I have zero ideas on what to do with his signature perks
#Jason
tulip plaza
there is wording I remember from the early access that I dunno if I read wrong or it got removed, but I remember resurrectionist working on both you AND your teammate, not you OR your teammate
of course who knows if it would be too much
timber cedar
maybe resurrectionist could give you like 15 hp in gray health
because half the time the perk goes active you die again instantly
or people just run
tulip plaza
they should probably also make it not kill you earlier then you usually would die
timber cedar
they should probably also make it not kill you earlier then you usually would di...
isn’t it when you touch the void rn and not when you actually die?
tulip plaza
it feels way earlier then that, its hard to tell considering they pushed the void out so far
like I've had jasons feet barely go off the bottom of the screen on townsville before it teleports me back to stage
tulip plaza
they really need to push the screen out then so I can actually see the void before I touch it
timber cedar
yea so if any part of your hitbox touches the void the perk pops
tulip plaza
and since jasons hurtboxes are so massive-
tulip plaza
but yeah, I actually miss being able to see the void almost all the time, it was really cool to me in the beta
timber cedar
amazing
but for sidestep maybe make it so you can control if you do a normal teleport or teleport to your opponent
that way you get to keep some combos with it
and maybe put teleporting to the enemy on a short cooldown
tulip plaza
maybe it would be hard to really do properly in play, but I feel like sidestep could be a charge perhaps?
like if you do it real quick its the sidestep but if you charge it you go a little further then usual and its the normal version
so it can be kinda a buff to the mist step but just barely
hard to say for sure
timber cedar
that could work
but maybe have the normal teleport be the uncharged version for combos and stuff
tulip plaza
true true
I want to think of new perk ideas but I dunno what you'd do
I can't think of any movie references since I've never seen em pft
timber cedar
alright so what I got
Resurrectionist- +Change it to where it only pops when you actually die instead of when you touch the void.
+Buff the duration from 5 to 6 seconds
+Make it give Jason 15 gray health when active
-Make it only work for Jason and not his allies
this way it feels more like a brief second chance for Jason
tulip plaza
for a split second I considered a perk that gives mist step a hitbox going in and out, but then thats two mist step perks, and maybe not necessary
timber cedar
the allies thing is so Jason doesn’t randomly get 15 gray hp and ruining combos you may of had on him
tulip plaza
fair enough
not that jason needs to be combo'd easier
altho imagine the insane tech of sd'ing to save your jason teammate lol
timber cedar
that could be funny
but would probably make people pissed if they die because their teammate killed an enemy
for sidestep just giving people the option to choose between normal teleport and sidestep would be enough
and the charged change you suggested would probably would best
since you could punish Jason while he’s charging it
maybe the charge time would be like 0.65s
tulip plaza
of course I have mist step get interrupted so often so you already get punished for using it as anything but a combo tool
maybe as a general buff he gets armor while going in, but then the perk removes it in favor of the charge
see I say these things but then I don't know if they're too much lol
even if jason does deserve to be busted so he can finally fight WW lol
tulip plaza
see now that I think on it, the mist step getting armor going in is probably perfectly fine consider how many armored moves the game already has
timber cedar
for the passive just make it so allied gray health works for the passive but it’s halfed if it’s above 5 gray health
the halfed thing could be removed honestly
maybe it damages Jason for the amount of gray health he gains from allies like his n-special rn
Monstrous Sidestep-
This perk grants you the ability to charge Jason's teleport with not being fully charged being the Jasons’s normal teleport right now and fully charged teleporting Jason to a target of his choosing (There would be a little aim icon on the person your teleporting to and you can change the target while you charge) The targets you can choose would be your teammate or any enemies on screen. This perk would also grant a hitbox when Jason comes out of the teleport when fully charged.
theres my suggested change for sidestep
untold talon
Guys what am I supposed to do when in the air with Jason. He is so slow and once I'm in the air at a high percentage I always die.
median geyser
Guys what am I supposed to do when in the air with Jason. He is so slow and once...
His uair are pretty garbage from what I seen
untold talon
His uair are pretty garbage from what I seen
I mean like whenever I get hit offstage how do I recover because I always end up trading hits and getting knocked back out again and again.
median geyser
I mean like whenever I get hit offstage how do I recover because I always end up...
Dodge or Mist
untold talon
Dodge or Mist
Mist is the easiest thing for good players to read and I have to use up all my jumps and dodges most of the time to just barely hit the side of the stage cuz he's so slow.
I could try monstrous sidestep though
median geyser
Mist is the easiest thing for good players to read and I have to use up all my j...
True...
Like Jason's slow movement is the reason why he's mostly sluggish but I can never understand why he's so slow
Like are they expecting us to use Rage more often? But Rage isn't even good either
untold talon
Like are they expecting us to use Rage more often? But Rage isn't even good eith...
The fact that rage damages yourself is kinda annoying as well. The grey health helps Jason to approach but if you miss (which is easy because his hit boxes are terrible) then you get punished.
median geyser
The fact that rage damages yourself is kinda annoying as well. The grey health h...
Exactly, it isn't a good tradeoff
WW also has no tradeoffs btw & I've no idea why
But I get it only gives her armor but it's still safe to use
untold talon
Yea WW is insanely strong
median geyser
Yea WW is insanely strong
She's everything that's far superior than Jason
untold talon
She has zero drawbacks and her attacks are incredibly safe to throw out
median geyser
Also I've been wondering, why does Jason have no armor?
median geyser
She has zero drawbacks and her attacks are incredibly safe to throw out
Right...
He's the only Tank that has no armor
Which is ridiculous
& he's slow af like wth man?
untold talon
Also I've been wondering, why does Jason have no armor?
I don't know but it would fit his role and character
median geyser
I don't know but it would fit his role and character
It definitely fits for the role of being an Undead Slow Tank
He's slow, that's the problem but atleast gives him armor? Like c'mon
untold talon
Is Jason the slowest character?
median geyser
Why do every Tanks have them but not him?
median geyser
Is Jason the slowest character?
Second Slowest
untold talon
Who is slower
median geyser
You obv know who's the slowest
median geyser
Who is slower
IG says hello to your face
median geyser
His sleeping bag is also the worse version of IG's grab btw
untold talon
His sleeping bag takes forever to throw out and if he misses he basically just sits there
median geyser
IG's grab did better than that
Coz...
1/ It's armor...
2/ It can be cancelled into combos
Jason's bag you can't cancel & do anything other than slamming & throwing away
Making it useless in 1s
untold talon
And the time the enemy is in the sleep bag is so small
median geyser
And the time the enemy is in the sleep bag is so small
True...
Well unless they break it fast then yeah
untold talon
There is hardly a point of playing him compared to the rest of the cast
median geyser
His uair double pokes also need some work, coz it's fairly trash... the hitboxes are too underwhelming
untold talon
If you want killing power just use BG
median geyser
His uair special is also rewarding but trash & can be whiff easily
untold talon
His uair double pokes also need some work, coz it's fairly trash... the hitboxes...
Bro I swear the hitbox on uair sucks
untold talon
True
median geyser
His uair special is very rewarding but can be dodged so easily
& his uair pokes have sucker hitboxes but more faster attacks
& his bed is also bugged
median geyser
His bed while using Rage doesn't sometimes launch the people you're hitting in the air, it makes them stuck & stay on the ground
median grove
The edge guarding is good and there's a really nasty kill confirm you can do with air walker. That's already more than what LeFraud can do rn
untold talon
His bed while using Rage doesn't sometimes launch the people you're hitting in t...
Wow
untold talon
Side attack has terrible hitboxes
median geyser
Side attack has terrible hitboxes
Yes
untold talon
Almost all his attacks suck
median geyser
Almost all his attacks suck
Absolutely...
