Joker

[brittle zenith]

Jason Voorhees is literally a stronger character

[jade hawk]

Not really

Rlly good air game

[brittle zenith]

False information

Joker F tier

[jade hawk]

Not really

He's really good, at least when I fight him, his up air kills early, and 2 of his attacks delete light projectiles

[brittle zenith]

Which ones?

[jade hawk]

D tilt and acid flower

[brittle zenith]

Dtilt IS a projectile

Pretty sure the flower is also classified as one but it might not be idk

[jade hawk]

It doesn't look that way

[brittle zenith]

Not at all, but it is

It triggers flammable

[jade hawk]

I finally finished grinding rifts to get joker

Now I'll 2 do dairs and never play him again

[brittle zenith]

He's a mage because half the attacks in his kit are counted as projectiles but none of them actually look like projectiles

[brittle zenith]

That's allegedly bugged

And you need to use down b

But Jokers also a lot of fun and BWL is dripped out of his mind

[jade hawk]

Bwl?

[brittle zenith]

Batman Who Laughs

[jade hawk]

Oh batman who laughs

[jade hawk]

I'll just do 2 and I'll never play him again probably

I did it! Now Im never gonna play joker!

[brittle zenith]

Go back to playing Joker

Play only Joker

Purchase the BWL skin and cook everyone in 1s

[jade hawk]

Nty

Grinding was literal torture and brainrot

I need ✨nourishment✨

[brittle zenith]

Jokers jab is actually ridiculous

[brittle zenith]

I love how Joker can only be punished by zoners or WW when he's burnt out of dodges because his side b has a giant hitbox and no whiff

[random mulch]

dodge into joybuzz is kinda schnasty

[wind shell]

you can whiff punish side b. i do it all the time

[orchid bolt]

u cannot

if you "whiff punished" it u just threw a move out while side b was still out and risked a trade
as soon as that cane finishes spinning I'm good

maybe it's like technically a whiff punish since they missed and then you hit them but it's really not, the joker just sucked
before the nerf u could really just do it again and be safe still 💀💀💀

joker side b is top 5 most free moves in the game but if Tony asks it doesn't exist

[wind shell]

idk what to tell you other than youre wrong lol. i whiff punish it all the time

[wind shell]

lol do you understand what youre saying here?

"since they missed and then you hit them"

thats exactly what a whiff punish is buddy

[orchid bolt]

i mean they should've dodged bro

[wind shell]

do i need to show you a clip of it happening or something?

[orchid bolt]

the only way they're getting hit is if you both throw your moves out at the same time which isn't exactly what a whiff punish is

[wind shell]

it has recovery. do you play this character?

[orchid bolt]

i would say yes but im pooping and i don't care

so ur right im wrong

[wind shell]

yeah seems like you really dont care after that whole paragraph of yapping

[orchid bolt]

my controller started working so now i can finally do down inputs again, need to get more joker in before the nerfs

[orchid bolt]

it's just nt really worth the argument, i said u got it whyre u still pressed 😭

people don't even wanna win they just wanna argue

[wind shell]

well its not the first time ive seen you talking out your ass on here. but glad we could come to the understanding you dont know what youre talking about

[orchid bolt]

ur beef with me is one sided
here's a hug brother 🫂

until they nerf it (more) im gonna keep using side b unchecked by 80% of the roster

u do u

[brittle zenith]

Its crazy how my opponent was in burn out and I attacked him IMMEDIATELY after his side b finished and he still hit me with another side b

[wind shell]

you didnt time it properly then. it actually has a good bit of recovery

[brittle zenith]

It doesnt. My joker is level 14, I have enough time to know his kit is almost impossible to whiff punished without one of the faster characters

[wind shell]

we can test it out if youd like. i whiff punish it with jabs all day long

[brittle zenith]

Batmans jab just aint got the range ig

[wind shell]

go into training mode and see for yourself. whiff a side b and dodge immediately

i play batman lol. it does

[brittle zenith]

Thrn im screwed over by the game being funny and letting my attack whiff after going through my opponents skull or something

[wind shell]

weird, works fine for me

[brittle zenith]

Its a constantly reoccurring issue and I've genuinely lost stocks for it multiple times

I've even had my jabs just drop enemies half way through and die because of it

[orchid bolt]

hey man, ur talking out ur ass to the guy who doesn't play joker at all about the character you solo main

[brittle zenith]

I mean not solo main, I still have a special place in my heart for Shaggy and Batman was my favorite character when I was a wee lad so I have a special place for him too

But Joker is by far my most played this time around

[orchid bolt]

(i was more referencing me using ur convo as an example but i fw batman too)

[wind shell]

if anyone wants to prove me wrong i can show you

but you can just see for yourself if you go into training mode and dodge immediately after side b. theres a recovery window

[orchid bolt]

i don't really think that its enough time for a lot of the roster to get anything off, especially on reaction
and if it wasn't an issue at all it wouldn't have been touched in the patch

[wind shell]

weird, i do it consistently online in latency. but we dont need to talk about what you think. i can just show you in 5 seconds

but what do i know, i dont play the character lol

[orchid bolt]

u don't

[wind shell]

well whenever youre online hmu

[orchid bolt]

bet ig

does anyone know if dair is guaranteed off of jab 1 2?

when i was playing Jake i met a joker who did it off jab 1 and 2 repeatedly, but in my own games i only pulled it off at lower % a few times and they flew too far the rest

[wheat marten]

Anyone feel that joker jab 1 gives the good suck? It feels like sucks you in even if you're an inch away . Or it could just be bad netcode

[brittle zenith]

If you're quick enough and they're close enough it is

I think IAD will guarantee it hits

[orchid bolt]

yeah it pulls in

[wheat marten]

PFG please that fish really be suckin me an inch away

[brittle zenith]

I fought a Joker who exclusively fished for jabs to set up dair so jab 2 should combo into it consistently if you do it right

[wheat marten]

Just had a thought that they literally fish for jabs, because a fish is part of his jab

[brittle zenith]

Not if you're the BWL

[wheat marten]

whats he got instead? Is it just crowbar?

[brittle zenith]

Chain and sickle

He doesnt use a crowbar

All his crowbar moves are replaced with a sickle, his fish is a chain, and some other attacks have different VFX

[orchid bolt]

so much effort went into that skin

as cool as the animated series batman is i can't even tell when people have it on with the way outlines are glitched

it's basically an epic skin on the same level as killing joke joker

[brittle zenith]

Turn off outlines

Its so much better

[orchid bolt]

it's still glitched, everyone is completely red

except fern skin, no idea why

[brittle zenith]

Ahh team colors you mean?

[noble mural]

I need that batman who laughs skin so bad

[brittle zenith]

It's so peak

[noble mural]

I will be at around 85k prestige points when i will complete whole bp so i guess i need to throw a little $

[orchid bolt]

if ur still on i have a few minutes real quick

[stray gulch]

Did joker combos get nerfed with latest patch btw

If so which are the new ones

[undone tinsel]

Just one so far: air side b got whiff punish endlag

[brittle zenith]

No

Season 2

Season 2 BP

Save the gleamium from this one for premium 2

[brittle zenith]

All the same, just cant loop jab

[undone tinsel]

It’s the fortnite way of doing things

[noble mural]

I already have 1300 gleamium from events and yt stream codes and Twitch drop

So when i will buy 2200 gleamium and buy 1 legendary skin i will have enough for season 2 bp

[brittle zenith]

Dont waste your money

The games going down a dark path

Its not looking good

Your money wont last you until the winter at this rate...

