Jason

[tropic eagle]

Legit.

And DON'T NERF HITSTUN ON HIS ONLY COMBO STARTER.

Also important.

Like yeah it isn't his only starter but it's the best and most consistent.

[atomic cedar]

or make jason

yknow

human sized

and not comically large

[scenic lagoon]

Already does

[muted dove]

How do u approach as him

[atomic cedar]

I mean purely a timer

No “doing 1 move gets rid of it” and “2 hits get rid of it.”

[dry slate]

I think you might have stick-flick. I know I do, sometimes inputing a forward air and having Jason turn around and attack away from the opponent at times

[muted dove]

How do u guys approach as jason

[thick basalt]

I just stand there

menacingly

[dry slate]

Tbh, the most optimal way to "approach" is to wait with your grey health and let your enemy approach instead. You gotta be patient, because rushing in and making one mistake can cost you a stock in some scenarios

[tulip plaza]

if you approach in this game at all you lose, so you really do have to stand there menacingly hoping your opponent will use all their dodge meter getting to you

[muted dove]

I se

After getting whooped by a bugs I feel like dropping bro fr

[tulip plaza]

I mean I just kinda haven't had the drive to play him in a long time, they refuse to give him the tools he needs so all the top tiers stay as the only played characters in the game you fight

[muted dove]

I agree

It's very unfun and annoying

I'm having way more enjoyment with samurai jack

[dry slate]

Jack is just better Jason, but damn it I love Jason too much to drop him

[west cloak]

Play both

[dry slate]

I do

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[dry slate]

...because that's what a Tank is meant to do?

[tiny cave]

#clips message

how to beat a samurai jack as jason

he works the same as jason

just be carefull when you dodge

[fickle ledge]

Unrelated note why is this chat have a Brusier label?

He needs it.

[dry slate]

Wait, where do you see that?

Nvm, I see it now. That's weird

[fickle ledge]

Bed into dodge read up-b never gets old.

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[fickle ledge]

85 huh.

I love this bottom tier character.

[knotty sage]

agent smith has assassin too

[fickle ledge]

"Hard to kill"

Is a little generous.

[knotty sage]

high kill power makes sense when you have a lot of start up on nearly every move

[fickle ledge]

Jason offstage needs resources for anything that isn't slow to startup.

[knotty sage]

and are massive so you get juggled a lot

jason is like what i expected tanks to be, high kill power, really hard to kill but hard to get a hit with

[fickle ledge]

Not saying Jason's gonna be gimped cause Teleport covers a large distance.
It's just pretty telegraphed and more likely to get you punished then get you back safe.

[knotty sage]

same way arya is how i expected assassins to be
lightweight low framedata combo monsters

[fickle ledge]

And Jason's hurtbox when combined with his weight means combo strings last longer.
Sure they need those extension since it'd take longer to get you to death % otherwise
but since you're not playing Iron Giant you're likely to get to kill % only a little bit after a normal character would assuming they know their punish game well enough.

When I meet a T&J if they know paddle loops there's a good chance they'll 3-0 me. 💀

He still only has a handful of fast moves.

There's Jab/Nair/U-air and that's kinda it.

[tiny cave]

jason with 10 of rage can counter fully concentrated jack

#clips message

[fickle ledge]

Cause if he just tanks hits he's not getting anywhere.
He'll just sit there and die.

This isn't Overwatch where you can just have low damage and have 2 other characters cover that for you.

[knotty sage]

who do you play usually?

[fickle ledge]

You only got one teammate at most, and 0 at least.

If he can't hold is own he'll be even worse than he is now.

[knotty sage]

who are you playing to die so early

bro

[west cloak]

Dude you out neutral Jason like 10 fold

[timber cedar]

the way only Jason is killing that early is if your getting hit by raged ax

[knotty sage]

also YOUR MORTY

[timber cedar]

and at that point it’s a skill issue

[west cloak]

Jason legitimately needs to kill early to not be bottom 1

[timber cedar]

it’s the most telegraphed attack ever

[knotty sage]

Jason is super slow just camp him out he cant do anything when hes getting camped

[dry slate]

Why are all the Morty's complaining about Jason when you can easily destroy our character and camp him with ease??

[west cloak]

Literally just spam dirt, grenades, and blaster and you win

[knotty sage]

so your upset that you die early playing a very light character

[fickle ledge]

It's an okay advantage on it's own
It just gives you more chances to screw up, and considering some of the top-tiers like Gizmo or Arya. After enough play you'll often not need those extra chances to see success.
If there's no reliable win condition after you survive or few ways to escape a bad spot after you survive.
You're just delaying your demise.
It's the same reason like Bastiodon is a terrible pokemon

[west cloak]

Nah Jason needs it. It’s like saying Ganondorf in Smash shouldn’t kill early when it’s literally the only thing the character has

[knotty sage]

yeah its like one of the big things about heavies, they hit hard and can take a beating

[tiny cave]

the only way of jason to kill early is using rage

[dry slate]

You come into the JASON chat as a Morty main, complain about our character that you could easily counter and expect us to just agree?

[tiny cave]

every clip i send on how to kill samurai jack

all of them

are killed with rage

and the bed

also the last clip i send

the samurai jack failed the first concentrated attack

if he didnt i would be dead

[knotty sage]

bc of his slow frame data and massive size making him combo food

[west cloak]

Because he needs it

That’s the answer

[tiny cave]

the only way to kill early as jason is
1 using rage being at 70-80
2 the oponent doesnt know to dodge

[west cloak]

If Jason didn’t kill until like 100%, he’d be a horrible character

[unique pewter]

I mean technically you're right he rings out at higher percentages typically, but it's also super easy to get him to those percentages, and the one move he has to protect himself also raises his damage, so he has to be able to kill or he has nothing

[fickle ledge]

Tanks in most games aren't in fighting games.

That's the biggest diff maker.

[west cloak]

Excluding IG, Jason has the slowest movement, the worst frame data, the biggest hurtbox, and a lackluster combo game against most characters

[fickle ledge]

Mobas are team games
Fighting games are mostly 1v1
MVS is in the middle.

So they can't design their characters too much like or the other.

[west cloak]

On top of no way to deal with projectiles

[fickle ledge]

This is simply of those concessions.

[west cloak]

Ngl if you’re dying to anything but charged axe with rage at 50, I think you’re just DI’ing poorly

[knotty sage]

its likely you got hit by jason in rage, which increases his knockback a lot

[unique pewter]

I mean it's also positioning, I'd have to see what's happening to really know what you mean, because if he catches you near an edge it doesn't really matter the percentage, and if you're not dodging the charged attacks that's just something you have to learn about the mu

[fickle ledge]

50 is only too early in a vacuum.
In context Jason never kills that early without setup/read or bad positioning from his opponent.

You might be thinking of Iron Giant.

[knotty sage]

although as morty you just gotta use plumbus to knock his rage out, since armor break moves instantly cancel his rage

[west cloak]

IG kills at zero off of nair

He’s even more extreme than Jason

[fickle ledge]

I'm presonally more of a 2 fast 2 block fan.

It has better burst movement while being harder to react to.

And last stand isn't exactly the safest best against Jason.

Unless you're again Iron Giant. 😭

[west cloak]

Tell us what specifically are you dying from

[unique pewter]

you can put it in clips, but you may draw some comments depending on what the clip is like lol

[fickle ledge]

Oh right bad DI is also gonna land you an early grave.

[west cloak]

Because all you’ve said is “I die at 50” with no other context

[knotty sage]

i honestly really hope they figure out a balance for IG, bc if they can get him to work then it can change a LOT for other platform fighters

[fickle ledge]

Hold out for bed.

Hold in for side-b.

[fickle ledge]

Here's a tip
Make him smaller.

And go from there.

[knotty sage]

well then that defeats the point doesnt it

[west cloak]

Nah IG should stay big

He’s the most unique platform fighter character

[fickle ledge]

The point is to make him a better designed character.

[knotty sage]

hes litearlly called the Iron GIANT

[west cloak]

It’s what Smash should’ve done with Ridley but Sakuri was scared

[dry slate]

The Iron Big

[fickle ledge]

You can still keep him the biggest character in game.

