characters are okay and encouraged but neither shaggy nor finn should be nearly as oppressive as they are for being able to have a 2 button gameplan

Shaggy can use jab, kick and sandwich the whole game and get value off it, Finn only needs to know how to do the 0td

Wonder Woman applies to this as well but she already got nerfed so

[wicked imp]

Her nerfs mean nothing

“Oh no 5 seconds extra cooldown to armor”

Literally doesn’t change how broken she is

[flint grail]

It's enough where I've seen like 2 of them since the nerfs

[wicked imp]

At least Joker lost his air side b x3 to uair zero to death

[earnest hound]

It was such a mild nerf lmao

[wicked imp]

People see “my character was nerfed” and then just drop them

[flint grail]

tbf, I did that with Harley but also she's felt unsatisfying since launch

She feels so ick now

[wicked imp]

Wonder Woman was only popular because she was strong

[flint grail]

Like she has nothing

And she's tied with arya and gizmo as the lightest in the game so she just dies

[earnest hound]

I picked her up as my first character before I knew anything about the game and I'm sure I made some much better players very mad

[wicked imp]

They partially reverted her utilt so it can actually combo now

But tbf the majority of Harley players are casuals from my experience

Top players still think Harley is good but her playerbase just kinda sucks at the game ngl

The casual players were all just kinda carried by slide and easy combos

[flint grail]

I'm gonna say something controversial I think most people who play this game legitimately suck

[wicked imp]

That’s not controversial

That’s true

And it’s true for literally every game

[earnest hound]

Its a kids game, what do you expect

[flint grail]

Like this game is much easier to get into than other platform fighters so it attracts people who aren't good enough to play the others

[wicked imp]

There’s a reason why pro players are like the top 0.01%

[flint grail]

Or the people that dropped smash because of [insert DLC character], I know it attracted a LOT of those

[wicked imp]

Steve is banned at my Ultimate locals

Thankfully

[flint grail]

That means your local scene is lame and a bunch of cowards unfortunately

I'm slightly biased because I main Steve but banning characters is a stupid thing in FGC

[wicked imp]

Our scene is already filled with people who hard camp for wins

We don’t need it getting any more boring

[earnest hound]

Good

[flint grail]

Steve literally just got banned in a lot of places because people refused to learn the mu and kept complaining about it

But that's neither here nor there

[wicked imp]

Akuma is banned in Street Fighter 2 Turbo

[flint grail]

tbf Akuma should be banned in most street fighter games but that is a different conversation

[wicked imp]

Because he’s the undisputed top 1 and if he was legal, everyone would play him

[waxen timber]

Steve has the ability to just not get knocked back from any move with that one phantom block glitch that's suprisingly easy to do

[earnest hound]

Steve and Iron Giant (especially prepatch) type characters I understand banning

[flint grail]

PMLG is a 3-frame tight input that can be punished if you even think it's gonna happen, it got blown way out of the water

[wicked imp]

It’s “banned” but that rule is really hard to enforce unless you’re caught on stream

[flint grail]

340 hours on the character, trust me, it is not 'surprisingly easy'

[wicked imp]

340 hours is a lot less than I was expecting tbh

[earnest hound]

Some characters just quite honestly don't belong, Steve is one of them

[flint grail]

Characters that fundamentally ruin the game for other players (brawl MK, prepatch Garfield in NASB2, prepatch IG, Finn) should be banned yeah

[flint grail]

Meh, agree to disagree

[wicked imp]

I’ve probably put in about 2000 hours into Ult

Competitively

[flint grail]

It's probably more honestly I lost count

[earnest hound]

I wasn't expecting Garfield on that list lol

[wicked imp]

I’ve been playing competitive Smash since Brawl

[flint grail]

Prepatch garf was insane

[earnest hound]

As he should be

Everyone loves Garfield

[waxen timber]

Garfield being on par with Brawl Meta Knight and Pre-patch IG is crazy

[wicked imp]

Brawl MK and ICs should be banned for the health of the game

[flint grail]

I mean..yeah, did you see the stuff he could do?

[waxen timber]

No

I never payed attention to the second game after the first one felt bad

[flint grail]

He had an infinite install that made him the fastest character, a damage buff and iirc made most moves come out faster

Mix this with the fact he already played like Fox

[earnest hound]

Nasb2 looks fun but I can't get over how bad it looks

[wicked imp]

No one I know plays NASB2

I can’t justify buying a multiplayer game that literally no one I know plays

Especially when I’m already playing Smash and MVS

[flint grail]

imo I don't think a character should be banned unless they fundamentally break rules of the game. Stuff like brawl MK or prepatch IG, or Akuma in SF2T like you mentioned
If a character can be picked up by someone with zero experience and get insane results out of it, then they should be banned

That's why I think Steve is fine, Steve requires a lot of work put into him to get results, I know that from experience

[wicked imp]

MK and ICs do fundamentally break the game. ICs are a character who have a guaranteed zero to death on the entire cast from grab and a decent neutral, they can’t be grabbed because there’s two of them, and the punish game of Brawl is very weak where most characters only have like 30 damage combos at most. MK has transcendent priority on every attack but two which means his attacks don’t clank, they just win. He also has more range than literally every other character and the fastest frame data in the game with the ability to air camp everyone uncontested

[flint grail]

I'm not saying MK doesn't break the game what

He absolutely does

wait I said shouldn't and not should

mbmb

[wicked imp]

Lol

[flint grail]

Offtopic but idk who to unlock next

[wicked imp]

Who do you have?