[noble mural]

20 bucks is not really that much but i will think about buying gleamium maybe i will have enough without buying

[brittle zenith]

Its a lot when its just gonna disappear in a week and be meaningless

[eager fossil]

I need 2,000 more prestige coins to get it.

[mellow thicket]

Plz nerf

Joker is so boring to fight good lord

Every Joker just corner camps and prio spams side special

Just side special jab corner side special jab corner balloon side special jab corner

[sand phoenix]

I've been trying be actually unique and I've been using grounded down special a bunch, the canon/jack in the box
people don't always expect it

[mellow thicket]

I wouldn't

Every Joker fights the same and spams side special

[sand phoenix]

it is effective I'll give it that, but it was mostly helpful against stripe sometimes, had just enough range to beat the chainsaw if I timed it right

I really do try to make use of more then two moves but sometimes those two moves on characters are just insanely busted

[brittle zenith]

Skill issue

Just get better

At the video game

[proud radish]

Uh ohhh

Someone's been using Brand X!

[brittle zenith]

Jokers neutral game relies on side b and jab having stupid range

[sand phoenix]

can't argue that, jab does seem to hit real good

[brittle zenith]

His dair is really thin, wont work well in neutral
Sair is okay but if you whiff it you're cooked
All his specials except air side b practically require a combo to hit

Neutral b on the ground is funny in neutral ig

[proud radish]

Feels like his hitboxes need a balance pass honestly

Some are over generous (Crowbar air and ground, lingering hitbox on Sair), some are ridiculously small (pogo, joker venom, flower spray)

[brittle zenith]

Joker venom? You mean the handshake?

Because the handshake is meant to be like that
And I think dairs hitbox is balanced because its spike is ridiculous

[proud radish]

That's The Joy Buzzer, Joker Venom is his down Special where he releases a small cloud of Joker Venom but the hitbox is tiny

[brittle zenith]

Thats not joker venom

That's just a gas cloud

Laughing gas

Or something

Joker venom is what you get when you kill the Joker and his heart releases EVIL toxin that turns you into the next Joker (its where the Batman Who Laughs comes from, basically)

[proud radish]

The Gas he uses is literally called Joker Venom xd

[brittle zenith]

Fake news

[proud radish]

Would you like a comic reference? Joker Venom is a toxin that Joker manufactures himself which can be in a concentrated form (Kills someone with a concealed palm needle covered in Joker Venom in the killing Joke) or in a Gas form which causes people infected to Asphixate from laughing themselves to death.

Batman Who Laughs Joker had infected Batman with a different strain of Venom that universes Joker had prepared after setting Batman on a path to break his no kill rule

The Gas form of the Venom Joker used during Death in the Family in an attempt to kill the UN

[sand phoenix]

I do find it funny that the batman who laughs, to my understanding of course, is a result of one of the few times batman broke his rule

like damn bro, unlucky

also I did a couple joker matches vs wonder woman, no expects that cannon, it hit basically every time lol

[proud radish]

Yeah the RPG is a really good Edge Guarding tool or controlling space in combination with playing cards

[sand phoenix]

nah not the RPG, altho that also is a good move, I mean the down special curtain that has the jack in box or cannon

the cannon is also decent for edge guarding since it has a decent hitbox on it

[brittle zenith]

Meaningless, anyways the small hitbox is accurate to the visuals

[proud radish]

Always funny when they are trying to spam certain moves and get a Cannon shot in the face

[sand phoenix]

I kept hitting her with the cannon and I think she gave up cus she let herself drift into the bottom blastzone

[proud radish]

You called it Fake News

And the hitbox is actually on his Wrist not the cloud that comes out his Palm

Same as it is with Pogo starting at his feet not the stick base

[brittle zenith]

Down b is something you'll probably combo into with dair first anyways, the small hitbox is fine

[sand phoenix]

#clips message

[proud radish]

Dair also has a small hitbox, so against smaller bodies it's often preferable to Side Air Special and when it confirms, dodge cancel into a Dspecial Crowbar combo

[orchid bolt]

i thought that was flower acid

The cloud is laughing gas and the flower is flower acid

[austere salmon]

dude whoever invented that zero to death actually get shot in the street

[orchid bolt]

which one are you talking about

idk if anyone "invented" any of them, joker can just casually ladder you to the top blast zone with a lot of routes

[eager fossil]

Aaaa finally have the man who jonks skin

[proud radish]

His 0 to Death upair ladder is funnily enough, one of the easiest to escape

When someone says hold down and push away

It's not a joke, you will slip out of the combo

If you're at 50-60 though, you're probably dead if you get laddered

[solid brook]

Needs a nerf

[pure hemlock]

who wins taz vs iron giant

[brittle zenith]

Buff*

[brittle zenith]

Does Joker actually have any downsides to his kit other than grounded down b being useless?

[sudden dagger]

some moves have small hit boxes

that’s really it

[brittle zenith]

Name 3

[sudden dagger]

down air
Handshake
Air Down special

even then all these moves are still good

he barely has any flaws rn and the ones he does have are extremely minor

[brittle zenith]

Handshake is MEANT to have a small hitbox, it doesn't count

Dair just has a thin hitbox, it's still longer than most uairs and up bs

[eager fossil]

Batman

[orchid bolt]

down air is as big as a truck, handshake is more about timing than hitboxes, and down special is def small

[proud radish]

So Since Joker Got Batman who Laughs

Think Batman needs an Owlman skin

[peak heart]

Does anyone know any joker true combos? Just started playing him yesterday cos I got the Batman who laughs skin and I’ve been doing pretty good just with basic combos but I was wondering if you guys had any advice

[nocturne sierra]

jab 1, jab 2, dash jump down air, down special, then depending on percent either another down special or up air

[sullen geode]

Yes plz

[jade tide]

Perk me up Jonklers what perks should I be running?

[cosmic stump]

i think ima have to leave being a joker main

to be someone better

a velma main .

[noble mural]

I just realised today u can do jab, handshake but it doesnt work on every character i think

[brittle zenith]

Wild card, the rest are personal preference

[jade tide]

Cool thanks

[brittle zenith]

Joker's utilt being faster than Batmans jab is actually ridiculous

[cosmic stump]

ive never done this before

i made a WW just straight up quit after 1 knock out

like she didnt dc she ran off after 1 combo and a whiff

[sand phoenix]

get em good

I did a match where I bullied a superman, got two KOs and he just disconnected

[cosmic stump]

is it still possible to side Attack side attack into dash side attack? or is it not really something that will work unless they forget how to dodge

like just rinse and repeat side attack them in 1 spot

[royal ivy]

^ this

its wont work

unless you are against a nugget

[noble mural]

Just 20k prestige points more for that sweet skin

Am i the only one that is struggling with fighting morty with joker?

[eager fossil]

Yes. Sepcifically the one from the crisis movie and the VA returning to voice mr. Nothing matters

[royal fox]

Y'all are all carried

[royal ivy]

just picked up joker

can confirm

[noble mural]

Tbh im only playing joker because i like him and he got badass prestige skin.

