Banana Guard

[buoyant vigil]

its hidden

[echo valley]

PFG nuke this character

[buoyant vigil]

Just dodge his side special wym

[echo valley]

He has more than one attack

[hallow apex]

NGL so much of Banana Guard hate feels like people with a case of Skissue. See BG Side Special on the ground? Jump and dodge. afaik they can't cancel out of it.

[echo valley]

The issue is he wins basically every single close range competition

It's practically impossible to contest him

[hallow apex]

BG is absolutely amazing on ground but as soon as he's in air from any kind of hit, hes useless. Best move he has for getting out of air is side special with down DI which can be easily read and have him put back into combos. Not to mention his Air Down Special is absolute cheeks

[neon mist]

banana guard kills at 55

please nerf banana guard

[hallow apex]

and? get better, learn how your opponent plays BG, most do side special, so just jump and dodge out of the way.

Theres better ways of playing against another opponent than just complaining about how they need to be nerfed. Almost every character is lethal in their own right. It's up to the players skill whether or not they can come back, learn and adapt

[static marsh]

i see what you are saying, but defending a character like this also doesnt do anything good

banana guard has an objective advantage on most of the cast

[median rose]

Anyone mind sending me some spicy gameplay footage of full rounds of this character? I wanna see what y'all cookin

[static marsh]

and while you can win with nearly every character, against every character, it can be frustrating to have to play against an objectively better character

[hallow apex]

Yes, but that's how you improve at a game like this. While BG has his perks, nearly any character faster, or one with range can easily smush BG

[static marsh]

i wouldnt know as i play jason

jason v banana guard is arguably one of his worst matchups

he can basically put out the same damage while being smaller and faster

which is just not how balancing works tbh

has the same or more kill potential

[hallow apex]

Completely agree, Jason is a worse close up fighter compared to BG, but even im willing to accept a loss against a Jason if he's just a better player.

I agree that BG is strong and should be tuned down a bit, but that doesn't excuse peoples skill when they cant figure out how to dodge a grounded side special

[heavy shell]

Uhhhhh, no?
He's not bad on air, not at all, sair and upair are broken af, any of that attack can win over so many interactions, specially because upair is a multihit, catches your dodges and sair can kill you if you are at 50+

The only three characters that probably have a easy time against him are wonder woman, harley and shaggy

[hallow apex]

Why do you think I specified when BG is the one getting hit? Still barely excuses players who can't handle losing to a funny yellow guy

Only reason I brought this here in the first place is because im tired of seeing people with low skill complaining that a guy needs to be nerfed. And I mean skill as in their ability to adapt and overcome, not skill at a character.

[sacred arch]

Banana Guard is not nearly as busted as people believe

[heavy shell]

You open to 1v1? I wanna see your skill on any other character, just curious

[sacred arch]

His side air and side ground just need to be toned down a bit maybe

[ornate sparrow]

what if he never played another character and doesnt know how to play them?

[hallow apex]

Yeah, I aint gonna lie. Im a BG Main, used to be Garnet before they nerfed her hard, BG to me just feels closer to old Garnet

[sharp wharf]

Please count your days if you main him😭🙏

[hallow apex]

I just think he's fun, people not being able to beat him is skissue imo

[sacred arch]

Yeah they're definitely gonna destroy BG's bussy on the next patch, because newbs keep crying about him

[sharp wharf]

Ight bud

[sharp wharf]

Real but me personally I’d handle it

[ornate sparrow]

The main thing is that new players cant adapt and try to force their habits

[heavy shell]

Then I don't think that's general skill, I used to believe that I was so good and that everyone who didn't beat me was just a bad player but nope, it was that I was playing a broken character, bugs bunny on release was another thing

[sharp wharf]

Yip yap

[ornate sparrow]

Banana guard is just the typical noob/beginner destroyer every beat em up has

[hallow apex]

Whats your username? Im down for 1s, not to prove a point, but just cuz

[heavy shell]

DPRWINTERFALL
My main was killed too, if you want a dead main vs dead main

[hallow apex]

sure

[hallow apex]

Is morty your main?

[heavy shell]

Used to be, he's pretty much dead rn bcuz of dirt

[hallow apex]

If anything hes been buffed since beta

[heavy shell]

Nah, whip doesn't work, grannades into dirt doesn't work, he doesn't have any other kill move except up air, he pretty bad rn

[hallow apex]

factually wrong but ok, if you think he's bad then it's sort of proving my original point about the skissue between bad character and good player

[heavy shell]

If you say so, ggs

[hallow apex]

ggs

[frail rock]

Fix banana guard at least reduce knock back a lil and damage holy

[buoyant vigil]

this sounds like coping

in the same case most igs use the side cancel infinite

[ornate sparrow]

this sounds like skill issue

[buoyant vigil]

so if you get killed by that then get better?

[buoyant vigil]

I mean im down for a game

[ornate sparrow]

tomorrow

[hallow apex]

As a BG player, the amount of times I've done side special and the opponent just gives in and takes it is insane. All they need to do is jump and dodge around fr

[ornate sparrow]

Fr and they always try the same stuff (Tom and jerry tennis as example) That always gets punished with the side special

why are they trying to force the move if it got countered 3 times already with the same move

[buoyant vigil]

😂😂

It has a huge hitbox that is much larger then the animation

And the active frames last longer then the animation actually is

It sounds like you guys are just winning off of a currently broken move

[ornate sparrow]

I play every character to level 10 to find my main so he is only my main until he is level 10 so what do you mean

[ornate sparrow]

sounds like crying

[buoyant vigil]

Had to reply twice?

I mean it sounds like you just admitted it

Everyone knows his side special needs a nerf😂 you can abuse it until a balance update happens

I'm not crying I'm saying what people's thoughts are in general

@hallow apex you down for a game?

[ornate sparrow]

where?

[buoyant vigil]

By saying it sounds like crying

Usually people who say that are the ones abusing lol

[ornate sparrow]

Dont know i started playing him before he was called OP and just wanted to answare something toxic😅

And i never said the move wasnt really strong just that most people dont loose against it because its stron but because they dont adapt and want to force their habits so its more of a player than character fault

Like the Roller from inkling at the start of smah ultimate

[echo valley]

I guarantee if someone like Shaggy was killing at 55 you'd be begging for nerfs too

[ornate sparrow]

but without his buff banana doesnt kill at that low numbers

[echo valley]

Shaggy also wasn't killing that low without his buff in the beta but people were still begging for it to be nerfed because killing that early is just unfair

They were also begging for his side b to be nerfed which I always found funny since that was one of his worst moves

[ornate sparrow]

yeah but it isnt the side B but the buff thats so extremly strong on banana so why is everyone complaining about the side B but not the buff?

[echo valley]

The same went for Shaggy in the beta

It's because most of the community is casual

More used move = More broken, obviously

[ornate sparrow]

i know i experienced it but i dont understand why they hate the wrong thing

[buoyant vigil]

the move is still nuts without the buff lol

[ornate sparrow]

The side special is strong no question but the buff is worse

[buoyant vigil]

the poor guy I just played 2 matches ago literally only used side special and sair and up

idk if they even knew banana had more moves loll

[ornate sparrow]

with buff it kills at 60 on the sides and 80/90 on the map but without its more like 120%

neutral, Neutral down, Neutral up, neutral air, side special, neutral special are the moves you need the most the rest is situational

[wintry vine]

even without buff side b is actually insane

I can't think of anything stronger than it besides max range superman side b

and shaggy up b that's it

[topaz fiber]

also the buffs stacks

[dark lily]

how do you even use his down b

[teal dome]

What perks should i use for banana guard?

[gusty rune]

🧢

[calm fractal]

80% of banana players

[dawn cargo]

Played banana a bit i didnt encounter any glitches or infinite combos

any of you have the same experiance

[echo valley]

You fellas know you have more than 3 attacks, right?

[gloomy crag]

We got any combos or kill confirms ?

[gloomy crag]

Yeah ! We have up tilt side air neutral air and side B ! That’s it though right ?

[echo valley]

Real

[gloomy crag]

No way does it really 😂

[gloomy crag]

Learn to parry, it’s very telegraphed

[buoyant vigil]

parry inconsisten rn with input lag

[gloomy crag]

Is there an input lag issue ?