[flint grail]

It'd be easier to say who I don't have lol

The ones I'm looking at are Garnet, Reindog and Taz

[wicked imp]

Of those 3, I’d go with Taz

He’s pretty fun imo

They removed his infinite, so he’s actually a fair character now

[flint grail]

Yeah, I've messed with him a bit he seems fun
Reindog also is tempting tho

[wicked imp]

I personally don’t like how Reindog plays

[flint grail]

I'll flip a coin

[rancid jasper]

one thing I hate most about reindog is that it really feels like if I interrupt their projectile move, the projectile comes out anyways
like I've had so many times where I run in and hit them, and then suddenly I'm knocked away cus they were charging a projectile and it still came out
like either it comes out when you hit em or I just have the most unlucky timing known to man

[dense lotus]

Hope they do the Dodge for neo

Although auto dodge would be op

[maiden bridge]

Combos are goated

[lucid flower]

Can I get help on getting smith please. I'm in the crushing difficulty

[earnest hound]

Better to ask in #lfg-casual or on the reddit

[lucid flower]

thanks

[earnest hound]

Np

[cedar root]

Hard to do tho:(

[modern salmon]

Could have been more nuanced than just auto dodge an attack. Could be a passive with a cooldown. Could be a passive that actives after parrying that gives you an auto dodge for the next attack. Could be an active ability that makes you dodge the next ability with a long cooldown. Unfortunately that would contradict with the design philosophy of agent smith:

Being a gun and punch character only 😍

[cedar root]

Also they need to fix his up special, why can you get hit while teleporting?? I don’t mind if he has one move that you only hit during a combo, but his neutral attack is the same thing, it’s annoying

[mint loom]

stfu

genuinely

lmao

annoying mf

like hearing a broken record

[modern salmon]

Like seeing an ill fitting moveset

Wait a minute i told everyone i was done engaging with the 🏇

What am i doing here !

[zenith basin]

Erm actually he has a bug attack!

Not just a punch and gun!

He has a teleport too erm

[modern salmon]

The bug is especially funny bc it silences which is a reference to the scene the bug is in.... Except i dont think they watched thay scene and maybe skimmed smth on the internet bc neo got silenced when agent smith said "you are unable to speak" not when the bug was inserted

The bug is just a tracker lol

[zenith basin]

It's not like they can give him an attack where he just silences you automatically

Silence is a crappy debuff anyways

Does it even do anything

[icy shell]

trash

[modern salmon]

https://youtu.be/GTlQhEWxusc?si=7fFOKxOJUcIUlI9p

The comments on this clip are insane

[modern salmon]

Yuh huh

Agent smith side special mutes your character's voicelines

[mint loom]

huh

whatever

top 2 most annoying ppl Ive ever met congrats

[zenith basin]

Wtf 😭

These guys are freaky

[cedar root]

Fr lmao

[dense lotus]

I agree this move has a big start lag and end lag and leaves a big window to be hit out of it. I think they need to buff this move and nerf side special slightly

[cedar root]

Plus if you’re on the bottom there’s basically nothing to do without dodge meter

[cedar root]

And yeah the side special is really powerful but if you don’t hit it, it’s veryyy punishable

[dense lotus]

Yeah i mean i dont really think hes a huge problem like people make him out to be but if a tune up was to happen this move would be the one

Just slightly

[hidden whale]

challenge, take a shot everytime he says smith is bad

[dense lotus]

Im drunk

Beyond drunk

Who am I?

[forest dock]

Hey

[cedar root]

Ywah, right now I think he’s pretty balanced tho

[zenith basin]

Nah he's definitely a little overtuned

[cedar root]

Wdym overturned?

[zenith basin]

He's not broken but he could use a few nerfs

His combo game is despicable and he has really strong kill power

His hitboxes are pretty big too, and his gun hits in a 360° circle around him or something

[wicked imp]

Agent Smith has the highest win rate with the second highest pick rate in 1v1

He also has the highest win rate in 2v2 with the third highest pick rate

[river urchin]

His loops haven’t been patched yet right

[wicked imp]

I don’t think it’s too far fetched to say he’s a bit overtuned, but personally I feel other characters should be buffed up to his level rather than him getting hard nerfed and becoming irrelevant

[wicked imp]

No

I think the only thing that probably needs a slight nerf from Smith is the hand cannon perk being a bit too strong

[cedar root]

A lot of characters do, his combos are really precise and hard to pull off

[cedar root]

That with his side special can kill at 75 sometimes

[wicked imp]

Yeah

Without hand cannon, I’m killing at around like 140 ish most of the time

[cedar root]

also I think this is just because he came out recently

[wicked imp]

Which is totally fine given his combo game

[zenith basin]

That seems fair Agent Smith isn't agonizing to fight unlike a certain clown

[cedar root]

Even with hand cannon, I only kill at either 100 or 150

[wicked imp]

I mean, yeah the only people who have Smith are the ones who were dedicated enough to grind rifts to get him

But it seems a lot of the active playerbase did

[zenith basin]

Eh... I mean you just have to be fast
I can't input a single combo because the game hates me though and likes doing the OPPOSITE of what I input

[wicked imp]

My controller is messed up, but I can still make his combos work

[cedar root]

Well with other characters they are a lot easier, smith every hit had to hit the ground and it doesn’t even work everytime

[wicked imp]

(I have stick drift upwards that can’t seem to be corrected with the deadzone settings and my right bumper is broken)

Tbf I’m using an Xbox One controller that’s about 10 years old now…

[zenith basin]

My controller is perfectly fine and still doesn't work for this game lmao

[wicked imp]

Probably about time for a new one

[cedar root]

My keyboard has a bit of sticky keys which sucks

[zenith basin]

The Xbox One is that old??

