ww is easy to use
#Wonder Woman
bitter obsidian
Wr is always a factor they use to decide buffs and nerfs
Yeah but she isn't even the most played
bitter obsidian
There are multiple other heroes with higher play rate then her
midnight vine
then there's value
blazing lark
bitter obsidian
And he has a 48% wr
bitter obsidian
Just because she is "entry" doesn't mean she doesn't receive nerfs
Banana guard is way more entry then her
Has the most simplistic kit of anyone
And he will still see nerfs most likely
midnight vine
no it's not
bitter obsidian
😭😭
How
Banana guard is literally a free character for everyone
If that's not an entry character idek what is
And has the easiest kit of anyone
midnight vine
you think mvs wants banana guard as the face of the game?
bitter obsidian
It's the character they chose to give everyone for free
midnight vine
like you think mvs you think banana guard?
bitter obsidian
I don't think we either
Ww
But they chose to give away bg to everyone
Not ww
midnight vine
they market ww on everything
bitter obsidian
"Entry" characters still receive nerfs and buffs like all other characters
Just because she is on a marketing ad doesn't mean she won't get nerfed that's a horrible excuse
bitter obsidian
Wr is a very much used stat to determine buffs and nerfs 😐
midnight vine
if there is an actual ranking
like when ranked is out
and if it's skewed on the highest level
bitter obsidian
I can't think of a game where someone with a 60% or almost 60% wr in a fighting game doesn't receive a nerf just because
bitter obsidian
They aren't gonna wait until ranked
That's months away
Wouldn't make any sense to have no balance changes for months
midnight vine
lool i think you saying this will manifest this it's just not going to happen that way
tidal sapphire
Her win/pick rate in tournaments gonna be another factor too. I don't know anyone who thinks she isn't top 3
midnight vine
^^^ that's a big factor
on the highest level they factor those
but not raw numbers
because the skill variance is too wide
ww is meant to be good
that's her role
she's not the best at anything but good at everything
flat gull
As someone who has played Wonder Woman enough times in both the beta and launch, as well sat through 8 rounds of garnet (me) vs a Wonder Woman player in a semi toxic match today (idk it got kinda chill the last couple matches); if she isn't broken then I still think that Wonder Woman is AT LEAST a top tier pick, is really freaking good overall with no major weaknesses and can be really annoying as well
midnight vine
As someone who has played Wonder Woman enough times in both the beta and launch,...
i think she's top 3 100%
i don't doubt that
i just don't think she's an outlier
where you remove her from the game and they need to fix her
i.e. ig
flat gull
Why did they remove iron giant again
bitter obsidian
They wouldn't remove her from the game just nerf her some
Ig only got removed because infinites
I mean let's go over her kit she has
- Hyper Armor that barely any other character has
- Very good recovery abilities
- No cooldown lasso for range
- Ability to destroy any projectile in one hit through multiple attacks/abilities
- Can create shield/hyper armor at any time
- Bubble to destroy projectiles while also shooting one
- High speed even though she is a tank class
- High survivability that usually sees her over 150 dmg since she is a tank
- Great damage dealing abilities and melee that has decent hitboxes and range and ways to kill early
- Armor break on multiple attacks
- Able to give allies shield instantly and platform creation
- Dash that breaks all projectiles
midnight vine
so your point?
midnight vine
let me ask how much of an outlier is she in comparison to the best characters?
bitter obsidian
If anything were to get nerfed it would be her defense abilities
Wdym?
She is technically sitting at #2 rn
midnight vine
how much better is she in comparison other characters
bitter obsidian
That's a solid stat for a fighting game 😐
midnight vine
no it's not
bitter obsidian
How
midnight vine
the skill variance
bitter obsidian
😭
midnight vine
why is yoru so garbage on lower ranking but a high winrate in immortal+
bitter obsidian
Usually getting nerfs geared towards lower elos
Yeah ww is a high wr in both though 😐
midnight vine
no it doesn't it's the opposite
bitter obsidian
In casual and in comp
midnight vine
it doesn't matter
bitter obsidian
Why do you think she sees good tournament play
midnight vine
she's meant to be a good character
flat gull
Most characters by default are meant to be good but not op. Some of them just end up being designed better than others at that.
bitter obsidian
She isn't the face of multiversus
Bugs is literally the main view character on the menu and in some ads
midnight vine
Most characters by default are meant to be good but not op. Some of them just en...
exactly it just happens that ww is an all-around character that's really working under the engine that the new mvs has
if ww is an absolute power house
then i can see what this guy is saying
they will nerf her but not by much
bitter obsidian
She is a powerhouse
midnight vine
like a small hit maybe the reverting the laso
bitter obsidian
?
flat gull
She isn't the face of multiversus
But she is part of the DC trinity of Superman/Batman/and well… Wonder Woman. Which could probably mean something if the devs specifically want certain characters to ALWAYS remain good
midnight vine
bro when you look at the freaking logo who do you see?
this guy is trying to convince me it's banana guard
like why am i even debating with him
....
bitter obsidian
bro when you look at the freaking logo who do you see?
Bugs is literally in the main view..
I'm saying banana guard is an entry character since he was given away for free
Is wonder women free?
midnight vine
who cares do you see how much they monetize everything
flat gull
I’d argue it’s Batman and shaggy who are the main characters ngl
midnight vine
first character that's free is jason
bitter obsidian
I’d argue it’s Batman and shaggy who are the main characters ngl
Yep
midnight vine
is jason the main character?
bitter obsidian
Ww actually has almost 0 images or ads with her being the focal point
Batman, shaggy, and Bugs have the most
bitter obsidian
is jason the main character?
