Jason

[main belfry]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/profile/wb/62dc062fe27cf366fdcfcd59/overview

its so goofy nothing i actually play is shown for me on there

[honest yoke]

It just shows the Finn icon for Jason

[main belfry]

execpt the batman thing, that actually was me in the beta

[main belfry]

even then its wrong

[acoustic crypt]

when is the maintenance over

[devout burrow]

all I care about is my moves functioning

like

why does utilt fall out

why does my side b sometimes decide to just

not kill

why does uair fall out

why does my jab combo fall out against arya

[acoustic crypt]

you didn't get the memo? they have to lay on top of, fluff their pillows, and get a full night's rest on the bed if you want them to not drop out

[devout burrow]

and now I can't even call the last one a skill issue because they removed the route that would be guaranteed to work on her

like

just give jason the QoL that every other character has

let my moves hit inside me

do you know how many times I've lost to my character outright not functioning as stripe in the 50 or so games I've played in the past day?

none

I've lost more games as Jason to jank in bracket and I've played like 15 bracket games

[ancient wraith]

JASON BUFFS

hes still got no disjoints but REJOICE

[west cloak]

His “buff” is hardly anything

[main belfry]

yeah

But hey it makes gizmo instead of 9-1 a 8-2

[west cloak]

I was really hoping for more than just dash attack being projectile invincible

[ancient wraith]

man im trying to be positive about it

[honest yoke]

Jason got nerfed

[main belfry]

hes gonna be like Pig in dbd

where even if they buff her they nerf her

[west cloak]

I mean, tbf other characters did get nerfed a bit, so Jason should be very slightly better in comparison

[main belfry]

So you say we rise from the F tier to the C tier

got it

[west cloak]

But uhh no WW or Joker nerfs is kind of a big L tbh

I know they said they’d address it in a later patch but like come on

[ancient wraith]

all i really need is disjoints and working multihits please player first games

[honest yoke]

WW matchup wasn't that bad tbh unless she loops you

[knotty sage]

ww is apparently getting nerfed next patch (read 1 frame of endlag on her slowest move)

[west cloak]

WW has had the best win rate ever since IG was removed

[ancient wraith]

jason’s probably always gonna be bad just make the character work 😭

[main belfry]

im still gonna play him

ive been too focussed on him to stop lol

[ancient wraith]

oh absolutely

[honest yoke]

Giving him actual disjoints would make him so much better

[ancient wraith]

i love playing jason even if he sucks i just would like to have working moves

[main belfry]

tbf

i never had that issue with not working multihits except for nair

not nair

Up air

but thats because you have to steer it and i dont always properly do that

[honest yoke]

Yeah I don't feel like up air is supposed to guarantee both hits

[main belfry]

Also what if we change Rage for a parry where he just gutpunches you

[ancient wraith]

well i feel like if it wasn’t the first hit should actually be useful without the second

[chrome sluice]

ooh jasons dash can block projecties now

[main belfry]

yeah thats true

[honest yoke]

Is Jason's neutral special while he has rage worth using ever

I've never tried to use it in an actual match since it just seems bad

[ancient wraith]

parrying an attack with rage causes jason to immediately kill the opponent. this is a reference to the movie Friday the 13th, in which Jason Voorhees kills people

[main belfry]

They could make his uair his current uair special and make his up special a captain falcon kinda deal where he swings up with the axe and throws people down he hits with it

would give it unique property and fix the multihit issue

[ancient wraith]

not worth it. use literally any other move while raged

[main belfry]

in order to make jason feel better being near him now kills you

instantly

[ancient wraith]

B tier

[honest yoke]

Yeah I figured

[main belfry]

Probably yeah lol

[honest yoke]

Why use that over mist step in any situation

[main belfry]

Memes

imagine tournament setting

and you kil him with the roar

this man is gonan be depressed

[ancient wraith]

does roar even kill ever

[main belfry]

maybe idk

[ancient wraith]

i haven’t bothered testing it

[acoustic crypt]

you got 3-5 business days before dash attack starts up, just pray gizmo doesn't shoot an arrow at you between then

[honest yoke]

It does eventually

Way later than any of your regular kill moves though

[acoustic crypt]

it only exists to accidentally waste rage

proper balance

[ancient wraith]

i think dash invulnerability might pair nicely with protective momentum

[honest yoke]

They should make roar drain the opponent's dodge meter

[ancient wraith]

it exists to use after the game is over as a secret taunt most people have never seen before

[main belfry]

or make roar give enemy 3 stacks of weakened

i mean seriously if you already get hit by it be frightened

[ancient wraith]

make it inflict them with bark for the rest of the game

[acoustic crypt]

weakened + Jason goes crazy

[main belfry]

its just a move you dont do a lot

[acoustic crypt]

that 100% + weakened perk carries me

[main belfry]

so giving it a actual use would be nice

[honest yoke]

Being burnt out against Jason is 1000x worse than being weakened against jason

[ancient wraith]

crazy idea before i leave chat

using roar gives your teammate extra gray health

kind of niche/useless but cool

okay now i disappear

[honest yoke]

I think it would also be cool if they made roar knockback scale on how much damage you took in rage

[timber cedar]

what on earth were they cooking with that dash attack buff

[honest yoke]

So if you eat a big attack and then roar it kills

[knotty sage]

they wanted to say they buffed jason without actually buffing him

[honest yoke]

They wanted to say they buffed Jason while nerfing him

[acoustic crypt]

pretty much bc the projectiles shield perk already did that 10x better

[timber cedar]

don’t most Jason’s already run the projectile shield perk anyway

[acoustic crypt]

idk if it's really faster but it's more convenient to just start walking than to throw out a dash attack to eat a projectile

[honest yoke]

It's definitely not faster if you instant dash attack

[timber cedar]

but then your most likely gonna get whiff punished for doing the dash attack

[honest yoke]

Yeah you are

Which is the problem with it

Barely gonna be useful against anyone

[inner lodge]

It will if it works the same was as the walking perk

[timber cedar]

they didn’t even say they were gonna buff him in a future patch

[acoustic crypt]

He is the line they want to bring everyone down to

[timber cedar]

this game will die if they do that honestly

[inner lodge]

Wait, is that what it means? I thought it was the opposite, specifically not allowing you to jab > dodge > jab again

[honest yoke]

It should be preventing jab dodge jab again

Unless I'm misunderstanding

But that was super important for Jason since it's how he got most of his bigger combos

[acoustic crypt]

is it stopping jab jab teleport jab jab teleport bc that's the only Jason combo ik

[timber cedar]

so your telling me they nerfed Jason this patch

[honest yoke]

Yeah they did

[timber cedar]

ain’t no way

he’s Velma tier now

[honest yoke]

Unless I'm wrong and it still works

[inner lodge]

It shouldn’t, if I’m reading the notes right

[honest yoke]

Yeah jab jab teleport should be perfectly fine

[keen dove]

Wait they only gave the character who needs nerfs not buffs BUFFS

[honest yoke]

What character

[lapis mist]

how is jason nerfed lol. i dont think you could even jab loop with him in the first place

[devout burrow]

jab1 could go into jab1 which is what enables it to go into dair

jab1 raw does not go into dair

[honest yoke]

Also he can't true combo into bag anymore which is kinda funny

Not that you'd ever want to use bag in 1s

[tropic eagle]

Bag in 1s was terrible, lol.

is*

[timber cedar]

bag is terrible in general

you should never use the move honestly

[median geyser]

Not worth using it

The reward is so trash ngl from the Bag

[elfin fossil]

I keep landing double bags, which is always fun

I dgaf id it's trash, it's fun to double bag a team who wasted their dodge and then put them into hurt lockers

[timber cedar]

on whiff it’s painfully slow

[median geyser]

But again... it's the players that don't use it often, making it almost complete useless

[median geyser]

It's recovery is obv trash for no reason at all

[timber cedar]

like why do you have to wait for Jason to pull out his machete

why on earth can’t you dodge cancel that

[median geyser]

Like what's PFG thinking to put that slow recovery like that...

