i do think the game was better overall in the beta, but there was nothing keeping me in the beta
#Jason
tacit pivot
nothing to work towards
ranked or tournaments or anything
but rn i play a bunch in tournaments and hoping for ranked sometime soon
main belfry
im just bad at fighting games
so i rarely play them a lot
i just enjoy my total war and mmorpgs
main belfry
goreshit?
nah it was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fclpUG4y4
tacit pivot
airwalker can be useful but as ive said before, i think its too niche and at some point ur opponent will get used to it making it hurt more than it helps
just my thoughts
if you like that kinda music let me introduce you to goreshit
main belfry
yeah ive used it sparringly it messed me up trying to punish sometimes tho
main belfry
its aight but if i go for music like that i usually just stick with a video game ost, Nightrunners
tacit pivot
i think u would like neon white music then
im a neon white speedrunner and tbh half the songs in neon white are like that haha
main belfry
Maybe idk i think i heard of the game though, tbf i like this kinda music to wake up synthwave or whatever this is
otherwise i listen to metal and rock mostly tbf
main belfry
yuh
main belfry
If i had to pick a band it would probably be Hellhills but im not sure i listen to so little bands recently
tacit pivot
If i had to pick a band it would probably be Hellhills but im not sure i listen ...
nearly every song in here is great
the earlier ones are a bit slower tho
main belfry
a song i unironically actually like is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKfS5zVfGBc
but you might recognize it and get hurt by memories
main belfry
It is but its still nice to have in the repertoire
main belfry
will do gonna go buy some snacks so will listen on the way
tacit pivot
ight
main belfry
yeah ish aight, not entirely my jig but by no means bad
rapid cargo
Jason is so fun,
All I really want is for them to fix his ghost hitboxes
median geyser
They should really add some armor to Jason
He literally has no armor at all aside from his special neutral
He's literally the undead tank that has zero armor attacks is insane
rapid cargo
They should really add some armor to Jason
I feel like it should be on his neutral after a .5 second of charge like Shaggy neutral
but maybe him moving forward with armor might be broken...
feels lore accurate though lmao
median geyser
but maybe him moving forward with armor might be broken...
feels lore accurate ...
Not really
If Superman & Wonder Woman have the armor moves then how can Jason doesn't have?
Makes zero sense for him to not have... he's a fricking undead tank
rapid cargo
I just meant it might be broken on neutral purely because he walks forward with armor.
Wait, does his dash attack have armor?
median geyser
I just meant it might be broken on neutral purely because he walks forward with ...
Ofc not
rapid cargo
dang, yeah he needs some love then
rapid cargo
have you seen the mvs university combo vids? He can get pretty saucy
median geyser
I mean yes but at the same time, some of his moves just can't get much usage...
Especially his neutral air moves
tacit pivot
have you seen the mvs university combo vids? He can get pretty saucy
well true but, any character can be
even velma
every character has custom combos because thats just how the game was made
median geyser
every character has custom combos because thats just how the game was made
Jason does have good combos if hit correctly
But at the same time, most of the time people can dodge his moves
While airborne so you've to mindgame them
My uair special keep getting dodged all time so yeah you really need to mindgame them
main belfry
pretty much best chance of geetting anything in the air is N air
median geyser
pretty much best chance of geetting anything in the air is N air
Nah man nair is really bad for Jason...
You better off sair other than nair
rapid cargo
well true but, any character can be
yeah, i'm not advocating that he doesn't deserve buffs, He definitely does, especially with his hitboxes being inaccurate
I just didn't know he had some sick combos until stumbling upon that video lol
median geyser
I mean up air
Oh...
median geyser
yeah, i'm not advocating that he doesn't deserve buffs, He definitely does, espe...
His hitboxes are bugged definitely
main belfry
and even then nair is definetly not unuseable
median geyser
His attack combos are too slow & have inconsistent hitboxes
tacit pivot
yesterday somebody came in this channel wondering why jason didnt get nerfs in the patch 💀
what a specimen
rapid cargo
💀
median geyser
yesterday somebody came in this channel wondering why jason didnt get nerfs in t...
Nah bullcrap
tacit pivot
man i wanna play ranked why is it taking so long man
rapid cargo
Kinda like the people who think the lasso cooldown killed WW lmao
tacit pivot
why is the top dog challenge not releasing it makes no sense
its oput
holy shiii
the leaks were right
rapid cargo
rn?? fr??
tacit pivot
yes rnb
main belfry
do we have a rough idea when ranked is coming?