But PFG seems to not give a damn about it
Like Jason barely received any buffs recently
IG is even way better than him
Coz he's fully cooked now
untold talon
Exactly and how does WW get like the smallest nerfs
median geyser
Exactly and how does WW get like the smallest nerfs
They don't play the game well... imo
They did actually say that they're aware of WW's state
So they're planning to nerf her
untold talon
Yeah but it is taking a very long time.
untold talon
There are so many problems they have that it's just too much for them rn
median geyser
One of the most popular horror icon to be treated like this is very unacceptable
median geyser
He's the first horror icon to be making it into the game & after almost a decade of absence from other medias
Like c'mon...
median geyser
I'm hoping Freddy to come next btw...
Since horror icons are possible for Multiversus now
untold talon
Freddy would be cool
median geyser
We need FvJ vibe
He would be an Assassin type... but he's really good moves potentials...
& I think this Season is a Villains season
So I'm hoping him to come
untold talon
I mean if that matrix dude can come then so should he
Since I feel like Freddy would be a lot more recognisable
median geyser
Not really sure but Freddy also has absence in 8 years from other media
His last appearance is from DBD in 2016
That's 8 years of absence now
median geyser
Since I feel like Freddy would be a lot more recognisable
Him & Jason have been ded for years now
untold talon
I mean there's always a chance
untold talon
Hopefully
median geyser
Rn I'm playing to grind battlepasses for Jason
median geyser
Yeah
untold talon
I hope I'll be able to get it
median geyser
We still have a month
& I'm on 41
So yeah...
Weekly Challenges, Daily Challenges, get all of them done
untold talon
I'm at 48 I think but the joker weekly challenges are so annoying
Like bro not everyone has enough credits to get joker
median geyser
We need xps...
untold talon
And weekly gives so much xp
median geyser
I've enough though... we can use characters currency
untold talon
I'm thankful they buffed the xp per game though
Yeah I don't have enough character currency
I wish I did
median geyser
Yeah
tulip plaza
lets goooooo
I'm well on my way to uber jason, currently I'm like 300 points away from taz she-devil so I'm on that last page
west cloak
The moonwalk is definitely funny
Hitting someone with the most disgusting read into moonwalk is so toxic and it’s hilarious
west cloak
Not yet
You need Uber Jason
I don’t have him yet, but his win screen is easily the best in the game
tropic eagle
If i finish the battle pass and the character level event, i'll have 1500 Gleam. (not counting the next events, maybe some Gleam rewards there)
That means 550 Gleam that i'm free to spend because the battle pass is 950.
It's 950, right?
west cloak
Oh I see. To buy the next one in season 2 you mean
tropic eagle
Yeah, yeah.
west cloak
There’s like another 300 glemium at the end or something
tropic eagle
I'm at 900 right now. 200 at 59 and 300 at 69.
Plus 100 more if i finish the Power Pledge.
west cloak
I really don’t like the power pledge
It encourages not playing the game to level up characters until the next one
tropic eagle
I like it, but it sucks when you have characters only at level 3/4 and above.
It makes it hard to level characters..
west cloak
Just wait for when you have most characters at like level 10+ and they have another one down the road
tropic eagle
That.. yeah that will suck even more.
tropic eagle
Oh god, i just realized i only have FOUR characters at level 0.
Morty, Arya, Batman and Reindog.
Oh, and Velma.
west cloak
I have a bit more at level 0 because I specifically didn’t level up any characters until the event started so I could get like a free 5 levels
tropic eagle
I had to PAINFULLY grind Jake, Steven and T&J to level 5 for the FC so i could buy Joker.
tropic eagle
It's way too hard to get, and the characters are really expensive for how much you get.
ESPECIALLY making Joker 6000. That was evil.
west cloak
I’ve put in over 100 hours in the full release and have only had enough to unlock Joker, Rick, and I can unlock one more that I haven’t yet
tropic eagle
I unlocked Superman, Rick, Iron Giant (who i ALREADY HAD IN BETA) and Joker.
God damn grueling.
And i'm at 102 hours.
west cloak
It doesn’t help that you need to get 5 characters to level 14 just to get enough currency for one character
Or 10 characters to get Joker
west cloak
Morty is broken
tropic eagle
Really? I thought he was mid tier at best.
west cloak
He’s so good and people who put him any lower than A tier are lying
west cloak
Really? I thought he was mid tier at best.
His combo game is insane and dirt always combos into literally anything in his kit. Grenade explosion kills at like 60, his hitboxes are pretty big, projectiles are easily spammable, and he’s really small making him hart to hit
Like he gets combos like dirt -> sair 1,2 -> jab 1,2,3
And if there’s a wall, he gets even more
tropic eagle
He looks like he has beta-level speed when i see the pros playing him.
west cloak
He basically does
There’s a few characters who have like beta levels of speed. Morty, Batman, and Taz
Morty is just more difficult to play
The more difficult characters are always seem as “low tier” or “mid tier” until people get better with them and then they become high or top tiers
timber cedar
Morty just requires more effort to get value out of and people who say he’s bad probably don’t even know how the character works
tropic eagle
I prefer the harder characters to be honest.
Although Jason, Superman and Iron Giant aren't helping my case.
west cloak
Morty has the 5th highest win rate rn
tropic eagle
Who's the highest? WW? Shaggy?
west cloak
With a 5% pick rate
tropic eagle
WHAT
timber cedar
makes sense
he’s got a lot of cheese that can demolish you if you don’t play around it
honest yoke
Morty is a top tier fr he's just so underplayed and difficult that it took people a while to realize
honest yoke
He definitely was for a while at least
west cloak
Last week yeah, but his pick rate has jumped up a lot
honest yoke
He has so many disgustingly good moves it's surprising that people thought he was bad at first
timber cedar
some YouTuber must of said he was meta or something
west cloak
VoiD probably has the biggest voice outside of Nakat, but he’s been playing Stripe
honest yoke
I honestly think dirt is the best move in the whole game
timber cedar
He has so many disgustingly good moves it's surprising that people thought he wa...
people said Jason was overpowered so public opinion on a character balance wise means literally nothing
never trust casuals
west cloak
I honestly think dirt is the best move in the whole game
Dirt literally just wins against certain characters
Jason has no option to beat dirt
honest yoke
Jason especially lmao
timber cedar
I honestly think dirt is the best move in the whole game
If Wonder Woman didn’t have s-air or down b I would agree with you
west cloak
I main Shaggy and he also has no way to deal with dirt
honest yoke
Morty can just run to the other side of the screen and spam dirt
I think dirt is better than anything WW has
west cloak
Literally the only counterplay to dirt is going to Scooby’s and dropping the floor down
That’s it
And dirt applies weaken
knotty sage
Literally the only counterplay to dirt is going to Scooby’s and dropping the flo...
the jump button:
the dodge button:
west cloak
So getting hit just means you die earlier
west cloak
the jump button:
the dodge button:
Counterpoint: you can move the dirt position so fast to cover literally any option
The only other “counterplay” is to stand on platforms
But you often don’t even have enough time to punish Morty anyway
honest yoke
Dirt also covers ledge and has a ridiculous hitbox
west cloak
Honestly, Morty should probably just be rebalanced to be more similar to how he was in the beta
Where grenades are his main neutral tool and not dirt
honest yoke
Nah I think how he is now is more interesting they just need to make dirt less oppressive
west cloak
Make the speed dirt travels slower and remove the weaken effect
honest yoke
It's not like he'd be a bad character in any way if dirt was balanced he has so much else going for him
Grenade combos are insanely strong and he has really good melee options
His up air is one of the best in the game and sair is a ridiculously good approach move with how fast he can move during it
timber cedar
why does his up air apply ignite
west cloak
It’s crazy how they took a lot of the “good neutral” characters from the beta and went “ok, let’s give them kill power” and then wonder why they become broken
Like Steven
Dude has no business with a Smash MK frame data uair and dair that kill at 70
timber cedar
“Let’s give Steven good zoning neutral combos and kill power”
west cloak
Personally, I feel every character should be balanced around Batman level
He’s good without being oppressive
knotty sage
why does his up air apply ignite
"why does the fire blast set you on fire?"
minor radish
Hitting someone with the most disgusting read into moonwalk is so toxic and it’s...