Just don't make him twice the size of Jason and maybe you can make a dude that isn't this obnoxious to fight.

[west cloak]

You mean less interesting

[fickle ledge]

Like I get big characters are cool and funny or whatever.

[dry slate]

Send them in #clips

[muted dove]

Booorimg

[fickle ledge]

But they're either
Bad or given degenerate tools just so they can function.
Blitztank
MVC2 Sentinel
Iron Tager from Blazblue
Kazuya
They've all been there, and all fell into the one of two boxes.

[west cloak]

IG’s issue is the removal of attack decay in favor of stale moves

[knotty sage]

#clips message

[dry slate]

#clips message

[knotty sage]

ill be honest all i can say is dodge the very telegraphed down air/up special

[west cloak]

Well, the bot dying there is because of bad DI

[unique pewter]

ye rage dude, and you were already at sixty and up special is one of his kill moves, so he hit you with that near 80ish damage above the top half of the screen on and that's pretty much it

[west cloak]

If you’re going straight up after getting hit by up special, you messed up

[fickle ledge]

I'd rather him be """""boring"""""
If it means he doesn't get to be the only character in the game with a frame 0 combo breaker.

(It's not actually frame 0 but he can do it before he's actionable tradtionally so I'm calling it that)

[unique pewter]

didn't you have 60 damage before he even touched you? I gotta watch again

[west cloak]

That requires him to land a dair with rage and for you to not DI properly

[dry slate]

Just don't let Jason get that close. With Morty, that's easy. Also, DI was something the bot wasn't doing, so there's potentially a chance to live. Also, try to save your dodges. Being out of dodges and "burnt out" is Jason's time to strike.

[fickle ledge]

Didn't they remove his combos into down air?

Heck cause it's rage you literally can't combo into down air when boosted.

[knotty sage]

you may have had an argument if they didnt JUST remove his combo into dair

[west cloak]

Dair -> up special isn’t true at 45 without rage

[dry slate]

That's Jab1 + Down Air, not Down Air + Aerial Up Special

[west cloak]

It sounds like you just need to play around rage more

[fickle ledge]

The problem isn't that he got close.

[unique pewter]

ah okay ye you did, I just read the 60 as the damage was happening... yea I mean, you just can't eat his up special is the main thing... any rage move into an up special on the top half of the screen is gonna be close to a kill if not a kill

[fickle ledge]

The problem is that you let the giant sluggish man baby hit you with down air in neutral.

Which shouldn't be happening.

[unique pewter]

the knockback on up special is one of his better killmoves imo

[knotty sage]

your playing morty, you can do that very easily anyway, jason is slow and very easy to camp out since he doesnt have anything mobile or fast

[dry slate]

You can still dodge momentum to the right??

[west cloak]

Run away from him

If he whiffs one move while he has rage, he loses it

[fickle ledge]

You don't go into burnout with making a couple bad choices regardless.
Plus dodges still displace your hurtbox without the I-frames it's still useful for getting away.

[dry slate]

He's. A. Heavy. You're basically complaining about this game's Ganondorf.

[fickle ledge]

IG can do that.
Potienal is scary and all
But if it's only if & when and never is
Then it's not a balancing concern.

[west cloak]

I can try and find the Finn and Joker death combos for you

[tiny cave]

Bro why i just found a finn spammer in Golden league 💀

[west cloak]

And they work at zero

[dry slate]

Sounds about right

[unique pewter]

Plenty of people can ladder off the top at low percentages honestly, you got too close to the blast zone and took a big knockback move, that works for every character pretty much

I do the same thing with Stripe

[fickle ledge]

Like a training mode combo < a real match combo < a tournament VOD

[west cloak]

Superman nair -> sair kills at any percent if landed at ledge

[fickle ledge]

You got hit by Jason down air.

On stage.

[west cloak]

Rage dair

[fickle ledge]

That too

[west cloak]

That’s a very important distinction

Normal dair to up special doesn’t kill at 45

[unique pewter]

well you run away from him in burnout, especially when he has rage, I just mean you got into a position where he could hit you with a kill move on the top half of the screen, it's not like the percentage matters if you get knocked out of the level, it could be 45 or 10 but you get near an edge and get hit with the right move and you're toast, happens with side ringouts on the basketball level all the time

[fickle ledge]

As an extreme example
If you die at 16% to a Warlock Punch.
Is Warlock Punch a broken move?
Of course not because there's not a situation where Ganondorf can reliably land it.
The combo you linked
Isn't as hard to land as Warlock Punch, but it's impractical for a similar reason.
Jason cannot do any other attack and maintain the rage buff.
Meaning he used the rage without getting punished
ran up or dodged over to you.
Did the move raw and you got hit
Before you down attacked or did more than 10 to at most 20%.

[craggy lagoon]

greetings jasoncord

[west cloak]

So it sounds like to me Syk that you’re complaining that Jason kills too early with rage confirms and everyone else is trying to tell you that you just need to play around it better by camping him out and using your zoning tools which Jason has no answer for or try and force him to whiff using movement

[fickle ledge]

This isn't a likely situation in virutally any capacity.

[craggy lagoon]

how are we doing my jasoners

[fickle ledge]

If you weren't
Then what's the problem?

[knotty sage]

then waht move did you get hit by?

[fickle ledge]

I am under the assumption.
This is supposed to be an example on why Jason has too much kill power.

If the example is a combo you can't reliably land.

Why should anyone be concerned?

[west cloak]

He needs it to balance out his flaws

It’s literally the classic archetype of big slow character needs kill power to be viable

[fickle ledge]

Of course have done that before.
But if it's against bad player who don't know the matchup.

Then that isn't a balancing concern.

[west cloak]

Like can you imagine how much worse Zangief would be in Street Fighter if he didn’t have spinning pile driver?

[fickle ledge]

The point isn't that you'll never hit it.
It's just when you do it's 9 times out of 10 a skill issue.

Jason is currently one of the worst character in the entire game.

Funnily enough

[west cloak]

The only definitive worse characters than Jason are Lebron and Velma

[fickle ledge]

Oh right Jake got buffed.

Forgot to check on those TBH.

Hope he's doing well.

[west cloak]

And you can make an argument for Rick, Jake (even tho he was buffed), and Garnet being worse too

But Jason is like 6th or 7th worst in the game at best

[timber cedar]

I think Jason is worse than Rick

so 6-5th worst rn

[fickle ledge]

I'd say Jason is worse than Rick.
But no lie playing the Jason MU as Rick without 2fast2block is 😬

[timber cedar]

with 2fast2block is even tho

[fickle ledge]

Fo sho.

[west cloak]

Rick beats Jason, but like 80% of the cast doesn’t get hit by laser and Rick then has no neutral

[timber cedar]

Rick is one of few characters who has a actual good dash attack

[west cloak]

Rick’s only genuinely good move is jab lmao

[fickle ledge]

Can't wait for next patch and it's just Melee Falco lasers.

That's true for IG.

[west cloak]

Dude fast falling with Rick cancels laser

It sucks

[fickle ledge]

Less true for Jason because of mediocre recovery.

[timber cedar]

I’d argue portals would be good if it was on a different character

[fickle ledge]

Portals would be such a broken move on Gizmo or bloody crime against humanity Morty.

[west cloak]

Or T&J or Marvin

Yes, that’s the trade off for them taking like 50% every time they get hit

[fickle ledge]

Problem being is that due to the after mentioned lack of good combo breakers/poor landing options/bad mobility/telegraphed recovery/poor neutral
And needing dodge meter to get around all of this making burnout a common issue if you want to play the game like everyone else.

Means that Jason is likely to take more damage than the avg character for losing an interaction.

[west cloak]

If you DI wrong then yeah

[fickle ledge]

Reason why IG is the exception is cause lol lmao no accountability c-c-c-c-COMBO-BREAKER

[timber cedar]

Jason thrives off of stupid mistakes

so just don’t make them

[west cloak]

Don’t forget he can actually combo off of burst too lmao

[fickle ledge]

😭

[timber cedar]

peak game balance

get punished for doing a combo

with a combo

[west cloak]

VoiD was disappointed they didn’t nerf his ability to combo off of burst

[fickle ledge]

I haven't a seen a comboable burst since like 2011.