[wicked imp]

Yeah it came out in like 2014 or 2015 I think

Lemme fact check myself

2013 lmao

So it’s 11 years old

[zenith basin]

Dear God

[wicked imp]

Honestly tho, 11 years for a controller is very impressive to not have any issues with prior

I had a third party Xbox controller and it didn’t last more than a year

My PS2 controller is 23 years old and the only thing broken in it is the rumble pack. No stick drift or broken buttons

I’m still using my PS1 controller (about 25 years old) to play Tekken and it’s still in great condition

Granted it hasn’t seen nearly the amount of use that my other controllers have seen tho

[cyan vessel]

I myself never said he was bad, I just wished they did more with him. And ATM he does have a few moves that need tuning
That's all I'm sayin

[cedar root]

Yeahh

[modern salmon]

I dont like the "it takes practice so its balanced" approach. If someone can abuse a mechanic they shouldnt be rewarded with an infinite for practicing really good. Need to balance for all skill levels

[wicked imp]

I mean, it’s the classic Akuma problem

Akuma is supposed to be “balanced” by being one if not the most technical character along with having the least amount of health in exchange for absurd damage, combos, and air fireball

But he always ends up being top tier because you can heavily abuse his strengths by just practicing and being good

Smith is similar in that he has insanely strong high damaging combos that require more execution than a lot of characters, but you can be consistent at them against the entire cast minus the small characters with practice

[tardy mist]

hand cannon or regular perk?

[hidden whale]

cannon

[tardy mist]

does cannon do less damge than regular?

[zenith basin]

Yea I think so but the sweet spot is insanely good at killing

[wicked imp]

Sweetspot hand cannon side special kills at like 75

But it’s pretty hard to land

[buoyant ruin]

https://youtu.be/XMUah5zKKlg?si=Iv9SNl191elWA3oq

This tech seems like it would make hand cannon worse

And 5% is the best option

[wicked imp]

I personally run 5% because it’s better at dealing with armor

Oh that tech seems really useful

[tardy mist]

that seems really cool

[wicked imp]

I’m guessing it’ll probably get patched out

[buoyant ruin]

I hope it doesn't

[thin phoenix]

Smiths kill power without hand cannon perk sucks

[wicked imp]

I hope so too. More characters need sauce

[tardy mist]

maybe it was meant to be like that

[buoyant ruin]

It seems perfectly fine to keep in since it requires 3 bullets you can't just spam it or do crazy loops it just gives you good kill confirms and combo extensions

[wicked imp]

Yeah I mean most of the time, I only have 2 bullets

[buoyant ruin]

He said you can still do it with 2 but its worse so I'm not sure how that works

[wicked imp]

I imagine you just can’t combo into nearly as much

[hidden whale]

yea i knew about this tech

[buoyant ruin]

I wonder what options work on 2 and what require 3

[hidden whale]

still i prefer hand cannon

[buoyant ruin]

Hand cannon just makes you not have to think about your ammo count as much so I can see that

[wicked imp]

Hand cannon makes his combo game a bit more consistent

But no hand cannon seems like you get better optimal combos

[hidden whale]

ye

[hidden whale]

if u want to play it right u still have to think about it

[buoyant ruin]

Hand cannon definitely feels lower skill ceiling either way

[hidden whale]

meh

[buoyant ruin]

And ammo management is harder without hand cannon because gun uses all your ammo instead of just 1

[hidden whale]

kind of

[zenith basin]

Hand cannon is higher skill ceiling y'all don't know the hand cannon double agent super smash bug attack tech?

[tardy mist]

cant get this to work

idk why

im on mouse though

[buoyant ruin]

They said you have to cancel during the second shot specifically

So it's probably a timing thing

[tardy mist]

ya im trying

idk why not work

[lime vale]

Smith has the smash ultimate Joker gun

[cedar root]

And Gabon’s spike lol

Gannon*

I think that’s how you spell it

[lime vale]

Ganon

[cedar root]

Yeah that

[radiant crystal]

🐐

[nova plover]

finally unlocked smith and im trying to figure out some of his combos

what are some of his main combos?

[lime vale]

Finally got smith

[twilit obsidian]

I finally did it! I finally got Agent Smith!

[nova plover]

is handcannon smiths best perk?