I haven’t noticed anything severe

[buoyant vigil]

oh lor

yeah current input lag is 30 frames

which is massive

[gloomy crag]

lol no it isn’t

[buoyant vigil]

yes it is

🤣

[gloomy crag]

I think you’re talking about buffer

[buoyant vigil]

yeah

[gloomy crag]

That’s not input lag lol

[buoyant vigil]

so anything I press is late

[gloomy crag]

That’s not what buffer is

That’s for buffering your next move after an input

[buoyant vigil]

yeah and increases input lag the higher it is

and the game is set at 30 rn

which is crazy

[gloomy crag]

No, it doesn’t. It increases the window to buffer your next move after an attack the higher it is. It has nothing to do with input lag

In fact it makes the input lag ZERO for the buffered move, since it comes out the first frame possible

[buoyant vigil]

😐so when I press a move each time you saying it comes out immediately

[gloomy crag]

I’m sure there’s a few frames of input lag based on your connection but nothing that any other fighting game doesn’t have

It’s certainly not 30 frames 😆

[buoyant vigil]

Everywhere you can look it up it's 30 frames

[buoyant vigil]

https://x.com/sillintor/status/1796097347044213051

heres just one person

I could send loads of other people finding that it's 30

But it's alright, thankfully they are bringing the slider back

So it won't be like this for long

[gloomy crag]

Again, that is the BUFFER, which is what I just explained

[buoyant vigil]

And buffer still affects gameplay

[gloomy crag]

It has nothing to do with parrying

[copper edge]

They're talking about the buffer not delay

Completely different things but either one being that high is terrible

[gloomy crag]

Any banana guard kill confirms ?

Jab jab > uptilt at high % I imagine ?

[gloomy orchid]

I ain’t gonna lie a part of me suspects that after they finished designing this character they then decided to double his damage output for every single move at the last second as a joke. like if every move did half the damage it currently does he’d still be at least better than Taz

[gloomy crag]

Skill issue detected

[gloomy orchid]

Just cause I don’t enjoy having to win neutral 10 times to make up for a single randy side B doesn’t mean I can’t do it.

[gloomy crag]

Needs to win neutral 10 times to make up for getting hit by an extremely telegraphed 15 damage move ? Skill issue confirmed

[thorny zodiac]

Be honest are y'all playing him cause you like him or cause he's busted

I mean he is really fun

But I feel like he will be nerfed

[gloomy crag]

He’s a noob killer,
His power will go down when people skill up their spacing, whiff punish, and parry game

His disjoints body mashers so you’ll get a lot of mashers crying

[thorny zodiac]

I feel like another thing is that he's just new people are yet to figure out his counters

[gloomy crag]

Yeah exactly, his counters are spacing whiff punish and parrying

Extremely telegraphed character with limited options, they are just strong options against mashers

The amount of people who claim to prefer the pace in beta vs now tells me there’s a ton of mashers out there who don’t know how to play neutral

[echo valley]

BG mains are pretty character carried tbh

He deals really high damage and knockback and his moves have really long safe hitboxes

He's gonna out-melee basically the entire cast except maybe Jake

And he can buff his damage output too

[thorny zodiac]

The Caseoh banana guard clip was really funny

[neon mist]

YOU TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF PLAYING THIS CHARACTER

[gloomy crag]

I’d specify that to say that it’s more so BG is carried by poor counterplay from matchup inexperience and lack of patience than the strength of his kit

[gloomy crag]

His neutral is very committal, has limited options, and is telegraphed.
He’s easy to play but hard to play against which makes him strong in early meta. But against patient players who know how to parry and or whiff punish he’s not going to be that great I don’t think

[echo valley]

Nah BG has a really straightforward kit, avoiding it is easy but actually getting into him is tough

[north zenith]

ay check #clips

[echo valley]

He doesn't seem to have much whiff to punish and his attacks are all super safe

[gloomy crag]

Gotta approach from jump

[echo valley]

Parrying is pretty tough
I thought I could do it on reaction but the input delay is an issue

[gloomy crag]

His side B is ofc extremely punishable. His jab you gotta jump over it to punish because low end lag, his fair is tough to punish but it has less range

[gloomy crag]

Yeah I haven’t even really seen the top players in tournaments make much use of it, possibly too high risk for online (because as you mentioned inconsistent input delay), possibly just need more time to get timings down consistently

I imagine they will nerf his kill power tho

[echo valley]

Probably

It's for the best

He kills insanely early

He can kill at like 60 on some characters

[topaz fiber]

I did 3 times and killed someone at around 20 or 30

[gloomy crag]

Banana guards down B is literally just another taunt

[buoyant vigil]

Banana guard is so degen lol

Even worse in 2s

This dude has used 3 moves total all 2 matches

[neon mist]

the problem with banana guard

he just does too much damage

thats the thing

i should not go from zero to 50 in 4 seconds

[copper edge]

yeah

Nerfing his damage would make him more bearable to deal with

[neon mist]

off 3 under 25 frame moves

and with his awful hitboxes on his specials and up tilt

up tilt should not be a kill move 4 banana

[gloomy crag]

You couldn’t figure out how to counterplay someone only using 3 moves ????

Major skill issues detected

[buoyant vigil]

you do know 2s is also 2 other people right

since the game isnt personal ringouts not much I can do about that

[gloomy crag]

Find a better duo partner

[buoyant vigil]

yeah lemme ask the servers to whip one up

[gloomy crag]

Or you know, find one yourself

[neon mist]

when their hitbox is twice the size of their move and has no whiff YES

AND the move's hitbox lasts longer than usual can be very confusing

[rustic patio]

Anyone else kinda offput by the fact banana guard exists. Like i know this isnt meant to be a super serious game but lore wise in game and in the show he is literally one of the worst character they could have picked from adventure time. Like so many other cool options they could have picked (Marceline, peppermint butler, Hutson abider, glob, betty, ice king, bubblegum, magic man, lsp ect.) but instead they went with a character that has no relevance in the show and is canonically known for being terrible at fighting and completely useless. It would have made so much more sense to have PB summon them like rick does. I know that most characters cannon to their show is shotty at best but creatively it makes zero sense to add them of all characters from adventure time.

[neon mist]

some people have theorized about him being a scrapped PVE thing

[frigid venture]

Fax

[rustic patio]

Yeah it would make sense either that or like i said about pb he could have been in her move kit but she may have been scrapped for being out of budget or something leaving them to repurpose him. Could explain why his hits are so strong if he wasn’t really meant to be a playable and was instead meant to be like a special or stage obstacle

[echo valley]

He got added because they already had the model so they decided to just reuse it

They're lazy

[ornate sparrow]

I understand the point but there needs to be one out of place/goofy character in every game...

ofc his strenght shouldnt be out of place and be balanced

[neon mist]

some people have said it's a different model though

i cant be certain if it really is or not though

[echo valley]

I can though

[rustic patio]

We already had lebron he filled that role. And its not even like hes goofy hes a species of candy people not even a specific character. If they wanted to do one from adventure time i feel like cinnamon bun could have been cool and used the exact same concept and even move set quite frankly

[echo valley]

I have a photographic memory

It is the same model

They just reused a model and gave it some more animations

Made it bigger, too but they did that with everyone

[frigid venture]

So r they adding princess bubble gum

[rustic patio]

No cuz shes gay now and that would be a nono

[ornate sparrow]

i never watched adventure time so i dont know but Cinnamon bun looks like a random character too

[frigid venture]

Thought she was wit fin

[rustic patio]

Finns a minor and shes like 1 million years old

[frigid venture]

Oh ok

[echo valley]

Wish I were Finn

[frigid venture]

Lmao

Fin aged by the end tho

[rustic patio]

He was kinda but thats the point he was at least a unique character that imo is iconic still for adventure time fans

[rustic patio]

Like 90% sure he was 14 through the entire series even in the final episode i think at best he was 16

[frigid venture]

Tbh they ruined adventure time with the whole space and end of the world bs

[neon mist]

many such cases

a lot of things ruined adventure time

[ornate sparrow]

But why is he in the game and princess bubblegum or the Flame princess(i think she is a princess) arent even i know them

[neon mist]

just too much autism and fan service going off at once

[rustic patio]

Anyways in the new show minor spoiler||she is cannonically with marceline||

[frigid venture]

Ah ok

Aint boutta watch that it got ruined but now i know

They gotta add merciline dad

Hes tuff

His demon form

[rustic patio]