Jason isn't free
midnight vine
huh?
bitter obsidian
You have to have the pass to get him
So anyone who didn't play the beta has to buy the pass to get him
flat gull
Wonder Woman is still significant enough to warrant the devs potentially wanting to keep her always good. Also she’s supposed to be “recommended” aka a beginner character
And a good beginner character probably shouldn’t be dookie dogwater at the very least
midnight vine
^^ exactly
bitter obsidian
They threw that out the window with making every character cost the same
flat gull
They threw that out the window with making every character cost the same
That’s just how video games work nowadays
And WB being greedy
midnight vine
bro is saying we should all play bugs and just throw rockets at one another forget every tech they built within the game just throw safe and rockets
midnight vine
cause you keep on insisting things that are unnecessary
like wr% on raw data does not matter
it just doesn't
bitter obsidian
Ok so when I said she also sees high tournament play and placing you said that also doesn't matter
midnight vine
you listing a bunch of things she's good at not the best btw doesn't matter
that's her niche
bitter obsidian
Huh
She literally has the best hyper armor and shield
And projectile destruction
midnight vine
you saying she's not an entry cause she's not free like there's no insane monetization on the game already is ridiculous
bitter obsidian
Yeah usually a game has a "starter" character"
As of rn that's banana guard who was given to everyone for free
He also has a simple kit that any player can get used to
How is that ridiculous
midnight vine
again... why do you think pfg cares?
bitter obsidian
What?
midnight vine
that's you just complaining
lilac cosmos
again... why do you think pfg cares?
PFG should want their game to die 🗣️
bitter obsidian
PFG should want their game to die 🗣️
Yeah apparently 🔥🔥🔥
No balance updates bring back ig
midnight vine
PFG should want their game to die 🗣️
lol that not on ww it's the monetization and the general gameplay that's doing that
flat gull
I see banana guard as just one of the many freebies being given out as “treats” for us to stay enticed in the game despite the crazy monetization and not because he’s a start character. Pretty he’s rated “medium” difficulty anyways. Pretty sure. Could be wrong.
bitter obsidian
Well he seems like the only free character rn
flat gull
Shaggy is free
bitter obsidian
And is 2nd most played with the highest wr%
flat gull
Shaggy has always been free
bitter obsidian
Everyone seems to be able to use him
lilac cosmos
lol that not on ww it's the monetization and the general gameplay that's doing t...
Nah balancing plays a part
If new players feel forced to play OP characters to not lose every match instead of playing who they want, they quit
midnight vine
Nah balancing plays a part
If new players feel forced to play OP characters to n...
breh modern gaming has been that way for a while there's no such thing as balance
bitter obsidian
😐
midnight vine
i wish there was
flat gull
I think in the beta shaggy WASNT free and you had start out with the 4 randomly selected characters for the rotations
midnight vine
but this guy making a big deal on a 57% wr like that's not even unrealistic balance nowadays
lilac cosmos
breh modern gaming has been that way for a while there's no such thing as balanc...
Indie games > triple A games rn tbh
bitter obsidian
but this guy making a big deal on a 57% wr like that's not even unrealistic bala...
When only 2 characters out of everyone have above 50% that's an indicator
midnight vine
Indie games > triple A games rn tbh
this is an old game but this is the current wr of this patch
not that far off from mvs
and this is an old game that updates every 2 weeks (monthly nowadays i think)
for balancing purposes
lilac cosmos
Thats not even the same genre
midnight vine
not the point we are looking at statistics that works on games
bitter obsidian
😭
midnight vine
i can pull up other games that's even worse
lilac cosmos
Never even met a dota player either
midnight vine
no clue what that means
but that's a highly accomplish game that mvs would want to replicate
in terms of business of course
bitter obsidian
Not when it's not the same genre..
flat gull
DOTA is like 100 times more monetized (somehow) I think
But all the characters are free as well
midnight vine
nah i use to play like years ago they only sell skins
and battle pass
it's just a good site the only thing i can think of that's free where you can see raw stats
that's why i present it
flat gull
I mean, when you say skins I just get reminded that DOTA is a valve game that didn’t die out and I just assume they keep dropping skins
Or have some kind of GAMBLING 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
midnight vine
yeah the way they do it is just smart
there player base is huge though in comparison to a niche game like multiversus
even now i'm pretty sure they are beat
yeah it's not even close
multiversus is the second page and it's a new game lmfao
but to be fair it doesn't count the console gamers
so i guess you can x2 that number to find a general idea
bitter obsidian
Well we are getting down to the remaining people after week one
Almost done week one and the drop is 66% of players
On steam
Lots of Xbox players can't even play still sadly
midnight vine
yeah they really messed up
i really like this game too
btw to make it clear
i do think they will nerf ww
but it's going to be something that will underwhelm you
where it will barely change that number that you are looking at
like if you see 57% i'm betting it goes down to 54 the most
so it's going to be some minor hit
the only thing i see a big hit with her if people start hitting lethal off of jab below 30%
lilac cosmos
Just go back to the balancing in the beta
It was unironically better
There was a definitive meta sure but they weren't killing anyone at 60% with no way to fight back
pine gull
Mojo really ruining my options to get on stage safe
austere crypt
There was a definitive meta sure but they weren't killing anyone at 60% with no ...
Jake and Superman were top 3 for this exact reason
hybrid vortex
link do discord server for ww?
pine gull
Shi is gone to the void bro
surreal pecan
Mojo really ruining my options to get on stage safe
Understandable, sometimes get eliminated by bombs or Mojo laser
hybrid vortex
Shi is gone to the void bro
well ig we should make one then?
pine gull
I would but I dunno how to manage a disc server
pine gull
Nice 
pine gull
It auto gets deleted lol
olive shale
How do u guys approach the marvin and black adam matchups in 1v1s? I'm only having problems with these two and it's bothering me. With marvin I feel like his projectiles and gun make it hard to get in and with adam it feels like he's so much faster in air.
Especially adam I feel like I'm being punished for playing passively but also punished for trynna be aggro
I hate black adam
hybrid vortex
DM for wonder woman server ig
austere crypt
How do u guys approach the marvin and black adam matchups in 1v1s? I'm only havi...
If only WW had an anti projectile move that also pushed her forwards
(use side special )
And try to whiff punish them
Don't forget as WW you're more unapproachable so if you find an opening somewhere it'll be a W
wide crane
braindead character, I play her with half brain cell
light sapphire
s tier character
sturdy citrus
How do u guys approach the marvin and black adam matchups in 1v1s? I'm only havi...
marvin along with tom and bugs just don't get to play the game if you're using side b right, shouldnt be an issue
olive shale
marvin along with tom and bugs just don't get to play the game if you're using s...
