Jason

[mental oar]

Those are my main complaints with em

He doesn't really feel like a tank when all of his attacks get interrupted so easily

[median geyser]

He lacks armor to earn himself the rolen as a tank

Iiiiiyeah his hitboxes are very trash

His dair is probably the worst out of all, it's so slow & barely hits

Sair need some hitbox work & his nair too

[fading hare]

I think they should just buff his neutral special armor by

1. Removing the ability to break it immediately through armor breaking moves
2. Have the gray health remain after attacking.
   That maybe with his neutral attack and neutral special air grab having armor could help fix him a bit

[neon spire]

It's crazy how Jason's schtick in the movies is of an unrelenting unkillable slasher, but in multiverse he's combo food unless he gets a really good read (regular reads often end in trades)

He deserves armor

[halcyon badger]

And even then when you get a read he’s so slow they just dodge out the way again/ you clip right through them lol

The amount of times I know they’ll dodge behind me so I wait then turn around jab but since they’re literally in my body the jab misses

I’m still hoping for them to implement some type of dodge burnout consequence

[tulip plaza]

jason has so many problems that even if my opponent is in burnout, it still doesn't matter because their character is simply better and jasons hitboxes don't work

[knotty sage]

dodge burnout gives you no immunity frames when you dodge and apparently dodge gets more endlag

[halcyon badger]

Yeah I know that

It needs more endlag tbh

[honest yoke]

I think burnout is pretty well balanced mechanically the problem is just how quickly you can recover from it and how easily certain characters can stall it out

[timber cedar]

the only problem I have with burnout is how quickly dodge jumping drains it

I think it’s half a bar per jump

[honest yoke]

I think it would be a nice way to speed up the game if they made dodge jumping cheaper when used outside of combos

Like only 2 bars instead of 3

[timber cedar]

yea

it would help out a lot of the slower members of the cast

[tulip plaza]

some characters are also just so good that burnout means nothing, so it really only punished lower tier characters

[honest yoke]

Yeah like you get black Adam in burnout and he just flies away until his meter is back

Good luck catching him

[tulip plaza]

and WW, well who would have guessed shes always a problem

[timber cedar]

who needs to dodge when you have armor on command

[fickle ledge]

Dodge jumping is a really strong option so the cost is somewhat deserved given how easy it is to return to neutral, or disengage from a situation for little risk outside of the resources you spend.

I'd say the bigger problem is dodge attacking is also really expensive.
If you don't have a good projectile that's the way characters like Jason can counter it, but it's so costly if you don't get the punish or something goes wrong after you do then you're in a really tough spot.

[tulip plaza]

and even when she loses armor in burnout, her framedata is just so good it will never matter
shes so much fun :3

[timber cedar]

I forgot about dodge attacking

yea that seems like the bigger problem

I’ve seen people say WW doesn’t have good combo game and then show a clip of a 0td

[tulip plaza]

"it wasn't true so that shows she's just bad" like brooooooooo

[timber cedar]

there was one single frame where you could of dodged out of it

but good luck with the online delay and the built in delay

[tiny cave]

They should add voicelines for Jason

[tulip plaza]

he does already, smile

[timber cedar]

not for Jason but towards Jason

[tulip plaza]

announcer pack that is just jasons mother

[timber cedar]

barely any characters actually interact with him

[tiny cave]

Wait really?

[timber cedar]

that’d be sick

[tiny cave]

I think it would be better

Like after Game voiceline

Victory voiceline

[timber cedar]

Pamela just starts screaming at you if ringout Jason

[tiny cave]

Jason is the only one without voicelines i think?

They should add Pamela as voicelines

[tulip plaza]

it would be great

[timber cedar]

Pamela honestly could work as a standalone fighter

you got a entire movie to work with for her

[tulip plaza]

I was gonna say or even a skin for jason, but then I realized that wouldn't work
but maybe an "echo" fighter, where she has a few similar moves and a bunch of mostly unique ones

either way, I wouldn't complain, it would be fun

[timber cedar]

instead of crushing the bed she stabs a arrow through it

[tulip plaza]

if they ever made a second F13 character I guess it would be Pamela
I mean I've never seen the movies so I dunno if there are any like, main characters that you could add

[timber cedar]

you could maybe add Tommy

[tulip plaza]

that sounds familiar, maybe from the game but I can't quite remember why

[timber cedar]

Tommy Jarvis?

I think that’s his name

[tiny cave]

He is from the game and the movies

[tiny cave]

Ye

[tulip plaza]

I could be completely wrong on this, but iirc in the game there was a guy that could spawn in late into a match and he had a shotgun to counter jason with
is that him?

[timber cedar]

I know he’s the kid with the masks in the fourth movie and went crazy in the fifth one

[timber cedar]

yea

[dire violet]

I wish I could charge my aerials

[median geyser]

I mean you can't really do much since he's slow

I've been using the nground axe a lot & it's a fairly underrated move

[mental oar]

I'd prefer Tommy over Pamela, you'd be adding a second villain with Pamela compared to Tommy being maybe the only heroic character to use from F13

Plus he's awesome

[timber cedar]

Yea

I was just saying that she could work as a character but Tommy should definitely come before her

[mental oar]

I'm pretty sure Rick is the only character that interacts with em

Literally no one else has said anything in my matches just Rick insulting Jason

[halcyon badger]

Lol I love ricks intro line to him. “Okay who invited the guy with the hockey mask”

I could’ve sworn other characters say something as well

[tiny cave]

The only one i know can interact with Jason is Rick, who else?

[timber cedar]

Smith does in the leaks

but no one else in game interacts with him

lemme check tho

[tulip plaza]

my favorite part about it is that smith seems to like jason
hes human, but also so, inhuman

[timber cedar]

isn’t he a demon or something

or like a hell parasite I think

[tulip plaza]

Jason? he's basically just a zombie right? last I remember anyways

[timber cedar]

Yea Jason

I haven’t seen the 7th movie in a while so I dunno

[tulip plaza]

I haven't seen any of the movies
I've been learning thanks to MVS

[timber cedar]

I think he’s a hell parasite because in the 7th movie he’s constantly spitting out a worm thing and taking people over with it

[tiny cave]

That didnt happened in the 7th

And Jason is like a zombie

[tiny cave]

That is Jason from part 9

[timber cedar]

it was Jason goes to hell

[tiny cave]

Ye

[timber cedar]

right?

alright

[tiny cave]

He can posses people

[tiny cave]

Jason goes to hell technically isnt canon

Bc theres no conection between 9th movie and Jason X

[timber cedar]

so he is basically just a zombie

[tulip plaza]

it also sounds like a totally different situation
at least without context it sounds more like he goes to hell, gets demon powers from satan, and then goes back to earth to do more killin

[neon spire]

Jason is a state of being

[tulip plaza]

so true

[timber cedar]

Jason has reached godhood

[neon spire]

The slasher demigod

[tulip plaza]

need the godhood jason skin where he has like the jesus robes on
jason has ascended

and he does that like super man one million devine pose

honestly can't wait to see what other skins Jason gets in the future
uber jason with its unique screens was so fun and I'd love to see more like it

[tiny cave]

There Will be a F13 map in a next update

Maybe it Will show up on monday showcase

[tulip plaza]

well hopefully the next update

[tiny cave]

Crystal lake map

[tulip plaza]

the WB tower is still barely in the game despite being leaked way back in alpha but I hope that and crystal lake get in in the next update
need more maps overall tbh

[tiny cave]

WB tower its already in game

[tulip plaza]

well technically

[tiny cave]

Its just dont available in pvp mode

[tulip plaza]

but you know what I mean
its not in the rotation or anything

[tiny cave]

Ye

Idk why they didnt add it since its already in a rift

[tulip plaza]

maybe its that weird wire frame version cus they still are figuring out a couple things on it
cus from some things I've seen you're suppoed to be able to open the tower but you can't on the cyber tower

I also did consider what kinda music crystal lake would have

[median geyser]

How's Jason goes to hell isn't canon?