And she was also top 5 character. 😭

[timber cedar]

that void vid made me depressed

the fact that he’s hesitant to show off cool stuff

[west cloak]

Yeah it sucks man

I’m starting to feel the same way like I shouldn’t share too spicy of clips or anything lest Shaggy gets nerfed again

[timber cedar]

I don’t post smith clips for that exact reason

[fickle ledge]

The real reason people stopped playing Velma.
If they found anything too cool she'd get nerfed even harder.

[west cloak]

Like yeah jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> up special was a really dumb confirm and needed to not kill at 60

But their solution was to gut utilt so it only combos into uair which basically never kills

[timber cedar]

why not nerf up specials kill power

oh wait they did

[west cloak]

They did that too

[timber cedar]

just not the grounded version

[fickle ledge]

Like Shaggy wasn't better designed back when his Nair looped forever or killed you at 90.
But gosh darn it he was more fun.

[west cloak]

They did both and overcorrected

[west cloak]

Dude I never even used those.

[timber cedar]

they don’t give shaggy any compensating buffs for gutting his combo game

but god forbid they nerf Morty or ww

[west cloak]

I used jab 1,2 -> dair confirms but those got removed too

Dodge jab loops also got removed

[timber cedar]

peak balancing

[west cloak]

Like they’re taking away all the sauce from Shaggy

[fickle ledge]

Okay those were lame.

[west cloak]

He’s so basic now

[fickle ledge]

I'm not defending those. 😭

I can only take so much.

[west cloak]

I know

But they were something he had

[fickle ledge]

Look on the brightside down-tilt has a funny clap now. 🤷‍♀️

[west cloak]

I mean, their first nerf to jab nair loops was to make nair negative on hit at low percents lmao

[west cloak]

Bro it doesn’t even combo past mid percents lmao

And they removed the slow effect from dtilt 2

I know I’m complaining in Jason chat, so I’ll stop now

I have fun fighting Jason

But the Jason player probably doesn’t have fun

[fickle ledge]

Yeah 9 times out of 10 I'm either playing the ditto or jab looping him to 90% of a single neutral win.

I got something mad goofy on a Jason the other day.

I love how this starts with me dying at 60 to a command grab (He conditioned to shield and punished accordingly so I deserved it ngl)
#clips message

[tiny cave]

Morty is too fast and got buffed in the start of the season

Also some mortys just spam the spikes against jason

[dry slate]

Idk why no Morty I've seen, either on here or youtube, really acknowledges his buffs at all and still complain

[west cloak]

Ok but he gets sair 1 -> uair now

[unique pewter]

Morty and T&J are what I feel the most fear queuing into with Jason honestly lol, because when they're good I just get totally melted lol

[west cloak]

Which is better than sair 1,2

[dry slate]

Because I've seen Morty players say he's worse now despite being better than last patch. They think that the travel distance on Mudwall will be detrimental to their character.

I've quite literally had to describe every buff Morty got to one because they didn't even bother to remember or read Morty's patch notes

[west cloak]

Dude the distance nerf is like half of Scooby’s which is insane because that stage is the largest

[dry slate]

I know

[west cloak]

God forbid you play on Cromulons (idk how to spell it) or Water Tower where it goes full stage

[tiny cave]

bro ur complaining about the fatest character with worst hitboxes in the whole game we already tell You the only reason he kills early is rage mode

[west cloak]

You wanna talk about broken? Yesterday I got hit by Morty jab 1,2 -> dirt -> uair x2 while in burnout and I died at 40

[tiny cave]

Also he's combo food most of the time

[west cloak]

So like Morty can also kill at absurd percents

Touché

If you get hit in burnout, almost every character can zero to death

[dry slate]

Because it's also a combo that kills at low percent like you described Jason doing?

[west cloak]

Because you were previously talking about how Jason killing you at 50 while in burnout was dumb and should be removed and you didn’t understand why he needed it

[bleak cosmos]

Raged teleports are really good. Don’t attack just teleport with armor. The teleport typically connects into raged side air

[muted dove]

Ooooo

[dry slate]

Buddy, if you're getting hit by Down Air in neutral, you gotta adjust your Morty playstyle

[west cloak]

Jab 1,2 -> dirt -> uair kills at like 80 anyway so idk man Morty is just too good. Why does he need that?

[dry slate]

Then WHAT move was it??

[west cloak]

Like Jason needs absurd kill power to balance out his weaknesses of being big, combo food, slow, and no projectile counter

[dry slate]

I would LOVE to help, but you haven't told use what you got hit by. If it was a charged rage boosted bed, that's on you.

[unique pewter]

he put it in clips... if you wanna see it... he eats a rage down air into an up special while in burnout and it kills him at 45 starting damage

[west cloak]

Why does Morty need absurd kill power?

[dry slate]

He just said it wasnt the right move that hit him

He showed a different combo

[west cloak]

Dude we asked for a specific combo and you provided that example

And then you said you didn’t get hit by it

[dry slate]

Then.

Why.

Are.

You.

Here.

[unique pewter]

ye I'm so confused lol, just to complain I guess

so you're complaining on behalf of others? it's like just a thing that's worrying you? lol move along

[timber cedar]

where’s that get out audio

lemme find it

[west cloak]

Like you came in here to complain and ask why Jason has a lot of kill power. We gave you valid reasons and you just basically ignored them

[dry slate]

Because they're heavies meant to kill lightweights easily.

Lol. Lmao even.

Get out.

[west cloak]

LMAO HE DELETED THE MESSAGES

[unique pewter]

I think you are the one who is not listening, but I'm over it, we wanted to help you understand what happened to you, now you say it didn't happen to you, but then what is the point of this conversation... no one here is going to agree that Jason is overpowered because we all play him and it's obvious he isn't

[west cloak]

Dude you literally complained, deleted the evidence, and are trying to gaslight people into thinking you didn’t

[unique pewter]

Now I'm literally not listening because I blocked them, I don't have time for this pedantic bs

[knotty sage]

Heavies in platform fighters are typically denoted by large hitboxes, high damage, and high defense, at the cost of low mobility, framedata, large hurtboxes, and options besides "run at them and punch", its because of these very debilitating downsides that they need the seemingly very strong upsides

[west cloak]

And the reason why you shouldn’t just “tone down his weaknesses and strengths” is because that’s boring

Like would he be more viable if he were smaller, faster, and had less kill power? Probably

[knotty sage]

Heavies often look for those "rare high moments" of hitting one move and sending their opponent back the their original movie, show, game, etc.

[west cloak]

But then he wouldn’t be unique

The less unique a character is, the more easily they’re forgotten

[knotty sage]

that would remove some of his identity of (in my opinion) being the standard of what the "Tank" class should be

[west cloak]

And why play a character that plays the same as others if they’re statistically worse?

[knotty sage]

it also wouldnt solve the issue of his hurtboxes being very big and his lack of options

[bleak cosmos]

Good point. Jason’s character design is on point. Since he’s got a lot of people playing him even tho he’s still bottom tier

[knotty sage]

heavies are just fun

[west cloak]

Like what if we decided to make Morty heavier but also add a cooldown to dirt and remove its weaken, nerf hair’s kill power, make sair 1 not able to combo into anything besides sair 2, and make sair 2 a middle of the road kill move instead of a low percent combo extender?

Would you agree with that?