[elfin fossil]

It feels like they balanced Jason around avoiding complaints.

Disjoints on strong attacks might feel bad, don't give him disjoints.

Letting Jason bag up a player and throw them out the ring might feel bad and get a complaint, make the bag worthless and slow.

So many of his bad stuff feels like they were concerned first and foremost about making sure he wouldn't shake any meta or cause a complaint from his opponents

[median geyser]

The Bag has been always like that but like

It can't even fricking kill in 120+ man

It's ridiculous

Why can't they just make the moves good & let the players try it out first before they can make some changes

[timber cedar]

and then they threw all that out the window when designing banana guard

[elfin fossil]

Yeah, that's the weird part!

[timber cedar]

like they make a character trying not to piss people off

and then drop a character that spawns the rage of a thousand suns

[elfin fossil]

To be fair, I could kill with that on horizontally short stages, or if I was any good at all at air game XD

[median geyser]

Again still not worth & worst of all... can't also even combo into it

[knotty sage]

it really feels like PFG balances around how much they like the characters and their franchise
Adventure time characters are/were very strong
SU characters are either really difficult to use or are pretty bad
DC is consistently very good

[median geyser]

Are you telling me that they hate Jason?

[knotty sage]

im saying they arent that fond of Friday the 13th

as they are say Adventure Time

[acoustic crypt]

accurate

[knotty sage]

or Looney Toons

[median geyser]

I mean they'd use references well

[elfin fossil]

Garnet is pretty good.

Steven is really complex, but he's good if you figure him out

[timber cedar]

what kind of person is obsessed with banana guard then

he’s dodged 2 patches now without much nerfs

[knotty sage]

it isnt about BG himself its the franchise he comes from

[knotty sage]

in terms of how they handled SU in the game they did an awful job

not in just gameplay

[acoustic crypt]

the person who thought it was a good decision to add him

[knotty sage]

but in personality, cosmetics, etc.

[acoustic crypt]

ice king couldve been a fnny character that everyone was like "whyre you here bro" to

[elfin fossil]

Well, how would you have done it?/gen

[acoustic crypt]

half his whole bit is being in places no one wants him in

[timber cedar]

I personally think it was to give new players a fighter but without it being a character they would care about

[median geyser]

Rick & Morty I think were done very well though...

[acoustic crypt]

yeah something free they wouldnt have to fight hard to negotiate

[timber cedar]

ice king could also been actually funny unlike banana guard

[knotty sage]

in every promo Steven is in he has something wrong with his mouth or just looks really weird in general
all Steven's skins have different skin tones and some sort of issue with the mouth
Steven felt awful in the beta and Garnet was consistently put in D tier
didnt even bother to get someone who sounded even slightly like Zach Callison like they did for Lebron, the Gremlins, etc.
Garnet's whole personality is "I sang Stronger than You"
and Steven's is "I'm a little kid"

[knotty sage]

or the actual in universe gag character Lemon Grab

[acoustic crypt]

LOL i do think its funny they have no character in MVS past her singing stronger than you

they saw the clip and made the character that, but i love garnet so ill deal with it for her inclusison

[timber cedar]

she’s gay and sang strong than you that’s basically her character in mvs

[elfin fossil]

I've not noticed that, she seems full of personality beyond her song to me. Her snips at Batman, her acknowledgement of Superman, and other interactions.

I don't know how you're getting "It's just stronger than you"?

[knotty sage]

not even taht shes gay its more like "together we can do anything!" and she can sing

[acoustic crypt]

this

[elfin fossil]

But I grant you on Steven, me and some friends have a bet running that the character lead doesn't like him

[acoustic crypt]

i like her emotes tho

[elfin fossil]

Same, Russian dance time

[acoustic crypt]

i hope they actually like the leaked characters and put as much love into them as the favorites

[elfin fossil]

Like, Garnet has a ton of skins and emotes. Also, not sure how she's D rank, I've been doing great with her.

Which is a shame because id rather be a Jason main XD

[elfin fossil]

Same.

[knotty sage]

none of those lines are actually how garnet would act, garnet is generally quiet with very blunt responses, she has way too much emotion in MVS compared to the show where she's more monotone in delivery

she wouldnt react that much anyway

[knotty sage]

in beta she was often put in D tier

[elfin fossil]

That's true of early seasons, but she opened up more as the show went on, becoming more emotive thanks to Steven and her/Ruby+Sapphire's journey through the show.

It feels fitting to late show Garnet, imo.

[knotty sage]

the character lead said both steven and garnet were from season 2

[west cloak]

That’s because hardly anyone put time into her and most people who played her just spammed jab because it’s huge and has armor

[elfin fossil]

I disagree, she wasn't non reactive, she was stoic. She had moments of panic, she just tried to hide them behind a calm facade

[west cloak]

Not saying she was top tier, but she wasn’t bad

[elfin fossil]

I know, and part of the things I agree with in terms of them not understanding su is that this is incorrect. Steven has more strength and abilities in MVS than he had in S2, and Garnet acts like Shows end Garnet, even down to most of her skins being from near the end of the show (and wow she has a lot)

[knotty sage]

also one of the SU profile icons (the one thats just steven's gem) is literally named after the show's biggest plot twist

[knotty sage]

she has 1 skin from near the end, everything else is around S1 or even prologue episodes

[elfin fossil]

Yeah, fair.

There is a disrespect there, but I don't think the job was awful entierly.

[knotty sage]

unless im forgetting something

[acoustic crypt]

i dont even think its disrespect i just think its a lack of investment

[elfin fossil]

First fusion was first shown in S2, my b, I thought it was S3.

[acoustic crypt]

all this to say jason is cool but i dont think the devs care about him

[elfin fossil]

Idk, Garnet has a lot of stuff, and her kit is pretty good with representing a lot of her abilities.

Steven is the one that seems to have just been scraped from a wiki.

[main belfry]

ig is so goofy

[elfin fossil]

Oh right this is a Jason server

[acoustic crypt]

LOL

[elfin fossil]

Jason is amazing, Axe Slam to Brazilian Vacation is a true combo

[acoustic crypt]

buff bag to be jake swallow level

new funny

[queen juniper]

Only patched so dash breaks projectiles……. 🗿💀. PFG where the hell are the rest of Jason’s improvements

[potent wraith]

So the only we have for Jason

Is his dash attack block projectile

Interesting

[elfin fossil]

Camp Counselor Jason as a Beach Ready skin for Jason

[ashen drift]

That would be lovely tbh

[tulip plaza]

you know what I need
retro jason, that goofy purple jason, that'd be funny

[elfin fossil]

Agreed

[tulip plaza]

also speaking of jason variants, very close to unlocking matrix code jason

I'll likely stick with tooniverse but maybe once jason gets some much needed buffs I'll play around with it

[acoustic crypt]

pfg should collab with wwe for hollywood rock black adam, undertaker jason, and stone cold steven universe

[unique pewter]

the nintendo skin

[minor radish]

i just got matrix jason

pog moment

[ocean vale]

i don't think u wanna exagerate buffs with jason ... so far the main issue are the other characters being too strong, not jason being too weak cause his kill potential is there... now if they fixed his hit and hurtboxes now that would be great

[minor radish]

hurtboxes are probably the main issue if im going to be honest

then we can go from there

[ocean vale]

exactly, cause the kit is solid, he doesn't have any particular string that can kill you outright... maybe it's exagerate to say this but ironically jason plays footsies considering eveyrone can just put a lingering hitbox and call it a day

Jason just get that one swing or pays for it, the problem being that he gets punished from 3Km where other characters would not. Met a superman and he grabbed the bloody Nair...

you have to be right on top of superman or EVERYTHING jason does gets beaten

... except for when u trigger armor and u start teleporting all over the place cause armor won't get consumed