When Freddy literally collected his mask & resurrected him next film

[tiny cave]

Hes suppossed to be un hell

[tiny cave]

I didnt see that movie

So he just came back

And got captured by the grendel crew

[median geyser]

He came back coz of Freddy, but he was officially dead

Like got dragged down to the hellhole just like Freddy was also in hell

With nowhere near the power, he sent Jason to get his power back then starts killing

But at the same time, it created the rival between him & Jason

[median geyser]

If you didn't watch the movie then go watch it

Don't judge that Jason goes to hell isn't canon when you even barely watch FvJ

[median geyser]

He's more of kinda like a hybrid of something but I can agree that he's a parasitic undead revenant

[neon spire]

Jason did nothing wrong

[median geyser]

Hmm?

[neon spire]

He's a good boy

[median geyser]

Lol

[timber cedar]

uh I’m pretty sure he’s killed nearly 200 people

[median geyser]

Yeah that much... very high kill counts

[timber cedar]

oh nevermind then

[median geyser]

Good boy but disabled at the same time

But yeah before the events of FvJ, Freddy & Jason were supposed to be dead & stayed in the hellhole

& it was a good thing we know for the fact that they shared the same universe together as well

[neon spire]

Is he eligible for government subsidies?

[median geyser]

Maybe... as long he didn't kill people which the government will send military to cook him

[halcyon badger]

I wonder if we’ll ever get sackhead Jason skin

The OG

[tiny cave]

If they keep adding Jason skins

I would like to see the Jason from part 2

And Savini jason

[median geyser]

Savini Jason technically is already added...

Judging from the boss fight

They can use that & port it in

[tulip plaza]

I've mentioned it before, but I really want that goofy NES jason
purple jason, can't wait

[tiny cave]

I mean playable

[median geyser]

Nah y'all want many Jason from F13 game? Sheesh

[tiny cave]

And he kinda looks like savini

[median geyser]

Me wanting Freddy here while y'all want Jason skins...

[neon spire]

Jason needs silly skins, like a mascot suit or a mime attire

[tulip plaza]

I hope he has a shark hat costume, and that I can get it

also yeah, silly goofy jason skins would be great

[median geyser]

Can't believe skins have so much influences...

[gritty hemlock]

In no way shape or form is Lebron more athletic than Jason Voorhees. xD

[median geyser]

Nah man Jason is more build than this basketball dude

[acoustic crypt]

ur kidding me

[gritty hemlock]

Jason walks faster than 80% of humans run. The fact that he can move at blinding speeds, carry struggling people on an active sc ale, toss heavy people and things like they were two weight classes below him is something else.

[acoustic crypt]

prime Bron isnt more fit than jason

[gritty hemlock]

https://tenor.com/Vibw.gif

Man is clearing trees as he casually walks. o;

Jason has thrown an entire oak tree through two people. xD

[median geyser]

Yes he can run even as an undead, just decides not to...

[acoustic crypt]

he walks fast bc hes 6'5 with long legs
lebrons 6'9

[gritty hemlock]

💀

[acoustic crypt]

lebron could do this easy

at 40

[gritty hemlock]

I'm dead. Agree to disagree.

[tiny cave]

I mean he probably Will be in a future cuz i doubt Jason being the only horror character

[median geyser]

Freddy's licensing situation is the same as Jason's...

So yeah he's a chance...

PFG need to pay for the license

[acoustic crypt]

lebron is basically peak human dude
my glorious king runs circles around jason

[median geyser]

Dude... Jason is already peak human without training

[gritty hemlock]

Jason is well beyond peak human. That is an insult to even sith im on that spot. xD

[median geyser]

Like even as a human, he still well built

[acoustic crypt]

and he doesnt train, he wouldnt start now for the fight

prime lebron is no diffing jason

[median geyser]

Who needs to train where Jason coulda use brute force?

Jason has a much better pain tolerance

[acoustic crypt]

he doesnt know how to ball tho

lebron gets his magic space jam metal basketball

[median geyser]

He doesn't need to know & Lebron doesn't need to know about using weapons

[gritty hemlock]

trolling.

xD

i was seriously worried for a sec

[median geyser]

If he gets that then would it be fair for Jason? No, not really...

[acoustic crypt]

lebron simply negs
better build
peak physicality
space jam powers

[acoustic crypt]

well its multiversus characters vs jason so id think he got it

[median geyser]

Lmao, if you're taking in space jam powers then bring Uber Jason in for the fight

[acoustic crypt]

thats a skin, if we doing that then lebron gets the lerobin and Leamazon buff

[gritty hemlock]

Jason literally beat Jason X in a canon comic.

[median geyser]

Or have them do the hand to hand combat without weapons

[acoustic crypt]

hows jason fairing against an amazonian

[median geyser]

Lore accurate, Jason cooked Lebron

[gritty hemlock]

Legit, I thought you was being fr fr.

I thought we meant rl XD

[acoustic crypt]

even in real life if its multiversus Bron he'd get the basketball stuff

jason when a flaming exploding basketball is hurtling at his head from the free throw line

[median geyser]

If it's real life then he should get regular basketball, not space jam basketball power kind of thing

[acoustic crypt]

well thats what he has in the game, and it doesnt say Lebron from real life it says Lebron Space Jam (or maybe it says looney tunes idk)

[median geyser]

That's why I said if

[acoustic crypt]

even then heat lebron mid diffs jason

if its real life he gets a security team and they jump him bc why would lebron james be in the woods alone with no gun

[median geyser]

Uber Jason cooked majority of Lebrons dude

[median geyser]

Then he's no reason to do so... other than wanting to piss Jason off

[acoustic crypt]

bro must not know heat lebron

that #6 is how many minutes jason stays concious in the fight

[median geyser]

What #6?

[acoustic crypt]

thats his jeresy number

bro really didnt know heat lebron

just trust heat lebron wipes the floor with uber jason

[median geyser]

Lebron doesn't know how to fight other than playing basketball dude?

Heat Lebron is irl Lebron if I'm correct?

[acoustic crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-dunk-nba-basketball-player-gif-17213906

whats jason doing against this

[median geyser]

He was just trying to get a goal, not fighting dude? That's sports, not fighting

[knotty sage]

cut lebron's head off with an axe

[median geyser]

He doesn't even need weapons to cook Lebron

Bring in the human Jason with Lebron in the hand to hand conbat, Jason will still cook him without training

[knotty sage]

lebron i think could hold his own for a bit but jason absolutely wins

[median geyser]

You can also see in 2009 remake, Jason can still run with his leg being injured

If Lebron got his leg injured, he woulda requested for days off to recover & not exercising

[acoustic crypt]

you dont know lebron like i do

[median geyser]

You can't compare a peak human to the peak untrained human

Jason in 2009 remake is a lot tough dude with higher intelligence

[neon spire]

there's no counter, Vorhees is cooked against that dunk, Jason is too short to guard or block it.
Lebron can't be beaten on the court.

[unique pewter]

Honestly the movies can be viewed two ways imo… either he was that hellish parasite the whole time and that explains why he couldn’t die and Freddy reconstituted his physical form when he dragged him out of hell, or the final girl of Jason takes Manhattan finally broke the curse by defeating Jason as someone who had also drowned in the lake (when she defeats him he starts coughing up lake water and reverts to a child again like his spirit was being released) and everything after that is more like “what if” shenanigans rather than canonical events… Jason goes to hell basically said Jason was a deadite the whole time and feels more like an evil dead movie than a Friday flick

[halcyon badger]

Man finn is such a bad matchup his blade comes out faster than you can react since ur so big

Covering so much ground and his dash attack wipes out rage

[tiny cave]

My only problem with fin is his lateral special like why does it aims automatically

Thats broken

And innecesary

Like You dont Even have to be precise

He goes straight to you

Completely no skill attack

[median geyser]

I see... but like his mask is still there & stucked in his face for whatever reasons & also how did Freddy return in Freddy's Dead?

I think I agree the first but not the second

Coz his mask is still literally there...

Freddy took the mask at the end as well

[halcyon badger]

It’s sad when people realize all they have to do to win is ledge camp

Had good game against bugs but soon I’m up a stock he’s camping waiting for resources lol

[unique pewter]

Why does the mask make it canon tho? You just mean the films connect so you like to think of them as all part of it? I think everything after 8 felt so different I just think of them as “what ifs” but it’s totally a subjective thing I think, since we know there was no actual overarching narrative or world building, and each movie barely got made every time, and every time they were unsure of if the next one would happen, and it had different writers pretty much every single movie… so whatever cohesion is there is just coming from fans filling in the gaps however they want really

[median geyser]

The mask literally stucked in the face for whatever unknown reasons but idk either... coz in Jason goes to hell, Jason was stuck in hell

If you follow the logic by the end of Part 8, what exactly happened to him? So like the curse thing you said just didn't make much cleared... so all the time he was some sort of imagining undead type of guy or what???

