his axe...
#Jason
winged furnace
tender ravine
His neutral special in air is so hard to hit with
winged furnace
I think it's funny that you can finish certain nodes based on the variant in the rifts.
tender ravine
I think it's funny that you can finish certain nodes based on the variant in the...
Huh?
elfin fossil
his axe...
Is great, yeah, but I land the vertical combos way more often
winged furnace
Huh?
With WW I used her evil variant to get the Villanous win condition completed on some nodes in the rifts
west cloak
His neutral special in air is so hard to hit with
There’s no reason for it to have as slow startup as it currently has
tender ravine
Is great, yeah, but I land the vertical combos way more often
Up basic into up special into a charged axe 🤤
tender ravine
With WW I used her evil variant to get the Villanous win condition completed on ...
Ah cool
west cloak
I think I just used Jason for those rifts
tender ravine
There’s no reason for it to have as slow startup as it currently has
Also there should be I frames when exiting teleport
I got the battle pass for free thank god
winged furnace
Also there should be I frames when exiting teleport
I think it's meant to be punishable.
west cloak
I got the battle pass for free thank god
Same. And thank god I got to keep the characters I unlocked in the beta
tender ravine
I think it's meant to be punishable.
I think it's stupid
tender ravine
Same. And thank god I got to keep the characters I unlocked in the beta
I didn't 😭
west cloak
Did you use the same account?
tender ravine
Didn't have Finn or Jake 😢
tender ravine
Did you use the same account?
Yessir
west cloak
Oof
tender ravine
How else would I have gotten the bp
winged furnace
I think it's stupid
To be fair, it wouldn't hurt adding I frames to the teleport since he can't attack right after it, keeping him at a neither advantageous nor disadvantage state.
west cloak
Actually, idk if I bought Finn or just used him while he was free, but I don’t have him unlocked either
west cloak
To be fair, it wouldn't hurt adding I frames to the teleport since he can't atta...
I think he can act immediately if he’s grounded
tender ravine
Only if the tp hits
west cloak
I thought I’ve seen it without the TP hitting too
rough socket
Are there any other Jason players who would happily use a perk / trade off that made neutral special do more damage, at the expense of being able to throw an attack out with the grey health still applied?
west cloak
That would instantly be his best perk
Being able to give yourself armor for up to 20 damage without it going away on whiff would be crazy
And he also gets a massive speed boost
elfin fossil
Honestly if unstoppable rage lasted more than one attack it would be amazing. Id love that, id seriously think of getting rid of the Teleports Behind you perk for that
rough socket
I think the way it works now is just a little incongruous with the rest of his moveset
Like, I get the idea in theory, give him that to wade through spam / disjoints to get a hit in
It’s just, from the time I’ve spent playing Jason… you’re almost always gonna prefer to have a hitbox in front of you to do that
tender ravine
Honestly if unstoppable rage lasted more than one attack it would be amazing. Id...
It actually sucks so bad because half the time you just teleport in front of the dude waiting to get hammered
rough socket
Like, the second Jason doesn’t have a machete or axe or sleeping bag hitbox in front of himself, is the second people are going to run in and try to make him combo food (which… usually has a pretty good shot of working)
tender ravine
One issue I have is with his flurry it to get a character out of a charge up the attack has to hit twice
It's just bs in my opinion
And I still don't understand the priority system
Like when 2 attacks hit and one takes priority over the other
elfin fossil
It actually sucks so bad because half the time you just teleport in front of the...
Yeah, it needs I frames or dodge frames.
The opening being punishable is fine because it can hit with knockback, but the exit being the equal of standing still for half a second next to the opponent is just bad
tender ravine
It'll get fixed (I hope)
Because if player first wants this game to stay alive all of the decisions they make need to be 100% backed by the community
tender ravine
Jason's throw is so visceral I love it
tulip plaza
I love how Jason doesn't feel like, censored
like there is no blood of course, but the sound design is still plenty brutal
rough socket
I love how Jason doesn't feel like, censored
like there is no blood of course, b...
Honestly, the way I’ve been describing it, and it’s the biggest compliment I can give to this design
If we ever got a Jason Voorhees cameo in an official Looney Tunes / Tom and Jerry short, this feels like what he’d be like in that short
tender ravine
He fits the vibe of
Big
Menacing
Evil
And mysterious
Glad he's not too cartoony
tulip plaza
speaking of cartoony, been tempted to grab the tooniverse skin for jason, not many other skins I have my eye on
elfin fossil
Jason's throw is so visceral I love it
Side ground throw or air throw?
tulip plaza
grounded up, jab 3, neutral air special, grounded down
so many grabs to choose from pft
tender ravine
Side ground throw or air throw?
The choke throw
tender ravine
speaking of cartoony, been tempted to grab the tooniverse skin for jason, not ma...
I want the green one of him from the battle pass but leveling up is so slow and I don't wanna sit on multiversus for 2 hours trading wins
1 I don't have time for that and 2 it gets really boring without friends
elfin fossil
grounded up, jab 3, neutral air special, grounded down
so many grabs to choose f...
Fair lol
elfin fossil
I want the green one of him from the battle pass but leveling up is so slow and ...
I get 2 ranks every day. Well, more like 1.5, so, 3 ranks every 2 days XD
I'm on track, Jason X here I come~
elfin fossil
The choke throw
Yeah, I love how it has a pause. If it hit two characters at once it would be peak. The number of times where I hit both opponents with Fear the 13th only to grab only one and get hit by the other or at least, watch them escape... Ugh.
tulip plaza
I missed a couple days for battlepass stuff cus of crashing issues, but I fixed them so I'm hopefully still on track
but thats also the thing, I don't see myself using uber jason but I do want to get it, and I dunno if I want to use matrix jason but I also want to to get it, tooniverse seems right up my alley but I also want to save my glemium
choices choices
slender arrow
Stabby stab stab love the air grab when it connects.
elfin fossil
Stabby stab stab love the air grab when it connects.
Could use a bit more range. I know it's a grab but it feels like I can watch Jason caress the opponent and not land it
tulip plaza
I feel that so often
like I'll do the axe grab and it goes right through the person, no "dodged" text, somehow it missed
elfin fossil
I feel that so often
like I'll do the axe grab and it goes right through the per...
