Velma

[grizzled lichen]

and weird interactions when you already hit them it didnt count

like HUH??

and players can just disconnect the match and i get -10 points from that??? my god...

[analog inlet]

Idk i might me crazy but I like it this way

Im playing rift's with samurai jack, and it's so easy its boring

I like impossible scenarios xD

[ivory hatch]

This reminds of an MMO I play

No one likes to play this one class because it's support and if you play solo, you have to set up your attacks a lot to do damage

But this other class not only excels solos (due to getting health back from attacks), but they also support better than the other class

[unkempt aurora]

I like to use camera in these situations or just jump over it, you dont HAVE to try to trade every time

[near moss]

Velma Peak 📸

[woven kite]

🙏

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

[muted holly]

👋

[glad urchin]

We got another skin

I wish we had more epic and legendary skins

[dapper quest]

they giving velma so many skins lol

[glad urchin]

So many rare skins which is just crappy

Give her more epic and/or legendary skins

[muted holly]

Orrrr

Give her buffs

[analog inlet]

yes, moar skins, MOAAAR

I'm having so much fun with Velma 😄

[near moss]

Velma goat, I did a casual with another velma and we had double the word bubbles Pelting them to death

[analog inlet]

I won a game in casual with a sweet side special for a double ko, it was truly special 🔥

[grizzled lichen]

yow velma did got the ugly sweater right? the cheaper one lmao

[muted holly]

she didnt get a new one

i think

[analog inlet]

Yeah I don't understand. She DOES have a new outfit on the Rift, but it's not in the store

[woven kite]

Most beautiful velma sisterhood interaction 🧡

[woven kite]

We should be able to get it during the frost themed event, or I hope so 🥹

[near moss]

Catch someone in Burnout with Velma and Suddenly 💡, 💡, 💡

[ivory hatch]

I keep getting caught in attack chains and I don't know how to avoid it

I'll keep trying to dodge but it's not fast enough

[rose abyss]

That's how I felt when that Rick was messing me up lol Sorry about the loss btw :p

[woven kite]

poor burntout player, I identify as one everytime I hop on the game

[woven kite]

so annoying

[ivory hatch]

Yeah, at that point, you can put the controller down and let your hands rest for a good 5 seconds

[woven kite]

should I cry or should I laugh?

omg

[ivory hatch]

Both

[wooden jolt]

@woven kitei have the clip i did that to burnt out player 🤣

[woven kite]

U_U

[woven kite]

Could easily be me getting clipped

[wooden jolt]

nope it was a joker at joker meta lol

[woven kite]

Ohh today a joker spammed tea bagging to me ;w;

[ivory hatch]

Anytime I'm doing good, my internet says "Let's fix that" and disconnects me

[grizzled lichen]

man hoping velmas side special can really knock out opponents in 120

[ivory hatch]

Don't be silly now

She's too oppresive of a zoner

Her knockback needs to be 50% lower than the rest of the cast to compensate

[muted holly]

for the ones that havent found out yet: megaphone has been buffed yesterday

[honest spruce]

Acting like the velma emissary rn

[muted holly]

[grizzled lichen]

having fun using the megaphone ngl

[glad urchin]

ok

[desert roost]

What did they buff on it?

[muted holly]

range on all 3 stages increased, 2nd stage charges much faster, 3rd stage charges a fair bit faster

[desert roost]

Yay!!

Was it a shadow buff?

[muted holly]

yup

released yesterday with the event

felt it immediately

[analog inlet]

Eeeeeyyyy new outfits and buffs!!!

[analog inlet]

Time to farm at the rift stage where she's wearing that new outfit for extra event currency like a crazy person >:)

[muted holly]

Currency comes quite fast tbh

Just buy the polar vortex skin first and you'll get the other one in no time

[wooden jolt]

if u own BP do rift with IG 🤣

[graceful sun]

Combos?

[honest spruce]

@muted holly im not ready yet

[wooden jolt]

what combo?

[graceful sun]

Combos?

[grizzled lichen]

Velma combos?

[wooden jolt]

specify 🤣 cuz velma doesnt even have proper combo

i could say jab jab book , dodge cancel into jab jab book

thats all

[honest spruce]

sair gb combos, cz ur gonna be sairing a lot

[graceful sun]

What

How?

[honest spruce]

too laggy, or too di'able, or too much startup

[muted holly]

do yall need the entire list of often used combos?

[honest spruce]

[muted holly]

that was a yes or no question

[honest spruce]

urggg, fineeeeee, if u want to sooooo bad 🙄

[graceful sun]

Im triying velma in a custom rn

Any tips?