[unique pewter]

I kinda thought of the mask as just being his inner perception of himself so like if he gets reformed it was made with him? lol or I guess like you said Freddy grabbed it for him… maybe it was needed to bring him back? Like a relic

[median geyser]

Iiiiyes

Coz the mask is gone in Part 8 but where did the mask in Part 9 come from then?

The thing is though, Jason at the end of Part 8 wasn't in hell

[unique pewter]

Well the original idea was that his mom was insane and when she was killed on the shoreline it either brought him back to life or he saw it from the woods where he had been living and it enraged him, from then on he was alive until he was killed by Tommy and then when lightning hit him it brought him back again sort of cementing his undead abilities or the ability to come back from the dead… but drowning in the lake is what connected him to the place and the final girl of 8 who was also a drowning victim is more empathetic to him through that film often seeing the inner child of him as a ghost… so one way of taking that ending is that it was supposed to be the final movie as so many before it were also supposed to be and she broke the curse/connection to the lake by drawing him away from the campground and defeating him as a fellow drowning victim… but it’s all subtext and nothing is spelled out… and you’re right the mask snaps and breaks down at the end of that one, so who knows where he got another/the same one? But he does look all melted like he got hit with toxic waste which is how he died in the previous one…. Soooo ya kno lol who knows

[unique pewter]

I think 9 insinuates that he just reforms at the campground or in the lake whenever his physical form is destroyed at all… which is a whole other thing really that doesn’t necessarily make sense with the body swapping aspect, like why did he reform there if he could body swap or why does he body swap if he can just reform? That movie is honestly wild lol

[median geyser]

That's why it got panned by fans for making no explaination & the movie was quite illogical... also Jason has much less screentime in his body other than going around possessing

Freddy's Dead movie was also panned, due to no explainations & logics of Freddy returning

Jason goes to hell was also the only og movie to be distributed by Warner Bros, not Paramounts too

Paramount sold the Jason rights to them that time

[unique pewter]

8 and 9 both would’ve done better if they had been properly advertised… like if 8 was just called Jason takes a cruise instead of Jason takes Manhattan nobody would’ve been upset when the movie doesn’t show New York until the last 20 minutes and half of it is clearly Canada… and if 9 had been an evil dead crossover or like “the curse continues” it’d be better… but you tell people Jason is in New York and they want to see New York… you tell them they’re gonna get a Jason movie… well they want to see Jason silly

[median geyser]

Yeah... obv they made it like that way

That's why the title is there for them

[halcyon badger]

Anyone here use dodge jump nair to gain momentum?

[median geyser]

Me

But I feel it's useless most of the time

Coz you get burnout fast & can't have enough time to hit

[elfin fossil]

Every person who says adding armor to Jason's moves would be too much (and yes I do see some people saying that) are scabs and spies trying to keep thr Worlds Number One Son (Jason Voorhees) down

[stable matrix]

I like the way his armor works I just wish it didn’t do extra damage to Jason

If they fix his hitboxes and make him a little tanker he’s in a fine place

[elfin fossil]

Either make his armor special (like it's implied to be) by making armor break not work on it, or remove the damage.

Something needs to give, it is not doing it's job right now.

[halcyon badger]

Also fix his grabs. I really wanna see those animations more

[thorn wing]

imagine if they made grounded up special spike

[elfin fossil]

Id settle for it launching away anyone who gets hit with it while it has someone grabbed, honestly. I keep getting punished for hitting both opponents at the same time with the Axe Grab

[tiny cave]

me

dodge + normal air attack

[timber cedar]

i finally got Uber Jason

absolute banger

[tulip plaza]

lets goooooo
part of the uber club

I dunno if I'll stick with uber jason, since I bought tooniverse for a reason, but I at least have to use it for a few more weeks

[timber cedar]

most of the legendary skins in this game are bangers

[elfin fossil]

He's peak

I love how all his weapons, and even the Bed and Sleeping Bag are all futuristic and sleek

[tulip plaza]

I really liked that too

the big wood bed gets switched for a metal framed bed
the axe and machete get nice sleek simple designs
the sleeping bag... changes color, altho tbh I dunno what you'd do other then that
I mean that is the movie with the sleeping bag kill iirc so it only makes sense to keep it that way

[timber cedar]

honestly the sleep bag stuff doesn’t matter to me because I never use that move outside of memeing when I’m stomping someone or for a mission

[tulip plaza]

I like to try and use it sometimes, usually jab 1 into bag, but I end up mashing into jab 2 so I might as well do a different combo then cus jab 2 doesn't combo into bag

[timber cedar]

bag has some very very niche uses that are probably bugs

like Marvin bubble and Rick’s portals

[tulip plaza]

hard to say for sure if they are bugs
I hope they're not tho cus its funny

[timber cedar]

I’d imagine that stuff is gonna get removed

you could make it so the bubble pops eventually

Rick’s portals is just a instakill tho if you set it up right

[tulip plaza]

I do think its cool and super funny tech that I hope only gets nerfed if needed and not removed

I mean, like I said with other things, if WW gets to be the way she is, jason deserves the funny sleeping bag bubble

[timber cedar]

yea

this game is really buggy when it comes to command grabs

like Velma just snitching herself onto people

[tulip plaza]

I've seen it happen with a couple other characters, but in like 99% of the clips that get posted its always velma who gets stuck

which makes me wonder what it is about velma that causes it

what kinda spaghetti code caused that lol

[timber cedar]

it’s something related to her code for side special

[tulip plaza]

must be

[timber cedar]

which is weird because no one uses that move

so it’s somehow grabbing people without actually doing the move

[tulip plaza]

also on the topic of jason, youtube recommended me a channel the other day
"Play with Jason"
its a channel of a guy with a webcam, dressed as Jason, playing video games with Jason in it (usually the F13th game) and he recently did a couple vids of him playing multiversus
as you'd expect, he does not speak, or really react at all, and I think its really funny

[timber cedar]

he loses a match and just gets up and leaves to do

unspeakable acts

[tulip plaza]

he also sits in a dark room, so you can see the light from his monitor
like the big split colors in mvs right as a match starts
its such a funny channel

[neon spire]

lmao, that's hilarous, link it please

[tulip plaza]

so far he only has two multiversus videos

https://www.youtube.com/@PlayWithJason

also just looking at his latest vid from yesterday, the footage is pretty old, still had that joker event missions
makes me wonder how much he's played

[timber cedar]

probably not much

[tulip plaza]

I mean, he's the real jason of course, he probably has better things to do
like terrorize crystal lake pfft

[timber cedar]

why do people even go to crystal past like the 5th series of murders

[tulip plaza]

you could say that about alot of things in the modern era
your answer will always be
stupid people

[neon spire]

sinful groups of teenagers love camp crystal lake weekends, you wouldn't understand

[tiny cave]

I just need 5 more levels to get it done

[gritty hemlock]

Finn just busted all around. He shouldn't lock on people with his air side special, and the bag is just predictably annoying and overly safe.

[tiny cave]

Thats what i said

[gritty hemlock]

yeeee

[tulip plaza]

there are just some moves you can clearly see coming, but you just get hit by it anyways

[tiny cave]

His air side special is the equivalent to aim bot

[gritty hemlock]

It's sad too. He is just an overly safe character with an unusual amount of pressure and very very very very tight hitboxes.

I don't get why everyone can have tiny hitboxes but Jason's hitboxes have to be double his size basically.

[timber cedar]

I fought a Finn who just kept spamming one move over and over again and the move changed each stock

like the first stock he’d spam up tilt and the next he spammed backpack

I wanted to reach through my monitor and punch him

[gritty hemlock]

Because it just can't be punished. Not as anyone but characters who ignore the hit. you should not have to release with finn in order to attack because it gives way too huge of an advantage not having to focus on reflexes.