Feel like you're about to show them why there's No Escape and then no, apparently Jason was just golfing with an axe, wasn't trying to hit them, even though by all rights the axe should have chopped off a leg
Also, the number of times I've hit Harley's leg with the Up grab or the Axe Smash, and only the Axe touches her, and had us both get hit is annoying.
visual sail
Hes pretty buns bro
tender ravine
Hes pretty buns bro
Just say your not good with him and go back to playing bugs or Harley I don't care but don't you bad mouth my son
Jason slander is not tolerated in this household
tulip plaza
my results are pretty back and fourth with jason
tender ravine
I haven't had a bad match in awhile
I will say that he does poorly against a couple characters that doesn't inherently make him a bad character by any stretch of the means
tulip plaza
I mean naturally anyone is gonna lose against WW pft
balmy prairie
just break her armor and then you don't lose
tulip plaza
if only it was that easy
balmy prairie
there's a perk for that
2fast2block makes your dash break armor with your huge hitbox
it's good against tanks and shaggy too
and even if you don't wanna use that perk there's always the axe throw
tulip plaza
is it any wonder tho that I also lose to bugs and harley every time
then I go against another jason and dominate
this character man
balmy prairie
harley is pretty hard to beat but bugs is just a matter of practice
having the projectile shield perk equipped helps a ton with their projectiles tho
(it even works on mojo jojo's bombs!)
devout burrow
you don't even need the perk if you can parry it on reaction
balmy prairie
i can't parry it on reaction
tulip plaza
clearly everyone needs to be nerfed and jason buffed
smile
pft
tulip plaza
jab 1 into sleeping bag has been pretty consistent but I always forget to do just the first jab
balmy prairie
jab 1 into sleeping bag has been pretty consistent but I always forget to do jus...
fr
i always think "this is the one" and in the middle of mashing i end up doing the whole jab combo instead of just one
good thing the throw is good
tulip plaza
i always think "this is the one" and in the middle of mashing i end up doing the...
same lol
devout burrow
your most reliable combos are jab12 axe throw at low percent then at like 20-30ish you can start hitting jab mist step uair then a bit higher you can go jab mist step axe throw
(jab mist step uair is for near the edge doesn't typically work on batcave because they bounce off the walls but if you hit jab near a wall and axe throw hits off if it you can typically combo off)
balmy prairie
in batcave it's better to use neutral instead of up air
elfin fossil
I do jab12 and then bed crunch
balmy prairie
both grounded and air neutrals shine in there
elfin fossil
Makes em pop up like popcorn
balmy prairie
batcave and cromulons are the best stages for jason because he can stack up so much damage so fast
elfin fossil
both grounded and air neutrals shine in there
Air neutral has a lot more knockback then you'd think
devout burrow
I'm unsure if I'm bad or if ulight doesn't actually combo into anything
balmy prairie
Air neutral has a lot more knockback then you'd think
good
elfin fossil
batcave and cromulons are the best stages for jason because he can stack up so m...
I remember landing Axe throw on someone over the edge in Batcave and they bounced into the car, then rocketed down, it was hilarious
balmy prairie
yeah i killed someone at 0 like that
tulip plaza
I just did that to a shaggy but they didn't die sadly ;w;
devout burrow
oh ye that's really funy
elfin fossil
I'm unsure if I'm bad or if ulight doesn't actually combo into anything
The bed break? No it's pretty good if you got good jump reaction, it sets people up for air combos and stuff
devout burrow
whenever I try uair I get dodged idk
balmy prairie
dude the bed is awesome if you land it
devout burrow
maybe my timing is suck
balmy prairie
most opponents i face are braindead and let me charge it all the way and even dodge into it
elfin fossil
Jab12 sets up int ulight
devout burrow
yea but I'm unsure if that actually combos into anything
balmy prairie
i also learnt that you can jab jab bed near the ledge against opponents with good dodge reaction, they'll ALWAYS dodge after the second jab so you can hit a mid-charge bed
elfin fossil
I've killed with that before, it's really good if your team mate is vertical because it pops up enemies
devout burrow
I mean for kills mist step is usually better anyway
elfin fossil
i also learnt that you can jab jab bed near the ledge against opponents with goo...
Yup, the bed has a lot larger range than you think, it's got a vaccum effect I stg
balmy prairie
yes the bed pulls enemies to the center
devout burrow
especially since jason is way better when his opp is offstage as opposed to above jason
balmy prairie
unfortunately it comes with the drawback of somehow having a hitbox on the bed itself
"ow! my wooden bed" takes damage
balmy prairie
i stg parry is the only way to hit neutral air special
elfin fossil
especially since jason is way better when his opp is offstage as opposed to abov...
I've experienced the opposite: Jason is great when his opponent is above him (except Joker)
elfin fossil
"ow! my wooden bed" *takes damage*
The axe also takes damage. I should know, it and Harley Quinn's sliding leg are very well aquatinted
balmy prairie
The axe also takes damage. I should know, it and Harley Quinn's sliding leg are ...
no, you were probably facing the harley perk that makes her dodge while sliding
elfin fossil
very very good
I need to get better at parrying
devout burrow
I've experienced the opposite: Jason is great when his opponent is above him (ex...
I think you're way scarier when opp is offstage bc they have way less space to maneuver around sair and you don't have to worry about your own lack of mobility because your opponent has to go toward the stage eventually
elfin fossil
no, you were probably facing the harley perk that makes her dodge while sliding
No I've damaged sliding Harley with the Axe and also been hit by her slide, on god bro
balmy prairie
yes because not every harley runs it
elfin fossil
I think you're way scarier when opp is offstage bc they have way less space to m...
Fair. Nothing like charging a Zombie Stomp to plant some Potatoes
balmy prairie
i see more running the aimed glove for some reason
which honestly props to them that's a solid counter to jason
elfin fossil
yes because not every harley runs it
And I'm saying the Axe takes damage
elfin fossil
which honestly props to them that's a solid counter to jason
Yeah fair
devout burrow
Fair. Nothing like charging a Zombie Stomp to plant some Potatoes
not even you just sit on a wall or at the edge and hit sair or dair where they have to end up and they straight up die
balmy prairie
And I'm saying the Axe takes damage
never experienced that
tulip plaza
one thing I know I should probably be using more is netural air, that under axe swing
elfin fossil
not even you just sit on a wall or at the edge and hit sair or dair where they h...
Everyone I try that on has been an ultra mobile who's able to wide berth me, or has a team mate with a Psychic connection rush over and harass me while my own team mate is across the map trying to recover and I never clutch it
elfin fossil
one thing I know I should probably be using more is netural air, that under axe ...
Yeah, it's surprisingly fast and hard hitting
tulip plaza
I just keep forgetting, and then by the time I do its probably too late lol
devout burrow
Everyone I try that on has been an ultra mobile who's able to wide berth me, or ...
my experience has been like that but for when my opp is above me and they just like dodge one of my things and we're immediately back to neutral and I cri
elfin fossil
my experience has been like that but for when my opp is above me and they just l...
From Below (Ulightair) usually resolves that bechas it's fast and hits twice. I've had people dodge the first stab right into being hit by the second
dull axle
If neutral air's startup was a few frames faster i feel like it would be a pretty decent move.
Same goes for jab
devout burrow
realistically a lot of my issues are centered around a lack of frame advantage on moves like nair
ocean vale
does the iron giant have an infinite on jason ???
ok starting to think IG has an infinite period
i met an IG that did simply Jab - jump - Nair
i literally couldn't either DI nor Parry out of it
tulip plaza
yeah, I saw today on twitter that he has multiple infinites
ocean vale
the bot on Hard isn't even doing a dodge an normaly it dodges out of everything
the AI is dumb but NOT that dumb to not escape as soon as an input is pressed
tender ravine
does the iron giant have an infinite on jason ???