[bleak cosmos]

Yeah I only ever play heavies lol. Can’t deal with the sweating of a light character

[west cloak]

Now Morty doesn’t die at 50 but he can’t reliably kill until like 100+

And he doesn’t get any broken combos

[knotty sage]

its why i dont like WW bc she just feels like they took an assassin and gave her tank's bonuses

[dry slate]

So... turn him into another bruiser

[wide shale]

tags are meaningless anyways, unless you're doing missions

[bleak cosmos]

I actually don’t mind WW. Her attacks have a lot of wind up and she’s got a lot of utility to deal with people’s bs. She would be a legitimate tank if they just toned down her movement speed

[west cloak]

Ok sure but you have a better neutral in exchange for killing like 30% later

https://tenor.com/view/haha-so-funny-gif-27253208

[dry slate]

I dont think gifs work outside of clips or memes

[west cloak]

Dude Superman is literally known for being a one-trick zero to death character

He has one strong zero to death at ledge and that’s it

[bleak cosmos]

Jason never kills at 50 unless ur getting hit by a raged up special

[tiny cave]

Tanks are meant to be extremely agressive but easily dodged

[bleak cosmos]

And even then his up special is soooooo slow

[west cloak]

If I die at 50 to a Jason, that’s my fault and I’ll own it

I messed up and let myself get hit

[tiny cave]

True

[west cloak]

No it’s really just rage and he needs it to be any sort of viable

[dry slate]

And thus, the Morty main realizes Rage carries Jason

[tiny cave]

Only raged up attack can kill early SO You messed up

[wide shale]

with rage a fully charged bed/axe can oneshot lighter characters at 0

[west cloak]

He needs a fear factor to stop people from just rushing him because he’s defenseless

[bleak cosmos]

That’s on them if they get hit by a fully charged and raged bed lol. Takes a century to charge up

[west cloak]

It’s funny to watch Harley players autopilot nair into my rage fully charged bed

You have projectiles

And Jason loses rage if he whiffs any move except mist

[wide shale]

finn is still my biggest worry, i literally cant touch him, he stuffs out EVERYTHING with ANY move

[dry slate]

It's the ONLY armor he gets, and then again, it SUCKS that it counts as armor when it truly isn't supposed to be armor. Use your plumbus. Use your projectiles. Mudwall works too. Make the Jason whiff.

Hell, the armor break perk might be your best friend if you just wanna take the easy route out

[bleak cosmos]

Plumbus is solid against Jason. It has a lot of priority and Jason’s down air is again. Sooooo slow

[west cloak]

This is literally going back to like a half hour ago or so when I said just camp Jason out when he has rage and then punish him if he whiffs a move

That’s the counterplay to rage

And Morty has all the tools to do it

[tiny cave]

Up attacks with rage can kill early. If You try to attack a raged Jason then You messed up

[unique pewter]

Wake me when it’s over 😴

[dry slate]

Armor Killer. Equip that and just shoot that neutral attack once. Bam. Jason's fuuuuucked.

[bleak cosmos]

Yeah Jason counters dirt. If he starts the animation all it takes is a tp

[bleak cosmos]

Armor killer is terrible. It lasts for like 2 seconds

Pretty sure it’s meant for Superman

[wide shale]

i only use armor killer on WW and supes

[dry slate]

It neutralizes Jason's grey health if the opponent has projectiles, a.k.a., Morty in this case. His neutral special gun screws Jason with that perk

[bleak cosmos]

Could say the same thing about dirt. He’s the only character that counters it

[dry slate]

Sorry, neutral attack, not special

[bleak cosmos]

Yeah but rage has like a 10 second cooldown after it disappears so armor killer won’t matter

[west cloak]

Wait does it remove all of Jason’s gray health?

[dry slate]

It decimates all of it

[west cloak]

Bruh

[wide shale]

does that hit also cause knockback?

or is another hit required?

[bleak cosmos]

Nah he has to do enough damage. So he’s gotta spam it for a while

[dry slate]

Evem with the cooldown, that's 10 seconds he's vulnerable because Morty pressed his attack button once

[dry slate]

No, Armor Killer shatters his grey health

Trust me, I've been screwed over by it too many times

[west cloak]

If Jason has max charge, does something like a jab delete all of his gray health? And does it also ignore armor and cause knockback? With the perk

[dry slate]

Another hit is required for knockback, but projectiles are perfect for that perk

[atomic cedar]

yeah this patch is awful

[bleak cosmos]

Armor killer isn’t support to remove gray health. It’s just supposed to stop armor after u break it?

[wide shale]

jasons gray health is for some reason considered armor

[west cloak]

This sounds like a PFG game broke moment

[bleak cosmos]

I haven’t seen that once. Currently top 35 Jason

[wide shale]

and armor break moves destroy all of it

[west cloak]

No one uses it because everyone uses pugilist since it’s objectively the best perk in every matchup except against Jason

[bleak cosmos]

Yeah I know about that. But he’s talking about Morty’s neutral which is the laser that just deals damage. Doesn’t break armor

[west cloak]

But Jason is still not a good character even without armor killer against him

[wide shale]

they're talking about with armor breaker though

[dry slate]

Ok, let me quickly explain:

Jason's passive is that whenever he gets grey health, he gains no knockback. For some reason, the devs programmed this as armor instead (and only his neutral special grey health activates his passive too), so all armor break moves/perks shatter and ignore the grey health, adding on 15% to whatever attack they do if the grey health is fully charged

[dry slate]

With ARMOR KILLER, you don't need to use an armor break move. You can use ANY move go shatter armor

[wide shale]

do we know what the ranked jasons skins look like?

[dry slate]

Think of a galaxy skin. Idk if that's ranked, but that is coming up soon

[wide shale]

i saw that one, some kinda sparkly purple skin

[bleak cosmos]

Ah ok did not know that. Thought it had to be an armor break move then it locks them out

[fickle ledge]

Uhhh....

Wuh?

Why?

😭

[wide shale]

sair 1? where's sair 2?

[west cloak]

He NeEdS iT

[wide shale]

oh morty

[tulip plaza]

I'd have to get it
galaxy is my entire brand

[bleak cosmos]

U need to be better than top 10 for most characters to unlock it

So good luck lol

Especially as Jason

[knotty sage]

i think they said only jack got ranked skins

[tulip plaza]

emoji disintegrating gif

[wide shale]

oh lame

[west cloak]

Is it only him?

And do you need to use Jack to get it or can you use anyone?

[timber cedar]

you can get it with anyone

it’s just the skins are only for Jack

[west cloak]

Oof

Missed opportunity to have it as a skin for each character

[dry slate]

I think they're gonna add ranked skins for characters overtime in upcoming seasons

[west cloak]

Yeah that might be the idea

[timber cedar]

I think the ranked skins are gonna be for the new characters

[dry slate]

Maybe whenever Beetlejuice comes, there'll be more

[dry slate]

I don't see why they wouldn't now tbh

[west cloak]

Would’ve been more interesting to have generic ranked skins for each character for getting them to a certain rank

Something like how every character has a matrix skin

But instead a ranked theme

[tiny cave]

who would thought that a clip on how to defeat samurai jack would start a discussion

[west cloak]

It’d reward people for grinding through ranked with multiple characters

[bleak cosmos]

Where is this clip 🤔

[dry slate]

A platinum Jason skin would go so hard ngl

[wide shale]

there's already a gold superman skin, guess they'd have to improvise

[west cloak]

Platinum Superman

[tiny cave]

i said how to defeat samurai jack and jason and send clips defeating 3 different jacks using the same trick

#clips message

[west cloak]

I really don’t want to spend like $20 on Uncle Shagworthy, so I’m unfortunately stuck with either default or shark hat Shaggy

But I at least have Uber Jason and Matrix Jason

[tiny cave]

to get the platinum skins for samurai jack can i use any character?

bc im in platinum with jason

[west cloak]

That’s what I heard yeah

[tiny cave]

does that work?

[west cloak]

I thought you needed master rank unless I’m mistaken

And idk if you get it immediately or at the end of the season

[tiny cave]

it says at the end

so i have gold and platinum jack

[dry slate]

I think making just his skin color golden and making his clothes have unique patterns like Jack

[dry slate]

Meant to reply to this mb

[bleak cosmos]

Ahh yes the raged bed and baiting out the dodge into the up special. Figured this out too lol.