i want to proclaim my top 100k jason title
lol
rare jason mirror
tacit pivot
no we dont
i wanna get top 500
shouldnt be that difficult if you played the game enough
tacit pivot
i want to proclaim my top 100k jason title
there isnt even 100k people playing 💀
west cloak
*on Steam
tacit pivot
i would be surprised if its 100k total
west cloak
Xbox and PlayStation have more players than Steam by a long shot I’m sure
tacit pivot
i disagree
most console players cant stand how badly the game is running on there currently
thats been the sentiment imo
west cloak
That’s only Xbox
main belfry
there isnt even 100k people playing 💀
thats why i want it
west cloak
It’d be nice to see the actual numbers instead of speculate, but I imagine Steam probably only makes up like 25% of the total playerbase
main belfry
like you cant be the worst if your in the top 100k
west cloak
That being said, getting top 100k in ranked should be easy because most people are casuals
main belfry
i mean to be fair i forgot why im here
and now im too lazy to leave the server
so i will just be a jason gamur and teach people to not dodge instantly
https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/i1o29V2PvRLRiUvGe/d1337UbUJtFv?invite=cr-MSxnR20sNjM4MDQ2MSw bc thats how you juggle people out of the game lol
tacit pivot
i cant anymore man
the fcking second ranked comes out, this is the sht i have to play against
only fcking s tier characters with a losing mu
queued up, another banana guard
main belfry
everyone except batman in there feels sadman
timber narwhal
Jason struggles against all characters faster than him since unlike other tanks he has no base armor to make up for slow start ups and dodgeable attacks
Which works mostly fine in 2v2s
But in 1v1s it becomes mostly a problem
tacit pivot
let me show you my matchups currently
are u seeing this
not a single low tier for like 20 games straight
except finn depending on ur opinion
and the site doesnt have jason so it shows finn
tacit pivot
but i only play jason
main belfry
what neurotic tumor has build to say that hes low tier
tacit pivot
hes just mashy and unfun to play against
6 jokers btw lmfao
still winning against most of them tho
main belfry
im just loosing 90% atm
being hit by attacks that are clearly not even on me
but still hit because this netcode and his fat hitbox are so ungodly open
main belfry
i mean to be fair people either dodge most things or no things so im not supriseed
same with Up special into sair
if they can dodge it, they can dodge it, if not they eat a chunk of damage
tacit pivot
they never dodge downb1 into dair for god knows what reason
knotty sage
they never dodge downb1 into dair for god knows what reason
tbh i didnt think to dodge cancel dair special like that
tacit pivot
i love dodge canceling rn
such a fun mechanic
also you can fair, superjump into another fair and it can be true if u are fast enough
got multiple kills with it already
let me clip something again
not true but u get the idea
still rendering tho so its bad quality
knotty sage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8VrDXYJyhg
says its private
dapper palm
What perks should I use for Jason
knotty sage
i gotta work on dodge canceling and just being faster at the game in general
lean flare
What perks should I use for Jason
For me, I boost my damage as much as possible and use Airwalker.
So, the 5% signature perk. Snowball, Airwalker, and Pugilist
honest yoke
hello jason family i just converted from joker to jason
call me crazy because i was actually a pretty good joker and i was still having fun with him but when i play jason everything just feels right
gray gale
honest yoke
ngl
jason does not feel nearly as bad as i thought
now that i've actually put time into him and learned some of his harder matchups
when i played him at first it felt like i was fighting uphill every time i played anyone decent who was on a good character but now i've actually been holding my own in matchups that should be horrible on paper against players who i know are really good
elfin fossil
The game isn't all about speed, despite what people expect of games like this.
Too often people think that Jason's massive damage and Knockback don't make up for his flaws, and learn what happens when you stand between a good boy and making his mama happy (she wants you dead)
west cloak
I mean, they don’t
Jason being slow is a huge detriment
Fast but weaker characters are almost always better than stronger but slower ones
In every fighting game
honest yoke
I really don't think Jason is that bad just give him armor on like 1 or 2 moves and he'll be in a good spot imo
west cloak
He needs a buff to his air grab
It’s too slow
No good player is getting hit by that
honest yoke
His air grab is really good
west cloak
*if you land it
honest yoke
You can literally combo into it
west cloak
And no good player is getting grabbed by a like 50 frame move
west cloak
You can literally combo into it
With dair I’m guessing
honest yoke
And you can use it as a mix up with sair to catch them after they dodge
west cloak
All I’m gonna say is that there’s a reason Jason has a bottom 2 win rate rn
And him being insanely slow with insanely slow frame data I think is the reason
honest yoke
I've had lots of situations where if I used sair they would've avoided it but because I used grab they got hit
I think him being big is just as much of a reason
west cloak
Iron Giant was bigger, but he was SSS tier and removed from the game
honest yoke
Iron giant also had a move that let him instantly break out of combos and 5 infinites
If he didn't have those he would be unplayable because of his size
west cloak
We’ll see when he returns
honest yoke
I mean he's still gonna have the move that lets him break out of combos
That's the only reason he's ever been a good character
Because with his size and weight he can just get combod endlessly
Pretty much every character has like double the amount of combo routes against iron giant compared to other characters
median geyser
Jason struggles against all characters faster than him since unlike other tanks ...
That's literally his main issue
Superman & Wonder Woman have those but Jason? Nuh uh
median geyser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8VrDXYJyhg
Damn you cooking...
median geyser
Wth
tacit pivot
its just dodge canceling
tacit pivot
thank thank you
how many points do you guys have in that weird ranked-ish event
i got 11.2k rn
median geyser
Don't have much coz I didn't play much...
tacit pivot
fair enough
cursive kernel
downb1 into downair works far too much offstage
I can't tell you how many times I've got that to woek
I actually have one against tom
tacit pivot
just got 5th in a tournament with jason :))
lost to the same person twice tho
a joker player
whooped me 4-0
always went to last stock but could never close it out
cursive kernel
Joker side special is massive
I try to play very passive with Jason to get as many buffs as possible but I wanna also rob stocks as early as possible too and some characters beating out my machete with the arm and leg hitboxes without at least trading kinda hurts my feelings
cough cough black Adam cough cough
tulip plaza
like did they stealth nerf jason or something like that is going on today
altho I have only fought black adam, joker, and harley today
its just harley really
devout burrow
true and real
I'm unsure what my wr on jason is
bc in beta I played a fair bit of harley
buoyant adder
like did they stealth nerf jason or something like that is going on today
altho ...
