i have like
#Jason
main belfry
got 80 or sum
tacit pivot
i use them a lot
main belfry
i never toast ppl not even my buddy that i play with cuz i forget
tacit pivot
lmao
main belfry
i warn ya my lebron has seen 10 minutes of time on the field
also im sad i wiffed the kill conform on the wall string
main belfry
Honestly i ve barely played anyone since rejoining multiversus, just been existing on jason
tacit pivot
yea same
i know so many of my flaws but its very difficult to get rid of
i know that most of my dodges are extremly readable
main belfry
same lol
tacit pivot
i panic far too much when im about to die
esp of the top
couldve killed you like 2 times but i wanted to be cool
smh
tacit pivot
i do it in friendlies, like this
not online tho
custom jason combos are really fun haha
main belfry
im not abusing my balls enough
actually i nevert checked how many wins i have on jason
not a lot ig
tacit pivot
just 2 idiots now knowing what their character does
main belfry
my ball is just fading your head damn
tacit pivot
alright ive got to go for now
main belfry
aight
tacit pivot
we can play again sometime soon tho
west cloak
Oh I forgot that one exists
tropic eagle
Holy hell, i got a good leaderboard. I was at #6 last night, now i'm only at #7.
Jason mains rise!
tacit pivot
im still number 1
but there is 1 guy that has been playing nonstop for like 10 hours about to overtake me
tropic eagle
That's boutta be me.
tropic eagle
Top 1 here is 10k, and i'm at 5k.
tacit pivot
my top 1 is now at 22k
im at 18k or smth
ill be happy with silver then, gold is too much of a grind
that guy literally has no life
honest yoke
What do you guys think the worst jason matchup is
tropic eagle
Harley, Batman or Finn.
Any combo-heavy fast character tbh.
I would consider them all 9-1.
honest yoke
Yeah I feel like it has to be gizmo
I think Jake is actually one of his worst matchups tbh
main belfry
Feel like jake is free ngl
honest yoke
I always struggle against jake
Haven't lost to a single joker or Harley yet
For me his 3 worst matchups are like gizmo wonder woman Black Adam Jake
honest yoke
I used to think LeBron was really bad but I fought a guy who's probably the best LeBron rn and I feel like it's actually even
honest yoke
On paper it seems like it should be one of his worst matchups straight up
Bron has hella combos and you're a big target that's easy to hit balls on
But with careful spacing and a lot of down special you can start to find gaps in his defense and once you get in on him his disadvantage is really bad
And Jason is really good at exploiting his bad disadvantage
lean flare
With the recent lebron nerf it's probably even easier to beat him now
honest yoke
That nerf basically only affected the Jason matchup for actual good lebrons
At least in any significant way
honest yoke
I definitely have
lean flare
Ill take your word for it
tropic eagle
Holy mother of god, i just played a Joker that i killed at 80% by comboing from 20%, then he gave up and sd'd twice.
I wish i recorded this.
lean flare
Jason can kill so early if he's allowed to
It's great
Especially with Airwalker
tbf tho everyone can with airwalker
honest yoke
Being in burnout vs Jason has to be the scariest thing in this game
tropic eagle
I basically did jab jab side special into normal side air, then he fell into another one of my teleports and i just air up specialed him.
It was so satisfying.
honest yoke
Unless you're black Adam then you can just fly away until your meter is back
tropic eagle
I basically did jab jab side special into normal side air, then he fell into ano...
NO ESCAPE NO ESCAPE NO ESCAPE
honest yoke
And Jason is too slow to catch him
knotty sage
And Jason is too slow to catch him
or just have a faster walk speed than crawl
honest yoke
True I'll just do that
knotty sage
sorry i meant you can kinda escape jason by just running away since he walks so much slower than most of the cast
honest yoke
Oh true
There's only so far most characters can run though
Black Adam can just go super far off stage or super high into the sky with complete air control and no worries about his air resources
tacit pivot
im slowly starting to think that ba might be jasons worst matchuo
along with wonder woman
i asked in the ba char channel for a 1v1 since i need the mu experience
but everytime i play against a ba i just feel so useless
west cloak
His advantage state is crazy with how good his aerial drift is with up b
honest yoke
im slowly starting to think that ba might be jasons worst matchuo
nah its morty and not even close
but BA is like top 3 worst imo
a good morty can just completely stop you from playing the game whatsoever
knotty sage
thank god im not alone with that
west cloak
Morty’s dirt has such an insane glow up due to the slower speed
honest yoke
dirt and grenades are just so hard to play against
and morty is so damn fast that kid is on crack
visual sail
@tacit pivot Bro is comitted to playing this bad character lol
devout burrow
i asked in the ba char channel for a 1v1 since i need the mu experience
I suspected as much
devout burrow
but there's probably something we aren't getting
tacit pivot
when we did a 1v1 i just played him for like 2 days
devout burrow
black adam is very annoying
tacit pivot
but now i actually got some good results already
devout burrow
I'm planning on doing well at this tourney today
that has like
100 ish players I think
devout burrow
arya has randomly felt kind of hard actually
partly because she's so tiny that combos sometimes just don't work on her
visual sail
i got 17th yesterday in a 120 man tourney
Most of the player were probably terrible lol
devout burrow
but like
if I play really really really lame
against arya
it does feel like she struggles
tacit pivot
Most of the player were probably terrible lol
nah
nobody terrible really joins tournaments on a third party website
you gotta be commited to go that extra step usually
nobody casual cares enoughz
devout burrow
people typically don't spend their time going to online tournaments if they don't think they'll do well
devout burrow
online tournaments are a gigantic waste of time if you aren't good
because they aren't even fun
they're all miserable
tacit pivot
yep
tacit pivot
besides , i cant stand superman
devout burrow
I would never in my life consider going to an online smash tourney
tacit pivot
call it a john if you want but that character is the opposite of fun to me
devout burrow
because that would be miserable if I didn't get in the money
devout burrow
besides , i cant stand superman
it's a classic example of a matchup that's actually just fine but god do I never ever wanna see that character
tacit pivot
armor on half his moves, a command grab with a massive hitbox while you fly through the air, attacks where you get hit 10 dif times each hit dealing like 1%
i dont even think superman is that good
but his entire kit feels like its designed to piss you off
its so annoying to fight
tacit pivot
why does every tank get the priviglege of super armor but jason doesnt
and i guess iron giant doesnt either but he has too much bs to worry about armor
tacit pivot
sure but why do i have to deal damage to myself for something other tanks get for free
also it just vanishes after you attack
kinda have to play passive with it
devout burrow
yea
but I really don't think rage mode is like
even the worst thing about him
not by a long shot
tacit pivot
yea it def isnt
devout burrow
I'm sort of fine with it having the downsides it does
because like
it actually just deletes most of jason's flaws while it's active
visual sail
Jason probably needs a rework
tacit pivot
sure as hell aint fixing hitboxes tho
visual sail
but 1v1s are probbaly not their main balance concern
devout burrow
sure as hell aint fixing hitboxes tho
I mean putting armor on your startup is actually pretty close lul
knotty sage
why does every tank get the priviglege of super armor but jason doesnt
at least Jason has tank weight, steven may have on demand armor but man does he have to play passive
visual sail
at least Jason has tank weight, steven may have on demand armor but man does he ...
