Jason

[main belfry]

He sjust, bottom of the barrel, sitting at a 37% winrate

probably went down by now again

[untold maple]

yeah I don't think he's op at all and he will only get easier to fight as people figure him out.

[main belfry]

theres not that much to find out sadly

his best option nearly always

up B

his best kill confirm is usually his Sair

and even that only really gets combod with 1 move

Hardly anything beats Up b if you got hit by it before, and you dont wanna sit idle against jason after Up b because sair is just a constant threat

sadly however

Joker side air

Is the biggest piece of ,,i win button"

[steady magnet]

Anyone noticed dodges going in the opposite direction after doing an attack with Jason? It's gotten me hit a few times now

[median geyser]

I find Monstrous Sidestep to be useful if used correctly

Coz Jason can immediately attacks after that

I kinda underestimated how strong is Monstrous Sidestep

[main belfry]

you just need to not spam it

[median geyser]

Exactly... that's what I said

Used correctly

[main belfry]

I switched to superman for a bit, who seems to be ,,fine" but god you notice on superman and Jason just how awfully strong the top tiers are

like on jason even moreso

[median geyser]

Jason is nowhere near Superman's lv

He's no armor man

[main belfry]

you sit teleport away and this goddamn purple west wearing grease hair just schwurbles his titanium crane after you and you die

yeah it feels better to play basically everyone execpt jason

like on superman at worst i can crank hyperarmor out if needed

[median geyser]

The fact that Shaggy is available for starters are insane

& he's damn strong

[main belfry]

Yeah ill probably leave this sinking ship at some point and return to the peace full ways of
not playing fighting games

[median geyser]

I'm still playing coz I do really need to grind battle passes

I want to get those F13 exclusive stuffs which will never be seen again

So it ain't too late to do so

[main belfry]

F13?

Of friday 13th

Yeah ill probably go Till 55 for the jason moonwalk

[knotty sage]

they've said nothing is BP exclusive and will be purchaseable after the BP ends but considering the current state i wouldnt be surprised if that changed

[tulip plaza]

some crazy insane person apparently already completed the BP already apparently since they had uber jason
his win animation is crazy funny lol

[acoustic crypt]

how

[elfin fossil]

Since you can't carry his range armor through the full jab combo, maybe Jason should have armor on the JabGrab at the end of the string.

It would certainly give it more utility

[acoustic crypt]

is it the win screen where he's just standing in front of the camera

[tulip plaza]

yeah yeah its so good
walks off and then he's just right there

might use that skin just for that win screen tbh lol

[median geyser]

I'd rather grind & get them for free

It shows how much you really put into this game

The achievements, the rewards & everything

[languid harbor]

Man im gettin there on the bp. The 50xp is really helping

Can't wait to get the moon walk

[orchid ocean]

Small tip against projectile heavy characters: use the projectile block perk. It makes life more easier against some fighters

[languid harbor]

AA im so close to gettin the man who jonks. Need 2,000 more prestige thingies.

Jason announcer pack when?

[main belfry]

no man man who jonks it sexual style?!?!?!

[languid harbor]

😳

Why did man jonk? Is he stupid?

[main belfry]

Why did jonkler man is he acoustic?

[languid harbor]

Why did man and jonkler hang out with bone? Are they friends?

[main belfry]

The reddit is such a gold mine for bad names

[languid harbor]

Lol

[nimble mirage]

Morty is like unbeatable with Jason if they know how to use their ranged tools. I would love to see a high level Morty vs Jason match

[nimble mirage]

Is there like a real Jason discord but there is way too much glue eating going on here

[main belfry]

there isnt a real dedicated Discord for any character of here tbf

[knotty sage]

theres a steven one thats lasted since the beta

[main belfry]

really?

Thats odd considering it was gone for a while

but yeah i havent heard of this fabled jason dc yet, because the character doesnt even have enough going for it to justify that

[tropic eagle]

Today i learned jab jab up normal into up air works.

[minor radish]

ive gotta see this win screen. give me a week or two and I should be there. I'm at 51 now.

[minor radish]

Are you able to link a video of it, or is that not allowed here

[main belfry]

yeah it dooes

also what works for him is jab jab nair if timed well but thats very situational and only hurts indodging oponents

[median geyser]

It's to be time perfecty though

Coz two pokes can be inconsistent with the hitboxes often times

[languid harbor]

Oh my god it's frustrating seeing his Machete hit someone but not actually count as a hit. Just passes through them like nothing happened. Meanwhile facing a fin whose 10x faster and their sword is actually able to land

[median geyser]

Half baked & filthy mess

[tropic eagle]

Finally got to mastery 10!

[main belfry]

Nice

now you can join me in abandonning jason

[tropic eagle]

Nah, i'm still playing Jason.

Superman is next, tho.

Then i'm debating with myself on whether to buy Morty or save for Joker.

[main belfry]

ill probably buy the rocks white cousin and then cry how easy he is

[tropic eagle]

....Black Adam?

[main belfry]

yeah

[median geyser]

This game is absolutely garbage on server connection

Like I can't imagine how my inputs delayed all time

[acoustic crypt]

let me see if I can find one

https://x.com/Rockman_BN/status/1802399137456890140?t=5JorSfQEA1jOQEJ_72PDRQ&s=19

[minor radish]

That's amazing

[west cloak]

I need him

[minor radish]

That is actually godlike

[median geyser]

Hey y'all

What batterpass tier are you on rn?

[minor radish]

Uhh 55 I think

[rapid cargo]

only 30

[minor radish]

Whatever the moonwalk is on

[rapid cargo]

i hate PVE and missions lmao

[minor radish]

I just unlocked the moonwalk

You really should dedicate some time to rifts so you can get a lot of points

But good luck if you don't want to

[west cloak]

42 I think

Did the changes to rifts giving BP XP take effect yet? I saw the announcement

But I’m at work, so I can’t really play the game rn

[knotty sage]

yeah i logged in last night and immediately got 5 levels

[west cloak]

👀

[main belfry]

I didnt touch rifts at all i dont like them

I played them for the missions today but i dislike fighting the damn punching bags

[west cloak]

They’re ok

Like, I’ll play them because I do want to try Agent Smith early

But it’s kinda disappointing that only two of them had cutscenes

[leaden otter]

Damn. Jason can't moonwalk the whole stage.

[west cloak]

I really don’t like how they lock difficulties behind leveling up gems which is only possible via loot boxes

Or spending money

Like idc if I’m severely underleveled. Let me play the harder difficulties because the easier ones are a joke

[acoustic crypt]

49 i think

[acoustic crypt]

is it in place?

[glacial glen]

Wait people play Jason?

[leaden otter]

He goes back a little and then stops. You'd have to do the taunt again and again

[acoustic crypt]

i would agree but the higher levels the enemies just do 200 damage a hit (when you don't have leveled gems)

very annoying that the gem levels exist to basically just make it an even fight again

nothing particularly special

[median geyser]

Oh wow...

Y'all are lvling up fast

[west cloak]

Yeah, but they don’t even let you try

[median geyser]

I already finished all the daily missions & weekly missions from day 1

I mean beginning of the week

[knotty sage]

all while you apparently drain your dodge meter by attacking if your gems arent leveled enough

[acoustic crypt]

grind the gems to grind the gems to grind the gems to unlock levels to grind more gems

what do the gems do? make it easier to grind gems of course

[west cloak]

Also, the fact that it’s average gem level is really bad

If you’re unlucky, you could just be missing one gem and have to spend several more days/weeks to level the last one up for the threshold

[minor radish]

I hit a point about a week or two ago where it's nigh impossible to level up my gems any further.

