#Joker
errant wraith
wheat marten
akshully it's more of a violet but our eyes cannot perceive that wavelength of colour 🤓
orchid bolt
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2180065145
very kind person 😭
errant wraith
dunno who else is in top 8 but that's the first big tournament I found and it's a joker mirror in Grand finals
orchid bolt
also dev on reddit said Arya thing will be fixed in a later patch so she might be back
orchid bolt
dunno who else is in top 8 but that's the first big tournament I found and it's ...
@barren breach this person found the vod you asked for
please hurry and move the goal post
barren breach
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2180065145
ty I need to see some good joker players lol
wheat marten
Agent Smith is gonna be the same. Watch the tournies shift to him being a 90% pick rate
orchid bolt
if they're going to let him have combos i will play him
a lot of people got shafted this patch unintentionally by the side attack change
i feel like the devs designed the game to have everyone spamming special moves and they don't plan for or test the actual capabilities of the fighters
bc why else would joker release how he did 😭
wheat marten
The design philosophy so far seems to be make sure upon release new characters are busted so more people buy them.
Which makes sense, so many other games are like that. But power creep will be inevitable.
brittle zenith
WHAT LMAOOOO
Unfathomable skill issue 😭
Pretty sure Joker has been in the top 8 of every major tournament since his release
brittle zenith
The design philosophy so far seems to be make sure upon release new characters a...
Ong Jason was unbeatable on release
wheat marten
Ong Jason was unbeatable on release
lmaaaao okay jason the exception
but BA and Joker were blech...
Banana Guard too but that was a joke character so they didn't care to keep him OP
brittle zenith
but BA and Joker were blech...
Banana Guard too but that was a joke character s...
They kept BG OP
The only reason people dont think he's busted is because his skill ceiling is even lower than Shaggy's
wheat marten
They removed his power up to being only on one hit so I feel he's a bit more manageable now
errant wraith
shaggy and BG are both pretty straightforward
their counterplay is extremely obvious
brittle zenith
shaggy and BG are both pretty straightforward
Yeah but the issue is Shaggy's speed and kill power is uncontested (or was)
He'a a little more fair now
I think they still have lots of work to do
brittle zenith
Joker is still the best character in the game lmao
Worst dev team of all time
Just take Joker out of the game
He's unbeatable
orchid bolt
idk about allat
crystal rampart
Pretty beatable tbh
Not crazy unbeatable. Still top 3. But isn't near as oppressive
cinder drift
He is very powerful yes but not unbeatable
He could use a couple nerfs to make him less oppressive
brittle zenith
2 hits and you're in kill range just saying
subtle holly
Yeah but the issue is Shaggy's speed and kill power is uncontested (or was)
It's astonishing how literally every Shaggy player I have come across plays almost the exact same way. Just running away to charge up and then coming in with side special.
brittle zenith
Shaggy doesnt have any options lmao
He has no combos
Also only bad shaggys spam side b
subtle holly
No combos =/= no options
Shaggy's side air is actually a really solid horizontal KO move, and it's significantly less reactable than side special, and I barely see it used.
brittle zenith
Low MMR queue
brittle zenith
Never was? Did you saw the most played character in the top 8?
He's running a psyop
I'll join him and you should too
soft raft
I'll join him and you should too
Thx gonna leave him alone before I think shaggy was nerfed this patch
brittle zenith
Thx gonna leave him alone before I think shaggy was nerfed this patch
Shaggy was gutted
Or at least his combos were
He lost his only combo
And some of his kill power that was carrying him
soft raft
I was playing shaggy yesterday but I didn't feel It that bad
Just the Up air
But I mean... I understand the change
I'm gonna watch some main shaggys to see what they think
brittle zenith
He feels terrible imo
I actually just cant get to playing him anymore
He was my favorite in the beta but now he's just painful to use
It would be more fun to punch myself in the nuts for 3 hours
orchid bolt
Never was? Did you saw the most played character in the top 8?
read the messages above
dense radish
He was my favorite in the beta but now he's just painful to use
👅👅👅👅👅👅👅👅👅👅
brittle zenith
👅👅👅👅👅👅👅👅👅👅
🤨
sand phoenix
ran into a side special spamming banana guard
hand buzzer was very useful
young kelp
ran into a side special spamming banana guard
hand buzzer was very useful
fr i love cooking spammers with that counter
they always ragequit
got me lolling
brittle zenith
It's truly one of the moves of all time
sand phoenix
I've had a match before where I was doing well so I started standing still and using the buzzer
it hits so hard so it was like, a real strat
the only downside is I get impatient sometimes and use it too early, or my brain isn't on and I use it slightly too late and it doesn't go through pff
but I think hand buzzer is very funny and people should use it more
sand phoenix
the man who jonks
strange dirge
nah what tha jonkler doing!?
cosmic stump
sand phoenix
the powers of playing the wrong voice lines at max volume
I'm surprised they didn't fix that lol
hallow kraken
perks for joker?
brittle zenith
the powers of playing the wrong voice lines at max volume
I'm surprised they did...
My theory is they dont have complete voicelines
The skin is unfinished like the rest of the game
When playing against Joker (normal) he uses voicelines for Shaggy, against most bruisers he seems to call them Teth Adam (Black Adam voicelines) and against everyone else it's Bruce (Batman voicelines)
sand phoenix
and they all play at full volume I noticed
like I have character voices turned down a little so its noticeable when he speaks really loudly lol
brittle zenith
My volume is at max and my game is still quiet idk why
mellow thicket
Def not joever
Joker still plays the same and feels almost as strong
Still getting killed at 70 too💀
brittle zenith
Wow crazy the character that was given 4 whiff frames on uair aand cant chain side b anymore was barely nerfed
Actually crazy
Nobody saw that coming
stray notch
Character still broken asf
1 jab is 35 true damage every time
Still a top 3 character easy
gloomy orbit
@brittle zenith what are some combos u can do after patch?
brittle zenith
<@750162417039704086> what are some combos u can do after patch?
Jab > jab > air down b > dair > air down b > uair.
Jab > jab > IAD dair > jump and air down b quickly > up b/side b depending on how high down b sent them > uair.
Dair > down b > side b/up b > uair.
Dair > side b > sair.
These are a couple of possible combos
There's way more
Some kill confirms as well:
Jab > utilt
Jab > handshake
Jab > jab > ground side b
sand phoenix
jab 1 hand buzzer is a favorite of mine
cinder drift
Remembering this for when I want to ruin someone’s day
quick timber
is anyone else having problems with d-tilt only hitting once even with full charge
brittle zenith
is anyone else having problems with d-tilt only hitting once even with full char...
Yeah Jokers dtilt is very inconsistent
quick timber
i imagine it's a bug right ?
brittle zenith
i imagine it's a bug right ?
It could be, but it could also just be poor game design!
