Jason

[ionic igloo]

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[frosty lynx]

That would be sick for helping jason get out of combos

Dawg monstrous is essential

Res will always be trash for jason because he's slow but it's solid in 2s because monstrous is trash in 2s and you can do some really cheap sht with it

Pre mid season when ig's grab shock up special 0TD was sooo free me n my homie hit someone with it and carried them off screen came back n shock was off cooldown because of the respawn n hit it again it was so silly i gotta get my homies clip of it

[minor radish]

Shock up special huh

[frosty lynx]

Iron giant

Grab walk to ledge shock then carry them off screen with up special

Fr never seen that?

Ww aint even that good against jason

Yo ngl stripe + jason would sounds insanely good

[vale iris]

Can I say something
People really underestimate Jason for some reason, they always exaggerate whenever speaking about him. He's like, Hight B tier. He really is not that bad, I win more with Jason than I do with arya and apparently she's broken??

[flint tide]

Arya is pretty broken yes

People do underrate jason yes

Both of these things are true

[frosty lynx]

Naw a tier

He has some really bad matchups but he kills inhumanely early and counters WW and IG pretty well

[flint tide]

He does ok against ww

Doesn’t exactly counter her but he can do good

[vale iris]

Yep
I just didn't say it cuz I didn't want to sound weird
I think he's actually really good even pre patch

[flint tide]

Pre patch jason was not good

[vale iris]

People can't actually form their own opinions. If the whole community decided that WW actually sucked the entire time people would agree

[flint tide]

Wasn’t as bad as people said he was but he wasn’t great

[vale iris]

I think he was imo. I don't really understand the general perception of characters overall... Void unironically said Taz is the worst character in the game after the patch and I'm like "what???" I literally have the most trouble fighting him.

People say monstrous sidestep is a bad perk but it's really good. If you attack right after inputting it, it's a free combo that can lead to death...
But people think it's bad for some reason?

[flint tide]

Last patch he had a bunch more bad matchups than he did now and the ones he lost were also like way worse than before

It wasn’t just jason

Because a lot of characters were much more broken than they were this patch

The nerfs to stuff like bugs nair and other top tiers inadvertently make him significantly better because those characters are no longer as oppressive

[vale iris]

I mean yeah, I agree

I didn't say that wasn't the case, but just that Jason was never really BAD BAD. He was always a b tier. In fact I think he's cracked

But I also think smith is broken so who am I to say anything I guess

[frosty lynx]

Her armour doesnt get to exist while she doesnt have any really consistent options against his, she doesn't have any significant range or speed advantage, her combo game isn't that crazy, and jason kills her early af so she can't even be that tanky

[flint tide]

He wasn’t unusable ever but saying he was good last patch is kinda eh

[flint tide]

Yes she does

WW nair is a very solid option to break rage

[vale iris]

Speaking about rage, I don't think any move should ko it immediately

I always found it dumb

[flint tide]

Both characters basically have the same gameplan as each other and similar tools to deal with each other

Neither of them really counter the other

Because ww can break rage just like jason can break armour and they even pretty much play to the same ranges as each other

[vale iris]

Every character has a move that just bursts through rage, if you figure them out it becomes practically useless

[frosty lynx]

Yeah but jason is far better at breaking her armour and jason kills way sooner

[vale iris]

Doesn't Jason have only one armor break move

Stomp isn't even that good outside of jab combo

[craggy lagoon]

up special goes through armor

grounded up special

[frosty lynx]

Naw up special

[vale iris]

For real?????

[craggy lagoon]

cuz command grabs

[vale iris]

Does the game state that?

I never knew that

[craggy lagoon]

yeah all command grabs go through armor

[frosty lynx]

Yeah jason has like 3 of em

[vale iris]

I don't think the game ever tells you that
I've played this game for 2 years and I never knew this

[craggy lagoon]

up smash breaks armor too iirc because 2 hit

[frosty lynx]

Yeah

[vale iris]

Multi hit I knew

[frosty lynx]

Like half his moveset breaks armour and most of those are faster and have better range than ww's

[vale iris]

Ok but what about shaggy
Do any of you know how to fight shaggy??? I always lose

I think he's Jason's worst matchup

[frosty lynx]

Pray u can bait his charge attack and bring ls + pta

[frosty lynx]

Frrrrrr

[vale iris]

Yeah, but then he just dodges out of it and continues to attack...

It feels so hard to punish him

And Jason being combo food doesn't make it much better

[frosty lynx]

Obv his kit is better now bu last patch jason was just as good purely because of how dominant IG was in the meta and how everyone was playing him

also people thought he was trash and underestimated him

[frosty lynx]

Yeah not much you can do unless they like kicking back to the stage in which case you get to kill em at 20

[flint tide]

He doesn’t beat ig that hard

On paper he has quite good tools against him but then ig just does ig things and kills you anyway

[vale iris]

Honestly something about Jason just clicked with me
Idk what it is but it's never happened with any other character. I just love playing him

[vale iris]

Kick is my worst enemy unfortunately

[frosty lynx]

Ig just doesnt have a good counter to jasons armour, jason is really good at baiting shock and lets face it most ig's aren't gonna have good shock game sense, and he can actually kill IG especially with LS + PTA

[flint tide]

Yeah everything you just said is true

But then he just does ig things and kills you anyway lol

He does beat him but it’s not like a crushing matchup for jason

If you make a few mistakes he will actually just kill you

[frosty lynx]

I love jason and I wanna play him all the time because people underestimate him but IG just perfectly fits me and has some parts I love about Jason

[frosty lynx]

But if bro slips up he dies at 60 and most IG's don't expect that

[flint tide]

Yeah but a good ig who knows how to play the matchup does expect it

I don’t really care about random mid igs cause yeah he eats them for breakfast

If ig knows how to play vs jason its not a free win

[minor radish]

No

[frosty lynx]

Equal skill jason vs ig in high level play def wouldnt be a free win but as long as you avoid the bubble it would be even for sure maybe even in favor of ig but outside of a scenerio jason's coolin

[frosty lynx]

Fr brother? Ill drop a clip did you start post mid season?

[flint tide]

Its in favour of jason at high level just not by like a landslide

You have to play very well because ig can and will murder you if you let him

[minor radish]

I've been here since day 1

[frank cedar]

did jason just got buffed because he feels smaller and attacks faster

i checked the patch notes but didnt feel like there is much

but damn he feels sm lighter than last month when i tried him

[icy raptor]

not the last patch but the patch before that was when he got buffed

last patch was just to fix a glitch he had

[flint tide]

Yeah he did get buffed he’s good now

[median geyser]

Honestly.... I'm not even sure if that considered to be buffs

It's more like he's a proper & more polished chr now other than buffs coz he was rushed to hell

It's more like bug fixes for me than buffs

[median geyser]

I'd say he's still the same but more polished

[wide shale]

he's just much less frustrating to play now

with the hitbox changes they did

[flint tide]

I mean it is a set of buffs

[median geyser]

Yes

[west cloak]

Wait a minute

I grabbed Jason out of rage with Smith nair and he didn’t lose rage

Did they buff rage?

Or is Smith’s nair grab just broken?

[idle wolf]

Smiths grab doesn’t register as a true grab for some reason

[west cloak]

Oh alright that’s strange

It even has the purple armor break effect too

[idle wolf]

Yea Smith useless against Jason rn lol

[west cloak]

Yeah nothing Smith has can deal 20 damage in one hit, so you can basically armor through anything of his for free

Even including multiple gunshots

[lunar nova]

That's funny that they release a character that's kinda underpowered rn lol

[west cloak]

I don’t think he’s underpowered

But he’s not insanely broken

Thankfully we didn’t get another Joker situation

[tiny cave]

Jason and Smith are pretty much the most balanced characters

Smith is more usefull in 2v2 and so is Jason

Also in free for all

Jason is one of the most powerful

[remote willow]

Jason is so simple and I love him

[tiny cave]

How many wins have yall Jason mains

[tulip plaza]

iirc, around like 300+

[dry slate]

Like 520 for 4 stars on his Badge

[tiny cave]

I have like 430

[void topaz]

I have 850

[flint tide]

1100 something

[scenic lagoon]

1000

[craggy lagoon]

400 or so

[queen juniper]

850ish. But stopped recently since been using Smith

[minor radish]

225 I think

ive been busy with work

[frosty lynx]

Hes been good

[frosty lynx]

That is soooooo wrong brotha still bullys jason btw lovin the content

[frosty lynx]

Just under 3k 🐴

[median geyser]

500+

[median geyser]

You cooking or something?