[timber cedar]

past level 4 leveling up gems is a massive pain

[minor radish]

You either barely get any gem exp at all, or you suddenly gain two whole levels on a gem

[timber cedar]

also for certain rifts like the Velma one you need to level up both your digital and horror gems

and it’s just way to grindy for me to even bother

[minor radish]

You hit a certain point where buying the biggest exp boost in the shop does very little

[steady magnet]

I'd like if the neutral axe smash worked like Taz where you can walk if you'd like but you can also just stand still and charge

[elfin fossil]

It's meant to be used with rage so that you trick opponents into trying to stop you, and get a free hit in.

But frankly, i just want the ability to turn around during the walk

[upper flower]

Jason is bottom tier

Easy combo food

[slender arrow]

Defense wise I'd say he is D Tier but attack wise S Tier so overall he isn't that bad.

[main belfry]

attack wise S tier?

have you played him?

[acoustic crypt]

have u played anyone else on the roster is the question

[main belfry]

i did, superman, black adam, jonkler

[acoustic crypt]

(not u) bananaguard has the same kill output by spamming fair

[main belfry]

ah aight mb

[acoustic crypt]

Jason has good kill power but so does everyone else without his same weaknesses, and a few have it way better

[minor radish]

Jason players being beaten by a mad scientist that speaks redditor tier voice lines

[acoustic crypt]

it's easier to land 50 banana guard disjoint fairs than it is one Jason axe

and they both kill at the same rate LOL

[minor radish]

I hope he gets better

[acoustic crypt]

mad scientist with a jab that reaches from Hawaii to Arkansas 😭

[main belfry]

same, i want to love him, but he gets nae naed by so much

[acoustic crypt]

i think everyone on the roster should be balanced around getting to/near Rick and Morty level

idk if they have complaints but i think those two are some of the best balanced on the roster

[severe barn]

Rick's jab could use some tweaks ngl- but otherwise Rick feels pretty fair and fun with setup potential

but saddening that online some peeps just play him as a jab simulator

[devout burrow]

jason's wr on tracker is now above 40%

it's steadily rising

[tropic eagle]

Tracker?

[knotty sage]

tracker.gg

[west cloak]

Good

[unique pewter]

I get wins in 2s a fair amount with him, 1s feels more difficult, but that may be a playstyle thing... I try to get out of the mix and come in from the side with kill moves, if my partner can survive a few seconds alone I get a lot of double kills that way

[median geyser]

Have you been using Monstrous Sidestep?

[unique pewter]

No I have two perk setups and both use the 5% perk, one has armor break on dash attack and the other has that walking projectile shield perk I think, both use pugilist, one has snowball, can’t remember which

Basically two similar setups with slightly different stuff depending on who I’m facing

[minor radish]

ive been considering going back to the 5% perk

[median geyser]

Thought so...

No one is really using Monstrous Sidestep

[unique pewter]

You can be annoying with it I think but overall I want damage I’ve found

[rapid cargo]

Is that the perk that makes him appear behind the opponent?

[minor radish]

yes

and it's been getting me read like a book

[median geyser]

The problem is that you can't even land easily

[unique pewter]

One thing I noticed with this is it can save you from ringout if you’re good with it

[median geyser]

Not when you use it correctly, it definitely requires skills & understanding to use

[rapid cargo]

it feels very telegraphed no? Like you know he'll appear right behind you

[unique pewter]

If you hit it before you hit the blast zone it kills all momentum and puts you behind them

[median geyser]

You can still buffer attacks & trick them in various ways as well combo out of it, it's more of a skilled perk that requires reward

[rapid cargo]

oooooh I see

[median geyser]

Yes but like if you're skilled with it, it's rewarding

[minor radish]

interesting

[median geyser]

IK often times people spam it & use it in the wrong way

[unique pewter]

I honestly use my teleport for recovery mostly, once in a while to kill

[median geyser]

https://youtu.be/zzKDeRKi0OA?feature=shared

[median geyser]

You can check my gameplay here...

I used Monstrous Sidestep vs WW

As I said before, Monstrous Sidestep requires lot of skills to use & understanding on how it works

[knotty sage]

can i get your WWs

[median geyser]

What?

[knotty sage]

can i face the WW players you face

[median geyser]

Idrk man... go & ask them

Their name is there in the video

I also fought that WW thrice & won

[main belfry]

any1 here wanna play? i cant get people in the actual lfgs to play lol

[tulip plaza]

I just played against someone just now who was likely using T&J off the free rotation cus I demolished them

when you get a good jason game you get a good jason game

or just a bad player, atho I don't wanna call em bad cus they could probably destroy me with their main

[acoustic crypt]

how're you guys even seeing new characters

is the site not actually tracker.gg the domain bc when i go there Rick and Morty aren't even on it

[knotty sage]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/insights

[west cloak]

Your own stats aren’t tracked and are only from the beta

[west cloak]

But global stats are in the link posted here

[neon spire]

Be careful when stomping near the edge so you don't fall off
#clips message

[queen juniper]

Can’t wait to see how they buffed Jason in this hot fix patch copium

[tulip plaza]

they didn't touch him sadly

well in the changelog at least

[queen juniper]

Surely it’ll be in the next patch more copium

[tulip plaza]

I mean like
he NEEDS to be fixed

#clips message

[knotty sage]

like 4 characters got changed and 2 of them it was just a bug fix

[queen juniper]

I’m aware. Y’all not catching onto the delusional sarcasm tho kekw

[tulip plaza]

I actually just lost because the game forced me to dodge in the wrong direction
I dodged right, but the game made me dodge left and I died

[timber cedar]

I need them to stop drip feeding patches

they are barely doing anything

[tulip plaza]

they really do need to drop this big patch soon

and I better see only buffs on jason

[timber cedar]

Velma to

[tulip plaza]

revert her moves back to beta, she needed that laser

[timber cedar]

anyways apparently Uber Jason’s losing animation is him slowly floating off like he’s in space

[acoustic crypt]

they are putting out pretty frequent patches, the only problem is there are just so many issues

[tulip plaza]

like this weird dodging thing that keeps happening to me

and like, so many other things

[timber cedar]

dodges in general don’t really work

like the dodge thing will pop up and I’ll still get hit

it’s infuriating

[knotty sage]

frequent patches of absolutely nothing

[minor radish]

patches that are apparently like 10 gb

[knotty sage]

western game dev moment

[elfin fossil]

Really? Mine was like, 600 mb

[languid harbor]

Omg i thought i was the only one.

[tulip plaza]

looks like its top tier hours again which means jason isn't fun to play
yippeeeeee

[median geyser]

Poor Jason

[steady magnet]

I think Jason's Unstoppable Rage boost should only affect the move actually doing knockback and not things like the first swipe of jab or first hit of up air

💀

[main belfry]

To make it actually really a good thing accomodating the dmg infliction rage needs to not be affected by armor breaking moves, and tank hits that would only stop rage by 2-3% over its grey health before he gets knocked back, in addition to justify it it would need a bigger payoff than a ,,potential" earlier k.o , taking 15% just to kill someone at 60% instead of 70% is not that worth it. Like replenishing health or increasing the damage he deals with it, or change it entirely and just make it a timer based on how long he charges that completely disables knockback, still makes him take normal ddamage but denies any combos from happening on him

[vocal ridge]

how to do play against finn?

do i just lose?

[fading vapor]

Yes

Apply that answer to most of the roster

Welcome to playing Jason

[vocal ridge]

a true shame, only thing i can do is short hop drop side air but he's dash has armour like why....

[fading vapor]

Get really good at parrying. Feels mandatory with Jason 😞

[tulip plaza]

I hate looking back at old recordings I did and seeing jasons manchette just go right through people
like why bother with the slash visual if it doesn't mean anything

#clips message

[rapid cargo]

I feel like is probably an oversight as his character seemed rushed. I hope they fix it in the upcoming patch.