Probably a bug
They like to ignore Jokers bugs unless they're actually detrimental to gameplay (like balloon SD)
quick timber
They fixed that in the patch
At least the balloon sd
D-tilt not working properly is still very much there
brittle zenith
Thats why I specified balloon SD
Ita detrimental to gameplay
Dtilt being a bad thing to use is different
quick timber
d-tilt not working feels pretty detrimental to me 😔
brittle zenith
Batmans uair likes to fail to work
sand phoenix
joker nerfs they said
never believed it for a damn second
brittle zenith
He's slightly worse
It's a step in the right direction
Just a thousand more to go
lapis void
So is he still considered top 5 character?
Waiting until he’s balanced to start playing him again
sudden dagger
he is still easily top 3 still
lapis void
Ah gotcha see you guys next patch 😂
stray notch
He’s top 1. Broken as ever
queen sonnet
So is he still considered top 5 character?
For sure shi id say top 3
lapis void
He’s top 1. Broken as ever
Never had enough problems with him as many others, now ww pre nerfs and gismo pre nerfs were def broken broken. Joker always just seemed overtuned
eager fossil
Jokah baby
sand phoenix
I'm da joker baybe
misty snow
Played him for the first time like 5 seconds ago I fell in love I need to learn this character
brittle zenith
Never had enough problems with him as many others, now ww pre nerfs and gismo pr...
Before side b got nerfed, low ceiling maps gave him a free kill if he landed one hit
brittle zenith
Played him for the first time like 5 seconds ago I fell in *love* I need to lear...
Happens whenever anyone plays meta
Want a few combos?
misty snow
Yes please
Also I'm still kinda trying to learn his moves it took me like half the first match to realize what the card was mapped to
brittle zenith
Yes please
Jab is one of your best combo starts, as it has a massive hitbox and pulls enemies right up to you
Using jab, you can do something like these:
(Jab > Dair > Down B (Air) > Up B/Side B (depending on how high down b sent them) > Uair)
(Jab > Jab > Dair > Down B > Up B/Side B > Uair)
You can also use it to kill confirm:
(Jab > Neutral B [ground])
(Jab > Jab > Side B [ground])
(Jab > Utilt)
misty snow
Elmer fudd in one chat absolute G in the other I love you dawg
brittle zenith
Elmer fudd in one chat absolute G in the other I love you dawg
One more thing that I just love with Joker, one of the main reasons I play him really, if someone tries to climb a wall and hit you, his grounded neutral b can be used as one of the strongest edge guards in the game and a reversal and kill them with it
It's such a strong ability but if you whiff, you're cooked
3 business days worth of whiff frames
misty snow
The whiff I def noticed I never thought to use it as an edgeguard
Not used to counters being good at edgeguard lol
brittle zenith
It vacuums them in, so if they hit you, you hit them
But you hit them twice as hard
It's so good
It'll only work as an edge guard if they're trying to hit you as they climb back up though
And if they whiff and you use it, they'll still be able to punish so while it's extremely effective when it works, it's extremely ineffective when it fails
misty snow
So like sharking with bugs uair or Harley bat I see I see
That's also not too far off the use cases for countering in smash as well except it's generally weaker because you still have to have the read, but there are so many options off ledge
More options to pick from generally means a lesser chance they actually hit the counter
Mvs has slightly less options in that scenario so in my mind it narrows down the options and makes them more likely to actually try hitting you
lapis void
Before side b got nerfed, low ceiling maps gave him a free kill if he landed one...
Yeah he was def easy mode i just feel like its all damage and knockback that needs adjusting, i can agree with the last changes too but then i think he’ll be solid
brittle zenith
Yeah he was def easy mode i just feel like its all damage and knockback that nee...
He's still busted
Light characters can still be 0td on low ceiling maps
His jab is still objectively the best in the game
He's still fast
He still as very little whiff
He's all around busted
final eagle
Number one joker glazer but you right ngl
lapis void
Oh yeah i mean i agree
brittle zenith
Number one joker glazer but you right ngl
I wish I was glazing
final eagle
I wish I was glazing
😭
paper topaz
Joker 0 to death #combos message 63 damage true combo
stray notch
Ya he’s still busted as ever it’s ridiculous
sand phoenix
guess he has to be good since they went through all the effort to get mark hamill
that's my current theory pft
brittle zenith
But goddamn he's super broken 🤦♂️
Its his kit honestly
Unless they give him the Shaggy treatment, he'll forever be top tier
queen sonnet
Yea fr his kit is goated
brittle zenith
the cards need to either be slower or have more cooldown
The cards arent even that strong
Except joker card
stray notch
Nerf this dumb character and do it right this time
brittle zenith
Nerf this dumb character and do it right this time
Jokers fine
He's not very strong in many aspects tbh
Just has a solid up air and jab really
paper topaz
He's not very strong in many aspects tbh
“Not very strong” he’s S tier and even if you disagree he’s atleast high A
brittle zenith
“Not very strong” he’s S tier and even if you disagree he’s atleast high A
Like B tier tbh
paper topaz
Like B tier tbh
B tier is Marvin LeBron gizmo
And etc
Joker isn’t on their level
He’s way better
paper topaz
Marvin is A tier
Nice troll
brittle zenith
Maybe even C tier
paper topaz
U almost got me
sand phoenix
you almost got joked
paper topaz
But next time try not to make outrageous takes
I would have fell for it if you didn’t say Marvin is A tier
brittle zenith
I would have fell for it if you didn’t say Marvin is A tier
The zoners in this game are all busted
They're unapproachable
Anyone who relies on melee (like Joker) basically loses by default
paper topaz
Ok
sand phoenix
I'll remember that next time I chain up air and up special and kill at like 40
stray notch
Bro loves trolling
reef kindle
Bait used to be believable
mint geyser
are the voicelines on the laughs skin broken for you too?
he only uses his batman specific voicelines
subtitles say something different all the time
sand phoenix
yeah, they've just been broken since launch
cyan aspen
can any of u jokers help me do the tom n jerry node in the jason rifts?
brittle zenith
are the voicelines on the laughs skin broken for you too?
I dont think they recorded more voicelines
mint geyser
Could be but I don’t think so. Cake got her own full set of lines too, and so did uncle shagworthy
brittle zenith
Could be but I don’t think so. Cake got her own full set of lines too, and so di...
But Batman Who Laughs isn't Cake or Shagworthy, is he?
mint geyser
He is not. What’s your point?
brittle zenith
So they could've just not had the funding for full voicelines??
WB is pretty greedy
reef sky
i've also had BWL call other characters Teth-Adam before
brittle zenith
He has voicelines for Black Adam, Shaggy, and Batman
He uses Black Adam against bruisers, Shaggy against Joker, and Batman against everyone else
sudden dagger
he does have voicelines for joker mirrors to its just you physically cannot hear it in game
quiet flicker
my favourite mvs moment gota be fighting tooth and nail against a joker barely able to kill them once geting that stock difference and they spawn in one shot you with joker card
sand phoenix
its so fun :D
brittle zenith
my favourite mvs moment gota be fighting tooth and nail against a joker barely a...
Skill issue
quiet flicker
^^ so real actually if i were better at the game and didnt get hit ever the joker card couldnt one shot me i didnt think of that
lapis void
^^ so real actually if i were better at the game and didnt get hit ever the joke...