[tribal flume]

new jason dashattack goes through projectiles LOL

makes it so we dont have to go protective momentum too many times ig

[devout burrow]

just fix the things that don't function

[tribal flume]

likes his down special

[ocean vale]

all jason needs is hit/hurtbox fixes, once those are done THEN u can actually buff or nerf him

[tribal flume]

bro i swear jason down special is like the most bugged move ever in this game. plus the recovery on it makes it horrible to use or to combo into

His Sair should hit grounded

always

sometimes people just low profile under

[ocean vale]

down special is mainly inconsistent with the follow-up

air down special

[tribal flume]

Up special hurtbox needs fixing too

I think they could buff his dair range aswell

And fix his bed sometimes just not hitting the second hit of the bed

LOL

thats crazy

[tribal flume]

i mean the sleeping bag should get buffed

his air down b is pretty good, but sometimes he doesnt do the followup slice thats true

[ocean vale]

let's change sometimes with A LOT of times xD

[tribal flume]

https://www.twitch.tv/blasterzssb/clip/MuddyEncouragingPigeonAsianGlow-y9Eft_BKvkx45O4W

Check this random ass clip

[ocean vale]

you have to hit em as they are right in front to make the second hit land

[tribal flume]

i hit accidentally

with that move

[ocean vale]

the up tilt issue instead yeah, that's a common

and it gets worst as players tend to move a lot more

WTF is that bug lol

[tribal flume]

its because of the walls

LOL

they get released into the wall cuz i swung at the exact time they get released

wich makes them teleport into the blastzone

[ocean vale]

so the bag drops as they are in the wall and they spawn right underneath !?!?

[tribal flume]

works with up special grounded too

[tribal flume]

yea

LOL

[ocean vale]

to be fair u need the one stage

... now iron giant instead ...

https://x.com/mirrormantf/status/1801310881218806085

not even 1 minute and we already have to pull him out for robbery

[main belfry]

Iron giant is so comical

[gritty hemlock]

I just beat a chicken WW who tried to rely on the shield bash exclusively. :\ They need to take away her armor, that was boring as ever.

Bring back attack decay or somethingggggggggg ; - ;

[turbid lichen]

cringest thing ive ever read

[topaz sun]

Low key Jason is fun as hell

[topaz sun]

Ong though, idk why they ever removed it

[gritty hemlock]

I swear.

❤️

[fading hare]

Yeah for that I like to use dash attack break armor perk for that

[gritty hemlock]

its just rpedictable tho. .n.

[queen juniper]

I figured it out gang, the Uber Jason skin from completing the battle pass gives Jason’s moves armor and all the buffs he should’ve gotten in this patch copium

[gritty hemlock]

:\

[harsh sorrel]

How are you all enjoying the buff

[fading hare]

I mean if the WW is doing the same moves then they probably won’t adapt to you also spamming dash attack

[gritty hemlock]

She wasn't. I vaguely remember it but it was just a bunch of shield bashing and running away. It went on for too longggg.

[devout burrow]

I don't actually think that's a particularly good option

it's much better to just be faster

to space around ww

or to have just a damage number buff

[fading hare]

Well I should’ve clarified I don’t use it all the time. Sometimes I like to use grab after the move is done but if they are at kill % it works well

[devout burrow]

if you wanna beat armor with a callout grounded upb is usually just better

unless you like

REALLY want to kill

utilt too

like Jason has good ways of beating armor

[fading hare]

Yeah pretty good

[devout burrow]

so I think speed force is still just better

[fading hare]

Better than last stand? It’s not gonna make him any faster

[devout burrow]

yea

last stand value just isn't really that important

[fading hare]

but the speed isn’t really much either cause Jason is very slow in general so 5% isn’t noticeable. At least last stand has some actual value imo

[devout burrow]

tbh I feel the speed more than the damage

[gritty hemlock]

I need to know why is every single person's goal to be as toxic as humanly possible. xD

[tulip plaza]

some people just be that way, which is a shame

[honest yoke]

The only armor perk worth running against WW is the one that stops her from using armor for a few seconds after you break it

You don't need to run dash attack perk when you have better armor breakers already

[gritty hemlock]

Seriously is. There isn't even a motive behind it or a thought at all 😢

[tulip plaza]

I remember fighting a WW as jason in the early days
she's get any ko and start t-bagging and taunt spamming
like gee you sure are a big guy for winning against a low tier as top 1

[devout burrow]

but what does that do when she's on cooldown and her armor is for 1 hit

[knotty sage]

"congrats on beating that big guy as an assassin with tank weight and armor!"

[honest yoke]

She has like 6 different armor moves she can spam

[devout burrow]

but like

why use armor breaker

if you hit the ww

she just like

ok with it

cause armor breaker doesn't last

[tacit pivot]

Feels great i went against a joker and he didnt expect it jaja

[fading hare]

Playing WW is playing game on easy mode

[devout burrow]

this game isn't hard

unless your opponent is better than you

which is like

yea

[fading hare]

Yeah the game has pretty simple advantage, disadvantage, neutral because there are mainly 2 options of attacking and dodging. Obviously it’s a bit more complex than that but that’s the basis

[devout burrow]

it is literally just

resource management and putting your opponent into bad situations

[fading hare]

Yeah

Some people still aren’t used to the dodge meter actually being a limited resource. Or they are just muscle memory spamming dodge after hit and get punished

[timber cedar]

I’ve noticed most WW players are as toxic as a nuclear waste plant

75% of them tbag

like wow good job playing the meta character

[tulip plaza]

like actually tho

like god forbid I try to have fun with jason

[timber cedar]

tbh I only play Jason when playing 2s because trying to win with him in 1s is a uphill battle I’m not strong enough to beat

[fading hare]

They hit sair into sair and that’s there coolest clip

[tulip plaza]

I mostly played jason in 1s but yeah since everyone is playing just top tiers its just not that fun

[timber cedar]

not mentioning the fact that people are playing like their lives depend on it

like holy Jesus man

[fading hare]

lol

[timber cedar]

calm the hel down

like holy moly I can smell the sweat from here

[fading hare]

A lot of the top tier players I face are pretty bad when put into disadvantageous situations. Like they are pretty easy to read. It’s kinda annoying though cause they have better neutral tools

[tulip plaza]

one of the most fun matches I had in a 1v1 with jason was with another jason
when we first started the match he just did a taunt right away, and after that I started doing it too, I knew this guy would be cool, and he was
so we start the match, both taunt or t-bag, respectfully, any one of us gets a KO, we do the same once the other respawns
it was just a chill fun time, no toxicity within the t-bags or taunts, just pure fun

[timber cedar]

yea most people can’t really handle disadvantage in this game

[fading hare]

Dang sounds nice

[timber cedar]

I remember I game I had with a Morty like that. Probably the best match I’ve ever played

[fading hare]

did you win that?

It’s a hard match up for Jason for sure

[timber cedar]

it was back in beta

I was playing black Adam tho

barely lost the set

[fading hare]

Yeah I think that might also be bad for black Adam but I didn’t play him much in beta

[tulip plaza]

I think I remember a similar situation in the beta when I was playing morty
I think the other morty got a stock off on me really quick and I just kinda crouched for awhile and he joined me instead of sweating it out and going for another stock

we just kinda laid there for a bit lol

I think I did clutch it back out tho, but I don't fully remember

[elfin fossil]

Enraged Full charge Axe Slam on both opponents at once, they fricken teleported off the screen.

Feels so good man~

[timber cedar]

what every Jason main strides for

[tulip plaza]

insert the king from the zelda cdi game

[dull axle]

In lieu of the jab1 loop no longer being a thing, I found earlier today that jab1 into IAD dair might work in its place. I tested it in training against a bot set to dodge after hitstun, but I've found that setting to be kinda inconsistent for telling what's actually true or not.