You're facing better opponents
devout burrow
I can't tell if there's matchmaking
rain ingot
i got a q for yall jason 1s mains
how do you lot manage to even survive against certain characters
like the mf has some real big hurtbox
and lacks speed and only got like a one time armour effect
knotty sage
pray
rain ingot
so it must be some crazy rough disadvantage😭
rain ingot
pray
I dont think theres a single character with a worse disadvantage than Jason😭
not great recovery, big hurtbox, slow
tulip plaza
that's how I'm feelin rn
rain ingot
well i mean the mf hits like a truck
but man it must be depressing
they gotta give him armour im ngl
tulip plaza
of course right now I'm having some fun back and fourth between another jason
who could have guess when its not a sweaty harley you can have fun lol
rain ingot
his kit is pretty fun im ngl
tulip plaza
I love playing jason is just so many other characters are simply busted that its hard to have fun sometimes
and I don't mean this as a like "I'm not having fun if I'm not winning" sorta thing, I can have plenty fun losing, as long as I feel I have a chance to win
but a lot of times I just don't feel that chance
but speaking of having fun, Zanuchin the Jason was a fun fella to fight, we were pretty even all the time, we kept taunting and t-bagging together at the start of games and after respawns, its was just a chill vibe all around
tacit pivot
I can't tell if there's matchmaking
there 100% is
i was confused at the beginning too, but it just takes a while for the mmr to climb
tacit pivot
there def is
devout burrow
I tend to win and lose in cyclea
like I will dunk on a couple people
then get jumpscared by a 7 billion hour andy
lose like 3 games in a row
go back to beating up a bad player
so I suspect that there is something
I mean the people I lose to are people with
significantly more experience
lul
tacit pivot
yea same
nothing better than beating up somebody with like 2k wins
as a 250 win jason
i also hate the jason ditto
had to play one today in tournament
i won 2-1 but still
not fun imo
it feels extremly momentum based
i beat him up no problem game1, then he whooped me clean 3stock
then i whooped him again
devout burrow
nothing better than beating up somebody with like 2k wins
I once fought a shaggy with like
tacit pivot
get 1 hit and the stock is over
rapid cargo
was probably me im garbo
devout burrow
I've literally never played against reindog
also I'm playing in that tourney tomorrow
it's linked to one of those fuccen
socialite discords
I need to enter more tourneys
becoming the best jason na will be
an ordeal
tulip plaza
I support your journey
rapid cargo
might be easier when they fix his jab hitboxes
devout burrow
I actually like this game enough to want to become one of the best to ever touch it
turbid lichen
If you’re in this server, you’re already a step above the true casuals
I wish there was an actual server just for tech and matchups and actual strategy
half the character channels are just ppl going “bruh this character ong 💀” and sharing random clips
makes me wanna pull my brain out
tulip plaza
sometimes that is the only thought I have with some characters pfft
devout burrow
mfs are completely unable to think critically
tulip plaza
me, my brain is mush
devout burrow
like Big Flounda
west cloak
half the character channels are just ppl going “bruh this character ong 💀” and ...
Yeah, there’s a lot of brainrot
languid harbor
I feel bad everytime I fight a Jason.
tacit pivot
I feel bad everytime I fight a Jason.
sounds like a skill issue
languid harbor
sounds like a skill issue
No as in I feel bad when I fight a jason player. Mostly in 2v2's since they get hitstunned alot while their teammate isn't doing anything.
languid harbor
Is it me or does Jason's attack's hitboxes feel wack?
tacit pivot
they are awful ye
devout burrow
got automodded lul
languid harbor
Wish they fixed that. Havent seen the sleeping bag bug much before the patch
devout burrow
I was talking about how Big Flounda is a gigantic complainer
but I used the gasp f word!
languid harbor
Big Flounda?
devout burrow
yea
that rant was literally a skill issue
it showed a complete lack of what rage is there for
languid harbor
Yeah him saying the perk destroys jason when it literally goes away during the cooldown.
The only thing I agreed with was Jason's attack hitboxes.
devout burrow
I wonder if this game has hitbox interpolation
languid harbor
Mayyybeeee speeding up his attack animations just a tiny bit? Other then that don't want him to get too buffed.
devout burrow
I think jason is the awesomest character ever
languid harbor
I wonder if this game has hitbox interpolation
I have no idea what that is.
languid harbor
I think jason is the awesomest character ever
He's very cool
devout burrow
there is a mechanic where like
when transitioning from one frame to the next on a move
the hitbox basically smears itself from where it was to where it is
languid harbor
Ah
devout burrow
this makes retreating aerials hilarious\
languid harbor
I think it's most noticable on Ricks whip
devout burrow
I don't know if it's in mvs
languid harbor
Ah. Well i remember facing a rick and that whip move smeared the crap outta me. Didn't realise how powerful it was since I rarely fought ricks in the beta and when i did none of them really used the whip and nae nae
buoyant adder
Need Jason emotes
elfin fossil
Need Jason emotes
Please
tulip plaza
I think it's most noticable on Ricks whip
god that whip is just insane
I just fought a rick as bugs and almost died to that whip at 0 like that the hell
tulip plaza
meowfter noon fellow Jason player
tropic eagle
I got to #6 in the Top Dog event playing only Jason.
Gonna drop until tomorrow definetly, but i will be climbing again.
I was actually #4 for like, 15 minutes, lol.
tulip plaza
apparently I'm at #20
wish I got that far with just jason but I was getting destroyed as him today so I switched off
devout burrow
I don't know what determines what leaderboard you're on
it seems to change all the time
tulip plaza
Most notably against Harely and Rick, which i find weird.
funny, it was all harleys I kept getting destroyed by
I sure do enjoy being magneted infront of harley when I was behind her
tropic eagle
I started at #26 and now i'm at #6.
tulip plaza
I would like to get top 10 if I can, get at least a bronze badge
tropic eagle
Same.
tulip plaza
but I'm not too worried about it at the end of the day
knotty sage
i mainly played steven and BG but i was #2 last i checked
tropic eagle
Also, is there a combo longer than jab jab side special?
I'm bored of doing it.
It works, but it's boring.
devout burrow
I don't really care about the badge
tulip plaza
I don't think its true but there is jab jab down normal ground up special, might even be able to spice it up with air up special or even a grab if you wanna be crazy
knotty sage
Also, is there a combo longer than jab jab side special?
ik of jab jab up tilt and what cosmic cat said
tulip plaza
I would like to get uber jason and martix jason, but I went and bought tooniverse cus I liked how it looked
I was tired of being basic jason
tropic eagle
I don't think its true but there is jab jab down normal ground up special, might...