I dont care if he is top tier

[sand phoenix]

I usually play joker cus I just like hearing mark hamil as the jonkler

[royal ivy]

Joker lowkey dominated frostiverse

https://x.com/FrostEsports/status/1803472193122189588

[proud radish]

Uh oh

He's not happy.

He's been using Brand X!!

With new and improved Joker products I get a Grin again and again!

[cosmic stump]

🥱 buff joker

Nerf Velma

[orchid bolt]

Ur carried

[cosmic stump]

bro this whole time i thought i was dropping my combos

but its my joy stick T.T

its buggin man, every time i try to charge my down attack it teabags

[eager fossil]

Same with the Man who Jonks skin. Roger Craig Smith is amazing

Hope we get a Batman skin for him to voice too.

[sand phoenix]

is the batman who laughs voice actor confirmed yet actually, or are pfg just not gonna tell us lol

[eager fossil]

It is Roger Craig Smtih.

[brittle zenith]

Joker is actually so busted it's not even funny

Such an easy character and so ridiculously overpowered

[marsh meteor]

don't say that bro, because then when i lose to random finns in bracket i have nothing to blame but myself

[noble mural]

Ww is even more busted

[brittle zenith]

She's not

Joker is easily the best character in the game rn

He has nothing but giant hitboxes, 0tds, the best jab in the game, some of the strongest kill moves, one of the best and most versatile projectiles, he's insanely fast, etc.

[noble mural]

Joker card is kinda wild sometimes can clutch a match

[orchid bolt]

bro fought a joker as a low tier 😭

i think rick has the best jab in the game but jokers options out of his also amazing jab are just better

u get hit by that fish and it's just over for you

[brittle zenith]

Joker has more reach and more options from his jab

His is definitely better

[brittle zenith]

Not fighting Joker has a high tier is an auto loss ong

[orchid bolt]

Rick is shaped like this . and his jab hitbox is this 🔴

i don't know if it pulls in like joker jab tho, idk what they were cooking when they designed a big fish that Yanks you inward so u can do any followup regardless of distance

if they made it send forward or do nothing like half of everyone else's jab 1s it wouldn't cripple him but it'd be a substantial nerf

[sour blade]

This guys nair needs a nerf

Him and bugs

[brittle zenith]

Jokers nair is like the least problematic piece of his kit

Also, aren't you a WW main?

How tf you struggling with his nair as a WW?

[sour blade]

Its busted lets not be bias

Yall act like ww is allat

[brittle zenith]

This isn't biased lmao

His nair is NOT that great

You actually suck if it's an issue, especially as WW, who is literally immune to it

[orchid bolt]

Dragging it

unless it's another move you're confusing with nair

[brittle zenith]

The only move I could think he would confuse it with is sair but Jokers sair isn't that ridiculous

[orchid bolt]

yk what im for it

[sour blade]

Fasho

Dragging it?

[orchid bolt]

nerf joker nair and don't touch anything else

[sour blade]

Thank u

Im tammat that one move he has

The spin one

I could be getting it confused

My bad

[orchid bolt]

With the cane?

[sour blade]

Yea

[brittle zenith]

That's his side b

And yeah his side b is ridiculous

[sour blade]

That bullshi

[orchid bolt]

yeah that's busyed

[brittle zenith]

Busted ass move

[sour blade]

Yea wtf

Nerf that

[brittle zenith]

I love chaining 3 side bs and then getting a free stock !!!

[sour blade]

Even yall know

[orchid bolt]

endless 0td machine

[brittle zenith]

It's because unlike WW mains, we're not unfathomable downplayers

[orchid bolt]

i love accidentally doing ztds bc my normal combo routes just happen to carry to blastzone

i honestly think adding real blast zones would nerf joker

[sour blade]

All yall do is side air up tilt into baloon

All game

Yall think thats funny

[brittle zenith]

It is

[sour blade]

When is not

[brittle zenith]

It's genuinely hilarious

[orchid bolt]

it low-key is

[brittle zenith]

Joker is the funniest character in the game

[orchid bolt]

died at 0? Shouldn't have gotten hit

[brittle zenith]

So true

Just parry fr

[sour blade]

Just parry

k

[orchid bolt]

How dare u play jokers game

this belongs to him

[sour blade]

Cant even edge guard em

[orchid bolt]

edge guard? U can't even juggle him

throw out a follow-up move while he's in the air and see if down special doesn't take you to god

unless you're WW, she can do whatever she likes to whoever

[sour blade]

Does his down still break ww up specially

Special

[brittle zenith]

WW literally has the best edge guard tool in the game and it's also the best kill move in the game

She's busted

[sour blade]

Bro

I get that

But we cant sit on the sidelines and keep watching joker be untouched

[brittle zenith]

She has negligible whiff, no endlag, the best kill move and edge guard tools in the game, tons of armor to make her immune to damage, etc.

[brittle zenith]

WW and Joker are getting the same treatment

Read the patch notes

[sour blade]

Fasho

[brittle zenith]

They said they acknowledged them being strong

Ofc, that means nothing because its PFG and the hardest nerf any character has ever gotten from them was 2 extra whiff frames and 2 less damage on one of their attacks

[sour blade]

Ww is fine

[brittle zenith]

Wrong

[sour blade]

Just get good

[orchid bolt]

maybe they were fr this time

i would be down to buff everybody to joker level and just have a game of ztd offs

[brittle zenith]

Just get good, losing to Joker as WW is embarrassing

Honestly losing as WW is embarrassing

[sour blade]

Aint say i lost they just annoying

[brittle zenith]

She's the best character in the game for a reason 🤷‍♂️

[orchid bolt]

if u winning u should be happy

[sour blade]

I had to resort to side air

Spam

[brittle zenith]

I would NOT be down to buff everybody to Joker level and just have a game of ztd offs

[orchid bolt]

i would

would be hilarious

[brittle zenith]

Crazy how you can win by spamming 1 attack and still call other characters OP

[sour blade]

😂

Alright

But yea buffing everyone to joker level is a good idea

[brittle zenith]

Crazy how buffing everyone to Joker level would STILL mean nerfs for WW lmao

[orchid bolt]

jokers still playing the beta

[sour blade]

Whats yall top 3

[brittle zenith]

WW, Bugs, BA
Joker in like top 5 some where

[sour blade]

Whos ba

Bro what

[brittle zenith]

Black Adam (best character in the game since beta ong)

[sour blade]

Oh yea i main him too

Personally like him better than ww

Bro really put my second main in top 3

Fck no

[brittle zenith]

Curse of being a meta slave

[sour blade]

Nah hear me out

I picked black adam cuz he looked cool and had an auto grab

And same for ww

She had a grab lasso so i was like ok

Only reason fr

Didnt kno they would turn out op

[orchid bolt]

black Adam has so many bad players that the really good ones can sneak past nerfs

[sour blade]

Bros hitboxes are crazy

I hit a side air not even touching bro and he go flying

[brittle zenith]

Black Adam is the only top tier that isn't brain dead so his WR is poor because bad players do what bad players do best and lose

And that gives BA a way to evade all nerfs

I bet PFG balances based on WR

That's why Reindog has been receiving nothing but nerfs

He has the 2nd highest 1s WR rn

[sour blade]

Whos wr

[brittle zenith]

Win rate

[sour blade]

Oh

[orchid bolt]

If they did my buddy Jake would get buffs and a whole compensation package for all his players

[sour blade]

Jake in beta was crazy tho righ

[brittle zenith]

Jake some how having a lower WR than Velma is baffling

[orchid bolt]

Jason players are learning and he's left Jake alone in the 30% range

[brittle zenith]

Deserved for being the strongest character in the beta though

[orchid bolt]

He sucks they gutted him

[brittle zenith]

Good

[orchid bolt]

Jake is cool tho

Jake the dog

[sour blade]

Unpopular take tho but remove joker

[orchid bolt]

i would settle for mid tier Jake i don't even want old Jake back

[sour blade]

You would be under jakes skateboard all game

Bro was a menace

[sudden dagger]

I finally got Batman who laughs

[sour blade]

Ok?