[median geyser]

He's definitely rushed & half baked

[tulip plaza]

this big patch they're hyping up NEEDS to have jason buffs and fixes

[elfin fossil]

Like, for real, my kingdom for even tiny amounts of armor. My Treasury for logical Disjoints

[median geyser]

Doubt it would

[glossy fox]

I feel like down special is almost useless

Maybe I don’t know how to land it, but it’s end lag lasts until the next match

[median geyser]

Very much useless

That needs to be either reworked or get a new move completely

I like the bag but it just not worth it

Including the nair grab

[glossy fox]

I didn’t want to say useless because I haven’t been playing lately enough to say for sure

But yeah, it’s terrible 💀

[median geyser]

You can't fricking confirm kill at 120+ dmg btw

It's ridiculous

[glossy fox]

Oh, that’s good

I’m glad 🗿

[median geyser]

Haha

The bag should've done better but yeah, Jason is half baked currently

[glossy fox]

Would it really like, make him top 5 if I could jab 1 > jab 2 > sleeping bag?

[median geyser]

You can't confirm combo into that

[glossy fox]

I know, that’s what I’m saying

[median geyser]

Not really, coz the dmg isn't worth jt

Like what do you get? Two hits from the bag atleast & deal less dmg with the dudes trying to break out of it

[glossy fox]

Yeah, exactly, just give it to him is my point 😭
Make it have some sort of value

[unique pewter]

The only use for sleeping bag I've found so far is when my teammate is getting ganged up on and the other team is bunched up you can snag them both, but honestly I'd probably just use side air or dash attack instead most times

[median geyser]

Also, they should allow you to cancel the bag holding

[median geyser]

Have some uses in 2s but completely useless in 1s

[unique pewter]

oh yea I'm not using it in 1s lol

[median geyser]

It's like the worst version of IG's grab...

IG's grab has armor & can be cancelled into combos

Which is insane

[median geyser]

I'm a 1s guy & hell no, the bag is useless

[glossy fox]

I WAS SAYING THIS TO SOMEONE LITERALLY RIGHT NOW LOL

[median geyser]

Lmaoooo

[glossy fox]

IG gets to do like, LITERALLY ANYTHING he wants out of it

[unique pewter]

I use the axe grab alot in 1s tho, just because it grabs people off platforms sometimes and you can reposition people with it

[median geyser]

Fr!!!

[median geyser]

I don't use it often for some reason & idk why...

[unique pewter]

It's pretty good over a ledge

[gray gale]

I mean... Even if the enemy can escape it early, it puts them into Jason's preferred state with them approaching him and his huge aerials.
That alone may not make him busted, but considering the options he has out of doing that, it may turn into a constant game of guessing or dying at any percentage.

[unique pewter]

if they dodge wrong you can keep grabbing them over and over and exhaust their recovery options

[median geyser]

It is but prefer using nground instead

[unique pewter]

totally, I mix it up, definitely situational... a bit of a knowledge check because if they panic mash you may be able to just keep grabbing them with it

[median geyser]

You can't do much with the bag aside from slamming & throwing

& holy sh*t! The whiff recovery, slow as hell

[gray gale]

Yeah, but then you throw it into mixup when they try to recover

[median geyser]

Good... I'll try that out

[gray gale]

which Jason thrives at

[median geyser]

They need to sped up that recovery, it's ridiculous seeing Jason need to pull out his machete back completely

I think it's a bug most likely

Unintended bug

[glossy fox]

Yeah, I wouldn’t make this change without tweaking some stuff. I’m not asking to allow him to do it at 0%. I was more referring to the point that it doesn’t have any confirms at all.
He also doesn’t really have the mobility to catch up and hitting above him can be a little tricky.
It’s strong, but he is actually struggling so bad right now, I was just thinking he needs something

[gray gale]

If you wanted to give Jason more routes, they could look into his downtilt, it feels pretty inadequate ngl

[median geyser]

& another thing is armor... he need armors so badly

Why doesn't a fricking tank have armor? He's literally undead

[glossy fox]

I agree, but I’d rather a mid move than a move I can’t even use

[median geyser]

The punch one?

[gray gale]

The stomp

[median geyser]

Oh the stomp yeah

[gray gale]

grounded down attack

[glossy fox]

I know how it is to have a move that is like, worthless to use in a platformer

[median geyser]

Yeah the stomp is fairly useless

[unique pewter]

My biggest issue with him is it just feels like his attacks get "beaten" out by other attacks unless you activated waay earlier than them, I don't know what causes it to feel like that but if he could not get put into hitstun while appearing to hit people with his animation he would feel a lot better imo

[median geyser]

Only good in breaking armor though

[median geyser]

Yeah & his whiff attack animations are insanely slow

[glossy fox]

I don’t mind his whiff attacks being slow

[unique pewter]

If they tweak that a little, again not sure what that entails, he would be in a good place I think

[glossy fox]

Feels like that bit is intentional.
Theres just some other stuff he needs

[median geyser]

He still needs armor though

This tank heavily lacks armor moves

[glossy fox]

Definitely

I think the reason he doesn’t is bc of Unstoppable Rage

[median geyser]

Like his nground axe definitely need armor

[median geyser]

Which is bad trade off...

[glossy fox]

They expect you to pop it often

For sure

[median geyser]

You get 75% dmg back is ridiculous

& it doesn't do much when the opponent is still somewhere 0 to 60

[glossy fox]

It also effectively forces the enemy to play the zoning game vs you

[median geyser]

Yes & if you whiff, boom

[glossy fox]

So you have to stare at them like

🗿

[median geyser]

You get no value but instead the dmg tradeoff back to you

[glossy fox]

From across the map

[median geyser]

Unless you use Mist

Mist doesn't count Rage

[glossy fox]

Bro thinks he’s Lucario or something, wanting to be at higher dmg

[median geyser]

Haha

& the rage attack type move is pretty bad

[glossy fox]

I forget it exists 💀💀💀

[median geyser]

Lmao

[glossy fox]

I sometimes pop it at the end of matches to see the animation

[median geyser]

Hahahahaha!!!

[glossy fox]

That’s how you know it’s bad 😭

[median geyser]

Yeah

[glossy fox]

Does it have armor or something? Spike if your blow him like WW down attack?

[unique pewter]

Hear me out... what if hitting Jason during certain attacks gave him grey health with a reduced permanent damage... so like during sleeping bag or dash attack or ground neutral, you can hit and hurt him but he doesn't get interrupted and gains a bit of grey instead of the full damage

[elfin fossil]

If you got a Marvin who knows™️ you get a kill confirm and I'm unconvinced that isn't a glitch.

Fun tho

[median geyser]

Nope

[glossy fox]

Of course not

[median geyser]

Bruh

[median geyser]

Only the armor from rage, not normal one

[elfin fossil]

It almost feels like they expect you to be raging all the time, but then rage has both cool down and self damage...

[median geyser]

Still can be broken from the armor perk but that also needs to be changed immediately

[glossy fox]

That sounds interesting. Would there be a dmg threshold to it? Like, if he gets hit by a certain amount of dmg, he’ll take the knock back anyways?

[median geyser]

Yeah which is bad tradeoffs

Like WW get some ability buffs but with ZERO tradeoffs

[glossy fox]

I love how Unstoppable Rage is worthless against WW

[median geyser]

Yuh

[median geyser]

This is what I mean

She's no tradeoffs

Unlike Jason where he's forced to take 75% health dmg

[normal holly]

Not to mention the priority

[elfin fossil]

Exactly

[normal holly]

She can use her side special and win every trade

unless against the dash armor break and even then its 50-50

[glossy fox]

I run DA armor break vs WW

[median geyser]

Her sground shield is sheesh!