Barely
The kill power of up airs is so high right now EVERYONE dies at 100
tank weight or not
Its very non balanced currently
devout burrow
like
honestly
if jason had like
marginally less startup on jabs
he would be perfect
tacit pivot
at least Jason has tank weight, steven may have on demand armor but man does he ...
to be fair steven was never a tank
he used to be a support but that class doesnt exist anymore
devout burrow
jab startup is just
tacit pivot
so they just slapped tank on him
devout burrow
so abysmal
it's meant to be a whiff punish tool
but it can't punish anything
other than movement
knotty sage
so they just slapped tank on him
no that would imply they care about him at all, his default says mage but all his skins say tank
devout burrow
tank tank heal tank or something idk
devout burrow
like
tacit pivot
actually nah wait ur right wtf
devout burrow
I really don't think jason is bad
knotty sage
he also is the only character without a tooniverse skin
tacit pivot
why doesnt it
knotty sage
thats just the start of the mistreatment of steven in this game
in every promo hes in he has something wrong with his mouth or just looks really weird in general
all his skins have different skin tones and some sort of issue with the mouth
he felt awful in the beta
didnt even bother to get someone who sounded even slightly like Zach Callison like they did for Lebron, the Gremlins, etc.
Garnet's whole personality is "I sang Stronger than You"
and Steven's is "I'm a little kid"
knotty sage
its a good show with a slow season 1 and a rushed ending but theres a good reason it got 5 seasons
devout burrow
it's tragic how little respect they have for that show lul
tacit pivot
im just starting to get so bored of this game 💀
no ranked, no communication, lazy events
devout burrow
it's like they based the SU characters on the video essays calling it bad
visual sail
im just starting to get so bored of this game 💀
Play a character that doesnt suck
or just play something else
visual sail
He does
tacit pivot
i wouldve played somebody else if i didnt like jason
devout burrow
yea the complete lack of communication sucks
knotty sage
it's like they based the SU characters on the video essays calling it bad
they based Steven on the fact hes 12 years old and Garnet on the fact she sang "Stronger than You"
devout burrow
yea
devout burrow
garnet isn't a real character
she's a gem, gems are lesbians, lesbians are gay, gays aren't people
therefore not real
oh god someone is going to tag a mod and I'm going to die
tacit pivot
most sane jason player comment
knotty sage
she's a gem, gems are lesbians, lesbians are gay, gays aren't people
no she's 2 lesbians in a trench coat
devout burrow
no she's 2 lesbians in a trench coat
oh yea I forgot about that
devout burrow
most sane jason player comment
I'm quite possibly the least sane jason player
I believe in this character way too much
knotty sage
oh yeah also steven's moveset uses moves he canonically shouldnt know based on the version in game
devout burrow
I mean does that part really matter
knotty sage
I mean does that part really matter
it kinda does when every other character uses moves they at least solely visually should be able to use
devout burrow
that makes sense
visual sail
she's a gem, gems are lesbians, lesbians are gay, gays aren't people
@mods
tacit pivot
comparing joker and jason
visual sail
comparing joker and jason
Joker is overtuned like crazy because its built for this game speed
knotty sage
joker's dam crowbar is gonna make me go insane
visual sail
but hes not broken like Harley
tacit pivot
why are all of jokers moves so disgustingly disjointed but jasons arent
jason doesnt have a single disjointed move im pretty sure
devout burrow
because people think that joker is just like them fr and love the joker
jason is an old man
tacit pivot
so he gets physically hurt when you kick his machete?
knotty sage
and Jason hasnt had a movie since 2009
tacit pivot
ngl i think its smarter for them to not show hitboxes
devout burrow
I would like to be able to make educated claims
tacit pivot
they sure dont
devout burrow
street fighter hitboxes
lapis mist
ngl i think its smarter for them to not show hitboxes
SHOW BUGS UP AIR HITBOX 😡
devout burrow
which would look a little weird
but I mean like
giving players more information is always a good thing
it's honestly my biggest problem with the game rn
knotty sage
SHOW BUGS UP AIR HITBOX 😡
I HATE CHARACTERS WITH BATS I HATE CHARACTERS WITH BATS
devout burrow
is that we know literally nothing about it
devout burrow
I HATE CHARACTERS WITH BATS I HATE CHARACTERS WITH BATS
bro hates morrigan so much
knotty sage
is that we know literally nothing about it
i wonder why the devs wouldnt want people to see hitboxes
devout burrow
i wonder why the devs wouldnt want people to see hitboxes
it's more than likely because they still see the game as "casual"
knotty sage
i remember during the beta a leaker managed to get a hitbox viewer
knotty sage
it's more than likely because they still see the game as "casual"
in that case how did we get smash hitboxes
lapis mist
i hate how many hitboxes seem to catch you behind the opponent. commonly seen with jab strings on harley/joker/WW
devout burrow
which is super fair
devout burrow
in that case how did we get smash hitboxes
someone datamined them
knotty sage
ah
knotty sage
didnt the devs say (at least in the beta) that they wanted to officially help competitive, which is why they had a tourney at EVO?