He does my buddy likes to play as him and occasionally I'll get caught in an infinite the best thing you can do is either wait it out or get a luck doge
ocean vale
welp... we know what will get patched out o__o
welp, i got the wake up call
time to torture people with giant for a while 👀
tender ravine
Have fun getting juggled
The giant is damage sponge with the worlds largest hit box
ocean vale
i mean it was my first character in the beta xD
and currently playing jason
i'm used to being the THICC bois for some reason in this game lol
tulip plaza
giant and jason to me feel like DK and Ganondorf in smash
there have two modes
combo food, or absolute destruction
ocean vale
yeah but we might need the tune down on Giant's infinite, we're back in season 1 beta lol
now wait to see him get nerfed over and over every patch
tender ravine
now wait to see him get nerfed over and over every patch
If Jason gets nerfed I'll actually write a complaint
ocean vale
i still remember him not receiving ONE buff, only bug fixes and nerfs
tender ravine
If anything he buff
ocean vale
like legit Giant was nerfed to kingdom come no matter the patch
tender ravine
like legit Giant was nerfed to kingdom come no matter the patch
I remember that
tulip plaza
like I said, nerf everyone and buff jason
pf heh
tender ravine
like I said, nerf everyone and buff jason
pf heh
Nerf WW buff Jason rework reindog
steady salmon
Ww is balanced
tulip plaza
everyone is better except my character 👀
sometimes it feels like it lol
tender ravine
Ww is balanced
Like hell she is
ocean vale
@tulip plaza sometimes is just bad luck xD
tender ravine
WW is not balanced
ocean vale
hell taking the nappa example, everyone thought he sucked... and then the tech came out
tulip plaza
Wonder Woman is balanced
hollywood laugh track
tender ravine
Wonder Woman is balanced
*hollywood laugh track*
She shouldn't be a tank imo
steady salmon
She has everything needed for a platform fighting game unlike everyone else once u nerf her is like damn
Whats her purpose
Bring everyone else up
🤷
dense sun
@steady salmon I'm surprised you say that, because a lot of your interactions in this server is "nerf this nerf that"
dense sun
🧀
dense sun
No, I'm sleepy
tender ravine
I got timed out for forgetting that there's no bad words
I prefer the term sentence enhancer
devout burrow
does the iron giant have an infinite on jason ???
I'm fairly certain the infinite is universal
devout burrow
If anything he buff
You'd think that and then you look at what they did to Taz
tender ravine
I'm fairly certain the infinite is universal
Jason's large frame makes it easier and because he's larger and can't dodge as far it is very easy to get caught in it
tender ravine
You'd think that and then you look at what they did to Taz
What did they do to my boy taz?
Is he unplayable?
devout burrow
What did they do to my boy taz?
He was the worst character in the game and in the first patch of the beta they nerfed him with 0 compensatory buffs
tender ravine
Christ
devout burrow
That was when I quit the game bc I knew that the team needed to learn how to balance a video game
tender ravine
Yknow what really grinds my gears
The fact that every single game I queue is the same 4 fighters
WW, Harley, Bugs, Tom and Jerry, or Jason
devout burrow
I don't really care that every match is a shaggy ww harley or tom
tender ravine
Forgot shaggy
tender ravine
I don't really care that every match is a shaggy ww harley or tom
I want to play against something like a Steven universe or a Jake every once in awhile
devout burrow
I have yet to lose a 2s match where the enemy team picks jason
tender ravine
Jason mirrors are funny because all of the jason players are bad
I'd say I'm actually not to shabby
devout burrow
You do not want to play against steven universe
tender ravine
You do not want to play against steven universe
I don't play 2s
tulip plaza
I did double Jason with a friend and we did pretty good
devout burrow
I don't play 2s
no I'm saying in 1s steven is a miserable experience
tender ravine
speaking of jason mirrors
Don't forget about the shoulder check there was a couple of times where you coulda canceled the folding bed with it
Otherwise
"Yeah that's what I woulda did"
Except I play my Jason more horizontal
tulip plaza
I did pretty well that game, got two stocks and then started going silly goin for that grab
and it worked in the end too
tender ravine
I noticed lmao
Half my Jason games are oh no I think I'm cooked and then I lock in last minute
A lot of it is also just trying to experiment and see what works
If all else fails I play banana guard
tulip plaza
that silly banana
devout burrow
the only reason I play anything other than jason is event quests
tulip plaza
PFG does a good job with making characters fun, so I'm excited for all the characters we get next
who knows who I might stick with
devout burrow
I'm just trying to be the best jason in the world
tender ravine
Good luck
tulip plaza
the strongest jason ever created
tender ravine
Lowkey mad that they didn't relaunch with ranked
I just play casually man
I don't wanna play with the tryhards
devout burrow
I'm best Jason NA (I have never lost a mirror)
tender ravine
(I have never lost a mirror either - my opponent desynchs)
Every single time I start cooking I get a desync
ocean vale
I'm fairly certain the infinite is universal
yeah i then tried on Shaggy and it worked the same
like i mentioned, we're just like beta 1 pretty much ... only less goofy looking
tender ravine
I miss beta 1
ocean vale
last one literally was just dropping and it would trigger xD
tender ravine
It was complete trash but at least I didn't desync
I'm gonna keep complaining till it's fixed
turbid lichen
bros never seen any of the films
devout burrow
I have in fact never watched friday the 13th
river token
I'm beginning to think Jason is actually kinda low tier
I feel like every Tank/Assassin just kinda beats him out
He's too slow to deal with Assassins right, and he doesn't have anything that's a fast multihit/break attack to deal with armour properly.
Definately better in 2s but I think my boy might need some assistance
Unclear actually
gray gale
He's too slow to deal with Assassins right, and he doesn't have anything that's ...
that's why you run 2 fast 2 block
it's not like the 5% speed boost from speed force is that useful
5% of a terrible walking speed is still terrible
at least your dash attack can go through armor
river token
iirc Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash states that he's a Deadite
gray gale
Bro
they should look at Jason's hurtbox during his attacks
cuz why is suddenly the machete a hurtbox when I jab????
half of Jason's moves make him a larger target and it makes it objectively impossible to box out a crap ton of moves
you'd think that the big guy with long arms and 2 weapons would have some disjoints
quiet sorrel
iirc Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash states that he's a Deadite
Tbh the movies aren't really consistent
He was supposed to be a Deadite since Jason Goes To Hell iirc
river token
Tbh the movies aren't really consistent
That one isn't even a movie, FvJvA is a comic
quiet sorrel
That one isn't even a movie, FvJvA is a comic
Yeah ik
median geyser
I have in fact never watched friday the 13th
I watched all F13 but mostly just for Voorhees
median geyser
I'm beginning to think Jason is actually kinda low tier
He's very low tier imo, one of the worst Tank in the game... definitely needed buffs
He was thought to be strong at the start but as week progressing, he became weak & overwhelmed
river token
100%
median geyser
That one isn't even a movie, FvJvA is a comic
I still like FvJ though
Aw man I would love Krueger to be in the game
river token
FvJ my favourite movie
median geyser
Also lot of memes & comedy
river token
The Bedfold move IS from that iirc
median geyser
It is...
lean flare
Am I missing something or is Jason worse than most the cast? He's not bad, definitely not, but he feels no where near as good as most the roster.
west cloak
He’s just way too slow in terms of movement and frame data
lean flare
Damn
turbid lichen
down air is also good but thin hitbox but it pops up and his up air and up air special are great
west cloak
top players with him seem to spam side air
It’s definitely his best move
lean flare
I love him, he's a lot of fun, but he has no answer for fast jugglers like Finn
turbid lichen
bit of a ladder character that wants to do lots of short hops where you quick fall
yeah his escape is kinda bad
lean flare
Well, they'll prolly buff him
turbid lichen
and his dmg isnt that high
lean flare
So Ill stick with him
turbid lichen
hopefully
his strength and banana guards strength felt like they should have been opposite
west cloak
They just need to make his grounded down special and aerial neutral special grabs less risky to use
turbid lichen
yeah and do bigger dmg
west cloak
Sleeping bag has like 10 years of whiff lag
turbid lichen
problem is alot of his stuff takes ages to finish and in 2s their teamate just hits you out of it even if you land it
west cloak
And his air grab has like 10 years of startup
turbid lichen
ive never got the spike from the neutral grab in 2s cause their teammate just starts juggling me out of it
its just unsafe when landed
west cloak
problem is alot of his stuff takes ages to finish and in 2s their teamate just h...