[wide shale]

i'd just assume if they had to do each ranked color for each character, they'd just do a color pass on an existing skin to save on time

or add one of those filters like the matrix/cosmic filters

[bleak cosmos]

Also send more clips @tiny cave . Im also tryna hit plat and could use some tips lol. Currently 35

[tiny cave]

Theres like 5 clips in #clips

And they were 3 different jacks

#clips message

#clips message

#clips message

#clips message

Also when they are close the bottom blast zone i wait for them to Dodge and then doing the up special

Up baiting

[frosty swallow]

Jason wins the Jack match up if the Jack player has no hands

[tiny cave]

Hes fun to fight against being jason

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[dry slate]

Ranked has made me grow a hatred towards Dexter's Lab with Jason tbh

Those platforms mess me up a lot, especially with ladder combos in this game

[frosty lynx]

I was top 10 jason last night prayin my placement didn't get demolished overnight

[unique pewter]

Good luck… I’ve yet to have the time to really try ranked yet but I’m sure it will be sweaty… although I play mostly 2s so maybe it will be an improvement since most people will be actually trying in there and a lot of the losses I was having in 2s were from teammates just getting wrecked or suiciding after one stock

[frosty lynx]

dawg I'm only top 20 now tragic 🐴

[tiny cave]

Me too i sometimes accidently pull out the sleeping bag instead of the down machete attack

[dry slate]

Uugggghhhh I hate when that happens

[wide shale]

dexter lab can also be great for jason, the horizontal blast zones are so close that jab jab teleport can kill at like 50-60

but yeah the platforms are annoying

[atomic cedar]

the only way to make jason good if they insist on making his hands the size of every other character's entire hitbox is by giving all of his attacks priority

[frosty lynx]

Jason's a monster in 2s like he's 100% in the top 3 but in 1s he's only booty because of the jab 1 nerf

revert it and he's back to being strong

yo does jason's rage have armour gating properties?

[river delta]

Why did they even nerf this? Wild that they're even considering nerfing Jason at this point

[frosty lynx]

lookin at my clips from last night and a ba hit me when I had 1 armour left and he couldn't interrupt my bed

[frosty lynx]

I get tryna nerf the loops but not like that

half of his combo game was reliant on jab 1

[river delta]

Oh were there loops? That makes sense. Still absolutely dumb to nerf Jason and not like... Finn though lol

[timber cedar]

if they wanted to nerf the loops they should’ve nerfed dair not jab

[frosty lynx]

most mfs didn't even know about dair loop

only stomp loop

so like can't even blame casuals for the nerf like I have no idea who it was for man

[timber cedar]

stomp loop still exists right?

[frosty lynx]

yeah it does

[fickle ledge]

Does it work on DI out?

~~Please say yes. 🙏 ~~

[timber cedar]

I still can’t believe they removed jab into bag

[fickle ledge]

Welp there goes the singular use cause for Bag in 1s.

Not like he didn't already have better Jab routes anyways...

[timber cedar]

yea it was always better to go for up special in ones but man

[tropic eagle]

Isn't it jab > jab > down tilt > up special?

Or am i mistaken?

[timber cedar]

oh no I meant jab jab grounded up special

[tropic eagle]

Well yeah, that.

At lower percents, at least.

[timber cedar]

air up special? because if that’s what your talking about it was jab dair air upspeical

but now you need rage to do it

[tropic eagle]

Jab x2, down normal, grounded up special.

Works on lower percents.

[timber cedar]

lemme lab that rq then

[tropic eagle]

Hm. Looks like it drops after down normal.

I was mistaken then.

[timber cedar]

ah

I thought I was just bad

[tropic eagle]

I could swear it was true before, but maybe it wasn't, idk.

[timber cedar]

might work at certain percents

[tropic eagle]

Worked at 90, surprisingly enough.

[timber cedar]

well then

[tropic eagle]

No, it's 70 - 75.

My bad.

[timber cedar]

if you could get it under a platform you could combo up air out of it

[void topaz]

Nah that was never true

Its better to jab jab dtilt then make a dodge read to up b

[frosty lynx]

naw jab up special is so overrated

it doesn't actually combo into anything

[frosty lynx]

naw at certain percents stomp up special was true

just too specific to matter when axe is so unvaluable

[tiny cave]

Bro i found a banana guard spammer in season 2 💀

Bro uses internet explorer

[scenic lagoon]

Bro who was the Morty player that came in here to complain about Jason

[tiny cave]

The worst thing its that he came here bc some clips i sended on how to defeat samurai Jack

[scenic lagoon]

Yea but I need name

[tiny cave]

Syk

I think

Syk

Why ur asking?

[scenic lagoon]

Cause I thought it was Veriflied

But probably just some veriflied stan

[nimble mirage]

I cannot fathom how that Jason made it to top 10 in 1v1… is he hacking? Is there some secret tech he isn’t sharing? Is it an AI robot playing perfectly? Are they win trading? Is it a glitch? Maybe that guy isn’t playing Jason but the picture for him is there anyway.

He’s 1000!!!!! Points above the 2nd highest Jason!!! Idk, would love to see some of his matches because if everything is happening legit then he is undoubtedly the best player in this game skill wise.

[scenic lagoon]

Probably just lots of grinding

[nimble mirage]

Idk how point distribution works that high up. I assume you loose more than you gain unlike lower levels

[scenic lagoon]

Idk, what's his name btw

[nimble mirage]

Burgerman27

[tiny cave]

Nah thats crazy

[tiny cave]

Maybe he is a tryhard?

In a Match as Jason i got parried

By an arya

4 TIMES IN A ROW

Like wtf was wrong with those timings

She always parried My down special in the air

And the up special in air

[nimble mirage]

And at the top level people already know all the Jason BS and gimmicks. Idk what Jason is supposed to even do at that point. I mean he’s in a loosing matchup like every game that high up. People only play the good characters and all those stomp Jason

[tiny cave]

True

I'm platinum and i'm getting cooked

Actually one of the few characters i'm good against is Jack

[nimble mirage]

I literally HAVE to see one of his matches like what is he doing. My bet is some secret tech 😂

Yeah fighting against a bunch of jacks is what’s carrying me

[tiny cave]

X2

Specially bc of rage bc they spam the side special

[craggy lagoon]

they refuse to buff him

[tiny cave]

Jason is only good at reading people

[nimble mirage]

They went and buffed Morty. I don’t really think the balance team gives a crap. I assume they are gonna start balancing off of ranked stats now so I expect Jason buffs next patch

[tiny cave]

Yeah

Makes no sense at all

Specially bc they didnt Even fix his hitboxes

I think they are Even worse now

[nimble mirage]

Yeah so dumb that he has no disjoints it’s awful

[tiny cave]

When i fight samurais they hit me with the kick from like a mile distance

Not Even touching me

Idk why

When i fought other characters You don't notice how bad his hitbox is most of the time but with samurai Jack is EXTREMELY noticeable

[nimble mirage]

I know exactly what you are talking about. I got hit by a jack up air or whatever. The move absolutely did not hit

Jacks sword is probably a disjoint. Jason machete is not for some reason

[tiny cave]

I havent tried Jack yet bc i wanna wait for the leveling event

And i have Jason at max level

[frosty lynx]

not really

rp stays the same the entire time pretty much

[nimble mirage]

So it’s really just how many matches you play, wow that’s pretty dumb but I guess it’s multiverses after all

[timber cedar]

it’s the amount you need that goes up with ranks right?

[frosty lynx]

yeah and matchmaking is mmr based

[timber cedar]

that explains why I’m running into plats with a fresh character

[frosty lynx]

and a lotta the top players just throw when it's a bad matchup because you can lose like 2 or 3 and still profit when you win

[void topaz]

Burgerman27.... if you're out there, we want to speak with you

[frosty lynx]

prolly how burgerman is so high up

[timber cedar]

burgerman is either a god or a no life who grinded

[nimble mirage]

Well, I knew there had to be some explanation. Jason not gonna be top 10 in any LEGIT ranking system

[west cloak]

Top dog 2.0

[frosty lynx]

prolly faces a lot of IG's as well ngl since he honestly might just be really high mmr

and jason farms IG

[nimble mirage]

Top Dog 2.0 is right I pretty much lost most of my motivation to play ranked now

[atomic cedar]

i love playing taz (i get up attacked into next year)

[spare basin]

Chat what we thinking about the Jack MU?