[orchid bolt]

congratulations 🎉

i will join you soon

I may wait to see if they add more prestige stuff

[brittle zenith]

BWL NOW

[sudden dagger]

I’ve heard the prestige store might change each season but that might just be a rumor

[sour blade]

It should change wtf

Same stuff everyday

[brittle zenith]

What if they did this crazy thing called leave everything there and just add new stuff though?

[sour blade]

Oh that works too

[orchid bolt]

i wanna wait but it would also suck if bwl left and the next skin is reindog voiced by Chris Pratt

[brittle zenith]

Chris Pratt going "Woof! Woof!! Arf arf! :3" would be so peak

[proud radish]

If we nerfed characters based on what the average Discorder wants, we would all have basic attacks with no range and do 0 damage.

[atomic tiger]

What perks y'all take?

[sudden dagger]

Wild card, flammable, last stand/airwalker, pugilist

[atomic tiger]

Snowball?

[sudden dagger]

flammable gives you more damage if you can follow up on cards

[atomic tiger]

I see thanks

[nocturne sierra]

You don't even need cards for flammable to be good

You can get ignite mid combo because down tilt counts as a projectile

[atomic tiger]

Which one do u think is better in general

[nocturne sierra]

Which perk?

[atomic tiger]

Yah snowball or ignite

[nocturne sierra]

Definitely ignite

[brittle zenith]

Flammable without a doubt

Snowball is pretty useless

Only time I use it is when the character I'm playing doesn't benefit from flammable (like Shaggy, for example)

[mint geyser]

why is that good

how

it's just bad balancing

[brittle zenith]

Jake mains deserve it

[mint geyser]

nuh uh

[brittle zenith]

Punishment for playing the most OP character in the game all beta

[mint geyser]

you forgot about harley

also jake recieved some decent nerfs during beta

longer whifflag on the stretchy fist, the axe was short (dumbest nerf ever), hurtbox on the fist

[brittle zenith]

Harley was never number 1, not with Jake around

Maybe when she had her infinite ig

That thing was actually vile

[mint geyser]

she was wayyy too good all around

definitely the most annoying character to play against

[brittle zenith]

Nah

Jake was stronger

She was number 2

[mint geyser]

bugs was also up there

[brittle zenith]

Absolutely not

Not after all his nerfs

[mint geyser]

yeah jake wasn't either after his nerf

[brittle zenith]

Jake was top 1 since day 1 all the best players agree on it unfortunately

[mint geyser]

i mean there were little players at the very top using jake

mostly bugs, superman, batman

1v1s at least

void's tierlist from 2 years ago put jake behind 11 characters

hungrybox had 5 characters better than him

batman, finn and bugs were consistently in the topmost ranks

[orchid bolt]

we should get back to that, makes the most sense

this joker nerf better be 1 damage off side b per hit

[brittle zenith]

I love how Joker has 50 0tds and can win off of "getting lucky"

Fair and balanced game and PFGs balance team definitely isn't braindead

[sudden dagger]

I love having to pray that I don’t get unlucky each time a joker throws out a card

amazing perk design

[brittle zenith]

Great game

[dense chasm]

Finally bought this clown f***. Need to know what perks to buy.

I say finally because i've been grinding too damn much for that dreaded 6k FC.

[brittle zenith]

Wild card is extremely broken, flammable is decent could also run snowball but it wont give as much damage bonus, speed force or last stand maybe the dash attack breaking armor in certain MUs, and pugilist

[sudden dagger]

wildcard, flammable, air walker or last stand, pugilist

[brittle zenith]

Ban airwalker

Airwalker is for

Stinky

Stinky smelly people

[sudden dagger]

I don’t personally use it but I can’t deny that it’s good

[dense chasm]

How is Wild Card broken?

[sudden dagger]

kills you at 70-80

[dense chasm]

Oh.

[sudden dagger]

has tracking so it’s extremely easy to hit

[brittle zenith]

It's a random throwing card that deals 10 damage, breaks armor, homes on to your opponent, and kills insanely early

[sudden dagger]

deals 10 damage

[brittle zenith]

It's a brain dead attack and rewards the player for "getting lucky" basically

[dense chasm]

Oh.

[brittle zenith]

Garbage game design

[sudden dagger]

rework wild card

or at least nerf it

[vernal stag]

this character cannot be real

[brittle zenith]

Perfectly balanced compared to Bugs

[vernal stag]

bruh this dude is like a beta character but in the current version

unpunishable

[brittle zenith]

Okay but if Bugs hits you one time you lose the stock

[vernal stag]

lets just bring back superman supremacy

[sudden dagger]

my favorite bugs combo

n-air into n-air into n-air into n-air

[vernal stag]

like this dude is actually so infuriating you can literally use the same move over and over and there's just not a thing anybody can do about it

[brittle zenith]

At least he isn't Bugs who ACTUALLY wins with 1 move

With Joker, at least you can maybe parry the second or third uair, with Bugs, you either parry the first nair or you lose the stock

[sudden dagger]

both of them should get nerfed

the fact that side special can combo into itself is madness

[eager fossil]

I just play Batman

[brittle zenith]

Good to hear

[patent marlin]

Why don't I see many Jokers use their down special much?

[brittle zenith]

They're stupid

Unless you mean grounded

In that case, its useless

[patent marlin]

I did mean grounded, and that's kinda a bummer, the attack seems funny. .3.

What's it's aerial version?

[brittle zenith]

Gas grenade

Part of a 0td

[atomic tiger]

Yo can I get some key combos for joker, I hear he takes "no skill" n all but he's not very intuitive so far

[tender bloom]

Going from superman to joker

Is life changing

[brittle zenith]

Jab combos into your whole kit

Best jab in the game

Insanely broken

Dair > down b > up b > uair is a true 0td

Side b can be changed 3 times and then followed up with uair, another 0td

So yeah jab combos and 0tds

Busted character, insanely free honestly

I'd say he might be the easiest character to play rn

[undone tinsel]

He's top tier and super simple, yep

[mint geyser]

fr? no chance of dodging?

[brittle zenith]

At lower percentages on heavier characters you might be able to avoid the up b but even then he can just use his side b and carry you up anyways

I think up b into uair isnt ALWAYS true

But side b into uair? Basically never misses

Busted character who kills too easily

[proud radish]

fun fact, he has a true kill combo that starts jab jab

jab jab, gdown (teeth) up special, Upair up special up air, it will kill from 0

reason you use the teeth is they have a vaccum effect that bounces them toward the Joker lining them up perfectly for the up Special

[orchid bolt]

yes

[stray gulch]

Chat

What do you edgeguard with on joker

Bazooka seems pretty bad for it

Grounded down special literally noone uses

And pogo feels risky

[dense chasm]

I use bazooka or fast drop air side special.