I feel like he should maybe get armor when he grabs someone because in the very few times I’ve actually landed either grab in 2v2, I’ve gotten hit immediately after
turbid lichen
yeah no knockback during neutral air special and grounded up special active frames if you hit would be great
i think he would be insanely better if they just removed self dmg from the buff
cause it already has a meter that needs to refill
either make it meterless with self dmg or no self dmg with meter, not both
tulip plaza
I bought the tooniverse Jason skin, and then my first match with it I destroyed a WW
feelin good
tacit pivot
I bought the tooniverse Jason skin, and then my first match with it I destroyed ...
Beautiful.
median geyser
down air is also good but thin hitbox but it pops up and his up air and up air s...
Down Special is very good if you hit two slices
Guarantee kill on somewhere around 80 dmg
median geyser
Sleeping bag has like 10 years of whiff lag
It's the worst recovery in the game ngl
That recovery needs to be in par atleast somewhere around Axe Swing recovery
Makes no sense to have that such ridiculous missed recovery
tulip plaza
it sucks that the whiff is so long, because I think the sleeping bag is a funny move pf
median geyser
It's also the worst move
Coz it can't even kill 120+ dmg which is a joke
Despite I throw them in the most out of edge as possible
It's just sad
turbid lichen
yeah down air special is good, even if you only hit one it pops up for his up air juggle
he really feels like the moves that were meant to be good suck and the moves that were meant to be filler are good
median geyser
yeah down air special is good, even if you only hit one it pops up for his up ai...
It's a better alternative of the punch, the punch just has some wacky hitboxes
Which I didn't use much...
turbid lichen
yeah punch is slim for sure
median geyser
But it's just like most of the casts
Like for example, Ik T&J down air is same with the frying pan I think...
turbid lichen
some spikes are quite fat, atleast fatter than jasons
not got all chars tho
im not sure what the best way to pop them up is?
is jab jab up attack true?
turbid lichen
double poke is thin hitbox but its deceptively good i feel, maybe ive just been lucky
median geyser
The second up poke has larger knockback
turbid lichen
hitting both is decent dmg and it keeps him airborne a while
turbid lichen
overall he feels like you can stay in the air for years and follow them up
its just getting them up their in the first place
up special is insane
air that is
might be one of the best in game
turbid lichen
yeah its a long startup
but he can kill on up air so if you dodge that and jason delayed up special
vs delay dodge and you get double poked out of the roof
turbid lichen
haha yeah its bad
turbid lichen
slow hard to hit and you get hit out of it by their teammate
median geyser
It's very good for 1v1 if you land it but still the slow startup is just bad
turbid lichen
i had success with the teleport behind them perk and doing jab jab side special then instant neutral special because sometimes it puts you right on them mid air off stage and they are just dead, but its such a gimmick and +5% is way better on him
i guess its like a really risky edge guard
but you may as well use side air
turbid lichen
yeah its just like when will you hit it
median geyser
Yes but still useful tool compare to neutral grab
median geyser
Bit slow yeah but better than the grab still
turbid lichen
im not sure how to buff him
making neutral special not dmg is a start but they need to somehow move his powerbudget around, cause alot of his power is in moves you basically cant land
median geyser
It's hard but idt Player First Game will ever do that...
tender ravine
im not sure how to buff him
Give him I-frames when exiting teleport
median geyser
making neutral special not dmg is a start but they need to somehow move his powe...
His side combo definitely need some buffs, too slow can't even hit as well
turbid lichen
Give him I-frames when exiting teleport
would be kinda crazy considering you can attack straight out of tp already
yeah faster jab would help and better hitbox on it
tender ravine
would be kinda crazy considering you can attack straight out of tp already
You can't 😭 he's just there for like a solid 0.5 seconds
median geyser
yeah faster jab would help and better hitbox on it
The axe ground neutral is underrated btw... I should use that often...
turbid lichen
you can if you spam the input while hes tping
you just dont know if you need to aim left or right so you often whiff
i guess thats just learning tp distance tho
high level stuff
neutral grab straight out if tp is funny like i said but side air is prob most optimal
turbid lichen
The axe ground neutral is underrated btw... I should use that often...
its good just slow and hard to hit, cant confirm into it
teleport ends up being his confirm kill move
median geyser
its good just slow and hard to hit, cant confirm into it
It isn't slow imo... but it's still a good alternate move to 3 hit combo
tender ravine
teleport ends up being his confirm kill move
And neutral
west cloak
It isn't slow imo... but it's still a good alternate move to 3 hit combo
Idk if that’s guaranteed or not tho
turbid lichen
its not super slow but you cant get it off of jabs so you gotta do it raw
west cloak
I find it most useful for catching people at the ledge since it does hit pretty low
turbid lichen
yeah it just doesnt hit very high so unless they are hugging ledge its kinda eh
tender ravine
its not super slow but you cant get it off of jabs so you gotta do it raw
Comboing his jabs into an ip special and just continuing to hit the opponent into the air is a pretty easy way to win
turbid lichen
very fun move to land tho
turbid lichen
Comboing his jabs into an ip special and just continuing to hit the opponent int...
yeah but not neutral axe
west cloak
Axe grab confirms out of jab, but not the neutral attack axe
median geyser
Axe grab confirms out of jab, but not the neutral attack axe
I'm not sure if a ender combo grab is any good
median geyser
Another useless move hooray
west cloak
It’s not completely useless
Because if you’re facing away from ledge and hit a jab, you can turn the grab around to throw them off stage
median geyser
Because if you’re facing away from ledge and hit a jab, you can turn the grab ar...
Axe Throw can do the same
west cloak
I guess that’s also true
elfin fossil
It has good knockback, so yeah, if you do it near a ledge, it's great for launching, and it's also good for throwing the opponent at your teammate for juggling or hit confirm
west cloak
But axe throw doesn’t send them very far
west cloak
It has good knockback, so yeah, if you do it near a ledge, it's great for launch...