tacit pivot
i would be surprised if they dont, they have people like ajax and nakat on their team
ofc they want it to be comp
devout burrow
i hate how many hitboxes seem to catch you behind the opponent. commonly seen wi...
this is super common for platform fighters because of the fact that, if the hitboxes weren't a bit larger behind than they "should" be, then they would often miss when they should hit
knotty sage
its totally bc they dont want us to see their bias in balancing
knotty sage
the amount of times ive been hit by moves that havent even visually begun swinging yet
devout burrow
or something stupid about how it's more fun to discover it
knotty sage
shaggy was the worst offender, bro would clench his fist and you'd be hit
devout burrow
omg
beta shaggy was a menace
you guys don't understand how much hatred I had for that character
knotty sage
he'd pull back his fist
knotty sage
you guys don't understand how much hatred I had for that character
i played steven i totally get it
lapis mist
beta shaggy was a menace
i miss the wave stomping
devout burrow
i played steven i totally get it
I think they actually buffed him
in the first beta patch
in a similar way that they nerfed taz
knotty sage
nah i think they nerfed him first
knotty sage
yeah i think it was the Watermelon cd nerf
devout burrow
they nerfed taz's one good move
without giving him other ones
that's when I decided that the game wasn't worth playing
bc the dev team is just outright incompetent
main belfry
oh god someone is going to tag a mod and I'm going to die
as gay lesbian amethyst i feel cracked
tulip plaza
how in gods name is jason meant to fight morty, like jesus christ man
tulip plaza
not a surprise, the only people playing morty are 24/7 sweats so you'd already have a hard time with someone like that with any character
let alone jason
honest yoke
Every other character I can at least fight and hold my own and if I lose I can identify something I did wrong but against Morty there is really just nothing we can do
tulip plaza
I guess this is what I get for playing MVS version of ganondorf
its fun but everyone else seems to be much better
why must it be this way
honest yoke
Joker, Black Adam, Gizmo, Harley, wonder woman all feel like I can beat if I just play better but playing against a good Morty is just pure despair there is no amount of skill that can overcome that matchup
tulip plaza
pretty much all those characters I can do nothing about because the people playing those characters seem to ONLY play those characters
which I guess look whos talking me with jason as my highest leveled but blehhh
tropic eagle
Holy hell, i got a good leaderboard. I was at #6 last night, now i'm only at #7.
6 and a half hours later, i'm still top 5. This is a great leaderboard.
Still playing only Jason.
muted dove
So first try using jason
And I feel so slow
I been a bLcl adam main for a while so it seems I need to adjust to not having my insane mobility
*black
tropic eagle
I started with Jason, so every other character feels giga-fast for me, lmfao.
honest yoke
He's a very read focused character which makes him very satisfying to play
It's gotta be so scary to fight Jason because you know one bad dodge or wrong move or burnout can just be a death sentence for you
tropic eagle
God i have no idea how to fight Shaggy.
muted dove
It's gotta be so scary to fight Jason because you know one bad dodge or wrong mo...
Hm so basically don't be the one Initiating the offense and wait for them to come at me
Playing like ig I assume
honest yoke
Not necessarily it kinda depends on the matchup
muted dove
Yea I assume against the slower cast u can come in to strike
But the faster ones u gotta wait
honest yoke
Air down special is a really powerful approach tool and using rage to get in people's faces is really good
muted dove
Ooo ic
honest yoke
I also like to use dash jump nair as an approach sometimes it can catch people off guard how quick you move with it
jovial apex
When should I go for jab jab into bed?
tropic eagle
Still playing only Jason.
Got to #4. Stopping for today, but the grind continues.
tropic eagle
When should I go for jab jab into bed?
I personally do it when i teleport behind someone and they whiff a move.
muted dove
How do u hit jerry
Stomp I assume? Because this damn Tom kept juggling me with paddle
Could not get the jerry
devout burrow
1-1 in the friends tourney
lost to a bugs r1
beat gizmo
it'll be fine I'll just make the losers run
tacit pivot
i got dqed in winners cuz i forgot lmfao
im 3-1 now
i probably couldve had a winners run ngl
now im playing against taz and i dont know the matchup so this could be kinda bad
languid harbor
pretty much all those characters I can do nothing about because the people playi...
Me but with Batman.
tacit pivot
nvm its against a marvin player, thats way worse
ive got 150 hours in the game and i havent seen a single marvin
this is super bad
probably losing here
languid harbor
i got dqed in winners cuz i forgot lmfao
DQ is my fav fast food place
muted dove
Why not ask the Marvin centered channel
languid harbor
anything i should know against marvin?