Fast, tiny, heavy damage, borderline tanky with how much priority his moves have over half the cast.

[timber cedar]

I had to brute force him with neutral special

first and only time I tea bagged

[gritty hemlock]

That eventually just opens you up for the notorious run away and dash attack

[timber cedar]

He didn’t have enough of a brain to do that

[tulip plaza]

I avoid t-bagging specifically, unless someone truly deserved it
altho I can't help but always moonwalk after I win
and sometimes when the match just starts lol

[gritty hemlock]

moonwalking fun, never feel bad about doing a taunt. you got it, earned it , bought it, whatever'd it. xD

Now interrupting your taunt to continue taunting is where the intentional maliciousness is there.

[tulip plaza]

sometimes people will just sit there for a sec, others will just run in anyways
I enjoy it when someone joins me in the taunt at the start
like this one fellow uber jason I met

[gritty hemlock]

i love silliness.

[tulip plaza]

#clips message

I love when the silliness happens, but understandable, as it is a fighting game, not everyone does it
or they would have if they realized it was happening, sometimes I immediately start fighting and don't realize, but since I attacked its already too late

[tiny cave]

Lol

It happened to me but with a iron giant

[tiny cave]

Best emote in the whole game

[knotty sage]

i have achieved Uber Jason

[halcyon badger]

Nice

[tulip plaza]

you can tell a lot about a person based on their reaction to beating a low tier as a top tier

[safe geode]

its literally torture to play this terrible character lol no shot he isn't the worst

[west cloak]

You clearly haven’t played Velma

[mossy flume]

i've played both and i unironically think velma is better

just pls pfg fix hand hurtboxes, hitboxes, utilt 1 damage bug, utilt dash bug and ill be happy

no need to bump his other stuff up without seeing how he performs with this

[tulip plaza]

god, there is just no way to fight harley
she can just throw out massive hitboxes instantly its insane

[tulip plaza]

naturally after complaining about harley, I get a harley who I terrified

#clips message

[gritty hemlock]

BRO, VELMA IS NOT THAT BAD COMPARED TO JASON 😭

They just need to make him thinner honestly

and partially faster with air attacks and a reliable in terms of grabbing people

[tulip plaza]

also, got to level 13 as jason
so close to that gleamium

[west cloak]

I’ll be honest, I thought I had clicked on Taz channel lmao

And I was gonna say someone complaining about Taz being bottom 1 is insane

But honestly I still think Velma is worse than Jason

[gritty hemlock]

xd

oh

[west cloak]

Not by much but by enough

It’s a pretty close race between Velma, Jason, and Jake

They’re all awful

Jason is at least fun to play tho

The others are just bad in a way that’s not even fun

[gritty hemlock]

Velma's hit boxes won't get her shifted or bs'd out the screen and can reliably be effective with the little mobility she has. Jake and Velma have the luxury of speed too.

[west cloak]

Velma has no kill power and hardly any reliable combos outside of when characters are in burnout

[gritty hemlock]

I've always said it. A bad player who mshes buttons and panics or just runs from Jason can often win against semi to competent Jasons frfr

her up attack can kill confirm and people chsing below get pushed up above you for an up attack. I don't think she is supposed to chase and be as confrontational

Again, i don't even want to take the time to learn her but i get good ring outs on her every now and then with semi effort. o;

[west cloak]

Jason is very slow, but at least he can kill

[gritty hemlock]

Everyone can kill though. Just some poeple have dumb or overly simple ways

[west cloak]

She’s not but her camping game is also awful

[gritty hemlock]

You also can't kill if your kit can be panicked dodge though

[west cloak]

Hers can lmao

Be panic dodged through

[gritty hemlock]

The only thing I think keeps her low is that horrendous down special. xD

[west cloak]

The van?

[gritty hemlock]

I mean, I have yet to see it but she def is a utility character.

Nooo, the one that creates a freeze effect/

[west cloak]

Oh that one

Yeah it does literally nothing

[gritty hemlock]

Looking at it like this. Jason is a tank and Velma is a mage. The fact they both are even in the runnings for each other is crazy.

[west cloak]

Velma is really only a few key buffs away from being an ok character

Whereas support characters (now they’re all mages because support isn’t a class now) like Steven and Gizmo got insane kill power to supplement their kit, Velma for nothing and was only nerfed

The fact that you can’t angle megaphone hurts her a lot

[gritty hemlock]

I'm just baffled that I still see people say she needs a nerf.

[west cloak]

Bro what

She has like a 0.6% pick rate lmao

No one plays her because everyone knows she’s bad

And not the fun kind of bad like Jason is

VoiD unironically said her best tool is the mystery machine lmao

That’s how you know she’s fallen so far

[gritty hemlock]

It might be a running gag then? But don't trust my instincts as again I don't care to learn her beyond what I do. And it honestly is, that and her up normal; but like, das legit everyone

[west cloak]

Maybe

But her, Jason, Jake, and Lebron all need buffs for next patch

[tulip plaza]

I feel like her kit in the beta was fine
I mean maybe with the bigger slower game the laser as is would be a bit much, but I think it was very useful that it put the target on people for the speech bubbles
they just kinda gutted her from the feel of it

[west cloak]

Those are like the definitive bottom 4 imo

[knotty sage]

velma was only nerfed bc since her addition in the beta she was really strong

[gritty hemlock]

I unno about Lebron. Most people I say play Lebron are just too eager and often don't respect speed.

[west cloak]

Honestly, just let her slightly angle megaphone, make her speech bubbles a bit larger, and give her more kill power on a few moves and then she’s fine

[west cloak]

What do you mean by this?

[gritty hemlock]

Jason is fun, has a kit that could've been made better if they stopped exaggerating the wind up, slimmed him down in general because it is disgusting and screams big dope as opposed to brutal brick house.

I mean people don't respect that not everyone is slower than them. Just impatient in general.

[west cloak]

Jason just needs a frame data buff and some hitbox adjustments really

And for armor break to not remove his rage

[knotty sage]

yeah i think his size is fine, he just needs buffs to hitboxes, frame data, and rage/armor

[west cloak]

Tbh I don’t think a character like Jason should be top tier

Then you just end up with like a MVS alpha Taz situation

Where everything just kills you

[gritty hemlock]

I mean, I'm def a fanatic for Jason. But not being bias, no character should have to be bad or perfectly safe.

Everyone should have a niche, an advantage, a weakness and a playstyle that you can work with in different ways.

[west cloak]

I agree to an extent

Some characters should be a bit more specialized

But I do agree every character should have a weakness

[gritty hemlock]

If you need bad characters then that is just more characters people won't pick / buy.

I agree with being unique 100%

[west cloak]

cough cough Wonder Woman

[gritty hemlock]

WW gets armor, can give armor (which doesn't make sense if we being even accurate by a hair's grace, fights like she's a blender of danger but has the ability to negate 100 of everything people do if people know how to time a 5 second window.

[west cloak]

I definitely think there’s an appeal of playing a low tier and beating higher tiered characters tho

[gritty hemlock]

Skill vs Meta

The reward is using your bad move for the funni on someone you condition to fall for it.

[west cloak]

Don’t forget that her down b armor is the only armor buff in the entire game where she takes no damage from being hit out of it

[gritty hemlock]

Hugo Andore beating Sagat is 100% a uphill figght you love seeing

[west cloak]

Yeah that’s basically what I mean

[gritty hemlock]

Like, I respect their approach but it don't fit .

[west cloak]

Low tier heroes are always fun to watch

[gritty hemlock]

But another thing, Jason is not some underdog you root for.

[knotty sage]

i blame WW's strength entirely on Nakat being on the dev team

[gritty hemlock]

He's a slasher you cheer on as they brutalize people.

[west cloak]

I think it’s pretty obvious that Jason is the Ganondorf of Multiversus

[knotty sage]

didnt he straight up admit to lying during testing to get her buffed?

[west cloak]

Insanely slow, very strong, bottom tier

[gritty hemlock]

Like, hgih damage, difficulty to kill, mild slowness, surprisingly fast attacks, and very very sustainable with priority target energyy.

[gritty hemlock]

that'ss crazyyyyyy

[west cloak]

I thought he claimed that he didn’t work on her

[gritty hemlock]

I am just offended knowing if they add Freddy, Jason gonna be the obsolete pick if they don't do him right.