If they jump over me either up special or up normal.

[stray gulch]

My edgeguard bazooka literally always misses its wild

[dense chasm]

It's situational. Needs to be used if someone is hugging the wall.

[sand phoenix]

the hand buzzer might be a good edgeguard tool, but I suppose it does depend
I actually use cannon too sometimes pfft

[dense chasm]

Is jab jab down normal up normal true?

I know it misses on higher percents.

[stray gulch]

Chat how do you usually treat morty matchups. I frequently struggle to get in with earth spammers

[brittle zenith]

At higher percents, just 1 jab will work probably

Dtilt has set knockback

[peak heart]

It’s crazy that jab into neutral special works every time lol

[noble mural]

Yeah first jab is pulling them towards you so its basically guaranteed hit

I wonder if it possibile to do 0 to death with jab,jab,pogo,air down sp,jump,air down sp,neutral dodge (air walker),jab,neutral special.

[drifting tide]

the nerf is coming soon

[ripe juniper]

The Joker is going back to Arkham

[brittle zenith]

That 2 less damage on dair will be devastating for the Joker

[primal burrow]

How on earth do I play this character correctly? Playing him feels like rubbing sandpaper on my hands and playing against him feels like swiming through molasses

[brittle zenith]

Fish for jabs if you wanna play passively (nerd loser way) approach with side b if you wanna play a bit aggressive but keep it safe (second best method) or approach with dair and ridiculous movement tech for some silly aggressive gameplay (cool awesome fun way)

[noble mural]

Im struggling againt finn players any tips?

I feel like they always one step above me

[wheat marten]

Wait until the inevitable Finn nerf 🙏

[noble mural]

Yeah but i feel like its on my end because im using wifi and there is input lag so nothing i can do about.

Maybe i will invest to powerline adapter because i cant connect with ethernet in my room unfortunately

[wheat marten]

oof, yeah ethernet is probably best used for this game if you wanna climb.

Finn is gonna get nerfed though, he hasn't been touched in these patches and he still had a ToD

I wouldn't sweat it too much until next patch notes come up

[royal ivy]

not easily

easily is anything but true

the top 4 are really close

Joker ww shaggy and ig all have an argument for top 1

[brittle zenith]

I wouldn't say any of these 4 are even close to top 1

Not when that stupid Shazam wannabe is walking

[royal ivy]

Black adam?

He isnt even top 8

not after dair loops are gone

[brittle zenith]

Dont matter BA braindead broken ong

[royal ivy]

Okay you are coping ill leave you to that

Black adam poops on my main and im not even saying that

[brittle zenith]

Who's your main?

[royal ivy]

marvin

[orchid bolt]

black adam poops on everybodies mains

every group has this convo and someone says "hes not op its just a bad mu"

if hes a bad mu for most everyone thats a good character 😭

[brittle zenith]

BAs worst matchup is an even matchup against BA

[royal ivy]

Joker WW Shaggy IG Morty Steven Gizmo and Bugs are all better

[orchid bolt]

your character is not alone in its struggle, he just actually takes 4 braincells so you don't see good ones often

[carmine vigil]

I wouldn't say IG is top 4, especially in singles. The best 4 would be Black Adam, WW, Bugs, and a tie with Finn or Bugs with the free cooldowns on pies and faster cooldown on safes/rockets.

[royal ivy]

Im sorry but thats objectively wrong

you are free to your opinion but finn ba and even bugs in tourney have been almost absent

bugs is still top 8

But top 4 is everywhere

my top 4 and most players top 4 that is

[brittle zenith]

Bugs players on their way to play a character with a free infinite off of one move and still suck ass at the game

Playing Bugs and losing is so embarrassing

[royal ivy]

Bugs is great he just slightly loses to every top tier

But destroys anyone below him

[orchid bolt]

u will see the light

[royal ivy]

Im confused

[orchid bolt]

inshallah

[royal ivy]

Ive talked to carry greet mirrorman and g3 about it and they agree at least mostly agree

like

🤷‍♂️

[orchid bolt]

the truth will find you, inshallah

[royal ivy]

okay

[brittle zenith]

They're wrong and unenlightened

[carmine vigil]

Homestly Joker would be top 4 if they fixed his hitboxes for certain moves like his DAir Special and DNeutral Pogo. His Ground DSpecial is meh in 1v1 and while fun in 2v2 it's only able to go off with a WW harrassing the team/shielding.

[royal ivy]

joker is top 4 undisputed

He is constantly taking half of every top 8s spot

[carmine vigil]

And I think the charge Balloon Perk should increase the hitbox a bit proportionate to the charge. Right now its just a little bit of extra air for too much risk.

[brittle zenith]

Joker does NOT need to worry about his hitboxes LMAO

He has ONE (1) small hitbox move, the rest are massive

The only small hitbox move he has is handshake, which is meant to be small

[carmine vigil]

By that logic Steven would be Top 4 with how hard Nakat, Void, and even Hungrybox hyped them.

[royal ivy]

He has the second best jab in the game a huge up tilt and up air faster than many jabs in this game

and it kills

[brittle zenith]

I'd give him the best jab

[royal ivy]

Shaggy has the best jab

[carmine vigil]

And Steven is decent but not the god tier everyone hypes him to be.

[royal ivy]

Steven is top 6

maybe 7

[brittle zenith]

Shaggy's jab has less than half the hitbox and doesn't pull you in from across the map

[royal ivy]

Um

it is pretty big

faster

[brittle zenith]

It's not big wtf do you mean

[royal ivy]

and kills above like 40

its bigger than you think

[brittle zenith]

I have to kiss my opponent or it whiffs

[brittle zenith]

That's not because of the jab, that's because of up tilt and up special having ridiculously high kill strength rn

[royal ivy]

which is because his jab combo has way to much hitstun

[brittle zenith]

Jokers literally sets up his true 0td and all his best kill moves

[royal ivy]

Jokers jab kill confirms are more di able than shaggys no offense

and arent nearly as early

Shaggy jab is beyond ridiculous

[brittle zenith]

Shaggy's jab isn't as good as Jokers

[carmine vigil]

I do think Joker is better than Shaggy, especially since his Ground & Air SideSpecial punishes most of Shaggy's attacks with the right spacing.

And Slide Cancelling into Up Neutral/UAir tricks them out of the knee or kick.

Though most Shaggys start wall hugging to get a free Stop Camping/Angered when they're losing to Joker as Joker loses the wall climb/punish game against him.

You can bait a whoopie or 3 card punish but it's still risk to do so for a simple time scammy tactic all Shaggys do.