Haven't played a lot since lacking motivation

[frosty lynx]

Wdym 🐴

[median geyser]

I mean which area you at?

2k-3k wins?

[frosty lynx]

Yeah last time i checked i was a lil above 2800 id have to check next time i hop on tho

[idle wolf]

Think so? Smith has no way to break armor rn besides 2 fast 2 block

Thank you btw 🙏

[frosty lynx]

i mean he has clone but lets be real that's on a cooldown and is easy to dodge but outside of the armour situation he's just so oppressive against jason

[frosty lynx]

uber jason is so clean but literally everyone uses it so you can't use it or you're a nerd

[queen juniper]

Just beat a black Adam duo two games in a row with diff teammates. Feels good dunking on some trash so early in the morning

[queen juniper]

Then beat a ww and Batman duo 2 games in a row. These clowns aren’t worthy smh

[frosty lynx]

dawg I'm only facing shaggy n superman

[frosty lynx]

why is spacejam the only map in existence

[rapid cargo]

I'll take anything over Townsville

Mojo can get spitroasted over an open flame

[frosty lynx]

but thats the second most common map I get I hate it

[rapid cargo]

Guess the RNG gods are cursing you 😔

I completed the battlepass yesterday and got Jason X

[queen juniper]

What our top dawg score at so far fellow Jason’s

🗿

Mine at 13K

[rapid cargo]

Is top dog out today?

[queen juniper]

Kekw

[rapid cargo]

lmao I heard some people had to grind past 100k in some of their queues

luckily I only had to get to 39k

[flint tide]

i literally don't care about top dog anymore

its pointless and it sucks

i got second place in the last one cause i gave up midway through

rather just play when i feel like it

[queen juniper]

Second place is only at 8.8K and they stopped climbing. Hopefully I can grind a bit more then coast it out till the end

[frosty lynx]

I've been winning pretty much all of my matches but I'm only at 5.3k and in 8th only 2k behind pretty much everyone else and first only at 16k so we coolin

[teal slate]

I dont really try in Top Dog and still get top 10 lol

useless event

[frosty lynx]

fr I'm just desperate to perk out jason

jason actually has to swap off of pugilist ls and snowball sometimes its crazy

[flint tide]

He does?

[queen juniper]

Not me

Kekw

I run same set always in 2’s

At 16.6K now and 2-4 places not even climbing anymore

[queen juniper]

Up to 20K now. Hopefully that will hold for most the day while I take a break

[tiny cave]

Yo

Jason is broken in the rift

When You grab a bot that is 100 or above with the sleep bag

And throw them out

They don't Even go back

They go straight out of the screen

[craggy lagoon]

i swear to god if you get jason taken from us again

[tiny cave]

Thats an ai problem

Not Jason fault

But yeah

Once they are at 100-120

You can straight up kill them with the bag

Even better if You grab both of them

Jason is very useful in craziness

And looney

[rose moat]

anyone got an invite to the Jason discord?

[lilac mica]

Heya fellas!

[scenic lagoon]

Heya

[lilac mica]

To all the Jason mains out there, where on the tier list do you guys think he lands?

[void topaz]

Very low

Despite buffs hes still combo food to literally everyone

[flint tide]

Like mid to high mid

[muted dove]

Downplaying like crazy

But then again hesneverus3d in tourneys

[craggy lagoon]

low-mid tier

disadvantage is still terrible but he has option nows

[queen juniper]

In 2’s I’d say mid to good tier. I have been shredding teams

[muted dove]

I think he's mid

Low tier dragging it

He not Velma tier

In tourneys and alike tho he's dog there it ses

*seems

[flint tide]

The thing is he has bad matchups he gets absolutely destroyed in

I’m only considering possibly playing in tournaments once i get a second character i like to a decent level

Cause like

You’re playing in tournament and doing well

Then you meet a good gizmo or smith player

And you just die

He has way less bad matchups than he used to but some of the ones he has are really bad

[muted dove]

Yea thid is true

[flint tide]

I’d be learning smith by now but i hate rifts

[muted dove]

Is there anything ele u cN do to extend his jab jab into up special

I think is side slash seems to be the way to go

But u needa predict

[void topaz]

You don't know this game if you think hes not low tier lol

He gets absolutely smoked in 2s, and almost every other character with a brain can 0-70 him in 1s

[queen juniper]

Nah that’s just a skill issue man. My Jason clears

🗿

My 2’s win percentage is usually always above 65%

[sick solar]

Is it me or Jason aerials where nerf? his abilities take a lot of time to come out

[queen juniper]

Just you amigo kekw

[flint tide]

No nair received a nerf

It got a startup buff but the recovery was increased

[queen juniper]

I don’t consider one aerial “aerials nerfed” and buffing and nerfing aspects of it is an adjustment (net neutral)

[muted dove]

You are out of your mind if u are putting him in the same tier as Velma LMAO

1s at leasy

[void topaz]

I didnt say anything about Velma

[muted dove]

You basically did

"Very low"

[void topaz]

I basically did not

[muted dove]

That's Velma tier

[void topaz]

I said jason is very low

Which he is

[muted dove]

He's better than using like

Jake Velma I give him that much

He's not terrible I will give him that nuch

Mich

Just very mid

Would like some damn armor tho

More armor

Cause like mentioned his bad mus still very bad

[tiny cave]

Nope

[tiny cave]

B

If it wasnt for finn

[muted dove]

The Tom mu Is sickening

I can't dodge crap

My mouth be watering as I see Tom at 80 just for him to make it his life's quest to make me unable to catch him

[gritty hemlock]

successful dodges should give ya 3 seconds of immunity

[muted dove]

Tom's paddle is so free against Jason asw man like

How are u meant to Play around this fool

😭

[gritty hemlock]

you gotta ask ya team mate obvi , they don't care about overly safe moves. 😭

[muted dove]

Dawg this ain't 2v2 🙏

May as well be 2v1

Jerry being an active hitbox and all

When being launched

[gritty hemlock]

i know it isn't 2s though. Jerry should be a bit more punishing since the whole concept is tom and jerry, tom should have some penalties when jerry is freeeeeeeeeeee.

I need to know how these rifts were made easier ngl. Jason gets locked in on by everythinggg.

[dry slate]

Your only choice is to pray to be able to even Neutral Special and hope to god the Tom & Jerry player doesn't know their Down Attack breaks armor

[frosty lynx]

but that's 2s tho

[queen juniper]

That’s what is said…. 🗿

[wary summit]

Side : Posted a lovely clip in chat of a Jason + smith play

[frosty lynx]

yo ong this game so annoying

I literally only get townsville or the new spacejam map why are they so common

[muted dove]

😭

[vale iris]

I love Jason
Just beat a Harley real bad 2 times in a row

[candid field]

Why do people think Jason needs Buff. He‘s so strong I started Maining him lol

[scenic lagoon]

Cause the moment the opponent figures out their strong move, you just lose

[unique pewter]

I think he still needs a tweak but he's much better than he was, I think he still fights the majority of the time at disadvantage in most match ups tho

[scenic lagoon]

Also a ton of the cast has a good way to deal with armor or avoid Jason altogether

Kill power ≠ tier list placement

We play him cause the kill power makes him fun to read with and get clips

That doesn't mean he doesn't get absolutely deleted by a ton of characters

[unique pewter]

When I play against him as my other mains I rarely feel actual fear, but you do have to be careful with him since he can double k.o. so easily so you have to be mindful of his kill power but all my jabs usually beat his jabs unless he's a Jason god and knows his distances perfectly

[flint tide]

Tbh its mainly a handful of matchups that completely invalidate him

But even if they’re not as bad he does lose to a lot of other characters

[median geyser]

It's just that

Lot of chrs have loopy combos

Which can make him a punching bag

Jason fights like a real man

Not just spamming

[unique pewter]

When I play as him it feels like I'm putting the game on hard mode lol, I really enjoy it (he's my most played) but I am objectively worse with him... some of that could just be how certain characters click with certain people more naturally, but when I switch to my other characters I instantly start winning and getting more kills... Jason always feels like I'm fighting for my life lol... but when you pop off with him nothing feels better

[median geyser]

I've been okay as winning him a lot since the patch since he's much more polished now

Hitbox startup frames on the Jab feels significantly better

Can win the trade & more

His bag still need some heavy changes

[median geyser]

Godamn Morty man... I hate them so much...