[knotty sage]

would Freddy be a mage or assassin?

[gritty hemlock]

Be a hybrid but leaning hella on the assassin part.

[west cloak]

But considering how much he’s been playing Gizmo, I wouldn’t be surprised if he worked on Gizmo and made him a top tier

[west cloak]

Either assassin or bruiser

[gritty hemlock]

He's physically weak, relies on his dream powers, has to play things technically sound and is just as dominant as he is allowed.

[knotty sage]

i cant see him as a bruiser tbh

[west cloak]

Bruiser is such a broad category anyway

[gritty hemlock]

Bruiser legit just feels like an assassin to me or some reason

[west cloak]

Like how can you tell me that Shaggy and Black Adam are the same role

[gritty hemlock]

right.

[west cloak]

And Morty is somehow a bruiser too?

[knotty sage]

i wish bruiser was a more specialized role

[gritty hemlock]

that confuses me. their roles are janky.

[west cloak]

Like bruiser is just “we didn’t feel like classifying them”

[knotty sage]

"we dont know"

[west cloak]

“They hit people”

[knotty sage]

tank is kinda iffy too

[west cloak]

And assassin doesn’t really even work anymore either

[knotty sage]

it used to mean "heavy" but since they added steven its confusing

[west cloak]

In beta, assassin class all had insane kill power

Now none of them have kill power and instead just have good combo game

[knotty sage]

and there are a few bruisers who are just as fast as the assassins

[west cloak]

Taz

Taz is actually the fastest character on the ground

Batman is the fastest in the air

[knotty sage]

i thought thats exactly what assassin was, the fast combo guys with weak kill power

[gritty hemlock]

they shoulda just did future steven honestly.

[knotty sage]

AGREED

[west cloak]

Assassin in beta meant high kill power with vertical knockback priority

[gritty hemlock]

tey coulda threw in old steven, adult steven, teen steven, 'steven' but tall and all

[knotty sage]

his moveset would actually make sense if he was teen steven

[west cloak]

Harley, Stripe, Finn, and Arya all killed off the top in beta

[gritty hemlock]

But then that just leaves bruisers wanting buffs moreee

[gritty hemlock]

For real. Like, I get he has the ability bnack when he was younger and he sure as heck got good with it but HE WAS BETTER with it as a teen

[west cloak]

Batman is more of an assassin currently than a bruiser tbh

Fast, light, good combos, kills off the top

[knotty sage]

he didnt seem to have all the geometric stuff prior to being a teen

[knotty sage]

i think someone said that hes a bruiser bc of his "no kill" rule

[west cloak]

I think that’s true yeah

I do remember hearing that

[gritty hemlock]

IBy that logic, batman wouldn't be either.

throwing smeone out of a battle vs killing is different

[knotty sage]

no batman just beats you toward an inch of your life, he doesnt kill you

[gritty hemlock]

xD yeah, i'm saying both steven and batman have a no kill (or no shattering) rule

[west cloak]

I think the only things tying each class together now is weight

With the exception of Batman

[knotty sage]

nope, steven is a tank and (at least in beta) is the same weight as rick and bugs

[west cloak]

The tanks are all the heaviest, the assassins are all the lightest, and bruisers are in the middle

And then mage is just kinda “throws projectiles”

[knotty sage]

mages are all pretty light

[west cloak]

He’s a tank mage actually

[knotty sage]

no hes just a tank, the fact hes labeled as a mage is bc PFG could not care less about him

[west cloak]

The only one explicitly in two groups

In beta, he was labeled as “support”

[knotty sage]

hes labeled as only a tank on all of his skins besides default, and on the website hes labeled as a tank

he makes more sense as a tank anyway bc of all his shields and his bubble

[west cloak]

His shield is probably what makes him a tank

[knotty sage]

and his on demand armor, his healing

[ancient wraith]

so like

[west cloak]

But like the classes mean basically nothing for the most part

[ancient wraith]

is it common knowledge that jasons stomp goes through armor

[west cloak]

So much gray area

[knotty sage]

i think mage is the only one still intact

[west cloak]

Iirc every grounded down attack is an armor breaker universally, but for some reason they forgot to add the purple effect to Jason’s

[ancient wraith]

oh my actual god

[knotty sage]

bed is also armor break

[west cloak]

I would say that’s true if Morty was labeled as a mage but he’s not lmao

[ancient wraith]

well yeah but i assumed that was because multi hit

[west cloak]

That’s only because it’s multi hit

[knotty sage]

no the individual hits break armor

ive been hit by a bed while bubbled as steven and it went through

[ancient wraith]

it’s not mentioned in his move list either. jason is never defeating the unfinished character allegations

[knotty sage]

i mean morty only has like 2 projectiles and 1 goes on a CD after use and the other has like 2 ammo

[west cloak]

Jason’s bed is hilariously poorly coded tbh

[ancient wraith]

[west cloak]

That move seems to have randomly no knockback by far the most out of any move in MVS

[west cloak]

Dirt, grenades, blaster, snakes

He’s a mage

[ancient wraith]

i have so many clips of just jason being all around broken (in the bad way)

[knotty sage]

the blast and snakes are pretty muc the same move but i see your point

[west cloak]

Joker is considered a mage and has only cards and bazooka

[knotty sage]

jason was totally last minute and was only added bc of the Jason Universe thing

[west cloak]

Without bazooka, he’d basically be Batman

[ancient wraith]

like i don’t even know if im happy about finding out that jason’s stomp is an armor break. i just feel worse knowing they literally forgot to indicate it anywhere visually or not

[west cloak]

And Batman is a “bruiser”

[knotty sage]

i think they said somewhere they label characters based on vibes

[ancient wraith]

literally how do you release a character in this state and not have him fixed by now

[knotty sage]

joker as a character gives mage vibes but his moveset has 2 projectiles

[knotty sage]

we can only hope for the midseason patch to be full of jason buffs

[ancient wraith]

if it isnt i will scream i think

[west cloak]

I guarantee they likely didn’t intend for it to be, but they needed to push the game out immediately because of WB strict deadlines, so they just coded grounded down attack = armor breaker universally

Because that’s easier than going on a character by character basis

Like the game very clearly needed another 1-2 months in the oven

[knotty sage]

wait your right every down attack grounded breaks armor

[ancient wraith]

they could have at least just said that rule somewhere then 😭

[knotty sage]

how have i never noticed that

[ancient wraith]

this whole thing about purple attacks and they just. forgot

[knotty sage]

i dont think they forgot i think they just didnt have time to add it

[west cloak]

I think the only exception is Wonder Woman because I hate explicitly tied to her meter mechanic

But honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it did armor break

[knotty sage]

oh bugs pie too

[ancient wraith]

i feel like it’s something they could have added in one of the patches we’ve had. at the very least, in the move description

[west cloak]

You just never see WW go for it because nair exists and is 100x better in neutral

[west cloak]

And that’s another special case because it’s a projectile

[knotty sage]

well they seemingly were holding back a lot since the big midseason patch is being hyped enough for a discord event

midway through the season and not a single new character

[west cloak]

I think mid season is gonna bring back the rest of the beta features

[ancient wraith]

right but this feels like less of a balance patch and more of an actual like

fix

[west cloak]

That’s my prediction

[ancient wraith]

like i know jason’s hitboxes are all broken and everything but like

[west cloak]

So like v1.05 will be where the game should’ve launched at

[ancient wraith]

this is just straight an incorrect visual/description issue

[knotty sage]

why does jason's finger have its own hitbox for his nair special

[ancient wraith]

nothing to do with game balance

[west cloak]

It actually extends further than his hand lmao

[ancient wraith]

he needs it 💔

[west cloak]

Rip Jason

[knotty sage]

its so dang big its ridiculous

[west cloak]

I did unlock Uber Jason yesterday, so I’ll probably end up trying him out tomorrow since I didn’t get to play much today

[knotty sage]

i wonder what the "infinite tiers" will be

probably just gem xp

[west cloak]

I can tell you

[knotty sage]

or perk currency

[west cloak]

So far, it’s random

[knotty sage]

ah both

[west cloak]

I’ve only gotten 50 fighter currency or 50 perk currency

But I’ve also only gotten to tier like 73 or 74

Perk currency is the most common for sure

Probably no glemium

But there might be loot boxes for gem levels

[knotty sage]

oh they're willing to give fighter currency? i thought they had to kill someone every time they gave it out

[west cloak]

But I haven’t seen one yet

Lmao

Yeah they really need to give more out

[knotty sage]

no

SPEND YOUR MONEY

GIVE IT ALL TO US

NOW

[west cloak]

They already have us pay for skins

[knotty sage]

the challenges that you can only do if you buy a skin

[west cloak]

Just let us get the fighters for free with grinding or pay to skip the grind

[west cloak]

Bro those are the worst

Definitely a WB decision

[knotty sage]

oh btw did you have that summer bash event quest for making a jack in the box as joker just not work?