This guy hasnt gotten hit in this game once with that mentality
errant wraith
its funny how the card gets homing too, like it being a random one shot wasn't good enough
brittle zenith
its funny how the card gets homing too, like it being a random one shot wasn't g...
Dude it's not even that good they literally nerfed it instead of killing at 100% it kills at 101% and it needs the homing bro
errant wraith
yeah I never really noticed the nerf
brittle zenith
Yeah idk what they were tryna cook that patch
Only thing I noticed as nerfed was side b no longer true combos into itself and neither does down b
errant wraith
I'm sure it'll get nerfed by s2 when there's a new flavor of the month busted character for 6k
samurai jack has a 1/10 chance for a sword attack to crit and randomly kill you on the spot, no blast zones involved
brittle zenith
Lore accurate Samurai Jack
lapis void
samurai jack has a 1/10 chance for a sword attack to crit and randomly kill you ...
Whered you see that? Any info on marceline?
errant wraith
Whered you see that? Any info on marceline?
I'm just riffing that Jack will have a free ko mechanic like Joker's
hopefully that isn't going to actually happen
brittle zenith
Whered you see that? Any info on marceline?
He's joking
The devs will obviously not give Samurai Jack a 10% chance to one tap you
That would be literally uncounterable unless you just don't get hit ever
lapis void
You know that’s honestly my bad i saw him say crit and ignored the instant kill part 😂
exotic canopy
It finally clicked for me how to play with this character lol
It took me getting out of the game for a month, several balance patches and unlearning harley but now I learned how to play him without spamming air side special
brittle zenith
It took me getting out of the game for a month, several balance patches and unle...
Yup, fish for jabs the whole game instead
exotic canopy
For me it was neutral attack at distances, neutral special when getting jumped, ballon/crowbar when up close and acid flower in the air
Also, you're in every character channel, is it just to be a hater ?
brittle zenith
Also, you're in every character channel, is it just to be a hater ?
Sometimes, unless someone has a question about a character or matchup I know the answer to, then I'll be useful instead of hating on the character
exotic canopy
Fair
brittle zenith
<@750162417039704086> u able to teach me some stuff bro
Yeah just tell me what you need
If you want me to actually play you, I can probably do it sometime tomorrow
gloomy orbit
If you want me to actually play you, I can probably do it sometime tomorrow
yeh i want to 1v1, so then u tell me what i should improve on
and yeh thats fine
i'm in australia so we prolly have different time zones
gloomy orbit
we played last time, connection was pre good
brittle zenith
Have we played before?
gloomy orbit
yuh
royal fox
@grave yacht ggs, you got a nasty joker
grave yacht
Ggs man thanks I was trying to get some challenges done lol
crude sonnet
you gotta hit air down special
I see
brittle zenith
Generally, if Jokers attack thats meant to be used isn't working, just use air down special because these devs are bad at programming
brittle zenith
Still a no skill character man
wraith cedar
This community is a joke this dude doesn’t rematch me I catch him again 10 mins later and he dc
The amount of pettiness in this terrible game
I can wait for forces bo3
brittle zenith
The game is so dead that even if someone declines the rematch you still meet them again anyways if they keep playing
Crazy
sudden dagger
since when did people think joker was bad
the character with 2-3 otds
the best jab in the game
exotic canopy
since when did people think joker was bad
Since never, who tf said he was bad ?
Even I know he's good and it took a long time for me to know how to play him properly
barren breach
the best jab in the game
this just ain't true 😭
exotic canopy
Joker's jab is like the most mid part of him 💀
brittle zenith
Joker's jab is like the most mid part of him 💀
Most mid part of him and still the best jab in the game is insane ngl
exotic canopy
Nah not even close, black adam, jason, harley, even batman have better jabs
brittle zenith
Jason is insane
Bro tried to sneak in Jason
Jason is wild
Bro thought he could sneak in Jason
quiet flicker
jokers jab is litteraly a blackhole that leads into the easiest most spammable combo
sudden dagger
jokes jab literally combos into every damn move he has
and it has a massive hitbox
brittle zenith
Yeah his jab is busted and anyone who thinks otherwise is a downplayer
tough trail
wow pure delusion in this channel
thinking jab is a bad move
💀
literally leads into all his ladder combos
serene cypress
Did he always have a TOD?
brittle zenith
Yes
candid berry
Nerf joker
steel sorrel
So how do the nerfs feel
quiet flicker
joker nerfs did litteraly nothing btw
can still do the jab jab dair airdownb uair/side special
sand phoenix
I got 0toD twice by a joker in ranked
nerfed my ass bro
like I get its sweats in ranked, but like they are just NOT nerfing these characters
quiet flicker
yeah they litteraly did nothing again its crazy
sand phoenix
it could be worse, he could have gotten buffed like WW and Morty
because they totally needed buffs for some reason (its 100% dev favorites)
brittle zenith
So how do the nerfs feel
They did NOTHING
They are nerfing him and doing NOTHING with them
Who hired the balance team like actually what do they think they're doing
sand phoenix
well joker is clearly a dev favorite so thats why he's still so strong
brittle zenith
They are very biased towards DC
exotic canopy
Who hired the balance team like actually what do they think they're doing
On that I have to agree with you, the truly OP characters barely receive anything while the characters that struggle to survive get their knees broken by a metal bat and rubbed salt on
Like, finn is one of the most annoying no-skill characters ever and he literally DIDN'T APPEAR ON THIS PATCH
Banana guard too, though I thankfully haven't seen him so if anything at least they dispersed the thousands of braindead individuals using him
sand phoenix
and some of the best characters in the game like morty and WW got buffed
brittle zenith
Like, finn is one of the most annoying no-skill characters ever and he literally...
He technically got a buff
exotic canopy
and some of the best characters in the game like morty and WW got buffed
WW got buffed ? I didn't even see that, damn
sand phoenix
yeah, the whip has no cooldown again
exotic canopy
I think the devs hate black adam honestly
It's all of his worst matchups lol
Did they buff marvin too ?
He feels way stronger
sand phoenix
they nerfed him actually
a small nerf but still a nerf
and his biggest problem still hasn't been fixed either
yippeeeeee, "NERFS"
god, it wouldn't be so annoying if it wasn't for the fact they keep saying "this is a nerf" and then it changes nothing
like if his name just didn't show up in the patch notes, it would still suck but at least I'd know they just didn't try
quiet flicker
like when i read the patchnotes i tought they removed jab jab dair down airb uair/sidespec but nah second ranked game immediately proven wrong
exotic canopy
yippeeeeee, "NERFS"
god, it wouldn't be so annoying if it wasn't for the fact th...