[glossy fox]

At least I can do something

[unique pewter]

@glossy fox Maybe? probably there would have to be, the damage in my mind would be scaled down and some fraction would turn to grey health, but the real buff is just getting to finish your moves and land your damage, you would end up tanking a lot depending on what was happening on screen, but then even if there was no limit, they could come back from spawn and potentially kill you immediately if you really took huge hits

[glossy fox]

Even then, he’s doing DA for 800 years

Bro doesn’t know how to stop running

[median geyser]

But as long the armor breaking moves don't affect then I'm fine

Grey health shouldn't be affected by armor breaking moves

[glossy fox]

Yeah, pretty much this

The change would be nice, but grey health needs to not evaporate vs armor breaks

[median geyser]

Yeah & IG has it as well right?

[glossy fox]

Grey health?

[median geyser]

Yes

[glossy fox]

Yeah

[median geyser]

Does he get affected by the armor breaking moves as well?

[glossy fox]

HE PROBABLY DOESNT

[median geyser]

visible confusion

[glossy fox]

I WOULDNT BE SURPRISED IF ITS JUST JASON 😭😭

[unique pewter]

Yea give him more ways to ignore hitstun but take damage and make grey health different than armor, I think if they did that, his disadvantage would feel more fair, because you'ld know you have certain moves you could get a kill with

[glossy fox]

Nah, I’m joking lmao

[median geyser]

As I've always said

[glossy fox]

I assume the answer is yes

[median geyser]

He's so half baked & rushed to the point we aren't eating enough

[glossy fox]

Holographic meatloaf

The lake wasn’t enough for Jason

[median geyser]

Nah man, he's been in the gym for almost a decade

He needs some food man

Look how packed he's, I mean damn!

& bro's like five weapons stored

[glossy fox]

Five weapons that take 600 frames to take out

[median geyser]

Machete, Axe, Bed, Bag & Glove

[median geyser]

I'm not sure about the punch he'd but the glove did pack the power

[wide shale]

i'd rather just give him proper disjoints and see how he works

i'd be ok if he remained combo food if he could actually contest attacks and whiff punish people

[normal holly]

I'd like 2 things for Jason: Armor Break on nair and for the axe grab to also hit on the slamming animation

[main belfry]

Armor break on nair?

You have Up B why would you want armor break on nair

[wide shale]

stomp also breaks armor even though nothing says it does

also i swear the bed breaks armor, but it might be because it can multihit

but both the stomp and the bed oneshot the safe, which leads me to beleive they both inherently break armor

[normal holly]

To break the armor of supers camping at ledges, just like WW or FInn have an armor break on nair

[median geyser]

Stomp & Bed properties are very weird

[wide shale]

that's where airwalker upspecial from below them comes in to play

[median geyser]

Like Stomp does the same as Bed does which idu

[normal holly]

that's a bunch of dumb setup for something most characters do by default

[wide shale]

i dont think most characters have an aerial armor breaker

i can think of black adam

unless you're counting the multihit stuff

[normal holly]

wanted to say many, but yes I counted multi too, ww has both the multi and the armor break actually

[median grove]

Most characters do have block armor breaking attacks tho

[normal holly]

I didnt notice this thing you say of stomp breaking armor, but most down armor breakers pale against the quicker aerial ones

Like, when is it better to use Shaggy stomp instead of the quick kicks?

[devout burrow]

I mean

[unique pewter]

I have a load out with the armor break on dash attack, and it helps me a lot during WW and Superman fights

[devout burrow]

utilt effectively breaks armor since it's 2 hits

grounded up special breaks armor

like jason is not weak to armor

[normal holly]

Same, on every single character, just to say how OP and annoying armor on WW is

fact is that Jason dash is so slow and with zero priority I hardly ever get any value from that perk on him

[devout burrow]

2fast2block is a bad perk ye

[normal holly]

I use it to great effect on Stripe tho, it's just that dash attacks have a wild variety of effectiveness

Jason is on the bad side of that

[devout burrow]

even as stripe I'd literally just rather take a perk that does anything

because stripe already does not care about armor

since dynamite and gun break it

[normal holly]

in 2v2 they never expect it and I break ww shared armor on both fools every single time

that's because the dash kick is a good move on its own

jason dash is so bad that even though it block projectiles its slow startup breaks the walking projectile shield perk for a loooong time

you'd rather just walk

[devout burrow]

stripe dash attack isn't really that good

it's just a niche way to sometimes kill the opponent

[normal holly]

but what do I know, I have only 1k wins with him

[devout burrow]

I guess?

like

stripe dash attack is just sort of fine

it's not super difficult to assess it as such

it's a situational anti-air sometimes hits platforms

kills them

like it's not a bad move

but I wouldn't run a perk for it

[normal holly]

look, go to the stripe channel if you have to rebut about everything, I just said it gets more value than Jason dash with that perk

no need to go OT for forty lines of text

[devout burrow]

I like to be thorough

there's a reason I'm good at the game

[normal holly]

not as good at realising when you go OT (or at getting the point of a discussion)

[devout burrow]

ma certo ma chissenefrega

[normal holly]

<@&882349260409032746> wrong language

[devout burrow]

brother

I only said that because I know you specifically understand it

[tulip plaza]

nah thats crazy

[wicked halo]

Lmao

[normal holly]

Btw, I feel like the axe grab could easily deal another hit on the slamming part of the animation.
In 2v2 it feels so bad when you grab a dude and slam it on the other guy but they just stand there and hit you instead.

[main belfry]

thats why jason is better in 1s

because that inconsistancy isnt there

[normal holly]

he could be top tier in 1s and I couldn't care because I dont play that XD

[main belfry]

I dislike 2s a lot so yeah

Hes better in 1s in twos you get pretty much bullied by mediocre players

[wide shale]

sometimes the upspecial will stun the other person in 2's if you hit one of them on the grab part

but yeah the slam should hit the other person too

[main belfry]

yeah for like 0.5 seconds and then they whack you while you slam the opponent with the axe causing it to drop

[wide shale]

i think the hitstun depends on their %, i've had it last long enough sometimes

i love the upspecial in 2's just for its displacement factor

[main belfry]

Equip airwalker

And it becomes the most scary reverse in the game

[devout burrow]

zeb89 be like

[normal holly]

whatever that means, you are not my friend so you don't take any liberty to speak my language and break the rules

[devout burrow]

bro is angy

[normal holly]

you went back at it after an hour, so you are the salty one. go touch some grass

[devout burrow]

meh

I don't need a stinky european to tell me what to do

so on jason

something something good character

[normal holly]

bro is angy

[elfin fossil]

Exactly

[acoustic crypt]

no way he called discord ICE

[normal holly]

there are rules and I undestood what he said and din't like it, so what?

[acoustic crypt]

fed behavior

but how do people who speak other languages feel about English only servers
seems weird, like a "no French" mall or a "no Spanish" airport

[vapid mica]

Well it’s because it requires you to hire bilingual discord mods

So they can communicate with you and understand the language being spoken in chat

Which is hard to come by

[main belfry]

Tbf english is like the most spoken language in the World and comparatively easy to pickup so i get why its a Confinement to it

[acoustic crypt]

are there any jasons available for 1v1s

(i play jake)

[elfin fossil]

Give any of Jason's down airs armor and QoL skyrockets

[normal holly]

I still don't get why WW can have armor AND share it on a simple cooldown while Jason has like six gimmicks tied to that pseudo armor.

[elfin fossil]

I can't even say "They were worried he'd be broken like Wonder woman" because they've yet to fix any of Wondies nonsense

[normal holly]

I mean, he has the cooldown too, but on top of that has to trade health, one move limit, only as long as grey health lasts...

doesn't even share the power up or something, even just fury could do

[devout burrow]

it would be so much more powerful than ww

[elfin fossil]

I cannot believe that till I see it.