[muted dove]

Batman

Adding that to my hatelist

[unique pewter]

ye... a good Morty is sooo annoying lol, they're so quick all nimbly pimbly... hard to be mad at it because I think he may be an objectively worse character than a lot of others but frustrating to play against for sure

[muted dove]

What are you on about

Morty is an amazing pick

The morty underrat3d talk has to stop fr

Earth spike so free

[unique pewter]

I think he's less than S tier, maybe also less than A? I mean the earth move has a limited range and from above he's very approachable imo... unless Morty is really really good, I usually don't have too much trouble from them

but man when they're good, they are gooood lol

[muted dove]

Yea wouldn't say he's S

He's hovering like a for me fr

[wide shale]

morty has a ton of potential, but he's one of the hardest characters to master IMO

[remote willow]

I couldn’t agree more

[unique pewter]

Yea maybe that’s it… he’s not bad but he’s a high ceiling character and some people are Morty and I just eat them up and some people I play that are Morty never let me touch the ground lol with very little in between

[nimble mirage]

I have always said Morty is the worst matchup for Jason by Arya literally has a 70% true combo on Jason and she can kill him at 100% easy

[flint tide]

gizmo is his worst matchup

[nimble mirage]

What buffs do you guys think Jason should get next patch… I would love armor on some of his charged attacks like overhead axe or something. So strange that he has no armor moves. I get pissed off playing against Superman and shaggy because for some reason they get a bunch of armor on moves.

[median geyser]

Ngl but fk his Batarangs & small sticky bombs

[median geyser]

Not approachable as Jason coz obv speed differences

[median geyser]

Reworked Bag or give him another move too

[flint tide]

rework/replace bag

[median geyser]

Yes

[flint tide]

make it an armoured advancing grab instead that'd be cool

[median geyser]

Although the endlag is kinda punishing

[median geyser]

Shaggy I think don't have any armor moves other than his charged neutral & rage moves

Superman has tons of armors though

[wide shale]

i think i'm the only person that thinks jason shouldn't have armor on an attack

honestly i dont think ANY character should have armor on attacks, if anything just let WW keep her down special

[nimble mirage]

Shaggy has armor on moves. He’s got the charged punch and the rage moves, maybe some other move I can’t remember

[wide shale]

yeah remove those too

armor is an unfun mechanic in this game IMO, should only be reserved as a special move on cooldown like WW down special

[median geyser]

Superman is the most absurd

Why did he even have armor on his utilt???

[wide shale]

especially since his armor comes out before it's even visual

[median geyser]

Yes his neutral & rage moves

[nimble mirage]

Another Jason buff needs to be on his sleeping bag. The range is trash, it takes a long time to come out, and if you miss you sit there for like 3 whole seconds to get mega punished

[wide shale]

he should be able to summon a tree when he sleeping bags someone

[median geyser]

True... his axe grab is more worth than the bag itself, honestly sad

The bag needs an entire rework or replacement

Even if you caught someone, it isn't worth it

[wide shale]

grounded upspecial has a ton of recovery too, not nearly as bad as sleeping bag, but you're definitely getting whiff punished for it

[nimble mirage]

You can kill people off the side sometimes on the haunted mansions but yeah pretty much useless

[median geyser]

The reward is also more worth

The dmg of the bag doesn't do much

You get two hits before they broke out

If they spam buttons

Iiiiiiiyeah...

[median geyser]

Axe grab can also be combo after jabs

[nimble mirage]

I think Jason should be heavier. He doesn’t really feel like he weighs that’s much for being sooooo slow and the second biggest character

[wide shale]

i think making him heavier just makes him easier to combo

thats why IG has that stupid ability to reduce hitstun and ruin all your combos

cause if he didnt he'd be permanently combo'd

[nimble mirage]

I’m not breaking out of combos anyway. He will die at a later % I think that would help more than it hurts… does this game have a % based rage mechanic idk probably not since I’ve never heard of it

[wide shale]

only through perks i think with the 100% perk

[unique pewter]

Yea even if they weren’t armored like the flashing yellow armor but just gave you some amount of grey health on startup, and then make grey health not vanish in whiffs… that’d be cool and use more of the mechanics he already has going

[nimble mirage]

I think iron giant has that ability more so because he’s freaking huge and that’s also a big reason why he’s so easy to combo

[wide shale]

IG also has some fast "get off me" moves, jason has 0

[unique pewter]

Even if they just let him walk off stage with the sleeping bag it’d be better, Jake can swallow you and walk off still right?

[nimble mirage]

Yeah that’s another big problem, Jason has a hard time punish doge which sucks because it’s spammed in this game. I would say make forward air faster or make the sleeping bag move super fast. I just can’t punish someone who dodges unless I get a hard read. I don’t think any other character in the game has that issue.

[wheat lotus]

jason is tied with superman in weight at 3865 (base weight is 2920)

[nimble mirage]

Like the classic, I do a forward air and they dodge behind me. I basically can’t do anything

[wheat lotus]

this ties him as second heaviest character in the game

[nimble mirage]

Wow that sucks, I thought for sure Jason was at least heavier than Everton but IG. No good reason Jason shouldn’t be heavier than Superman

[wide shale]

considering superman has moves that are more than 2x faster than jasons fastest move, its weird

[wheat lotus]

if superman gets that much mobility jason should 100% be heavier if he has to be that slow

ig is at 6442 there would still be a massive gap

[nimble mirage]

Superman got mobility, amor, and that super stupid jab combo across the stage

[wheat lotus]

jason has gray health ig

🔥

[nimble mirage]

Jason still takes damage from summoning his grey health. Another reason I need him to be heavier

[unique pewter]

Yea why if the resurrection perk said “when Jason would be rung out the first time heal an amount equal to grey health summoned so far”? Too strong?

[nimble mirage]

I completely forgot that both of his unique perks are completely trash. They need to fix both of those. Like just scrap resurrection and make a new one. As for TP behind he needs it to be like either faster or makes him invulnerable for a very short time because you will get punished for using it. So dumb

[flint tide]

monstrous sidestep is good

[unique pewter]

Monstrous is really good honestly but less good the more people on screen there are

[flint tide]

it gives him very good offstage options and in several matchups it makes a significant difference

[median geyser]

He can also infinite you btw, it isn't a joke

[unique pewter]

Not less good, harder to use I guess

[muted dove]

Ikr

[nimble mirage]

I don’t see any top Jason’s using it and you will get punished for it at a higher level

[flint tide]

no you won't

[median geyser]

More of skilled perk in 1s

[flint tide]

if you use it properly its an incredibly good option

[median geyser]

Just sucks at 2s though

[flint tide]

if you use it predictably people will punish it but it basically forces people to respect you on ledge

and also provides a good option vs zoners like morty

[unique pewter]

Usually the best Jasons I run into have that perk honestly… that’s just my personal experience tho

[nimble mirage]

Come on guys, no good Jason’s are using that perk in a serious match

[median geyser]

Which perk?

[flint tide]

i mean ive used it since i started playing the game

i started sometimes using regular sidestep like a few days ago

[median geyser]

I used it coz of Uncle Spamuel... & getting a good value from it

[flint tide]

i assure you the perk is good

[median geyser]

It's a skilled perk

Not an easy perk & low ceiling

[nimble mirage]

I need to see how it’s used at a top level…. Oh wait they don’t use it

[flint tide]

well

they do

[unique pewter]

lol so you’re one of those

[flint tide]

mainly because of me telling them why it's good

[wide shale]

i never use monstrous, but i only play 2's, and it sucks there

[median geyser]

It always has been good

[unique pewter]

I mean we can’t change your mind if it’s made up but I’m telling you it’s better than you think… certainly not trash

[median geyser]

You don't need to if you're playing 2s only

[flint tide]

the best jason players are probably me clover tub and some of the others and i basically told all of them why it's good and they've all started using it in some matches lol

[wide shale]

its actively bad in 2's

[flint tide]

you can go watch me fight chrisxtophers on one of his old streams and use it if you want

[median geyser]

IK

But for 1s, super good if used correctly

[median geyser]

Where's the sauce?