I can see it having more use in 2v2
But it’s not that useful in 1v1
elfin fossil
I can see it having more use in 2v2
It does, hell, if you have another Jason and good team work, you can throw them into an Axe Slam and delete the opl
west cloak
The only use for sleeping bag is the glitch where if you grab both opponents, one of them just straight up disappears lmao
elfin fossil
But it’s not that useful in 1v1
Yeah but the game is made for 2v2, and that's what I meanly play
west cloak
I play both
west cloak
My only real issue with 2v2 is that there are more chances to run into people playing on McDonald’s wifi
turbid lichen
up special axe is eh
the third jab does more dmg and also can side swap
doesnt up special have vertical popup, thats prob its best use
west cloak
Idk I feel a lot of people panic after getting hit by axe and it leaving the opponent so close to Jason makes it way easier to get follow ups
Even if they’re not guaranteed
The amount of people I’ve hit after axe grab with either sair or charged utilt after they panic dodge is not insignificant
median geyser
up special axe is eh
Axe throw is okay tbh
spiral pewter
the third jab does more dmg and also can side swap
Up Special axe is an anti-air with good horizontal. You're not using it to deal the most damage you're using it to deal damage in an optimal setting.
Plus in 2s it's got a long animation so a teammate can piggyback more damage off of it
median geyser
I mean it's good if using raw as well
spiral pewter
Yeah I'm saying it's not useful as a jab finisher (unless the opponent has a habit of not airdodging cause then it's a free Sair followup)
median geyser
Yeah
spiral pewter
Jab 1 -> Sleeping bag, Jab 2 -> Side Special as a kill tool, Jab 2 -> dtilt -> I think sair or up tilt? One of them is true, I forget which one
median geyser
A'ight...
west cloak
Jab 1 -> Sleeping bag, Jab 2 -> Side Special as a kill tool, Jab 2 -> dtilt -> I...
Jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> utilt is true on DI in after dtilt
Jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> grounded up b is true on DI out after dtilt
spiral pewter
If grounded up b is true then sh sair should be too, I think it's faster
west cloak
I don’t think sair is faster, but it could be true at certain percents maybe
It would be nice to get actual frame data in training mode or something
spiral pewter
Well according to the lab dtilt -> utilt isn't true with no DI
But dtilt -> Neutral attack is.
west cloak
Yeah it’s only on DI in
spiral pewter
Which is... great actually
west cloak
If they DI in, jab 1,2 -> dtilt -> utilt -> uair does mad damage
west cloak
It’s usually worth going for at ledge at percents where mist won’t kill yet
spiral pewter
I'm not confirming dtilt -> utilt even on DI in.
What %?
I AM getting just straight up jab 1,2 -> utilt though lmao
west cloak
Yeah that works too
turbid lichen
how are you practicing against di’s cause you cant in lab can you?
west cloak
Second controller?
spiral pewter
If you set the bot to dodge after hitstun they'll di the direction they're planning to dodge
west cloak
How do you know which way they’re planning on dodging tho?
spiral pewter
Training mode may be lacking in some things but the bot does actually react fast
You can set the direction they dodge
brave bluff
What are optimal Jason perk combos
west cloak
5% signature, and I personally go for snowball effect, last stand, and pugilist
turbid lichen
yeah alot go for last stand
west cloak
But the 5% movement speed boost for perk 2 is also good
turbid lichen
its that or speed the rest are basically non negotiable
west cloak
And the dash attack armor break is kinda needed against WW
spiral pewter
Everyone has their things. Personally for the disrespect I'm looking into airwalker tech
But parrying is super useful on Jason
brave bluff
Thanks :D
spiral pewter
Maybe the most important character in the game to learn parries on
median geyser
You just stand still & press dodge button to parry right?
west cloak
Everyone has their things. Personally for the disrespect I'm looking into airwal...
I’ve seen Arya clips with airwalker and they’re absolutely disgusting
west cloak
You just stand still & press dodge button to parry right?
Yeah
spiral pewter
You just stand still & press dodge button to parry right?
Doesn't have to be grounded but yeah neutral dodge
median geyser
Seems tough to do I think
spiral pewter
Not particularly when you get used to timings
turbid lichen
might be some combo with airwalk neutral attack
west cloak
I always expect to immediately continue falling after a successful parry and often miss my punish
turbid lichen
axe them mid air
west cloak
Need to work on that
spiral pewter
I think the easiest timing to learn first is batman grapple
west cloak
Yeah it’s pretty consistent
spiral pewter
And on some characters w/ mashy advantage state you get a feel for parrying really quickly, like vs Harley
Where a well timed parry can kill her at 50 from her advanatage state
west cloak
If you go for the risky parry against her bat at the top blast zone, you can kill her even earlier than that
spiral pewter
Exactly
west cloak
But like if you miss, you’re also probably dead
spiral pewter
You're at the top of the blast zone
As Jason
Vs a Harley
You were already dead
west cloak
True lol
west cloak
Yeah
spiral pewter
The important thing is knowing the best option to punish a parry with
For a reverse juggle ALWAYS up special
west cloak
Esp for tanks
Well, IG can just make people explode while getting comboed
He doesn’t even need parry lmao
spiral pewter
IG also has an infinite and got banned from certain tournaments yesterday
He doesn't count
west cloak
I know
I ran into someone a day or two ago who was playing IG fishing for the infinite and had an EVO badge
spiral pewter
lmaooo
spiral pewter
Yeah that tracks lol
west cloak
Even with the infinite, Shaggy debatably goes even if not wins the matchup imo
spiral pewter
A fisherman with only one kind of bait seldom feeds a family
Honestly IG having his loop ALMOST falls into a sort of "he needs it" category lmao
Almost
west cloak
And a tip for anyone encountering people spamming IG infinite, DI up and you can sometimes avoid the second hit of nair and escape
spiral pewter
But anyway yeah, Jason combos back on subject
jab 2 dtilt neutral attack is true
On both di out and normal di. but not di in
west cloak
How long is it true for?
west cloak
Oh lol
spiral pewter
With this kind of game the safe answer is "reasonably long" lmao
west cloak
Alright
spiral pewter
Okay confirmed dtil utilt up air starting at 30% vs Shaggy
And GAHLEE that's a lot of damage
37%
Oh that's cool lmao
median geyser
Man I just got bodied by Gizmo & idk what to do
spiral pewter
no DI or DI out at 30%? dtilt -> nair -> sair is true
40%
Oh Gizmo is Jason's worst MU people just don't know it yet
median geyser
Oh Gizmo is Jason's worst MU people just don't know it yet
Really? Yeah
Typical characters that can do multiple attacks that stun you is worst matchups
spiral pewter
Imagine getting chased the way a Harley does but with little to no actual way of avoiding the juggles due to sporadic timing, a projectile that's 3x more common, and a hurtbox that's half Harley's size
turbid lichen
start putting this in a spreadsheet so we can post in bulk and pin it
spiral pewter
And then you have Gizmo
median geyser
Imagine getting chased the way a Harley does but with little to no actual way of...
Yeah
spiral pewter
I'm a lab monster not a lab organizer
Someone wanna set a spreadsheet up and plug in my findings? Go for it and give me a quirky little shoutout, or don't idc
spiral pewter
LOL THAT HAS TO BE A BUG
So apparently thrown sleeping bag does no damage to an opponent hit by it?