[warm lily]

Yeah, don’t play ranked 1v1

You’ll just suffer trying to play Velma

[wooden jolt]

@graceful suntheres 1 not optimal but up special (beaker) into air side special

[graceful sun]

Thx

[wooden jolt]

lucid can list the rest combos

[muted holly]

kill confirms (rough kill% on shaggy)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > utilt (160) (inconsistent)
jab1>2>3 (180)
air uspecial > uair (70-80) (fully DIable, use it as a DI check)
iad (cd)dspecial > uair (140)
dtilt > charge uair (130)
bubble > uair/utilt (130-150)
bubble > air sspecial (130-140)
bubble > air uspecial (110-120)
bubble > sair (160-170)
bubble > (cd)dspecial > uair (around 110-120) (hold forward momentum from (cd)dspecial

general damage building combos
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > nair (DI check, can be DIed out and up, highest damaging option out of (cd)book)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > uair (for when your opponent tends to DI up often)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > air sspecial (for when your opponent tends to DI down/neutral/in)
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > (cd)dspecial > uair (also for when your opponent tends to DI down/neutral/in, but less consistent and stops working at a certain %)
jab1>2 > dspecial > dodge cancel jab1>2 > (cd)dspecial > ... (best thing to use your off cooldown book on, you can only connect that second jab with off cooldown book, not with (cd)book)
dtilt > uspecial > tech chase sair > dash attack (requieres a tech read, opponent needs to not DI up, dash attack only connects at lower %s)

some untrue combos / strings / dodge reads
utilt > air sspecial (some characters can hit you before your air sspecial comes out)
air sspecial > air sspecial (burns your air specials so only use this if your nearly 100% sure you know where they will dodge
(dtilt >) jab1>2 > dspecial/(cd)dspecial > bubble > ... (you need to delay the bubble or it will get inactivated by a dodge, can lead back into jab if they dont dodge up)
air uspecial > dair/sair (mainly used when your opponent DIs air uspecial > uair)
dair > dtilt > jab1>2 > ...

some sketchy ways to apply mark
sair > mark bubble
(cd)dspecial > mark bubble/jump mark bubble

now go study that, test follows tomorrow

[graceful sun]

Woa thanks

[warm lily]

That’s actually crazy that Velma has more combo routes than Shaggy

[muted holly]

well shaggy doesnt need them because he doesnt need to read DI

[warm lily]

He doesn’t need to read DI that much, but he does need to read dodge habits a lot more

His main DI check kill confirm with jab 1,2 -> reverse utilt -> up special got removed

And now reverse utilt only combos into uair at specific low percents

His jab jab stomp tech chase also got removed due to the lower hitstun from jab 2

[muted holly]

thank god for that 🙏

[warm lily]

But people still don’t spam dodge, so I’ve still been able to get it

[warm lily]

I would’ve rather them balanced it better than outright remove it

Same goes for a lot of the stuff he lost

[muted holly]

tech loops cant be balanced

[grizzled lichen]

There also

jab 1 + 2 + (cd)book + dodge cancel + uspecial + sair + dodge cancel + jab 1+ 2 + (cd)book + (cd)book + nair

which i had fun using it too

[warm lily]

Instead of “let’s make it so Shaggy can’t kill confirm at 80” they went “ok well let’s just remove this entirely”

[honest spruce]

Shaggy is the easy baby character for the game, u don't want him to he low damage combos into specific kill confirms, you want him to be mash buttons high damage

[warm lily]

I want him to be like the beta where he had longer higher damaging combos with more routes that require more execution

[muted holly]

i thought that was true at first as well, but it isnt, like, at all

[warm lily]

Not “haha spam kick eat glue” character

[honest spruce]

Tutorial character

[warm lily]

Mario is the tutorial character of Smash and he’s not nearly as one-dimensional

[honest spruce]

Mario in smash has gotten so much more complex that the basic tutorial character, even seen by Sakurai, is obv kirby

[warm lily]

Kirby has a lot of surprisingly technical combo routes

[grizzled lichen]

really? i actually use this in rank as a combo and it works depends on the character though

[warm lily]

Yeah you can play him casually by just using all your jumps and spamming stone

Just like you can play Shaggy casually by just spamming kick

[muted holly]

i assume it is true on jason and such, but the sair can be completely avoided

[warm lily]

But like Kirby actually has a real threatening combo game

[honest spruce]

Well, yeah, as much as Kirby can, but that's competitive. Casually, Mario is still more complex, Kirby is better and more forgiving for a new player

[warm lily]

Kirby has always been the casual character

But I’m saying that you can definitely balance for both

And Smash Kirby and Mario are good examples

Simple for newer players but rewarding for dedicated players

[honest spruce]

Mario is just simple, but he's also strong, not really spamming, but strong, in a way no one likes

[warm lily]

Honestly, I’ve been asking for Shaggy kill power nerfs since day 1

[honest spruce]