I never really find myself using air neutral special, tbh.
knotty sage
I care more about the bp xp
i remebr someone on the reddit i think summed up perk currency perfectly
"They give us perk currency when they don't want to actually give us anything"
knotty sage
I never really find myself using air neutral special, tbh.
i want to use nair special but its just so bad
tropic eagle
Yep.
tulip plaza
I suppose its not that good of a move for sure, but I can't help but enjoy using it
it feels good knocking someone off stage and then hitting that grab and they just die
it sends kinda down side which I'm sure can be useful
devout burrow
i remebr someone on the reddit i think summed up perk currency perfectly
"They g...
tbf for people who didn't play the beta it's still good
tropic eagle
I just find myself doing jab jab side special into nair. If nair hits, it's the best thing ever.
Fast drop nair is my favorite thing to do. It catches people off guard really hard.
tulip plaza
I've played jason so much he's level 11
that glemium is within my grasp pf
knotty sage
i think i got him around 7-8, along with BG
tropic eagle
now 30-40 hours of launch gaming?
... i'm at 50 hrs.
devout burrow
I'm level 13 I think
lul
I have played nothing but jason
I am prepared to be the best one
tropic eagle
I've played a bit of everyone, but mostly Jason and Superman.
tulip plaza
also I just had a match against a bugs and used nair more often the usual (like at all) and it won me out the first stock
then the match desynced after bugs got me back lol
tacit pivot
... i'm at 50 hrs.
100 here
devout burrow
I've been split between hearthstone grind and multiversus grind
tacit pivot
3-0 in this tournament right now
have to play against a shaggy now
won against stripe, steven universe, finn and bugs now
devout burrow
that sounds about right
tacit pivot
the shaggy whooped me
knotty sage
the shaggy whooped me
man
tacit pivot
now against ANOTHER steven
i cant
i hope i win again
i could knock the same guy out twice haha
but im def feeling the improvement
i nearly won both games against the shaggy, and the shaggy is now in top 8 winners side, which couldve been me
so i can def see myself improving and getting closer to the really good tourney players
knotty sage
now against ANOTHER steven
try to stay on top of him, hes not only super light but he has a lot of start up
tacit pivot
look at the bracket, the guys before me are having a steven ditto lmao
i got no choice but to play against either one of them smh
if its the detective guy again, i could win, but the other one kinda scares me
knotty sage
i cant see who they're playing
timber narwhal
stevens are an anomaly
tacit pivot
here goes nothing
facing the other steven
so i just took 80 damage while being locked between his downair and one of his shields
man this game is fun and fair
knotty sage
yeah you want those shields gone asap
tacit pivot
i lost
2-0
both games went to last stock 100%
i genuinely feel like he didnt deserve to win
he was worse than the steven before
i just messed so he got 2 easy stocks
why do i have to play against 2 fcking stevens in one bracket man
its so fcking rough
nah i without a doubt shouldve won
that matchup is less than fun to play in tho
i cant stand steven ngl
knotty sage
i cant stand steven ngl
dw the devs cant either
devout burrow
kind of free
it's the kind of matchup that makes you question how good it really is until you play cleanly for a full game
tacit pivot
i just dont understand half the shi steven can do
i tank 80 in one interaction and i genuinely cant tell what the fck i did wrong
knotty sage
try to stay clear of his shields, a lot of his game is trying to section you off and combo you off of them
devout burrow
it's basically just
knotty sage
hes also really into whiff punishing
devout burrow
you really wanna armor up and be aggressive without opening yourself up to shield shenanigans
knotty sage
yeah just never let him breathe
devout burrow
this is the one character that doesn't like you being close
knotty sage
its why assassins generally mess him up
tacit pivot
try to stay clear of his shields, a lot of his game is trying to section you off...
uploading the last match rn btw
knotty sage
he has a lot of start up to his moves, and they're all pretty stubby (save for his sair, which is a disjoint)
tacit pivot
im very curious to see, i can tell a couple of things i did wrong, but id mostly like insight on steven specific stuff, rather than my own shortcomings, as i know most of them if that makes sense
knotty sage
in general steven suffers a lot from getting rushed down, or when it comes to dealing with armor
but hes really good at camping and capitalizing on your mistakes
tacit pivot
i ended up getting 17th in the tournament by the way
im happy with that for jason haha
knotty sage
out of how many?
tacit pivot
130
knotty sage
oh dam nice
knotty sage
so his little tether thing lasts 3 sec always and the ends of it explode more than the tether
tacit pivot
i also had no clue about that
by the way at 1:02 i was so goddamn annoyed
because it shouldve killed him, but he gets the privilege of not dying to that stuff for some reason
and i dont really understand how to counter it, its like a get ouf of jail free card
knotty sage
it is a pretty much get out of jail free card, maybe you couldve nair specialed to grab him out of it
or couldve waited for him to try to leave the bubble and punish him then
also it may sound strange but you kinda want his melon dude to stay alive
since the cd of his healing only starts when the melon dies
so keeping the melon away but alive can delay his heal which is very useful
knotty sage
how do i keep it away but alive
sometimes it bugs out and just stares at you attacking, i think it tries to wait out attacks before it moves in so if you attack facing it it should just kinda sit there
oh i just remembered
steven can't bubble if he has no dodges left
so if you see him bubbling, just dont engage
tacit pivot
it is a pretty much get out of jail free card, *maybe* you couldve nair speciale...
i suppose but thats the kinda stuff you only remember with a lot of matchup experience, ANY other character dies to that move there, nobody has the privilege of living that
knotty sage
tbf hes a tank with no shields besides that
he and jason are kinda similar in that sense of not really having shields but are labeled tanks
that and both have mommy issues
tacit pivot
i just cant wait for balance changes
i dont even need jason buffs, just nerf the top tiers, thats an indirect buff imo
knotty sage
his bubbles isnt the thing thats gonna get nerfed, itll be his up air if anything
steven w/o his bubble is a sitting duck
tacit pivot
i think bubble is one of the least fun mechanics in the game
knotty sage
so get him dodging and out of dodge is great
tacit pivot
just putting the usefulness aside, that shi is not fun to go up against 💀
knotty sage
and steven might as well have none for how good his down tilt is
devout burrow
his bubbles isnt the thing thats gonna get nerfed, itll be his up air if anythin...