Peppermint butler would be sick he like worships the devil and knows black magic

Anyways point is I would prefer literally any other relevant character in the show over this clown💀

Gumball gaurdians when

Actually wait wb owns regular shows ip too right? Benson with a gumball gaurdian skin when

[ornate sparrow]

What about the flame princess? I think she would be really cool in the game and could have a cool moveset

[frigid venture]

They should holla at lego group and add ninjago characters

Wouldnt that be sum

Already expecting ninja turtles since they wb

[ornate sparrow]

if they add all 4 turtles it would be really lame

[frigid venture]

How

They all got diff weapons

They could be one character but different variants

4 variants wit 4 diff move sets

[ornate sparrow]

yeah one character would be ok but not 4

[frigid venture]

Why not all 4

😂

Would be wrong jus to add leo

[rustic patio]

It would make since to just add one lore wise tbh

[ornate sparrow]

If they release all 4 at the same time i have no prob with that

[rustic patio]

Like when they summon them from the rift they probably wouldn’t summon the whole team just one likely the leader(can’t remember which ine that was)

[ornate sparrow]

just add master splinter

[frigid venture]

Not tryna play as a rat fr

Add shredder

Mf does nothing the entire show why splinter

[ornate sparrow]

splinter cooler than all 4 turtles

[frigid venture]

You havnt seen when they evolved

?

They got more poweful then splinter

By the end of the series

Mfs were serious

[ornate sparrow]

but imagine they add ninjago and you can play splinter vs Wu

[frigid venture]

Bro

That would slap

Spam tornado

[ornate sparrow]

Shredder would be epic too

[frigid venture]

Ninja spin!

But yea they gotta add ninjago, turtles, mortal kombat characters and obv get rights to goku

[rustic patio]

They have the rights to power rangers now too dont they?

[frigid venture]

Oh that would go hard

Samurai da best

[ornate sparrow]

im glad the Power puff girls are confirmed even tho i dont like the series they probably gonna be really fun to play

and i kinda want a Mage Willy Wonka

[frigid venture]

They needa add the rowdy ruff boys if they add power puff girls

They was on demon time

[ornate sparrow]

prob only as 20 bucks skin

[frigid venture]

That cud work

[ornate sparrow]

They can bring so many unique and cool characters and what do they bring.... A random banana guard and Lebron

[crystal lynx]

What a time to be alive

[gloomy crag]

It’s joke character bro relax
It’s like how smash added pirana plant as a DLC

[coarse gate]

Well bg nerfs incoming

[white plank]

Actually?

[coarse gate]

Nah idk 😭😭

[white plank]

Oh Ight I was about say 😂

[ornate sparrow]

they have to nerf him when rank drops

[echo valley]

At some point, hopefully

He should not be able to kill at 50% from basically anywhere on the stage and his attacks should not be impossible to beat without constant projectiles

[twin wasp]

you don't always need projectiles

[echo valley]

Very few melee attacks will ever beat Banana Guards attacks

[twin wasp]

i mean joker neutral special

works best against banana gaurd

[echo valley]

Pretty sure its classified as a projectile

[twin wasp]

you don't shoot anything??

[echo valley]

You shoot a purple liquid out of a flower

[ornate sparrow]

isnt the liquid the air neutral special

[twin wasp]

i am talking neutral special on the ground

[twin wasp]

ye

[echo valley]

Ah that I dont really use the grounded specials aside from side b tbh

They're all really niche

[twin wasp]

i almost never have a use for side b

idk when to use

it

[echo valley]

Its one of his best kill confirms and an okay edge guard tool

Jab > jab > side b is true I believe

[twin wasp]

oh

what % does it kill at?

[echo valley]

Not sure, decently high though

Probably better to use utilt

Also true combo'd into from jab

But the absolute best kill move is his jokers wild card but its inconsistent

[twin wasp]

i see

[low hazel]

Is Banana guard the only bruiser without a projectile? Just had a bad time fighting one with Marvin 🗣️

[buoyant vigil]

he is supposed to make people think this exact thing

he is a joke character pretty much

[static marsh]

I agree I would rather have Marceline or PB or even Ice King

[rustic patio]

I get it that its supposed to be funny its just kinda meh when the roster is already small and has “joke characters “ already. Just seems like a waste of resources

[neon mist]

thats because smash makes millions of dollars and nintendo is a near billion dollar company

they can afford to make a funny charming character with soul and references

banana guard is an actual sack of horseshit

and the fact that he is a launch character unlike someone like jack or PPGs

PFG shouldn’t be doing that

they can’t afford adding a joke character the first patch

[copper edge]

Nakat made a video on how to beat this guy https://youtu.be/CMgSwetHtPA?si=m0B84bmJQzOKS59n

[crystal lynx]

"Hello"

[hollow prawn]

some banan combo ?

[buoyant vigil]

Side special side special side special side special side special side special

[ornate sparrow]

wrong

Side special side special buff

[buoyant vigil]

Oh facts

Forgot the buff

And maybe throw some sairs in

[ornate sparrow]

buff sair sair side special side special is also a "great combo"

[hollow prawn]

banana guard is the worst character he has 0 COMBO Joker infinite combo Harley infinite combo so unfair$

[frigid venture]

Might not have combos but he gets priority everytime

[weak vortex]

I got my banana guard mmr so high I got matched in lobbies with my friend against mirrorman and G3

[neon mist]

BANANA GUARD CHARGE KILLS JASON AT 70

[dreamy atlas]

As a squire of the Potassium Defender, I am excited to stab people

[echo valley]

Balanced

[dapper void]

Yaayy :3

[dapper void]

Ooh

[dapper void]

They aren’t losing money though?

And he’s a free character

With pirhanna he was only free for a limited times

[dapper void]

You’re thinking way too deep about this

[worn rune]

Okay, buddy, chill out.

Nintendo made R.O.B and Game and Watch, and neither were "well-liked" characters before they showed up in Smash.

[azure salmon]

the lingering hitbox on his charge is absolutely ridiculous

and the fact that his stupid head counts as an active hitbox too is awful

banana guard's hitboxes are all so generous

[median rose]

Female banana guard has the same voice dub?

[upper heart]

https://youtu.be/60l4LgDEBns?si=P3_dGHGgjhOi6nCw&t=150

[leaden current]

It’s really weird

and the chest is so pixelated and jagged

[spiral widget]

Yeah he just pretends to be a girl like in the cartoon.

[median rose]

Jiggle physics when?

Jkjk

[mortal hornet]

Nothing you can do when this character uses his spear attack lmfao

[wet dune]

There's several spear attacks, gotta be more specific! 🤣

I find side-air (whichever the downward swipe is) is good, imo.

[mortal hornet]

Lmfao ur right

[wet dune]

While fully grounded, it's a little trickier to hit people, but sometimes you can do things like side-combo into spear-charge.

But general air-play, you can try to predict where a far aerial jab is gonna land or try to play it close and swipe 'em.

He's like Shaggy where the down-aerial special doesn't do anything on the way down, until it lands fully on the ground, and whiffing catching someone in the down-special on the ground kinda makes you a (rather whiney) sitting duck.

So I never really use that.

He's kind of a horizontal blast-zone character. I wish they brought those designators back from beta...

[static marsh]

i ginually hate this character

[plucky crystal]

Is it still possible to get the matrix skin. Like are they still releasing codes

[static marsh]

get him out of the game

[static marsh]

no they dont work

all expired

[gloomy crag]

Skill issue

[gloomy crag]

Excuse me sir you’re in the wrong channel. This channel is for god awful players with skill issues to complain about banana guard

[median rose]

Lol

People get very antsy tryna swing and get mad that they didn't wait for side specials years worth of endlag to try and punish it appropriately

It is INCREDIBLY active which I don't like when trying to navigate around it from offstage but I mean, howd I get offstage? Did I get hit? Interesting

[gloomy crag]

Yup

Bad players mad they can’t mash

[mortal hornet]

Yea he’s been out for a week and ppl still can’t do anything to that move especially since there’s no attack decay

Skill issue

[dreamy atlas]

Female Banana Guard mains are now here

[neon mist]

good perks for banana poop?

are his signatures worth it?