Exactly, like, they change one number from 0.3 to 0.4 and call it a day
gloomy orbit
@brittle zenith when u wanna 1v1
brittle zenith
<@750162417039704086> when u wanna 1v1
I forgot all about that wanna run it rn?
brittle zenith
Probably not
gloomy orbit
damn
brittle zenith
I will have a lot of time the day after tomorrow though
Hmu then and I'll run it whenever
gloomy orbit
I will have a lot of time the day after tomorrow though
prolly can't cause i got school
should be at school today but felt sick
brittle zenith
In July???
gloomy orbit
In July???
i live in australia
brittle zenith
i live in australia
Okay but JULY??? When do you start school?
gloomy orbit
yesterday...
i went yesterday
but felt sick the full day yesterday and today
so didn't go today
brittle zenith
ngl how are u meant to like hit stuff
Get close enough to where it hits idk
gloomy orbit
Get close enough to where it hits idk
nah like when i try to fight someone, they hit me when i try to land a attack
is there other ways that i can reduce that?
or should i just learn the combos
and dodge
brittle zenith
Learning your own hitboxes and the hitboxes of your opponent are important
exotic canopy
nah like when i try to fight someone, they hit me when i try to land a attack
Are you approaching from above ? I used to do that and got my ahh beat
gloomy orbit
Are you approaching from above ? I used to do that and got my ahh beat
sometimes
with the pogo
but most i just go front on
exotic canopy
I generally approach with the cards, sometimes with dash attack
gloomy orbit
the thing with dash attack is if its too short, ur gonna get punished
exotic canopy
Tbh I don't approach much myself, I try to space it out (shocker, a mage using spacing) and play defensive with counter
brittle zenith
Yeah Joker optimal play is really annoying campy nerd crap
He doesn't have insane approach tools but side b air is strong
exotic canopy
Yeah, side air special is annoying when ppl know how to use it (which isn't the case for me since I always press the wrong directions)
exotic canopy
Yeah, I'd say so
And pretty read based too
Damn I only play with read based characters lol
gloomy orbit
what are the combos u can do with joker?
@brittle zenith did anything change after nerf
brittle zenith
No
They're barely nerfing Joker
If you play a DC character as your main, you're basically guaranteed to always be A tier or higher
exotic canopy
I'm not good with combos but I generally do down air special into anything when given the chance, also the basic crowbar/balloon juggle
gloomy orbit
been trynna play samurai jack
but he feels so weird
might just needa stick to joker
ngl
exotic canopy
but he feels so weird
I thought the same
brittle zenith
When you're used to a character with a free win button like Joker, everyone will feel like that
exotic canopy
He looked so fast in the trailers
brittle zenith
Jack is pretty fire once you get used to him though
brittle zenith
He looked so fast in the trailers
He is fast
His up air especially
I don't even think that move has startup frames
Instant move
Gives him a solid ladder
exotic canopy
He is fast
Not "combo" fast
brittle zenith
Yeah his combos are nothing special tbh
Jab > Jab > Dtilt > Dodge > Jab > Jab > Utilt is like his longest combo and I think it's DIable
exotic canopy
He's more of a heavy with lots of spacing and damage, basically sephiroth without projectiles
exotic canopy
Most jacks only spam side special, jab ETC
brittle zenith
His dair is nasty though
exotic canopy
His dair is nasty though
Don't you mean down special ?
brittle zenith
The hitbox is different from every other dair in the game though (where it hits right under the character or slightly ahead of them) his hits way in front of him
brittle zenith
Don't you mean down special ?
His down b is solid but his dair has ridiculous spikes
exotic canopy
I find it pretty hard to land tho, his down special hits you 1km away lol
brittle zenith
His down b is his only disjoint I think
Which is weird considering how most swordies in this game have a kit full of disjoints
exotic canopy
On the air there's side air too
On the ground basically every move he has is a disjoint
Or I've just been deceived by how fast they are
brittle zenith
Nah none of his grounded moves are disjoints I don't think
They honestly seem to have Jason type hitboxes where the attack just phases through enemies, that happens a lot for me
Except his jab
exotic canopy
I'll still have nightmares about that side special tho
brittle zenith
Jabs are so busted in this game
gloomy orbit
can u still do jab > jab > iad dair> dspecial > uspecial
exotic canopy
man I hate how most combos involve jab cancelling, I'm horrible at that stuff
IDK if it's because I use the right analog stick, because I'm bad, or both
gloomy orbit
@brittle zenith i can 1v1 rn if ur down
brittle zenith
<@750162417039704086> i can 1v1 rn if ur down
What's your IGN?
gloomy orbit
Jokerx6
brittle zenith
Is it? I'm not having any lag
gloomy orbit
i am
brittle zenith
You can't jump after jab 2
gloomy orbit
oh fr
brittle zenith
If you do that, your next attack will be too delayed to hit
gloomy orbit
oh okay
brittle zenith
If you want to do jab 1,2 > dair you need IAD (movement diagonal up and dodge)
gloomy orbit
so basically i should just do jab 1,2 > iad dair
brittle zenith
I'd also recommend less RPG in neutral, you used it way too much
It has high startup and endlag
Great edge guard tool though
gloomy orbit
true
i was mis inputing a lot of stuff
might be cause of the lag
wait
to do the combo
i have to do jab, jab
and then at the same dodge analog stick and then jump dair?
rancid rune
If you play a DC character as your main, you're basically guaranteed to always b...
THIS IS SO TRUE
sand phoenix
chat
do you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
wheat marten
i know how to shaggy shuffle
sand phoenix
I made a batman who laughs with all the pvp badges rage quit in ranked 1v1 as samurai jack
that guy must have been having an off day cus there is no way that match should have gone that way
brittle zenith
I made a batman who laughs with all the pvp badges rage quit in ranked 1v1 as sa...
All the PvP badges? As in from top dog?
Because top dog is purely playtime, no skill
sand phoenix
I mean I guess
quiet flicker
i tried this and it worked ty
sullen geode
Does anyone know why his jab jab jab has been slowed down so much…??
brittle zenith
It's slower? Doesn't matter doesn't affect him he still has a billion 0tds
sullen geode
Yeah I’m pretty sure 2 out of 4 patches they slowed that down
If you with his second jab, you stand there forever they added an additional eight frames of recovery to that this last patch. I’m pretty sure slowed two of them down last patch.
brittle zenith
If only doing that did something to nerf the Joker in any meaningful way😔
Combos are unchanged and he can just spam 0tds
sullen geode
Straight blocked him I can’t handle. I’m like the 1000 person he’s argued with about jokers speed. He got nerfedddddd plain and simple 0td are not everything
brittle zenith
Smartest Joker main
untold breach
Straight blocked him I can’t handle. I’m like the 1000 person he’s argued with a...
Good, more people should do that
Because it's a straight up hivemind with Joker players with every single one being a carbon copy of the previous
There is no expression, no cool interactions or mechanics, or matchups
It's just fish for jab, then react into pogo for a full combo
subtle schooner
Please someone tell me how you di the one joker combo
young kelp
Please someone tell me how you di the one joker combo
oh its di proof, you just have to make sure you dont get hit with that jab
subtle schooner
😭
quiet flicker
litteraly just dont get hit tbh
wheat oasis
how do i charge teeth without using
sudden dagger
just dodge while charging it
wheat oasis
Thank u
brittle zenith
Please someone tell me how you di the one joker combo
The only counter to Joker is don't get hit ima be honest
sand phoenix
gotta love when a joker salt emotes you after their guaranteed win
like yep, you really earned that win by being a dev favorite, good job
fierce portal
Nah
exotic canopy
gotta love when a joker salt emotes you after their guaranteed win
like yep, you...