[flint tide]

i can probably go find it its on one of his streams like a few days ago

[median geyser]

Dm it

[nimble mirage]

Well telling me it’s good is not gonna change my mind but if I see it working in some high level matches and really see it get some value then I would change my mind. Hasn’t happened since he came out and I certainly think it could use a buff regardless

[median geyser]

It's coz you never actually try it & know how it works

That's why I keep saying it's a high ceiling skilled perk

If you use it wrong, you get punished

If you use it right, you get value

[flint tide]

https://www.youtube.com/live/SBYnzj2BZkE?si=Gx1JMBrJAzK0dvJz&t=25829

copied the link with a timestamp to when i start playing vs chris

[median geyser]

Thanks for the sauce

[unique pewter]

Yea like what is your reasoning for it being bad in 1s? If you’ve never faced someone good using it then it makes sense you don’t know why it’s good… there are probably plenty of vids on YouTube with people using it decently

[flint tide]

he actually said himself one of the most difficult things about fighting me was that perk lol

[nimble mirage]

Oh I tied it. I think it could be like marginally better than his normal tp but not really as good as the 5% buff. Honestly I think they should just make it base kit and give him a new unique perk

[flint tide]

well no

because the regular sidestep has value in some matchups

its best to change which one you use based on the character you're fighting

just scrap/rework resurrectionist

monstrous is fine

[nimble mirage]

I assume it’s used against projectile characters

[flint tide]

generally against zoners but its also incredibly good offstage

it makes it really hard to edgeguard jason because he has the ability to potentially kill you for trying

if you're on the ledge and someone is trying to dair you off the stage you can teleport and just kill them for it

which gives you a lot more freedom to do whatever else you want

[unique pewter]

Yea in 1s you can jab jab sidestep side air into kills a lot with monstrous, I know people have mentioned that before here

[flint tide]

you kind of can but its not really a true combo

you can dodge out of it

but at specific niche %s its true

so sometimes it can kill people

[median geyser]

How you instant dash attack though?

[wide shale]

double tap a direction then attack

can be buffered from the air too

[median geyser]

Noted

[wide shale]

so you can instant land dash attack if you want

[median geyser]

A'ight

[median geyser]

@flint tide You seem not to use much command grab

[flint tide]

I don’t like using it no

I don’t really see the point the applications are too niche

That might just be me being bad at using it but i genuinely just barely see the worth in it

[median geyser]

Can be useful against ledge though

Uncle Spamuel was cooking me with it several times & others

[nimble mirage]

At low % if you are at the right hight, I’m pretty sure you can get downward sword dash after the command grab… I have landed it a bunch of times but not really sure if they can get out when done optimally

[median geyser]

I mean depends but again it's still good against ledge

[nimble mirage]

I have seen some crazy stuff with the platform spawn perk but that stuff is scary to learn and I feel like there is a good chance they change that perk especially if it takes off

[median geyser]

Dair special can be pretty bad ngl

[nimble mirage]

Yeah I used to spam it when Jason came out and it was amazing but now I get punished or i\the second hit doesn’t connect. Not as great anymore

[median geyser]

Yes it really depends how low you're on the ground

But the move was pretty inconsistent

You also can't cancel however you like as well

[nimble mirage]

Would it be too crazy if the gave it armor lol

[median geyser]

Armor idk but I don't think it can save him from many DI attacks

Armor on ground slash is definitely a must

Although you can still dodge the ground slash

[nimble mirage]

Yeah I think you can even parry it

[flint tide]

Self damage on rage should be removed

No reason to exist

[nimble mirage]

Yeah they would remove self damage then make the cooldown longer

[flint tide]

I’m not really sure what buffs jason ‘needs’ at this point honestly

Like

I feel the game is designed in a really polarising way

Regardless of what character you play unless its one of the top tiers like ig it feels like you will have 3-5 really bad matchups that invalidate you

[median geyser]

Absolutely garbage mechanic ngl

[median geyser]

Nah man

[flint tide]

I’ve noticed this for more than just jason

[median geyser]

Not cooldown longer

[flint tide]

A lot of characters like rick and lebron seem to have similar matchup issues

[median geyser]

Of Jason?

[flint tide]

Even if you buffed jason idk what you’d reasonably buff

In a way that wouldn’t make him broken

Cause it feels like the game as a whole has too many polarising characters

[median geyser]

Batman is also annoying as heck ngl

[flint tide]

I feel like a radical balancing shift needs to happen more than just jason buffs

[nimble mirage]

I think the top tiers are just broken and need to be fixed. This game is so messed up they need to buff a bunch of bottom tiers AND nerf a bunch of top tiers

[median geyser]

Jason most needed buff is his bag currently & should remove DI mechanic from rage

[median geyser]

Superman is cancer ngl

[flint tide]

Yeah you’re right actually bag changes need to happen

I really do think an advancing command grab would be cool

[median geyser]

Like fr, it's still sh*t

[nimble mirage]

Superman is annoying but that’s not a matchup I have pulled my hair out over yet at least

[flint tide]

Like jason’s x ray in mortal kombat

Superman is fine

[median geyser]

No man he can spam jab & dtilt constantly

[flint tide]

I used to think superman was a bad matchup but i got used to fighting him more

[median geyser]

It's annoying

[flint tide]

He’s actually fine

Fun to fight even

[median geyser]

No he isn't... I met a golden Superman who kept spamming vision & jab then dtilt immediately to another one, impossible to dodge

[nimble mirage]

Yeah I get jabbed across the stage but it’s not huge damage. If I get hit 1 time by aria then I’m taking 70%

[median geyser]

It was cancer

[flint tide]

Its not impossible to dodge

[median geyser]

It's, I tried & didn't work

[flint tide]

You can dodge out of most of supermans combos

If he goes for like a ridiculously long one

[median geyser]

Not with jab + dtilt constantly

[flint tide]

The max damage one of his combos should be doing to you is like 50 or so

You’re dodging or ding wrong

[median geyser]

I couldn't dodge out of it, it wouldn't let me

[flint tide]

Not even that bad considering jason can do like 70+ to him in one combo

I mean some of his combos are true

[nimble mirage]

I have a fun time fighting any character not spamming projectiles… besides aria and sometimes WW

[flint tide]

But he can’t like actually carry you across the entire stage and just kill you instantly

He does have good carry combos but really long ones should have a gap

Oh jab dtilt

Dtilt the armour break move

Yeah you di up

If you di up while he’s doing that combo you can get out of it at like the 2nd or 3rd dtilt

[craggy lagoon]

they imho need to tone down ladder combos

most characters blend in for this reason and don’t feel like unique

most game plans are just “combo you until you die” which is just boring

this is why i really like jason btw

he is unique because he isn’t just some combo monster

[nimble mirage]

Yeah he’s the guy they practice the combos on

[tulip plaza]

I just fought a morty as jason
it was the game of thrones stages
he would spam his blaster, always walking away so I couldn't reach him, frame perfect dodges if I tried to hit him, and the damage just got racked up super easy because his projectiles don't go away as they bounce on the walls forever until they him me

this game is telling me to drop jason or something like what is this garbage

my only jason matches today
morty, banana guard, marvin, and arya
I bet I'll run into bugs or WW if I dare play another 1v1

yippe, wonder woman gameplay

[high matrix]

if Jason receives armor in any of his attacks it makes him a pretty good character, he won't break the game or anything, I hope Multiversus is not afraid of success.

[idle wolf]

Jason doesn’t need anymore buffs besides cutting sleeping back whiff by 70% and decreasing the health sacrifice for rage.