It's a lot funnier when you do it against someone that uses the salt emote
minor radish
If i finish the battle pass and the character level event, i'll have 1500 Gleam....
You saving up your gleamium for something?
I used mine on the iron giant beach blast bundle they had
tropic eagle
Just the next battle pass and if i have any left over, i'll buy a ringout or something if any go on sale.
I love ringouts, they're very creative and have infinite potential
tulip plaza
I've been tempted to use 60's comics but I've been using Yosemite sam usually
tropic eagle
I've been using Split The Guard. Current favorite, to be honest.
2nd place is a tie between Shazam and Coin Flip, but i don't have Shazam.
tulip plaza
I did use that's all folks for awhile, its so funny
halcyon badger
How do y’all feel about Monstrous Sidestep
tropic eagle
I use it. It's useful but it can screw you over sometimes.
timber cedar
How do y’all feel about Monstrous Sidestep
screws me over more than it helps
unique pewter
How do y’all feel about Monstrous Sidestep
I’ve seen people that are good with it but I think in general the 5% is better… monstrous sidestep does stop you from getting ringed out tho
ionic igloo
its so funny how the best move for jason perk wise is to just have the well rounded perk
unique pewter
its so funny how the best move for jason perk wise is to just have the well roun...
Yea the resurrection one needs a rework… like thematically it’s the most on point lol it’s just not very good
halcyon badger
And only a few seconds which doesn’t even matter cause he’s so slow they can just run away
I’ve seen some use MS for combos
unique pewter
I mean with how easy it is to hit him they could just say the first stock doesn’t count for him and let you keep the damage, you’re prolly gonna get killed again in like 30 seconds anyways
halcyon badger
But I’d rather have as a get back option
unique pewter
What if Jason’s rage was like a mini black adam bolt and hurt/knocked away people standing too close, that doesn’t fix the grey health/armor problems he has but it’d be nice
timber cedar
oh yea resurrectionist actually kills you earlier
it pops the moment any of your hitbox touches the void not when you actually die
so it literally nerfs you for basically nothing in return
median geyser
Monstrous Sidestep is a whole skilled perk
Like you need to understand the mechanic knowledge of it & how it works to fully utilizes it
But on average, I get more wins by using it than 5%
& on average, I get more ringouts with it
acoustic crypt
oh yea resurrectionist actually kills you earlier
i thought that was weird
friend died at 60 while fully in control but his toe touched bottom blastzone
halcyon badger
it pops the moment any of your hitbox touches the void not when you actually die
Wtf
acoustic crypt
was hilarious
halcyon badger
That perk is even worse than I thought
timber cedar
probably the worst signature perk in the game honsently
halcyon badger
Can’t wait for my boy to get some buffs
west cloak
it pops the moment any of your hitbox touches the void not when you actually die
Oh?
That kinda sucks
Honestly, all Jason really needs is some frame data buffs, his rage to not instantly lose to armor break, and for his passive no knockback to actually work when teammates give him gray health
Characters like Marvin can literally just be like “shoot armor breaking projectile” and Jason just can’t ever use rage
icy raptor
whats the best way for jason to do anything against the top tiers?
icy raptor
the silence says alot
knotty sage
Pray
west cloak
Wait for buffs
fading hare
Honestly, all Jason really needs is some frame data buffs, his rage to not insta...
And have his hitboxes and hurtboxes to be proper and have his attacks be disjointed. If they did that he’d be way better
west cloak
Oh yeah how could I have forgotten. Fix some of the egregiously bad hitboxes and hurtboxes
ancient wraith
idk if anybody answered this yet, but heres my guess:
when you do an airdodge and attack immediately after, you keep the momentum gained by the dodge while using the attack at the same time. similarly to airdodge/jump, this costs two bars of dodge.
i believe you can change your momentum when you do this action by inputting an attack in the opposite direction while performing the airdodge/attack. if i remember correctly, you can also get this to work with the airdodge/jump thing
again idk if you got this answer already or if it makes sense/is helpful but yeah 👍
anyways buff jason voorhees
amiright guys
icy raptor
i think thats right
also, after fighting some bugs mains, a couple small things i've gathered
Safe breaking/handling methods:
-if bugs does an aerial safe above you up special will cancel the safe and probably kill bugs
-if you're grounded a well timed u.attack will break an aerial safe, this works especially well since bugs mains will usually try to follow their safe for a follow up
-from side try to parry the safe then if bugs tries to follow up either dodge in or grounded up special
and then pray
usually the game falls apart for them when they realize they can't use their safe to get free combos
ancient wraith
bugs bunny mains when jump hold forward charge side air
halcyon badger
So egregious when you’re behind someone and their jabbing the air but since our jab pushes us forward it stumbles into their hit box
dire violet
idk if anybody answered this yet, but heres my guess:
when you do an airdodge a...
Yeah I'd figured it out later. You have to press in the opposite direction AFTER starting your attack, same as doing the B-Reverse in Smash, but the window to do it is much smaller. Might even be like 1 frame idk for sure.
icy raptor
we need to start having jason tourneys where whoever labs out the best tech and strats wins
queen juniper
Just a couple more days of grinding and I should have my Uber Jason skin 
median geyser
Just a couple more days of grinding and I should have my Uber Jason skin <:coolr...
Damn you're cooking
unique pewter
Damn you're cooking
lol yea not even close for me... mid 40s still... I don't have enough time in the day to grind like I would need to
median grove
lol yea not even close for me... mid 40s still... I don't have enough time in th...
Nah it's just that mvs is grindy af and doesn't respect its player's time in the slightest
median geyser
lol yea not even close for me... mid 40s still... I don't have enough time in th...
I'm also lower than that man
But still we've a month & this is fairly good enough
median geyser
Nah it's just that mvs is grindy af and doesn't respect its player's time in the...
It's the real reason why we've like months man...
If it's way shorter than that then it made zero sense
knotty sage
its literally just do the dailies and weeklies im nearly done and ive only really been doing that
besides the pve tho
median geyser
its literally just do the dailies and weeklies im nearly done and ive only reall...
Iiiiiiiiyeah I already done of that... I even done all weekly in just day 1... like this week from day 1
west cloak
Nah it's just that mvs is grindy af and doesn't respect its player's time in the...
This is true of literally every AAA game with a battle pass as the main progression
median geyser
This is true of literally every AAA game with a battle pass as the main progress...
But honestly... Idk how it's comparable to Tekken
median geyser
Yeah
fading hare
Yeah I kind of wish they made the battle pass more casual friendly similar to like brawl stars.
icy raptor
About to make it to fifty today
median grove
Yeah I kind of wish they made the battle pass more casual friendly similar to li...
Just about everything needs to be more casual friendly
Rifts are boring (for the most part) and are bloated with useless levels
Events last like 4 days
Some events require you to literally play the game all day non-stop to get all the rewards
The battlepass is ok tbh I don't play much and I can level it fast with the weekly missions and the event xp
but just about everything else is just ew
west cloak
Some events require you to literally play the game all day non-stop to get all t...
Fun fact: if you want the #1 PvP badge for the top dog event, just wait until the last day to play
You’ll be put in a queue with only other people who haven’t played the game until the last day
Which are often people who don’t play regularly
Flawed system
knotty sage
the top dog event is literally just "who has less of a social life" competition
west cloak
Correct
knotty sage
the 1st one i had my top 2 end with like 50k xp
median grove
Fun fact: if you want the #1 PvP badge for the top dog event, just wait until th...
wait that's so clever
west cloak
the 1st one i had my top 2 end with like 50k xp
First one had a streamer end with 50k. Second one had a streamer end at 74k
I’m not playing that much in a weekend
I have a life
knotty sage
and its all for like 1 BP level
median grove
Fun fact: if you want the #1 PvP badge for the top dog event, just wait until th...