[timber cedar]

it’s something at least

[honest yoke]

I had fun when I mained joker

But I have more fun now

As a Jason main

Even my losses are more fun

And 90% of them don't even feel like I lost because of the character I just needed to be better

Only exception is against black adam and morty

[dull axle]

Jab1 > dodge cancel > DownTilt(stomp) > GroundUpSpecial works too especially if you want to get your opponent closer to the ledge

[honest yoke]

Set it to dodge neutral

Not after hitstun just dodge neutral

Then you don't have worry about it only sometimes dodging

[dull axle]

Yeah that's what I ended up setting it to. Both combos seem to work fine but there isn't much leniency on the input timing from what I can tell.

Or maybe I was just sloppy with my execution idk

[honest yoke]

Isn't down tilt into up special fake though

I know jab jab down tilt up special doesn't work

[dull axle]

Yeah normally it doesnt work but foe whatever reason, dash cancelling into the Dtilt and then doing up special seems to work. At least from what I tested.

You can test it yourself to confirm if you want

[wide shale]

in case nobody else has mentioned it, dont try to dash in to the rocket or the safe, they dont count as projectiles apparently

[knotty sage]

no they're heavy projectiles, so they just go through usual armor deflectors

jerry is the same

[acoustic crypt]

Jason A tier/low S according to comp chat

[main belfry]

Considering you didnt get the joke im Not going to go at ya

[main belfry]

Unless they Buffed the boy theres no way they put him anywhere near S

[devout burrow]

what is comp chat

[fleet cairn]

Jason is not that high according to comp

Uppermid tier at beat

[median geyser]

Idk but who the heck even put Jason top tier...

When he's so much flaws

[median grove]

fr tho

[acoustic crypt]

#lfg-competitive

[lapis mist]

i promise he's not. his neutral is way too ass to be that high up on the tier list. yeah he kills early in advantage off a read but so does black adam and he has a much easier time landing hits

[acoustic crypt]

i know he's not but it is hilarious

[languid harbor]

Jason? More like, Japoop

[main belfry]

You either just played him and lost or played against him and lost lol

[knotty sage]

hey do you guys remember that one bug with garnet where if she used her star grab you'd get stuck in her? yeah i think jason has that with nair special

[main belfry]

2k wins on garnet

who am i queuing

[mint yarrow]

My main concern with the character is that evry single attack has either no range or takes a huge amount of time to preform. Or I ain't playing him right

[fading hare]

No that’s just big heavy man taking his big heavy time for a big heavy swing

[honest yoke]

You just gotta be smart with your attacks and make the lack of range and frame data not matter

[mint yarrow]

yeah but fighting against any bruiser is way too hard because they can counter the attack immediately when they see what you are doing

[mint yarrow]

I mean shaggy's attacks are way faster than his and has more range :(

[honest yoke]

Try using down special more

In the air

[mint yarrow]

I tried it in many different matches but he can just uppercut me out of the attack

[devout burrow]

if you are good at the game you can win with jason

unless the character just decides to not function

[acoustic crypt]

what if you're bad

[main belfry]

even if youre bad

[devout burrow]

and screw you out of a win

[main belfry]

dw i suck

and i still win

[mint yarrow]

cooked

[acoustic crypt]

🍳 me asf

[devout burrow]

just play a good character like idk stripe

[acoustic crypt]

my Jason is so god awful i don't know what to do 😭

[devout burrow]

I am really goddamn good at this character

[mint yarrow]

I play the character I like: Lebron, Jason, Morty etc. but I ain't playing characters I don't care about for a W

[acoustic crypt]

i am just struggling to adjust to "i acted first, i get punished"

[fading hare]

I should play Jason more but I don’t

[mint yarrow]

Up special, ups special, neutral

[fading hare]

I’ll go home and start playing him

[mint yarrow]

I love it when I got to play against a banana guard who has the same principal

[acoustic crypt]

the damn machete will be through their body and the swing is complete
and they can jab me and not even trade

you threw out a move and whiffed so now i punish you right?

"no its my turn again"

[lean flare]

Welcome to bottom tiers

We have drinks.

[median grove]

"wait is that lebron?"

[lean flare]

lol

[fading hare]

Lebron mains and Jason mains share drinks

[muted dove]

Velma mains in the corner

[marsh summit]

Anybody wanna run 2s I got 1k wins with arya

[fading hare]

Wish I could but on vacation

[rapid cargo]

Reindog is the barkeep

[lean flare]

Velma is so bad she's stuck in her apartment while the low tiers get together without her

Even low tiers dont wanna be seen with her

[fading hare]

IG keeping her in her apartment while he chilling in bar

[dark sapphire]

Harley mains sitting upstairs (they snuck in illegally)

[median grove]

It's so crazy how they nerfed lebron this patch and basically left Harley Untouched 💀

[dark sapphire]

Lebron will be back he’s just on half time until next patch 😃

[tulip plaza]

I did think the basketballs hitting infinitely was wacky, but I dunno if they only need to hit once

[timber cedar]

2 would probably be the sweet spot

[tulip plaza]

2-3 at least

[wide shale]

i was a lebron main in the beta, but he just feels so wrong in this version

[queen juniper]

Once is plenty. This game doesn’t need rng based cheese

[fading hare]

Yeah they removed a lot of combos. Gutted his dunk, added a lot of whiff on his moves so he has terrible neutral now as well

[wide shale]

his ball angles feel awful now too

[tulip plaza]

the ball sticking around was a big buff for him but was kinda crazy

[fading hare]

They are a bit weirder with the ball hitbox being proportionally smaller to lebrons body but it’s something you can adapt to

he just has really bad neutral and limited combo game

[wide shale]

he also just feels too tall vs the smaller characters

[fading hare]

So they fix those and maybe improve dunk a bit he can be good

[wide shale]

ballless lebron has like...2 options to hit small characters

maybe 3

[fading hare]

I mean he only has few good neutral options in neutral anyways.

Wish they improved overall movement on some of them too

Like no ball up air is static as hell

[median geyser]

Bit question but can you attack after immediately stepping out of the Mist?

[muted dove]

Agreed lol was thr best projectile imho

But this nerf was too much

[wide shale]

yes, but you have to buffer the attack quite early during the teleport

[median geyser]

I tried during training before & I hit it everytime so it's possible

But like you've to press extremely quick to do so

So the perk that helps you teleport near to the opponent might have some usage...

[wide shale]

i'd recommend just getting used to the regular teleport, the teleports behind you thing isnt that great imo

[median geyser]

Ig so yeah...

[timber cedar]

I’ve heard that perk ruins some combos for Jason

[median geyser]

I almost never use Mist coz how Jason just stands there doing nothing

Only use Mist for combo ender & get back to stage but other than that, barely used it

[timber cedar]

I only use it for kills with jab

[median geyser]

Yeah same here... using it as combo ender

I kinda want Jason to be able to cancel his sleeping bag into attacks though...

Like when he grabbed someone with the bag, I want him to like cancel into attacks, woulda make the bag way more useful imo

[craggy tree]

Agreed^^^

[wide shale]

i'd still never go for the bag unless they get rid of that 2+ second whiff animation

[median geyser]

Yeah? Literally IG has a similar thing but he can literally cancel the grab into attacking

[craggy tree]

Also not sure if it already does it but I'd like the Sleeping Back victim to be used as a weapon against their teammates. The spin can be like Finn's backpack if they're hit by it and the slam can be just a regular knock back bounce

[median geyser]

It's like the worse version of IG's grab

[median geyser]

The spin is very useless imo, not worth the shot

Also the slam isn't rewarding

[craggy tree]

I mean what else would you use when they're in the bag?

[median geyser]

Give us an ability to cancel into attack

Or more rewarding while slamming

[craggy tree]

I'm saying make the bag deal damage to enemies not in the bag. That way if their ally is trying to free them they'll get hit by it.