[devout burrow]

to give jason luke

straight up armor

[elfin fossil]

I just want my options when juggled to expand

[devout burrow]

rage mode is like

legitimately an insane tool

what I fear they might do in fact

is that they ignore jason's problems

and turn him into a ragebot

because that's what devs sometimes do

[elfin fossil]

It is, because it gives armor. Honestly, I can kill without it, I would trade the damage and Knockback boosts for more armor, I'm tired of all my moves feeling like all clear to hit signs rather than threats to be avoided when I play against faster chars.

And you lose it on whiff

[scenic lagoon]

Is there a Jason discord server? If so, can someone ping me the link please

[neon spire]

Behold, a perfectly designed hitbox:
#clips message

[tulip plaza]

I see that hitbox and I am reminded of this moment

#clips message

[neon spire]

She's just built different

[languid harbor]

I do it for the memes in 1v1. Especially hilarious on Iron Giant when you get him and slam him. Shakes the whole stage lol

[rapid cargo]

@muted spire GG

[minor radish]

You end up in a match with him?

[muted spire]

You're stalking me?

[muted spire]

Pretty much decided to call quits.

[rapid cargo]

yeee, usually just type a player's name in discord. See if they're in

[queen juniper]

Full charge rage, walk one direction, turn around and walk a few steps the opposite direction, fast turn back to original direction while charging axe has gotten me so many double ringouts it’s wild

[median geyser]

They don't reach the tip of the blade as someone said

[tulip plaza]

which is insane

[wide shale]

yep...he has GIGANTIC hurtboxes around his hands, which is why he loses every clash

actually just making jab active one frame sooner would help a ton, currently there's a frame where he just sticks his hand out to get hit first

[median geyser]

Also he's very slow whiff slashing tbh

[wide shale]

it also doesnt hit small characters inside of him

[neon spire]

Air neutral special (grab)
#clips message
Blue is hurtbox, red is hitbox

[wide shale]

oh that's the neutral air special

[neon spire]

My bad

[wide shale]

but still, a bunch of his moves extend his hurtbox beyond his hitbox

such as, down air, aerial up special

[neon spire]

Yeah huge hurtboxes

[elfin fossil]

Agony

[wide shale]

the third jab/grab too, but it's not as extreme as the neutral air special

[median geyser]

Bro is cooked

Cooked to the ground

[neon spire]

What has poor Jason done to deserve this?

[median geyser]

Rushed to hell

Half baked

[neon spire]

He never hurt a soul*
PFG why?

[wide shale]

the nair is better than i thought actually, it's one of the least offending hitboxes

[median geyser]

9 years of absence man

9 years & he returned to sh*t

[median geyser]

The axe one? It was a'ight yeah

[wide shale]

yeah the swinging axe

[neon spire]

PFG is on the sinful campers agenda, they want to keep Voorhees down

[median geyser]

If they didn't finish Voorhees then idek like what they doing with him tbh

[knotty sage]

wait how are we able to see hitboxes?

[wide shale]

bed is weird, there's some frames where the bed has collapsed, but he only has hurtboxes, the hitboxes activate a few frames later

[median geyser]

Like why getting him in the first place

[wide shale]

someone showed how in clips in the last hour or so

[median geyser]

That guy said in some sort of coding system

[knotty sage]

ig we have proof of why PFG doesnt let us see hitboxes

[median geyser]

The worst is that they don't show us ping either

Like I keep getting disconnected from the match many times due to lag

Like c'mon, I want to see the ping from the game

[tulip plaza]

I remember back in the beta, it was kinda funny
anytime the ping bar was orange (like 2/3 bars) the match would always be good
but if it was green (3/3) or of course red (1/3) it would be all laggy
my internet was good enough to stay in that orange range that was for some reason the best connection lol

[wide shale]

#clips message

Jason framedata ^

can download and slow it down frame by frame in a video player to see clearly

[cloud frigate]

Is Jason the only character who has this annoying bug where he dodges in the completely opposite direction you press sometimes??

[muted dove]

Bro is so damn stubby

[median geyser]

Judging by how slow he is compare to most of the characters, I'd say it's very wacky sometimes

Also

Do all characters have same movement speed except Jason & IG?

[honest yoke]

no

[median geyser]

Assassins have fastest movement speed right?

[honest yoke]

not necessarily

arya's movement speed is surprisingly low

[median geyser]

Idk if it's just me but yeah most characters move the same for me

[knotty sage]

so its not that he has hurtboxes on his weapons, its that his hand hurtbox extends halfway up the damn thing

[tulip plaza]

this happens to me all the time, and really only as Jason

[median geyser]

It's due to most likely slow movement or something like that

Like he's some of the most wacky movements I seen

[glossy fox]

💀💀💀

[glossy fox]

Definitely not. I play Sups, LeBron and Jason. I can feel the difference between all of them.
I play Stripe on the side, too and he’s significantly quicker than the other 3 I mainly play

[west cloak]

Taz is so much faster than every other character it’s insane to go from him to a character like Jason

But the movement speed difference still very noticeable when swapping to literally any other character

[ionic igloo]

YESS IM NOT THE ONLY ONE

JASON IS SUCH. A DESIGNED CHARACTER/neg

[main belfry]

,,Catch people in jasons sleeping bag"

Is my daily

bro do you know what youre asking me for game

[west cloak]

I believe you can hit air down special and it also counts

Or you can just go into rifts on easy mode

[main belfry]

Rifts count for quest progress?

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

You can bag the robot boss in techno terror and it crashes the game

[ionic igloo]

yo uhhhh have people complained about air down special yet

can i do the honor of doing so

[glossy fox]

ITS BOTTOM 1 LMAO

[ionic igloo]

like

the dive is like

the dive is jasons best move

the lunge however

is like

[glossy fox]

Oh the air one

[ionic igloo]

if it wernt for the generous ass hitbox

[glossy fox]

Yeah, the lung is whatever

[ionic igloo]

the lunge is SO DAMN BAD

[glossy fox]

I thought we were talking about bag for .2 seconds

[ionic igloo]

AND I KEEP MISINPUTING IT

[glossy fox]

He has 0 armor

[knotty sage]

do it in rifts it counts

[main belfry]

#clips observe

[ionic igloo]

I WANT THE DIVE TO BOUNCE FOR COMBOS

BUT THEN I DO THE LUNGE

AND IN THE WORDS OF LEON MASSADY

"Jasons Lunge puts you back in neutral wher-where your losing!"

[main belfry]

Jason neutral?

That doesnt exist silly

its kill or be killed

There is no neutral in that character

[ionic igloo]

jason neutral is uh

pray!

[wide shale]

if you dive from the height of the apex of jasons normal jump, you wont get the lunge

[knotty sage]

if you hit the dive and lunge its a pretty decent kill move

[ionic igloo]

*if it hits

[wide shale]

you can also immediately dodge after landing just the dive and follow up with anything

[ionic igloo]

you can?

[wide shale]

yeah but positioning is tricky

[ionic igloo]

I feel like it shouldnt be this hard

[main belfry]

i mean really the lunge combos at around 20% onward

so its not that unlikely

[ionic igloo]

i jusy

man

how did this get by

[astral terrace]

To The Jason I Fought 5 Times, I’m Really Sorry If I Was Annoying.

[main belfry]

Yes you were
it wasnt me but you probably were

[astral terrace]

Were You Ferrob?

Because If You Were, GG Wp.

[main belfry]

No i didnt even play

Thats why i said it wasnt me

[astral terrace]

Ah Ok.