[undone tinsel]

Joker's my highest leveled character and most of the games I have on him are PvE

He cheeses rift stuff so easily lol

And he can often do the node stars by himself

Need a Human, DC, and a Detective? Easy, just pick Batman!

the one who laughs

[brittle zenith]

Human DC Detective Villain

He covers all grounds

[undone tinsel]

He really does

DC is like the most common one too

Along with Looney Toons, followed by Adventure Time and Scooby Doo

[brittle zenith]

Pretty sure Scooby-Doo is the smallest group

Or GoT actually

[undone tinsel]

It's mostly Rift Detectives that has it I believe

Or only that one

There's a few of them that need a Scooby Doo rep

Which is obviously meant for Velma canonically, but Shaggy's right there lol

Who isn't a miserable character to play in 1s

Anyway, I like Rifts for getting me to expand my roster. Lo and behold, my personal least favorite character to fight against is fun to play as, lmao

[orchid bolt]

dair hitbox is too big already
down special hitbox being small is good balance

and its really not even small its just positioning

[orchid bolt]

if i had bwl it would take out 4 of my missions at once

[barren plover]

Guason

[carmine vigil]

Honestly I bought BWL though I feel it's a snooker since they really wanted you to get beach Harley for Surfs Up Missions.

[solid brook]

Can’t wait for this nerf

Half of joker kit shouldn’t be hitting me at all

[carmine vigil]

As it seems Detective Rifts are meant to be replayed between Shaggy and one of your free characters while Costume/Character Lock events are made to for the event mission skins or gouge you to cash shop a skin.

[orchid bolt]

when joker becomes respectable again i will not feel horrible playing him

week 1 when nobody knew he was busted it was fun hitting ztds and side b spam
now it's tired and it's happening to me

😭😭😭

[eager fossil]

No griddy emote yet 😔

[brittle zenith]

"Again" is a crazy statement

[noble mural]

We will see in next week when balance patch notes gonna drop but rn ig and joker are broken af

[orchid bolt]

it was respectable when i could lie about it bc no one had him 😭

[undone tinsel]

Honestly same? It’s not fun maining a popular top tier

Unless you just love the character ofc

You hop online and everyone has nothing but complaints for your main

[jagged spindle]

uh huh

[brittle zenith]

Wow really got me there with the troll message LMAOOO
Anyways didn't you die to the diamond card at 100%? Major skill issue honestly, atp just delete the game

[jagged spindle]

ah yes a good move killed me at 100?

a fast projectile that kills killed me at 100 isn't that crazy

[brittle zenith]

His diamond card is garbage 😭

[jagged spindle]

?????

[brittle zenith]

Getting killed by that is insane, I've only ever been BARELY killed by it at like 180 as Batman 😭

It's cool for applying a tad bit of pressure ig but otherwise ass

[jagged spindle]

ut literally kills the entire cast at 100

go off though

[brittle zenith]

You suck lmao

[jagged spindle]

buddy doesn't play the game enough to understand

ita actually a good perk

gladly 1v1 u tho

🙂

[brittle zenith]

Oh you mean the Joker card?

The actual strong card?

The only one that actually kills?

[jagged spindle]

bro didn't even know that u could change cards by crouching

u realize having s projectile that kills is goos

[brittle zenith]

Nvm you mean the diamond card LMAO

[jagged spindle]

in any fighting game

what are u smoking

[undone tinsel]

okay dang i didnt even know that lol

[jagged spindle]

the animation is him changing cards

it actually shuffles it

and mortys crouch regens his dodge faster

[undone tinsel]

Oh that's sick

[brittle zenith]

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/i8ZfFEJwHXWF9xcg1/d1337izrkOXK?invite=cr-MSxleTcsOTc0MjQ2MzUs @jagged spindle wow that diamond card sure kills early 🙄

[undone tinsel]

No wonder I see Jokers crouch a lot

[jagged spindle]

actual skill issue it killed at 100 with di

maybe u just suck

:shrug:

the explosive one kills

from.the perk

[brittle zenith]

That ones random LMAOOO

You can't shuffle that one

You know nothing LMAOOO

[jagged spindle]

I never said that dudes making up.shi-t for attention

I know u don't get enough at home

I csn tell

u need a daddy little bro

I bwt if u go to the adoption center you can get one

[brittle zenith]

Hey man not my fault you don't play the game, I sometimes find myself not playing it either

[jagged spindle]

is funny cuz u admitted u don't play the game

then act lime u know everything

same person who complained about reindog and velma fyi

bottom 3 charecters fyi

when he plays top tiers like joker

then proceed to down play joker and complain about bottom tiers

😭

[brittle zenith]

You're so mad

Keep crying

LMAOOOO

[jagged spindle]

Lmaooo all he can say cuz I'm right

what a clown

[brittle zenith]

You're mad LMAOOOO

[jagged spindle]

all you can say cuz I'm right

[brittle zenith]

You're crying so much

It's so funny

[jagged spindle]

ur the one crying about bottom yiers

go off though

LOL

[brittle zenith]

I hope they nerf Joker in a fair and balanced way and dont just instantly gut him and make him the worst character in the game

[orchid bolt]

i just found out balloon ride doesn't take away dodge frames

The roundstart ones

[ripe juniper]

What does that mean?
Do you get I-frames on the startup of balloon if you start it while dodging?

[orchid bolt]

not round start, i was mid game typing that

if you lose a stock you get those I frames until you attack, but riding balloon doesn't count as an attack somehow so u can do it and keep your frames

[quaint shard]

ok i have enough fc now to buy joker. do i do it or do i get 2 other characters

[sand phoenix]

depends, you have your eyes on joker or someone else

[brittle zenith]

BWL skin is insanely fire just saying

[quaint shard]

i don’t have enough prestige 😭

[brisk heath]

This character is pay to win, Jesus Christ, the reason they don't nerf it is because they want you to buy him.

[brittle zenith]

They will nerf him soon quit whining

[brisk heath]

Wow, didn't expect someone of this thread would actually agree with joker to need a nerf

[sudden dagger]

nah I’m a joker main but I’m not delusional

He definitely needs nerfs

[sand phoenix]

the chad "my main needs a nerf" vs the cringe downplayer

[brisk heath]

What's the most broken thing joker has ?

[sudden dagger]

air side special

it carries people to the void its a great combo tool and it’s amazing in neutral

it literally does everything and more

[brisk heath]

And up neutral? Now I understand why that darn thing killed Jason Todd so hard.

[sudden dagger]

Up tilt to is really good

[brisk heath]

I hate the combo with that and up special.

[sudden dagger]

but side special does so damn much in one move

[brittle zenith]

Buff his side b

[brittle zenith]

Yeah Joker mains are the only people who play a top tier and don't down play 🗣️
Joker mains better fr (I also just wanna play the BWL without feeling like a cheater)

[sand phoenix]

I hope they fix the BWL skin
nothing wrong with the skin itself but the vocals are all out of wack
I only noticed recently but he's much louder then everyone else

[sudden dagger]

I can barely understand his voice

like the effects they put in his voice make it so I can’t understand some lines

[sand phoenix]

the list of things they need to fix

• He says the wrong voice lines for the wrong characters
• related to that one but they also sometimes just straight up don't match the subtitles
• and lastly, his voice lines are louder then everyone else, you turn voice lines down and he still sounds like hes at full volume

really wacky

[sudden dagger]

I think when he’s against any bruiser he says lines meant for black Adam

because I haven’t heard anything else when fighting a bruiser

[sand phoenix]

which is funny cus then he never says the lines for batman cus he says that for everyone else

[sudden dagger]

he can’t see who he’s fighting with the mask one

[sand phoenix]

truuue

he just says things meant for batman hoping he's fighting batman, but then the one time he is, he talks like he's fighting black adam
get rid of that mask man, use your eyes

[undone tinsel]

Darn, can't play gifs lol

[brittle zenith]