[median geyser]

Barely useful in 1s still though but the option to cancel into attack would also be better

[queen juniper]

Jason needs more iframes at start of mist step

[median geyser]

& the fact that it can't even knockout 120+ is ridiculous

[median geyser]

I can sort of agree with that... coz entering Mist is taking time...

[queen juniper]

Many times I see the animation start and I still get smacked out it

[median geyser]

Yeah...

Most of Jason's startups are just slow & can't combo into it

Also idk what can be the use of the stomp btw...

[queen juniper]

Stomp would be useful if it had a tremor effect like Morty’s dirt or ba’s electricity

[median geyser]

What tremor effect again?

[queen juniper]

Idk. Maybe like the more he can charge it the bigger radius to hit any enemy with a fall down stun

[median geyser]

Although the stomp is useful in breaking armor, I don't see any usage other than that

[median geyser]

Fair enough

[queen juniper]

Really any extra effect added would be an improvement to it now

A stun would be nice that could potentially combo into sleeping bag

[median geyser]

Oh yeah... that's definitely nice...

[queen juniper]

If they gave him grabs they should at least make those niche moves for a known slower and punching bag like archetype more power

[median geyser]

But the thing is though, it's very reactable...

It's like speed is way better than power at this point

[queen juniper]

Unless they give him armor to make it more fair

Or like I suggested consider adding iframes or just changing his frame data in general

They totally should consider speeding him up and possibly toning his power down a bit

[median geyser]

Right

[median geyser]

It's a tough decision coz of his character size

[queen juniper]

They could also start by not making self damage penalty for rage

But give cooldown 1-2 more seconds

[median geyser]

Idk what's the point of receiving dmg penalty rage btw

Just not a great trade off

[main belfry]

If they want to keep the ,,slow" thing on him they need to make his stuff hurt

Like being hit <5 times should already put you into percentages you dont want to be in against him

like 5 sairs back to back

[queen juniper]

Exactly my point. The point of being a grappler

He has 3 grabs so he should be able to at least use them to scare people into not just approaching him with no punishment

[median geyser]

Four grabs actually

[median geyser]

Kinda sticks with his nature for being undead tank with inhuman strength

[queen juniper]

Yup, the lore of him is he chases down folks and puts his hands on them and then it’s Joever. They should make him feel like that in game instead of the slow dude who usually is always in hitstun

[median geyser]

Yeah

[median geyser]

& the fact that he's no armor btw

None of his moves are armor

While fast characters like Superman & WW still literally have them

[queen juniper]

Another idea, successful hit of mist step gives small amount of rage for next hit

Also give sleeping bag grab a hit box so on whiff from sweet spot for the grab it can still hit an enemy and give slight knock back enough for him to get better recovery frame advantage because whiffing sleeping bag now is a fat chance for punishment thus no one uses it

[median geyser]

Jason is currently half baked & not sure if PFG is going to change him at all

[queen juniper]

I think they have a lot of options to make him better but chances are they won’t

[main belfry]

exactly

his attacks need to be really really painfull if they hit

but how it is atm its kinda meh

[median grove]

Saying this when banana guard exists is crazy.

[lean flare]

...what rng does banana guard have

[hexed jacinth]

running into bg is an rng lose to me

👍

[median grove]

Bro complained of a cheese you could only pull up if your opponent was actual ass when broken characters like banana guard exist

It's really easy to understand actually

[timber cedar]

instantly killing my desire to play the game when I run into him

[tulip plaza]

spin the wheel
"does this banana guard only spam side special!"

[median grove]

LMFAO

literally

[timber cedar]

the wheel is only one color

this isn’t fair

[tulip plaza]

one color with a very small sliver of another

[median grove]

Bonus points if it's the aerial version

[timber cedar]

literally need a microscope to see it

[median grove]

ngl bguard's aerial side b > bguard's grounded side b

[timber cedar]

yea

air side b covers more space

and lasts longer now

[median grove]

and it travels faster

It just seems like a more reliable kill tool tbh

[timber cedar]

don’t tell the bg main this info

let them keep spamming the grounded version

[median grove]

they'll spam it anyway so why bother

[tulip plaza]

when I play banana I really do try my best to just, not only do side b
unless they deserve it
cus some characters do deserve it

I am the 1% of people who use more then one move when I play banana lol

[timber cedar]

banana still has broken moves outside of side special, f-air hits like a truck and kills early and u-air literally hits below BG

[median grove]

When I play bguard I try to play him as a normal character instead of just spamming side b, but doing so is just more efficient so I end up spamming anyway

[tulip plaza]

true

[timber cedar]

yea he’s a bit terrible outside of side special

[tulip plaza]

I hate to do it, but sometimes it is just the best option

[timber cedar]

he’s carried by like 3-4 moves

[median grove]

bguard's fair is a menace yeah. his tilt also covers a lot of range for some wacky reason.

[hexed jacinth]

sair bro

big ass wall

[timber cedar]

I just complained about s-air

that move is busted

[median grove]

the best The best 3-4 moves in the game btw.

[timber cedar]

yea

[median grove]

Come out fast + all of them kill

I get that it's a joke char but cmon

[timber cedar]

he’s hits as hard as Jason without the downside of playing Jason

[median grove]

y'all gonna nerf lebron to death and let bguard untouched

[timber cedar]

that’s what makes me mad

[median grove]

this

ngl

[timber cedar]

he’s better Jason AND shaggy

[median grove]

his base strenght now should be the strenght he has when powered up

[timber cedar]

wtf is that character

[median grove]

and his new base strengh should be nerfed a lot

[median grove]

oh wait i forgor he's also a shaggy copy lol

[timber cedar]

they didn’t have time to design and balance bg

just slapped something up and sent it out to everyone

[median grove]

bro has:

• shaggy's side and neutral b
• finn's up b but with less range

[median grove]

yeah.

[median grove]

Crazy how 1 year isn't enough for the multibillion-dollar company

[timber cedar]

oh right this is a Jason channel

[tulip plaza]

pfft

[timber cedar]

I forgot

[median grove]

yeah going back to jason

[timber cedar]

I just lost against a far worse player as Jason carried by bg

[median grove]

He's really cool

better than lebron in his current state

[timber cedar]

that’s what sent me on this rant

[timber cedar]

probably equal to lebron rn

[median grove]

at least I enjoy and win more as Jason than as Lebron

[timber cedar]

both are usable and that’s it

at least they aren’t Velma tier

[tulip plaza]

I want to play more jason, but anytime I play him I'm matched against a much better character, so it kind kills the mood
so I've been playing more Marvin recently as he was my main at the end of beta

[timber cedar]

I literally only play Jason in 2s

1s you just get matched into a WW or Harley or BA and just lose before the match starts

at least in 2s you can get matched with them

[tulip plaza]

I'm always doin 1v1s usually
the problem with 2s for me rn is that sometimes people just don't connect into the game
so a teammate is just sitting there afk

[timber cedar]

Yea 2s is kinda broken rn

damn shame because I wanna play more Jason

[tulip plaza]

I actually did a 2v2 match earlier as joker and got a afk garnet team mate but the shaggy on the other team had a afk shaggy team mate so we basically 1v1'd while trying to avoid the afk guys

[timber cedar]

oops wrong gamemode

[tulip plaza]

it ended when he accidentally killed my garnet teammate and ran off the stage to make up for it which also just so happened to be his last life there
it was actually pretty fun tho, chill

I wish more people were like that
sometimes when I have a afk teammate the enemy players just sweat like hell against thee sandbag and then t-bag and taunt when they (of course) win

[timber cedar]

wowie I’m so good

I won a 2v1

get pwned loser

[tulip plaza]

when I notice my teammate is afk I usually just stop fighting and just stand there
and very rarely does anyone join me

[timber cedar]

god I need ffa soon

I need a casual gamemode

[tulip plaza]