[wicked imp]

Jab 1 -> utilt -> dair or gunshot down can loop

Jab 1 -> utilt -> uair is a kill confirm at like 130

[zenith basin]

Does jab really true combo into utilt? People always seem to dodge it

[wicked imp]

I wanna say it’s a specific hitbox you need

Also, dair -> sair -> dodge jab is true at lower percents

[lime vale]

Smith is fun a hell

[civic juniper]

Smith's Matrix skin has swapped win and lose animations like Rick lol

[faint zinc]

yes

[zenith basin]

Agent Smith is so broken

[wicked imp]

We’re getting there. 28/30 rifts completed. So close to matrix smith

[median grotto]

I got him btw

All solo

He's sick

[undone slate]

do you have 5 stars on the bosses completed badge yet?

[wicked imp]

No

I’ve only played rifts solo

So I’m missing the one for playing rifts with someone for literally every rift

Thankfully, they lowered the amount needed for filling the star meter, so you don’t need to play with someone to completely fill it

[median grotto]

they mean the badge

the one you get from the event

that tracks how many bosses you've beaten

[young plank]

Agent smith its solid tbh guys, he dont need an nerf, the loop its easy to di tho

[zenith basin]

He needs to be gutted fr

[young plank]

Bro got nothing his strong combo its everything that he has

Maybe make some viable routes with down special in air

[zenith basin]

Hand cannon kills at like 80 lol

2 interactions and you're in his kill range

[young plank]

Yeah and nerf the hand cannon perk

He dont need an nerf on his combo game its easy to di

Maybe add some combo routes to not see the same people using the same combo☠️

Like some combo routes from jab 2

Or an down special combo route

[median grotto]

I say buff grounded down special

Make it easier to use in more situations

Then you can take away the loop

The thing about Hand_Cannon is that there is no downside to running it

Your gun attacks don't get any weaker, they just gain a sweet spot

So it's not like you run it aiming to hit it, you run it and play like normal while sometimes clutching that sweetspot kill

Only attack that gets weaker from it is air down special

[lime vale]

100 percent

[wicked imp]

Oh idk what the 5 star requirement is and I didn’t check

But man the loony difficulty first rift boss is actually ludicrous

Even with 3 level 10 gems, it’s still only barely possible to even beat the boss within the time limit solo

Which I’m struggling to do

[earnest hound]

Mine shows 28 (I have 30) and only has 4 stars

[twilit ginkgo]

What kill confirms do y'all like to use?

[zenith basin]

Jab > utilt > uair is like his only kill confirm

[twilit ginkgo]

Oh alright

That's what I've been using but it kills kinda late sometimes

[zenith basin]

He can spike really well

Hand cannon kills early

[lost prism]

down special> up special

[cyan vessel]

Mine shows 29 even though I finished as well, however I believe it tracks the whole rifts. Meaning if you skip to the boss it won't count it (I skipped to looney mega so that's why I have 29/30)

[civic juniper]

Even though I've done all of them, I only have 28 done

Oh

[cyan vessel]

so if you skipped (got taxied to the boss) for it to go to 30 you need to do the previous nodes until you can legit go into the boss yourself (i dont think you need to beat the boss again)

[jagged crypt]

I got taxi’d for 3 loony ones yet mine is at 29

[cyan vessel]

did you do the rest of the nodes later?

[civic juniper]

I don't think it would be possible for me to properly play through megalodog lol

[cyan vessel]

thats the one I skipped, you wanna do the nodes im game, i need em XD (though what are your gem levels?)

[civic juniper]

I have 10 gems across almost everything

But I'm chilling out rn sorry

[cyan vessel]

ah, its cool

[earnest hound]

I think I skipped three bosses. I'm heard some people's badges were showing larger numbers than possible for a while so I think it's just buggy

[cyan vessel]

maybe, but mine saying 29/30 when i skipped to looney mega and didnt finish the rest of the rift tracks so 🤷‍♂️

[cyan vessel]

but fair, people are saying theirs says 31/30

[earnest hound]

That would be a good explanation but I don't think it's it.

[earnest hound]

I have no idea how you screw up a badge that badly

[cyan vessel]

i need to finish the rift legit to get test my theory, but there are a hefty amount of bugs in this game so you're right

[jagged crypt]

No

I think it’s just a random bug it’s annoying

[wicked imp]

Well, I think 28/30 rifts is the best I can do solo

I’m close on beating the joker boss, but the last “phase” he’s just permanently in the background and the cannon is so painfully weak

I’m stuck on the megalodog in the 8th rift because the forced choice of Garnet, Arya, and T&J is just so awful and not the characters you’d want for that fight

[earnest hound]

T&J is one of the best ones for that fight

Neutral special, dodge through, repeat

[median grotto]

Dodge distance, Giant projectiles, 2 face's coin.
throw Jerry with neutral special, dodge through their (likely) pounce or whatever attack they throw before they can touch you, pick up Jerry and repeat.

It's honestly not hard in the slightest once you figure out the strat

[wicked imp]

Yeah see my issue is those gems aren’t high enough level

[median grotto]

you MAY find some variation where megalodog doesn't just do the same pounce attack, but you just have to adapt to that one move and then they are likely to go back to pouncing

[earnest hound]

The boss fights itself once you get into a rhythm

[wicked imp]

I have like level 10 gems and level 8 gems and none in between lmao

[median grotto]

Barely matters, you deal more than enough damage to clear the boss with that strat, you can replace giant projectiles with crits or jump scare if you need.