Seems wholeheartedly not useful if it's defining traits are to make you and 1 opponent temporarily useless
Someone wanna start that spreadsheet up cause I got some info lmao
turbid lichen
no why would it
median geyser
This game often feels very competitive at times... idk if I should be playing & getting miserable with how low tier Jason is...
devout burrow
Jason is the best character in the game what are you talking about
spiral pewter
Hoo that's gotta be one of his best and most practical combos in the game
median geyser
Jason is the best character in the game what are you talking about
I literally got bodied by Gizmo earlier so idk why I should be miserable all the time man
Mages negged the worst Tank in the game, no doubt
Is Gizmo a mage? I forgot
spiral pewter
As early as 0% if you do a landing nair past your opponent you can combo intot jab 1,2 dtilt into either
nair -> sair
or
up tilt -> up air
For some NUTTY damage
Especially if you have your neutral special up
sour radish
Jason is the best character in the game what are you talking about
1v1 me I’ll change your mind lol
median geyser
1v1 me I’ll change your mind lol
Cook him
spiral pewter
1v1 me I’ll change your mind lol
I can't tell if this means you're going to show off god level play on other characters or just like.,... the worst Jason gameplay in the world
median geyser
As early as 0% if you do a landing nair past your opponent you can combo intot j...
I think after nair, the sair might not be guaranteed coz they can dodge out of it
spiral pewter
It's DI dependant
devout burrow
1v1 me I’ll change your mind lol
you can most certainly try
sour radish
I can't tell if this means you're going to show off god level play on other char...
The first .. jason is b tier at best, struggles against anyone who isn’t clueless
median geyser
The first .. jason is b tier at best, struggles against anyone who isn’t clueles...
Most of the people aren't clueless
Even unranked matches
spiral pewter
The first .. jason is b tier at best, struggles against anyone who isn’t clueles...
95% of all players are clueless
Including and especially Jason players
sour radish
My thoughts are he can look like a monster vs low level players, but against high level players he’s juggle food @median geyser @spiral pewter
spiral pewter
So odds of you having fought a really good Jason to draw this conclusion from is low
Against anyone with a brain cell he's juggle food
That's not the point
median geyser
95% of all players are clueless
I kinda know what I'm doing but I just don't know how to get hits correctly, most of the time just lose due to slow startups & bodied
sour radish
He has kill potential but good luck getting a hit off
median geyser
My thoughts are he can look like a monster vs low level players, but against hig...
Anyone who plays Mages bodied the sh*t out of Jason
devout burrow
oftentimes if you get cooked there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how you have to play a matchup
or you're against iron giant and make 3 mistakes kekw
spiral pewter
@sour radish Eh screw it, depending on who you play I'm down for some 1s
sour radish
mages, bg, harley, ww, shaggy, batman all shd on jason
devout burrow
I'm 1000% down for 1s
median geyser
mages, bg, harley, ww, shaggy, batman all shd on jason
Fr
devout burrow
no matter what
spiral pewter
Out of all those
sour radish
I don’t play any of those actually
spiral pewter
BG and Harley are the only two that outright body Jason
devout burrow
tbh I've stopped struggling against most of those chars atp
median geyser
I don't think the devs gonna buff Voorhees anytime soon... I can tell... coz he's still in such bad state rn...
spiral pewter
What do you mean "still"
There hasn't been a balance patch
But also
He's not that bad
median geyser
What do you mean "still"
English fart...
median geyser
He's not _that_ bad
I just get miserable at times where I got bodied by worst matchups
sour radish
tbh I've stopped struggling against most of those chars atp
interesting lol, question, do you use the tp perk?
lapis mist
idk i think hes pretty bad. the only thing he has going for him is killing early off a dodge read and many characters do that with a much better neutral game
spiral pewter
He's second tankiest in the game
He's GOT combos that are easy to land when you play right, and those combos work from 0% to kill percent
median geyser
He's GOT combos that are easy to land when you play right, and those combos work...
Unless the people know how to dodge them is a debate to this... coz they can dodge out of it np
lapis mist
he has no way to contest when he loses the neutral either which will happen often bc he has the worst neutral in the game
spiral pewter
And against "mages" he goes even against anyone with a projectile if you perk loadout correctly
sour radish
<@315602219023990793> Eh screw it, depending on who you play I'm down for some 1...
I play joker and have yet to lose to any Jason, and feel like i read everything they try to do, combo food, slow, and readable
spiral pewter
We can run that
sour radish
Cool
spiral pewter
I think Joker's only -1 for Jason
lapis mist
I think Joker's only -1 for Jason
that cant be right lol
lapis mist
you guys think if they buffed everyone’s speed jason would be more viable
wouldnt help his neutral game. all of his aerials just have so much startup
plus his jab is weak. he needs a good jab
spiral pewter
I feel like
The people who complain about startup in this game
Have never played Smash at a mid-high level even once
No offense
lapis mist
whats your point?
spiral pewter
It's just such a mimicked opinion that means nothing beyond its surface contribution to the conversation
sour radish
well he’s right in the sense his neutral moves are a bit lacking
and his aerial moves are stronger
spiral pewter
Neutral doesn't simply involve attacking
sour radish
i think his mist move is an underrated startup
spiral pewter
Anyway less schmuh duh duh more duh duh duh.
lapis mist
Neutral doesn't simply involve attacking
yes it also involves whiff punishing which again, his jab is bad. a good player isnt going to give you the opportunity
spiral pewter
His jab is- firstly- not a TERRIBLE whiff punish, which is better than half the cast's jabs.
Secondly
lapis mist
he was fine on day one when everyone attacked into his armor but he just doesnt have the right tools to compete in this game imo. weaknesses far outweigh his strenghts
spiral pewter
His nair's a good whiff punish which combos into jab
devout burrow
I really don't even think it's very helpful to commiserate about the character
devout burrow
interesting lol, question, do you use the tp perk?
of course not it's bad
spiral pewter
All I'm saying is you need a change in perspective
That being- use this channel as a means of learning
Or
Complain in the feedback channel
Or
Drop him?
lapis mist
im not complaining. i dont play the character. im just stating facts
devout burrow
His nair's a good whiff punish which combos into jab
in my experience it doesn't combo to anything unless the opp just doesn't know how to dodge
spiral pewter
In your experience you're wrong.
Nair true combos into sair at mid percents and jab at low percents
And you can check that in the lab
devout burrow
it might be that I'm hitting the early part of nair
the lab isn't a very reliable way to test things apparently
lapis mist
And you can check that in the lab
lab isnt accurate
devout burrow
the bots are terrible
devout burrow
lab isnt accurate
also I'm unsure if testing vs iron giant is reliable either I'm 90% sure that mf takes less hitstun
spiral pewter
Lab has instant reaction and you can alter the DI by changing their dodge after hitstun direction
I also reconfirmed in norms after I was comfortable so 🤷♂️
lapis mist
Lab has instant reaction and you can alter the DI by changing their dodge after ...
you would think. but its not.
median geyser
I like doing jab, jab then stomp & bed
spiral pewter
If this isn't coming from a former T100 player, or Nakat, or Void.