I mean I guess to be fair they just wanna get to the next match with real players so they'll just beat up the sandbag, I can understand that

but when they get toxic after doing so, its just annoying lol

[timber cedar]

yea it’s no fun just stomping one guy because he got unlucky

[tulip plaza]

also my hope is when ranked comes out, all the top tier sweats will start playing that so I can play actual people
or better yet, I play ranked and fight people who are actually equal to my skill level instead of "my character needs to be buffed" 24/7 WW grinders

[timber cedar]

unranked is a hellscape rn

you go from bots to new player to evo player

[tulip plaza]

I matched against a tom and jerry who had the PVP 1st place badge and I knew I was not going to be playing the game today, I mean I was marvin so I had a little bit more of a fighting chance but I still just decided to run off and sd cus I did not want to even try, it just wasn't worth it

[unique pewter]

I faced like 3 Supermen in a row barely lost to all of them then got melted by a Tom and Jerry lol

It's been a learning day

[timber cedar]

Jason has a really really bad matchup against zoners

even with the shield

[tulip plaza]

yeah I beat up on a jason as marvin and did feel kinda bad, cus I totally got it, the character isn't as good as he could be, and I have many projectiles

[unique pewter]

It's very polarizing lol, some days I win every match, some days I never win

[timber cedar]

Jason has a bad match up against Marvin especially

[tulip plaza]

when its jason its always back and fourth
2-3 wins, 2-3 losses (usually cus top tier character)

[timber cedar]

zoning and combos?

pack it up your done

[tulip plaza]

I do respect him for staying in the fight the whole time
he was at least able to get two kos off on me, cus sometimes i brain fart
but naturally I won cus funny martian gaming

I wouldn't have been upset if he won, cus he would definitely have deserved it

[timber cedar]

weird how the Jason channel nearly already has 10,000 messages

[tulip plaza]

its cus we're begging for him to be buffed all the time
pfft

[timber cedar]

begging and complaining about getting stomped

[tulip plaza]

maybe someday he will become a buster top tier
that would be very funny and epic

[minor radish]

🧂their favorite emote

[minor radish]

I imagine some people like me during the first Top Dog were desperate as hell to be number 1

Most of it comes down to who you're competing against on the leaderboard + how often you're fighting an unfavorable match up as Jason or anyone else

[minor radish]

And now they are really gunning to win

[devout burrow]

I really don't think top dog is that serious

but others seem to think it is idk

[acoustic crypt]

how long that spear stays out

[craggy tree]

I think Jayson could some armor break option. Unless he does and I'm not seeing it.

[lean flare]

Down attack breaks armor

The stomp

[craggy tree]

Oh yeah I'm trippin

[wide shale]

up special goes through armor too

i think the bed breaks it as well, but not sure

[acoustic crypt]

give Jason non rage armor

bro takes 10-20 damage for armor that ends on attempted attack, WW can do it for free to get normal people armor she can do whatever with

[tulip plaza]

#clips message

when I say my boys needs buffs, I just mean he needs to work ;w;

[ancient wraith]

I HATE JASONS BED ATTACK BRUH 😭

#clips message

my face when it completely failed man

i love you jason but like. why must you do this to me

[frozen granite]

hello jasonites

why is he so bad

i want to play him but he is horrible

[honest yoke]

He's not that bad tbh

Like he ain't good but you can win with him

Just gotta play better

[devout burrow]

he's not bad just a very honest character

that sometimes decides to not function

[main belfry]

i think ill pick superman as a off pick

feels a lot better

[tropic eagle]

I've always wondered (since i'm doing missions right now), why does Jason count as having sports attire?

[queen juniper]

Hockey mask

[tropic eagle]

Wait, holy sh yeah.

That actually makes sense.

[queen juniper]

Finally hit 500 wins with Jason

[tropic eagle]

I'm at around 112 i think?

[main belfry]

ill check at how many iam atm

144

[median grove]

Bro got my monitor's refresh rate

[median geyser]

153 wins here

& i'm still sh*t at the game

[acoustic crypt]

i think he's that bad

[honest yoke]

Then you're wrong tbh

[acoustic crypt]

i met a really really good Jason who was cooking me and still almost won off his moves not working when he had me dead to rights

read me like a book but kept losing to tomfoolery

[honest yoke]

Nah he should have cooked you harder then

[acoustic crypt]

if he was on any other character it'd be a 3 stock, bro was OD

[median geyser]

All I can say is Jason very half baked currently

He ain't in a good state currently

[frozen granite]

Friday the 13th skins with hockey masks also count

I think harley, black adam, a couple more have those

[elfin fossil]

Harley is the best, but Arya makes me the happiest with the tags

[tulip plaza]

a lot of stuff just doesn't work sometimes on jason and its really sad
I shared this example last night but here it is again

#clips message

like you tellin me that didn't hit?

[median grove]

holy crap

multiversus hitboxes at their finest

Dude I absolutely hate the missions in this game

most of them require you having a specific skin, character or even friends 💀

Why can marvin place a gazillion projectiles on stage?

Dude's the definitive zoner

[unique pewter]

His up attack can be super annoying when he’s good at it, but it doesn’t kill well until they’re pretty high percentage, that jab combo string can be rough tho, the last projectile has a fair amount of knockback, people that understand his kit are a menace for sure lol

[timber cedar]

why does the f-air hitbox don’t match the machete animation

I literally lost a game because I thought I hit a f-air and got whiff punished

[topaz sun]

Seriously, the hitbox is like, Jason’s hand holding the machete and not the weapon itself

[timber cedar]

it’s the exact same thing with his jab and so annoying

[wide shale]

i find that aerial up special is usually the worst whiffer, i see that blade slice through people all the time and it misses

[tulip plaza]

they really need to fix this man

[timber cedar]

not mentioning the up tilt can drop because it can feel like it

[topaz sun]

Oh I misread, I meant the jab

But dang, I didn’t know the fair has problems too

[severe barn]

The worst part is jab extends his own hitbox so much that people can jab the machete to hit him basically 💀

[wide shale]

paradoxically the jab also cant hit people inside of jason,

[timber cedar]

meanwhile bg up air literally hits below him while we struggle to hit someone 2 feet in front of us

[languid harbor]

Congrats

Honestly wish they didn't prioritze in fixing the jason sleeping bag bug, move never lands anyways.

[median grove]

and when it does it isn't even that useful

[languid harbor]

Yep

[glossy fox]

Learning that WW Nair breaks armor because my unstoppable rage buff got stuffed is crazy

[normal holly]

I still don't get why Jason axe grab doesn't hit when he swings the axe down

Like, you could grab an enemy and then slam them down and hit the other one. But no, you are just a slow hurtbox

I would also add armor break to his air axe neutral

[wide shale]

his active frames are pretty garbage, especially on his up air

[normal holly]

the neutral air grab could be faster too, and both the bed and the air up special aren't disjointed at all

you might as well be Jake and not Jason, since you just stretch into bed and machete shape XD

[sick solar]

Someone got problems with the up strong ?(i mean the bed), sometimes it does the opposite and bring enemy's to de ground instead of going up

[steep mirage]

https://youtu.be/0pdF1a7Qi9c?si=jI-T24Pts7LpHav1 Jason in multiversus reminds me of this

its from Worthikids

[elfin fossil]

Either let the axe grab grab both opponents or give it knockback if it has someone grabbed, seriously

[mental oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/883882266445643816/1251644675983409162/KXLLSWXTCH_-_YASOPP_Audio.mp4?ex=666f5471&is=666e02f1&hm=3f53dc113155e72c83446654d25fd01cb9117d7252e14e95fc91451bed827c6d&

embeds disabled, pain

[mental oar]

was saying this in general earlier but yeah jason's weapons being apart of his hitbox is so dumb lol

[wide loom]

How you guys feeling in 1s

[minor radish]

How many of you people actually watched some of the Friday the 13th movies

It's been awhile since I've seen them so I don't recognize all of the references in his move set besides the bed kill

[timber narwhal]

defeated a toxic spamming WW in 1v1

feels good

[timber narwhal]