He'll get very angry. Very angry indeed
tacit pivot
Why not ask the Marvin centered channel
no time to pull it up, already in champ select
besides, that channel is probably dead
muted dove
Ic
languid harbor
Nah theres people talking
devout burrow
i got dqed in winners cuz i forgot lmfao
currently losing to rick because I don't know how the character functions
this is my first time fighting rick
tacit pivot
i just 2stocked the marvin
but uh
i dont know what he did to me
also my first time fighting marvin
devout burrow
I'm 0-1 vs rick
west cloak
Marvin has a lot of projectiles
west cloak
I’ve only faced two of them ever. One was terrible and I beat him easy. The other was insanely cracked and I got destroyed
tacit pivot
i also won
won 2-0 against the marvin
now 4-1
total
my only loss being a DQ
cuz im dumb
devout burrow
I'm very sad about my loss to bugs
I threw really hard
I'm technically 3-1 tho
cause I had a DQ
tacit pivot
kinda ye
but i dont know if i can win against a wonder women
its a really difficult matchup
imo
what bracket are u in btw
pool*
devout burrow
what
devout burrow
ye
wait
oh I knew a DTM
he was in fact german
hm
my opponent is a minute away from DQing
prayging
oh he was roping it kek
devout burrow
poggies
tacit pivot
next match is either superman or t&j
west cloak
What tournament is this?
tacit pivot
What tournament is this?
this
he is in pool 4, im in pool 2
im currently waiting for my match, a t&j and superman are fighting it out
dont wanna play against either tbh
and hes fighting a joekr
joker
west cloak
Quite a lot of DQs
tacit pivot
Quite a lot of DQs
always
devout burrow
I missed some confirms and punishes vs joker
tacit pivot
i got dq'ed round 1 cuz im an idiot
devout burrow
I happened to be the lucky person to have a DQ r1 losers
devout burrow
and then someone's internet went out
mid-tourney
and I happened to get that guy
as his internet went out
so like
by games I went 2-2
but I probably would have won those games anyway
so it's fine
I'm so sad about throwing vs joker and bugs
I just decided to take really bad approaches
at times where I knew it wouldn't work
but I got desperate
cause I was mega terrified of losing
I need to check the ego and stop thinking about what if I lose
because I know that the real answer if what if I lose is basically nothing
devout burrow
I guarantee
if I had taken
2 more correct paths
I would have like
guaranteed won vs the joker
tacit pivot
god now i need to take a sht
devout burrow
I know
tacit pivot
whatever
devout burrow
I've needed to use the bathroom since 10m before the tourney started lul
been just powering through
I really just need to like
play the game a lot more
and polish the mistakes out
learn some matchups
because god knows that casual matchmaking won't let me do that
tacit pivot
won the first game, but again really fcking close
devout burrow
just win it
tacit pivot
ye
devout burrow
it'll be obnoxious tho
devout burrow
if you play it correct it'll be free
tacit pivot
idk i got like 0 mu knowledge
dont put the pressure on me haha
ill make it work tho
devout burrow
oh yea
devout burrow
that happened to me vs the rick
tacit pivot
that was fcking nuts
devout burrow
I got deleted first game
then I almost brought it back
but afterwards I actually stomped on his balls 2 games in a row
tacit pivot
lost the second game last stock last hit
so close
i cannot stand that char
i lost 1-2
that character requires zero fcking skill
more braindead than finn or banana guard
literally made for toddlers
spam moves and win anyways cuz u get priviliges other characters dont
that fcker told me "jason is slow, idk how u beat superman"
god i hate when i ask people for advice on the mu and all they tell me is "idk bro"
like u play the char for 300 hours straight u gotta know something
character built to piss you off
not the worst mu, but by far the least fun oen
i went 5-2 tho, i guess it couldve been worse
still annoying i have to lose to that character of all things
devout burrow
god i hate when i ask people for advice on the mu and all they tell me is "idk b...
this was literally my entire 3500 hour experience playing DK in ult
it sucked
it's fine because ape together strong
tacit pivot
true
-> 25th out of 177
-> 5th out of 20
-> 17th out of 126
-> 25th out of 128
thats my recent results
not too bad i suppose
just a start tho
devout burrow
my current only result is 33rd of 177
planning in getting more that are better
I will be one of the best to ever touch this video game
lean flare
that fcker told me "jason is slow, idk how u beat superman"
Consider the perk that gives your dash armor breaking
It might help
devout burrow
i already did
it's honestly not worth the slot
you'd literally be better off whiff punishing his armored moves anyway
lean flare
I prefer pugilist too, but if its a struggle I could see that helping
devout burrow
raw damage numbers are typically better
tulip plaza
oh my god yeah, so many times my moves just, straight up go through a guy
west cloak
Gizmo is insanely good
He’s really small, moves decently fast, has fairly disjointed attacks for a character of his size, and has surprisingly decent kill power
muted dove
His up attack is wild
west cloak
His up b is also active for like the entire animation
And don’t even bother trying to challenge his parasol
severe barn
Is there a jason server for learning combos and such?
honest yoke
There is I'll dm it to you since I can't post the link here
devout burrow
wait
there is???
also I've figured out the arya matchup
the answer is the jump button
almost everything arya has that's scary is a grounded option or something that otherwise doesn't cover the air very well
to be able to deal with you empty hopping with armor she has to catch a landing
her aerials are too weak to deal with it
avoiding dagger is also very important
devout burrow
There is I'll dm it to you since I can't post the link here
I thought character discords were literally just a smash thing lul
rapid cargo
God I love how Jason feels
when he hits
and then reality comes crashing back down when I fight a Harley LOL
dull axle
and then reality comes crashing back down when I fight a Harley LOL
I just got a pretty cool win against a Harley lol. I KO'd her with the same sleeping bag setup 2x in a row.
You'd think by now people would know that jab doesnt combo into sleeping bag.
rapid cargo
I just got a pretty cool win against a Harley lol. I KO'd her with the same slee...
ooooh got a clip?
dull axle
ooooh got a clip?
I'd post it, but it's on my YT and idk what the rule is for self promo on this server
rapid cargo
damn, that's alright
I think I'm starting to understand Jason...