wiht pfg you never know
tacit pivot
ok but what do i do in neutral
i know his fair is coming, but the hitbox is so big i just dodge too late
besides that, idk man
neutral feels so difficult against steven if u dont know the mu
knotty sage
i would rage, he has no neutral options that can deal enough damage to go through it, also in neutral (esp at the beginning) steven could also be setting up his shields/melon
tacit pivot
i feel like im often times too slow to reach his melon intime
knotty sage
except maybe a fully charged nair but you'll see that coming
knotty sage
which is why you should always be ON TOP of steven
hes super weak to getting rushed
hes a set up character
at least for his heavy hitting stuff
also try to break his shields quickly
i see in the match the steven was running Green Thumb (melon grows and deals more damage), i assume hes running it so melon can help more and dies easier so he gets his healing sooner
knotty sage
i also had no clue about that
btw the rose effect eventually decays after not getting hit (like taz tasty) and the bubble effect it gives lasts for 5 seconds, you can also see visually by the shine on the bubble, most steven's will use that to tell when they can get the free hit off, so spamming back and forth can mess up their timing since it moves the shine around
tacit pivot
That's good to know
It's just a matchup you need a lot of experience in i think
You really need to know what you are doing
knotty sage
steven has a lot of get out of combo free cards in his kit (part of why he was support), so its gonna feel unfair
but you can also try to combo the steven off his own shields which is pretty funny
tacit pivot
What do u think about Steven rn
knotty sage
What do u think about Steven rn
i am way too bad at the game itself to really have much of a say in balance, but i would say hes very weak to rush down and quick moving attacks
but hes very light (in beta he was same weight as rick/bugs, couldve changed but it wasnt by much) so catching him out can kill him pretty easily
so being a bit unpredictable and baiting him is likely key
burn his options and he burns with it
his powerful attacks and set up (shields, tether, melon, etc.) are all tied to cds or his dodge meter (bubble shield is tied to his dodge meter, if its empty he cant bubble)
that one armor perk where hitting an armored opponent cancels incoming armor is nasty against him and forces him to shift his playstyle
knotty sage
i think the TnJ match up is good for jason but man is it annoying
devout burrow
it's absolutely obnoxious
knotty sage
getting spammed with up tilt and jab for 5 minutes
devout burrow
it's a classic example of a matchup that I don't think is bad but I never ever wanna play against it in bracket
give me banana guard instead
I don't care
I dislike puppet characters in general lul
knotty sage
the townsville map was a mistake
its funny how every single map gimmick in this game is just awful and sucks to play with
devout burrow
throne room is probably my least favorite 1s map
knotty sage
i can deal with throne room but townsville is just upsetting
mojo jojo with his attacks are so annoying
devout burrow
townsville is much more enjoyable to play around than "oh lul btw now you can't kill ever"
knotty sage
townsville is much more enjoyable to play around than "oh lul btw now you can't ...
its probably bc im a steven main but i dont really see killing on that map all too bad
its better than "oh lul you die now bc the map says so"
devout burrow
when all of your good kill moves are horizontal it's awful
spare basin
Jason is so OP fr nerf him fr
median geyser
Jason is so OP fr nerf him fr
What's op about him?
knotty sage
What's op about him?
ignore him hes a master troll
spare basin
ignore him hes a master troll
Master troll and owner of the nicknaming industry
median geyser
Lmao
median geyser
jason for some reason has none
He's half baked
knotty sage
Master troll and owner of the nicknaming industry
ok listen. i am a very bad steven
thin quest
Jason Voorhees Tutorial - Super Axe and Moonwalk #clips message
Again, not sure if this has ever been documented, but I wanted to make sure
spare basin
Do you guys rematch? Is that something you can even do? Is that an option on your screen? I've never met a Jason who rematches
Macro that auto declines?
devout burrow
setting up rage after hits is mega awesome
knotty sage
Do you guys rematch? Is that something you can even do? Is that an option on you...
Joker is very annoying
median geyser
Do you guys rematch? Is that something you can even do? Is that an option on you...
Probably due to bad matchups
knotty sage
or you just play annoyingly
median geyser
Yes
devout burrow
I just beat all the annoying players into the floor
until they stop rematching
it's usually pretty quick
tulip plaza
sadly I don't have that skill yet
of course if I didn't have fun in a match there is no way I'm rematching
devout burrow
I have fun even when I lose tbh
that's why I think I can become really good at the game
tulip plaza
I mean I'm not saying I don't have fun if I don't win
but I gotta feel like there is a chance first
spare basin
or you just play annoyingly
I just play aggressively
tulip plaza
**Jason Voorhees Tutorial - Super Axe and Moonwalk** https://discord.com/channel...
I actually just made some pretty good use of this in a couple matches
muted spire
Anyone know the best perks for Jason?
median geyser
Snowball, Speed Force & Pugilist or something
timber narwhal
Do you guys rematch? Is that something you can even do? Is that an option on you...
I rematch when I can
but depending on the character, it's not worth rematching since Jason gets hard countered by everyone in the meta rn
devout burrow
jason is awesomesauce
queen juniper
But bro needs buffs still 
He’s such a large slow punching bag. I almost never win in trades with moves against others because his hitboxes are inferior and frames are slow
timber narwhal
He’s such a large slow punching bag. I almost never win in trades with moves aga...
fine in 2v2s
super struggler in 1v1
queen juniper
“Jason gets hard countered by everyone in the meta”…… kekw
I wouldn’t call that fine for duos
Overall all characters need their kits fine tuned. Characters need nerfs and characters like Jason could use buffs
timber narwhal
I wouldn’t call that fine for duos
depends on the comp
he can be enabled by certain characters that can protect him
or give him shield
honest yoke
Jason isn't that bad tbh
Just give him armor on a couple moves
That's all he needs
devout burrow
do you have the slightest idea of how toxic this character would be if you gave him armor on his moves and at the same time how little it would actually do for the character
honest yoke
How would that be toxic
WW has armor on like half her kit and is way faster and has better combos but it's toxic if Jason has armor on 2 moves?