[queen juniper]

Kekw

[elfin fossil]

Yup. It's great

[west cloak]

If it doesn’t specifically say “PvP” then yeah

[elfin fossil]

Honestly, I keep catching people with the lunge and using it to put them into the corner.

[elfin fossil]

Your prayers are answered, and you hard read the opponent like an open book, resulting in a trade that the opponent uses to combo you (you are too slow to do the same)

[neon spire]

No way, lol 😂

[ancient wraith]

jason solidarity is my favorite thing ever

every time i match with another jason we always toast each other

never fails

[tulip plaza]

the only time I don't is cus I ran out of toast pff

[ancient wraith]

unrelated note. i hit 500 jason wins today!

please buff this character

[rapid cargo]

i can't get over the hitbox visuals posted earlier lmao

[ancient wraith]

wait where are those i wanna see

nvm found em

literally sobbing at jab 2 man PLEASE

[wide shale]

if they just shrink those GIGANTIC hurtboxes around his hands he could do a bit better

i'll share again so people dont have to dig
#clips message

[rapid cargo]

[rapid cargo]

Someone should tweet PFG or post to Reddit. Changes could make it to next patch if PFG hasn't already caught wind

[wide shale]

fingers crossed the next major patch actually just fixes some of that stuff

[mental oar]

jason has awful end lag but that doesnt mean he cant kill quickly

cant remember who said it in here but they said that he's pretty bad in 1v1s, most of my wins come from 1v1s

really fun playing as em even if he needs some tweaks

[wide shale]

he's just really bad at neutral and in disadvantage

but in advantage he can just kill you off one reaad

[mental oar]

didnt know there was a clips channel this is helpful

[wide shale]

i love that the jason thread has 10.6k messages and there isnt a single other character thread that even breaks 5k

[neon spire]

Lots of talking for a silent killer

[chrome sluice]

i used jason at the start but quit playing him

i tried him again and now remember why i quit him in the first place 😭

[elfin fossil]

There's a lot to say.

Also, he's peak, he just needs help getting there

[chrome sluice]

aaaah idk

peak is an overstatement

if you mean "needs help getting there" as in 2v2s i get what you're saying

he's not bad in 2v2s, i'd even argue to say he's pretty good

not the case for 1v1s though.. 😅

[elfin fossil]

Yeah I know, I'm just glazing

I have tons of fun with him but damn it's a struggle. Sweat more playing him than going for a jog in summer.

[chrome sluice]

i rarely win matches with jason. he just feels sluggish and underperforming

but on the other hand i see a ton of clips where jason does these crazy combos and kills at like 20

maybe its me? i dont know

[elfin fossil]

You gotta know where you're moves are gonna hit, and be in that slow method mindset.

You'll figure it out

I believe in you

[unique pewter]

I win a fair amount with him, but I prefer 2s and I’m fighting stun lock the whole time… if he gets any meaningful buffs I think he’ll be in a good place

If you’re patient and don’t panic you can get some good kills to make up for how much you don’t touch the ground lol… but it’s an uphill battle for sure

[chrome sluice]

i always go for obvious dairs (sometimes sairs). that or ill jab a ton

i mean im not sure which other approach options i have

[icy raptor]

What's the best solo Jason perk?

[hexed jacinth]

I always do well rounded

[rapid cargo]

jason is pretty round

[unique pewter]

Honestly, and I think this is true of any character, you want to get to the point where you know their kit so well you aren’t really thinking “try side air” your brain just goes oh I can axe grab here, oh I can dodge out and dash attack back in, I have time to grey health into bed crunch… a lot of his kit becomes viable if you are better at reading the distances and start your attack early enough

[hexed jacinth]

that's true

[unique pewter]

Which ones are the solo ones again?

[devout burrow]

I think he means 1s

[icy raptor]

I meant more the Jason specific ones

[devout burrow]

signature

oh yea

[icy raptor]

Or should I stick with well rounded

[devout burrow]

they're both bad

play well rounded

[icy raptor]

Got it

[unique pewter]

I use the 5% one and I’ve seen people do some wild things when they’re good with the “behind you” one or whatever it’s called… it’s telegraphed but you can be annoying with it, and I’ve seen people use it to save themselves from hitting the blast zone since it stops all momentum and puts you whereever the enemy is

[median geyser]

Monstrous Sidestep?

[elfin fossil]

Yeah, this.

I've gotten really good at Axe grabbing people who thought wrong about where I was gonna go. Sometimes it isn't even a trade from me hitting their whiffed attack before they can dodge again XD

[chrome sluice]

dunno why but even if im trying i kind of default/autopilot to "im in the air so ill either dodge or dair"

[acoustic crypt]

for all the bosses I can I just suicide kill them with garnet

[unique pewter]

I honestly don’t down air a ton, unless they’re over the edge… if I’m above them on the ground and they’re not already hitting me I’m either side air attacking or whatever that move is where when you hit the ground you swing again

My hands can do it but I don’t remember what input it is lol

[elfin fossil]

Down air special has an additional hit of you hit ground doing it

[queen juniper]

What’s with all these wannabe noobie Jason players that all showed up online today? I’m dunking on them and they are straight up not having a good time kekw

[minor radish]

Putting the newer players in their place?

[queen juniper]

Absolutely

It is my duty as a veteran Jason main

🫡

[west cloak]

I managed to find a random Jason as a partner in 2v2 and we absolutely pulverized a Bugs and T&J

They accepted the rematch and lost even harder

[queen juniper]

Good work soldier 🫡

You better have toasted that Jason

[west cloak]

Of course

I just recently unlocked the Jason moonwalk which is why I was playing him more today

[fading vapor]

Rage, bait with moonwalk, profit

[ancient wraith]

#clips message

PLAYER FIRST GAMES!!!! BUFF JASON IN THE NEXT PATCH AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!!!!

[tulip plaza]

so true

[icy raptor]

so whats jason's gameplan for neutral?

[tulip plaza]

peer into your crystal ball to see what your opponent is going to do and maybe counter it if jason decides to function for you

[icy raptor]

so i gotta be telepathic, got it

[ionic igloo]

jason is a character

WHO HAS MORE DISJOINTS?

7 FOOT TALL KILLER WITH A MACHETE
OR
Shaggys Right Foot

[icy raptor]

lmaooo

[dark sapphire]

Idk man, shaggy stretches

[west cloak]

Tbf Shaggy has done quite a lot of running from always being the bait for the monster of the week, so he’s probably got some pretty crazy legs ngl

[wide shale]

shaggy used to run track, actual lore

[median geyser]

Shaggy always like running & doing a kick like a coward

[west cloak]

I mean yeah bad players will just spam Shaggy kick

[median geyser]

Not really...

Most good players will also spam

Then mix in with the upper super punch or something like that

& ofc, sometimes they gonna do three hits combos

[ionic igloo]

i dont understand people who tbag jason bro

its so stupid

[median geyser]

Imagine tbagging the worst character in the game

[tulip plaza]

you don't understand, that WW player who beat the jason REALLY deserved to tbag

[unique pewter]

dude I got out of a match with a Marvin earlier who was teabagging the whole time, literally every second we weren't engaged in combat, and he wasn't even winning by much, like he got the first kill but it came down to last stock ultimately... some people just want your salty tears... don't give them to them

Also, played a Jason earlier that was god tier... he knew all the distances on his hitboxes so well, he was hitting me with the tippy tip of the neutral air grab and it was like his finger grazing me every time and i just got yoinked into his fist from what looked like a safe distance lol

Toasted him after he destroyed me

[ionic igloo]

were you playing steven?