[plucky crystal]

Wait so is the free Matrix banana guard skin actually not available anymore because I just assumed that guy was trying to troll me 😭

Im sure it will be back for $20 in the near future but I’m talking about the free codes

[neon mist]

maybe i’m just a literally bad player, but banana guard feels super stubby

[foggy smelt]

easy solution: play a different character

[neon mist]

why is this channel dead

someone answer me

[plucky crystal]

I haven’t tried the ice crying but it doesn’t sound very good because there are better moves to use than crying. The anti projectile one could definitely be used but it’s situational. I typically just do the default 5% one

I would make a setup for playing against projectile characters then a setup for damage

[pulsar isle]

No more codes, yes. It's currently unavailable but likely will be to in the shop eventually

[tawny badger]

dang no jiggle phsx on BG is unforgivalbe

[wet dune]

Of the Matrix skin stuff, maybe they'll re-release the other skins (Jake, Superman, Wonderwoman, Jason, Banana Guard, etc.), but based off the wording of the Agent Smith event, only Smith's sounds like it won't be coming back.

[obtuse meteor]

i run the projectile shield bc i used it exactly once to block a projectile

and constantly run after that high of using it like that again

[dapper void]

Damn, gonna have to level up my gems somehow

[frigid hinge]

You might be a bad player. BG has really solid range on his attacks.

[echo valley]

P2w !! Yippee!!

[wet dune]

Finishing this side-note, here's hoping it isn't going to remain atrociously slow to get more Rifts and difficulties unlocked before Smith's event is over with. Banana Guard is the only one not in that event's track though.

[quasi meteor]

buff banana guard so he doesnt spam one attack

[leaden current]

Real

[neon mist]

later after this post i actually got a lot better with him

i learned the method

[pseudo lichen]

He's a joke character

Why is he actually not bad

[static marsh]

57% winrate with a 8% pickrate is absolutely disgusting

i also think its pretts disingenous to just talk about his sideb

sure its lasts for a long time but anybody with 2 braincells figured out how to punish it after day 1 or 2

its just his overall kit being extremly powerful

he hits as hard as a heavy while not actually being one, his range is fantastic and he is extremly simple so basically anyone can pick him up and win online

imo his chargeup should take longer so he doesnt just get it for free after every stock

maybe tune his knockback down a little

[echo valley]

Gut Banana Guard so he cant spam one attack

[wide ermine]

sheesh if he hits you with side special and you are 100 or higher

you go flying its fascinating

[weak vortex]

Where are you finding win rates and all those stats?

[static marsh]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/insights?mode=2

there everything is listed

[weak vortex]

Ah found it I didn't know they had that section

Wtf going on with lebron with the lowest win rate in 1's lmao

Everyone said he was so good in their tier lists but hes in the garbage tier in both of these

[static marsh]

where did you hear that 💀

afaik nobody said hes good

everyone put him really low

[weak vortex]

Not true at all when game was released everyone was posting clips of him getting people stuck in his bouncing balls and put him in s tier. The earlier ones

[static marsh]

well thats just a single infinite he can do with a lot of preperation

its not like iron giant where he needs to hit one move that has a big hitbox to begin with

besides that infinite hes dog

[weak vortex]

void put him in strong in his last video yesterday and had him in A tier day 1

[static marsh]

void is kinda smoking tho im ngl

i like void but i dont think ive ever disagreed more with any of his lists

in any game tbh

[weak vortex]

Now that I am looking I cannot find one where he is lower than high tier or strong lol but stats clearly show he is bad

[static marsh]

well most importantly we know a general direction most characters belong in

and boy can i not wait for patch notes

[sullen abyss]

Anyone that uses this guy touch yourself

[static marsh]

i would be surprised if they release the top dog challenge without a balance patch

[static marsh]

true

[silver matrix]

this !

[polar lion]

banana guard is the new shaggy

shaggy not enough rn

[echo valley]

Banana Guard is the new noob killer sure, but Shaggy is a WAY stronger character rn

BG is a real nuisance I wont lie

But he's really overrated

He's not as strong as mfs claim

Definitely high A to low S though

[velvet hamlet]

Nah your definitely on sum if you master him you can kill someone in seconds even if their good at the game

[echo valley]

Shaggy is still better

Shaggy can do the same

Except even easier because he has a loop that guarantees everyone gets into his kill range

[heavy shell]

Yeah basically banana guard is shaggy but easier and a little bit weaker

[unreal cairn]

Does anything override his side special? I play against them a ton and no matter what attack I use it seems to get overridden by the side special... Not complaining just curious... Switched to him to feel what the side special feels like, and it feels pretty invincible as long as you space it well

I've just been dodging up and over it when I can, and kind of gave up on trying to use attacks on them when they're running like that since they always seem to win that game of chicken

[weak vortex]

Wonder woman shield beats side special

[frozen oyster]

Banana Guard is the Piranha Plant of Multiversus

[weak vortex]

Gizmo arrows

[neon mist]

guys

i think harley might counter banana guard

[wide ermine]

i dont remember piranha being this strong thought

[floral oyster]

Buff banana guard

[static marsh]

finally a banana nerf

sure as hell isnt gonna be the last one

[magic charm]

LETS GO

[zenith mason]

wait did he only get nerfed by 2 damage and not knockback? or is that a typo in the patch notes lol

[little hornet]

i just wanted to ask

is2 dmg nerf big in multiversus?

it sounds like nothing but idk

[zenith mason]

it will help a tiny bit, but i don't think substantially tbh

[little hornet]

so he is still the best char gotcha

[zenith mason]

damage will affect knockback, but i dont think by enough to really make him truly be less deadly

[static marsh]

well, no patch notes will ever be groundbreaking

they wont catapult an s tier character to c tier or smth, but they will make an impact

and this is likely just the beginning since they wanna know what works and what doesnt

[frigid hinge]

Wow a reasonable take on patching instead of "nerf everyone except my character into the ground"

[rain current]

It doesn't really feel like he's gotten nerfed at all, he still gets high percent quickly with very little effort.

[dull thunder]

reduced by 2

LOL

[dull thunder]

yuuup

my thoughts exactly

[buoyant vigil]

It's a safe balance update

Nerfs and buffs will barely be noticeable

[rain current]

So pointless, then.

[buoyant vigil]

I mean 2 damage is 2 damage

It will definitely change games but not greatly

[quaint edge]

I want this guy peeled and eaten

[lusty glade]

First valid take

[worn palm]

children play this character

[sleek birch]

Not a banana guard player but I want to come in to ask if you guys could feel any difference in his kill power

Because I felt nothing change when I was fighting him

[gloomy crag]

Not really, he’s easy to play so his numbers will be inflated early in the meta

[gloomy crag]

Exactly

[quaint edge]

I want this banana GONE

[static marsh]

no man, it def is. you do not have that high of a winrate just because a character is easy to play

iron giant only had a 4% higher winrate and he was so broken that he literally had to be removed for some time

57% is not ok

54% is already very very strong, 57% is outright insane

[gloomy crag]

Nah, skill issue

[static marsh]

right

why not play a character that actually takes skill next time

[static marsh]

Did they only nerf the damage on his side b or did the knock back change as Well?

[obtuse meteor]

just damage

[static marsh]

Man

[rain current]

My only hope is that next patch they do a nerf that actually means something.

[jaunty pasture]

Js got my ass handed to me by one of you ppl

[wet dune]

Rick knows your pain.

[quaint edge]

The changes to the damage did like

Nothing

Lowering damage won't stop people from spamming a fast attack with a big hitbox and high knockback

If they really want to do a super safe nerfs to easily spammable moves

Just bring back attack decay

[wet dune]

"Holy s---, starting to realize why the Candy Kingdom has been around so long!" --Rick respawning from a Banana Guard KOing him (with Mature Language toggled on).

And yeah, I noticed that Attack Decay just... doesn't seem to happen.

I liked it. It tells you to mix things up a little.

[quaint edge]

It got removed

Dunno why

[tawdry sleet]

"nerfs" did nothing on a 11 game win streak

[rain current]

I've heard mixed anwers on that, some claim decay is still here just less so.

But it needs to be turned back up, because as it stands there's no discouragement from spamming.

[obtuse meteor]

its still in the game it just only decreases damage

[rain current]

It was better when it also decreased knockback.