[void topaz]

Just jump off

[spare basin]

It's not that bad lmao 💀
No MU in the entire game is that bad for anyone

[radiant nexus]

Wonder Woman Jason matchup

I’d rather eat grass

[spare basin]

WW is just a bad MU for everyone

Comes with having the best combos in the game

[radiant nexus]

He’d be way better off if his Gray health didn’t act like armor

[dry slate]

People said that Wonder Woman is fair in Game Feedback

[radiant nexus]

No

[spare basin]

Same people saying Shaggy side b is busted

[timber cedar]

those mfs aren’t playing the same game as us

not to be rude or anything

its just people in this community complain about literally everything and more

[spare basin]

Samurai Jacks side b isn't busted

You're all DELUSIONAL

DELERIOUS

INSANE

WACKOS

[timber cedar]

with focus it’s kinda annoying

without its fine

there’s literally a big red line showing you where he’s going

just dodge

[radiant nexus]

His air down special is harder to dodge imo

[timber cedar]

yea

it’s a massive hitbox

[knotty sage]

it does get a bit annoying how so many jacks use it exclusively

[nimble mirage]

I think Jason has some jump off matchups. I have never beaten a Morty

[spare basin]

Morty might be the best character in the game rn

Morty mains will never admit it though

[timber cedar]

Morty mains think* he got nerfed this patch

[spare basin]

He got buffs too though

[timber cedar]

yea

[spare basin]

And did the nerf really do anything?

[timber cedar]

they call them nerfs

I don’t know why man

they think the buffs nerfed Morty for some reason

because they don’t understand game balance

[tiny cave]

Or a no life who know how to parry every single character

[nimble mirage]

I just played against a garnet with more than 7,500 wins who was in diamond 3. I lost but it was pretty close, kind of sad actually. I’m in gold 3

[tiny cave]

I'm in platinum

Also they give You skins

I have 2 skins already

The Golden jack

And platinum

But they give You those skins at the end of the season

[gray gale]

It's not like they did NOTHING

It means that if Morty whiffs dirt, you are more often than not capable of reaching him in his endlag

Since Morty would theoretically only be doing Dirt within the effective range

But on practice, the changes did absolutely nothing to address the camping issue

Dirt > fire is still way too good of a link to be guaranteed

Especially with the weaken stacks

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[gray gale]

So players still just go for it

[tiny cave]

This combo only works if the oponent drains his Dodge meter completely

[gray gale]

Monstrous Sidestep is finally the meta sig bruh

it's the best counter to Jack's side special

and he's everywhere

[atomic cedar]

ngl

i think jason would be so much better

if there was a teching system

instead of

"get bounced off every wall and every surface for half the match"

just played a game where my dodge button stopped working??????

and then the next game i couldnt do anything BUT dodge?????

[craggy lagoon]

i wish you could tech i really do

[rapid cargo]

No one can complain about Jason now that there's a Jason in top ranked 🤫

y'all just gotta get on his level

[tiny cave]

That guy Must be a parry expert

Bc theres no other explanarion

[void topaz]

Cringe

[rapid cargo]

You know in your heart of hearts I am right

[void topaz]

You know you are cringe in your heart of hearts

[rapid cargo]

I'm cringe, and that's good. I will never be non-cringe. and that's not bad. There's no one I'd rather be than me

[dry slate]

...that's honestly the most cringe thing I've heard all day

[rapid cargo]

y'all just mad you aint HIM

[dry slate]

Why are you, a Shaggy main, in the Jason chat? We had to deal with a Morty main yesterday

[west cloak]

He’s abandoned Shaggy for Jack

[dry slate]

Ah

[tulip plaza]

I finally got Jason to level 14
with enough gameplay, I'll get that gleamium

[rapid cargo]

He's just cooler
Shaggy let me down.

Fr though, I was jus trollin. I want to see that Jason's matches. I'm assuming he's just really good at parrying

[dry slate]

Hell yeah :)

[rapid cargo]

The kill power is insane so he must be a reading monster

[tiny cave]

Im almost at level 17

I reached the max level

[tulip plaza]

I just haven't been playing him as much cus I kinda stopped having fun getting always punching bagged around by top tiers

well and new characters came out so I've been playing them

[wide shale]

my jason jumped to level 20 after they uncapped the levels

[dry slate]

Aw man they uncapped the levels? Then what's the point of the maxxed character badge? Or does it count maxxed characters as level 15 or something?

[tulip plaza]

yeah, the max is 15 but they let you earn more I think perk currency if you get more levels past that

[dire violet]

Oh huh, Jason can ledge cancel with his air down special, I didn't know that

[wide shale]

you can also dodge cancel it on hit if you dont get the followup attack

[normal holly]

I'm more mad I'm not Mojo Jojo honestly

What are some good perk sets for Jason?

[rapid cargo]

he'll be here one day brother

[normal holly]

He's probably looking for a parking space, Townsville is sure crowded!

[dire violet]

#clips message

[wide shale]

that's pretty cool, how pixel perfect is that? cause landing on the actual platform gets you stuck in animation for like 2 more seconds

also, does it work on the stage ledges?

[dire violet]

Pretty precise, it's probably beyond me to actually try and use lol
Don't think it works on stage ledge, at least I haven't been able to get it to happen

[dry slate]

It sucks seeing someone with like a 300 wins Jason badge playing Wonder Woman in ranked mode

Also, their connection was so bad that any input I tried to do didn't actually input and my character just walked off the side

[analog portal]

Jason for fun, Wonder Woman for results.

Thats how I look at it, WW is still some fun though

[dry slate]

Are any of you all Melee players?

Or have Melee knowledge?

Because I actually believe there are phantom hits in this game. I swung my down air on two different opponents, heard the hit and saw the damage, but the opponent could react like they were not hit at all

[wide shale]

that's most likely a rollback

havent seen a true phantom hit in this game that i can think of

[dry slate]

Ah, didnt think about that

[wide shale]

i wish this game "borrowed" more from smash, like attack clashes and teching

the game would feel soooo much better with teching

even if it cost meter or something

[dry slate]

I got to gold finally!

Now to survive

[minor radish]

Jack can go through Jason's Gray Health Rage

😭

[dry slate]

Joker really isn't a good match for Jason at all. One hit and it's most likely death, even if you get out of the combo

[spare basin]

Joker isn't a good match for anyone

[dry slate]

True

[minor radish]

Utilt to up-air to up-air to 🧂 is a true combo

[dry slate]

That's like a day one combo tbh

[fickle ledge]

He's like 10x easier to wall camp since so many of his moves send you sideways.

[fickle ledge]

See the thing is Smash can't have legal stages with walls that aren't offstage because being able to tech makes any hit into them punishable or at the very least minus for what should've been a favorable interaction so people just hug/camp them because it's an extremely powerful position
So if you didn't like Treefort, Throne Room, Cromulons before they become even more toxic to play on.

[frosty lynx]

give up

[frosty lynx]

ww isn't too bad for jason

[radiant nexus]

Ranked 1v1s as Jason are just the most fun thing ever, especially when all my opponents are the same damn top tiers

[dry slate]

Gotta love when the opponent on ranked t-bags, taunts, and salt emotes when you're comboing them and then get hit by terrible servers making you uncontrolably walk off the stage. Like, why bother doing all that? You didnt kill me, the servers did

[tulip plaza]

they're also almost always playing a top tier too
a character better then yours and they sure seem very proud of themselves

[tiny cave]

Bro ranked mode is broken

Havent yall see a bug where the character freaks out

And if You press something they just dont do anything

#clips message

Has this happened to anyone

What is this bruh

The worst part is that the game penalized and i got a 5 minutes timeout

It said "You cant play for 3 minutes"

[dry slate]

Yep, that's been happening so much it's actually ridiculous

[tiny cave]

Its the second time it happens to me

The first time i got banned for 10 minutes from matchmaking

[dry slate]

I haven't been penalized yet, but it's happened so many times to me

[tiny cave]

This time was only 5

[tiny cave]

Every time it happens to me i got penalized and banned from matchmaking this is bs

[dry slate]

On the bright side... Im finally Gold Tier II as Jason

But they gotta fix the servers

[tiny cave]