Tho I don't really like the idea of losing access to the game for a few days just to get a stupid badge
west cloak
Yeah, it’s really dumb
I mean, you can technically just login to play rifts to complete daily challenges
And just not play PvP until the last day
If they have another top dog event before the end of the season, I’m considering doing that because I’m already almost finished the battle pass
Idc about the XP, I just want the unique badge
halcyon badger
Can they please fix his down air special
How do they program a move not to work properly
fading hare
Can they please fix his down air special
I think it is a bit weird with platforms but otherwise is not bad
halcyon badger
Nah sometimes they second hit won’t come out
And then it will
Even if not on hit
fading hare
Nah sometimes they second hit won’t come out
You have to do it near ground so you can land with it
azure falcon
I agree with this channel
timber cedar
like the entire channel
languid harbor
With our janky ass machete hit box and moves coming out slower then a snail.
Like im fine with him being a slow character. But his moveset is way too damn slow
halcyon badger
I hope they give his grabs armor
So we can walk up slowly and grab , feeling like the real Jason lol
fading hare
Yeah like they gave him a armor mechanic but it is so ass and it on a cooldown
median geyser
Yeah like they gave him a armor mechanic but it is so ass and it on a cooldown
& even dmg to yourself as well, what a bad tradeoffs
median geyser
I hope they give his grabs armor
His neutral axe & sleeping bag need armors
median geyser
I'm currently on Battlepass Tier 50 now...
Getting close & close to the end
I feel like just 20 days or less left to finish it once for all
halcyon badger
Sleeping bag needs a faster and larger hit box
Would be cool to confirm off jab jab
I jus love the animation of it when you swing them around lol
west cloak
I heard that single jab into sleeping bag is true
median geyser
Sleeping bag needs a faster and larger hit box
Not really...
Sleeping Bag needs an entire rework honestly...
It needs to be reworked into IG's grab counterpart
median geyser
I heard that single jab into sleeping bag is true
But it isn't worth it either
Finished all the daily & weekly missions so far tonight from day 1, gonna wait for more dailies...
Ngl, weekly missions easy as heck, just take bit longer
halcyon badger
I doubt they’d rework the whole thing
knotty sage
Ngl, weekly missions easy as heck, just take bit longer
esp since you can just grind them out in the rifts
halcyon badger
What do y’all consider Jason’s favorable matchups?
median geyser
esp since you can just grind them out in the rifts
Exactly
median geyser
I doubt they’d rework the whole thing
They just need to let us to be able to cancel using that bag, faster recovery & armor as well larger hitboxes as you said
wide shale
What do y’all consider Jason’s favorable matchups?
he's ok vs jason
halcyon badger
LMFAO I feel that’s literally his only Ok matchup
queen juniper
I can almost always cook an IG as Jason
vapid mica
What do y’all consider Jason’s favorable matchups?
Other Jason, Tom and Jerry and iron giant are easiest for me
median geyser
I can almost always cook an IG as Jason
Since they're like slowest but yeah...
unique pewter
Other Jason, Tom and Jerry and iron giant are easiest for me
Tom and Jerry?! I’m not saying you’re wrong but man they always seem to be good af when I face them lol just bad luck I guess
tulip plaza
I am once again asking PFG to fix jason
wide shale
i cant touch a good tom and jerry
the wall of jab/uptilts feels impenetrable, when you're not getting smacked by jerry
tulip plaza
I fought an iron giant who spammed grounded up special angled down and there was actually nothing I could do
cus all his moves naturally had priority over mine and my hurtboxes
wide shale
yeah ran in to one of those last night
i was just trying to space sair to the max and maybe trade with him
if you have a wall, jason can just 0 to death an IG with upspecial grabs
pretty sure he cant escape the grab chains
tulip plaza
see I had trouble with IG but I just demolished this lebron who I'm fairly certain was playing him for the first time
surprised he rematched like at all but he did twice like damn
tulip plaza
see I had trouble with IG but I just demolished this lebron who I'm fairly certa...
murder
icy raptor
so does jason have any combos that aren't context based other than dair uair?
because dair sucks
fading hare
so does jason have any combos that aren't context based other than dair uair?
His jab can convert into a bunch of things such as sleeping bag, teleport, down attack into up special grab for further setup, etc
wide shale
nair to sair works at low/medium%
you can also dodge immediately after landing the first hit of down special and combo out of it, but only if you were high enough not to get the followup attack
fading hare
https://discord.com/channels/879970800734711808/1009538859417215147/125527127562...
This clip is nice I don’t ever see Jason’s utilize the neutral special air grab
tulip plaza
I love using it all the time
grounded up special into neutral special air isn't true, but it is fun
fading hare
It converts really nicely too
queen juniper
Air grab is really good. Most Jason’s mid tho and don’t know kekw
wide shale
i'm hesistant to use it because it loses in every trade
because of this #clips message
tulip plaza
I usually use a neutral specific button, so I can usually drift closer to the edge with it when I grab someone
queen juniper
It literally does not lose in every trade kekw. So many doomers in here. Just grind and ascend with Jason folks
wide shale
a grab loses a trade to an attack every time
queen juniper
Copium
wide shale
especially with his giant hand hurtbox out there
queen juniper
Skill issue my guy. My grabs be hitting fine
wide shale
it has the perfect knockback death angle for sure
fading hare
I think it’s kinda funny that all the hitboxes and hurtboxes are just a bunch of circles
wide shale
they just ran out of time and couldnt do proper hit/hurtboxes
fading hare
It explains the broken hitboxes though
queen juniper
*hitcircles
wide shale
i mean, you can get away with circles/ovals/pills
smash does it
but it actually lines up
these are just weird as hell
tulip plaza
sometimes they are also intangible, which jason very much needs I think
nimble mirage
He’s like the only tank with no armor on any moves. None of his weapons are disjointed, he has like lowest priority on all of his moves, his moves are also so slow you can’t punish anything after dodging, hes the 2nd biggest character (not a good thing) he’s bottom 3 in 1v1, I wonder what buffs they are gonna throw on him.
knotty sage
He’s like the only tank with no armor on any moves. None of his weapons are disj...
Steven has no armor either but I get your point (and its not even certain he even is a tank)
queen juniper
UBER JASON ACQUIRED
650+ WINS
LEVEL 15 MASTERY
i am him
Holy heck the Uber Jason win screen animation got me feeling some type of way
🥵
tulip plaza
ayo?
tulip plaza
I am close to getting him
only that glemium and uber jason left on the passs
queen juniper
That’s like how I started the day only the last 2 levels
Luckily the weekly missions pay out nice with 750 exp each
So you can easily get Uber broski in like 2 hours or less
I did some rifts to maximize the missions at once
tulip plaza
a few more days of dailies and I'll be there
acoustic crypt
65
5 away from greatness
normal verge
I did 1v1 as Jason and that was the worst I’ve ever done in a match in this game lol.
glossy fox
I got Uber Jason, this skin is so sick
fickle ledge
He’s like the only tank with no armor on any moves. None of his weapons are disj...
If I had to guess.
The reason why Jason has no armor on anything is because he can put armor on everything.
Anyone else notice that mist walk doesn't take away rage despite being an attack?
acoustic crypt
If I had to guess.
The reason why Jason has no armor on anything is because he c...
but that sucks
WW can do the same thing with no health cost and still freely attacks
rage should just be a damage buff and his moves should naturally have armor
some of them at least
knotty sage
WW can do the same thing with no health cost and still freely attacks
Yeah but you gotta remember WW is both DC and an attractive woman
fickle ledge
WW can do the same thing with no health cost and still freely attacks
IIRC her cooldown is longer and fares worse against multi hits so that might have something to do with it.
timber cedar
I somehow won a 2v2 against a 500 win Batman main and a bugs main with a Finn who didn’t know how to play the game
I’m am so tired
ancient wraith
WW can do the same thing with no health cost and still freely attacks
"but wonder woman's armor only tanks through one attack! jason's can tank multiple AND grants a damage/knockback buff!"
yeah dude i feel so good about damaging myself just so my one buffed attack completely and utterly fails because jason's bed is so inconsistent
not to mention hes still vulnerable to armor breaks on top of losing all of his buffs on whiff
i am so very normal about the strength of this character
i cannot wait for the day i will be able to check this thread and see people talking about how jason got fixed
median geyser
so does jason have any combos that aren't context based other than dair uair?