[wicked imp]

Those are even lower level

[earnest hound]

If you're getting hit, you messed up the strat

[median grotto]

level 8 is easily far more than enough level to beat it

the only important perk is the dodge distance one

the others are mainly just safety

[earnest hound]

You might get hit once or twice getting into a rhythm but you should be fine

[wicked imp]

I mean, I can try I guess. But the difference between level 8 and level 10 is like 1250% buff vs 2000% buff

Which is actually huge

[median grotto]

still

it's more than enough

no need to worry

you have more than enough time and lives

[wicked imp]

I’ll have to try later. My power went out, so it’s not like I can try rn anyway

[earnest hound]

I thought you were wrong wtf

Why is it such a big difference

[wicked imp]

Yeah it’s really dumb

Like the difference between level 8 and level 10 is literally like almost double

For no reason

[civic juniper]

This would not surprise me if it's true

[wicked imp]

It is true. Level 8 is 1250% buff and level 10 is 2000% buff

[knotty osprey]

I really struggle hitting the up special with agent smith am I just bad or do you have to be really accurate to hit it??

[waxen timber]

It's a mix of being accurate and hard-reading your opponent, since it's pretty slow and punishable

[cyan vessel]

I hardly ever use it unless I know it'll hit (my target is huge, or.. isnt very good at the game)

[torpid oracle]

let me BUY HIM!

[earnest hound]

Patience is a virtue

[nova plover]

just grind your soul away to unlock him

[waxen timber]

How long until he's officially released again?

[earnest hound]

Less than a week

[nova plover]

anyone else notice smith doesn’t have a difficulty rating

[zenith basin]

He's so easy they didn't wanna discourage Smith mains

[torpid oracle]

I don’t have the time to grind.
And I have to wait for them to TAKE MY MONEY?!?!

I am disheartened

[earnest hound]

Yes because they want people to play the game

[torpid oracle]

Well I’m not other people,guy with a job and life right here.

Lemme just give em my money.

[earnest hound]

You can. You just have to wait.

[ashen vortex]

i just got agent smith and i love him but what perks should i use for him

[median grotto]

Hand_Cannon sig
Snowball Effect, Collateral Damage, Pugilist

you're gonna do a LOT of bouncing on the ground due to his loops and dair

so collateral damage stacks up

Gun attacks count as melee, not projectiles, so flammable doesn't work with him

[ashen vortex]

Alr thx and i learnt that flammable didn’t work the hard way 😭

[median grotto]

should've read the movelist, his passive mentions they count as melee hits

by the way

his neutral special is called "C#_Shooter"

and I think not enough people talk about it

[nova plover]

ah yes my favourite melee weapon

a gun

[hasty timber]

Can't wait for this character to be buyable, he's so fun in training mode

Though IDK how or why a grown man in a suit is so floaty, more floaty than characters who can literally fly, but it's so satisfying (I haven't watched matrix btw)

[median grotto]

He has the non-human tag for a reason

He's a program

[nova plover]

hes just a bunch of code

[hasty timber]

Oh ok

[rancid jasper]

hes so floaty cus hes on the CLOUD
OH I'm so funny

[hasty timber]

That made me blow air out of my nose

[rancid jasper]

thank you thank you I'm here all the time

[civic juniper]

The whole rift campaign was a means to get him two weeks early...

[modern salmon]

Agent Smith is pretty okay. Season 2 im probably gonna carry more about rifts

Ain't no way I'm going to do 20 bosses to use Matrix bug

[civic juniper]

I imagine they will make the matrix skins buyable, but I have no idea if they will leave Smith's Matrix skin as unbuyable

[rancid jasper]

the thing says you can't get it anywhere else so I dunno

[wicked imp]

Idk if they’ll let you buy it or not, but I put in the time and earned it

So I’m gonna flex that I have it until the end of season 1 next week

[median grotto]

They will

Once the event ends, he's purchaseable with gleamium or fighter currency

Same deal as Jason being in the battlepass

[wicked imp]

Smith will be

But what about his matrix skin?

That’s what I’m talking about

I spent the time to beat every rift to get matrix smith

[mint loom]

Oi oi oi

Baka

Whats up skibidi smith sigmas

[faint zinc]

I will never play Smith again

Solely because of what you just said

[nova plover]

I’m never using a piece of technology again because of that

[wanton dew]

How do you turn around jab 3?

[waxen timber]

As soon as he grabs, just try to turn around

[wanton dew]

Sick

[summer pendant]

Bro I hate this character

[rancid jasper]

hate playing or hate fighting

[summer pendant]

FIGHTING

[cyan vessel]

only when you got someone who plays him with the loop, it is kinda irritating 🤣

[tawny berry]

Can someone help me? I want to get good with smith but I’m crap with him

[jolly mural]

#clips message this gotta be the funniest matchup ive ever had dude

[onyx sequoia]

They really made Iron Giant over double the weight of the avg character in this game.

I always found it funny how people called Smith a Generic Gun character like how Smash Fans talk about sword characters like there's just a bunch of Gun characters in platform fighters.
I get there's was Brawlhalla's Blasters but Smith doesn't play like any of them. 🤷‍♀️

[hasty timber]

His moveset does look pretty generic, but compared to banana guard he's super original

[civic juniper]

Oh that's interesting. Bugs Bunny and Marvin have almost the same stats.