#off-topic message

This is what happens when You get penalized and timed out

I hope that isnt baneable

Bc if it is

Pfg is cooked

I'm not playing ranked anymore until they fix that

[tiny cave]

I'm platinum V

[west cloak]

Yeah the servers are sh*ting themselves rn

[tiny cave]

But yeah this happened 2 times to me already and its making me lose points like what is wrong with You multiversus

And if thats not enough they have a timeout system that doesnt Even works

I got timed out 2 times bc of the same bug

[dry slate]

Hell yeah

[west cloak]

I’ve been considering just not playing until they fix the issue

[tiny cave]

Me too i Lost like 20 ranked points just for that 💀

I'm playing normal mode until they fix that

Bc i think that bug only happens in ranked

Multiversus more like multipunk 2077

[dry slate]

The bug is for all servers, not just ranked

Also, just about to fight a 5k win batman

[west cloak]

I’ve lost probably at least 35 points from server issues

[dry slate]

God. I'm tired of these salt spamming dishpitches thinking they're so skillful when I walk off the edge uncontrollably

[west cloak]

Add another 8 points lost from server lag

I’m one win from the next rank and then I’m done

[tiny cave]

I seen a ww toxic spammer who was spamming sault and literally the only things she was doing was spamming rope, dash attack and a charged attack

And i just read them and toxic back

3-0 😭

Also bro this game so broken

Yesterday i played for an hour and only happened once the character glitching out due to servers conection

I just got two in a row

[dry slate]

People in this server think Wonder Woman needed that rope cooldown removed. Ngl, that's utter bs

[tiny cave]

True

It wasnt that broken after all

Plus the one i fought was only using that and dash

Lol

Literally she used 3 attacks in a whole game

And yet she was spamming salt and crouching

[knotty sage]

of course, your the high tier jason losing stocks to the low tier WW using her only useable moves

[tiny cave]

I have a bad feeling about this tomorrow

[knotty sage]

wdym

[tiny cave]

Bro My character glitched out 2 different games in a row

3 counting the clip i send

The servers are a complete garbage

And yet their focusing on nerfing Jason and iron giant

The hate isngonna be massive tomorrow

People are getting punished in ranked bc of this

And time outed for like 10 minutes

I cant Even play rn bc of how laggy it is

[tulip plaza]

and to think, if they didn't mess up at the start here, you'd have to do a best of three like this, and who knows, you probably still will

[tiny cave]

Btw clips channel just got broken

[dry slate]

Gotta love that PFG, instead of announcing they're doing something for the servers, disables #clips so it's just not full of people posting clips about how bad the servers are

[knotty sage]

the guy who transcripted his clip is pretty funny tho

[dry slate]

Lmao yeah

[dry slate]

Does anyone know if the servers are good now?

[timber cedar]

no.

it’s worse

I’m getting phantom inputs

[radiant nexus]

Phantom Nugget inputs

[dry slate]

Phantom inputs?

[timber cedar]

I perform a move and then it instantly cancels

[dry slate]

Ohhh, yeah, that's been happening a lot for me

I hope things are at least better when I get off of work later

[analog portal]

Better for me

[west cloak]

I haven’t played today yet, but I’m still hearing server issues and long queue times

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[tiny cave]

You do a move and the character does nothin

[dry slate]

Yeah

[sage vector]

Hello Jason players!

[dry slate]

Good to see you, o' majesty of muffins

[sage vector]

What's going on! 🙂

[dry slate]

Nothin much, just suffering in ranked mode with our mid to low tier character when Finn and Joker are dominating our games

[sage vector]

I get ya, Finn can be a pain, joker is worse!, but beating them as a mid/low tier makes it sweeter

[dry slate]

Hell yeah 🔥

[sage vector]

What rank ya?

[dry slate]

Right now, Gold II. The servers were iffy, so I'm hoping they're better for me when I get off work

[atomic cedar]

I figured out that the axe is active for an insane amount of time which is very nice for dealing with jack

[sage vector]

For me currently platinum v, so I'm hoping the servers get more stable soon too!, I was just about to hop on

[dry slate]

Good luck on ranked :)

[sage vector]

You too!! Best of luck, especially since it's full of jack mains lol

[dry slate]

Ranked try not to fight a Jack challenge (impossible)

[tiny cave]

Also rage can counter the fully concentrated side special

[void topaz]

Just broke top 10 in 2s with Jason

[sage vector]

👏

[dry slate]

Hell yeah!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263587899472085063/1263587899899773122/jason-vorhees-multiversus.gif

[west cloak]

Huge

[atomic cedar]

Arya is such an unfun match

[dry slate]

Please take away the no-blade side special armor break, pleeeaaase PFG. She doesn't need it

[atomic cedar]

I have no issue admitting that’s the one matchup I always end up just SDing so I don’t have to play

I’m not gonna lie

I feel like I say this all the time

But I don’t think they needed to make Jason into this behemoth of a character to make him the ganondorf of multiversus

I think they could’ve made him Batman or Superman sized and called it a day

[sage vector]

I sometimes can defeat a Arya, when they lacking, but they are such a pain, I can't hit them at all most of the time

[dry slate]

Their hurtbox is so weird. I feel like pre-patch jason when my machete just phases through them

[sage vector]

I still think Jason's hit boxes are still wonky at times, they need more adjustments

[dry slate]

Yea

[sage vector]

One attack I dislike is the sleeping bag, it's a pain...

[dry slate]

Only viable in twos, and even then it's kinda mid. If you use in in ones, then you may as well admit you lost tbh

[sage vector]

Yeah they need to implement a way to cancel it, cause your just a sitting duck for what seems to be a whole minute

[atomic cedar]

ngl

i think it should be replaced completely

[dry slate]

A perk replacing it with an axe/machete throw would be great

[atomic cedar]

true

give jason the spear gun

[dry slate]

Spear gun where it's kinda like batman's grappling hook would be a fantastic movement tool for Jason

[tiny cave]

Aryas are predictable

[tiny cave]

Or the proyectile being the harpoon gun

[dry slate]

Predictable, but once they're in, you best be praying you'll live

[tiny cave]

Predictable but still not a Bad oponent at all

yeah

So far My worst matchups are Tom, gizmo, arya, reindogs (only fought like 2 of them)

And harleys

Samurai Jack i don't Even consider him a bad matchup bc You can counter his side special

[sage vector]

Hmm I think Harley isn't that bad, I can win against her, joker on the other hand is a menace
Gizmo is 50/50 for me
Tom is the same as Gizmo
Samurai jack gets cooked often, predtictable usually

[dry slate]

Im glad Im not the only Jason who struggles against Reindog

Reindog mains be like "just dodge the projectiles"

My brother in christ, my hurtbox is the map

[tiny cave]

Brw

I noticed something

Last time playing ranked i got matched with a finn spammer that didnt Even know how to do his 0-death combo

And a Golden player while being platinum

Ranked is supposed to be in the Game so You don't play 1v1 and got matched with a freaking mundial top player and Even in ranked i can get matched with a silver being platinum

That doesnt make sense

[minor radish]

despite everything jason is still my favorite to play

but i dont really like that samurai jack can just plow through Jason's Rage

[void topaz]

Yeah its actually insane how bad sleeping bag is

absolutely zero reason to for it over anything

only way it would be useable if they made it stack full weakened or something

[tiny cave]

He cant

[tiny cave]

The only way of using sleep bag is if they cant dodge

[minor radish]

One just did against me

[tiny cave]

Rage can counter side special

If You charge it like 15

[lapis meteor]

Why are we so many jason mains 😭

[minor radish]

when the aerial up special kills both of them 👌

[dry slate]

Buffed up side special seems to eat through 20 rage if you let them, so as long as you hit them before the third hit, you're fine

[tiny cave]

You mean fully concentrated?

[scenic lagoon]

It hasn't for me

[dry slate]

Yeah

[scenic lagoon]

Probably the diff of 5% plus snowball effect

[dry slate]

Fully Concentrated, Limit Break, etc. etc.