I disagree with the dair being bad... like the hitbox is just the problem, I'd say it does hit hard but slow at same time, so little bit better speed would've been better
median geyser
"but wonder woman's armor only tanks through one attack! jason's can tank multip...
It's coz the Gray Health mechanic doesn't make sense... like letting the armor break perks just removed it completely is just bad
median geyser
Yeah but you gotta remember WW is both DC and an attractive woman
Yes but Jason still earns the popularity of being the first horror icon to make it to the game
ancient wraith
dude when i found out armor killer actually affects rage i was so devastated
jason cannot have anything
median geyser
Yes & the dmg to himself is absolutely bad tradeoffs
Also makes no sense to dmg himself like that
ancient wraith
honestly like
take away the self damage and double the cooldown
i’d take that with a smile on my face
ancient wraith
im not saying he actually should get the cooldown doubled i just mean even if they did something like that i would still be happy so long as self damage was removed
median geyser
It's honestly tough but like...
Rage doesn't even kill somewhere 0-70
So it's still useless in someway during this opponent's dmg
median geyser
Yes
ancient wraith
since the move like. you know. works every other tuesday
median geyser
But again it doesn't kill 0-70 so it isn't worth using it in early battle
ancient wraith
not at all
median geyser
It only uses to pressure & panics the opponents
Plus it can be broken any mean necessary if using uncharged
ancient wraith
oh yeah the uncharged version might as well not even do anything
median geyser
Like Shaggy's kick can completel destroy it
ancient wraith
so unbelievably niche. literally like any decent attack will do enough damage to break an uncharged rage
median geyser
oh yeah the uncharged version might as well not even do anything
It does do a bit if the characters don't do enough dmg to completely break it but most characters able to do enough dmg to break it
The fact that rage doesn't count Mist is an interesting factor
ancient wraith
could you imagine how much worse it would be if it did
median geyser
Definitely worse but I think it doesn't count as some sort of attack move
That's why Rage doesn't count
But it still technically knockbacks whoever get close to it
ancient wraith
admittedly im curious to see when buffed up teleport would kill but like. if teleport used up rage the move would be even more abysmal than it already is
median geyser
Buffed up Mist?
I thought Mist was fine though... just that it's very easily to get it disrupted by any means
ancient wraith
no i mean like
median geyser
Also very predictable
ancient wraith
how powerful would the mist hitbox be if you could buff it with rage
median geyser
Honestly, I think Rage doesn't buff the knockback of Mist...
Idk but someone have to test it out
ancient wraith
it doesn’t. im just kind of curious as to when it would kill if you actually could
no way to test that afaik but just silly to think about
median geyser
But even then, it wouldn't atleast kill somewhere 0-60
& getting a hit by Mist is extremely difficult
Coz the opponents will know what you're trying to do
That's why hitting with Mist is often used in combos
median geyser
honest yoke
hey thats me
median geyser
hey thats me
That was you as Jason?
honest yoke
yeah i'm the jason
median geyser
Nice
tulip plaza
I have obtained uber jason
this also means cus I bought toon jason that I have all the jason skins lol
halcyon badger
hey thats me
Nice I was watching that vid last nite, ur Jason is clean
honest yoke
thanks bro
i honestly wasn't playing my best in a lot of those matches i missed a few confirms and ran into some stuff i shouldn't have but overall i think i did pretty good
its an interesting matchup because it can swing in either direction super fast, both characters exploit the other one's weaknesses super well
median geyser
I have obtained uber jason
this also means cus I bought toon jason that I have a...
As the biggest fan of Jason, I still unfortunately can't buy Jason's Toonverse skin...
Coz I don't want to spend too much money on skins...
As well I already spent on Battlepass to get F13 contents as well the ringouts so yeah...
Having Default & Uber (upcoming) as well Matrix skins are definitely already enough for me...
median geyser
its an interesting matchup because it can swing in either direction super fast, ...
Honestly, Jason still swings fairly slow... but WW just overall has better tools than Jason
honest yoke
Oh I meant like Jason and LeBron can kill each other really fast
Not the speed of their literal swings
median geyser
Oh I meant like Jason and LeBron can kill each other really fast
Yeah right...
But honestly... Jason's Sair is worse than WW's Sair
halcyon badger
Also I was going to ask, is there a reason you don’t use his nair? @honest yoke
halcyon badger
how do we counter supermans grab?
If it’s the floating one? I try to time dodge so I’m directly behind him when he passes then punish
iirc I don’t think our up special beats his grab, so I don’t try to contest it
icy raptor
got it, ty
halcyon badger
You’re welcome
honest yoke
Also I was going to ask, is there a reason you don’t use his nair? <@27106441515...
I used to use nair a lot more but i found it usually wasn't worth the commitment in neutral and if I'm making a read in advantage there's usually a different option I'd prefer to go for
halcyon badger
Makes sense
honest yoke
It's a decent move and I should use it more it's just very situational
halcyon badger
Honestly I like nair for reading dodges, the hit box active frames feels kinda long
honest yoke
Yeah I definitely wanna start using it a bit more
And the fact that it doesn't slow your momentum makes dash jump nair a decent chase option
halcyon badger
True and learning that b reverse nair would give crazy movement to get in
honest yoke
I use dash jump sair a lot but I should start swapping some of those for nair at low percents
wide shale
how do we counter supermans grab?
he only has a hitbox on the leading arm and his head, if you can slip past that with a dodge/teleport you can hit the other 2/3 of his body
devout burrow
nair is ok
devout burrow
how do we counter supermans grab?
dodge in
icy raptor
This might be a hot take but I like how bad Jason is rn in the meta.
Don't get me wrong, from an objective standpoint this character sucks and desperately needs buffs but g****mn he's fun to play as is.
In the beta I was a shaggy main, and whenever I won I felt like I won because I was good at shaggy.
But when I win with Jason, I feel like I won because I beat my opponent outright, which is a very beautiful feeling.
Am I the only one that feels this way?
Completely unrelated lol
wide shale
you have to play 4x better than most of the cast as jason
since you need PERFECT timing and spacing
fickle ledge
This might be a hot take but I like how bad Jason is rn in the meta.
Don't get ...
Not really.
devout burrow
I am someone who plays jason because I think he is good enough to succeed
wide shale
otherwise you just lose a trade or get whiff punished
fickle ledge
Jason feels like cheeks but then you like neutral-b at the right time + bed and they're dead at 80 so like. 🤷♀️
I'd rather play this then Ganondorf in any game that isn't melee.
Maybe this is just the Phoenix Wright main talking but when you play a gimmicky low-tier enough you just learn to take the 💩 with the 🗻
tulip plaza
I love that all of jasons weapons change with uber jason
I mean I guess the sleeping bag just changes color but its still different
median geyser
I used to use nair a lot more but i found it usually wasn't worth the commitment...
I'd say nair is still somewhat useful due to its hitboxes & potential to combo immediately after it
halcyon badger
Just played this ww and they messaged me that Jason is broken lol
fickle ledge
I got my first salt PM only after I started playing Jason.
Something about this guy just brings out the worst in people.
halcyon badger
Yeah I’ve never played against so many people who tbag or bm
Especially when they’re playing shaggy/bb/WW
unique pewter
Yeah I’ve never played against so many people who tbag or bm
Oh yea if I queue up with Jason it's wall to wall teabagging as soon as the match starts... I guess they just want me to know he needs buffs
What's funny is it's usually a much closer match than I bet they would like
queen juniper
I tea bag and moon walk on all the peasants I defeat as Jason
🗿💀
It’s a matter of principle. They playing their main/high tier and I rolled and smoked them on Jason….. humiliation is required
median geyser
Lmao
median geyser
I tea bag and moon walk on all the peasants I defeat as Jason
Bro's cooking
glossy fox
I'd rather play this then Ganondorf in any game that isn't melee.