[tame shell]

https://vxtwitter.com/Dhmidangerous/status/1814859718621270196?t=5GZvt4K9bBzVwo_1UOE0Rg&s=19

can we get this as an actual skin, it's kinda cool actually

[torpid oracle]

lemme buy Agent Smith

[zenith basin]

Yup, and he's allowed using last stand to kill everyone at 14%

[hasty timber]

FR I'm anxious to buy him too

[rancid jasper]

well folks can get him soon
not long now

[faint wedge]

Hey guys! I’m just learning Agent Smith after unlocking him last night. I know Hand_Cannon is a really good perk, what else would you guys recommend for an aggressive playstyle?

[hasty timber]

I honestly prefer not using hand cannon bc the moves can last longer in some instances when they need to

But IDK I've only played him in training mode lol

[tall verge]

i forget what its called but the perk where the agent holds them in place is better, it lets you get kill confirms with down b more easily and confirm into basically whatever you want at lower percents

hand cannon does let side b kill earlier and it can be good for consistency since youll always go the same distance and have the same amount of time per move but its probably better for a more safe playstyle than aggressive id say

side b with 3 ammo can let you go DEEP offstage and get cheesy kills

with hand_cannon youre committing to never going that deep but getting kills at higher percents more consistently

but i dont think agent smith has much trouble killing either way, he's kind of a menace offstage

[hazy flare]

you already kill for free from the agent grab

[lyric orchid]

What perk sets yall running I can’t wait to finally play him on Tuesday

[hazy flare]

I'm running 5%, Snowball, Collateral, and Pugilist

max damage

[wicked imp]

5% or hand cannon for signature, snowball for perk 1, collateral or last stand for perk 2, pugilist for perk 3

[jolly mural]

#clips message

i'm so damn mean in this game sometimes LOL

[long grove]

Ironic considering he weilds a gun

[median grotto]

Alright

Are we ready for our first nerf?

We all know it's coming

[zenith basin]

Probably wont be bad

[median grotto]

I'm mainly expecting them to kill the up tilt into gun loop

and nerfing side special's hitbox

so it doesn't hit inside Smith

[median grotto]

wait

there's no changes

https://multiversus.com/en/news/2-0-season-2-patch-notes

[topaz relic]

wait, neutral attack wasn't breaking armor?

[hasty timber]

Dash attack buffed ? Heck yeah, demon time

[median grotto]

It was, but only because it was a grab

I guess there were situations where armor could persist despite it

so they just gave it the armor break attribute

[hasty timber]

It's so funny how we were expecting nerfs and mostly got buffs lol

[median grotto]

I mean

they removed the loop

as I said

but yeah

[topaz relic]

they broke it in a good way at least

[wicked imp]

Grabbing someone out of WW armor or Jason rage left you hugely negative on hit because you’d grab them but they still had armor

[nova plover]

you can still do jab ground neutral

[cedar root]

They’re actually going good about smith balancing

Ppl just are complaining he’s broken because they suck or easy to read

[topaz relic]

I could see a lebron player feeling like he's busted

that matchup is very one sided lmao

[hasty timber]

I've only faced one smith in 1v1 and he's pretty good but only if he gets in

You can out-space him pretty easily most of the time, at least with black adam

[cedar root]

Yeah, black Adam is also pretty high tier character

[hasty timber]

There's only like 3 black adam players tho lol

I'm one of them

But considering how good smith is and how good samurai jack will be I might have to use black adam only as a pocket

[tardy mist]

are the smith changes overall buffs or nerfs?

[hasty timber]

Mostly buffs

[tardy mist]

thats good

[hazy flare]

There are more buffs but overall the changes are a nerf

Way less damage from hitting your combo starter while fixing some situational interactions is overall a nerf

I'm not saying he's bad now just want to put that into perspective

[median grotto]

The thing is that Smith had an insanely simple loop from 0 to 80-90

from where he could just kill you with the hand_cannon sweetspot

they took that loop in particular away

his overall kit is unaffected, but we're going to have new stuff from jab 1, since we can cancel out of it faster

[waxen timber]

I just noticed they fixed the sticker taunt glitch. Is the spoons in the game now?

[rancid jasper]

damn, spoons be legendary

[floral falcon]

What perks should i use for him?

[hazy flare]

ok they did not kill the loop idk what the patch was supposed to do
wait nvm game wasn't updated

[lyric orchid]

This is the most fun ive had with a chracter in awhile hes really smooth

[hasty timber]

Only after playing smith against actually good people that I noticed I'm not actually good with the character lol

Still a fun character tho

[lyric orchid]

I didn't get to experience the jab loops

[hasty timber]

Most of the combos I thought were true didn't work

[still temple]

yo so what does this character actually want to do

[waxen timber]

Gun go bang bang

[still temple]

D:

[still temple]

But like actually though

What are his gameplay goals

[nova plover]

murder

mainly with gun

[hazy flare]

he's a combo character with midrange zoning in gun

he wants to get side special dodge reads or jab1 -> up attack -> up air to kill

[nova plover]

being serious you wanna go for combos with smith

[waxen timber]

Side Special is decent, if you get good enough with spacing his Hand Cannon perk is god-tier, use the bug on characters who use a lot of cooldowns like Bugs and Steven, spoooons

[flint grail]

How can Smith deal with T&J? genuinely such an unfun mu as him

[waxen timber]

Shoot the rat

🔫

[flint grail]

you know he tanks a full-charge shot now, right?