[west cloak]

I did, but I got it to work

You could also try aerial down b

Sometimes those work

[knotty sage]

ik what it means but whenever i try it doesnt count

[west cloak]

Like putting people in Jason’s sleeping bag can also be completed by landing aerial down b

[knotty sage]

have i actually just had to hit dair special this whole time

[west cloak]

Probably

[knotty sage]

i thought his jack in the box was like a special input?

[west cloak]

I did it in rifts

[west cloak]

It’s just down b and then press a

[knotty sage]

thats what i meant

since it requires multiple inputs

[west cloak]

When Joker holds out the curtain, A = Jack in the box, B = cannon

[knotty sage]

ik

are you kidding me

[west cloak]

But I hit with the move and also used aerial down b too, so idk what counted for sure

[knotty sage]

it was just do dair special

[west cloak]

Did you get it?

[knotty sage]

my favorite quest is the one that requires you to buy the arya beach skin

[knotty sage]

ye

[west cloak]

Yeah no thanks I’m not spending $18 on an Arya skin when I don’t play her or have her unlocked

[knotty sage]

you literally have to spend $20 for a single challenge

[knotty sage]

i can buy her like 6 times i just genuinely dont care enough to buy her

[west cloak]

You have that much glemium?

I think I only have 1600

[knotty sage]

17.3k fighter currency
1.55k gleamium

i only had joker to unlock since i played beta

[west cloak]

I’m still missing 9 characters I never bought from beta

[knotty sage]

which ones?

oh my god they're greedy enough to do skin recolors

theres a 4th of july harley beach bash reskin

oh and a 4th superman summer recolor

[west cloak]

I don’t have the game up, but from memory it’s Arya, Jake, Marvin, Morty, Harley, Steven, Finn, Velma, Reindog, Gizmo, Black Adam

So actually 11 I think

[knotty sage]

damn

[west cloak]

I might have Morty I don’t remember

But I don’t think I do

[knotty sage]

i have no idea what im doing on most of the cast

[west cloak]

I could’ve swore I had Velma, but I guess I don’t the last time I checked

[knotty sage]

im just decent at jason and steven

and played a lot of BG at one point

[west cloak]

I know how to play a handful or characters

[knotty sage]

i only play my mains so its easier to do the power pledge events lol

[west cloak]

Shaggy, Batman, Jason, Joker, Superman, Iron Giant, Wonder Woman, Banana Guard, Taz, and maybe a few more

[knotty sage]

bc everyone else is such a low level otherwise

[west cloak]

Garnet too I guess

[west cloak]

I hate those

They actively discourage playing the game

They need to go

[knotty sage]

dont they do the opposite? power pledge is the "level characters" event

[west cloak]

Like they’re ok now while the game is newer

[west cloak]

No because when there’s no power pledge, you feel like every level you gain is wasted because it makes power pledge that much harder to complete

And the whole event only lasts for a weekend

[knotty sage]

when are we gonna be able to unlock agent smith

[west cloak]

I think not next week but the week after?

[knotty sage]

why are they locking experienced difficulty for rifts 4 and 5

and insanity for 1-3

[west cloak]

Either for the for rift 6 or 7

[west cloak]

Yeah it’s dumb

[knotty sage]

there is not rift 6 and 7

[west cloak]

I mean when they release them

[knotty sage]

its just 1-5 im p sure they said that

[west cloak]

They said there’s gonna be 8 throughout the whole season

So we got 3 more to release by end of July

[knotty sage]

ah so they can delay agent smith more

[west cloak]

Of course

By Rift 7, we will definitely be able to theoretically unlock Agent Smith

[knotty sage]

if you dont want to give us a free character then dont offer us a free character

[west cloak]

Each rift adds 3 difficulties so far

[west cloak]

I think it’s because he’s literally unfinished

There was some gameplay of him floating around, but tbh he looked kinda lacking

[knotty sage]

i dont even care ive never even seen the matrix but like dont tease the people who are excited

[west cloak]

Yeah I know

People were like “agent smith 2 weeks early? Let’s go”

And then realized that they had to wait literally the entire season 1 lmao

Because he still has no official release window

[knotty sage]

its funny how we're nearly halfway through the "Season of Villains" and we havent even gotten all of the confirmed characters

[rugged cradle]

What's the point of classes if characters like Wonder Woman can out speed, out zone, out sustain, and our damage, any other class in the game.

[west cloak]

Oh yeah but you can only unlock him if you have all gems up to level 9 and have completed loony mode

[knotty sage]

nope looney is locked until a certain date

[west cloak]

At least not until they add the 7th rift

[rugged cradle]

Jesus, her lateral aerial is nuts.

[west cloak]

The 6th rift is coming on July 10th iirc

Which is when Loony mode is available

[tiny cave]

if they fix that jason automatically becomes a much better character

[west cloak]

So you either need to wait another week or have all gems to level 9

[rugged cradle]

I think that classes in this game lost their meaning.

[tiny cave]

wym

[sour bone]

it’s both iirc

[knotty sage]

they were fun but now theres no real consistency with whose in each class anymore

[rugged cradle]

Yeah, Classes are meant to separate characters one of another creating a specific playstyles around that class.

[west cloak]

Isn’t there 3 difficulties per rift?

Excluding loony

[sour bone]

yea?

[tiny cave]

for some reason last 2 rifts doesnt have experimental difficulty

[knotty sage]

bruisers with movement that assassins have, tanks with the weight of mages, tanks with the framedata of assassins

[sour bone]

terrible addition btw

[west cloak]

Well, we get Agent Smith at 20, so with 7 rifts, that’s 21

Assuming 3 per rift without loony

[rugged cradle]

Jason feels more like a bruiser than a tank, a very light, slow and big bruiser.

[west cloak]

Yeah I know and I hope they fix that

It’s probably intentional

Unfortunately

[sour bone]

even then that’s not enough to get all the stuff from his event

[west cloak]

But like it’s literally only damage numbers

[tiny cave]

ye

btw

[west cloak]

The AI gets a bit smarter and the damage numbers go up

[tiny cave]

i have a question

if the season ends, the gems reset?

the rifts gems

[west cloak]

I sure hope not

[sour bone]

i doubt it

[west cloak]

If they do, then what’s the point of rifts anyway?

[sour bone]

seems like a giant jerk move

[rugged cradle]

Like, Morty is a bruiser but his game style is all around projectiles and using resources correctly, same Marvin.

[west cloak]

People can spend real money on gem levels

[sour bone]

marvin’s an assassin

not bruiser

[west cloak]

They’d get a lot of backlash resetting gems back to level 1

[west cloak]

And he should be a mage

[rugged cradle]

Rifts rewards sucks.

[west cloak]

Like he has more projectiles than literally anyone else and he’s somehow not a mage lmao

[sour bone]

you get like 0 gem xp from rifts on its own

it’s been a month of multiversus and i only have level 4 gems, and i’ve been playing every day

[west cloak]

Literally the only point of rifts is the like 10 fighter currency and battle pass xp

[tiny cave]

how

i have 6 on each kind of rift

except horror

bc theres only one

[west cloak]

I reached 7 on purple for one of them

Rest are either 3 or 4 for red and green

[tiny cave]

i have all 7 on tech

and 6 on chaos

and 3 on horror

[rugged cradle]

Also his frame data is to far from being an assasin, his lag after using movements is to high, the combos or Marvin are donde by purely zoning all the area. Which is something a mage does.