The rest of the issues are the other characters

[idle wolf]

Jason not winning against a competent Superman ima be real

Superman Nair cannot be dodged through, away, up, or down unless you time it frame perfectly I swear lol

[idle wolf]

Charge rage
Teleport behind him
Wait for dodge
Punish

If he pulls out the cleaning thing, jump and down air him

Anybody know Verlified? Im tryna fight him

[frosty lynx]

Lucky bg and marvin are so free

I only face batmans and shaggys like it aint the worst mu's but damn they lame

[void topaz]

He needs a larger dodge

[median geyser]

With his slow speed, he doesn't dodge well

[void topaz]

Yeah they need to increase his dodge length. So many times i will literally see "dodged" and still get hit by a move

[tulip plaza]

I've also so often had jason specifically dodge in the wrong direction
like ah yes thank you game, I did mean to dodge into my opponents combo instead of out of it, thank you

[void topaz]

Never had that happen. May be a controller issue for you

[tulip plaza]

I'm on keyboard so I dunno what it would be
but it really seems to only be an issue on jason, I can't remember it happing on anyone else

[honest yoke]

He always dodges the wrong direction after bed for me

Like 100% of the time

And never in any other situation besides that

[tulip plaza]

hmmm, maybe I should do some testing with that

[wide shale]

it's a timing thing

depending on how fast you dodge determines which way you go afterthe bed/stomp

[atomic cedar]

alright hear me out

what if jasons armor worked like killing machine in MKX

where he gets armor for a set time period but cant jump during it

[scenic lagoon]

No

[nimble mirage]

I think he should be heavier too. So dumb he’s the same weight as Superman. And give him armor on something idk what

And change the resurrection perk because it’s terrible

I think if you did all that + the sleeping bag changes he would only be a mid tier 😭

[unique pewter]

If they genuinely did all that he'd prolly be pretty good honestly, I really hope it happens

[analog portal]

Double the time or make it health instead of time

[median geyser]

Also permanent rage during that

[atomic cedar]

If he’s gotta be this massive I think making him weigh more would be good

I would vastly prefer his entire model be cut down to be Superman’s size but what can you do

[median geyser]

He's bigger than Superman?

[median geyser]

A kryptonian lighter than an revenant is kinda odd, don't you think?

[atomic cedar]

Not really

[median geyser]

?

[atomic cedar]

Superman is 225 lbs in everything

Jason is always portrayed as heavier iirc

[wheat lotus]

jason is like 286

[frosty swallow]

Big ahh boy

[dry slate]

My suggestion to help buff Jason is two things

1. When Jason has his Neutral Special charged up for his Grey Health, purple armor break/armor shatter perks shouldn't immediately neutralize it. That's just a free 15% + whatever damage that armor break move does. It should tank the move like any other move since it's Grey Health, not Armor.

I can possibly see this might not make some people happy, so an alternative is that armor break moves/armor shatter perks can actually hit him and give him knockback taking away the "armor", but making him keep the Grey Health so he has a bit more health than normal.

2. In his moveset list, it states that whenever he has Grey Health, he doesn't get any knockback against him, but that's only true for his Neutral Special. If he gets Grey Health from other sources, he should gain the passive ability, since, you know, it's listed as one

[dry slate]

Gotta love winning against a cocky Tom & Jerry who t-bags and taunts mid-match

[median geyser]

#clips message

Is this guy cheating/lag switching or I'm high?

[west cloak]

No, his connection is just awful. That happens when your opponent’s connection stutters and there’s heavy rollback

[median geyser]

That's more like lag switching

Connection shouldn't be that impactful

If his connection is awful, shoulda kicked is out already

[west cloak]

It is

So like they purposely lowered the kick due to lag because Xbox and PS4 players were having awful load times

Even if your opponent does disconnect (you can see that if they start running in a direction nonstop into the blast zone), the game doesn’t end

It’s very prevalent in FFA

Someone will end up disconnecting and the game won’t automatically end

And the rollback can only be so good. The issue is that there doesn’t seem to be a delay based netcode backup in the event of awful connections, so you instead just get the full brunt of teleporting that happens with really bad connections on rollback

Most games with rollback have a limit on how bad the connection can be before it forces delay based netcode and usually this is around 150 ms ping iirc

And lag switching isn’t something that can really happen in the vast majority of modern games anyway. Lag switching relies on host connection where the host can intentionally cause lag for the players connected and since they’re the one who players have to connect to, the host has a clear advantage since their game is essentially offline in comparison

This isn’t something that happens when you’re connected to a server

Because the server is what processes the game taking input from both players before proceeding

Rollback teleporting occurs when your data is sent late to the server and the server adjusts for your actual game state causing you and/or your opponent to teleport because your game is then updated to reflect the game state of the server. This can also happen if you receive server data late and get a huge packet burst

Hope some of this clarifies

[median geyser]

Idu what does it mean by rollback though...

Anyone can explain like how Jason's dash attack work?

[west cloak]

Dude in the Iron Giant thread thinks Jason has infinites lmao

[frosty lynx]

he do

[west cloak]

So, if the game doesn’t receive packets from either you or your opponent, your game will try to predict where it thinks you and your opponent will be based on your previous inputs. However, if this is incorrect when the server finally does receive your packets, the game will instead “roll your state back” to where it should be based on the server’s info

It works great for lower latency because if it’s only predicting like 50 ms into the future from a late packet, that’s not enough time for you to see any sort of teleporting

The issue arises when a packet takes like 200 ms to send and your game has to correct for something that should’ve happened 200 ms ago causing teleporting

Btw “packet” is just information about the current state of the game. Things like player position, animations, etc

[median geyser]

I see

I understand a little bit...

[frosty lynx]

@west cloak how many wins do you have on jason?

[median geyser]

Jason never had infinites right?

Most chrs like Batman & IG himself do

[frosty lynx]

he's got one against beefier characters mfs like BA and Jason

[median geyser]

I see...

Only vs beefier chrs...

[median geyser]

Damn Batmen, I fricking hate them

Batarangs & stuff sighs

[void topaz]

Jason has jab 1, down tilt. Not really an infinite, but you can get some 0-30ish on some beefy characters by just repeating that

[rugged cradle]

He has one infinite offstage with his up special when the enemy is in a free fall where there is nothing they can do.

[median geyser]

Huh I see...

[median geyser]

I see

[rugged cradle]

Yeah, when the enemy is out of off stage dodges is time to infinite.

[devout burrow]

he has loops

dair jab dair

jab dtilt jab

jab iad nair jab

dair air down b dair

nothing infinite

but they hurt

[tiny cave]

my only issue with jason is that hes so fat that some characters can hit you even dodging

[rapid cargo]

man I went and rewatched the Jason movies

I did not know he doesn't get his mask until the 3rd film

and he gets it from the worst character in the film lmao

[unique pewter]

lol yea that guy is the worst, he's keeps pulling pranks on people and then goes and pouts about it

the intro music in 3 is fire

the bag mask Jason from 2 always creeped me out the most

[timber cedar]

I really want the bag mask as a skin for Jason

[rapid cargo]

the 80s sure was a weird time for film plots

[unique pewter]

change the machete to a pickaxe

[timber cedar]

The Friday the 13th films in general have weird plots

[unique pewter]

Yea New Blood is basically Carrie vs. Jason

[rapid cargo]

Weirdly enough I think Freddy Vs Jason has been my favourite

after the first 3 it was kinda hard watching the rest including the reboot

Freddy Vs Jason was just a fun film

[unique pewter]

The first three are probably the scariest, although 5 has a surreal ridiculous quality that's grown on me on rewatches... Most people in the Friday community seem to prefer the Jarvis trilogy which is 4, 5, and 6... Really mostly 4 and 6 seem to be people's faves

[dry slate]

I think the entire series is an enjoyable watch if you're just going in for cheesy horror from the 80s and 90s. Not entirely a fan of 5 because, well, that's not Jason, but other than that I like the series

[wide shale]

jason actually does have an infinite vs iron giant if you're next to a solid wall

you can just chain grounded upspecials forever

i tested that before the big balance patch though, that may be gone

the wall bounce just keeps him stunned long enough for you to grab him again

[scenic lagoon]

It doesn't

😄

Welcome to Jason

[wide shale]

it has a couple tiny little hitbox circles around his shoulder

[scenic lagoon]