thin quest
Imagine if his neutral B (grounded with rage) was a reflector. I feel like that would be a good buff
devout burrow
WW has armor on like half her kit and is way faster and has better combos but it...
the armor is the worst part about her
all the armor does is be annoying
armor on jason's attacks would do practically nothing other than make him marginally better when rage is on cooldown
which like isn't nothing
but it doesn't fix the problem
all it would do is create problems at a more casual level
honest yoke
Nah it would do more than that
Because even if rage is off cooldown your opponent isn't just gonna let you get it for free
devout burrow
if you really want good buffs for jason I think the main things would be like hurtbox reduction or startup reduction but changes have to be made very delicately as to not upset the balance of the character
because if you turn any dial a little bit too much, the character becomes overtuned
honest yoke
I really don't think he needs very much he could become a problem very quickly if they aren't super careful with buffs
timber narwhal
Jason could use armor on some of his slower easier to dodge moves
but what he needs is to not be so slow
that's what makes him struggle so much in 1v1s
he is slow, easy to dodge and has no armor
add armor, you don't get rid of the big 2
devout burrow
realistically what I would do is make his moves have less hurtbox
either that or marginally decrease the startup of certain moves
maybe decrease the recovery on hit of some
the fact that nair doesn't really ever combo is annoying
timber narwhal
yeah, making some of his moves a bit faster would help
devout burrow
my primary issue with the character is that he's centered around whiff punishing but his moves are too slow to effectively whiff punish
timber narwhal
you are the one that gets whiff punished lmao
devout burrow
slight should have startup that's fast enough to murder anyone for missing a jab of their own
timber narwhal
Jason's entire moveset is around getting weak armor from his rage
but the armor is weaker than other tank armor
and harder to get
devout burrow
well tbf when he gets armored he's also faster than the other tanks
timber narwhal
true but still
most of his attacks are easy to dodge
he runs faster
but that's it
timber narwhal
dodge one attack, whiff punish him, get him in the air where he cant do much depending on who he goes against
devout burrow
the game is centered around reactable moves
west cloak
but the armor is weaker than other tank armor
Dude why is WW armor so good in comparison? Like it gives full knockback immunity for one hit, cleanses all debuffs, and applies to your teammates. And it has no downsides
devout burrow
well jason armor doesn't really have a downside either tbh
at worst, you might be taking 15% damage
which is almost nothing
at best, you're effectively healing for 5%
pre-emptively
well actually at best you're chunking your opponent for an extra like 10%
or just killing them when you wouldn't be able to
west cloak
Jason’s doesn’t work if you deal more damage than the threshold, it gives him self damage, and it goes away if you whiff anything
And 15% is not insignificant
devout burrow
imagine if it didn't go away on whiff that would actually make jason one of the best characters in the game
timber narwhal
yeah Jason's armor works great if someone is not aware of his gimmick
the moment someone knows how his gimmick works
he is a big cool looking punching bag
west cloak
That’s a huge amount considering many characters can kill under 100
devout burrow
they aren't killing Jason under 100
west cloak
Sure maybe Jason lives until like 120
west cloak
People online are pretty bad for the most part
west cloak
the moment someone knows how his gimmick works
I’ve killed Harley’s at 0% by charging utilt and then watching them slide right into me
devout burrow
which is a gimmick
you aren't supposed to use the move to gimmick your opponent unless they're bad
west cloak
I know
devout burrow
rage mode is there to force your opponent into options that they don't want to do
west cloak
Unless they have projectiles in which they can just deplete Jason’s gray health and there’s not much he can do
devout burrow
I mean
if they have a projectile
and your armor eats the projectile
you are forcing your opponent to actually throw hands and use a melee option
rather than zone you out for free
west cloak
That’s not necessarily true
A lot of characters can throw out a projectile and still have plenty of time to not get punished
devout burrow
the awesome thing is that against projectile characters you usually have time to charge all the way to 20%
west cloak
And usually, one projectile + one melee hit will deal over 20%
devout burrow
the point isn't to punish them for using the projectile
west cloak
Which effectively makes his armor useless
devout burrow
it's to put them in a position where they have to do something else to not get smacked
like you are inherently putting them at a disadvantage by forcing them to follow up on the projectile if they want to put you in a bad position
west cloak
the awesome thing is that against projectile characters you usually have time to...
Getting time to charge up to 20 gray health isn’t the issue. The issue is that 20 gray health isn’t enough for a lot of matchups
devout burrow
and if they are trying to follow up that means that you get to whiff punish them or dodge their attacks
if they don't feel like interacting in that way, though, you still get to punish them by putting them in worse positions and forcing out defensive options that likely make them burn resources
west cloak
like you are inherently putting them at a disadvantage by forcing them to follow...