[tiny cave]

btw theres daily rewards for rifts

[west cloak]

I’ve had a few be for things that are literally inaccessible because I didn’t have certain skins lmao

[sour bone]

gimme the secrets ong

[tiny cave]

X2

[rugged cradle]

The daily rewards should be for playing nodes you like, no nodes you already played.

[west cloak]

Like bravo whoever at WB has the bright idea of monetizing and paywalling single player content in a multiplayer game

[tiny cave]

maybe ur right but since the daily missions says win 3 pve matches so i just do the daily ones

[halcyon badger]

After days of playing it’s just: Supes who dodge spam after missing every armor breaking move, ww who mash neutral, joker sair, morty dirt, bugs nair

Might put the game down till patch lol

[stable matrix]

As a Velma main this is true I’ve never lost to a Jason as her

[tiny cave]

there should be attack decay or something

every single match i go

its just spammers

either a shaggy main who just spam the kick

banana guard

[stable matrix]

People always are saying there should be attack decay when there already is

[tiny cave]

unnoticeable

[stable matrix]

It’s decent

[tiny cave]

i think they still be some punishent for spammers

[west cloak]

It’s not attack decay

It’s Smash stale moves

[tiny cave]

bro i hate shaggys so much

[west cloak]

And it’s definitely worse than attack decay which is why it’s taking so long to remove infinites and loops

[tiny cave]

and as jason is unplayable and impossible

to counter a spammer

[west cloak]

Me: a Shaggy main…

Spamming kick is bad tho as Shaggy

My pro tip to counter people who just spam kick is to jump over him and dair his head

[halcyon badger]

Cause it’s bad

[tiny cave]

the only way i could counter the kick was with jason's rage mode

cuz holy

[halcyon badger]

Doesn’t the kick break thru rage?

[west cloak]

Rage loses to Shaggy rage kick

[tiny cave]

no

[halcyon badger]

Unless it’s not fully powered kick

[west cloak]

If you don’t fully charge then yeah

But if you do fully charge, no

[tiny cave]

the kick doesnt break jason's rage (transformation doesnt count)

[west cloak]

Shaggy kick does I think 18% with max damage boosting perks

But yeah to counter Shaggy kick spammers, jump over their kick and punish with dair

It has a decent amount of whiff lag

[tiny cave]

still way too annoying

[halcyon badger]

Can also parry it

Kinda risky

[west cloak]

With online lag, that’s not worth imo

[tiny cave]

idk how to do that

way too hard

[halcyon badger]

it’s pretty much just neutral dodge

Right before their attack lands

[tiny cave]

yeah but thats hard

[halcyon badger]

Yeah it’s hard online

Lol

[west cloak]

The timing is too strict for online

Offline sure

Online is only go for parries if you’re getting mashed on by aerials

And you parry out of their non-true combo

[tiny cave]

im just bad doing parrys

[west cloak]

Jason gets a lot off of parry

Near the blast zones, basically anything kills

Finn was late on trying to ladder into backpack? Parry into up special and he explodes off the top

[tiny cave]

if jason hitbox wasnt so bad made

he would for sure be kinda op

[halcyon badger]

Monday will be a great day

[west cloak]

Nah even with better hitboxes, Jason would still be a low tier

He’s just too slow

Frame data wise and movement wise

[halcyon badger]

Low tier?

Damn I was thinking maybe B

[west cloak]

Nah Jason sucks

He desperately needs buffs

[halcyon badger]

😭

[west cloak]

He’s had a bottom 2 win rate for the entirely of MVS relaunch

[halcyon badger]

I feel I’ve been doing well with him lately

Where do you see stats for that?

[west cloak]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/insights?mode=2

Oh look, he’s out of bottom 2

Lebron is worse now

For the first 2 weeks, Jason had the lowest win rate at like 37%

[halcyon badger]

I’m assuming bugs is low not cause he sucks but because new players pick him up lol

[west cloak]

Now, it is important to note that low win rate doesn’t always mean character is bad

High pick rate characters tend to have lower win rates because more bad players play them

[halcyon badger]

Poor jake they massacred my boy

[west cloak]

Low pick rate characters do better because only the good players still play them

That’s why Velma doesn’t have the lowest 1v1 win rate

[halcyon badger]

Yeah I think I’ve played like 2 legit bugs players

[west cloak]

Even tho everyone unanimously agrees she’s the worst 1v1 character

[halcyon badger]

One was literally parrying everything and doing setups on me

[west cloak]

Bugs players who hit you with the nair infinite into uair and then camp with pie, rocket, and safe are really annoying

Jason has no real answer

[halcyon badger]

He has no answer for anyone camping

[west cloak]

Correct

Jason’s slow everything is what makes him a bottom tier

[halcyon badger]

Had a set against a black Adam was up 2-0 and last set he decides to ledge camp and ended up winning the match

[west cloak]

Jake is only lower than Jason because Jake literally cannot kill

[halcyon badger]

I’ve been using the dodge jump nair tech tho it catches ppl off guard

[west cloak]

People live fully charged sair at 150

It’s really sad

Sair is his stretchy arms btw

Skateboard doesn’t combo into itself until like 80

And his combo game is nonexistent

He can do like jab into bite

Or skateboard into bite

[halcyon badger]

Yeah I tried him and was wondering wdf is his kill move

Closest thing is charged up up tilt

[west cloak]

His uair 2 can kill

But you can’t use it raw

It’s really awkward to land

[west cloak]

The sweetspot is decently strong

And those are his only two kill moves

Literally nothing else kills until like 200

Jake also needs help

[halcyon badger]

#clips message

Wonder if they’ll ever make these channels official so we can pin important stuff

[median geyser]

Not only that but he's one of the worst hitboxes in the game

I'd say he both need faster frames with better hitboxes

[chrome sluice]

uncle spam makes him look crazy 😭

command grabs all day

[median geyser]

Yes I learned some tips from him & he was using Monstrous Sidestep as well

[ancient wraith]

just looked up his channel

im so glad to finally see more monstrous sidestep believers

[icy raptor]

rate the Jason clip fellas 🙏 #clips message

[knotty sage]

niiice

[minor radish]

i need to learn dodge jumping

[elder vector]

Absolutely love Jason, addicted to playing him for a long time!

I would like to know from the Jasonheads around if you all have any opinions on how can I utilize Neutral Air better depending of the position, I whiff with it a lot and I'd like to know any good routes I can use with it!

[scenic lagoon]

I feel like nair is really good for catching dodges into you, causes them to panic as well and catches more dodges than down air can

Of course after nair some characters just... Dodge into you again

[elder vector]

Yeah usually when i jab 1 > jab 2 > down tilt > jump and wait a bit > neutral air is where i feel it's most effective

since people tend to dodge a lot after down tilt

[scenic lagoon]

Yea, thought after the down tilt it depends on their di

If they're drifting away, I either don't chase or I dodge after them and up special

If they stay in the spot where you downtilted, I either read them dodging behind me and I get an up special or they stay in place for the parry and you just delay a tiny bit

[elder vector]

That seems like the best case yeah, doing all of that and putting more pressure after Up Special gives a lot more opportunities, I dig it

Thank you for the tip!

[scenic lagoon]

No problem, have any MU specific questions?

[elder vector]

Uuuh not at the moment but I'll hit you up if I have one!

[scenic lagoon]

If you ever wanna play, dm me

[halcyon badger]

I didn’t even know about dodge attacking or dodge jumping lol

I was playing Jason Raw

[rugged cradle]

What's the difference?