"Shouldn't be an issue" until he's approaching with down air along with his projectiles so you either eat the shot or lose neutral 😭
I hate marvin
I needa play against him more cuz I feel like I'm missing sum
sturdy citrus
"Shouldn't be an issue" until he's approaching with down air along with his proj...
down b buff and air side b
prisma geyser
Sup wws 🙇♀️
sturdy citrus
and yeah, it turns into a 1 player game if you're countering the projectiles
you can cancel side b on proj block, so use that to wiff punish
ww is hard to approach for most mages, so worst case just camp him out
olive shale
down b buff and air side b
Every time I used down b he'd save his rocket and go for that multiple hit kick or just not approach and gun it was so annoying
sturdy citrus
was gonna ask for the replay but the removed that!
olive shale
Or down special I'm used to smash terms
light sapphire
S+ Tier pfp
Ty
olive shale
was gonna ask for the replay but the removed that!
See this is exactly why we need it I feel like I could've learned alot cuz this marvin was nuts
sturdy citrus
if he's mashing projectiles, just hold side b, and if he goes to approach just whack him out of the air
if you're struggling to approach grapple over lasso could be helpful
lasso into shout also kills stupid early and you shouldnt have trouble charging bracer vs marvin
gaunt kestrel
What sig perk do y’all use
sturdy citrus
kinda mu dependent for me
i personally cant get shield to work and they ruined whip by not allowing it to still be a lasso on the sourspot
grapple has some nasty combos and im trying to learn to use it more
but well rounded is perfefctly fine
lilac cosmos
kinda mu dependent for me
Fym MU dependent dawg this mf has nothing but winning MUs 😭
sturdy citrus
lmao if you need the mobility from grapple because they're a lot faster than you then do that
obviously some are better than others but it's a legitimate reason
basically I would either go well rounded or grapple
but one isn't better than the other- it's how you want to place/control the game which your ability to do so will depend on the matchup
if my opponent is playing a slow ass character and I'm not trying to space then i have no business trying to use grapple
obsidian ermine
y'all thoughts on this #clips message
I'm pretty sure they were in hitstun the entire time
cerulean creek
y'all thoughts on this https://discord.com/channels/879970800734711808/100953885...
that was so clean!
bro i didnt think you could get lasso off that combo
obsidian ermine
that was so clean!
tyyy
midnight vine
I'm pretty sure they were in hitstun the entire time
yeah that was that jab 1 is too op on loops
sturdy citrus
good stuff didn't think that lasso would connect
cobalt mountain
yu guys play the most broken character in gam
sturdy citrus
yu guys play the most broken character in gam
banana gaurd:
vagrant coyote
WW is broken, why is she able to move with AND give her teammate armor, it’s stupid
sturdy citrus
not only is there a pretty big cooldown you can just use a move that breaks armour
or just wait like 5 seconds and it goes away
vagrant coyote
5Secs!? In a fighting game!? That’s insane
cobalt mountain
wait 5 seconds
lmao
yu dont see the irony in that
she a tank but hits as fast as a bruiser has multiple armor abilties has a sheild for an up attack that blocks down spikes
sturdy citrus
5Secs!? In a fighting game!? That’s insane
it's a slow ass game 5 seconds is not that long
cobalt mountain
not to mention her versatile ass whip
cobalt mountain
it's a slow ass game 5 seconds is not that long
ur slow
sturdy citrus
not to mention her versatile ass whip
yeah whip losing its cooldown was not something I expected
yeah she's busted but the armour is the last thing I'd be complaining about
vagrant coyote
Tony has to be a WW main, it’s the only explanation
sturdy citrus
me?
vagrant coyote
No the director of the game
sturdy citrus
oh
vagrant coyote
Kid name is Tony and just told on himself
lilac cosmos
banana gaurd:
Calling BG more broken than WW is insane 😭
BG ain't even top 5 rn big guy 😭
sturdy citrus
you can give a monkey banana gaurd and they'll do decent lmao
lilac cosmos
That means Banana Guard is easier, not stronger
BG is definitely top tier and so easy anyone who picks him up will feel like a tournament winner
But WW is still more broken
surreal pecan
BG is definitely top tier and so easy anyone who picks him up will feel like a t...
Banana Enjoyer
pine gull
Sup wws 🙇♀️
Ww server been revived
prisma geyser
Ww server been revived
Yessir I got the inv so ive been in there 
pine gull
pine gull
BG is definitely top tier and so easy anyone who picks him up will feel like a t...
Send BG to the gallows
bitter obsidian
banana gaurd:
Banana guard isn't close once you get better at the game
pine gull
How do you deal with bugs safe on the stage with the massive walls
Cuz I just got bullied by him and a safe
cursive berry
Cuz I just got bullied by him and a safe
can’t your shield block safe?
and if you can knock bugs away just go ahead and break the safe entirely
surreal pecan
Cuz I just got bullied by him and a safe
usually i blocked all bugs's projectile with shield, that worked for me iirc
I haven't run ww for while this week
plain fiber
Anyone else unlock Batman t shirt Wonder Woman today? 
pine gull
usually i blocked all bugs's projectile with shield, that worked for me iirc
I h...
Noted
surreal pecan
Anyone else unlock Batman t shirt Wonder Woman today? <:Batman:10190445897782558...
Yes i have, sry i misunderstood before
obsidian ermine
Anyone else unlock Batman t shirt Wonder Woman today? <:Batman:10190445897782558...
yes
bitter obsidian
How do you deal with bugs safe on the stage with the massive walls
You have Hella anti projectile
lilac cosmos
How do you deal with bugs safe on the stage with the massive walls
Armor break one shots safe
pine gull
Noted
lilac cosmos
Just got hard smoked my mirrorman
Expected
He won EVO
Actually nvm
I'm a schizo
That was NAKAT and VoiD
tidal sapphire
Side special bugs safe once gets you full charge. That has to be a bug, right?
hybrid vortex
for link to WW discord dm me
plain fiber
no more inf lasso
WHAT
pine gull
that patch notes cooked us
saw it on a bugzvii twitch
its now on a 8s cooldown
here it is
pine gull
some beta type nerf
obsidian ermine
no way y'all are mad about that
slender quail
Wait guys was lasso really that important on ww?
obsidian ermine
she escaped hell
surreal pecan
I mean i don't rely on lasso that much so far
i'll see when i cook with her after maintenance done
pine gull
no way y'all are mad about that
i fine with it but i liked the inf lasso
slender quail
Im prettey sure she is still busted right?
candid depot
Its pretty much reverting the buff she got on release
pine gull
time to revert my brain back to beta ww lasso
surreal pecan
no way y'all are mad about that
Understandable for ww players who really used Lasso more often to escape or projectile lasso
pine gull
got me there tbh
obsidian ermine
I accidentally click it but like I can live with that
surreal pecan
Im prettey sure she is still busted right?