Hate when ppl use salt emote like that
It's supposed to be used when the enemy gets visibly p1ssed off, like chucking themselves on the blast zone
sand phoenix
of course even then, who knows if its on purpose or not, given the state of the servers
fierce portal
Salt emotes funny
exotic canopy
I prefer using thunder emoji as adam
exotic canopy
I also have the clap emoji
But depending on the character the default taunt is better
Like Adam's 👍👎
fierce portal
I think jokers crouch animation with salt feels like the most irritating thing i can do
exotic canopy
I think jokers crouch animation with salt feels like the most irritating thing i...
True
fierce portal
Hence, why im doing it
exotic canopy
Also, I just noticed most of adam's taunts are based on gladiator stuff
brittle zenith
It's supposed to be used when the enemy gets visibly p1ssed off, like chucking t...
It's supposed to be used when you win so you can spam it and teabag to make your opponent mad
fierce portal
Bang on
stark edge
I think jokers crouch animation with salt feels like the most irritating thing i...
The only reason I use the crouch is to change cards
fierce portal
Usually im happy with thd rota tbh
brisk heath
What is the best unique perk for joker?
brittle zenith
What is the best unique perk for joker?
Jokers card gives Joker a small chance to win the stock instantly without any work necessary
brisk heath
Jokers card gives Joker a small chance to win the stock instantly without any wo...
I use that perk and the 50 match I already played with the joker never actually pull something like or is probably just my bad luck.
brittle zenith
Unlucky
brittle zenith
Let me guess, that's flammable doc, speed force, pugilist and jokers wild?
Last stand over speed force
Joker is on the heavier side
He weighs the same as WW
brisk heath
That's wild, thank you
brisk heath
Last stand over speed force
Any combo for him?
brittle zenith
That's wild, thank you
Yeah Joker is insanely busted
brisk heath
I can barely pull 2 jab, down neutral, down air special, and uair
brittle zenith
Any combo for him?
Jab > jab > IAD dair > down b (air) > up b > up air
Kills light characters at 0% on low ceiling stages
brisk heath
Jab > jab > IAD dair > down b (air) > up b > up air
Kills light characters at 0%...
Even with nerfs that can be pulled out?
brittle zenith
Otherwise deals like 30-50% damage idk I stopped playing Joker a long time ago because I felt like a cheater for doing it
brittle zenith
Even with nerfs that can be pulled out?
Yeah
They arent nerfing him significantly lmao
He just cant chain side b
Thats the only nerf hes gotten
Everything else is just SLIGHTLY more whiff
brisk heath
Imagine using troll tactics since he is too busted that you can give also psychological damage to your opponent
brittle zenith
Troll tactics is always a great choice
But Jokers so busted it wont even put him at a disadvantage because his jab is a black hole that controls the entire stage
brisk heath
Even more than samurai jack jab?
sudden dagger
jacks jab doesn’t combo into every move he has
jokers does
and it has a 0td
pretty sure it’s just as big as jacks jab to
fierce portal
Let me guess, that's flammable doc, speed force, pugilist and jokers wild?
You can easily switch flammable for snowball effect tbh
Like its your choice, i prefer snowball
It nets bigger reward and whatnot
fierce portal
Any combo for him?
And for combos you can do what the other fella gave you but it is DI dependent, sometimes you do have to settle for down b side b and if they DI the side b wrong you can kill em with up air
Dodge cancel down b dair dodge cancel dair into whatever is also a thing
brittle zenith
Even more than samurai jack jab?
Jacks jab isn't the best jab in the game
fierce portal
But also DI dependent
brittle zenith
It has solid reach and it's disjointed, but it also doesn't have much hitstun and doesn't combo into his ENTIRE KIT
Jokers? If jab 2 knocks them too far back, jab 1 still has the hitstun needed anyways 🤷♂️
Joker has easily the best jab in the entire game
It has the most range, literally just pulls you in for a kiss, and true combos into any move in his kit
It's ridiculous
fierce portal
I could like probably DM my silly stuff if yous want it
fierce portal
Idk if any of it actually works since training mode sux but its a bunch of his combo ideas
dawn nova
best perks ?
sudden dagger
best perks ?
wild card, flammable, last stand or air walker, pugilist
fierce portal
Take snowball instead
brittle zenith
Take snowball instead
Flammable deals 3-4 damage off of each ignition
Cards basically don't have a cooldown
Joker has some of the fastest attacks in the game as well as giant hitboxes
Flammable gets more damage than snowball
fierce portal
Id much rather the consistent damage boost
brittle zenith
1 damage every 3 attacks vs. 5 extra damage after landing any projectile and then any melee
fierce portal
Youre not hitting card every time and also getting a followup
fierce portal
And fullscreen, my bad
brittle zenith
They really are
Joker is insanely strong and there's just no balancing him because his kit itself is whats strong
fierce portal
Weirdly unrelated
fierce portal
I also didnt know i was playing heritage kak my mistake OG
Like, the choice is subjective but i think there is more value in just having the extra damage clean
fierce portal
What does everyone like to do for ledge trapping
brisk heath
Joker jab doesn't feels strong anymore. I find it kinda hard to hit, even when punishing the buffer is too heavy.
fierce portal
I mean in that case couldnt you just, change the ingame buffer
brittle zenith
What’s the point of his down special?
Ground? There is none
Air? Best ladder in the game
mental kernel
am i tripping or they changed joker's up special at some point. i played him in rifts and the upspecial didnt have any knockup
quaint leaf
I hate this character so much
sullen geode
What’s the point of his down special?
The point of his down air special is to put the target player above you to start the ladder combo
quaint leaf
I hate this character so much
I don’t even hate yall I just hate the character himself
sullen geode
I don’t even hate yall I just hate the character himself
Can I ask why…? I am baking honest and sincere. I play all characters but I am a joker main.
quaint leaf
I just do not like fighting his moveset, same for Harley
It’s just not fun for me to fight personally
Even if I’m bad against most characters I can at least somewhat enjoy getting matchup experience
sullen geode
The Harley matchup does that for me as well I understand that
quaint leaf
But characters like Gizmo T&J Joker Harley Shaggy are just never fun for me to fight
Black Adam too
It’s just not enjoyable for me personally
sullen geode
Yeah, gizmo and Tom and Jerry take the fun out of it by them, repeating their moves you end up repeating your moves
stray notch
Joker aka jab farmer
brittle zenith
Joker aka jab farmer
This game is about jabs lol
Everyone farms for jabs
They're everyones best move
JabVersus
brittle zenith
In a game about jabs, having the best jab is definitely a major advantage
brittle zenith
Crazy how he has the best everything else
quiet flicker
his one attack is bad its jover..
bro does not accept the fact morty is toptier
ok how do you counter him
the most disjointed spammable up air and grenades looking mighty juicy rn,just run to him ig lmao
bro fr went to my tracker 😭😭😭 CRAZY
i have played like 4 ig matches since the beta i main taz lmao
''just dodge'' is also prety demented. litteraly never get hit
yeah in the beta
what character doesnt
crazy like half of those cant even get near morty
stunning instant projectile dirt grenade spam and disjointed hitboxes one must imagine superman ww steven black adam happy
crazy
not gona argue with you mortys balanced
brittle zenith
Weirdo
You're such a weirdo, talking to minors on Discord...