As a Ganon main in every game he’s in, I agree
tulip plaza
I tea bag and moon walk on all the peasants I defeat as Jason
you always gotta moonwalk on em
icy raptor
how do we prevent superman 0 to deathing us in 1201 ways?
icy raptor
dude. i just got 0-20'd by a superman and i'm bein serious cuz i need help
west cloak
The answer is to be less predictable in disadvantage because Superman can kill you off one read
If you get hit by nair off stage, you’re dead
queen juniper
Wait you died at 20% or you are 0-20 in matches? Either one is a sheeesh
rugged cradle
How exactly snowball effect works and why is so good? Is only 7% increased damage in decimals, after dealing 100 damage to an enemy, at the end you will only deal 7 extra damage
west cloak
See, you would think that, but because the way knockback is calculated, I believe it’s also a roughly 7% increase in knockback
This 7% can also extend hitstun when moves deal more damage
Certain combos are only true with characters that have 5% signature, snowball, and pugilist
For reference because it doesn’t say, pugilist deals 10% extra damage for melee attacks
rugged cradle
For reference because it doesn’t say, pugilist deals 10% extra damage for melee ...
Melee attacks are all attacks special and neutral that are not projectiles right?
west cloak
Melee attacks are all non-projectile attacks
Doesn’t matter if they’re specials or normals
So all of Jason’s attacks are melee attacks
rugged cradle
So for Jason your recommend snowball effect, 100, and pugilist as a build?
The best one for him?
west cloak
Yeah
west cloak
That’s the best combo for a lot of characters
west cloak
And how much damage and knockback a weaken stack applies?
Weaken I don’t think deals more damage (idk for sure), but someone tested that it deals 5% extra knockback per stack
So, a full 5 stacks of weaken makes you deal 25% more knockback
rugged cradle
Weaken I don’t think deals more damage (idk for sure), but someone tested that i...
Says in the glossary that makes enemy receive extra damage per stack
west cloak
It’s probably both then
rugged cradle
Even if that means sacrificing the combo potential of the teleportation?
west cloak
Resurrectionist is bad if your opponent has a brain and knows to just run away
And the teleport one can backfire if your opponent reacts to you using it
Especially off stage
rugged cradle
Resurrectionist is bad if your opponent has a brain and knows to just run away
Resurrectionist should work for each stock, not just the first one and that would make it a top tier perk since you can get more value from the 100 perk.
west cloak
Because you always teleport behind your opponent, your opponent can literally turn around at ledge and you teleport still off ledge
west cloak
Resurrectionist should work for each stock, not just the first one and that woul...
If it worked for every stock and lasted twice as long, it’d be ok
But being one-time use and only lasting like 5 seconds with Jason’s abysmal speed makes it useless
rugged cradle
I see some Jason equipping the speed perk, I didn't know that speed also means faster animations and attacks
Correct me if I'm wrong
west cloak
It doesn’t
It’s only movement speed
It’s not worth it imo because Jason is already so slow that 5% faster movement speed hardly makes a difference
Jason is the second heaviest character in the game, so he can get a lot of mileage from last stand
median geyser
And the teleport one can backfire if your opponent reacts to you using it
Monstrous Sidestep isn't bad, more of a skilled perk
queen juniper
Not worth running tho. But not as useless as resurectionist
median geyser
Not worth running tho. But not as useless as resurectionist
It still technically worth running & I've been getting more wins from it on average than 5%
queen juniper
Bless your heart. at least someone enjoys it
median geyser
Bless your heart. at least someone enjoys it
The Monstrous Sidestep?
You telling me that you respect me from using it?
queen juniper
No. Just glad someone finds value in it
median geyser
No. Just glad someone finds value in it
Thanks man
icy raptor
what do we think about air platform perk?
rugged cradle
Jason is the second heaviest character in the game, so he can get a lot of milea...
If Jason deserves a natural super armor, Which ability should have it?
Neutral Ground up?
icy raptor
if we're talking from a game balancing standpoint, nair special, the grab is hard to hit and not rewarding, its only fair to make it a little bit more safe
if we're talking about making jason as op as possible, i was thinking his aerial up special could use the armor, imaging recovring from ledge for free.
rugged cradle
if we're talking about making jason as op as possible, i was thinking his aerial...
Considering how underwhelming and combo free is Jason I don't see it that strong.
west cloak
If Jason deserves a natural super armor, Which ability should have it?
Either that one or neutral attack
icy raptor
well thats the thing, he really struggles once he is off-stage, giving him some help getting back up is really busted, but thats prolly just me
rugged cradle
well thats the thing, he really struggles once he is off-stage, giving him some ...
Half the roster of broken characters having a better and viable option for getting up:
Cough cough iron giant.
icy raptor
fair point
icy raptor
what do we think about air platform perk?
rebump
wide shale
its pretty nice on jason, can charge rage offstage
also up special works nicely with it
tulip plaza
while I know its hard to hit, I think the clips of airwalker sleeping bag off stage are hilarious
wide shale
i use air parries a lot though when people are juggling me to the ceiling
so its a tough tradeoff
airwalker bag is tough because you can't do it too fast
you'll end up doing the aerial down special instead
tulip plaza
I've been trying to get better at parries on jason, the only problem is that so often, their move BARELY doesn't hit, so I'm usually stuck in a half second animation while they are out of endlag already, its so annoying
naturally other times I just get the timing wrong which is its own thing
wide shale
its easier for him to parry stuff he isnt facing is what i heard
because of his stupid hands
queen juniper
Parry window needs like 2 or at the very least 1 more frame
tulip plaza
I've been trying to get better at parries on jason, the only problem is that so ...
sometimes when this happens in my head I'm like "oh gee, the one time the top tier doesn't have a massive hitbox for no reason"
queen juniper
3-0 start on matches for the evening. 2 matches I got 3 ringouts
Give me ranked
🗿
These mortals are not worthy
Then I immediately get a NPC ah ww as a teammate and we lose
halcyon badger
Anyone notice when you parry and the last hit of the up tilt acts like a wall?
median geyser
Tons of labbing
halcyon badger
Jus happens in game a lot
I’ll get a parry, input uptilt, they get folded in but once they hit the top it slams them back down
It’s so weird it messes up my combos but I feel like there could be a setup using it
icy raptor
OMG IS THAT WHAT THAT IS???
if we can figure out how to hit that consistently (or avoid it consistently) that might be huge
halcyon badger
It’s probably just a bug, maybe parry gives weird properties
icy raptor
ooohhh, in other news, i found some jason specific* tech, gimme a sec to record it
halcyon badger
Same ima try to record the bug I’m talking about
Weird now it’s not doing it lol
Let me see if I have any pre recorded clips of it
icy raptor
here:#clips message
if you spam side special just before you're about to fall off the wall it will apply the multiplier for wall gravity twice, without you needing to hold towards the wall as it considers you to be mid air.
You can use side b once instead but it will only apply regular wall gravity.
I don't see an insane use for this, but if we can figure out a way to perform this at the top of ledge or combine this with airwalker properly (i tried using it to regain resources but it put the platform below me so i wasn't standing on it) we might be able to use this to gain and convert momentum, and any amount of jason movement tech will be a life saver
also, unrelated, i don't think the car platforms on batcave are the same size, try using neutral attack on top of both of them. Left car breaks, right car doesn't.
wait what?
nevermind im wrong, apparently theres a way you can use neutral attack without damaging the cars that i found out (somehow)
jason is so jank man
scenic lagoon
Absolutely
unique pewter
you think this is what stockholm syndrome feels like?
lol the dude that is based on has 10/10 charisma... also just played with Jason for like an hour, maybe only won half the matches... felt like winning the whole time 🏒
icy raptor
absolutely, idk why jason is so much fun whilst still being so terrible, it really needs to be studied
minor radish
kind of like ganondorf in smash bros
thorn wing
just give this dude super armor on every single move
his neutral tilt, his sair, his up special
timber cedar
god hates you
being serious it’s probably some knockback bug
given how jank Jason is I wouldn’t be surprised
ancient wraith
god hates you
yeah that checks
ionic igloo
i find it comical that
]jasons hitboxes are THIS bad
but when ever a character has just like a
"Leaping forward punch" move its disjointed to all hades
halcyon badger
Shaggys dash attack, charged up neutral, dair special and side special all hitting you without actually touching you is taking years out my life span
median geyser
Shaggys dash attack, charged up neutral, dair special and side special all hitti...