[waxen timber]

what.

Shoot him twice?

🔫🔫

[flint grail]

then I'm out of bullets and the endlag makes the cat hit me

[median grotto]

you're silly if you think Tom is straight up going to let you shoot him twice

by the time you get the FIRST shot off, he's already putting out 20 different hitboxes around Jerry

half of them can kill you

[waxen timber]

Idk man, usually a gun works against a cat and a mouse

[hazy flare]

Jerry doesn't stop the agent

[stark anvil]

And the flood gates have opened.

[still temple]

yo anyone know if there's like a large Smith discord?

[nova plover]

yea is there a smith discord

[still temple]

can you drop me a link?

[hasty timber]

I think I finally get this character now, and even better, now I learned how to deal with the samurai jack matchup

I feel like neo at the end of the first movie

[nova plover]

I was asking to

[mint loom]

smith patch notes seem good

I dont main him but I guess hes like my secondary

havent had a chance to hop on the game yet

[hazy flare]

He still does cool things if you're creative enough

[mint loom]

so basically hes balanced

smith gotta be the most balanced in the game tbh

Hes not too strong but not weak

skibidi smith

am I right

hahahahahahaadnsfbdjlbfdsjbgfs

[zenith basin]

Samurai Jack:

[hasty timber]

I like playing as him but I'm not as good with him as I'd hope so he's my secondary too

[hasty timber]

I'm NGL, smith is carrying this game for me, I generally only log in to get rewards but smith somehow made me want to actually play the game, crazy how I didn't even know who this character was when they announced him lol

[mint loom]

no way u didnt know who agent smith was 😭

watch the matrix trilogy

Hes so cool

[hasty timber]

I watched the first movie right after I played him in training mode

I knew he was from matrix but I'm a gen Z so I'd never watched it lol, now I did though, he's one of my favorite villains now

[marble phoenix]

Na fr ain't even watch matrix but bruh just look bad

[modern salmon]

Are you reading this entire channel that was last week

Agent smith is a badly made moveset. Focusing on gunfu when that is a john wick thing not a matrix thing is silly

[mint loom]

Not this loser again

[civic juniper]

you need to make it through the 2nd and 3rd movie whenever you can. Lots of good Smith moments

[thin phoenix]

Naahh

Side special

Too strong

[hasty timber]

I heard it gets worse and tbh I kinda believe them since neo seems to be way too op at the end of the first one

Plus, I'm watching LOTR (yes my hobbie is watching iconic movies that shaped culture but I've never seen before)

[zenith basin]

Dodge:

It's not a crazy kill move, it's very predictable, and it's got lots of whiff

[mint loom]

2nd movie is my fav

Its up to personal preference tbh

They're all good

2nd and 3rd have cooler moments imo but I can see the 1st being more consistent

[hasty timber]

What I liked about the first was more of the suspense or "horror" in general

[gaunt hatch]

how are the nerfs for him

[hasty timber]

Basically didn't change much, they just patched out a loop

[gaunt hatch]

the jab utilt down gun

?

[hasty timber]

IDK I just got the character lol

[eager vector]

So whats the bread and butter combo for smith?:3

[mint loom]

Well hello there haven't seen u in a bit

[eager vector]

UwU

[modern salmon]

So happy multiversus saved time by only watching one movie and ignoring the climax of matrix 2 where agent smith becomes the icon he is🥰🥰🥰

We stand for lazy game devs

#LetPFGHave2MoreYearsHiatus ❤️❤️❤️

[mint loom]

What if someone likes agent smith from the first movie only like can u not fathom that

Is it impossible

Alternate reality

Why tf does it matter anyway

They made him fun while doing the matrix justice by including so much stuff from the movie

Like holy

Actually makes no sense to think its lazy

Yeah they 100% saved so much time fr so much time

It would have taken the same time to make him with moves from the 2nd movie onwards

Who cares

[modern salmon]

People who like the matrix franchise and know that they gave him a lazy moveset bc they couldn't be arsed to watch beyond the first film

Thankfully the world has 🏇 like you to praise tony for being lazy 🫶

[true marsh]

His kit is a bit basic yea

Like look at his kit compared to morty lol

I think morty got the best kit reference wise

They got moves spanning from different seasons

/episodes

It's awesome imo

[mint loom]

Majority of matrix fans I've seen dog on the 2nd and 3rd films anyway

[modern salmon]

Reloaded is pretty well received id say. Revolutions is where they start messing up their own rules lol

Forgetting their plot

Dont mean agent smith wasnt cooler in them and had his iconic cloning power

[mint loom]

Debatable

His cloning ability is obviously his coolest but smith can also be cooler in the 1st movie overall

[civic juniper]

The movies do get a bit dumb down the line but I do like the final battle versus Smith in the 3rd one. Smith and Neo both have cool lines in the finale.

Though I was pretty confused by the party scene of the second movie

[modern salmon]

Yeah regardless of how you feel. The climactic battle between neo and agent smith where its him vs a horde of smiths is his most iconic scene

Unfortunately pfg didnt watch that clip !!