No offense I don't believe it
lapis mist
lol
sour radish
lol
devout burrow
well I tested a combo I thought was real (mist step jab) into a dodging player
and it
did not work
lapis mist
well just wait for the pros to tell you exactly what i tell you
spiral pewter
Who told you mist step jab was true anyway? It's definitely not replicatable in lab
spiral pewter
Just "dodge after hitstun"?
spiral pewter
Hard difficulty cpu? Replicated exactly how you performed it in training in your match
haughty gazelle
Recommended perk set?
spiral pewter
With the same positioning and percents
spiral pewter
In training or in match?
devout burrow
in match
spiral pewter
Yeah then it wouldn't perform the same
Tanks passively take less damage
Used to be anyway
lapis mist
also I'm unsure if testing vs iron giant is reliable either I'm 90% sure that mf...
you might be right about this tbh. ive had some weird things happen against iron giant. getting parried when the combo shouldve been true
devout burrow
you might be right about this tbh. ive had some weird things happen against iron...
ye does it say anything about it on his passive or something?
lapis mist
ye does it say anything about it on his passive or something?
i dont believe so
devout burrow
cause jab12 miststep doesn't seem to be true on him
when it is true on
literally everyone els
lapis mist
I posted the reason
this isnt what they mean
devout burrow
and I don't know whether or not damage even affects anything other than, well, damage
idk if it affects kb or hitstun or something
spiral pewter
Also jab 1-2 if you aren't tight on it can be DI'd out of mist-step range
devout burrow
yes depending on range or whatever I know
spiral pewter
But I've gotten jab 1,2 into mist step on IG before
devout burrow
on IG is literally just doesn't seem to function
spiral pewter
I didn't realize that's what you were talking about
Hell actually IG is a characters you can combo jab 1,2 side special INTO something else if you take yourself offstage with it
Idk what you did wrong
spiral pewter
Can also combo dj sair off of it
Anyway my offer to run 1s has been open for the last 20 minutes and no one's posted their tag
devout burrow
I just got out of the shower lul
HootsforceArise @sour radish @spiral pewter whoever's playing
spiral pewter
Sent
devout burrow
poggies
spiral pewter
Guess I didn't remove that one lmao
devout burrow
should probably get that one outta here
spiral pewter
Is there a stage list somewhere yet?
spiral pewter
Well everything left should be fine anyway
Something I never considered in the ditto is how good jab 2 anti airs
devout burrow
the ditto is really funny
do you see why I have the opinions I do on this character now
spiral pewter
I clearly need to learn more about dodges in this game cause I pulled the EXACT dodge out of jab 1 as you did to get advantage state tthat last stock and took an L for it
devout burrow
ye
spiral pewter
What was different idfk but your sair went through when mine didn't and I died for it lol
Nice
Man I gotta get better at my advantage states
devout burrow
did you burn your recoveries on accident lul
devout burrow
touching wall doesn't reset them methinks
only ground
or am I thinking of dodges
ok I'm wrong lul
spiral pewter
Okay that glitch is ticking me off so badly
spiral pewter
If you airdodge on the ground right after a charged attack you airdodge forward
See?
spiral pewter
I've noticed lmao
So if mansion is on the stage list absolutely pick it as Jason lol
spiral pewter
I get dicked on Crom by rushdowns tbh
These interactions seem so mirrored but always end in your favor
You dodge sair into I dodge sair but when I dodge into a punish I whiff
devout burrow
it might just be execution
but also like
I'm like
putting you into positions where you're less able to properly react to me
basically
devout burrow
like I can't really explain in the short amount of time a rematch timer gives
holy on
so basically right
the interactions only look mirrored because we're playing the same character
in reality, I'm in complete control a lot of the time because I'm constantly able to pinpoint exactly where I want my character to be and as a result know when I can do what I want to do
it's like
whenever I dodge in for a sair vs if I don't
I understand my spacings and how my movement affects those
spiral pewter
Ah I get it. I don't have the same awareness on where things are going to put me in its exact
Might be because I play and experiment with too many chars
devout burrow
you need to be constantly aware of exactly where you are and where you want to go
and how you're going to get there
you also need to know where your opponent wants to be
I was getting hit like a goober because I was dodging inward
fairly consistently
is there a character that you play more than Jason
spiral pewter
More than Jason? No. Better than Jason? Well, probably Gizmo cause he was my most played in Beta.
devout burrow
I have spent the past weekend grinding jason
and jason alone
in my about 20 hours of gameplay I'm level 10 with him
haughty gazelle
Who do you guys feel like Jason's best teammates are in 2s? I've gotten the best results out of The Joker simply because of the fast vertical climb we can cause our opponents
devout burrow
I think he works well with almost everything but ime he works best with the usual suspects like ww and banana guard
harley too
spiral pewter
Okay that 6 dair edge guard
devout burrow
there we go
spiral pewter
Was something we should address
devout burrow
yea you were in fatigue
spiral pewter
Oh I know but I was SCREAMING lol
spiral pewter
Yeah I gotta remove that stage too
spiral pewter
Much better
devout burrow
also why do you have push the advantage on instead of snowball effect
spiral pewter
I was just thinking about that between matches lol
spiral pewter
Yeah you've kinda opened my eyes on that.
devout burrow
have you just been trying to chip people out at like 150 this whole time lul
devout burrow
I mean like
you literally don't deal enough attacks for the weakness stacks to matter lul
is the other thing
one hit usually just kills them at 125
unless they're exactly like
jason or iron giant
spiral pewter
Sorry, I tilted first stock when the game dodge jumped me the exact opposite direction I inputted
spiral pewter
After I was waiting with extreme patience to go in when you had no stamina it reversed my dodge jump
spiral pewter
Like WHY lmao
devout burrow
ye
river token
Can we do anything into Rick's down air?
Like assuming he's not super outta position is there anything we can do there or is it just move away?
west cloak
Who do you guys feel like Jason's best teammates are in 2s? I've gotten the best...
Someone with either fast speed or good projectiles. Jason can then act as a team combo finisher and make people explode
river token
Who do you guys feel like Jason's best teammates are in 2s? I've gotten the best...
Honestly I like Batman. His crazy neutral just makes Jason feel less glacially slow 'n' stubby.
west cloak
Yeah he’s best paired with one of those “hold down the neutral for me” characters
river token
i.e. he's bad
river token
listen I'm a Jason main but my boy is low tier
river token
He’s fun tho
Oh exactly. When things hit they're fun, cool and feel good but damn
west cloak
In 1v1 he’s definitely bottom 5
river token
He's so slow, such bad normals, everything is INCREDIBLY punishable
haughty gazelle
I don't care if someone is bad I just want fun
spiral pewter
I've never seen a person who loved his character's sair so much that the sair actually loved him back
west cloak
I haven’t played him as much in 2v2 to make a concrete opinion
river token
I think he's the lowest character who isn't entirely bereft of function
west cloak
I don't care if someone is bad I just want fun
This is exactly why you’d play Jason
devout burrow
I've never seen a person who loved his character's sair so much that the sair ac...