How may I take your bad options

[wide shale]

but nowhere else

[scenic lagoon]

Look, Dash attack would be so much more useful... If it just worked like Finn's side special grounded

That you can cancel it upon blocking a projectile

It would make it a good kill/combo option (Since the last part of dash attack is a weak hit that can do enough hitstun to combo or get a read into something) and would work way better against projectiles

[spare basin]

Jason mains on their way to play the worst character in the game and still lose

[median geyser]

His dash attack knockbacks are kinda depending on the distance you're hitting

Like if you hit just as the attack's about to end, it's way significant less knockback you're getting

[median geyser]

New Blood is good though & great

[unique pewter]

Personally I watch a lot of horror so I genuinely enjoy all of them… that one has almost like a Mortal Kombat fatality in the final fight pretty cool… it is the least gory of the lot but that’s due to the censor board that was in effect at the time

[median geyser]

Understandable

[frosty lynx]

Onggg bro and maybe that really bad blue n purple version from that terrible game

[frosty lynx]

Thst joke doesnt even make sense but hes nowhere close to the worst

[errant wadi]

How often are you guys using down specail cause i now ftilit into dair into some down specail stuff goes crazy

[frosty lynx]

aerial or grounded down special?

[median geyser]

He's definitely talking about the aerial, the bag is pretty much almost useless

Also command grab is going crazy

I've been hitting the command grabs quite a few times

[dry slate]

Agent Smith fell out of my command grab before getting hit by the final hitbox??

[median geyser]

Lag maybe?

I was fighting a laggy Morty & it was kinda buggy after I command grabbed him

[dry slate]

Not lag, he kinda just fell down out of it fully reactable after the first two hits

[median geyser]

I don't think you can escape grabs right?

Bots can do it however

Not sure if we can

[dry slate]

You shouldn't be able to. I wish I was recording when it happened because it actually costed me the game too. He was on his last live right beside the blast zone and he survived

[median geyser]

I see...

[median geyser]

How many times you used the grab vs Smith?

[west cloak]

I actually noticed that from a different character. I grabbed them while they were on a moving platform and they continued to move with the platform and the hits of the air neutral special grab just completely whiffed

[dry slate]

Twice. First time didnt kill because he was too low of percent, but the second one was where the thing happened. I know it wasn't one of those online bots tho since they were on PS and had a total wins badge at the bottom of their profile

[median geyser]

Hmm...

[median geyser]

But the 1st one did hit the last slash right?

[dry slate]

For me, it was just out in the open with no platforms. I've seen the platforms mess up his Grounded Up Special grab on opponents, setting them down on the platform instead of the last slam on the ground

[dry slate]

Yep

[west cloak]

Wait is this related to the change made to nerf Taz and Jake jab bite loop?

I know there’s a hitstun penalty for using bite multiple times in a row

Maybe it was mistakenly applied to Jason too

[dry slate]

It shouldnt since it isnt a struggling move, but I wouldnt doubt the devs somehow applied it to Jason in some way

[median geyser]

Jason can't walk off with his bag though... that's the point

& they did it right

Jake & Taz shouldn't be able to walk off for cheap kills

I think IG also can't walk off while holding

[dry slate]

I know the bag counts as a struggle move, I'm more talking about the Aerial Neutral Special somehow applying that lessened cooldown effect

[west cloak]

No the problem was that Taz and Jake could continually chomp and then confirm back into jab bite again

[median geyser]

But Jason can't?

Probably low recovery for him

[west cloak]

It wasn’t strictly guaranteed, but it was pretty close to

Definitely was in burnout tho

[median geyser]

Still somewhat better than Jason's bag

[west cloak]

I think the issue is the positioning

With Jake and Taz, you’re released from bite directly on top of them

But iirc you’re released behind Jason from bag

[median geyser]

It's coz Jason's bag has some distance between

[west cloak]

Because that’s where he carries them

[median geyser]

Iiiiyeah...

Not like he's holding the bag on top of his head

He's pulling the bag

[west cloak]

But I mean, Jason bag + Marvin bubble was a thing for a little while

So bag did actually have a niche but very powerful use since that killed at literally any percent regardless of positioning

But it’s been patched out for obvious reasons

[median geyser]

Wait seriously?

I wasn't able to kill at 120+

[west cloak]

No I mean if you throw the bagged opponent into Marvin’s bubble, it carries them off stage and they can’t escape

In 2v2

[median geyser]

Ah okay

[west cloak]

It was a glitch because Jason’s bag was considered a projectile

[median geyser]

Right...

[languid harbor]

And you literally die from 1 hit too. And then boom, thats it, no more.

[dry slate]

Someone explain to me how you're gonna spam the salt emote as Wonder Woman the entire round and lose to Jason Voorhees?

[tiny cave]

Lol

Happened the same to me

But he was a finn

Trying to do the insta kill combo

And when he ringout me with the combo he started spamming the salt emote

Just to loose against the fatest character in the whole game

And then i did the same after winning

[tulip plaza]

"I'm gonna do a 1v1 as Jason"
immediately a season 1 1st place finn who kills me with the same combo 3 times
I knew I was going to regret it, but jesus christ man

well at least I got my "play jason" missions out of the way

[frosty lynx]

yo who yall think is the #1 jason

I see so many mfs say they're the #1 but they aint so i wanna host a #1 jason tournament for a yt vid

[tulip plaza]

every match starts with a moonwalk pff

[dry slate]

Sounds interesting

I know I wont win but I'd def participate for the fun of it

[frosty lynx]

yo sick

@placid parrot who was that dude you were talkin about

[flint tide]

its clover

[frosty lynx]

they got any socials or somethin 🐴

[flint tide]

hes in this discord

[frosty lynx]

@scenic lagoon this dude? 🐴

[flint tide]

yeah

[scenic lagoon]

Yes hi hello

What's poppin

[frosty lynx]

this dude thinks you're the #1 jason in multiversus in the somewhat near future I'm gonna host a small tournament for all the #1 jason players to see whos really the #1 jason for a yt vid and because it's funny would you be down brother

[scenic lagoon]

Absolutely am down

But I aint no #1 Jason

[frosty lynx]

yeah it's aight it will prolly just be a bit in the vid how nok said you're #1 but yeah lemme add you bro so in the future I can hit you up 🐴

[dawn inlet]

How good is Jason’s resurrectionist perk
I’ve been using it and it doesn’t seem super impactful
Like at most I’ll get like two attacks on the opponent before I die

And I tried his shadow step perk but it seems harder to use

[flint tide]

its terrible

never use it

5% and sidestep are way better

[dawn inlet]

I wish it was buffed so that it happens for every stock
So there’s a bigger chance of being able to do more damage or get a kill

[dry slate]

I feel like 5% and Shadow Step are both equally good. Sometimes, I don't wanna be behind the opponent so I like to use 5% instead. Ressurection just sucks because you're already at a really high percent when you die at times, so all they gotta do is camp out thw ressurection timer or land a strong blow on you to negate it

[timber cedar]

It’s the worst perk in the game. Its upsides barely do anything for you because people can just run and or kill you again and it actually kills you earlier because if one pixel of your hitbox touches the void it pops

[dawn inlet]

wow ok then

hopefully thy buff it

[remote willow]

Albiet my question is how WOULD you buff it?

[dry slate]

Make it happen every stock or automatically apply Jason's Neutral Special buff when it happens

[dawn inlet]

yeah thats what i was thinking

its kinda lame how you only get one revive

[flint tide]

make it apply every stock or just remove the timer

[dawn inlet]

and the automatic neutral special buff would help with peope runing away

[dawn inlet]

ok idk about removing the timer
i guess the timer could be extended though

[remote willow]

But. Every single stock? And reminder the perk also allows your teammates to revive as well

[dawn inlet]

maybe the teammate only gets one idk

[flint tide]

it applies for one stock

removing the timer owuld be fine

[dawn inlet]

yeah either you get it every stock or theres no timer

it should also heal back to full if youre gonna keep the timer

[remote willow]

I think having it so Jason has a F-ton of gray health would also work because of his passive

And plus it would also make it beneficial for your ally as well as pretty much every character likes gray health.