We shall see, but i'm sure she's still good at least
slender quail
I mean the lasso wasnt the broken?
candid depot
I mean the lasso wasnt the broken?
It wasnt but it was annoying to see people spam it
slender quail
it wasnt the reason WHY she is one of the top 3 strongest chars?
obsidian ermine
yeah they should've nerfed like 7 other moves she has
pine gull
I mean the lasso wasnt the broken?
no but having a inf lasso could give you a easier time of escaping and getting back on stage
slender quail
It wasnt but it was annoying to see people spam it
yeah but why the hell would you "nerf" a top 3 char by nerfing something which did not make her this oppressive???
I didnt play much WW but the LASSO was not the thing people were complaining about?
like huh
this might look like overreaction but i really dont want this to happen again. I know so many games were the devvs simply did not understand the game enough and started nerfing the wrong things
not saying that inf lasso is great
but this wont change anything right?
surreal pecan
no but having a inf lasso could give you a easier time of escaping and getting b...
Oh yea, i forgot lasso didn't have cooldown before, now i understand why
lilac cosmos
Thank you PFG for fixing WWs lasso 🙏
austere crypt
I didnt play much WW but the LASSO was not the thing people were complaining abo...
Lasso was something complained about
But mostly before the game came out when we could only see gameplay footage and not actually play
slender quail
💀
austere crypt
Feel like this was a patch they've been scraping together since before release
Because it tackles all the problems from before release and barely anything from after
slender quail
it just seems like they simply dont know why things are strong rn
or idk maybe they are scared to overnerf i guess
slim wagon
or idk maybe they are scared to overnerf i guess
I'd agree if not for the way they absolutely murdered Lebron
Personally I'm hoping we see more buffs in the future for underrepresented/underperforming characters rather than nerfs
slender quail
well i agree and disagree
Velma for example was clearly a undertuned disaster
but saying that we shouldnt nerf things like banana guard, Wonderwoman etc is really dangerous
i have seen the same thing happening in smash
people always talked about how we should buff rather than nerf
this is how you create powercreep
zinc fog
“Short limiter” when it’s 8 seconds 😭😭😭
light sapphire
it is what it is
bitter obsidian
Woooooo
8 second lasso is a good start
She is still gonna be pretty oppressive
tardy cliff
8 secs ain’t bad it prolly just makes the lasso that grapples to you a lot worse
bitter obsidian
It definitely looks like a very safe balance patch
tardy cliff
More nair in neutral
sturdy citrus
wow they basically just ruined the entire point of grapple
wasn't cooldown more than 8 seconds during beta?
sturdy citrus
I didnt play much WW but the LASSO was not the thing people were complaining abo...
they should've at least waited for ranked to come out imo
yeah lasso gets abused against bad players but not really at a high level
sturdy citrus
At least they didn’t touch fair
fair, air side b and down b is what I was mainly anticipating nerfs for
violet mason
Did ww get nerfed
Bro she has the worst special now
Her shi dont even be connecting for it to be on cooldown
pine gull
Just her lasso got nerfed back to a 8 sec cooldown
midnight vine
8 second lasso is a good start
trust this is the only nerf she'll get just revert her to the original
but yeah i told ya
midnight vine
wow they basically just ruined the entire point of grapple
the grapple was too op you're so fast with it
sturdy citrus
the grapple was too op you're so fast with it
having a burst movement option doesn't matter if you get access to it once every 8 seconds
midnight vine
Did ww get nerfed
it's really not bad you just gotta play her more defensive and use whip of hephistus which is the strongest build anyway
sturdy citrus
having a lower cooldown if you pick that perk with less hitstun on it is a good start
but now they indirectly buffed the whip perk by nerfing the utility of normal lasso and grapple
I don't really mind
midnight vine
having a burst movement option doesn't matter if you get access to it once every...
yeah it's just a nerf on that build but hephistus and playing the neutral game is still good it just limits her versatility
bitter obsidian
trust this is the only nerf she'll get just revert her to the original
She will most likely receive more nerfs tbh
midnight vine
LMFAO no
bitter obsidian
This was just a safe balance patch
midnight vine
@bitter obsidian what is your main anyway that you complain so hard about ww
bitter obsidian
Bugs
But it was a safe balance patch
They barely changed any character
Except iron giant because of infinites
midnight vine
bugs is a top tier character
bitter obsidian
Bugs should of prob been nerfed more but they also barely hit him
midnight vine
lol
bitter obsidian
Yeah but he gets wrecked by ww since she destroys all projectiles in one hit
midnight vine
why are you complaining about 2 characters
sturdy citrus
air side b defo getting nerfed
bitter obsidian
why are you complaining about 2 characters
Many characters need nerfs and buffs
Not just ww
They barely buffed anyone either
Idk if they even didd buff anyone lol
I think Jason a tiny bit
midnight vine
no it doesn't this game has a great balance
for a platform game that has a lot of combos
it's incredibly balanced
sturdy citrus
Jason is interesting because he will absolutely crush you if you don't know how to play the game right
low elo menace
sturdy citrus
they need to fix bugs and infinites
Velma was gutted hard
midnight vine
where you can play them
sturdy citrus
you can keep crying but thats never going to change
sturdy citrus
in terms of effort required a mediocre ww player can beat a decent bugs player
it's not impossible its just heavily stacked against you
tidal sapphire
its too soon for pfg to push out an actual balance patch. they need to cook a little more. but they gotta buff velma and jason
but i wont be surprised if ww gets hit a little more. probably some light changes
midnight vine
jason is actually not bad
velma i agree
jason has lethal potential off of jab 1
similar to what ww does
tidal sapphire
i think jason is better than velma, but thats a low bar
midnight vine
lol
sturdy citrus
its too soon for pfg to push out an actual balance patch. they need to cook a li...