His hitboxes at least
Gotta really know your spacing with him
dull axle
@rapid cargo I just checked the rules and it doesn't seem like there is anything against self-promo. So check #clips I guess.
rapid cargo
sick clip man
dull axle
sick clip man
Thanks
median geyser
when he hits
The weapon hits are very satisfying tbh
Especially you do double pokes in the air
You hear these smooth blade hitting
rapid cargo
SUPER satisfying
im gettin a little neat with him ngl
Gotta definitely face more Harleys though
tacit pivot
also
i might be extremly skill issued in the mu
but how can everybody say that taz is dogsht
he has multiple loops, attacks where he is literally invincible with ginormous hitboxes, can turn you into a chicken if done right for like 10 fcking seconds or something
that character is so overtuned
why does literally everybody say that hes ass
honest yoke
he isn't ass
i dont think he has great neutral though
but his advantage is super strong
undone totem
one of my machete attacks went straight through harley's brain and didnt connect
main belfry
yeah harleys hitbox is uh, janky to say the least
honest yoke
did anyone else here know that teleport doesn't consume rage
even if you hit someone with it
you keep the gray health after
undone totem
how useful is the rage really
honest yoke
yeah rage is super important
tacit pivot
rage is a saving grace in some matchups but useless in others
honest yoke
its so nice
armoring through an attack to knock someone offstage with side special then being offstage with them while still in rage is crazy good
main belfry
Rage doesnt consume on miststep?
that seems
alright?
i mean makes sense ig jason doesnt actually attack in the move
tropic eagle
I love this damn character.
So i was playing a Harley that was up 2-0 on me. I hit her with down air into up air into air up special.
Killed at 80.
She then jumped off stage twice.
neon spire
She then jumped off stage twice.
Damn, you killed their soul!
tropic eagle
This happened yesterday too.
Just happened again against a Morty, lmfao.
Started t-bagging after he rung me out, so i had to knock some sense.
main belfry
i swear at this point people are sabotaging me in 2s
i play it like every once in a while and everytime the teammate is afk or jumps off the map 4 times
median geyser
Also Jason is just better in 1's.
How is Jason better at 1s?
He's easily bodied in 1s
tacit pivot
He's easily bodied in 1s
sounds like a skill issue
i do think jason is better in 2s but hes not as bad as people say he is in 1s
median geyser
sounds like a skill issue
He's easily bodied with many S Tier Characters dude?
median geyser
You need to work 5x harder as Jason in order to win 1s really & plus he's buggy as hell
tacit pivot
every character is buggy currently
and you do need to work harder but you are massively blowing it out of proportion
median geyser
I'm not sure about other characters but for Jason he's some noticeable amount of bugs
tacit pivot
every char is
median geyser
???
median geyser
its not a jason exclusive thing
It isn't but Jason isn't fully baked
tacit pivot
ik
median geyser
Also idk if you checked out my video yet but feel free to say out what things I need to cook on
tacit pivot
sure i will in a bit
my point stands tho, i think jason needs buffs, and i dont think hes that good rn, but you were blowing out of proportion how much more work you need to put in as jason
i currently have a 70% winrate over 230 or so games with jason only, while nearly 80% of those games were against the top 7 or so chars of the game, that being joker, harley, ww, gizmo and so on
hes not easily bodied if you know what you are doing
where is your video tho
main belfry
tbf im pretty sure jason is better in 1s
tropic eagle
I mean, getting comboed by 1 character is bad enough, now imagine 2 at the same time.
knotty sage
yeah less chance to DI when your getting combo'd in 2 directions
knotty sage
but also if jason has a good teammate to get him out of combos and protect him hes a lot scarier
minor radish
Probably my favorite character in the game to play
If only he wasn't the size of a Punch-Out!! opponent
ocean vale
i seariously don't undestand why give him hurtboxes on his weapons when they should be disjointed
against harley or anyone with a lingering hittbox u can't even counter em if they do immediate attack
devout burrow
bro
I just got deleted by harley in bracket
bc I like
am not warmed up at all and this man actually just looped me to death lul
devout burrow
I'm still in losers
it's kind of annoying that both tourneys I've been to I've been knocked to losers r1
devout burrow
oh yea
tacit pivot
nvm its against a marvin
rough
i lost both games but it was pretty close
im surprised how well im doing against marv considering i genuinely dont know half his moveset
he had 3k wins too
told me im the best jason hes seen smh
the ego going through the roof with this one
tacit pivot
u won?
also i really dont care about this tourney no matter what placement i get
because this isnt seeded at all
they told me too
you could get 5th as a bad player and 150th as a mediocre player
it just szucks
i just won against the harley tho in losers
tacit pivot
i play against either gizmo or harley, depending on who wins
man these brackets are misserable
devout burrow
corny goofy characters all around
tacit pivot
corny goofy characters all around
you get a dq win if you win against the arya
the guy in front of you isnt there
devout burrow
you get a dq win if you win against the arya
that's really funny
devout burrow
I know
it's been so slow
I think it's cause the TO didn't split the tourney up into pools
so it's loading a lot more than it "should"
devout burrow
this website is about to get me DQ;d
tacit pivot
yea i cant do anything either
devout burrow
try restarting your browser
and quick
you have like 2m
my r1 loss is currently 4-0 rn
so I am
a little less upset about it
tacit pivot
im losing this
this gizmo is spamming arrow and i genuinely dont know what to do against it
nah im not even going to play the second game
for the sake of my own mental health
that might have been the least fun i have ever had in this game
tacit pivot
i just dont understand how you can pick someone like gizmo, spam arrow and be proud of yourself
how does that guy look in the mirror and doesnt throw up at the sight of himself
its beyond me
devout burrow
I'm unsure how bad gizmo is for jason because I've just not played against a lot of gizmo and I've just beaten every gizmo I've fought
lul
I played against a gizmo last night and he was literally like
raging at jason
it was hilarious
tacit pivot
i had no clue they werent going to seed it until it wwas too late
got 25th so its not embarassing at least
im swapping to sf6 for now
tacit pivot
cant deal with the current state of mv rn
devout burrow
I don't have sf6 sadge
I would play sf6 dhalsim so much
that character looks very fun
tacit pivot
top tiers in multiversus feels so much stronger than any top tier in any other game
its unbearable
devout burrow
god
he will never know the horrors of playing against sf4 seth
or SF2 claw lul
this game is far more balanced than I am used to
alright I'm against swaggy
here's to potentially getting 17th
tacit pivot
this game is far more balanced than I am used to
more balanced than unbalanced games does not equal balanceds
this game is still in an awful state
ill wait until patches come out cuz im genuinely not having fun playing this game rn
tropic eagle
he will never know the horrors of playing against sf4 seth
SONIC BOOM
ornate rover
how does that guy look in the mirror and doesnt throw up at the sight of himself
LOOOOOOL
lapis mist
this gizmo is spamming arrow and i genuinely dont know what to do against it
parry reflect perk?