[west cloak]

Well for starters, your hitstun isn’t nearly completely negated after landing the same move 3 times within 7 moves

Which is what happened with attack decay in beta

That change alone made so many infinites possible

But what happens now is that your damage, knockback, and hitstun are reduced on what seems like an exponential scale

The issue with this is that combo moves that are incredibly stale end up leading to infinites

For example: Bugs nair can infinite if it’s fully stale because the hitstun reduction isn’t enough to stop it from looping into itself but the knockback reduction is so much that he can nearly indefinitely chain it into itself regardless of your DI

This didn’t happen in the beta because after your third time looping someone with the same move, the hitstun would be drastically reduced to the point where almost every move is negative on hit and you get punished

The difference is that there was no damage or knockback reduction, so you still took full damage and knockback

But being able to act out of hitstun sooner meant you could cancel your knockback by jumping, dodging, or using a special

Iron Giant was removed after week 1 because he had so many infinites that all led from chaining the same moves into one another. This wouldn’t have happened with beta attack decay because you could just hit him if he tries a third loop

(Granted some of them like his grab into up b off the side wouldn’t have been affected since that’s only one of each move)

I know this was long, but I hope this is enough to clarify why they’re so different

[timber cedar]

attack decay is like a necessary evil for multiversus

like it’s needed to prevent so much dumb stuff like infinites or braindead morons just spamming the same move

[tulip plaza]

it needs to exist, even if it doesn't yell at you like it did before altho it was funny when it yelled at you

[west cloak]

Yeah attack decay not being in the game is pretty bad imo

If anything, they should at least implement a like 60f timer that starts after you exit hitstun where successive moves are counted towards attack decay and after 3 moves it kicks in

That would at least allow your combo starters to still work while stale but not allow people to get extended combos by looping more than twice

If you don’t hit any moves within 60 frames after hitstun ends, then attack decay resets

That would be the ideal way to incorporate it without completely scrapping the stale move system they have now

[acoustic crypt]

this is smart

[spare basin]

Jasons moonwalk emote would be so abusable and fun if he were fun to play and not slower than a slug in molasses

This game is so slow now that Batman feels slow and Jason is slow even for this games standards

[west cloak]

PFG should hire me

[scenic lagoon]

It's how you use him that makes him fun

[west cloak]

Not really because game devs are usually overworked so no thanks

[scenic lagoon]

Also Batman def doesn't feel slow

[spare basin]

Nah I just don't like having lots of startup on all my attacks

I don't like how he feels rn

Just feels sloppy

[scenic lagoon]

He's a heavy

He'll always have the issue

[spare basin]

Superman is fast and he's a heavy

[scenic lagoon]

Some people enjoy all the raw power

[spare basin]

Black Adam is fast and he's a heavy

[scenic lagoon]

He's more of a standard issue heavy

Think Ganondorf

[spare basin]

I personally just think they should lower Jasons kill strength a little and buff his speed a little to make him a tad bit more 1s viable

[scenic lagoon]

Just nerf the op characters

And he's perfectly viable

[spare basin]

Fair enough

[scenic lagoon]

I'd enjoy a small buff

But I don't think he needs it in general terms of how the game plays

Fight a Jason with kill confirms, that's scary

Fight a Jason that knows your dodges, you will never trust yourself again

#clips message

This is just too funny

[stable matrix]

Jason’s if someone gets stuck inside you I know it’s frustrating but PLEASE just jump off and lose. Us Velma’s don’t control it and there’s no way to get us out. There’s no need to hold people hostage for 7 minutes

[scenic lagoon]

I think you just fought one Jason

Who was really stubborn

This isn't a Jason specific problem

[stable matrix]

No as a Velma main this happens every time

I’ve gotten stuck in like 15 Jason’s and maybe 4 have jumped off the side

[scenic lagoon]

Do you have a clip?

[stable matrix]

Meanwhile I’ve gotten stuck in 4 black Adam’s and all of them jump off

[stable matrix]

No but idk what good that would do

[scenic lagoon]

I don't know how it even happens

[queen juniper]

Just don’t play Velma then 🗿

[scenic lagoon]

I've had one person get stuck and it wasn't even a Velma

[stable matrix]

You’re just fighting and sometimes smaller characters fuse to a larger character

I think it’s especially common with Velmas and Jason’s bc Velma is tiny and her foward air is close to her hitbox, and it usually happens with that move.

But it can happen to others

[scenic lagoon]

I've gotten stuck in a Superman as Jason

[stable matrix]

That’s kinda funny lol

[scenic lagoon]

I could only get out cause 2s

And their teammate hit me out

But it was still really weird

I don't think people are doing it on purpose

[stable matrix]

yeah I don’t think anyone really knows how to do it

[neon spire]

#clips message
At this point I'm convinced that PFG are related to Jason's "victims" and are keeping him down on purpose.

[flint tide]

I think if you just nerfed the top tiers and fixed weird hitbox inconsistencies jason would be fine

Sleeping bag deserves to be reworked entirely though

Genuinely useless move

[scenic lagoon]

Jab 1 into bag is true when they're close enough

[flint tide]

Yeah but why would you do that

[scenic lagoon]

Puts them off stage then and you really don't want to be off stage vs Jason at any %

Or you know

[flint tide]

Could just do 3 jabs into throw

[scenic lagoon]

You could exploit together with Marvin

[flint tide]

Yeah there are like

[scenic lagoon]

Yea but bag is funnier

[flint tide]

Niche setups in 2v2s and specific stages

True

[scenic lagoon]

Bag into bubble is very funny

But will also get patched 100%

[west cloak]

This is a universal issue

Unlike Smash where shield/parry has its own separate bubble around the character, MVS doesn’t have that, so the attack needs to directly connect with the character model

There are a few characters that just can’t parry projectiles because they shift their hurtbox too much during parry to the point where that same situation happens

Unfortunately Jason is one of them

Because of course he is

[thorn wing]

superman is* fast at the cost of extreme dodge meter usage though tbf. When he's just walking or flying around he's not really that oppressive

oh mb u meant attack-wise

yeah let jason be busted plz

[unique pewter]

The thing that's always scary with a good Superman is how late they activate things so like a noob supes will fly at you from far away and you can dodge the kill move, but a good one will hit confirm into fly moves at point blank range and suddenly he's throwing you off the side and you're like "whuu... I didn't even see him fly!" lol

[minor radish]

if a superman is flying at me and my machete is coming into his face, the superman has no right to out priority me

[knotty sage]

yes but you see superman is good and the hero and jason is bad and the villain

[thorn wing]

Flying into someone from 2 miles away is one of the small pleasures of playing superman

[unique pewter]

I tried playing him (supes) a little... he was fun but I'm not nearly as naturally good with him as I am with other characters sadly... maybe with some practice

[tulip plaza]

tom and jerry are so fun to fight as jason c:

#clips message

[halcyon badger]

“Attack decay”

[tulip plaza]

my favorite part was the multiple times where it said "dodged" but I stil got hit

[languid harbor]

My favourite. No matter what character I play the game says I dodged when I still get hit. Happens most commonly with multihit moves

[honest yoke]

I just hope we get better hitboxes next patch

Don't need anything else

Idk why the game thinks Jason's fist is larger than his machete

[idle wolf]

I didn't know this existed

[median geyser]

Most of Jason's hitboxes are just the worse... like his attacks man

His sair, uair & dair attacks hitboxes are so bad

[timber cedar]

do casuals still think Jason is op? Because I just watched a tank ranking poll and Jason was winning by 20%

[median geyser]

Ayo Uncle Spamuel...

[median geyser]

Most of the people I think don't know matchup vs Jason

At the other day, I was cooked by Morty

[timber cedar]

but like the matchup is infinitely easier to learn than WW

[median geyser]

Exactly

The thing is I lacked the ability to like move around more effectively & idrk what to do

That's why I kept losing & losing...

Felt frustrated & didn't play the game that much despite how much I love Jason

[idle wolf]

What's gooood my bruddah

I'm tryna see if y'all got some secret sauce up in here

[median geyser]

Mad respect for you trying to cook people with Jason

I started using Monstrous Sidestep coz of you:D

& the nair grabs are disgusting, you're good with that too

[idle wolf]

Hahaha yea bro I figured out Jason has good match ups against some of the higher tier characters like Bugs Bunny

[idle wolf]

It's a very good perk if you understand how Mist Step works

[median geyser]

The only I think I kinda lack is movement but idk if you can make movement guide for Jason

[median geyser]

That's why I kinda said before that it's more of a skilled perk to be used & you definitely needed knowledge for that

[flint tide]

monstrous sidestep is goated

[idle wolf]

You know what I think i'll do that next

[median geyser]

Really?

[idle wolf]

I was gonna make a command grab guide lol

[median geyser]

Oh...

You can do both but I think the movement is more important

[idle wolf]

Yessirrr a fellow believer

[median geyser]

Coz I lack movement & become punching bag most of the time