no balance changes untill ranked imo
midnight vine
ya'll judge way too quick new character = bad when there is a legit lethal combos off of jab 1 with jason
sturdy citrus
Jason is like low a high b imo
he has jab 2 into mist step that kills at stupid percents
midnight vine
i'm talking about jab 1 dodge cancel jab 1 into dair into sp.dair
indigo tusk
My fellow WW mains life is good ain’t it
pine gull
Yuh
sturdy citrus
My fellow WW mains life is good ain’t it
until the actual nerfs come
obsidian ermine
use sweetspot, early ringouts
violet mason
What i said went ova ya head
Any of da lassos can be a early ring out it jus gotta hit
Tammat hittin
Jit
light sapphire
Ww still goated
cerulean creek
They needa give it aim assist
if they give it aim assist then more ppl gonna complain
and thats annoying
violet mason
Yall jus needa get good
sturdy citrus
if they give it aim assist then more ppl gonna complain
I can already see the angry tweets
cedar pagoda
Wonder woman just give you dubs for free 💀
midnight vine
really don't understand the ww hate
lilac cosmos
OP rn
midnight vine
he was mid-/high tier
lol
and your foward special doesn't have crazy amount of priority?
you should be controlling the neutral game in your match up
violet mason
Bro what loop
midnight vine
you can get a crazy confirm of dair
lilac cosmos
really don't understand the ww hate
Because I said the lasso isn't a garbage attack I'm hating got it
violet mason
Aint eva been hit by a combo longer dan like 10 hits
lilac cosmos
and your foward special doesn't have crazy amount of priority?
Priority doesn't exist in this game anymore
midnight vine
nah just the fact that like 5 people go here to hate with a bugs main and a joker main like there character is not tier 1
lol
lilac cosmos
WW is considered top 3 by all of the top players what are you yapping about
midnight vine
WW is considered top 3 by all of the top players what are you yapping about
and joker is not?
lilac cosmos
I have yet to see a single tier list from anyone reputable who put Joker above like A tier
violet mason
Nah fr jokers with the spam neutral air
lilac cosmos
Yeah it's a god damn projectile what did you expect?
lilac cosmos
"Why can't my melee attack outrange this projectile this thing is so broken!!"
lilac cosmos
Aerial side b?
lilac cosmos
Yeah that thing carries his neutral game it's vile
violet mason
It got a cooldown?
lilac cosmos
he only has cooldowns on spawning balloons with up b and throwing a card with neutral attacks
I don't see how a cooldown on his side b would make any sense tbh
He uses a cane for it, it's like putting a cooldown on Shaggy's kick
midnight vine
all i know is you should win the neutral game
joker has better range and we barely have a response to your side b that comes out so quick
idk why you're so angry that you gotta go here
lilac cosmos
idk why you're so angry that you gotta go here
You're saying that because I said the lasso isn't garbage btw
violet mason
I dont see how its not after nerf
midnight vine
You're saying that because I said the lasso isn't garbage btw
huh nah i'm saying that cause again there's 5 of you complaining about ww on a channel
and you're all most likely using a tier 1 character
midnight vine
well arya is not t1
violet mason
She got a 0 to death
midnight vine
but bugs and joker is 100% in the same level
midnight vine
like complaining about tiers is so crazy to me
but i've been playing fighting games for a long time that i know it barely matters
violet mason
Ww the only character that feels like a smash character
Only reason i play her
Im good at smash so im good witer
But yall needa stop complaining about WW
midnight vine
i played her since beta when she was considered mid
i like defensive characters that's all lol
mained rose in sfiv and i was pretty much a top player in that game
violet mason
Didnt kno there was classes til second release
violet mason
Nah but tank with dmg perks always gonna be better
lilac cosmos
Didnt kno there was classes til second release
They don't even mean anything
Like Joker is a mage and has a whopping 2 projectiles but Marvin is an assassin and half his kit is projectiles
lilac cosmos
Assassins used to have a passive 5% damage increase
violet mason
Guess its for story then
lilac cosmos
Then they removed it
So the classes are there for the sake of being there
I guess they're an okay indicator of weight though
All the heaviest characters are tanks, after them it's the bruisers, then it's the mages, and the lightest characters are assassins
midnight vine
btw low key taz is about to move up the rankings
lilac cosmos
With a few exceptions here and there
violet mason
They removed some perks right i coulda sworn they had more perks
I made my ww fast as hel
lilac cosmos
They removed more than "some" perks
violet mason
I need the flight perk back
Be fast in da air
Love that
Cant evade shield
Fa long
violet mason
It was in da air tho righ
lilac cosmos
Yeah aerial acrobat gave +10% aerial acceleration
cerulean creek
Just ran double WW in 2s.
That comp just feels disgusting
Esp since you can pop armor again once one person's armor is gone
Plus sair just feels like the best move in the game
violet mason
Yea her side air da best i cant lie
sturdy citrus
WW is considered top 3 by all of the top players what are you yapping about
I would say like top 5
and yeah double ww has to be one of the best team comps ignoring iron giant
hybrid vortex
dm me if u wanna join the WW discord server
bitter obsidian
Mf u can spam dodge outta anything rn
If only that were true lol
austere crypt
Why can't I combo kr kill with ww
lilac cosmos
If only that were true lol
He's still playing the beta ignore him
pine gull
Was expecting ranked but I guess not then
ripe rover
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
tidal sapphire
you can whiff punish her, and put armor break on your dash attacks
austere crypt
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
She seems to do not so good into characters like Gizmo and Harley, probably still even, but something those characters have
Projectiles that you can charge like batarang and arrow definitely are a weakness for WW in some capacity
You can't just throw them out randomly or they'll get side Bd
Gizmo's Dtilt is probably the biggest WW weakness can't lie
But you're never gonna fight a good Gizmo because there's like 2 of them so it's not something WW mains have to worry about
I guess a real weakness would be how predictable she is, you can probably find a way to learn how to Parry the timings
midnight vine
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
if you're talking pure brawl taz beats out every normal ww has you have to have optimal spacing in your normals to beat it out
also taz has an infinite
against tanks
midnight vine
She seems to do not so good into characters like Gizmo and Harley, probably stil...
i think it's tough with harley cause of her size profile for some reason she always falls out of string even if you catch her it's also hard to do neutral cause of that slide
her nair beats ww nair as well but i think that move is so broken and it beats majority of the characters in the game
sturdy citrus
Why can't I combo kr kill with ww
I don't think we're playing the same game
sturdy citrus
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
charachters with fast projectiles that you can't really react with, or can easily weave in and out of her danger bubble
and yeah Harley is tiny and pretty tough to combo because her frame is so skinny
sturdy citrus
you could also just camp
lasso nerfs means nothing she can really do about it constantly
lilac cosmos
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
I think if you cheat she'll lose
bitter obsidian
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
If they are a good ww then no, just good luck
surreal pecan
If they are a good ww then no, just good luck
But if the pilot not really pro with ww, it's possible
lilac cosmos
But if the pilot not really pro with ww, it's possible
You don't need to be that good to win with WW
She's really strong rn
And has always been an easy character
bitter obsidian
Does this character have any weaknesses? Like genuinely asking
Best chance is to learn there move spacing and since most WWs use the same couple moves just adapt over time
lilac cosmos
She was the original starter character, after all
fringe panther
So apparently now is a bad time to start to try and figure out the lasso? I never really used it, and now I can't.
lilac cosmos
So apparently now is a bad time to start to try and figure out the lasso? I neve...