[dawn inlet]

giving gray health would help against people knocking you away
but the timer should still be extended

[dry slate]

Would it be his Neutral Special Grey Health or just regular Grey Health? Because, even if it's stated as a passive, only his Neutral Special Grey Health applies the no knockback. No other instance of gained Grey Health actually activate his passive

[remote willow]

Wait really?

[dawn inlet]

really?
i thought all gray health applies the passive

[dry slate]

Yep

[dry slate]

Nope

[remote willow]

Okay that needs to be changed

But for this example it would be his special Gray health

And just normal for his ally

[dawn inlet]

the passive says:
"Jason takes no knockback while he has gray health"
does that really not include gray health from other sources?
cause if not thats lame

[remote willow]

Yeah because it implies that as long as he has it he’s good. He just wouldn’t have the increased damage/speed his neutral special gives

[unique pewter]

I think it should interact with grey health somehow, like the first time Jason would die, he instead gains an amount of grey health based off his current damage, so if he's insanely high damage he should get a ton of grey health... also grey health needs to not go away on a whiffed attack imo

[unique pewter]

Yea it's weird, I think it would be better if all grey health activated his passive just because it's more intuitive that way... His interactions with Grey health are part of a lot of my minor quibbles I'd like to see tweaked... lots of people have said it, but armor break moves shouldn't work on it imo, grey health should be it's own unique type of armor that avoids that

I think there are a lot of good ways to help him, the question is will they do it, and what do the stats on their end say about him and how well he's doing in the meta?

[dawn inlet]

they might be afraid of him being op
which is silly because hes nowhere near that good

[unique pewter]

Its funny though because he's very polarizing in a way, like the people that get rocked by him think he's op because of his kill power, so you're probably right, they are afraid that one little tweak will take him from bottom tier to Iron Giant levels of oppressiveness, but as long as they drip feed him some buffs I'll be happy

Just continuing to fix his hitboxes and buffing his weakest moves would go a long way toward him feeling better, regardless of if the bigger reworks happen sometime soon

[dry slate]

Yep. Only his Neutral Special Grey Health

[gray robin]

started playing him after like 2 weeks. did he get a major buff? cause wow im beating these guys

[unique pewter]

I don't know if I would call it major but he did get buffed for sure

[dry slate]

Does Monstrous Sidestep make his teleport hitbox smaller? I swear when I was doing the jab, jab, teleport combo on this Arya, the teleport never hit at all even when she was basically inside of my character

[dry slate]

Nevermind, she just had some crazy DI apparently. Testing in training mode proved me wrong

Also apparently jab, jab, teleport isn't true anymore. The bot can just dodge out before teleport

Wait

No

[tiny cave]

im i the only one who does this?

[dry slate]

That's just Iron Giant's stupid passive with less knockback

[tiny cave]

#clips message

[void topaz]

Yeah always go jab jab up bed on IG

[unique pewter]

You may be able to loop them with the axe grab/down air as well

[dry slate]

I discovered doing one jab then teleport works

[tiny cave]

the only reason i use rage is to stare at people's souls

[median geyser]

More polished for me

Hitboxes are less janky now & can win trades

[minor radish]

They should call it Blood Health or something to distinguish it

Voorhees family perseverance or something

[idle wolf]

How do you even determine #1 Jason

I feel like more plays into it than beating the other Jason’s

Matchup knowledge just as important imo

I’d say whoever placed highest in tourney #1

[spare basin]

What if Jasons dash attack had a hitbox

[void topaz]

Yeah.. the jason mirror is a really dumb matchup

Super volatile, doesn't mean much

[wide shale]

usually its by tournament placement, are there evne any jasons placing in tournaments at all?

[spare basin]

What does Jason do against zoners? I tried using dash attacks ability to break projectiles but because it has the most abysmal hitbox ever and whiffing is a deatth sentence, I'd get punished any time I approach and not approaching I get punished even harder

[dry slate]

Your best bet is to use the perk where if you walk, you gain a projectile shield, but once you do an attack, it's immediately gone. It's a double edged sword. On one hand you gain defense against projectiles, but on the other, you have to commit to WALKING and nothing else, which can mess you up in some senarios

[spare basin]

After walking for a measly 5 minutes, you get a projectile shield

Fire perk

[dry slate]

The "fun" part about that perk is that it won't count the turn around/start up walking animations as walking, but rather the looped animation part that actually resembles walking as well

[errant wadi]

Has there been a single good jason result

[dry slate]

Nope

Also, wtf is Jason supposed to do against a good Marvin?

[spare basin]

Thats what I'm saying projectiles are literally impossible to deal with and he has unlimited

[dry slate]

What level are yall at with Jason?

[vale iris]

Ong
I swear they said the dash attack is supposed to block projectiles but it's super unreliable and I still get hit by them

[spare basin]

It does block projectiles but the shield isn't frame 1
You have to wait until the dash attack fully comes out so you can't use it near projectiles

[vale iris]

Which basically makes it pointless because it's super telegraphed 💀

[spare basin]

Yup

[vale iris]

Man I really wish they'd actually to significant buffs to velma and Jason. They even said she was gonna get a care package but she still sucks and Jason still had awful hitboxes

[spare basin]

Idk how they can buff Jason without making him busted tbh

His speed is balancing out his kill power

His hitboxes seem to not work though

But thats not a buff him issue

Its a fix him issue

[tulip plaza]

I do think an actual buff for jason would be giving him armor on stuff
like he really does need it
like iron giant gets armor on his GRAB
why can't jason get some on like one of his grabs

[spare basin]

He has an armor move thats basically a better WW down b

[tulip plaza]

that goes away on one missed move

[spare basin]

Simply hit your move while everyone constantly runs away from you to make you whiff so they don't have to worry about it

[tulip plaza]

like at least give it like, a couple more whiffs before it goes away for missing

one thing that doesn't work on everyone of course but is fun is just intimidating your opponent with it
I've had WW and Harleys just go dodge crazy while I walk at em instead of using thier 20+ damage move that could knock me out of the armor

[spare basin]

Why would WW run lmao

Her nair is an instant armor break

AND it's a combo move

IAD nair and your armor is gone AND she gets a free 40+ damage

[tulip plaza]

like I said, it doesn't work on everyone, most WW players know they can just do that, but when you find one who doesn't its funny watching them flail

[sick solar]

Yeahh Jason isnt well design

[knotty sage]

Small wish but I hope they make the items he throws lower to the ground bc most of the cast is so short he throws it over their heads

[dry slate]

"Jason isn't a bad character" mfs when they whiff against a Marvin main, lose their grey health armor to an easily spammable armor break laser and get 50% damage from projectiles in all directions

[knotty sage]

the classes system thing died when marvin was counted as an assassin

[dry slate]

He's an assassin???

[tulip plaza]

yep

[knotty sage]

somehow

[tulip plaza]

always has been, ever since he dropped in beta

like his kit screams mage, but he's an assassin

[knotty sage]

meanwhile he has more projectiles than literally every other actual mage

[dry slate]

We need to kill Marvin with hammers

[dawn inlet]

or machetes and axes
dont forget command grabs

[dry slate]

Give Jason a projectile. Specifically either a Speargun or a Bow & Arrow

[knotty sage]

i want like a projectile that holds enemies it hits so he can close in

[tulip plaza]

throw the axe and pin people to the ground with it

[knotty sage]

let bro just throw his massive axe at people

replace resurrectionist with a perk that changes neutral attack with a heavy projectile axe throw

[gray gale]

Close enough.
Welcome Back Mortal Kombat X

[tulip plaza]

died 2015 born 2024 welcome back jason from mortal kombat x

[spare basin]

Give him a tree that he throws as a heavy projectile

Lore accurate Jason

[rapid cargo]

give him 50% extra damage against teenage campers

[scenic lagoon]

So Morty

[dry slate]

hell yeah

[frosty lynx]

Jason doesn't need major buffs

[frosty lynx]

rage is by far the last attack that needs a buff it's already really good

you get increased movement speed, crazy damage, longer hitstun on attacks, and free armour with a really short recharge for what it does

[lean flare]

I actually just got top 8 in a small tournament recently, almost got higher, last match was a last hit last stock situation

24 would be pretty good for an irl local so
Works for me 😆

[honest yoke]

liontoast won a 96 person tournament playing solo jason until winners finals where he switched to joker to beat an arya

[lean flare]

Very nice

[honest yoke]

thats the best jason result i'm aware of

[scenic lagoon]

@latent heron You should join the Jason cord if all this is true

[latent heron]

this is true

[scenic lagoon]

Coolios

[void topaz]

I placed top 32 w jason in a doubles tournament

[scenic lagoon]

Noice

[scenic lagoon]

Want an invite as well?