I avoid watching them, they all suck

[timber narwhal]

most are from FvJ and Jason X

[tame briar]

Anyone know some good Jason combos? I know at mid to high percents his down air into another down air or a down special after they bounce up a little is good and can lead to a teleport or an up special but it’s hard to get something like that going, you used to be able to do it with his jabs into dodge into another jab but that doesn’t work now

[unique pewter]

Watched them all many times, love them all but ya know movies are subjective so you’ld have to give them a rewatch to make up your own mind about them… the axe is seen in 3 and 8 the most I think? The sleeping bag is 7, the bed is Freddy vs Jason, he uses a machete a couple times but honestly not much considering it’s his “weapon” of choice, he likes to mix it up a lot and uses his bare hands a bunch

[median geyser]

I finally spot Velma

Damn

[median geyser]

Not good so far

[median geyser]

His uair special isn't good

It's bad most of the time coz it can be dodged out of it easily

That's why I use the uair pokes most of the time

Way better & faster

[acoustic crypt]

because he's the only character on the roster built like a proper fighting game character

u whiff u have endlag (and a whole animation for it)

anyone else miss a move like down b they just dodge out of it, imagine if wonder woman had to wrap her lasso back up and put it away every time she missed it

why does Jason have to do that AND manually bring his weapon back out, it's so extra in the context of this game

[median geyser]

It's called attention to details

But at the same time, the game isn't filled with logics

[acoustic crypt]

#1245482529310375956 message

#1245482529310375956 message

[median geyser]

Yes but it's literally attention to details

[acoustic crypt]

im not saying that is a bad thing, but attention to detail doesn't discredit my point

[acoustic crypt]

this is what i said

[median geyser]

Yeah

I mean I can agree but the thing is though... it just makes no sense to have slow recoveries

[acoustic crypt]

not "remove all of Jasons animations, i hate attention to detail" it's just extra in the context of this game where nobody else has these (relatively) long whiff animations on most of their moves

oh ur the same dude just with a different pfp

[median geyser]

???

[acoustic crypt]

i don't even know what the solution is bc it makes sense for him to have it, but he's punished bc no one else does

[median geyser]

Yeah...

But again he's pretty slow

[acoustic crypt]

you had a car pfp when I got @'d but then a Jason pfp started replying

and both were still there so i thought u were 2 people with the same name

[median geyser]

Oh I see...

Yeah coz I've Nitro so I change the pfp

[median geyser]

It's actually FvJ replying lol

[acoustic crypt]

do u want Freddy in MVS?

[median geyser]

Ofc I do... big fan of him too

But he's really less chance to be in it

& I don't think he's gonna make it out this season

[median grove]

not even relatively, Jason's whiff anims are like 5x times longer any other character's

[median geyser]

Especially the Bag

[main belfry]

i was about to say

im pretty sure every single character can hit a full charged attack on missed bag

it has that much recovery

[median geyser]

Yeah

[median grove]

You can max the battlepass, do all the daily/ weekly missions and you'll still have some spare time before Jason finishes his whiff animation

[median geyser]

Lmao

Also battlepass is quite long to lv up

[median grove]

Yep

[median geyser]

I kinda wanna get Jason pfp & banner

[median grove]

I haven't played the game these days

I used to play daily in the beta

That's how big of a downgrade this release was

[median geyser]

I feel that

They make characters a lot bigger & slower

[main belfry]

tbf i only want the emote on 55

ill play till then

after ill probably drop till some updates or ranked

[median geyser]

Yeah & getting that Uber Jason might be pretty good as well

[mental oar]

completely wrong

part 6 and 7 are pretty good

the reboot is rad too

[mental oar]

i love how jason is represented in this game, out of anything i didnt expect a platform fighter to care so deeply about drawing inspiration for his moves from past movies

buuuuut youre completely right when it comes to the animation detail. it's REALLY cool that you see him take the time to put his weapons back, draw them, put away the sleeping bag, all of that, but when every other character in the game gets to do everything frame 1 it shows how slow he is compared to everyone else

[main belfry]

They just gotta send my boy to the framedata gym so he can work some quicker animations out

[unique pewter]

The only thing I had wished during the reboot was that more of the kids stayed all in the house together, I think it’d be cool to see some modern people realize what’s going on and become more defensive and band together to try and survive… they introduced that cool house setting and then everyone leaves it and we don’t really see it much after that

[mental oar]

that's true. i guess they were going for an older horror movie vibe where everyone's stupid and splits up lol

i really liked how aggressive jason was in that movie though. the introduction of the tunnels to show how he gets around was rad, and he's overall a lot faster than before. wonder how much inspiration the devs took from that movie

[unique pewter]

Yea the tunnel thing was a good add because it gives a real world explanation for his speed lol… also he flat out runs in that movie and it’s scary lol

[mental oar]

him running at the dude in the beartrap was terrifying

[unique pewter]

Yea the opening of that movie is kind of perfect, like peak Jason

[mental oar]

im hoping we get skins of some of his older designs. i dont know how much multiversus can get away with when it comes to more grotesque character designs but a part 7 jason with some bones showing would be awesome

he's already got the chain so

retro and baghead would be cool too. im not sure who owns the rights to Savini since it was an original concept made for the game, but that would be an amazing legendary skin

replace his axe with the pitch fork, make his entrance animation him rising from a plume of fire, would go so hard

[elfin fossil]

Yeah, all good.

What I want is a Legendary Announcer: Pamela Voorhees

[mental oar]

that'd be sick

was hoping for a brawl-esque easter egg where you can have pamela's guidance or something

since jason cant really interact with other fighters his mom would do it for em yknow

[elfin fossil]

Oh yeah, I know they gave us the "Ki ki ki, Ma ma ma" but I keep expecting to hear Pamela, in a ghostly voice say "Such a good boy" when I ring someone out" or a "Jason, this is your mother" when a round starts, stuff like that.

But I'd take an Announcer.

[mental oar]

either works, both would be awesome

i dont think they playtested any of this characters man it's crazy how many characters get away with everything by doing so little

[elfin fossil]

Id just be happy if they fixed the hitboxes so my hard reads stop turning into Trades because Jason isn't permitted to keep up or be safe even when only your weapon hits the opponent

[mental oar]

if they fixed that i feel like he'd get a lot better

there'd still be problems (world's longest end lag) but that at least would let you win more trades

[elfin fossil]

The amount of Times Axe Grab fails because I dared Wiff punish an opponent mid attack without politely waiting for them to be able to dodge, it is maddening.

[median geyser]

How are they all suck

[median geyser]

Reboot is amazing, shows clear day & night of Jason's intelligence

[median geyser]

He was technically already in gym lmao, just need to work on quicker attacks

[mental oar]

I love how absurdly beefy he is

Never thought Tank-son would be amongst my favorite designs for em

[median geyser]

He was working in the gym during 9 years

Worth the training

[unique pewter]

People just have very polarizing opinions on art in general and everyone feels their opinion is the "right" one, but it's subjective... I personally look at old horror movies as a bit of a time-capsule, slashers especially give you an interesting insight into the teenagers/parties of those eras... I find value in them others may not

[median geyser]

It's mostly coz like it's the same thing... especially F13 main plot is just Jason slashing teens throughout the movies & the protagonists trying to defeat him at the end, yet he always come back ofc thanks to stupid teens again

But either way, I still enjoy how creative Jason kills are...

[languid harbor]

Sadly non of them. Ive seen Freddy vs Jason though. And watched Dead Meat's kill count on the franchise

[median geyser]

Part 6 & 7 are definitely my favs

[wide loom]

Watch them instead go the other way and give everyone more end lag

[normal holly]

I think they aren't buffing Jason until the next event starts so that can be the REAL rise of Jason

[tulip plaza]

they buff jason so much he becomes number one
and then they leave him like that because jason deserves it

[mental oar]

True..