median grove
parry reflect perk?
that perk should be base parry behaviour ngl
cursive kernel
I prefer the walk shield perk over the reflect one
Consistency is king but I mean if you're a god at somehow reacting to the speed of gizmo arrows then you're simply cracked
cursive kernel
top tiers in multiversus feels so much stronger than any top tier in any other g...
Ngl I definitely agree with you about the state of the game
You should def join me on my quest to make solid points with complaints into the gamefeedback channel
lapis mist
that perk should be base parry behaviour ngl
i agree. it would make much more sense considering you dont really get a benefit from parrying a projectile vs dodgeing it. Melee gets a hitstun and projectiles should be reflected
west cloak
that perk should be base parry behaviour ngl
Parrying a projectile without the parry reflect perk is actually detrimental
You’re just put into lag and nothing happens to the opponent
Parrying a projectile close range will literally get you punished
Which goes against the entire idea of parry
median grove
That's why Rivals of Aether's parry 🔛🔝
elfin fossil
Jason's rage shouldn't drop on a wiff, ngl
elfin fossil
I've been able to catch some people in UpS axe grab loops at low percents, and I'm getting real good at bagging people, but beyond that, nah
boreal shadow
does jason kill the earliest out of the entire cast?
inner lodge
Jason's rage shouldn't drop on a wiff, ngl
I just wish it wasn’t beaten by armor breaking moves. It’s not even armor!
tulip plaza
one problem also with jason rage is the max gray health is gives is like 20
some moves uncharged just straight up do 20 damage
elfin fossil
I just wish it wasn’t beaten by armor breaking moves. It’s not even armor!
Exactly!
elfin fossil
one problem also with jason rage is the max gray health is gives is like 20
some...
Yeah, it should be more, especially because you lose it even if you don't get hit after a single attack. It should give more and only vanish on a confirmed hit, no wiff. Also, armor break shouldn't get through it
It's his trump card, and it's hard to fully charge, let it be good rather than just a kill move for 2v2 when you got a teammate who's good at the tie down.
1v1 I only really get anything out of rage if I: Shoulder Charge, or 2 am already clearly better than my opponent
tulip plaza
his biggest weakness right now is that his weapons have hurtboxes which I just don't know how that ever made it past testing
elfin fossil
does jason kill the earliest out of the entire cast?
Generaly, yes, not counting 0-death combos (which rarely happen in actual play)
elfin fossil
his biggest weakness right now is that his weapons have hurtboxes which I just d...
I KNOW RIGHT! what is even the point, it's so aggravating to read the opponent like a book and trade anyway because Axe Grab has a hurtbox on the axe
tulip plaza
like I didn't believe it at first when I heard it right
but then I had it happen to me first hand
with the bed
I missed the bed, and my opponent above me did a down attack and hit the bed, which hurt jason
boreal shadow
Generaly, yes, not counting 0-death combos (which rarely happen in actual play)
like true zero to death combos?
elfin fossil
What I mean is in terms of single hit kills, Jason needs the least percent, especially with Rage
inner lodge
A lot of characters right now seem to be lacking disjointed hit boxes on their attacks. Jake is probably the most obvious (and painful)
elfin fossil
A lot of characters right now seem to be lacking disjointed hit boxes on their a...
At least Jake, from what I've seen, has a lot of Purple attacks, and his moves are his body.
Though maybe I'm just jelly because every Jake I've fought has been peak and trashed me XD
devout burrow
I just wish it wasn’t beaten by armor breaking moves. It’s not even armor!
it does what armor does so it is in fact armor
like unless they wanna go
erm jason armor special...
inner lodge
it does what armor does so it is in fact armor
Well it’s not yellow, and isn’t called ARMOR in the game. Jason’s special gives him gray health, and then his passive prevents him from taking knockback while he has gray health
So in some sense, yes, Jason armor special
elfin fossil
I'm with SummDude on this
inner lodge
Though I don’t know if I can co-sign on not losing his buff on a whiff…maybe just a little more gray health, or a little less self-damage
It’s a rather short cooldown already
elfin fossil
Though I don’t know if I can co-sign on not losing his buff on a whiff…maybe jus...
Id take all the downsides If it didn't feel like I didn't just hurt myself to test the opponents dodge button functionality, but end of the day, it needs something. Right now it's not keeping up with the rest of his kit
gritty hemlock
If you think you're safe from being hit, you're not.
lapis mist
Yeah, it should be more, especially because you lose it even if you don't get hi...
this is way too much lol. jason has the potential to take really early stocks so its a fine line between where he is now and best in the game
i think if his hitboxes were touched up and his frame data tweaked slightly that would be all he needs
devout burrow
just played a jason mirror where I got smashed cause I was tilting from tf2
then after 2 games I absolutely mogged him and he left
elfin fossil
this is way too much lol. jason has the potential to take really early stocks so...