[ionic igloo]

jasons neutral attack should be given fins property

like, moving freely while charging the attack

[unique pewter]

Nah I kinda suck with Steven lol… I try to be good with him but he doesn’t really come naturally to me

[steady magnet]

I agree, I'll parry someone (miraculously) and if I try charging axe I'll end up walking past them

[queen juniper]

I have fully ascended I am now a level 15 Jason master

[devout burrow]

ginormous

[chrome sluice]

not exaggerating when i say jason is one of the worst characters in this game 👍

dudes got literally nothing besides good kill potential and thats if you can land his awful frame data moves

not sure why people play him tbh

just came here to ask: why?

[knotty sage]

Killing people in like 2 smacks feels good

[chrome sluice]

yeah but remeber what you have to do before those 2 smacks

[tropic eagle]

I find him really fun and i love the Friday movies.

[chrome sluice]

understandable

[acoustic crypt]

which did u like more
Friday, next Friday, or Friday after next

[tropic eagle]

The first one. Classic.

As for the 13th, part 3 is my favorite.

[west cloak]

Oh? Jason doesn’t have the lowest win rate anymore

It’s now Jake

Jason still has the second lowest win rate tho ☠️

[tropic eagle]

Makes sense. I've been playing Jake recently and he's kinda bootycheeks.

[west cloak]

He just has zero kill power in a game where everyone just explodes

[tropic eagle]

He just feels bad to play. Doesn't have much impact on moves unlike the rest of the cast.

[west cloak]

And he has no projectiles to make up for his kill power

Sure he has charged sair, but that’s really slow and you can still hit his hand and he takes full knockback

[tropic eagle]

Like you'd expect side air to have some big impact cause it's a big move, but it just feels like smacking your opponent with a pool noodle.

[west cloak]

I was playing Jake a few days ago and people were living fully charged sweetspot sair at like 120 lmao

[tropic eagle]

Yep. Just tragic.

[timber narwhal]

I love horror

that's it

[knotty sage]

Doesn't matter, the 2 smacks make up for it

[tropic eagle]

Although, i've realized, Jake's ground up normal has pretty good power.

[unique pewter]

I love Jake’s moveset, I just wish he felt good too lol… eating people is fun

[fallen terrace]

Ollie Ollie eat is my go to bnb with Jake. I even Jakecided with it one time.

Jason moonwalk taunt too op

[timber cedar]

I like the character

that’s the whole reason I play him

[dire violet]

Anyone know how to do this "B-Reverse" type move? https://streamable.com/v9jvts I only did it on accident but can't figure out how to actually do it

[tulip plaza]

I think he's fun to play, like ganon in smash is fun but still kinda bad
I have plenty of fun with jason, when I don't get matched a 24/7 top tier main of course

[timber cedar]

got matched with a Velma into 2 wonder womans

[chrome sluice]

least favorite mu as jason?

for me

[timber cedar]

we never stood a chance

[chrome sluice]

its either t&j

or arya

[timber cedar]

joker probably

he’s got the mix of zoning and combos to make your life a living hell

[chrome sluice]

understandable

[tulip plaza]

tom and jerry and arya are always awful
I also hate morty and steven because the only people really playing them are, like I mention all the time, 24/7 sweats so they know the character inside and out

[chrome sluice]

you really gotta play around your armor with the joker mu

with the arya mu

might as well forget about armor 😄

[timber cedar]

Jason’s armor is kinda terrible

[chrome sluice]

the armor move

[timber cedar]

one whiff and your cooked

[chrome sluice]

the gray health

[timber cedar]

yea

[chrome sluice]

meanwhile

ww tanks

like

everything

😭

[timber cedar]

ww pushes a button and gets free armor

[chrome sluice]

and if she whiffs a move

shes not punished for it

??

[timber cedar]

we gotta damage ourselves and make damn sure we don’t whiff

[tulip plaza]

jasons armor should always last until you hit a move
I don't think that's a crazy thing to ask for lol

[timber cedar]

maybe make it drain slowly over like 10-20 seconds

[chrome sluice]

it shouldn't be broken as easily as it does

[timber cedar]

and then remove the damage you take

or half it

and it doesn’t go away on whiff

[chrome sluice]

his armor is just.. really mid imo

its either saving you 70% of work

or you're dying

[tulip plaza]

his armor should be busted, I mean isn't that jasons whole thing lol

[chrome sluice]

1 of 2 ways no in between 😭

[chrome sluice]

jason is the complete opposite

low frame data

slow moves

only thing hes got going for him is good (mostly vertical) kill potential

[timber cedar]

even then that’s extremely common rn

even vertically

[chrome sluice]

well not only that, but most people have already figured out the jason mu front and center

so you're not gonna land a most of your up specials anymore

good thing about up special is that it can sometimes catch people off guard with how slow it comes out

but even then that doesnt happen too often

[timber cedar]

joker, ww, Harley, ba, Arya, bugs

all of them kill well vertically

[chrome sluice]

wish i could say the same about marvin 🙏

dude

ever since i touched marvin

mvs is a whole new game

[timber cedar]

Jason you gonna read a dodge and pray that up tilt and up air actually work

[timber cedar]

Marvin is peak character design

[tulip plaza]

I've mentioned before but Marvin was my beta main the second he dropped, I'm trying to play a variety but jason and marvin I got back to often

[timber cedar]

probably one of the best designed characters being up there with lebron

[chrome sluice]

i respect lebron mains 100%

[timber cedar]

I wanna be a lebron main but I don’t got the time to figure him out

[chrome sluice]

i didnt even know he had a pass ability when i played him 😭

not the pass ability

the one where he likes

uhh idk

throws it behind him?

[timber cedar]

backhand throw?

[chrome sluice]

yea

[tulip plaza]

while it was kinda crazy, I liked that the basketball could hit multiple times when the full launch happened, it was crazy that if was infinite but I think it was unnecessary to put it back to one

[timber cedar]

I’ve said this before but each ball should only hit twice

still gives him great stage control without the infinite

[tulip plaza]

a friend of my actually considered picking lebron up when the ball hit infinitely, but I told him it wasn't gonna last and I was right

[timber cedar]

why’d lebron get nerfed and ww is perfectly fine

[tulip plaza]

because WW is a dev favorite probably

[timber cedar]

nakat favorite

and I’m pretty sure he’s got a major hand in balance

[west cloak]

Not only that but iirc she doesn’t even take any damage when hit while her armor is active unlike literally every other character with armor

[tulip plaza]

I mean, untouched since her evo win in 2022
that's no coincidence, she's a favorite, and not just with nakat I have to imagine

[timber cedar]

I’m praying on Wonder woman’s downfall

I’m so sick of her

[west cloak]

Like if you hit Steven while he’s bubble shielding or Superman charging ground moves then they take full damage

WW just doesn’t and then she also gets a free hit

[timber cedar]

that feels like that should be a global armor thing honestly

[tulip plaza]

its still so crazy to me that nakat was basically like "well I can beat her so she's balanced" like bro I could beat a 3 year old playing his first video game too, WW is a problem

[west cloak]

You should absolutely take full damage for using armor

The trade off is you take no knockback and therefore get a free hit or combo

[timber cedar]

Nakat is THE example of just because he’s a evo winner does not mean he’s got good balance takes

[west cloak]

The fact that WW armor also just straight up removes all debuffs is also insane in certain matchups

[timber cedar]

he’s the biggest down player I’ve ever seen

he said ww was bad literally all of beta

[west cloak]

Oh yeah Nakat knows WW is strong but easily downplays her

Like outside of IG having multiple infinites, WW is the best character in the game

[timber cedar]

I agree but what I meant was pfg was saying that were gonna change armor to have reduced damage on hit

[west cloak]