[void topaz]

To what

[scenic lagoon]

Jason discord

[void topaz]

Sure

[median geyser]

Send me as well

[scenic lagoon]

I'm growing the Jason cord as best I can

[median geyser]

Thanks man

[dry slate]

Yo mind if I join that?

[idle wolf]

Let me innnnn

[lean flare]

Hey, I'm the owner of the jason discord. If you want an invite, send me a DM! Thank you Clover for sharing it around haha

Or if you're in the Multiversus Pro discord, the link is in the character-discords channel there

I'd send you an invite Spamuel but your dms are closed haha

[craggy lagoon]

Iike 12

[craggy lagoon]

he has a harpoon gun in the movies

[dry slate]

That's what I meant by speargun lol, I just got the name wrong

[craggy lagoon]

i wish he could use that it’d be funny

jason pulling in enemies with a harpoon gun for insane set ups

but yeah jason getting a projectile perk would be really cool

harpoon gun, axe throw, machete throw, idrc just give him one

[tulip plaza]

clearly we just give jason a gun
like agent smiths gun pfft

bang

[idle wolf]

Ohhh I’m a goof let me fix it

[idle wolf]

Try now

[lean flare]

Nope, still cant lol

[scenic lagoon]

I sent it

[proud oyster]

nerf jason

wtf

too much dps

[wheat lotus]

it's almost as if heavyweights are supposed to hit hard

[proud oyster]

too much hp then

[wheat lotus]

it's almost as if heavyweights are supposed to be heavy to make up for the fact that they usually have big hitboxes

[west cloak]

Dude must think Ganon is OP in smash

[frosty lynx]

bro bragging about a mid placement in a doubles tourney 🐴

[flint tide]

Any achievement you earn whether its 32 or 1st is worth being celebrated

[frosty lynx]

ong dudes gotta take pride in their accomplishments but going around constantly bragging about placing 32nd in 2s tourney like it makes you crazy at the game is kinda 🐴

[void topaz]

Wheres your placement?

Top 3000?

It was also mentioned because they were talking about Jason tournament placements

I understand you're jealous, but we're all friends here

[rapid cargo]

you're getting baited

[lean flare]

32nd is good though?

This has to be bait lmao

[rapid cargo]

he is quite the master at baiting

[muted dove]

bait used to be belivable

[rapid cargo]

a master baiter if you will

[sick solar]

They still need to fix Jason hitbox

[knotty sage]

I LOVE JASON NEUTRAL ATTACK

[spare basin]

I love killing people at 5% with rage neutral 🗣️

[knotty sage]

nah not even in rage i just love using the move

[spare basin]

Thank God my Jason is low MMR and I can get away with bs like that 🙏

[knotty sage]

its so big with insane knockback

its a pretty decent edgeguard tool too if you space it right

[knotty sage]

things that true combo into jab2
neutral attack grounded
down attack grounded
up attack grounded
side special
up special grounded
down special grounded (based on character weight, only true on lighter characters)

tested against a shaggy bot set to dodge after hitstun, later tested on arya (lightest character) and IG (heaviest)

[craggy lagoon]

jason jab is insane

[spare basin]

If T&J can catch both opponents in his uptilt, jason can fully charge his uptilt and kill in 2s
Ridiculous situational strategy but it is funny

[knotty sage]

jason in my experience is powerless when hes getting camped, hes too slow to properly approach someone who's prepared

[devout burrow]

step 1: play arya

step 2: collect tears

[knotty sage]

morty too

[devout burrow]

alternatively

I'm the best jason of all time

[frosty swallow]

tell him welcome to the club

[rapid cargo]

i'll beat him up for you >: (

[chrome sluice]

ik this is old but idk ive been having trouble with batman

[chrome sluice]

definitely

he needs to be approached, not the other way around

his advantage state is great but when it comes to neutral game he just doesnt win

most times when i lose with jason im blaming it on my character but there are times i can respect the loss

[median geyser]

How's jab jab axe neutral guaranteed?

I'd it many times & they were able to dodge

Or you talking about jab axe neutral?

[knotty sage]

i think you have to input buffer it but ive pulled it off consistently

[median geyser]

Nah man can you do it in match for me?

I was never able to hit it

[spare basin]

3 stock him with Velma (objective worst character in the game) and ruin his ego

[stable matrix]

Would prolly work Jason is a pretty good matchup for her

[knotty sage]

are you fully charging neutral?

[median geyser]

No?

I'd immediately many times & not charging but still got dodged

[knotty sage]

check dms i have a clip of me doing it

[atomic cedar]

me when i "dodge" an attack (no i didnt)

im so tired of this lmao

[tulip plaza]

what makes it always hurt more is that when I play marvin, there are phantom projectiles
basically if you dodge a projectile once its fully dead
why doesn't this apply for dodging any move
like I should not see "dodged" but I still get hit while behind that person from that one same move, its insane

[tiny cave]

Yeah

They gotta buff dodges

Specially because of jason

[feral cargo]

today has been a very productive Jason day

[frosty lynx]

bro I always forget how deceptively fast IG's moves are

like bro will play all sloppy and use side special to fly cross stage I'll avoid it easily he'll over shoot but before I can even jab bro dodges outta the way

and we talk don't about that down special 🐴

[minor radish]

Side air is devastatingly fast

Find myself caught in it more than I'd like

[charred zinc]

idk if it's just me but does jason have faster moves the more you hit them? deadass thought there was a bloodlust mechanic

[median geyser]

Not really...

If you whiff, the animations for many chrs are very slow

If you actually hit something, the animations sped up

If you mean that?

[charred zinc]

it's probably that yeah

but i've had situations where i felt my up special came out sooner

[median geyser]

Strange... probably input delay for the opponent or something

Also Jason post-patch can win trades easier now

Since the hitbox startup frames at the first jab is buffed

Axe slam as well...

Sleeping Bag still need buffs though

[charred zinc]

sleeping bag is more of a meme move really

[median geyser]

It's specifically designed for 2s

It's completely useless in 1s

[charred zinc]

yeah

[median geyser]

So It's way better to make it general move instead of heavily 2s focused move

I can also never understand the whiff recovery as well

Like why the heck we need to wait till Jason takes out his machete makes no sense

[craggy lagoon]

that sounds cool actually

[charred zinc]

would be a bit broken though i feel

maybe that'd be a way to make pre buff jason viable but i think the patch did enough for him

[median geyser]

He's still low tier though...

Doesn't really have good options to approach & easily losing trades during air

[spare basin]

Jasons main 2 issues are being big and heavy (combo food) and his attacks being slow (long start up, long whiff)

Making his attacks faster without gutting his kill power would be a mistake because he has some of the highest kill power in the game rn

Can't do much about him being combo food without replacing his model either

He's in the same boat as Iron Giant in that sense tbh

He's either busted or he's bad, there isn't a good spot for him in 1s at least

He's a nuisance in 2s

[median geyser]

Like that's a major problem he hits hard but at the same time being very slow to compensate this... it's matter of skill when you playing as him. The problem is hitting people

All of his aerial moves have no charging at all... like okay I want a quicker sair with less dmg but no we don't havr that

We've a slower sair that has the highest dmg potential & knockback

[spare basin]

Highest damage and knockback doesn't even matter when Batmans sair exists that thing is vile

Sair > jump > sair does way too well

[median geyser]

Isn't Batman sair good?

[spare basin]

It's TOO good

[candid field]

Rage is Insane if you set it up in 2v2 I have been oneshotting using it

Being able to dodge in while it‘s active and use the axe or Bed is so cheezy lol

[timber narwhal]

Did they nerf Jason?

He feels worse