It's an 8 second cooldown, it is still a strong attack
fringe panther
I mean, it seems like a way to deal with characters like LeBron and Rick who tend to dodge away constantly in 1v1, but 8 seconds is a lot.
pine gull
it was increased to 13 in a patch
Worst day of my life when that happened
Got me having a whole snooze fest when I press thst button
ripe rover
Best chance is to learn there move spacing and since most WWs use the same coupl...
Thanks
fringe panther
Seems like they keep nerfing all my favorite characters, first Jake, now WW
ripe rover
WW is still good lol
sturdy citrus
that's what you get for maining jake
pine gull
Seems like they keep nerfing all my favorite characters, first Jake, now WW
Its more kind of slap on the wrist with ww
sturdy citrus
deserved
and honestly looking at the state the game launched in no lasso cooldown was probably a bug lmao
pine gull
A bug I wanted to keep
surreal pecan
You don't need to be that good to win with WW
If we're good at movement basic and spacing against ww that hasn't it, it's possible and also need patience
I lost few times with ww before, against good Bugs, Harley and Finn
That because coincidentally i'm still not good at movement basic so they predict and spacing from my attacks
But you also have good point, if we fight against good ww, that would be really difficult
fringe panther
yeah, WW is very playable, probably my best character. Jake lost almost all his move priority and is pretty mediocre now.
sturdy citrus
against faster chars I prefer grapple over lasso or whip because they're usually good at staying out of my range
pine gull
What does her 3rd perk even do I actually forgot what it even does
sturdy citrus
What does her 3rd perk even do I actually forgot what it even does
it wastes a perk slot
pine gull
Damn so I'll just use anything else but that perk
Since I've been using it against marvin and bugs
fringe panther
how do you grapple?
pine gull
It's a main perk that makes u go to your lasso instead of pulling things to you
Just use lasso for aggro and more creative combos
fringe panther
thanks
sturdy citrus
whip is a good finisher but they kinda nerfed its versatility by making it to where the sourspot doesn't pull in anymore
actually I haven't played this game in so long I don't remember if the sourspot ever pulled in
bitter obsidian
Seems like they keep nerfing all my favorite characters, first Jake, now WW
Well Jake got caught for no reason but WW is a top 3 character rn and needs some nerfs
They should of only removed his skateboard infinite loop but they made him way worse
pine gull
I will always pray for them to add a lingering hitbox to wonder woman's down air like a sour spot that does little knockback
sturdy citrus
most of the nerfs were kinda safe, nothing actually meta defining
bitter obsidian
Yeah it was a very safe balance patch
pine gull
Been praying since the beta
sturdy citrus
I will always pray for them to add a lingering hitbox to wonder woman's down air...
I deadass thought it was a bug when the hitbox just went away instead of being a soutspot
bitter obsidian
I honestly wouldn't be suprised if they were so busy fixing the game that they didn't actually do gameplay testing and decided on a safe balance patch
sturdy citrus
it doesn't even have to combo or spike why is she still sticking the sword down if it doesn't do anything
pine gull
FR
sturdy citrus
balancing would be a hell of a lot easier if they just released ranked
bitter obsidian
Yeah lol
pine gull
I litrelly have gone through people when I miss the start of it then I'm just sitting there dumb asf with my axe through them
sturdy citrus
dude I want aphrodite wonder woman so bad
but I refuse to put money into this game untill it's an actual game
pine gull
Meanwhile my ass got money waiting for ww to get a skin 🗿
lilac cosmos
Meanwhile my ass got money waiting for ww to get a skin 🗿
Switch to Batman and purchase his samurai skin (second best skin in the game)
Tbh Black Lantern WW is pretty fire
fringe panther
I kinda want the beach skin, but don't want to spend that much on ot.
sturdy citrus
bloodlines is also pretty good
pine gull
I got all em of part from the valentines one
Cuz im a lonely scrub
Ik this a minor thought but they should kinda add a random skin pick for each character
midnight vine
most of the nerfs were kinda safe, nothing actually meta defining
ugh... the 10% less hit stun is definitely meta defining
loops are harder to hit
idk if that's going to stay though since it's only on 1s
atleast the jab 1 jab 1 into dair with ww is a lot more strict
it's still hits but it's gotta be perfect
sturdy citrus
honestly I'm fine if they rework ww into a more 2v2 support tank then a 1v1 menace like she is now
midnight vine
yeah i do like it
sturdy citrus
I've used lasso to save my teammate a lot and the down b warp is super helpful
midnight vine
cause what they are essentially doing is making the game more like a fighting game instead of killing everyone off of 1 hit
sturdy citrus
and side b grants armour to teammates rn
sturdy citrus
cause what they are essentially doing is making the game more like a fighting ga...
if anyone was getting ztd'd it was more of a skill issue
iron giant had the only true one
everything else was a skill check
sturdy citrus
and from what I see they've made it very clear they don't want trye zero to deaths no matter how specific they may be
midnight vine
coming off jab
sturdy citrus
can you still nair loop?