Embed fail, you're cooked

[undone tinsel]

ya

guess ill die

it was a velma gif lmao

[soft raft]

It's funny seeing a joker crying about shaggy's ftilt like bruh

Your ftilt hits from behind and it's also a kill confirm, a combo confirm, it's broken

[brittle zenith]

Jokers nair is only killing if he gets lucky or has a wild set up/snipe (or you're at 500%) dawg what are you crying about

Jokers nair isnt bad but its not anywhere near as good as Shaggys

Gives him a lot of mixups though thats fun

[soft raft]

Nvm I was talking about ftilt

Editing rn

[brittle zenith]

Ftilt? Jab? Jabs busted yeah

[soft raft]

Yeah jab

[brittle zenith]

It pulls you in and has a massive hitbox, sets up all his kill confirms

Shaggys jab is also broken though

If Joker gets hit by jab at like 60% or something like that, he's dead

Joker at least needs to get you to around 100% to kill (unless he abused a 0td)

[soft raft]

I think it's more of his dodge + how easily he can follow with his kill moves

But just alone the jab of joker is craaaaazy

Most of the times I don't even think he is going to hit me

But guess what...

[brittle zenith]

Same with Shaggy

Shaggys gets him more free kills though

[brisk heath]

You think they should remove the hitbox in his back when joker does he's jab? Because I consider it a little unfair, is very complicated to punish joker in the ground when even after a dodge he still hits you to start a combo

[brittle zenith]

They should remove nearly all the hitboxes that hit behind the character

[brisk heath]

What list of changes you would do to the joker? Taking in a count you already said that his special forward aerial is broken?

I think that the only reason they don't nerf joker this season is for not desmotivating people into buying him. I

That's the thing right?

[brittle zenith]

No it's because they're slow at balancing

Nobody has been significantly nerfed or buffed yet tbh

[brisk heath]

Iron giant and gizmo says the opposite.

[brittle zenith]

Gizmo is still busted and Iron Giant was literally unbeatable

If he hit you, you lost

[brisk heath]

Gizmo aerial ndown can hurt you from a kilometer away.

[brittle zenith]

More whiff on most of his attacks, hitbox nerfs, less knockback on his Joker card from the perk, maybe less damage, jab not dragging you straight into him from any distance because that's just ridiculous, and a bit more start up on his air side b so you can't chain it into itself 3 times

[brisk heath]

I saw many times that joker can semi-infinite his jab into dodges.

[brittle zenith]

Not anymore

No one can loop jab because they changed it so if you dodge out of jab you can't attack immediately

You can use IAD though so Joker can do something like jab 1,2 > IAD dair > jump + down b > side b > uair

[brisk heath]

That's nuts, I would put in matches to see how cruel that can be.

[brisk heath]

I would also add joker not having projectile priority with his darn cards because I can't bare that his cards are not destroy with most projectiles.

[brittle zenith]

his cards are the same tier as batarang

Light projectiles

they get destroyed most of the time

[brisk heath]

I don't have the same much with characters like Velma or reindog, those are my mains.

Well who I'm joking, Velma has issue as a character in the first place.

In that case they should buff Velma.

I guess.

But still gets me mad when jokers projectile has priority over me.

[brittle zenith]

They shouldnt

except maybe the joker and diamond card

i think theyre medium

id be fine with making diamond light

[orchid bolt]

Just wait a few days to see the balance patches before you buy a character

[brittle zenith]

They're not nerfing Joker LMAOO

[orchid bolt]

it would suck to buy a good character and they get nerfed into the ground, or a bad character you enjoyed gets buffed but now you don't have FC

[brittle zenith]

The game will be dead by then anyways

[orchid bolt]

by next week? 💀

[sand phoenix]

the numbers are going down for sure, but I wouldn't call it dead just yet

[brittle zenith]

Yes lmao

The games already close to dead

Barely has more players than NASB

And I doubt people enjoy how some characters just guarantee a win by being present in the match

[orchid bolt]

that game and it's sequel have a combined 60 players online

ur slightly exaggerating

the player count is declining but it's doing around the same or better than the other new fighting games out rn

except street fighter their numbers are crazy

[brittle zenith]

That's what happens when the devs are semi-competent

[orchid bolt]

i think the main thing is it dropped in a great state balance wise and they didn't have to touch it for a year

which is the exact opposite of MVS situation

they had a year and we came back to a mess

[proud radish]

Mirror is a Bugs main, he's always going to defend his main

[little root]

what does it mean to create a jack in the box with joker

[sudden dagger]

Down-b neutral?

[brittle zenith]

Playing Joker should be classified as cheating and get you banned tbh

[vernal stag]

imagine playing jason into joker

like what are you even supposed to do

[sudden dagger]

give up honestly because the joker, Jason matchup is like 90/10 because joker exploits all of Jason’s weaknesses

[brittle zenith]

Joker MU for everyone is 90/10

[vernal stag]

Bro could whiff 3 attacks and then punish you with his 4th for daring to try to punish his first

[drifting tide]

I have never lost to a joker player but stay safe

[orchid bolt]

who u play

[brittle zenith]

You've never played a good Joker

If he hits you with jab, you're dead

If he hits you with side b, you're dead

If he hits you with dair, you're dead

If he hits you with down b, you're probably dead

[drifting tide]

you = / = me

[brittle zenith]

Bro thinks he's him

[drifting tide]

i am

[brittle zenith]

I wanna see how this Joker immune fella plays
Wanna run a few 1s?

[orchid bolt]

i think its very funny that all of jokers main tools just lead to instant death at any% and this guy says hes never lost to one once

[brittle zenith]

Jokers actually really underpowered and bad ! 0td doesn't mean anything !

[orchid bolt]

sometimes true tods sometimes reads required
but literally like 5 or so moves he wants to just throw out 20x in neutral get him a free 0td

and bro never lost once

bot lobbies or bro has never fought a joker ever

[brittle zenith]

Joker card is so busted

I can be losing by the biggest margin imaginable but I "get lucky" and boom, free kill

[sudden dagger]

I just got hit by 7 wild cards in a row

my day is going great

[brittle zenith]

Bluds gotta be cheating 😭🙏

[sudden dagger]

I hate that stupid perk because I went I use it I get a wild card 1 in every ten games but when I fight it I get hit by it 3-7 times

Like I have to be the unluckiest joker

or it’s karma for playing joker

[vernal stag]

approach from above

hit by pogostick

i hate this character

[brittle zenith]

That's literally every character rn

The devs are stupid and can't make functional hitboxes

So everyone hits behind them

Or above

Or below

They all have 360 hitboxes

[vernal stag]

looking at bugs, who approaches from above with bat >.>

like this dude just gets everything

50 dmg combo that potentially kills, kills heavy at 100 off jab, no punish, superb dodge (i can never hit jokers for some reason???)

projectiles that kill

GOD IT'S JUST MORE JOKERS

[brittle zenith]

Dw we'll be getting a balance patch in less than a week now! Devs only waited until 99.99% of the player count abandoned this garbage game!