She just does everything well and has literally zero flaws

[tulip plaza]

if she isn't nerfed in this next patch, the game might actually die
I sound like a twitter user here but I really do feel like their lack of action on all these top tiers is killing interest, cus I'm one of em, even when I play a top tier I still get demolished by other top tiers cus they grind 24/7 and I don't lol

[west cloak]

Not necessary imo. Armor spam is already very very strong

[west cloak]

They did mention her and Joker in the previous patch notes

But they completely forgot about Steven

Dude is a menace and PFG is completely ignoring him

[timber cedar]

oh god please nerf Steven

[tulip plaza]

I hate steven will all my guts

he's the only character I refuse to play

[timber cedar]

that mf had a infinite with one move

[west cloak]

Why does he have like Smash MK uair frame data with a sweetspot that kills at 60

[west cloak]

Short hop triple dair

[tulip plaza]

I mean until the game forces me to play him for battlepass xp or something
but until then, he stays level 0

[timber cedar]

one to two button combos literally shouldn’t be in the game

[west cloak]

Agreed

[timber cedar]

like taz jab 1-2 to n-ground

or all of bugs

[west cloak]

The whole issue is they removed attack decay and replaced it with stale moves

There is zero penalty for spamming the same move

[timber cedar]

bring back attack decay and remove the sound it made

[west cloak]

And all it’s led to is half the cast having extended combos or infinites

[timber cedar]

attack decay is a necessary evil

[west cloak]

It also doesn’t help that when moves are stale, they have less knockback and therefore combo for longer

[tulip plaza]

in actual jason existence
I played with a friend a few days ago, we were going character to character but I played Jason and he played Iron Giant, I found out that when jason uses his inner rage, it gives both us thorns cus thats an iron giant thing, it was kinda neat to learn

[timber cedar]

the game is so poorly balanced it is needed to prevent stupid as combos and infinites

[timber cedar]

oh right this is a Jason channel

I forgot again

[tulip plaza]

its easy to forget

[west cloak]

Unfortunately Jason doesn’t get armor if his teammate gives him gray health which directly goes against what his passive states

[tulip plaza]

not that it ever seems to matter anyways pfft

[timber cedar]

this game lies a lot in moveset lists

like just flat out not telling you about moves

like Morty whip

[tulip plaza]

but mostly the gaining IG thorns thing was the fun thing I wanted to point out
dunno if it actually helped much but we were nearly undefeated

[timber cedar]

honestly considering that both characters get comboed easily it’s fine

[west cloak]

Getting like 8 gray health from a teammate which would grant Jason straight up WW levels of armor unless someone dealt more than 8 damage in a single attack but without the massive kill power buff would make him a lot better in certain team comps

[timber cedar]

just let Jason have something man

[tulip plaza]

like fixed hitboxes

please PFG fix them

[timber cedar]

jab 2 hitbox makes me sad

what is that

where is that video with hitbox data for Jason

anyone got a link

[west cloak]

Lemme see if I can find this old post

To show how bad Jason hitboxes are

[timber cedar]

all the new characters feel rushed honestly

joker is joker

[tulip plaza]

I had my own post that gave me pain

[timber cedar]

bg is a shaggy clone

and Jason has so many flaws

[minor radish]

Leave it to me to unknowingly main the bottom two characters

[tulip plaza]

#clips message

[timber cedar]

the machete is dull there

and not existing

[tulip plaza]

oh yeah, there was also this

#clips message

[timber cedar]

shhh

be quiet about the ax

knowing pfg they would only fix that hitbox

[tulip plaza]

"well see jason is fine as is, but we needed to fix this, btw we buffed WW cus nakat said so"

[timber cedar]

didn’t nakat stop making content for the game in season 2

holy hell I can’t English

[west cloak]

#clips message

Hitbox visualizations

[tulip plaza]

there they are
in all their glory

[timber cedar]

bro

that’s barely on the damn Machete

how do you mess that up so badly

[tulip plaza]

no wonder they haven't let us have visualization in training yet, I swear that was a thing the mentioned in the middle of the beta they would do

[timber cedar]

they forgot about it

[west cloak]

#clips message

[tulip plaza]

not only mess it up like that, but willingly leave it like that too

[west cloak]

This one is the most egregious

[timber cedar]

like how they forgot about releasing a character every 2 weeks

[west cloak]

You see the blue? That’s Jason’s hurtbox

[timber cedar]

it’s been 3

what the hell

just what the hell

disjointed hitbox in the worst way possible

[tulip plaza]

I remember when marvin dropped in the beta, I wasn't upset they didn't drop any new characters, I mean no one was officially announced so it was like whatever
but this time its different because we know agent smith is supposed to be coming

[west cloak]

Yeah, Jason is like the only character to have a disjointed hurtbox lmao

[timber cedar]

man I would take aquaman at this point

at least it’s something new

honestly aquaman might be the next character because of shark week

[west cloak]

There’s several more leaked characters that you can easily find out who if you look it up

[timber cedar]

this game gets leaked every week somehow

[tulip plaza]

well I meant officially
leaks aren't what they want us to see yet

but yeah

[timber cedar]

yea

[west cloak]

Because the security of the game is astonishingly not that great

[timber cedar]

leaks said rwby was coming to the game

but with rooster teeth being dead I doubt it heavily

[west cloak]

At least in terms of what you can see and change in the game’s code

[tulip plaza]

also, I remember seeing all those smash hitbox videos for dlc and what not, I think PFG needs to take at least some notes
mostly on hurtboxes fixed right to the body and also sometimes becoming intangible on moves, like jason, I feel like a lot of his swings or whatever, make at least his upper arm intangible or something

and make the hitboxes at least fit the visuals
don't give us a swing effect if it means nothing

[west cloak]

Intangible limbs is absolutely something that should be added

[timber cedar]

on everyone but Wonder Woman

[west cloak]

You can so easily be clipped just by sticking out a random limb

[west cloak]

Anyone with a sword (Finn and Arya too)

[tulip plaza]

I feel like intangible limbs are a must
maybe not on jakes long punch but that might also need, or at least make it take damage but no knockback?
not a balance expert but some characters really do need intangible limbs

[west cloak]

And Banana Guard

[timber cedar]

Jake honestly needs it rn

[west cloak]

Jake has zero kill power

[timber cedar]

not on s-air but on everything else

[west cloak]

And you can hit his stretchy limbs and he takes full knockback

[tulip plaza]

I don't remember how good some characters are, but yeah jake probably will need intangible limbs
min min ah forward air

[west cloak]

Like in a game where everyone kills at 60-80, Jake can’t kill until like 130 minimum

[west cloak]

The sweetspots on his moves should be intangible

So like intangible fist on sair, intangible axe on utilt, and intangible mace on uair

You could still hit his arm

[timber cedar]

yea

[west cloak]

Just not the tip of his fist

[timber cedar]

he still needs a trade off for the massive hitboxes

[west cloak]

His current trade off is that none of them kill besides sweetspot utilt and uair

And uair 2 I should say because uair 1 has no knockback

[timber cedar]

just least his uair combos into uair into uair 2

[west cloak]

Well you see, Jason’s often doesn’t because each hit of his uair are only active for one frame

[timber cedar]

one of Jason’s buff is making u-air 1 like vacuum into u-air 2

[timber cedar]

one?

[west cloak]

Yep

[timber cedar]

only one?

[west cloak]

One frame per hit

[timber cedar]

no wonder the move feels clunky

[west cloak]

It doesn’t even need this. Just make it have like 2-3 active frames per hit and that’ll instantly improve its consistency

[timber cedar]

honestly I could go on all day about the changes I would make to Jason

[west cloak]

He needs help

Second worst win rate only behind Jake

[timber cedar]

actually that sounds fun

lemme boot up google docs

[tulip plaza]

bros about to cook

[timber cedar]

100 page document coming up

and I’m ready a bit stumped