[echo valley]

Why are you guys all so toxic? I'll never understand whats with you people and always being toxic while playing the strongest character in the game

[robust viper]

current best perks for banana?

i wonder

[median rose]

He at least has solid kill power and stray hit DMG. Sair does quite a lot as a standalone

Just 3 of em and the opponent is at 50

But ye, you have to make reads or stick to jab>uptilt I find a lot of the time

[verbal acorn]

opp

[thick latch]

I wish his perks were better, they are pretty useless

[median rose]

The cry perk, yes
The shield vs projectiles is useful ish
Other than the projectile shield itself, you can press down to descend during the charge which can be useful for actually getting the charge completed since it doesn't interrupt the buff whilst moving you away from threats if the opponent isn't ready for it

[fluid frost]

this character feels ez. like a level under recommended lol

[echo valley]

Because he is

He has the most basic kit in the game yet its insanely overpowered

Killing at 50% from anywhere on the stage, very balanced and fair

[low girder]

Is it just me or does this character have literally 0 true combos outside of side tilt -> up tilt?

[north zenith]

Yep

[fluid frost]

banana guard complaining about the other bananas not seeing what they did when they're teamed up with another banana guard is kinda weird

[rain current]

It wouldn't be so bad if they turned down the damage and knockback on most of the kit by like 15.

The moves themselves aren't the real problem, it's how much they do for so little risk or effort.

[cedar rune]

hard agree

i enjoy the character and how basic he is but the reward is far too high

[echo valley]

He doesn't need combos

He's essentially a stronger Shaggy

High damage, high knockback, no combos

Designed to be brain dead so little kids can feel like they're good at the game by spamming 2 buttons

[cedar rune]

crazy how good his recovery is too

one of my favorite plays is just hold grounded neutral move

theyll wait for you to finish

go in to punish the whiff

you just press it again and hit it uncharged for free

[echo valley]

They should give BG whiff frames instead of making all his attacks just instantly cancelable

[rain current]

You either get to be reach or high impact, both feels excessive.

[polar carbon]

can anyone help me with a good perk set for banana guard?

[echo valley]

Why?

He doesn't need perks

He does over 12 damage with his weakest attack and kills at 50%

[polar carbon]

Because why not lol

Make him more broken🤷‍♂️

[echo valley]

Perks are all personal preference in this game anyways

[polar carbon]

Oh ok

[echo valley]

Unless there's a signature that's just useless, none of it matters

There are a few perks that you can't use depending on character/preferred game mode but it's all otherwise meaningless

[polar carbon]

Oh alright

Thanks then

How would you kill someone at 50?

Just like a full charge X attack?

[cedar rune]

yeah seriously he needs to be toned down

whenever im spamming any other character he feels so overwhelming

b.g. players just have to try the least out of any other character

[rain current]

It's kind of funny they openly acknowledged the problem... and then only toned the worst move down by a whopping two points of damage.

I think they want to give him the chance to be a new player's power fantasy for a little longer and eventually they'll tone him down properly as the roster fills out more.

If the game lasts long enough It'll be one of those things where we look back and go "Remember when Banana Guard was broken?"

[buoyant vigil]

My theory is that they went with a very safe balance patch considering characters who needed nerfs got them in the smallest amount and they barely buffed any characters. Along with this I doubt they did any actual play testing because of all the problems going on with the game

[orchid bough]

lowkey

give this man tippers

and now he got stuff you can actually experiment with

rn as he is, banana guard takes almost 0 skill

[potent vine]

Yeah played a couple games to test and dodging and side special is just cracked and no one can beat it apparently

[rain current]

Exactly! Even just making the side special's hitbox just the spear itself and not a huge cone in front of him would make it easier to deal with.

Though realistically they'd be more likely to just tone down the numbers.

[unreal cairn]

and when someone does have skill and they play him it's rough to be up against lol, I got rocked by a Banana Gaurd Morty combo the other day, Morty was popping off and Banana was watching his back

[median rose]

A lot of this game needs work fr
The top tiers either need actually meaningful nerfs or everyone else needs substantial enough buffs to make them similarly viable

[orchid bough]

just tone the top tiers down and buff other characters and keep the cycle going and balance is all good

like Banana Guard is an easy character to balance cuz its easy to identify whats strong about him

(his absurd kill power)

tone that down a bit, give him tippers so he actually has a meaningful skill ceiling and now hes got some sauce

some characters like harley are a bit harder to balance cuz shes either really good or really bad

[median rose]

Other than Harley nair I'm cool with Harley having what she does if they bumped up the performances of the other characters so she can keep her play style identity

[jovial wind]

yall cant dodge the most telegraphed move in the game 😹

[median rose]

Telegraphed? What move are you talking about?

[echo valley]

You just might not know the meaning of that word

[grizzled abyss]

Banana Guard is way too easy to play

[dawn cargo]

Lol, if you use the search bar Ben 10 still has more results than Banana Guard.

[rain current]

I assume they're talking about the side special, but it doesn't matter if it's telegraphed. It's hitbox is a huge cone and there's no punishment for spamming it.

That's why people are saying it needs to be tippers, so that you have to actually know how to use reach to get the benefit instead of just swinginhg wildly and getting rewarded for it.

[buoyant vigil]

Committing the ultimate sin

Using bg

Need quick games for this event💀😭

Oh nah this is horrible😭

I feel like an awful human being

[buoyant vigil]

After 15 games of bg his side air honestly feels way more broken then the special

[rain current]

Like just in general it's hard to argue with the idea that he gets way too much damage racked up way too quickly for basically nothing.

Other characters have to properly combo to get what he gets on a single swing.

Usually hitting this hard requires being slow as a tradeoff but he's not.

[buoyant vigil]

This is the fastest 20 games ever

[mystic lion]

nanner op plaese nerf

[weak vortex]

I broke my banana guard hidden mmr on his release I go against evo champs whenever I use him anymore😂

And every decent player knows how to counter him now so I just get clapped and tbagged for using an easy ass op character

[worldly skiff]

If you play banana guard I'm going to castrate you

[worldly skiff]

And you are.

[buoyant vigil]

😂

[spring marsh]

I hate this abomination of a playable character

[rain current]

Again I'm pretty sure as they fill the roster out they'll tone him down, they just want a power fantasy character for newer users.

(That used to be Wonder Woman but the tutorial doesn't give her away now like it used to.)

[short tendon]

Any ideas on combos for banana guard that aren't just spam side specials? I think he's fun and I use him when I need a bruiser, I haven't even touched his custom set because idk what would be good

[unreal cairn]

The ice tears are nice, as far as combos go getting either pumped up or hitting them with tears is good followed by almost any combo string, I like to chase his neutral attack with up airs or really anything, or to try and charge a grounded up attack, right as someone is rushing down, to launch them, then give chase again… the side special is good at edge guarding but you don’t have to use it if your teammates are good you probably have enough room to use most of your toolkit and can get away with being more creative... if anything waiting to use the side special is good, especially if you can make them kind of forget you have it and catch both teammates in it at the same time

[still latch]

me and my friend yesterday were feeling a little silly and decided to do double banana guard only sidespecial spamming,won 2 matches in a row just to loose 3 third one because there was a black adam countering us with lightning lmao

[unreal cairn]

lol ooooh so you’re the ones

I’ve heard tales

[short tendon]

I wonder if I was one of those yesterday...

[potent vine]

Banana Guard balance suggestions:
Side special ground/aerial:

• reduce kb and dmg of move
  Sair:
• reduce kb
  Grounded down special:
• make it so you can cancel it into other attacks cause it funny

Feel free to discuss

[fluid frost]

pickle rick is absolutely happening

instead of hearing hello every time you start a match its gonna be "im pickle rick" and then the game dies

[leaden current]

There was a pickle Rick skin in the beta

[rain current]

I do think it's funny they're so against the idea of nerfing Banana Guard this soon even though he needs it because they breezed right past him with one little tweak while the other problem characters got actual writeups. x3

[ruby parcel]

f-air still hasn’t gotten nerfed

absolute insanity

[static marsh]

The devs are actually idiots 😭

[rain current]

There's no way they don't know he's an issue. They just want him to be the new hotness until they start releasing more characters.

[pure mural]

All they literally gotta do is nerf his knockback on his spam moves

[rain current]

Yeah, but that would remove the point of their fun free tutorial character. People only use him because of how effortless he is.

[twin wasp]

it got it's dmg reduced?