Ok sure you can force them to give up stage control, but as soon as they deplete Jason’s gray health they can just take it back for free because Jason loses his speed boost and he has a really hard time catching dodge jumps
devout burrow
so first of all if they're spending half a bar dodge jumping that's mega inefficient
second you still have ways of dealing with it
west cloak
To get out of disadvantage for almost free, it’s worth it
devout burrow
but if they get hit again they die
west cloak
If they get hit, they gain more dodge meter
devout burrow
you can't just think in the short term of each interaction
every interaction has a consequence
even if it doesn't mean getting hit
west cloak
Sure if they dodge jump and have burnout, that’s a different story
I’m not talking about that scanario
devout burrow
and the scenario where they dodge jump is one that puts you back in the driver's seat if you revert back to what you may typically do (swing at them with something like a nair)
because they get hit with a lot of damage and need to dodge more and are put in worse positions until they die
west cloak
Ok sure Jason could call out their dodge jump with a preemptive move and net a large reward
That’s not happening 90% of the time
devout burrow
yes it is a callout
but it's not that unsafe given that you also get armor on the startup of your attacks
west cloak
90% of the time, you just have yourself 8-15% damage and returned to neutral
west cloak
It really adds up over time
devout burrow
it adds up less than if they get a beefy hit on you
devout burrow
health is a resource and rage mode lets you use that resource the way you want to
sometimes you use it on a callout that doesn't pay off the way you wanted it to
west cloak
Rage mode I find is only useful if you’re already at a point where the next hit will kill you
Because then the extra damage doesn’t matter
devout burrow
I mean
usually you aren't looking to pro-actively hit the opponent with your rage mode anyway
you're looking to scout them and get them to flinch
west cloak
But before then, I’d much rather not put myself closer to character’s kill confirm windows
devout burrow
and you can keep up with the enemy gamer with the extra speeed
west cloak
you're looking to scout them and get them to flinch
Yes and that only works to an extent
devout burrow
it works to the extent that you need it to
west cloak
Like I’m not talking from the perspective that I’m contributing to the 38% win rate Jason has as a whole
devout burrow
because a lot of the time if you don't have armor your opponent can simply disrespect your space
armor forces a level of respect
west cloak
Sure
devout burrow
and gives you the tools needed to punish it
west cloak
But it’s all kinda superficial
You don’t really need to respect it
For a lot of characters
devout burrow
but you do need to respect it because if you don't jason can just straight up kill you
west cloak
If Jason goes for a small charge, forget it
He basically just have you a free 8 damage
devout burrow
even on a small charge because the moves most people want to do are very small and safe
west cloak
I can’t think of a single character with moves like that except Harley
devout burrow
at a base level, it limits your opponent's options
which is ginormous for a character like this
west cloak
Which I will say because Harley has a lot of multihits that do little damage on their own, rage definitely helps a lot
devout burrow
Like I’m not talking from the perspective that I’m contributing to the 38% win r...
I'm not either
I'm dunking on most people
west cloak
Dunking on people because Jason is a scrub killer doesn’t mean his tools are good
But like I guess he isn’t really even a scrub killer because his win rate is really low
devout burrow
I mean realistically I would call him more a character that attracts scrubs
when to play him well you need to understand him and his matchups very well
west cloak
He’s literally the Ganondorf of Multiversus
devout burrow
he's more like DK
west cloak
He’s a low tier that loses to every top and high tier and has very few winning matchups
devout burrow
you are not afforded mistakes
but if you do not make mistakes then I think Jason has the potential to be a strong character
if given time
west cloak
Dude literally every character is strong if you don’t make mistakes
And many of them are significantly stronger than Jason without mistakes
devout burrow
yes and I'm taking that into account
west cloak
Characters like Bugs, Harley, Shaggy, Arya, Taz, etc with a fully optimized combo game and no mistakes in neutral are better than Jason could ever be
devout burrow
he's a hard character to win with but that doesn't make him bad
I'm gonna be honest I think taz is just bad
devout burrow
Jason is a substantially better character than Taz for the simple reason of rage mode being a better move than tornado
but I'm getting side tracked
west cloak
Taz players are saying the same thing that he has a lot of potential because his combo game isn’t as explored, he’s really fast, etc
It’s a different flavor of what you’re saying with Jason
west cloak
Going from 0-chicken with optimal Taz combos is stronger
west cloak
Rage mode is “good”
It has far too many flaws for my to consider it good
Like Jason absolutely needs it
And it’s the one thing keeping him out of Velma tier
But like it’s almost objectively a worse WW armor buff in every way
devout burrow
but it's not objectively worse than WW buff
devout burrow
WW armor only lasts for 1 hit guaranteed and doesn't make her faster
west cloak
Jason having any weakness at all with his rage makes it worse
devout burrow
rage mode can tank multiple hits and makes his moves stronger
and makes him giga speed
like it's not a perfect tool but you don't need a perfect tool
west cloak
Sure he gets faster and he can deal more damage and knockback in the next hit
But it goes away on whiff
So like he has to be so deliberate
devout burrow
going away on whiff is why it isn't just outright better than ww armor
west cloak
You can’t use disjoints to threaten space and close the gap
devout burrow
realistically
west cloak
You just wave to walk around and try to bait something from your opponent
But if they have patience, you’re not getting any reward
Most people don’t have patience
devout burrow
it makes you much stronger in the rock paper scissors
west cloak
So you can win
west cloak
I’m speaking only at high and top level play. Jason’s buff isn’t good enough to make him tournament viable
devout burrow
that's just not true though
DTM gets good results in tournaments with 100+ players
like
17th/130 is a good result
130 players is like
a c tier event
west cloak
No disrespect to him, but come back when he’s able to top 8 with Jason
Like he’s a good player
devout burrow
I think he can
west cloak
But Jason is holding him back if he’s only going solo Jason
devout burrow
hell, I think I can
I'm gonna certainly try
like I believe in this character
and I believe in him for good reason
west cloak
I want to believe in Jason, but I’ve seen nothing to support that idea
Until he gets some sort of buff to make him more viable, my opinion of him will always be that he’s bottom 10 at best
devout burrow
I will know when I reach this character's limit
I know I haven't
I don't even think DTM has
there is so much to learn and to experience and writing characters off as bad is cringe
west cloak
He has all of the weaknesses of a low tier and hardly any of the strengths of a high/top tier
languid harbor
His reserection perk is not great
west cloak
Trust me if the meta shifts in a way that landing ToD combos becomes the meta, Jason is dead
Currently, we’re not there yet and everyone is still optimizing
But if we eventually reach a place where every meta relevant character can ToD Jason with optimized combos, the risk reward of using him isn’t gonna be worth it
Regardless if he can sometimes cheese some early kills
west cloak
His reserection perk is not great
It’s pretty bad since most people know to just run away for 5 seconds
The 5% perk is Jason’s best signature
languid harbor
It’s pretty bad since most people know to just run away for 5 seconds
That and you're at high enough damage that you'll get ko'd again. Making it useless since it only does it once.
west cloak
Yeah
west cloak
It’s more worth it in 2v2 because your teammate getting it means they have a better chance of landing a hit before they die
Assuming they’re not also Jason
languid harbor
True. But even then it just gets disabled. Now if it was you and a teamate only got revived once, I think it would be good. But the fact it gets used up only once no matter who died is pretty dumb.
west cloak
It should apply once each to both characters
And the timer should be longer
That’d at least make it usable
But anyway, it’s like 2:30 am for me, so I’m gonna dip
cerulean ingot
How does the Infinity Grab work?
queen drum
they need to fix side airs hit box or somethin
main belfry
They need to fix him in general
median geyser
He's half baked
tacit pivot
so many fun matchups in a row
not
and below the banana guard is a gizmo
then bugs, then joker, then harley, then batman, then harley, then steven
and so on
i have not seen a single low tier in like
50+ games
maybe more
its actually crazy
median geyser
You don't even see Velma right?