[dry slate]

True

[tiny cave]

It cant

You can hit him while hes doing that

[dry slate]

That's what I said

[tiny cave]

Missread

Shouldnt be a problem tho

I tricked a lot of Jacks using that trick

[river delta]

Just had a game a few minutes ago where I missed a few jabs that should have hit on a Finn and then he laddered me off the top to win and tea bagged and salt emoted 🫠

[tiny cave]

Bro werent jason hitboxes supposed to be fixed a month ago

I forgot completely

[river delta]

Tbf in this case I think it was more Finn's hurtboxes being goofy than Jason's hitbox

[tiny cave]

Also happens with jack his kick can hit You being a mile away

[river delta]

Those hits probably would have hit if it weren't for Finn's weird hunched over hurtbox while charging his jab

[tiny cave]

And WW can hit You while ur behind her

Plus tom and jerry being the most annoying character ever

Btw are the servers still lagging?

And another thing from what Ive been seeing ranked works with 3 rounds

You have to beat the same opponent 3 times to win

But its bugged

[dry slate]

Finn, Wonder Woman, Arya, and Harley seem to have thin wonky hurtboxes tbh

[tiny cave]

Btw idk if i said this already but there Will be a Crystal lake map

That got leaked

[median geyser]

This channel is the most active

[lapis meteor]

Well, the garnet one is catching up

[median geyser]

No

[worn glade]

Why does Jason have the tag "Horizontal"?

[knotty sage]

the horizontal and vertical tags mean that character is designed to kill in that direction
most of jason's moveset sends horizontally, so hes considered a horizontal fighter

[worn glade]

but hes the ONLY character with that tag...

[knotty sage]

you're expecting consistency from PFG?

[west cloak]

It’s a largely removed feature leftover from beta that was probably from reused assets that made Jason

I’m sure instead of making Jason’s functionality from the ground up, they had some sort of generic character template that still had those tags and just put in Jason’s model and hitboxes

[mossy fern]

Jason

[sick solar]

Why does Jason Machete is a HURTBOX?

[knotty sage]

its not the machete, its his massive hand hurtboxes

[sick solar]

ooo then its really really bad

[tulip plaza]

it extends so far out his machete basically has a hurt box
and they have yet to fix it

[spare sparrow]

Im top 10 jqson im so skill

[minor radish]

Considering that same machete was used to kill his mom.

Yeah it makes sense in context why attacking the machete would hurt him

(nonsense logic)

[lapis meteor]

any of u guys have some interesting cmbos savd up?

[tiny cave]

#clips message

Only works when the oponent doesnt have Dodge metter

[lapis meteor]

its ok ig

[tiny cave]

I bought tooniverse jason

[tulip plaza]

lets goooo

a fellow toon jason

[minor radish]

This implies someone has drawn a Toon Zeldaesque art of Jason

[tulip plaza]

they should
it would be funny

[dry slate]

Toon Jason is best Jason

[tiny cave]

#clips message

I think i'm getting better with the grab

Do You guys use the grab or only when the oponent can't dodge?

[simple spindle]

I use the grab if the opponent has anything like armor. I also use it on ledge to help poke. Never used it in a combo like you did in the clip. That was super cool!

[tardy hull]

Is anyone else struggling a lot in ranked 1v1s? I’m getting wrecked

[west cloak]

Unfortunately Jason loses to every top tier

And a lot of the high tiers and mid tiers too

[tulip plaza]

aka everyone pretty much lol

[west cloak]

Unfortunately yeah

Thankfully he’s not as bad at at the start of the relaunch

[tulip plaza]

since the game is nothing but high tiers tbh
give or take a few characters of course

[west cloak]

Yeah the character balance is starting to come together a bit more nicely

It’s not perfect but it’s starting to get close

Still a handful of low tiers that need more work

[tulip plaza]

they basically still gotta work on the entire beta cast lol

[west cloak]

Who do you genuinely think is in a bad state and needs a lot of work rn?

Besides Jason

[knotty sage]

I dont really play anyone else but they are REALLY close to making steven feel perfect

[tiny cave]

.

Im trying to use grab more often cuz i never used it

[atomic cedar]

this would make sense

i cannot think of a logical explanation to make jason voorhees into this comically large character that isnt that

[west cloak]

Because it’s funny

[knotty sage]

yeah i really like his visual design in this ame

[atomic cedar]

i hate it

[knotty sage]

its more unique than just making him a generic muscular dude

[atomic cedar]

because gameplay wise it makes jason even worse than simply being the slowest character in the game

its jason voorhes theres nothing generic about him

[knotty sage]

Jason is a lot like superman, where hes so popular and iconic that what he is has become generic bc he himself is the standard

[atomic cedar]

but thats not an issue

theres like 11 films that you can pull from for skins on top of doing a hodgepodge version as the default

and thats before getting into the games

[knotty sage]

when they do a character w/ multiple looks across multiple films they usually try to create a "default" look that combines popular aspects of the character's design
all the DC characters are like this

[atomic cedar]

and again gameplay wise it hinders the character even more

[atomic cedar]

i am aware which is why i said "on top of doing a hodgepodge version as the default"

i expected jason to be around the size of a superman/batman type and not closer to the iron giant

[knotty sage]

i think they exagerated his look to kind of off put the fact they were putting a serial killer in what is pretty much a kid's game

[atomic cedar]

its rated t

they could've gotten away with just regular jason

[tiny cave]

They tried to make Jason more cartoon lookin

[knotty sage]

visually i like his design, but i agree with you gameplay wise it hurts him a lot

[tiny cave]

Also his design is a reference to killer puzzle jason

Thats why he so big

[atomic cedar]

i think his design is good in a bubble

like

if it wasnt a fighting game that was meant to be played competitively sure

[knotty sage]

they could fix im a lot if they removed/reduced his hand hurtboxes so he can actually have disjoints

[atomic cedar]

if i didnt know what this game was id be cool with it

but knowing what i know his design annoys me

also i think its going to make a lot of potential skins look really bad

[knotty sage]

they made uber jason work im sure they can make his other looks good

[atomic cedar]

i think uber jason is about the only one they can get away with this design looking good

the other ones are extremely human and casual in terms of clothing

or savini jason

[scenic lagoon]

Anyone else still think Morty is S tier

[tiny cave]

Uber jason is the Best design by far

[tiny cave]

Technically he already exists as the final boss from his rift

[atomic cedar]

that one and the NES game are the 2 skins that make the most sense for this design

[knotty sage]

i really want that as a skin

[tiny cave]

Jason actually doesnt have much potential for skins

Some skins like uber Jason or savini from the rift are pretty cool

But jasons like the part 2 jason would be looking very goofy

[atomic cedar]

jason's lack of skin potential is because of jason's design

[tiny cave]

I know

If they for example try to do a part 2 skin it would be pretty hard to do

It doesnt fit his size

[atomic cedar]

if it came down to it i wouldnt mind a complete jason rework instead of a new character in one of these seasons

[minor radish]

I want to draw an idea I had for a Christmas, or rather a Winter variant of Jason

[radiant nexus]

What is it?

I’m intrigued

Btw does anyone have a Jason matchup tier list

[west cloak]

They could definitely make a Santa Claus skin for Jason where they replace his machete with like a candy cane and his sleeping bag is the toy sack

[radiant nexus]

I think Krampus might work better but both could definitely work

[west cloak]

Oh yeah Krampus would be better

[tulip plaza]

santa superman and krampus jason

[radiant nexus]

Opposing tanks

I think Jason should get his look from the second film as an outfit

[lapis meteor]

If you wanna style on em

Do down Special instead of foward air, and after that, down air

[radiant nexus]

I use it to catch dodges I know they’ll do, especially characters like Finn and Jack. They always dodge the same so I catch em

[tardy hull]

Characters I’ve been struggling with in ranked: Finn and jack. Finn especially since Jason is too slow to punish Finn’s whiffs. I feel like Finn can dodge anything, whiff attacks, and keep on attacking without risk against Jason

[chrome sluice]

quinn too. super fast and cant whiff punish her

i came here to ask how you guys climb with jason

cuz ive been losing a good 70-80& of my matches with him (not exaggerating)

im level 10 with him so its not like i dont know the character either

[tulip plaza]

someday I'll get him to level 15
they grind is just gonna be rough
until they finally buff him