[ruby parcel]

That was air side special

[real apex]

PFG crafting the most useless dogshit down special in existence for the character they put 20 minutes of development time into 🧑‍🍳

[potent vine]

Yeah like the move would be sick if you can cancel it into moves for combos and such

[twin wasp]

oh

[frigid hinge]

I hope people realize that nerfing sair and side special too much will make him move from A tier to D tier really fast, since they are really his only reliable kill moves. Gradual nerfs while watching his win rate is definitely the way to go.

[rain current]

If that's all it takes to move him down that much, he probably should have always been that low and his moves were just too jacked up.

As he currently is everything is way too strong and effortless for him.

Nerfs that are so small they're basically not happening aren't going to fix anything.

[timber zinc]

What does Sair refer to

[obtuse meteor]

his swing to the side while in the air

[timber zinc]

ah

i see then

[echo valley]

This mf is WAY too easy to be this strong dawg 😭

[lunar kiln]

I played a joker last night, someone with a pvp gold badge, who knew actual combos and was definitely better then me
and it was still even cus I played banana guard lol

[unreal cairn]

Honestly I played him post nerfs and he feels fine… certainly not as overtuned as Joker imo… I think he’s kinda slow and predictable honestly, I tried him in 1s and he feels pretty weak to a lot of the other characters now if they know how to play at all and know his move set, which everyone does but idk… maaaybe he has something else that needs nerfed? Honestly I think there are characters that need changes more than him tho

[rain current]

It still just feels like he gets way too much damage for too little effort. Either he needs less damage/knockback or he needs to be slowed down to tank levels.

Far too much something for nothing.

If he wasn't reach on top of the damage that might be a different story, but he is.

[craggy bronze]

Any good techs for this character?
They really need to put up some pins in these channels, it's kinda hard to find good advice

[timber zinc]

Playing banana guard and realizing how many characters in the game have a butt slam-type of move as their down b

Banana Guard, Jake, Iron Giant

Probably are a few that I can't recall right now

[obtuse meteor]

I mean steven kinda does side he surfs his shield

[ruby parcel]

I’m pretty sure that move is just a copy of shaggys air down b

[lunar kiln]

you know bananas neutral grounded, that like swing with the spear that you can charge
does my pc suck or does that move lag the game for everyone else
its really weird

cus its really weird, I feel like the only character to have moves that lag my game is banana guard

[rain current]

I think that might be on your end, or at the very least not affecting everyone.

Did Jake's up special not lag for you before they fixed it?

[lunar kiln]

jake up special did lag for me before they fixed it yeah
but naturally they fixed that and it fine now, I guess there is just a banana guard thing to fix now

its such a weird move to have that issue too, its not like banana guard is doing anything crazy

[spiral widget]

Why does he have the lifting weights special it hurts him?

[echo valley]

BG is so balanced he should definitely kill me at 50% from anywhere on the map with a move safer than projectiles

[timber zinc]

meanwhile I cannot get BG to kill with his up-air at all

on the other hand im probably an idiot that is unable to optimize my BG gameplay

[echo valley]

Probably this
BG kills ridiculously early but it does seem like his uair is on the weaker side of these kill moves

Probably a horizontal fighter as opposed to vertical like someone like Batman

[timber zinc]

Oh yeah that's something I wanted to mention

You have to go out of your way to figure out if a character is considered a vertical or horizontal fighter

It doesn't show you if someone is vertical or horizontal until you go into their entire page

[white heron]

youre all losers

learn to do something besides spamming side attacks

[obtuse meteor]

hey we spam side air too

[white heron]

Accurate name

[obtuse meteor]

honestly i dont remember the last time i played BG online

[timber zinc]

"Sucking at something is the first step towards being sorta good at something." - JAKE THE DOG

[gilded loom]

Busted ass character

[quaint edge]

free win character

[toxic pond]

Anyone that mains this character deserves hell

[worn palm]

rework his whole kit.

pos character shouldnt exist

[upbeat shadow]

I need to know what are some of banana guards worst matchups?

[unreal cairn]

I mean it’s a little subjective but probably all of the s/a tier characters… so joker, ww, superman, steven, bugs, black adam… and a bunch of other characters are always dangerous if the person is playing them well like Batman

[echo valley]

Probably anyone capable of mass projectile spam, like Morty or T&J

His side b does destroy projectiles though

Which is stupid

Really stupid

[ruby parcel]

Wait what

that is insane

and stupid as hell

[echo valley]

Might just break small light projectiles

Pretty sure he's broken my Shaggy's sandwich, my Batman's batarang, and Jokers cards all while they were in the air with his side b

Which is ridiculous

Either that or some otherworldly force eradicated them

[obtuse meteor]

im not sure about steven, since BG has pretty insane reach compared to steven

and his stubby little arms

[upbeat shadow]

I’ve got a friend who mains Steven and he thinks Steven loses that MU

[echo valley]

Any of Stevens moves with a shield attached to it just beats every attack anyone throws for whatever reason

[upbeat shadow]

Was at a tournament today and watched that matchup extensively and I can tell you banana guard still has a lot of moves that beat out all of Stevens except for maybe full charge nair or projectiles

[unreal cairn]

I mean it depends on the person playing… I’ve seen Stevens that can melt everything in sight… so it comes down to the individual matchup at the end of the day… if you’re saying universally bg beats steven I don’t personally agree with that based on what I’ve seen in game… but that’s why i said it’s subjective… in my personal experience banana guard can most easily be beaten by other strong characters but out of all the ones I listed it may very well be possible that steven is the worst matchup out of those characters, but he’s still going to be better off than the rest of the roster that aren’t as strong as him.

[sleek pulsar]

Are there any combos to pull off for banana? I find myself in a side special crutch

[lunar kiln]

most characters have a jab,jab, into basically any other move, that might be a good start

[frigid hinge]

Banana Guard is probably the only character that doesn't have jab jab combos. I'd recommend not giving advice if you have no idea what you're talking about.

BG has very few true combos tho.

[buoyant vigil]

That is kinda how he is

Bg is a beginner character and doesn't really have any combos

[white heron]

and he still dosnt need them cause he's piss easy

if oyu wann be good as him just mash buttons. youll be carried regardless

you dont even need to try

[silver sonnet]

This chat is so dead in banana guard

[ruby parcel]

barely anyone actually likes this character

most people just complain

[timber zinc]

I've been watching adventure time for the first time so I've been playing him occasionally

And also because it helps me with getting my dailies done lol

[unreal cairn]

Yea honestly I think he really pissed people off for a minute there but he’s not the worst offender in my experience playing against him… and when I play as him I use all his moves, not just the one, so if I win I don’t feel bad about it

[ruby parcel]

I don’t think it’s really the character itself but the braindead stats he has that work

mainly f-air and side special spam

[timber zinc]

I don't even have the salt emote equpped

I just have the GG emote and a different taunt

Did you really come in here to complain

But anyway

Finn is pretty obnoxious to fight as banana guard

I really don't like the downward stab move

Especially on the edge

I mean you can up special but I don't know how safe that is

[echo valley]

Someones salty

[sleek pulsar]

I am salty too

give me that salt emote

[lunar kiln]

🧂evil and twisted banana🧂

[timber zinc]

PFG may have made a mistake adding the salt emote

[echo valley]

No it was a great choice encourage toxicity and casuals leaving the game!