[rancid jasper]

I do wonder, how do you incorporate all that into his moveset
make smiths down special into stevens I guess
every special move just spawns clones
I dunno

[eager vector]

Imo smith is the coolest and most iconic in matrix 1
When he starts cloning obviously he becomes this unbeatable villain and thats awesome, but he forgets about the gun and he just goes Yoshi style
But the subway fight,bullet dodging, calling down on agents, use of guns are more iconic to him imo

And im pretty sure the pose he hits after up special is from the final fight in matrix 3

[wicked imp]

Nah Smith’s character arc in the second and third movies was actually really good

He went from bad guy in Matrix 1 to rival in 2 and 3

The plot of Matrix 1 is easily the best of the 3 movies, but Smith’s character development was better in 2 and 3

[modern salmon]

Yeah smith goes from just another agent to a real threat to both the matrix and neo

Agent smith is coolest when he has become that chaos threat

Not the smith that just calls agents for help and chases neo with a gun

[eager vector]

You can put anything that way
I can say that smith "just" clones himself a million times

And still gets his butt kicked

[true marsh]

I actually liked the second and third movies

Third was yea uh

It's own thing

But the second was still gas to

Suprised ppl hate it

[onyx sequoia]

Say anyone know why Agent Smith's chat labeled assassin?

[true marsh]

Probaly nostalgia tinted glssses

[onyx sequoia]

....
Yoshi?

What do you mean by that? 😭

[onyx sequoia]

I'm not gonna cap.
Every moveset suggestion I've seen is just the most toxic gameplay mechanic that would never get a pass by anyone if it wasn't a reference to something.

[rapid cairn]

yo what are smiths combos

[nova plover]

the same as last patch

[rapid cairn]

i didn't have him last patch so idk what they are

[nova plover]

jab up tilt dair nspecial

[rapid cairn]

nspecial doesnt work

[nova plover]

oh yea that’s only on burnout

jab1 grounded nspeical can loop into its self across the stage

[hazy flare]

doesn't work at low damage either because dair doesn't force ground bounce

[nova plover]

yea they have to be burned out or at around 50-60

[nova plover]

And once you get to the edge you can use neutral grounded to end the combo

[civic juniper]

miiiiisterrrr anndderrssooonnnnn

[civic juniper]

In a universe where PFG has infinite money and licensing power, I would have loved to see Clubbed to Death remixed into a song for a Matrix stage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlDBqvc7Mw0

[rancid jasper]

what would be a good matrix stage
I guess a subway right? never saw the movies but didn't an iconic fight happen in the subway
what else uhh
well I guess a rainy stage in the alley with a ton of smiths in the background, but I dunno if there would be too much clutter from that

[civic juniper]

the latter would probably cause too much visual confusion unfortunately

[rapid cairn]

a moving truck

[civic juniper]

It's unfortunate that they arent exactly giving every new character a stage as I would come to expect from Smash Bros

[rapid cairn]

i would appreciate neo sooner rather than later

[rancid jasper]

I can only assume we'll get stages later for fighters, of course is either a stage first or a character first, never together it seems

[civic juniper]

There is some visual glitches I saw in Season 1's rifts that made me wonder if there were some unused Matrix things in the game

For one, Shaggy wore sunglasses during a Shark Week rift lol

(For the record I don't know anything, I'm just guessing)

[rancid jasper]

oh yeah, there was a like
matrix sunglasses cosmetic that hasn't happened
I think T&Js shark week costume used that as a icon instead

[civic juniper]

And an icon for Tom & Jerry wearing sunglasses was just in the selection screen

yea

[rancid jasper]

it was just basic sunglasses but with a green tint

but it hasn't shown up anywhere else yet

[civic juniper]

im trying to be vague so i dont get in trouble lol

[rancid jasper]

I do like the idea of simple costumes like that, but it makes me miss gold from the beta cus what would cost free gold now costs gleamium

I also have like 20k fighter currency I'm just sitting on cus I have everyone, if it was beta gold I could be getting, I dunno something!

[civic juniper]

im sitting on 21k with everyone in the game

[rancid jasper]

yeap

[civic juniper]

Wonder how many Fighter Tickets i'd have right now if I had the highest tier founder pack

....I'd have like 13 more apparently

Or something to that effect

[mint loom]

I think we should provide feedback in the feedback channel so they can implement a sort of currency exchange where we can trade the different currencies that are not being used

[onyx sequoia]

It's a long shot but I think it's a cool idea.

[hidden whale]

me converting 10k perk currency in fighter currency

[onyx sequoia]

🙏

[hidden whale]

truly a mad man

[nova plover]

I want this in game rn

[hidden whale]

yea

would be so good

[nova plover]

I have like 70k perk stuff

[hidden whale]

and also unlock pass characters for fighter currency

i get it that the pass is basically free if u grinded the one before

but it s still a stupid thing

[west barn]

me when i actually use my gleamium and dont hold it for the next pass like most of the playerbase

[civic juniper]

Oh hey I was wondering where you were earlier. Do you plan on getting that golfer skin

[west barn]

im thinking on it

[gusty marten]

Is hand canon a direct upgrade or side grade

[hazy flare]

side grade