& they can even break armor
Jason's movement speed is only 644...
Which is insanely below 700
median geyser
Just cooked a WW who just keep tbagging
muted spire
absolutely, idk why jason is so much fun whilst still being so terrible, it real...
I blame the devs for this.
icy raptor
typically i prefer blaming WBG instead of PFG since this is their first game and WB sucks, but yeah i gotta agree on this one lmao
knotty sage
PFG developed the game, its them
although you could maybe blame WB for possibly rushing things
queen juniper
All the end lag on Jason’s moves should be a war crime
icy raptor
PFG developed the game, its them
although you could maybe blame WB for possibly ...
when we're talking about the gameplay, i blame pfg and lowkey blame wb
But anything else I 100% blame WB. Everything else either seems so blatantly capitalistic or rushed that it isn't even funny.
no sane game dev without over reach from a parent corp would push out this terrible of a product years before its ready.
west cloak
I mean, the gameplay likely suffered due to PFG clearly needing to rush the game out to meet WB’s strict deadlines
Realistically speaking, the game needed another month or so in the oven
icy raptor
hopefully this next patch will fix most of the big issues around the game, even if it doesn't fix all of the characters
west cloak
Btw have any of you guys noticed the knockback negation bug with other characters besides Jason?
I haven’t, so I’m wondering if it’s Jason exclusive
icy raptor
nada, but it happens very rarely. unless someones see it happen on something other than utilt, i think its utilt specific
west cloak
I saw it happen when someone used Jason sair
rugged cradle
Btw have any of you guys noticed the knockback negation bug with other character...
When two characters or entity hit an opponent, the knockback of both attacks will sum or just consider the last hit?
minor radish
Btw have any of you guys noticed the knockback negation bug with other character...
what do you mean
recently my characters get frozen in place whenever they take a hit, as if they were paused during their animation
and then the knockback happens
west cloak
This clip that was posted yesterday
The Taz gets hit by Jason sair at over 100% and barely goes anywhere when he should’ve died
west cloak
I will say it usually happens with Jason utilt and the opponent literally goes nowhere
minor radish
recently my characters get frozen in place whenever they take a hit, as if they ...
what's been happening to me is something i started noticing a couple days ago
maybe im just confused
west cloak
Do you know what attacks you’re getting hit by?
It could also be a desync with the server
minor radish
it probably is desync then
west cloak
I’ve had matches where there’s insane rollback like 3-5 seconds of rollback
Your character just teleports somewhere completely different
minor radish
You can watch it on your computer
west cloak
I’m not about to pull up TikTok at work
icy raptor
Btw have any of you guys noticed the knockback negation bug with other character...
if jason's u.smash does actually create a platform for a bed like someone supposed a while ago, then i think it might be a D.I thing where because they di'd into the platform something happens to cancel that momentum?
halcyon badger
if jason's u.smash does actually create a platform for a bed like someone suppos...
Nah I kept testing it out and it happens so quick it looks like they get hit by a wall but now that I labbed it out it seems the hit box doesn’t connect at all after the first hit
knotty sage
I’m not about to pull up TikTok at work
its a match between a joker and jason, both w/ 2 points, Joker at 0, Jason at about 62, the 2 are on opposite ends of the stage when the joker suddenly disappears and Jason wins
icy raptor
Nah I kept testing it out and it happens so quick it looks like they get hit by ...
if that's the case we might have a combo for low percent short/crouching characters with u.tilt to d.tilt
halcyon badger
Tried that also, nothing is true since the bed has end its animation and by the time it does they’re free from hitsun
Can probably cook something up with 2s though
icy raptor
Tried that also, nothing is true since the bed has end its animation and by the ...
if an enemy spams an attack out hitstun do we have the oppurtunity to dodge?
queen juniper
The hitbox I think disjoints slightly and wedges them on the ground instead of knocking upwards from some sort of gap issue. Just a theory tho
icy raptor
if an enemy spams an attack out hitstun do we have the oppurtunity to dodge?
because if we recognize that they fell out of u.tilt and parry we can follow up with a contextually better move
halcyon badger
Nope it’s a free punish lol
west cloak
its a match between a joker and jason, both w/ 2 points, Joker at 0, Jason at ab...
Did the Joker ride a balloon at all?
knotty sage
no
west cloak
Wack
halcyon badger
Up special her shield moves
Also one thing I noticed is you hit them try to counter their mash, cause most of the time they will try to attack even in disadvantage
ionic igloo
Up special her shield moves
doesnt her grounded side special trade with upspecial
because jason is so quirky and cool
halcyon badger
Beats her super armor special though
I’m pretty sure that move too but I’m not really sure
Rage is so funny
It’s literally “did he just walk up and charge smash????”
acoustic crypt
Btw have any of you guys noticed the knockback negation bug with other character...
Jake
rapid cargo
Powerscaling wise who does Jason beat in the cast?
neon spire
Jason murders Velma, Gizmo and Finn in the red rift cinematic
median geyser
Jason's hitboxes are so garbage
rapid cargo
They kinda leave it ambiguous, but I definitely feel Velma and Gizmo would die.
Finn is harder to scale because of his feats.
Would he just be able to kill Arya? I don't watch enough GoT to know
median geyser
Mam the uair & dair hitboxes need some work
As well sair
They're literally the worst hitboxes I seen
rapid cargo
-Toonforce people are off the table.
-Current DC characters would most likely beat him
-Unsure about SU characters. I know Steven's shield is basically impervious and can deflect planetary destruction beams
-Lebron probably cooked
knotty sage
Garnet and Steven both cook Jason
rapid cargo
damn 😔
knotty sage
garnet can carry a boat with ease and is really fast despite what her MVS appearance says
steven it kinda depends on his age
but teen steven smokes him
rapid cargo
Yeah, Future could mess him up for sure
knotty sage
early show steven i think gets cooked
rapid cargo
Damn, list lookin kinda slim.
Would have no chance against Rick either or current Morty
acoustic crypt
Powerscaling wise who does Jason beat in the cast?
Velma only
median geyser
Honestly... he struggles against fighters with faster attacks
knotty sage
Powerscaling wise who does Jason beat in the cast?
Beats: Banana Guard, Gizmo, Velma, Shaggy (the actual character not the knock off goku in game)
Maybe: Lebron, Arya
No: Joker, Looney Tunes, Black Adam, Rick, Iron Giant, Batman, Finn, Garnet, Harley, Jake, Reindog, WW
Depends: Steven, Stripe, Morty
rapid cargo
Velma only
not the gremlins? I think he might beat em
knotty sage
not the gremlins? I think he might beat em
gizmo is literally his easiest kill
acoustic crypt
Beats: Banana Guard, Gizmo, Velma, Shaggy (the actual character not the knock of...
LeBrons taller and more athletic
doesn't make him knife proof but he can outrun him EASILY and probably has security or his own firearm
knotty sage
LeBrons taller and more athletic
doesn't make him knife proof but he can outrun...
im assuming a 1v1 where they have to fight each other
median geyser
gizmo is literally his easiest kill
Even Stripe can cook him
acoustic crypt
im assuming a 1v1 where they have to fight each other
Prime Bron with a basketball in his hand?