[white heron]

not the banana player calling others casuals

you dont neeed to think with this character

he's as casual of a character as you get

[lunar kiln]

see what they should have done was make it a legendary sticker so you have to spend 20 bucks to get it
that'll send a totally different message then just it being salt

[timber zinc]

lol

yeah

No actually make it like 5000 gleamium for no reason

[lunar kiln]

either way you see someone use it, you know they spent like tons of money on it

[untold swift]

What I do is I use his Crying Attack as a Taunt since there's not much use to it with my playstyle

Makes it look like he's mocking you for losing lol

[lunar kiln]

there isn't much use to it in general I feel, right?
maybe there is some banger tech I don't know about

[untold swift]

It'd be a bit better if the last hit had more knockback since the frames after are so slow that if he ever DOES hit someone with it, he's likely going to get punished for it

Just so he's not getting punished every time

[lunar kiln]

like the ice perk seems like a fun idea to use, but you can't combo cry into anything really, at least I don't think so

[untold swift]

I haven't ever tested it out. I've always used his Projectile Armor on Neutral B perk, so that way I can't be camped by Projectile Spammers

They're FORCED to come closer

Although using one Custom Slot for the more Spammy Characters and having the Armored Strength and Reflect on Parry, and then another Custom Slot for Closeup attacks would be better

Also for a Bruiser, a lot of his attacks don't kill for a GOOD while

The best you can get is if you get a parry Up B close to blastzone because you were getting comboed

[timber zinc]

Did they do anything to bg

[lunar kiln]

they didn't say anything but the actual patch notes will likely come tomorrow

[unreal cairn]

The only thing I noticed with his crying is it hits from further away when you're not facing them, so I try to turn away from people before I activate it

[lunar kiln]

wack

[timber zinc]

I'm assuming bg is getting nerfed into the ground but I at least hope that crying won't be bad anymore lol

[echo valley]

I don't play BG 💀

Bros so salty about BG that he just thinks everyone plays him

[white heron]

Well in the BG chat yeah, I’d think so

This isn’t general

[echo valley]

Then that must mean you're a BG player, because you're in the BG chat

This isn't general

[white heron]

That not what I meant

[timber zinc]

No offense but a few people in these chats need to take a chill pill

We all want to enjoy the game

[unreal cairn]

lol a few? You wouldn’t believe how many people I’ve blocked so my thread isn’t full of mindless bickering

[heavy shell]

The only banana guard that has beat me in at least 40+ games against this character has been jmafia, I don't know how people get mad at this character lmao 😂

[carmine owl]

I love bg but they couldve chosen any other adventure time character but stuck with the nana

[timber zinc]

Why not Ice King

Get lots of funny lines from Tom Kenny

[lunar kiln]

I'm also just a big ice king fan in general

[timber zinc]

Marceline would be fun too

[lunar kiln]

we gotta get em both
they are a canon duo

[timber zinc]

Obviously we would get a reskin of Ice King of ||Simon||

[lunar kiln]

gotta have it for sure

[echo valley]

99% of players are casuals who wouldn't break silver in ranked

BG is the ultimate noob killer

He's extremely simple yet his whole kit is super overtuned

If you know how to play around it, he can be beaten pretty easily

If you're just mindlessly button mashing, he'll win every time

[carmine owl]

Thats true

[rain current]

It still kinda looks like they barely touched him, they really don't wanna acknowledge him. x3

[ruby parcel]

the strat for fighting bg is just wait for him to whiff

[untold swift]

They nerfed him a bit

[untold swift]

Made it able to be canceled 26 frames earlier which is quite a bit, so I'm hoping we actually have combos with it instead of being punished for using it lol

[echo valley]

They despise the idea of casuals (the largest demographic) being happy but they also can't fathom competitive players being happy either, so they just don't add ranked, listen to casuals for half the balancing, and let the game die

Fumbling two times in a row is embarrassing

[tight gust]

Tbh BG was only busted at release. Now, he's basically a mid tier with nothing to do, especially now that Workout only gives you one hit like Jason N-Special (at least there's no cd)

[timber zinc]

Only whenever the hit connects or would it be like Jason where the first attack even if it misses, squanders the whole thing

[obtuse meteor]

i imagine its like jason, shaggy has a similar effect and it works the same

[timber zinc]

That's funny

[static marsh]

Idk what y’all talking about he does the same damage 💀

[sonic shell]

so how did the patch treat our boy?

[static marsh]

Basically the same tbh

[obtuse brook]

Airwalker feels a lil slower rn so if you used it to actually combo a wee worse but if you play bg normally he's like exactly the same

[echo valley]

Buffing Banana Guard in the one big patch for the next 2 months was a bad idea I think

The casuals are NOT gonna stick around and there isn't a big enough competitive scene to sustain the game

[obtuse meteor]

👍

[potent vine]

I mean the character got worked around in a more interesting manner. I think side special could’ve been hit harder cause that move is still really good but now his nair feels way more fun and intuitive than previously

[deep trail]

nair?

i never hit that move man 😭

idk banana guard is one of the weirdest characters for me

[potent vine]

It’s crazy for combos now

[deep trail]

super sluggish, easy to parry and moves are telegraphed

[deep trail]

let me know banana guard combos i started playing him today and am having a hard time playing him

cuz people have found hes a slow and telegraphed character

[potent vine]

Nair into sair is really good

Jab into nair into up air can work as well

Idk I don’t play the character that much

[deep trail]

im just confused what this characters niche is. every attack he leaves himself open for a long period, he and his attacks are slow..

i get hes a joke character but damn 😭

[potent vine]

also jab into neutral attack into side special can work as well

Nair into up special can work

[potent vine]

You kinda have to abuse his range. Like jab is really good because of that coverage

[obtuse brook]

Im pretty sure he doesnt have any combos beyond 2 attacks without airwalker he was designed to be a 0 skill heavy hitter

[unreal cairn]

When I use him it’s usually in 2s and if your partner can survive long enough for you to disengage a little you can either pump iron or just come back in swinging, I jump in with a down attack into a grounded charged up attack, people tend to float right at you to try and beat your attack

His jab is super annoying from range as well as others have said

[obtuse brook]

I was bouta diss the 2s bg but you're a dad you can do whatever playstyle n get a pass 🐴

[unreal cairn]

To be fair I mostly play stripe… but once in a while I abuse the 🍌

Also a lot of Jason which sorta makes me a sadist

[obtuse brook]

Respect it but even before the buff jason was solid now bro is like a tier

Too much people sleepin on his sauce

[unreal cairn]

Totally agree… I think he’s gonna be a monster in ffa if the other three don’t just silently agree to go after him lol

[obtuse brook]

Fr

I hope people keep sayin he's trash because I wanna play bro so bad

[unreal cairn]

Yea I think they said Friday morning he’ll be back

[obtuse brook]

Like i face so many trash IG's rn and jasons armor is insane if IG doesnt have shock off cooldown

[obtuse brook]

Yippee

[lunar kiln]

there sure have been a lot of banana guards tonight

I stopped seeing em for awhile but they have returned lol

[timber zinc]

BG is fun for when you want to chill out in a late night play session

[fluid ermine]

Does anyone still actually use this character 💀

[lunar kiln]

I saw a lot of bananas last night
so I guess so

[obtuse brook]

Only like brand new people

Most just swap to a character that can actually combo after a few hours

[lunar kiln]

I really have seen an increase in banana guard players recently, and they aren't new players

[timber zinc]

Telling you he's fun to play during a late night chill session

[obtuse brook]

IG is better 🐴

he has fairly simple yet in-depth gameplay + he doesn't die til 200% against everyone but shaggy

[crude nova]

Banger character, down b still sucks, also giving him a better vertical combo game would make him so fun, maybe reduce his weight and buff those things 🤔

[obtuse brook]

absolutely not a banger he was designed to be boring and unable to combo

[crude nova]

Simple, but effective character that enjoys calculated stray hits and kills early off reads is how I would describe it, but yep 👍

Make his up b deal more damage

Maybe make his up a have a little bit more damage scaling

Air down b rework-ish: gives a burst of speed at the first few frames that is faster than fast fall but deals less damage and has a smaller hitbox if the player hits the floor in that state, you cannot cancel the move during that bust. After the burst, you will get a slower fall, but if you hit that floor during that state you will deal more damage (more than what it does pre rework) and has its normal hitbox, you can cancel the move into any attack but itself while in that state, the goal of this rework is to give areal down b some movement uses without making it broken

I haven't tested ground down b much but if it still sucks, I would try working on that

Make him lighter

Make air side b have a little more end lag
.