midnight vine
yeah
sturdy citrus
yeah I noticed that will all my combos
sometimes they just don't work
doesn't help training mode doesn't have a combo counter
the closest you have is done after hitstun but it doesn't always do that
midnight vine
doesn't help training mode doesn't have a combo counter
what i'm doing to check is i change the characters dodge after hit stun
sturdy citrus
the closest you have is done after hitstun but it doesn't always do that
*dodge
midnight vine
but it i think the ai in this game
sturdy citrus
what i'm doing to check is i change the characters dodge after hit stun
it doesn't always dodge
sturdy citrus
it's like a 50/50
sturdy citrus
waiting for the training mode mod ngl
because you can't set di to random its kinda hard
midnight vine
honestly it dev's has been really dissappointing overall
they have an amazing concept
but this stuff should've been there
sturdy citrus
like on di in fair into side b into double jump fair is a true kill confirm
I understand why they went to ue5 but if that's why the game is so incomplete it was not worth it
simple bugs from beta like new friends being offline until you restart are still there
even a game as big as fortnite had a content drought when it moved to ue5 in chapter 3
midnight vine
yeah agreed they really messed up on this game actually really disapppointing
cause from what it looks like they miss there chance to be something
they have the potential for something special
but now idk
sturdy citrus
deadass revert to beta, fix hitboxes and you will have a better game than rn
tidal sapphire
i mostly played 2s in the beta cause 1s was all about spam dodging and whoever had the bigger hitbox won the interaction. i dont miss that at all
they need several balance passes sure, but i like the overall changes. more strategy involved. you get punished for throwing out random moves
midnight vine
they need several balance passes sure, but i like the overall changes. more stra...
yeah but you can spam dodge before because there's was no blue gauge in beta they can easily bring beta back and just keep the blue gauge
but yeah i agree that's a good change cause for me, i'm interested on this game not cause of the similarities to smash or platform games but the theme of how they are trying to make this game about resource management and footsies theme
sturdy citrus
bro is HUFFING the copium 💀
"yeah I could beat a 5 year old mashing fair charachter busted"
pine gull
I can sense the anger within this man
tidal sapphire
idk who this dude is, looks like a rage bait content creator
tidal sapphire
yeah but you can spam dodge before because there's was no blue gauge in beta the...
yeah i think the base movement could be brought up a bit. i tried jake the other day and he is slooow
lilac cosmos
WW mains might be the biggest downplayers
She is widely considered number 1 by every single top player
tidal sapphire
I never said she wasn't top, just the dude is playing at noob mmr and raging about it for clicks
midnight vine
I never said she wasn't top, just the dude is playing at noob mmr and raging abo...
like this guy who rages about ww every day LOL
bitter obsidian
bro is HUFFING the copium 💀
he has some things right
but definitely got beat by one too many WWs
she is easily the best character rn though
I should play some games with her just to bully ppl
midnight vine
I should play some games with her just to bully ppl
do it
get to someone that knows how to play the game unlike that video
tell me if you can do that
if you actually think that's the actual gameplay of this game then i get why you think the character is broken
bitter obsidian
No it's way worse then that gameplay
meager otter
Wait do you think the character isn’t broken?
bitter obsidian
Yeah Jolo thinks ww is extremely balanced and fair
meager otter
Yikes
lilac cosmos
Jolo is the biggest downplayer on the planet
midnight vine
says the guy that complains everyday about ww who plays another tier 1 character
worn thorn
what main perk should i use jus copped WW for the event
midnight vine
i mean if you think a video like that proves your point
i get why you think she's broken
meager otter
Complaining every day is excessive but the character is stupid
bitter obsidian
Nah that ww gameplay was horrible in that vid
Most wws just use hyper armor spam and shield
Then ledgeguard with the explosion thing
midnight vine
and you don't know how to stop that?
if it's that predictable why is that hard to stop
meager otter
if it's that predictable why is that hard to stop
Are you being genuine
midnight vine
you don't have a dodge mechanic to fake the character out?
bitter obsidian
😭
midnight vine
Are you being genuine
lol 100%
meager otter
Knowing it’s coming doesnt change the fact that you have near 0 options to avoid it
bitter obsidian
Hyper armor in a fighter should never last 5 seconds in the first place
midnight vine
0 option ohh now i'm starting to understand
lool yeah the character is broken
you're right
meager otter
Is that sarcasm
bitter obsidian
Idk any other fighting game where someone gets hyper armor for that long
midnight vine
nah i think you believe it is broken
bitter obsidian
Or even close
lilac cosmos
says the guy that complains everyday about ww who plays another tier 1 character
Joker ain't even top 5 sorry bro
meager otter
I respect a joker player more than a ww player anyday
lilac cosmos
So true 🦦
midnight vine
if he's any good he'd understand joker's neutral game beats ww's neutral game in a 1v1 match up
i'm actually probably going to pick up joker soon
if the game doesn't die lol
meager otter
I’m starting to hate the dodging cause if I see the “Dodge!” Indication after dodging a single hit move and then randomly get hit right after imma lose my mind
midnight vine
then stop botting and dodge through the proper space
midnight vine
lol the only way you get hit throught a dodge is that you're ignoring what attack it is you're solely just anticipating an attack
to dodge
meager otter
I specified a single hit attack
midnight vine
there are different directions you can dodge
meager otter
I’m genuinely thinking you didn’t read what I said
The game processes the dodge
The game says “Dodge!“ right when I time the dodge on a single hit attack
And I am still hit by the attack
Am I making sense
midnight vine
and there's this thing called active frames
worn thorn
The game says “Dodge!“ right when I time the dodge on a single hit attack
ur arguing wit a brick wall brother
bitter obsidian
yeah I would give it up
meager otter
ur arguing wit a brick wall brother
Ok I thought I was going insane
bitter obsidian
Jolo a WW simp until the end
meager otter
My words are making sense right
I’m not even talking abt ww anymore just general game mechanics
worn thorn
My words are making sense right
yeah it does the same dodge thing wit superman
meager otter
But since I was attacking ww earlier
midnight vine
@bitter obsidian you know what's funny i'm a better harley player than ww i just enjoy ww
meager otter
I think he thinks I’m always gonna argue against him
lavish coral
How are people feeling about the Lasso Cool-down now
lilac cosmos
if he's any good he'd understand joker's neutral game beats ww's neutral game in...