[sudden dagger]

they waited a month to actually balance the game

[vernal stag]

lowkey just money grubbing. They make joker busted af so that they can reap people paying his 6k cost

the real question is how did they make jason in the same patch

[orchid bolt]

Jason was free to beta players is who cares about balancing a free character

same reason banana guard can kill mid screen with just fair

[vernal stag]

ok i mean tbf banana guard really isn't that strong. Like he has busted killpower but you can sort of play around him

joker on the other hand is like

his neutral is so advantageous it's as if he's always in advantage state

it's so bad to the point where if he misses his jab he can literally jab you again before you can punish

[gloomy orbit]

i hope joker doesn't get nerfed straight to nothing

[orchid bolt]

he's simple

[vernal stag]

both his strength and weakness

[orchid bolt]

let's see

[solid brook]

GOOD RIDDANCE

[quaint leaf]

Make down special useful

It’s literally useless rn

[orchid bolt]

jab nerf is solid

[quaint leaf]

Having a longer jab than disjoint characters is crazy

[orchid bolt]

was a big fish

[quaint leaf]

I know

[orchid bolt]

i don't think that even kills my ztd route if you just can't down special into down special

[eager fossil]

I guess Joker is no longer laughing now.

[sudden dagger]

what were the changes

I missed the preview

[eager bay]

^

[sand phoenix]

I don't remember all of em, but I do remember that jokers wild (the rng perk) is getting nerfed/reworked

[sudden dagger]

thank Christ

is the patch tomorrow?

[sand phoenix]

I believe so

[orchid bolt]

Lockout on down special and up air

[sudden dagger]

which down special?

air?

[orchid bolt]

air

trying to stop ladders but i don't see how that does tbh
maybe it means different than i think

will have to see full list

[sudden dagger]

like more end lag on down special I guess

[gloomy orbit]

bro

joker got nerfed

ggs

[soft raft]

Nice

[brittle lava]

Thank God 😭

[sudden dagger]

Chaining side specials is dead

thank Christ

[grizzled otter]

Not enough nerfs

[gloomy orbit]

??

he got nerfed right to the ground

[brittle zenith]

LMAOOOO

No he didn't

He got a slap on the wrist

[gloomy orbit]

???

[brittle zenith]

He's staying in the top 5 for sure, might even stay in the top 3

[brittle zenith]

He cant chain side b and he has to actually hit jab

[gloomy orbit]

but thats enough to mess a character up badly

[brittle zenith]

Not a character who's whole kit is strong lol

He still has the best jab in the game and he'll probably still have multiple 0tds

[brisk heath]

What did they said about joker?

[sudden dagger]

The Joker
• General
• - Ground side dodge distance reduced 10%
• Ground Side Attack 1
• ~ Hitbox size adjusted so it is less likely for The Joker to hit enemies behind him
• - On-whiff branch window delayed 4 frames
• Air/Ground Neutral Attack
• ~ Diamond card now properly comes to a stop after colliding with terrain
• Air Up Attack
• - Now applies repeat-move lockout for 8 frames
• - On-whiff branch window delayed 4 frames
• Air Side Special
• - On-hit branch window delayed 10 frames
• Air/Ground Up Special
• * Fixed an issue where riding the balloon would immediately ringout the rider
• Air Down Special
• - Repeat-move lockout increased to 15 frames from 8 frames
• Joker’s Wild Perk
• - Knockback scaling reduced to 21 from 27

[brisk heath]

Oh dude cool, where can I see all thise balance changes.

[sudden dagger]

in the patch notes channel

[ripe juniper]

It's joever

[eager fossil]

They should put the "Your parents are dead and I'm still laughing" as an emote

[undone tinsel]

You guys will be fine =3

He’s still incredible

Very small nerfs all around

[marsh meteor]

side b chains were a crutch, character is still fine for sure

[errant wraith]

so does he still have that easy 0td?

saw they nerfed repeat moves but it's 4 different moves for one of the 0tds

[crystal rampart]

Glad to see joker still good tbh

[nocturne sierra]

Joker players are probably gonna have to learn more than one combo now

[brittle zenith]

Jab 1,2 > dair > down b > up b/side b > uair

[brittle zenith]

Joker and WW: 2 best characters in the game
Nerfs they receive? Light slap on the wrist. They continue being among the top 3.

[gloomy orbit]

so joker is still good now?

[brittle zenith]

Very lol

Bad balance patch

[barren breach]

he feels weird to play now

like everything almost connects but doesn't

I don't think he's anywhere near as good as he was tbh

the small differences make fighting certain characters near impossible

[gloomy orbit]

he feels weird to use ngl tho

[barren breach]

exactly

people say he's still top x but honestly in like 2-3 days I think people are gonna say he's just like

good but not great

compared to fighters like arya and morty who can play keep away he doesn't have much potential in those mus

[gloomy orbit]

yo anyone wanna do some rifts

[brittle zenith]

Nope

He's easily top 3 still

They took away 1 of his multiple 0tds

And he doesn't hit jab when he visibly whiffs

Thats not enough to drop him by much

[barren breach]

he doesn't have 0tds? none of them are true lol

and its also not those that are problems in the nerfs

its the lack of connections between his moves now

the added lag even when you don't whiff

compared to a character like finn or morty there's no comparison

[brittle zenith]

They are lol

[barren breach]

no they aren't 😭

[brittle zenith]

Crazy how I have done them!

[barren breach]

crazy how I've also done zero to deaths! crazy how even when I hit them they're all di dependant and rely on the opponent being a rock!

crazy how just because you hit it in training mode on a non moving character it doesn't make it true!

[errant wraith]

To the joker, none of those things are crazy

[wheat marten]

To the Joker, Crazy Frog is just a regular frog.

[orchid bolt]

Crazy...

I was crazy once

[orchid bolt]

also joker still has ztds, arya air walk got gutted, and Morty will be morty

[barren breach]

mv players need to learn what a 0td is 😭

it isn't a 0td unless it's true

[orchid bolt]

these nerfs didn't really hit joker hard enough

and if they can't dodge out with or without di it's true

they can't click their heels together and get out 😭

[barren breach]

but they can, and "the 0td" doesn't kill at 0 lol

there's a reason joker isn't viable in the tourney meta and the way this game is balanced is for 2v2s

[orchid bolt]

the patch killed like one route and helped with spam

[errant wraith]

jokers been dominating 1s tourneys

[orchid bolt]

and joker is a top presence in tournaments
he's cleaning 1s tournaments out

[barren breach]

it more just killed how fluid he feels and his kill power lol

[barren breach]

never seen him in a tournament above top 8 😭

[orchid bolt]

and 2v2s he definitely isn't bad

[barren breach]

I've only seen aryas wonder woman's and Harleys lol

[orchid bolt]

then u might be Stevie Wonder

[sudden dagger]

joker is like beta Batman where he’s pretty good in 2s but a god in 1s

[barren breach]

I need yall to show me some tournaments where he's winning grands because I want to study them

I've looked them up multiple times and came across nothing

[orchid bolt]

there's not even any convincing in this, if you haven't seen any jokers in top 8s you just aren't looking 😭

[barren breach]

and yet I'm still not being sent vods...

[orchid bolt]

and im still not sending them

[barren breach]

cause there isn't any 😭

[orchid bolt]

if you tell me the sky is red im not writing you a doctoral thesis on why you're wrong

go look for yourself

[barren breach]

if I say the sky is blue while you believe it's red I can't convince you with your eyes closed

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[orchid bolt]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

everyone else is just lying
there are no joker 0tds, there are no joker top 8s, jokers not a problem and never was