Weirdo...
Weirdo...
strange dirge
<@444294599926743070> Why do you always delete all your messages?
bro moment
next time screenshot it i wanna read the thread
brittle zenith
next time screenshot it i wanna read the thread
Just nonsense about how Morty is apparently low tier
strange dirge
damm would have been fun reading it
drifting prism
@deadchat
brittle zenith
Yes you did
signal anchor
HAHAHAHA🃏
quiet flicker
bro is litteraly the joker what the flip
quiet flicker
there he is
tawdry trench
is the jab jab into pogo or flask throw i dont remember a true combo or can i di it?
tawdry trench
which way should i di?
tawdry trench
Mix it up between out and in
left or right then ok thanks
fierce portal
Try and get an idea of what they wanna go for in their routes and try DI'ing accordingly
Cus jokers super DI dependent
tawdry trench
anything di dependant i should know of?
fierce portal
Up b and side b extension off down b depends on DI'ing in or out respectively
Dont DI in on side b
tawdry trench
ok thanks man
edgy grail
wat did they nerf on joker in the last patch?
brittle zenith
wat did they nerf on joker in the last patch?
They nerf him every patch because he's a top tier every patch
They nerf him VERY little
He'll be getting nerfed for a while
edgy grail
wat got nerfed about him?
brittle zenith
idk on whiff
Whiff means endlag after missing the attack
Endlag means time between when your attack ends and when you can next attack/dodge
Or when you're next actionable, basically
marsh meteor
can we get rid of jerry in one hit with anything
brittle zenith
RPG
supple grove
i wish we could of had the arkham titan joker instead of the joker air baloon boss fight
if we had that we could of had joker weilding a shotgun from batman arkham knight
and an overdose joker skin
how do i sent gifs
sand phoenix
where’s the joker nerf
in the season 5 mid season patch
sudden dagger
in the season 5 mid season patch
that’s sooner than I expected
I expected season 9 launch
bold copper
The game will cease to exist before Joker gets a nerf 
In all seriousness though I'm surprised he got off free while LeBron is suffering
sand phoenix
like why did they nerf lebron tho
quiet flicker
no joker nerfs but lebron nerfs avarage mvs moment
sand phoenix
almost surprised they didn't buff the top five
viral saffron
What is the recommended perk set for joker
brittle zenith
What is the recommended perk set for joker
Doesn't matter
viral saffron
I've been playing everyone with Last Stand and Pugilist generally
I have no idea if Snowball Effect and Purest of Motivations do anything in 1v1s
viral saffron
Interesting
brittle zenith
Snowball is a constant 7% damage bonus because your opponent is always the highest damage enemy
viral saffron
That makes sense but I wasn't sure if there was different logic in 1v1
quiet flicker
just make sure you go jokers wild for free kills
viral saffron
Of course
Also that JLA series variant for Joker is god tier
Trying to find a variant for Joker that doesn't make me look like an edge lord is trying to find a bobby pin in a sea of knives
open jasper
What is the recommended perk set for joker
i go with default cuz i never knew how to use perks lol
fierce portal
What is the recommended perk set for joker
Snowball last stand pugilist :)
fair crown
And Joker has at least two different 0tDs
fair crown
I think its just confirmation bias since we have so many
They're spread between top tier and mid tier, like most of the cast
fair crown
Definitely a good argument for that
open jasper
What is the recommended perk set for joker
trying seems, joker wild card + fire + normal ones
fierce portal
After supermans getting shot every patch? 😭
fierce portal
Sure
quiet flicker
superman doing inifinte loop untill off the stage with 2 inputs trash character fr
broken rampart
I need some tips been struggling hard - currently diamond 5 in both 1s and 2s. More focused on 1s here, I feel like I get camped out every match. Every character I’m playing seems to have better / faster / less punishable approach tools and I’m just stuck having to whiff punish to get anything. That’s fine I’m used to footsies but doesn’t really work again characters like Arya, Finn, Batman, gizmo, etc who are just happy and better off camping anyways. I hear everyone saying joker is broken but I’m just not feeling it. Please someone lend some help so I can make it to masters for the skin 😭😭😭
fierce portal
You gotta weed out how they react to you approaching, whats their panic option after whiffing, do they jump a lot are they throwing out horizontal hitboxes and respond accordingly. From that, you can either pick up on the fact that theyre scared of falling back onto habits or that they havent quite caught on
And you approach their options accordingly
Layering is a p big part of joker in particular considering the diabolical reward you get off tagging someone
vast meadow
why does joker get a fast seeking aoe projectile with kill power
sand phoenix
cus he's da jokah baybe
quiet flicker
complete random chance too so you win because your lucky
brittle zenith
why does joker get a fast seeking aoe projectile with kill power
DC characters get to be broken free of charge
pale radish
Any combos
daring pumice
Hello joker players, im currently making a montage of joker (even though i dont play the character) and was wondering if anyone would be interested in watching when its finished
if so please dm me, i do plan to do every character eventually, joker is currently my 2nd of the 30 in the game
half gyro
who wants to watch a montage of the same touch of death over and over
quiet flicker
jabfishversus
quiet flicker
i think you could teach an Aİ how to play joker
like if offstage use cards than double jump back
if not in hitstun use jab if miss dodge if it didnt miss do the 0td
brittle zenith
Jokers utilt and uair are way too fast to be kill moves tbh
peak bone
There an active Character Disc Serv for Joker by chance?
If so please DM me the Inv.
inner wigeon
If you want to see a joker who can only do one combo and isn't very good at it, this is the place to do it 🤡https://youtu.be/w_AB29EO1Xk?si=8c8m3NvNWjWB3Ac5
wheat marten
give joker a new perk that allows his balloons to explode with gas once hit lol
open jasper
why so serious?
proud sky
i only have enough currency for one and im decided to buy joker or velma, i am completely non competitive player who just plays for fun; who should ib uy
quiet flicker
i only have enough currency for one and im decided to buy joker or velma, i am c...
joker definetly
velmas just pure suffering if your not playing 100% competitively locked in all the time
proud sky
i know velmas bad but i play pirahna plant in smash so
sudden dagger
i only have enough currency for one and im decided to buy joker or velma, i am c...
depends on what mode you play and if you have a duo
proud sky
depends on what mode you play and if you have a duo
very rarely have a duo, i do play 2s tho.
i never play 1s
shadow frost
Hello there plz someone tell me how to deal with harley queen
Im just starting the game and i dont have any clues on how to deal with massive agro champ (specialy queen)
Uh ?!
Nah i cant
Way too much fun
Bruh stop
I just need answers
Oh ok thx
So i just dont play joker against queen
Nice
Thx
What a prety well balanced champ
🤔
So what ?
Oh.