This just shows clearly that Nakat did way better as Wonder Woman than Jason... despite being Tanks
honest yoke
i swear 90% of my losses as jason are vs black adam on dexter's lab 2
any other map I can beat him
but every time i fight one on dexters 2 i lose
median geyser
Huh...
honest yoke
https://streamable.com/rxzmns cleanest first 2 stocks of my life
kinda annoying that the grab dropped but it doesnt even matter
tacit pivot
Dexters lab in general is an awful stage for jason imo
Also im slowly losing interest in multiversus
The game itself is fun and all, but I cant stand how bad the communication is from the devs
I don't care when ranked comes, just tell us WHEN it comes
Even if its 3 months from noe
honest yoke
i'm really not a fan of dexter's 2 on any character
tacit pivot
I dont want to keep playing for the off-chance that ranked gets released soon
Just any kind of roadmap or something, or a date for the next patch
All we ever get to hear is "soon"
About literally anything
It's very very frustrating
honest yoke
well tony said the next patch is next week as long as testing goes well
tacit pivot
Where?
main belfry
where do you get the evo thingy on multiversus? had a steven with that
honest yoke
on twitter
tacit pivot
But that kind of undermines my point
honest yoke
where do you get the evo thingy on multiversus? had a steven with that
by playing in evo
tacit pivot
No, you just had to type in a code in 2022 to get the profile icon
For evo
You didnt have to play
honest yoke
oh i thought they meant the badge
tacit pivot
Ah fair
Why isn't the thing Tony said posted on the official mv account, or shown in any mv discord channels
I have to look at each dev's accounts for scraps it feels like
main belfry
almost as if the same dev team does the same mistakes the dev team did back then
honest yoke
its because they dont wanna say a date on official accounts while its still likely to change
tacit pivot
Ranked is my biggest problem tho, I feel like I have genuinely gotten really good at the game by now, but there is nothing to measure it by other than third party tournaments
They also told us multiversus will re-release in early 2024 and missed that anyways
honest yoke
yeah i hope we dont have to wait long for ranked i'll be really disappointed if it turns into the same situation as last time where we get strung along forever
honest yoke
i doubt it'll take that long again but i really hope its at least first month
tacit pivot
Same but idk if i trust them with it
main belfry
Ranked is my biggest problem tho, I feel like I have genuinely gotten really goo...
can we run a set or two?
curious how much better you are then me
i mean probably a lot singlehandedly by the numbers
main belfry
i have dabbled in 4 matches of lebron so i could pick that one up
tacit pivot
Do u play any other fighting games
main belfry
but id run jason otherwise
ive played a bunch over the years just never competetiely or anything like that
tacit pivot
Alright fair enough
What's ur tag
also one thing im realising, the game is extremly stale already
every new thing or event they add, is just you getting bonus stuff for completing the missions you did before
it doesnt put a spin on things
the top dog challenge? play normal pvp
the other 3 challenges? complete missions and play rifts
they are adding a lot of events but they are all just stuff we know already
main belfry
so should i do lebron or you good with ditto
main belfry
i removed dexters and the mojo map yet
tacit pivot
keep batcave, cromulons, both sky arenas, trophy 1 and the scooby stage
its the most fun with those on imo
main belfry
imma leave in the throneroom
i like that one
funny wall combo go woosh
does snowball work in 1s?
west cloak
Yes
tacit pivot
yes
west cloak
Actually, DTM what do you think Jason’s best perks are?
5% signature for sure but what other perks?
median geyser
Pugilist is a must currently...
Speed Force for Strong section ig
Then I go with Snowball Effect
main belfry
you goin speeeedy as hell
tacit pivot
i feel like the ditto is extremly momentum based its so weird
tacit pivot
you dodge, then jump before the dodge animation ends, gives you a huge speed boost in the air
can be done both on the ground and in the air
tacit pivot
Actually, DTM what do you think Jason’s best perks are?
basic 5%, snowball, last stand, pugilist
main belfry
gimme a sec to tes tthat out ill try it out
tacit pivot
last stand can be changed for airwalker and stuff tho
west cloak
basic 5%, snowball, last stand, pugilist
Oh alright that’s what I’m currently using
tacit pivot
also ofc depending on the opponent, change pugilist out to the one that removes armor for a bit
and stuff like that
west cloak
Do you think the dash attack removing armor is worth it over last stand?
In like the WW matchup
I don’t think Jason has any really good fully charged moves for the armor breaking one to replace pugilist tbh
If one of his aerials was chargeable, then it’d be different
tacit pivot
that ate my entire bar
yea exactly
tacit pivot
Do you think the dash attack removing armor is worth it over last stand?
absolutely not
i dont like the dash attack one
i only take the one that removes armor on hit
but its a personal preference i think
main belfry
armor removal on the dodge attack one seems kinda bad no?
tacit pivot
that ditto is so ass 💀
main belfry
that move gives you nearly as much - frames as the bag
so pretty much a free counter
median geyser
Speed Force Assist & Pugilist still the best for 1v1
main belfry
damn you beaten my ass
main belfry
im just glad i hit that airwalker thing that was so funky