[timber narwhal]

yall cant say "friday movies dont suck" then say only 2 outta 10 are good 😭

and jesus christ this character struggles in 1v1s

[main belfry]

he struggles in general

[tame briar]

He’s better in 1’s than in 2’s imo, a lot of his good combos start at mid to high percents tho and require your oppenent to bounce up off the ground so you can hit them with a down special or another down air into pretty much anything, usually up special or side special, his rage move should push characters away momentarily to give him a chance to recover

[dark sapphire]

I think the one thing that tilts me the most with Jason is the way up air misses ppl because you’d think it catches their airdodge

[timber narwhal]

not against any character with faster attacks than him

(over half the roster)

he has potential

he CAN be great

he is fun

but if someone knows that they are faster than you

you are cooked

[tulip plaza]

#clips message

grab the clown

[tame briar]

Somewhat I would say, I think he definitely struggles more the faster the character is but in turn is able to kill them a lot earlier on, it takes a lot of timing to be good with Jason against fast characters and even then it can be hard cos they usually dodge faster so even if u time it sometimes it won’t work

[mental oar]

12 movies lil man your opinion isn't in this

[tulip plaza]

god this character just does not work, I want to have fun with him so bad but he just does not function

[tulip plaza]

I hate it here man

[knotty sage]

i think that then i kill someone at 50 and the feeling disapears

[timber narwhal]

I wasn't counting FvJ and the reboot

[timber narwhal]

he works, just not really when in 1v1

[tulip plaza]

I guess that's my problem, I'm just a 1s guy
mostly cus I hate when I do a 2v2 and someone just, doesn't connect, so I lose

[mental oar]

4, 6, 7, and X are also good man

[mental oar]

i stop having fun when i fight a morty or steven

black adam too

[timber narwhal]

Eh, I like X but not cuz it`s like

good

I like Jason as a character

but I feel like he works way better outside his own projects

[timber narwhal]

Black Adams in 2v2s all camp

it's very boring

why play a fighting game if you won't fight

[quiet fractal]

Playing 1's as jason and getting mollywhopped by a good iron giant. His side b and sair completely invalidate my neutral game. Any tips?

[devout burrow]

Jason's wr is steadily rising

I have in fact been saying

that Jason is primarily in need of people knowing how to play him and bug fixes

[acoustic crypt]

what if instead of learning and adapting people are just dropping Jason and his win rate is rising bc it's pulling from a smaller pool of players

[devout burrow]

maybe

[devout burrow]

but the character is very difficult and demanding

and not because he's weak

[median geyser]

Why's that?

[median geyser]

Same here I don't like 2s... it's ridiculous

[devout burrow]

moves not connecting properly is the big one

[median geyser]

The side combos are like pretty bad

His uair grounded is also completely bugged, the bed one

[devout burrow]

mist step also sometimes sends up and nowhere

when it should be sending away and into the blastzone

[median geyser]

Bruh

[devout burrow]

I have had it happen 3 times ever

I don't know what causes it

I don't know why it happens

I think it has something to do with the edge

[median geyser]

Jason's character is half baked & a filthy mess

PFG need to do something urgently with this character honestly

[devout burrow]

I mean like

just make him function consistently tbh

or gigabuff him to kingdom come idk

[median geyser]

He lacks the tools

He suffered with most of the filthy bugs mess

He lacks the movement

Like everything else of him is just as sad as it looks

[timber narwhal]

Jason needs a fast air and a fast ground attack

thats where he always loses

because ALL of his attacks are slow

he can't even punish most characters

because of how slow he is

unless he parries

[median geyser]

Pretty much, y'know what's the only fast attacks?

[timber narwhal]

his fastest attacks are so easy to dodge too

[median geyser]

Yes but his fastest attack is the double pokes in the air & it's a joke

[timber narwhal]

honestly no they all feel about the same except for the chargable ones and body bag

[timber narwhal]

the hitbox for that is a joke

[median geyser]

That's why parrying is an extremely & esstential mechanic for him to use

[timber narwhal]

it hardly ever hits anything

[median geyser]

Yeah ik & why does it even need to be two pokes though

Idk what could be done better for it

[timber narwhal]

only the second poke matters

it launches

the first only stuns briefly

[median geyser]

But it's still better than the cleave

The cleave is horrendous & can be whifted easily

[timber narwhal]

the up special? it has its uses

air up special is good depending on the situation, but it's slow

you can use to hit people through the ledge

[median geyser]

I mean it deals chunk of dmg & great knockback but very easy to be whifted ueah

Useless in most of air situations, that's why I used pomes most of the time

[timber narwhal]

like, if someone is ledge camping you, you can bait em and hit em qith the up special

[median geyser]

Unless you playing against babies

[timber narwhal]

and cuz it hits so hard

you might get a kill too

lmao

but yeah Jason is pure potential

but struggles cuz of how slow he is

[median geyser]

His axe neutrals need tp be sped up & have armor

[timber narwhal]

if who you are going against knows how slow jason is

they win by default

unless they are another tank and you have an anti shield build

then you have a chance

not a big chance

but a chance nonethelss

[median geyser]

Nah man WW is like better version of Jason

[timber narwhal]

WW is the exception

she is like

top 3 rn or something

[median geyser]

Almost her entire kits are filled with armor while Jason has zero armor

It's a joke

F*ing hell even Shaggy has armor in chargable neutral but Jason can't???

[timber narwhal]

Supes was changed into a Tank so he could keep all his armor

Jason is legit the only tank with no armor

I think like

his up air has armor if fully charged??

which is useless

[median geyser]

Like idk what are they really thinking to add Jason like this

[timber narwhal]

they wanted him to rely on his charge up

but like

[median geyser]

Just cooked a WW to the ground

& it's insane

I'm currently uploading on YT for y'all to see

[timber narwhal]

his overhealth is worse than armor is almost all fronts

[median geyser]

Cooked her thrice

[timber narwhal]

i won against one the other day

then immediately got matched against a toxic one that knew what felt like infinites

[median geyser]

She rematched me thrice & I absolutely cooked her... she was a good fighter, ngl

[median geyser]

Which charge up?

The rage?

[timber narwhal]

yeah

you can quick tap or charge it up

[median geyser]

It literally takes away 75% of your health which ain't even a good trade off

[timber narwhal]

and tap again

for technically his fastest attack

which is a little roar

[median geyser]

Also Monstrous Sidestep really helps Jason a lot

I sort of underestimated it

[timber narwhal]

they need to remove that

[median geyser]

Like fr they need to, it's really bad trade off

& if you miss, gl all the buffs are gone

Like WW has armors on everything without trade offs is laughable

https://youtu.be/zzKDeRKi0OA

My fight vs WW

[median geyser]

https://youtu.be/3wZTCTPC2CA

Another Jason match

[untold talon]

Is it just me or is Jason's machete hitbox terrible

There are some cases where his attack misses when it blatantly should have

[median geyser]

They're horrible & bugged

In the clips, many people showed it

[untold maple]

needs a fix so bad, His gold perks need reworks in my opinion too. resurrectionist, should just give 20 grey health and not be on a timer, he's to slow to do anything once it procs and monstrous sidestep should switch the damage polarity to damage on reappear instead of activation, side step is to already to easy to predict so teleporting to someone is just asking for trouble.

The recovery of down special should be tightened to, considering it's not a kill move I don't know why it has such high recovery.

[main belfry]

because people are complaining about it

[untold maple]

other then that I've had the most fun with Jason since release his comboes are so satifying,

[main belfry]

The rare times where i return to him and shank someone fairly fine

they complain hed be ,,op"

no its just 200ish matches of jason expierence thats it

[languid harbor]

My brain dies everytime i see someone say "Jason op pls nerf"

[untold maple]

if his hitboxes were not so jank I would probably call him op lol

[main belfry]

i keep it in honor as : you got your ass handed so bad by the worst you call it op

If his problems were fixed he could be actual threat

but considering 90% of his stuff is just bugged and definetly not how it should be