Mb
Didnt know
barren plover
Im just starting the game and i dont have any clues on how to deal with massive ...
just play passive and punish
and spam card
that’s what all jokers do
livid mantle
Can someone explain how you jab loop with Joker? I've seen people do like three loops without the opponent being able to escape?
fierce portal
Can someone explain how you jab loop with Joker? I've seen people do like three ...
Wdym
livid mantle
Wdym
I've seen people do a jab combo, then seemingly dodge to the other side and do it again, rinse, repeat
It also seems like the opponent can't get away until the damage is high enough to push them further back on the initial hit
fair crown
Can someone explain how you jab loop with Joker? I've seen people do like three ...
That requires Gizmo backpack
livid mantle
Maybe I was watching an out of date video then...
barren geode
Joker got crazy combos
barren plover
nerf this mf
barren plover
nerf the card
brazen ivy
Does joker have a touch of death?
fierce portal
Does joker have a touch of death?
If you DI wrong on some stages yh
Idk flat at 0 its iffy, 20-30 i can 100% kill on a fair few stages if they DI into up b
Not exactly a TOD but very easily a 2 touch
brazen ivy
When should I use ballon vs up air?
sudden dagger
you should mainly use ballon when your trying to kill and use up air to keep your opponent above you and for combos
dull tendon
how do you fight characters that outrange you
just fought banana guard + wonder woman and couldn't do a goddamn thing
quaint leaf
just fought banana guard + wonder woman and couldn't do a goddamn thing
Card into dash attack?
quaint leaf
The rocket launcher?
Also I feel like Joker has more range than both
Banana Guard probably has a further jab, yes
But dude is slow af
Just try to trick him into dodging into your jab
And do the Jonkler ladder combo
I guess
quaint leaf
i get what ur saying
Go for dodge reads
I mean that’s kinda advice for any character
But you’d have no idea how strong a dodge read punish can be when abused
So like go close enough that they can’t jab but they’re feeling threatened
Try to make them dodge
And basically study their dodge patterns
Then start conditioning them to dodge a certain way
And start punishing for it
fierce portal
how do you fight characters that outrange you
Hi
So you wanna play around their range and wait for them to do something
Like place yourself just out of nair range or if WWs swinging with fair jus dodge, wait for them to do something stupid, if theyre mashing and youre above them you slam a dair on em
You can use side b to proactively stuff options. Use it, or up air, to catch jumps and make sure that your opponent starts second guessing their neutral options
quaint leaf
Snuff?
quaint leaf
I was just seeing if it was like a typo or something
fierce portal
Stuff, snuff out
fierce portal
Caught between both
dull tendon
waiting is hard
im kind of a run-into-them type of guy for these 2d fighter games
even if it's a bad idea
quaint leaf
waiting is hard
I hate passive players
Like the obligatory dash dancing Jacks
That just spam dodge into jab
dull tendon
or people sliding offstage at high percentage
fierce portal
waiting is hard
Thats the game dawg
Sitting across the stage and pretending its neutral
quaint leaf
Sitting across the stage and pretending its neutral
Arya mains:
fierce portal
The sooner ya let it happen the easier it comes
quaint leaf
I always just approach
But since nobody expects Finn to do anything besides charge tilt
fierce portal
This is coming from like
quaint leaf
They always fall for a good ole side air fake out
fierce portal
Id consider myself aggro
fierce portal
But like for multiversus aggro can only be as much as like
quaint leaf
I wait for them to dodge
fierce portal
Aggro sonic
quaint leaf
And just dodge punish spam
Because they all dodge the same
It’s like a hive mind for MVS players
Dodge out. Dodge out. Dodge out.
fierce portal
And what happens when they dont
quaint leaf
Just switch directions
I don’t release jab until they’ve dodged
Or do anything for that matter
fierce portal
Thats
quaint leaf
Until right as the dodge ends
fierce portal
What my wall of text boiled down to
quaint leaf
Because they rarely risk dodging into an attack
When you’re already charging at them for some reason
fierce portal
Like
Thats playing patient, youre not creating space outside of movement and youre waiting for them to make a mistake
quaint leaf
Yes but I do that while actively charging at them
And it’s not the only way I approach
fierce portal
It dont matter what direction youre holding
quaint leaf
Sometimes I literally just jump fast fall jump fast fall side air
fierce portal
You are practicing the virtue of patience lol
fierce portal
Sometimes I literally just jump fast fall jump fast fall side air
That
quaint leaf
Trust
fierce portal
Is playing patient
fierce portal
Huh
But yeah especially as joker your main goal in neutral is to bait them into doing something stupid by playing slow and throwing cards until they blow a gasket
Since his moves are developed now you cant be throwing hitboxes like you used to
Side b can be thrown out to scare people and its a personal favourite and jab is saved for punishes
And dair is a brilliant counterpoke, if a harley decides to hail mary a dash attack or something equivalent to it you essentially get the same reward as jab
quaint leaf
Side special on Joker is so safe imo
Cause it takes priority on seemingly everything
fierce portal
Its pretty unsafe
quaint leaf
Unless the person spaces it perfectly
But in like disadvantage for example
You just get a f u because the Jonkler did a cane swirly thingy
fierce portal
A move isnt safe based on whether it beats moves or not
quaint leaf
My only saving grace is the Joker mains I fight are predictable
They all love throwing out card at the start
And I just high five it every time
fierce portal
You just get a f u because the Jonkler did a cane swirly thingy
Dawg
On whiff its a punish
quaint leaf
What
fierce portal
No
fierce portal
Nahnah
fierce portal
Anyways @dull tendon slow play is just jokers thing you can run at people but you can only really run to the point where you can jus whiff punish people
If you can force reactions you get to play advantage and jokers advantage is quite volatile
brazen stone
what was aerial neutral B for. the damage ain't great. Maybe for repositioning in the air, but is it good offensively?
quiet flicker
what was aerial neutral B for. the damage ain't great. Maybe for repositioning i...
you mean the flower?
brazen stone
you mean the flower?
yeah probably? whatever purple liquid comes out from his chest
fierce portal
what was aerial neutral B for. the damage ain't great. Maybe for repositioning i...