Wrong, WW just wins by default
meager otter
It’s a good start
meager otter
Fair
bitter obsidian
but its a start to her much needed nerfs
I doubt they even had time to play test with all of these problems in the game and thats why they did a safe balance patch
meager otter
But I prefer this over the burst of unnecessary nerfs that bury characters
And that’s from someone who doesn’t play her at all
She may be broken but I don’t want to see her become as infrequent as Velma
bitter obsidian
there are ways to easily balance her without making her trash
midnight vine
How are people feeling about the Lasso Cool-down now
bro ww is broken you can spam fair and bubble on ledge and it = auto win
insanely overtune
midnight vine
@lavish coral nah breh you don't understand it's broken
lavish coral
Also who calls it fair? It’s sair my guy
midnight vine
there is 0 options whatsoever
tidal sapphire
Ledge stalling? No can't do that
lavish coral
there is 0 options whatsoever
Shaggy Kick, Jason Smoke, WW Lasso, Both Rick and Morty Portal, Bugs Rocket
I can keep going
midnight vine
i think you're talking witch craft
lavish coral
I think you’re just bad
bitter obsidian
Overrun her with projectiles
nah you cant be serious about that one
overrun the character who has 3-4 projectile destruction moves
lavish coral
nah you cant be serious about that one
Pressure her into to destroying them and then take the advantage
bitter obsidian
and can one hit projectiles with attacks
she destroys them without pressure
its in multiple abilities
even her basic sword attacks can one hit the bugs safe
lavish coral
Really? I never tested it tbf
bitter obsidian
yes
playing a projectile based character against WW is just a huge uphill battle
midnight vine
Really? I never tested it tbf
nah you can break the safe while bugs is on the motion of making it it's just another exxageration
the start up on the bugs safe is just long
tidal sapphire
Using ricks portal for map control? Not possible. Shoot projectile then dash attack with armor break? What do you think my character is? A mage?
midnight vine
then you can't break it
sturdy citrus
Overrun her with projectiles
how to lose in one easy step
sturdy citrus
and honestly.if you're constantly getting dsmash spiked you're doing something wrong
lilac cosmos
This character is so easy to play lmao and she gets free kills off anything lmao how are y'all complaining
Playing this character feels like cheating
I could win while sleeping
proud furnace
What are the best perks for WW
pine gull
how we holding up
Barely now cuz I need to push 20k points to fight for first 💀
lilac cosmos
Barely now cuz I need to push 20k points to fight for first 💀
You play WW in 1s
1s gives you like
5k points a win
For some reason
pine gull
It's gives me 500+ per win
pine gull
Damn I'm getting shafted then
prisma geyser
Barely now cuz I need to push 20k points to fight for first 💀
dam 😭 atleast u putting the grind in
rapid lynx
I need this shaggy player in my challenge to go to sleep, we both 19 k rn 💀
pine gull
Bro my number 1 pushing 40k
surreal pecan
Bro my number 1 pushing 40k
Dayum, i mean it's possible if that number 1 guy from your league plays 24 hours per day
bitter obsidian
Barely now cuz I need to push 20k points to fight for first 💀
Gl that's like 130 matches
I gave up tryna get number one since you get the silver all the way through 10
I'm not tryna play 200 games a day
pine gull
im only pushing 13k
bitter obsidian
You get about 200xp a win
pine gull
i already give up 💀
bitter obsidian
Yeah it's too much
All for one battle pass tier
Not even ranked so it doesn't really matter imo
pine gull
aint worth my mental for them prizes
indigo tusk
People out there saying WW got no skill no ceiling easy to use and spams all the time lol
Same people I bet that realize they can’t spam against her defenses and instead they get cracked and embarrassed
midnight vine
People out there saying WW got no skill no ceiling easy to use and spams all the...
i think zeptyn has to be trolling but idk about the other guys lol
cerulean creek
is there a ww discord?
sturdy citrus
Barely now cuz I need to push 20k points to fight for first 💀
I got 10k after like 6 hours yesterday, good luck
pine gull
is there a ww discord?
Yea
pine gull
Sent it
gilded dragon
Needs nerf
sturdy citrus
Needs nerf
skill issue
lilac cosmos
It would be so funny if Tony just gutted WW and all the WW mains had to abandon their character since they only play her because she's meta
sturdy citrus
cope
I wouldn't even say she's top of the meta right now
I could say the same about joker or Harley
I would rather prioritize buffs for chars like Velma before nerfing charachters like wonder woman
candid depot
It would be so funny if Tony just gutted WW and all the WW mains had to abandon ...
It would make more sense to nerf Harley and Bugs since they are overplayed like crazy and super strong
They cant nerf Joker yet because people spent bread on him and hes new
gilded dragon
It would be so funny if Tony just gutted WW and all the WW mains had to abandon ...
WW players are one trick pony’s
lilac cosmos
It would make more sense to nerf Harley and Bugs since they are overplayed like ...
WW downplayers dawg 😭
sturdy citrus
no there's two tricks silly
lilac cosmos
I could say the same about joker or Harley
WW downplayers dawg 😭
candid depot
Bro im not downplaying at all they characters are disgusting
sturdy citrus
no there's two tricks silly
up tilt up air up b and lasso down smash
candid depot
and im not even a WW main
lilac cosmos
They cant nerf Joker yet because people spent bread on him and hes new
They could definitely nerf Joker, balancing is VERY important but idk what they would nerf tbh he is pretty reliant on those upward attacks to kill
sturdy citrus
yeah if ww gets in you just die sometimes, but you can just run circles around her especially in the air
she has really bad air acceleration and double jump goes nowhere
candid depot
They could definitely nerf Joker, balancing is VERY important but idk what they ...
Thats pretty much all he needs nerfed lol. But thats a systematic problem not just him
lilac cosmos
Tbh if they nerfed his up attacks and buffed his grounded neutral b I think he'd be fine
He would probably lose his 0td and he would still have kill moves
sturdy citrus
personally for nerfs I would starts by reducing the hitbox sizes, turning down the knockback growth on air side b and stopping the degenerate ladder combos
I'm not going to sit here and say "ww isn't broken" but watching another s tier main come in here and complain is ironic
gilded dragon
WW is brain rot character
lilac cosmos
Joker is NOT on the level of WW dawg
candid depot
I think Bugs is worse
lilac cosmos
He will never be as broken as her
candid depot
Bugs and Shaggy just make you want to quit the game
lilac cosmos
He relies heavily on like 3 attacks because the rest of his kit is mid at best
sturdy citrus
WW is brain rot character
and who do you play
bitter obsidian
It would make more sense to nerf Harley and Bugs since they are overplayed like ...
Bugs and Harley are both more skill intensive and have almost 10% lower wrs then ww
candid depot
Where are you getting this data
bitter obsidian
They also are both light characters and ww is literally a counterpick to bugs
It's on tracker.gg