^ how I would make banana guard a better character in high level, while addressing how broken he is in casual games

[timber zinc]

Is it a universal thing that the "Ground Pound" down B that a lot of people have just doesn't do any damage until they hit the ground

[crude nova]

I mean that it will do less damage if you start out later

[olive briar]

JOKE CHARACTER ALERT

[obtuse meteor]

👍

[crude nova]

joke character for a joke human

it fits me :))

[tight gust]

IG and Jake don't have this problem

[unreal cairn]

I low-key love Jake but I’m pretty mid with him… he feels a little like Kirby from smash 64 tho, especially when you do the down special

I’m too scared to queue up with IG… lol I feel like I’ll just get screen rocked

[tulip steppe]

fick b guard'

[unreal cairn]

Honestly I don’t think he’s that good but people are still traumatized from when he first came out and no one was good at dodge meter usage, plus he’s had minor nerfs since then… he feels pretty slow if people don’t just feed him by constantly running into his moves

[tight gust]

That's what I'm referring to lol

Their groundpounds have hitboxes on the way down, not just the landing

[unreal cairn]

yea they're like the only ones unless you count Batman's dive kick or whatever

[tight gust]

I forgot about that one, but that too lol

[crude nova]

nana guard wasnt that good, people were just trash

tho he did deserve some nerfs he got

[tight gust]

Overtuned but not overpowered

That would be Joker

[echo valley]

Joker is B tier

They gutted him

[orchid bough]

nice bait

[still latch]

actual bait

[hushed thorn]

nanner are pretty cool

[timber zinc]

thanks, im doing my part to serve the candy kingdom

[sleek pulsar]

Buff banana

[spring narwhal]

#remove

[crude nova]

#giveareadonableamountofnerfsandbuffs

[spare verge]

Yo does this character just have no combos wth

Also has banana's up dodge always been this bad?

Im just picking up the character cus iron giant is banned from like all the 2s tournaments

Idk if this has any implications at all but I found out that if you turn around immediately after the first hit of up air the opponent will be sent straight up instead of up and diagonal

Idk how DI affects it yet

[timber zinc]

Interesting

[hushed thorn]

it's likely a DI thing

similar to like

Sheik uair in s4

[spare verge]

Funky

[sleek pulsar]

Just make banana a little faster and more priority

[wind hare]

I still don't get why this guy can just spam side special and get away with it

[spare verge]

Probably because he's still not a good character even with side special

And his side special actually has decent end lag, just punish it bruh

[wind hare]

Wdym how the hitbox is mad I can never calculate the distance it's going qnd even if I dodge past it. They just dodge my attack and do it again

[hot edge]

Dodge into it and you invalidate the move and he's stuck in a long animation, ripe for punishing

[heavy shell]

Did you know that with most characters you can jump and down air?

[ruby parcel]

use the dodge button.

[hot edge]

Any uses for down smash?

[fluid frost]

ledge guard, combo starting

[timber zinc]

BRO

[hot edge]

What are we BRO-ing about

[timber zinc]

New emote

For BG

[lunar kiln]

banana guard has a new emote in the season 2 battlepass
peanut butter jelly time
for us internet oldies

[timber zinc]

Also the dancing one I have no idea when they are going to add

[hot edge]

Ok but when can we get some new combo routes?

Also buffs to buttslam and tears

[sleek pulsar]

BRO

[still latch]

does litteraly anyone play this character

i seen one banana guard in the last week

[rigid tundra]

I play him

[hot edge]

I play him too. He's a relaxing time but has a low skill ceiling so there's not much to learn and his gameplan is a fair bit linear. I imagine that gets people to hop off him quickly. He's also not top tier so its not like there's an incentive to stick with him. Sadly the third party website's stats broke so we don't know actually playrates

[crude nova]

I play him, playstyle is super fun, but he sucks ass ngl

[still latch]

hes so silly i wish he was better

[crude nova]

i know

he is good until someone learns the matchup well

then he sucks so much

[rigid tundra]

Yep

It’s so funny when they call him broken

[orchid bough]

samurai jack and banana guard polar opposites of each other

samurai jack has too many things in his kit

banana guard has the most basic kit in the game😭

i kinda wish they gave him tippers

[ruby parcel]

giving bg tippers would instantly make him a more interesting character

[hot edge]

he does lack a passive

[timber zinc]

Make him give off a Febreze Banana scent to heal his teammates when they are right beside him

That was a joke

[timber zinc]

S c h n i t z e l, you should be helping Chowder with Field-Tournament-Style-Up-and-Down-On-The-Ground-Manja-Flanja-Blanja-Banja-Ishka-Bibble-Babble-Flabble-Doma-Roma-Floma-Boma-Jingle-Jangle-Every-Angle-Bricka-Bracka-Flacka-Stacka-Two-Ton-Rerun-Free-for-All-Big-Ball, not complaining about Multiversus.

[hot edge]

Only been playing Ranked for half a day on 2v2 and already rank 27. There really aren't a lot of us lol

[rigid tundra]

Banana gaurd is not even top 10 character, very easy to beat once you know the matchup, no loops like mostly every other character, but whatever you say bud

[still latch]

banana guard is so bad if you just know his hitboxes yeah

everyone was kinda geting destroyed because noone was used to that lingering side special hitbox but now that people got used to it its rough

[sleek pulsar]

yeah been playing a ton and havent seen many banana guard. I did decide to play some banana and saw like 4. I was like... uhhh HUH

[rigid tundra]

I haven’t vs any other banana gaurd

[white heron]

that doenst make you any less annoying. it is without fail obnoxious every single time to go agianst BG. he's not bad, but im not gonna act like he's healthy for the game

[rigid tundra]

?

[sleek pulsar]

uhhh

[rigid tundra]

We have Wonder Woman, Ig, gizmo, joker, taz, I can go on but I don’t feel like it that’s not healthy for this game but your problem is banana gaurd a character who is worse than majority of the characters

[white heron]

a character that encourages people to side spam isnt good. it highlights how litte the attack decay matters. yes, he is far from the top, but it still annoying to deal with. especially when i half to deeal with the conection issue on top of all that

[rigid tundra]

Oh

[white heron]

i dont care if he's counterable. something shoudlnt be designed like that to begin with

its not engaging to fight against

its mind numbing to actually play

[rigid tundra]

Ik you were prob talking about the side special

[hot edge]

You aren't incentivized to spam side b. It's unsafe on hit at low percents. The grounded version has a long end lag and the aerial version has long start up

[rigid tundra]

There’s such a big punish window on miss though that I barely even use it anymore

But to each there own

[sleek pulsar]

yall are funny for actually trying to argue that BG shouldnt be in the game

[rigid tundra]

Are you serious

Are you actually slow ?

And who do you play ?

[sleek pulsar]

lol imagine actually getting mad about my statement

[rigid tundra]

Who

Do

You

Play

Ok then

[sleek pulsar]

🇱

[rigid tundra]

That’s what I thought

[sleek pulsar]

imagine getting triggered by that

couldnt be me

[rigid tundra]

Imagine talking about bg but you play Harley ?

[sleek pulsar]

he still mad

[rigid tundra]

I feel like some of yall who make comments about characters are not good enough to have comments just saying

Not mad just embarrassed for you

[sleek pulsar]

just keep digging yourself further.

im entertained cause you just keep going

[rigid tundra]

Just keep playing Harley while you complain about a low tier character 🤣🤣🤣

[sleek pulsar]

thanks for the laugh guy

appreciate your mental illness

[rigid tundra]

Love these comebacks

[sleek pulsar]

dont have to do comebacks

you do the work for me

[rigid tundra]

Sure

Whatever you tell yourself

[sleek pulsar]

😘

[rigid tundra]

I don’t swing that way but have a good day 😇

[hot edge]

a true banana fills every hole

[still latch]

REAL

[feral prism]

I don't care if I can improve this combo, but side spamming is boring. If it was delayed longer, it wouldn't be worth it. Just imagine being ranked.

Unlike shaggy

[orchid bough]

saying carried as if bg is good rn

hes mid

[hot edge]

Top 15 Banana Guard now. We must proliferate. There must be a bundle of banana guards 🍌

[rigid tundra]

I peak top 2 banana gaurd but I’m prob like number 6 rn cause I haven’t played in a day

[tranquil meteor]

W

[echo valley]

Why are you guys so toxic?

[timber zinc]

Who

[rigid tundra]

🤷‍♂️

[rigid tundra]

I just read your about me 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[echo valley]

It's what they get

Shouldn't have been so small

[toxic thistle]

People still disrespect the banana?

[toxic thistle]

Low key liking this character all of a sudden lol

[echo valley]

Bound to happen when every BG main ever is toxic

[toxic thistle]

Not me, I just like fundamental characters. Slapping around these 5k win aryas feels good

Tbh most characters in this game are toxic rofl

[rigid tundra]

Grinding back to number 2

Wish me luck

[toxic thistle]

Gettem

[rigid tundra]

i just vs 3 different jacks on batcave in a row

i love this game