Breaks like any projectile in the game
quiet flicker
yeah probably? whatever purple liquid comes out from his chest
its practicaly a better sair with a better hitbox that breaks projectiles and it also shares its charge with downtilt so you can charge your downtilt on the ground and use it to get full effect without having to charge it in the air
prety damn usefull
fierce portal
Thats a bit wild to say but it certaiinly has a niche place
quiet flicker
i mean idk,even after allat its also armor break and applies ignite 🤷
fierce portal
Yeah which gives it vastly different utility
brisk heath
can we get rid of jerry in one hit with anything
With any amor break attack
marsh meteor
That message was like a month ago lol
stoic basin
guys how do you pogo close to ground
fierce portal
guys how do you pogo close to ground
How close
Like
Basically-on-the-ground is an IAD
Hold up forward, dodge an' press a button
fierce portal
I just said
brazen stone
What are my options when banana guard starts spamming side b on flat stage
quiet flicker
spam your extremely op touch of death combo 🤷 banana side b is extremely telegraphed and cant be cancled,dair him and go from there
stoic basin
how do you counter tom and jerry bro
you can't do anything against him
literally the worst matchup in the entire game
fierce portal
Words of the utterly insane
quiet flicker
i would agree on tj being op if it didnt involve joker
fierce portal
Wild
sudden dagger
his worst match up is definitely gizmo because stripe is an actual balanced character and gizmo is gizmo
brazen stone
is there any touch of death combo in current patch? like true combo with no escape window
broken rampart
I am once again coming to the discord for help 😭😭😭 what do yall do when someone is camping you?? Just feels like most characters have a better option to just stay away from the joker
quiet flicker
I am once again coming to the discord for help 😭😭😭 what do yall do when someo...
air side special prety much beats every other hitbox so its prety good to aproach with,also use the slide attack
quiet flicker
is there any touch of death combo in current patch? like true combo with no esca...
jab - jump - dair - dair spec - up spec/side spec depending on where they ran / maybe uair
this is like 70% dmg
fierce portal
Those are reliant on dookie DI btw
fierce portal
I am once again coming to the discord for help 😭😭😭 what do yall do when someo...
Joker gets to play midrange and throw cards to pester people, watch how they respond to fake approaches and swing when you feel confident
Just make them really frustrated in neutral
stoic basin
does someone have a clip with the justice league animated joker ? i want to buy it but i'm not sure i want to see it in game
brisk heath
This game dodge system sucks, compensating light characters for spamming dodges.
I hate fighting against a gizmo or stripe as joker. They are hard to hit.
I cant even start a jab
broken rampart
air side special prety much beats every other hitbox so its prety good to aproac...
Sadly I gotta say this just isn't true. Air side special actually feels horrible to use in neautral, espeically when someones camping. Either I do up variant and i'm above them and they can up air punish me before my down air or down special come out, i go towards and they just back up and jab punish, or down and then im stuck in the stage to get punished. It also loses hit boxes to most of the characters that are camping me anyways, like finn, arya, WW, Jack, tom, marvin, superman, gizmo, harley, rick (inconsistent) steven. Like it is not that good of an option IMO
broken rampart
Joker gets to play midrange and throw cards to pester people, watch how they res...
my only problem is what to do on cool down - typically when getting camped i feel like cards don't pester as much as something like jerry shot, morty side b, all of steven kits - etc. Just feels like the reward for it isn't as good
fierce portal
Yeah so jus play slow, and again wait for em to do something like morty wall
And whiff punish them, or call em out
brazen stone
you guys joker mains, what are your secondaries?
any recommendation for one with fun playstyle?
broken rampart
Joker gets to play midrange and throw cards to pester people, watch how they res...
Yeaaa this isn’t really helping , again other characters just have better options it’s feel. Even agent smiths has better options if he just decides to camp me. What does the joker do against this play style ??
fierce portal
You have movement and the best punish game
broken rampart
'best punish game' finn has a zero to death, tom, BA, Supes, Gizmo, etc have loops, many other characters have a better ranged jab, weather it be faster, further, or hits better... explain how i have best punish in game
And i'm not sayin it's not good, his combos are amazing, but 'best punish game' does not go to this character im sorry
brisk heath
you guys joker mains, what are your secondaries?
any recommendation for one with...
Marvin
Is my secondary
crystal ridge
This game dodge system sucks, compensating light characters for spamming dodges.
How u playing joker and still complaining like he’s not top 5
Yall are all scum btw if u main joker
fierce portal
And i'm not sayin it's not good, his combos are amazing, but 'best punish game' ...
Guess it dont matter when you apparently arent using it
Joker gets damage slightly lower than supermans average with an actual advantage state after it, a god-given advantage that someone like black adam only has in small flashes
No character is getting jokers reward off a hit which is why you can more than afford to match their pace
brisk heath
How u playing joker and still complaining like he’s not top 5
I didn't talk nothing about top neither I insult you personally.
crystal ridge
Yah don’t care scum
edgy grail
i wonder why more people dont use jokers counter, it works really well into a lot of moves
brisk heath
I found a joker combo that makes 57 damage and is completely true
fierce portal
Yeah
brazen stone
i wonder why more people dont use jokers counter, it works really well into a l...
the grounded neutral b? maybe the knockback scaling is pretty high and the endlag is a bit long
edgy grail
its good into telegraphed moves
like batman grapple, samurai jack side dash, etc
just dodge into it
brazen stone
oh you mean like it beats some enemy moves? i thought you mean it combo into a lot of moves
edgy grail
nah it deosnt really combo
brazen stone
i'm gonna buy the afterlife skin as soon as i got the beetle. it looks way better and more effort put into it than the circuit drone skin
brazen stone
the jab 1 and 2 are nerfed💀
crystal ridge
That’s what y’all scum deserve
fierce portal
No one knows you lil bro
fierce portal
Who
quiet flicker
All joker players a scum that’s final
erm,i think you mean ''all joker players are scum'' instead of ''all joker players are a scum'' 🤓
fierce portal
I think you mean all superman players are scum
willow jacinth
Guys guys chill we can all unite under agreement all Samurai Jacks are scum okay
brisk heath
Is funny how the only one joker nerf this patch is significant heavy.
Nah, is good but not broken. The character has been nerfed since released
No I'm not trolling, I just don't have the enough skill issue to say he is broken.
He is a very good character and that is good.
brisk heath
That's a complete lie, the character is completely overrated and people just complains.
Overall joker received 14 nerfs which include move lock-out, whiffs punish, reduced dodge distance, reduced knockback, on-hit branch window delays, cancel window delayed increase.
You state that joker has never received a nerf, which is a lie.
But he received two significant nerfs in the only issue he has.
Which is not 0 like you say.
Is not basically, you can't say basically if there is a state of real undoubted objectivity.
And that's all what was need, he is perfectly fine. If you have issues playing against him that's probably your own error.
That's not a small nerf, is literally his only big combo starter.
I play Marvin not joker dum dum.
Because I don't have any problems against him and I'm just interested in him.
I can freely defend a character without playing him with more strength since I'm not delusional with him.
I understand perfectly what's make him a "broken character". That's why I don't have problems with him, because instead of complaining I get better in the game. The character has a lot of whiff in it's attacks and is easily punishible. His projectiles are not even that hard to dodge to be consider a zoner.
I find this conversation not productive, all I can find is that you neglect yourself to get better into the game and complain about a character that is between the 3 top nerf character. I consider this nerf in this patch very significant and optimal and if you don't see it like that there's a problem.
And being a top tier means that's bad?
Why a character can't be simply good?
sudden dagger
Joker is dodging nerfs like crazy man
eager fossil
Who hired the balance team like actually what do they think they're doing
Nothing can stop the Jonkling
eager fossil
I find this conversation not productive, all I can find is that you neglect your...
L he deleted his messages lmao
Damn release my man zypten, all he did was call someone a fatty lmao
brisk heath
Yeah right, like people at this point are blinding hating joker without giving fair reasons more like demonstrating they have skill issue.
brisk heath
Damn release my man zypten, all he did was call someone a fatty lmao
He was a nice guy.