Frankly I wouldn't mind my boy being best in game XD but that's selfish. I'm just tired of "Big strong slow" always being bad because all the matters is how insane movement is.
lapis mist
Frankly I wouldn't mind my boy being best in game XD but that's selfish. I'm jus...
you and me both. would be a nice change of pace from fighting harley every game
tulip plaza
god, Jason is probably my favorite character to play, but people are only playing like top 5 characters online so it just feels bad to play him a lot of the time
but I want to keep playing him graaaa
west cloak
Dude everyone is playing WW, Harley, Joker, Bugs, and Gizmo
Maybe one in every 15-20 games I’ll find someone who isn’t playing one of them
In 1v1 at least
Thankfully there’s at least some variety in 2v2, but it’s still mainly those same characters
tulip plaza
gee, I wonder what those characters could possibly have in common
really makes ya think
devout burrow
Though I don’t know if I can co-sign on not losing his buff on a whiff…maybe jus...
if you could whiff while in armor jason would basically be impossible to contest ever
I think letting jason whiff would have to come with a compensatory nerf to the move
like it would be that crazy
muted dove
I hate gizmo ong fr
devout burrow
like ww armor lasts wayyy less time than jason's
jason's armor lasts forever if you don't attack/get broken
tulip plaza
I feel like it shouldn't go away on one whiff, at least give jason like
I dunno three
if you miss three that's on you
west cloak
Most Shaggy players are pretty bad
And this is me saying this as someone who primarily plays Shaggy
Granted, his nair is currently borderline negative on hit at low percents, and it was his most important combo extender. So like the only thing he can do besides a few jab confirms is run away and charge rage and abuse rage specials
median geyser
Granted, his nair is currently borderline negative on hit at low percents, and i...
Exactly but most of the times they're cowards
Coz all they can do is just spamming the super kick or something like that... it's annoying
west cloak
It’s unfortunately the optimal strategy now that his combo game is dead
He gets like 30% off a combo now without rage
median geyser
I mean you're playing against the worst Tank & can't even use much more skills to defeat him...
The Shaggy I played against doesn't even dodge my attacks once...
He just runs away & goes back to spam kicks
west cloak
That’s probably because he’s ass
Most Shaggy players are just kick spammers
They’re pretty easy to deal with and are extremely predictable
median geyser
He defeated me once, I tried to rematch but he declined then we meet again in random matchmaking then I gave him taste of medicine
He tried to rematch then I declined
Got him a taste of medicine
median geyser
They’re pretty easy to deal with and are extremely predictable
Idk what are the available punishes for that
Coz like after I dodge, idk what to do after that...
west cloak
I had the same thing happen but against a Morty
elfin fossil
jason's armor lasts forever if you don't attack/get broken
Yeah but you can get broken out of it into instant hitstun with some moves, since it only lasts while grey health, not by hit number
west cloak
But he was actually decent and was just super toxic
west cloak
Idk what are the available punishes for that
Full hop over kick and dair him
median geyser
I also got into the toxic Marvin while playing at the worst stage for Jason
median geyser
Full hop over kick and dair him
Guess I'd do that...
west cloak
Kick spammers won’t ever angle it up
median geyser
Yeah...
west cloak
And it doesn’t go too high vertically anyway
median geyser
I don't even play Shaggy but when I do during missions & rifts, I mostly try to use different moves instead relying on same moves over again
west cloak
If Shaggy’s hit you with dodge cancelled jabs and know his kill confirms like jab jab up b, utilt up b, dair up b, dair sair, etc then you know the Shaggy is at least decent
median geyser
If Shaggy’s hit you with dodge cancelled jabs and know his kill confirms like ja...
Yeah... not just a spammy kicks
west cloak
If a Shaggy is spamming normal kicks, you can armor through it with max charged rage
Super kick will beat rage because it has armor + armor break
west cloak
They already mentioned Shaggy’s nair is gonna get readjusted to be a real move again
When that happens, the MU is gonna be way harder for Jason because he’s big and will likely eat huge damage from a combo
median geyser
They already mentioned Shaggy’s nair is gonna get readjusted to be a real move a...
& idrk if dair special is any good for him
median geyser
When that happens, the MU is gonna be way harder for Jason because he’s big and ...
Which is why he's the worst tank & need significant buffs coz he's half baked
Buggy as heck most of the times
west cloak
I know. I’ve been advocating for Jason buffs pretty much since like day 2
He currently has the lowest win rate in both 1v1 and 2v2
They need to do something
median geyser
He currently has the lowest win rate in both 1v1 and 2v2
Evidence?
As I said before... they kinda rushed Jason without even playing him properly... therefore he's really half baked
west cloak
Evidence?
I believe the site pools data from one week at a time
In a day or two, Iron Giant’s win rate will drop to 0% because he’ll have no data
median geyser
Hmm yeah
median geyser
Right Jason really has a low winrate but average pickrate due to his popularity
median geyser
Notice his like 0.7% pick rate
Dunno how they kinda dropped but probably new characters
median geyser
Oh to fix him yeah yeah
west cloak
Yeah
median geyser
Although I think some Jason moves need armor heavily...
west cloak
Jason needs something more to compensate for his really slow speed and big hurtbox
He’s the second biggest behind IG
median geyser
He’s the second biggest behind IG
He's actually worse than IG despite being a little bit faster & has less hitbox than him
Coz this man doesn't have any typical armor moves despite being complete undead tank
west cloak
That’s because IG had like 3-4 infinites, several more ToD combos, a reversal kill option that deletes you at 0% if you’re even halfway between the stage and the top blast zone, etc
median geyser
Exactly
& even Wonder Woman is an overall better Tank than Jason
Wonder Woman has everything almost better than Jason can have
west cloak
I mean, WW is the best character in the game
median geyser
Yes & she's a Tank man... best Tank in the game by far
west cloak
That’s because IG had like 3-4 infinites, several more ToD combos, a reversal ki...
Oh, I forgot he also had even more infinites and death combos in his rage mode
rapid cargo
god, all I want is slightly better frame data and hitbox adjustments for jason
tulip plaza
my favorite thing ever is losing hard core to a character (morty, harley, WW), going into their channel, only to see someone say "man this character so bad"
like broooooooooooo
median geyser
my favorite thing ever is losing hard core to a character (morty, harley, WW), g...