Jason won't know what hit him
knotty sage
Even Stripe can cook him
i think if stripe doesnt have his chainsaw then jason crushes him, i doubt stripe could aim well enough to headshot him
rapid cargo
But he's also survived gunshot wounds
median geyser
i think if stripe doesnt have his chainsaw then jason crushes him, i doubt stri...
He's his dynamite & some sort of crazy uground combos
acoustic crypt
Arya is also a no bc she specializes in assassination and has experience fighting bigger opponents
he catches a needle to the throat before he can stare silently
median geyser
I got cooked by Stripe before with the combos he'd
knotty sage
He's his dynamite & some sort of crazy uground combos
we're talking about powerscaling not in game
median geyser
we're talking about powerscaling not in game
Oh powerscaling uh...
I would say Jason can still survive the chainsaw lorewise...
rapid cargo
Arya is also a no bc she specializes in assassination and has experience fightin...
isn't he immortal though? I haven't watched GoT so idk if Arya has any magical BS
knotty sage
isn't he immortal though? I haven't watched GoT so idk if Arya has any magical B...
he still dies just temporarily
acoustic crypt
isn't he immortal though? I haven't watched GoT so idk if Arya has any magical B...
Knife that killed the immortal freeze people
median geyser
But like the Dynamite is enough to kill the Undead?
knotty sage
Arya is also a no bc she specializes in assassination and has experience fightin...
i said maybe for arya just bc i know nothing about GoT
acoustic crypt
she is medieval batman basically
rapid cargo
Knife that killed the immortal freeze people
ooooooh, I did see that scene. Yeah Arya might cook him
knotty sage
could morty go there since i think early season morty would die to jason
knotty sage
same with early finn since hes just a 12 year old with above average strength and agility but its been a while since i saw AT
acoustic crypt
same with early finn since hes just a 12 year old with above average strength an...
Early Finn I think still takes it
he gutted marcelines dad from top to bottom
jumped like 20 feet into the air to do it
Would joker take it?
I know he can fight but Jason is like a scaled down Grundy with a knife
rapid cargo
I think so, just because DC characters are busted. If Batman can Joker probably can too
acoustic crypt
Or an axe
rapid cargo
yeah grundy is good point
acoustic crypt
I think so, just because DC characters are busted. If Batman can Joker probably ...
Yeah powerscaling DC is a mess
icy raptor
hey, i was doing jason duos, and the guy i was up against was able to do a turnaround throw after his jabs, is this normal? How do you do it?
like the 3rd part of the jab was able to throw behind him and thats insane
rapid cargo
isn't it just a left input after jab 2?
or right I guess depending on what you're facing
Are you on controller?
icy raptor
i mean yeah but he was able to backthrow as well
rapid cargo
OOOH
I see you said he threw behind him mb
I read that wrong
nah might be tech I'm not aware of (or lag) lol
icy raptor
nono he was able to do it consistently, he was using it to throw me off stage
rapid cargo
damn, new Jason tech unlocked
rapid cargo
so basically you're saying he grabbed in one direction and threw in the other?
icy raptor
exactly
rapid cargo
jeez, that's scary
icy raptor
he was using it to throw me off edge, absolutely genius
idk how he did it, but he was using resurectionist and speed force, i think it might have something to do with that but idk???
wide shale
you can throw people either way with upsecial or jab 3
rapid cargo
😮 shows how much I know about jason lol
icy raptor
i knew u could do it with uspecial i just dont know how to do it with jab 3
wide shale
its the movement stick
you just have to hold early enough
like as soon as you grab them
you can also buffer attacks out of teleport, apparently not many jasons know this and just empty teleport all the time
icy raptor
you just have to hold early enough
its still not working for me????
wide shale
dunno what to tell you, i do it all the time without thinking about it
icy raptor
can you show a clip with input display if you have the setup for it?
wide shale
cant at the moment
wide shale
there shouldnt be any special timing or anything, i literally just hold my stick in the opposite direction after he grabs someone
icy raptor
whenever i do that it just doesn't do anything? What controller are you using? and are you on pc?
icy raptor
i might try it with kb then and see if it works cuz im on ds4
icy raptor
i might try it with kb then and see if it works cuz im on ds4
thats weird, when i'm on kb its fine but when im on ds4 it doesn't
prolly an issue between ds4 and steam than :(
wide shale
playstations controllers on PC have always been kind of weird since they are directinput instead of Xinput
rapid cargo
prolly an issue between ds4 and steam than :(
tfw the character you play with is gimped by hardware issues 😔
I don't trust controllers they keep stick drifting me haha
wide shale
i had to do a lot of messing with the deadzones to stop getting wrong inputs
halcyon badger
hey, i was doing jason duos, and the guy i was up against was able to do a turna...
When you get jab3 which is the grab you can input the other direction and Jason will turn around to throw them
I’m not sure if that’s wat ur referring to
Nvm they already answered for u
icy raptor
yup, guess this means im a kb player now, gotta start grinding again :\
okay, now its just not doing it again???? derferq?
this character is so jank man
dire violet
It works for me on controller, but only if I start the attack with a button press, it doesn't work if I use the right stick to start it.
icy raptor
hmmm i see
omg
if the third jab is performed with stick it doesn't work, but if its performed with attack it will
its not hardware dependant
its button dependant
that must be why its easy for others and not for others
oml
jankjankjankjankjankjank
jankson
dire violet
I was about to say that lol
Jankson Voorhees
timber cedar
I love jankson ❤️
icy raptor
yeah this is the time i'm switching to kb, i use claw grip for controllers and so trying to hit all bumpers is annoying, and those are all of the available buttons i have left on my controller 😔
timber cedar
I love my machete phasing through people
dire violet
I love the bed doing 1% damage
icy raptor
WAIT
I FOUND A WAY TO DO IT STICK ONLY
if you do toward toward and then away on the third jab for right stick, but hold in on left stick, it will do jab three toward.
Then if you hold away on the left stick it will backthrow
JASON TECH BAYBEEEEEEEEEEE
okay i swear it was working two seconds ago
omg i hate this game sm rn
okay i think i got it
i don't got it
halcyon badger
I wish we were able to send pics in here
The amount of pics we’d have of Jason getting by from a move 10 miles away would be funny
icy raptor
lol
icy raptor
yeah this is the time i'm switching to kb, i use claw grip for controllers and s...
if someone finds a way to perform jasons jab 3 backthrow stick only, ping me in it please and thank you 🙏
unique pewter
-Toonforce people are off the table.
-Current DC characters would most likely b...
I know this was hours ago, but I had to throw in, Steven Universe with the other characters is gonna be near unstoppable, since they can all fuse together kinda like Voltron
rapid cargo
I know this was hours ago, but I had to throw in, Steven Universe with the other...
True, Obsidian would melt a good chunk of the cast
wide shale
#clips message axe go chop
there's kind of a setup i found to get on the edge of the ledges quickly, requres two dodges though
ashen drift
I'm praying for buffs too man Jason needs em
🙏🙏
tulip plaza
even if he doesn't get buff buffed, I just hope they fix his hit/hurtboxes
but also give him straight buffs too please
tulip plaza
jesus christ, I guess its just sweat city today
oh wait no, I'm simply playing against only top tiers, who would have thunk it
ancient wraith
MONDAYS THE BIG DAY
tulip plaza
where hopefully all the top tiers get gutted and jason becomes number one baybee pft
halcyon badger
Hoping these buffs open up new combo routes 🤞🏽
I can see nair being a combo extender
timber cedar
don’t you know WW is extremely underpowered
she clearly needs a 0td and busted hitboxes
halcyon badger
Getting looped by 5 bug nair even though attack decay “exists”
halcyon badger
I just don’t understand this game
What’s the point of weight classes if the light can hit just as hard as the heavies
sour bone
ki ki ki ki ma ma ma ma
thorn wing
What’s the point of weight classes if the light can hit just as hard as the heav...
so that u buy joker
imo jason doesn't really give the power fantasy of being a relentless killer
it would do him justice to #1 fix his hitboxes so he can actually hit people and #2 give him a TON of armor
I especially think his neutral tilt should have armor