I love my character's good moves
I take care of them
spiral pewter
Cause Istg in those moments where you're edgeguarding me with sair on high
I'M DODGING
But your sair goes "nah I'm faster rn"
river token
Like Velma and Gizmo just aren't functional at the moment but of the characters who can play the game I think Jason might unironically be the worst character in the game
haughty gazelle
I choose to have a character to play for each class Tank: Jason Bruiser : Banana Guard Mage: Joker and assassin I don't have any soo ¯_(ツ)_/¯
river token
BOLD to say Jason is actually a tank
He's a bruiser without any of the mobility
He's just a slow bruiser imo
river token
I choose to have a character to play for each class Tank: Jason Bruiser : Banana...
Stripe is fun
west cloak
Like Velma and Gizmo just aren't functional at the moment but of the characters ...
Bro idk what you’re on Gizmo is a top tier rn
Velma is definitive bottom 1 tho
They removed every one of her good tools
river token
I haven't tried him admittedly since I was in the understanding he just wasn't of any worth in 1s
haughty gazelle
I just bought Gizmo because I needed a gremlins character and I flipped a coin
river token
And I mostly play 1s
west cloak
Watch Nakat play Gizmo to see how cracked he can be
spiral pewter
BRO WHAT IS THIS LOL
devout burrow
But your sair goes "nah I'm faster rn"
It's got that "nah, I'd win" ahh energy
spiral pewter
Literally tho
west cloak
Watch Nakat play Gizmo to see how cracked he can be
He’s more difficult to play, but he’s hella good
river token
Alr
spiral pewter
Gizmo's been sleeper SINCE release
river token
I could've sworn there was a mage that just wasn't functional in 1s
spiral pewter
He was S tier on launch and so few people understood it that he got buffed lmao
devout burrow
I think Jason is quite decent
river token
Like none of their stuff worked
west cloak
Is Velma considered a mage now? Is so it’s her lol
river token
I think Jason is quite decent
He's ok in 2s since he can just eradicate people but like
He's SO slow
Every normal/special he has is either not really all that good or just loses to a lot of options
Smoke, Sleeping Bag, Axe Walk, Dair, Jab...
His machete is a part of his hurtbox btw, why.
haughty gazelle
Is Velma considered a mage now? Is so it’s her lol
Yes she is
river token
All the downsides of being a slow weapon character with none of the upsides. All of the downsides of being a grappler with like half the upsides.
west cloak
His machete is a part of his hurtbox btw, why.
Smash Bros DK tie hurtbox moment
river token
Especially with the fact Finn is just Jason but better
river token
He's insane
west cloak
He just actually has to play disadvantage now because he doesn’t have gem
river token
He's another character who's hitboxes feel... incorrect too.
west cloak
Taz has the stubbiest range in the game
river token
Like I can see the gap between my body and Finn's hits. Same with Banana Guard
devout burrow
He's SO slow
being slow isn't a weakness if the stage is small and a lot of the stages are in fact quite small
west cloak
If that’s who you’re thinking of
devout burrow
and your range is good enough to restrict options
river token
Problem is everything is so slow to come out that most buttons just beat Jason's... everything
west cloak
Yeah Jason kinda needs to parry against mashers or he just loses
river token
It's especially bad with stuff like Arya
river token
Yeah Jason kinda needs to parry against mashers or he just loses
Which REALLY sucks
oak crane
Jason was an amazing inclusion and it makes me want more Horror representation with
Freddy Krueger and Michael Myers
oak crane
Myers isn't a WB IP
3rd party fighters are possible
river token
3rd party fighters are possible
Yeah, but I wouldn't anticipate getting any of them anytime soon.
river token
We'll probably only see 3rd party stuff once the huge list of likely WB IP stuff starts running dry
haughty gazelle
3rd party fighters are possible
I also doubt it with how much IP is under WB
river token
If the game lives that long
haughty gazelle
They could add Mortal Kombat before that
devout burrow
Yeah Jason kinda needs to parry against mashers or he just loses
parry is a very good equalizer when you hit like a freight train
spiral pewter
And I definitely learned a lot
river token
They could add Mortal Kombat before that
I genuinely would love a MK rep
oak crane
They could add Mortal Kombat before that
True, because they own the rights and Scorpion would be 🔥
river token
But I really specifically want Freddy and Ash lmao
haughty gazelle
Same especially when Wonder Woman is trying to be Scorpion with some of her lines
river token
I don't think so
river token
He's not as completely bereft of use as Velma is for example, but he's not close to good
haughty gazelle
not yet
I doubt miramax is going to get rid of Halloween so soon they just obtained it last October
turbid lichen
they def will go with more horror stuff, they dont have horror as a whole rift theme for nothing
grand tangle
I feel like I'm a punching bag that won't die when I'm playing Jason
west cloak
Basically yeah
Jason I think Jason is the second heaviest character behind Iron Giant
And he’s big
grand tangle
Really sucks though cause most matches I can't do ANYTHING
west cloak
Yeah he’s basically the Ganondorf of Multiversus
Big, slow movement, slow frame data, but hits really hard
elfin fossil
It's very funny when the enemy team decides I'm not a threat and focuses my partner in 2v2, because then I get in, and give them a harsh remainder of who Jason Voorhees is.
It's a great way to get Double Ring outs
west cloak
I was playing doubles as Shaggy with a Jason as my teammate. He was getting rushed down, so I’d come in to save him and he’d be able to team combo off my save
civic coral
why are jason's signature perks so bad
knotty knoll
why are jason's signature perks so bad
lol true, the generic perk is more worthy than both his signatures perks
elfin fossil
I really like his Teleports Behind you Perk even if it is just giving the opponent free hits (seriously, dodge frames on exit), but his resurrectionist perk, while flavorful, is... Underwhelming
ocean vale
one problem i started to notice is his hurtbox on whiff
I SWEAR the machete has a hurtbox along side the bed
both his jabs / up tilt / sair all have some long ass hurtboxes everytime
you would think stuff like his weapons would be disjointed or at the very least his machete
elfin fossil
I SWEAR the machete has a hurtbox along side the bed
It does, as does the axe
I've up specialed a charging horse Jake and he gets hit out of horse but I get hit out of grabbing him
visual sail
Everyday this characters gets worse and wrose lol
His hurtbox is so big people are landing attacks going in the wrong direction
Literally a meat puppet for combo videos
ocean vale
i don't mind it he's a combo sponge, the guy is big
what is bothering is some interactions
picture this:
- Bugs Side Helicopter
- I wait out of its range (about to stop pretty much)
- i do Sair from TIP RANGE... Jason gets interrupted
like... i'm literally FULL SWING, how was that not even a trade ?!
visual sail
And it feels like I still die at 100 like im a light character
I mean ill keep playing him till level 10 but hes not very good
But fun to play
ocean vale
nah jason is heavier but there are moves that just straight up spike you really hard
but it's the usual suspect characters and it depends on the stage blast zones
he ain't Iron Giant weight that's for sure but he can survive a couple of times over 100 unless it's the usual suspects or ur close to the blast zone
... max i got was around 270 but it was the game of thrones stage xD
cursive kernel
civic coral
is there any recorded instance where jason is seen escaping a joker ladder combo?
OOOOOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEEEAH BABY
I JUST MADE A BANANA GUARD RQ AS JASON
FEELS SO GOOOD
tender ravine
I JUST MADE A BANANA GUARD RQ AS JASON
Congratulations
tulip plaza
I've made a couple finns rage quit as jason
but a banana guard, thats amazing heh