You mean Jason is bad? They're brainded then
west cloak
Jason needs a bit more range, his slowest moves need to be a bit faster, rage needs more gray health/leas self damage and not be broken by armor breaking moves, and probably a bit more tbh
west cloak
my favorite thing ever is losing hard core to a character (morty, harley, WW), g...
Losing as WW is a choice
You chose to lose if you’re losing as WW
median geyser
Jason needs a bit more range, his slowest moves need to be a bit faster, rage ne...
More than you can imagine coz again he's half baked
& Dexter Laboratory 2 is the worst stage for Jason to be in btw
tulip plaza
Losing as WW is a choice
which is made even more annoying when I saw that one thing going around today of Nakat being like "yeah you can beat WW so she clearly isn't a problem" and then seeing all these list of like characters in recent tournaments and there are 16 people playing WW
yeah totally no problems
west cloak
which is made even more annoying when I saw that one thing going around today of...
Nakat does in fact downplay WW. But at least he recognizes that she’s top tier
median geyser
which is made even more annoying when I saw that one thing going around today of...
Nakat doesn't even understand how strong Wonder Woman is though... & idk how he feels about Jason
west cloak
Is it any surprise that WW and Gizmo have the two highest win rates in both 1v1 and 2v2
If a character is popular and does extremely well, it’s because the character is actually insanely strong
WW has the 3rd highest pick rate in both 1v1 and 2v2
Reindog also has an extremely high win rate currently but he has a really low pick rate
median geyser
Due to being og character ofc
Jason has higher pickrate I think coz of his popularity
west cloak
So it’s really just matchup unfamiliarity and the people who play him aren’t casuals since they gravitate to characters like WW, Bugs, Harley, Shaggy, etc
tulip plaza
I have been playing tons of jason like I've mentioned
its kinda that ganondorf thing
hes really fun but so weak
west cloak
The easier characters
west cloak
I have been playing tons of jason like I've mentioned
its kinda that ganondorf t...
Jason is literally the Ganondorf of Multiversus
tulip plaza
but even worse
west cloak
He’s really slow in both movement and frame data, but he hits hard
tulip plaza
ganondorf with a mewtwo tail hurtbox
west cloak
Jason at least has a teleport
tulip plaza
which hopefully he goes to being just the ganon of MVS
west cloak
Ganon would kill for that because his recovery is so bad
median geyser
He’s really slow in both movement and frame data, but he hits hard
Idrk if his uair special is any good coz they can be easily dodged
tulip plaza
I actually remember going on a win streak with ganondorf against my friends once, and they were all just shocked that someone actually played that character pfft
west cloak
Sair, utilt and ntilt (especially charged), mist, up b, and anything in rage
Those all kill
west cloak
I actually remember going on a win streak with ganondorf against my friends once...
Most of my friends, like me, play Smash competitively, so we don’t really get bullied by Ganon like your average casual friend group would
tulip plaza
to be fair I am the most competitive member of the friend group too I suppose
naturally I'd get demolished on elite smash lol
west cloak
When I say competitively, I mean offline tournaments btw
tulip plaza
I'm as competitive as a casual can get I guess?
no tournaments for me just online or friends
west cloak
Elite Smash is kinda bad because Nintendo online has like 30 frames of input delay
west cloak
I'm as competitive as a casual can get I guess?
no tournaments for me just onli...
My college hosted tournaments and there were plenty in the area to attend
tulip plaza
I just kinda got used to it I feel
but no one else has so all my friends eventually stopped playing smash
and not all of them are interested in MVS (especially with how hard it is to unlock characters rn)
the woes
west cloak
A few of my friends are interested in MVS, but not too many of them
I think the addition of the missing features and speeding up the game by like 25% will make them consider trying it again
tulip plaza
there was one friend who said the game felt good, but their desire to play was killed off when they saw how much of a grind a single character unlock is
which I can't blame them
west cloak
Yeah that too
If you didn’t play the beta, idk if I could recommend you play with how tedious and time consuming it is to unlock new characters
tulip plaza
yeah, which I hope they make changes to this very soon because as much as I love MVS, I can't in good confidence recommend it to a newcomer
west cloak
It would be great to see both battle pass XP increased a bit more than just 10 per win/5 per loss and actually award fighter currency for playing matches
Like even as little as 10 fighter currency per match would be so much more beneficial
It would still take 300 games to unlock a new character
But at least you could do it without needing to focus on tedious challenges
And like the fact that the game is always online + the tedious grind for characters means that offline tournaments will probably never happen unless something is changed
tulip plaza
oh man, I remember doing crushing rifts with a friend, we did the stripe and jason one, I didn't have the gem levels but he did, so I got to get some easy levels on those gems
the next day I wanted to do the joker rift with him to level up my gems like the other two rifts, but they had JUST made a change that prevented you from doing it like that
west cloak
At $10 per character using glemium, no sane person would spend $240 to unlock every character for a single setup for an offline tournament
tulip plaza
god yeah
I mean I guess they can do tournaments in training mode pfftt
west cloak
I don’t think they’d do offline ones at all
Just online ones
Even the entire Smash Ultimate roster can be bought for only like $100 including the full price of the game
And that’s like almost 4x the characters
It’s a shame because I’m certain that it’s a WB decision for the monetization and insane grinding requirement to get things for free and not a PFG decision
tulip plaza
until I have evidence otherwise, I will always believe that PFG really does have the best intentions that are sadly skewed by WB
west cloak
Same thing as like Activision firing the majority of its staff that produces call of duty and only focusing on making more shop items
Hearing insights from people who previously worked at those companies pretty much always said it was awful to work for because it was like minimum 60 hour weeks for not much pay and insanely strict deadlines with no real direction from higher ups
west cloak
until I have evidence otherwise, I will always believe that PFG really does have...
Yeah like their name, PFG seems to actually want to put players first
It’s a shame that they likely couldn’t really meet the deadline for the full launch because the game definitely needed another 2 weeks in the oven before it was ready