But not really Kirby, and that's better imo, cz he just has so many core mechanics in him which is the point really

[muted holly]

what has the velma channel turned into ❓ ❓

[honest spruce]

I've been asking for general kill power nerfs since before relaunch

[honest spruce]

Knowledge channel

[warm lily]

Complaining

[warm lily]

Also this

I got into MVS for the neutral game

Not to play fast Smash 64

Where everyone dies early to one neutral win

[honest spruce]

Speaking of, check clips

[ivory hatch]

Bro this looks like foreign language to me

[honest spruce]

Like, the prevailing sentiment of what camping is in mvs is starting to be broadened, he was high percent, engaging, but refusing to get hit, and thats running

[warm lily]

Yeah, Rick death combo and Nubia killing at 50

[muted holly]

𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑👹 👹 👺

[honest spruce]

No, most recent

[grizzled lichen]

jinkies I solved the mystery gang

[warm lily]

Well, unfortunately the optimal way to play is to camp until your opponent makes a greedy mistake

And against a character like Steven with melon and shield walls, you don’t really get a good opening

Just like against Finn, the optimal play is to platform camp on dual plat stages for 7 minutes

[honest spruce]

Yeah but my point is there was no camping there

It just looked like someone who didn't want to get hit

[warm lily]

Oh yeah I wouldn’t even call that clip camping

[muted holly]

that clip is just a steven moment

[warm lily]

Like not at all

[muted holly]

never had fun playing against steven

[warm lily]

Steven is the secret top tier that no one ever talks about because no one plays him

[honest spruce]

That's why I can't really take camping accusations that seriously anymore, you turn your back once and you're now indescribable scum

[honest spruce]

I can assure you most know of the horrors, competitive players of course, casuals got their own stuff

[ivory hatch]

How is Velma in Free For All?

[woven kite]

decent! like in 2s

[woven kite]

a fact

[analog inlet]

@muted holly I wanted to thank you for the the combo list

It's amazing n_n

[woven kite]

owo

[ivory hatch]

This text will be displayed on Velma's Supportive Words

[woven kite]

We velmas have this 📣 for a good reason!

🧡

[analog inlet]

Where buffs? 🐵

[wooden jolt]

its mini adjust ment

in 3 weeks prob

[woven kite]

literally me

[woven kite]

Im gonna miss you all so much 😭💔 my velma sisterhood 🥺

[gusty drift]

🥹

[grizzled lichen]

😭😭😭😭

[wooden jolt]

@grizzled lichen i wnted do more matches

later in season 5

before we gone completedly

you too @woven kite

[grizzled lichen]

Let's do a Velma mayhem lmao

[wooden jolt]

trueeee

FFA VELMA

@grizzled lichen

[woven kite]

Sure 🥺

[woven kite]

Omg I want 😅😅

[wooden jolt]

CHECK DMS

[woven kite]

Okee gimme a second

[unkempt aurora]

So we all agree that the reason the game died is because no van revert yes? Thats the official Velma main response?

[ivory hatch]

The fact the game will go down with no significant buffs to Velma

She really did remain untouched, unless it had to do with nerfing the Mystery Machine

[unkempt aurora]

Sounds like to me thats why the game died, idk about you chief but thats what im reading 👀

[ivory hatch]

Guessing they're going to make all characters free next season?

[rose abyss]

😭

[dapper quest]

BOTTOM TİER THROUGH THE ENTİRE GAME 💔

[woven kite]

HELP ME

[unkempt aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/egg-frank-can-i-offer-you-a-nice-egg-in-this-trying-time-gif-13802522

[woven kite]

🥚

[ivory hatch]

Are the patch notes out??

Also when does the season end?

[merry dawn]

patch notes and season comes out tmrw

[rose abyss]

Can't wait ! 🙂

[woven kite]

[gusty drift]

Omg!

🥹

[grizzled lichen]

final velma content for persona

[unkempt aurora]

For the first time since launch im actively having fun with this game, i never thought i would type that in this discord

[woven kite]

Aww 🫶

[cursive tendon]

I hate it when velma fastfalls while using speech bubbles

[woven kite]

Your name 😭😭😭 LMAO, does she really falls like brick? 💔 Maybe they made that to her to reduce her flying zoner gameplay, ugh I want to play 😭😭

[muted holly]

i would say more like a solid tungsten block instead of a brick

actually awful to play with

[woven kite]

It cant be 😭💔😭💔😭💔 now we could not even aim the homing thing
Into our opponent

Or shoot 2 bubbles in air

Might be imposible, they wanted 2 force us to play ground playstyle surely wth, Im not good at ground playstyle

I have always been an airy velma, airy jigglypuff, airy wii fit trainer 😓

[wooden jolt]

yeee she fall super fast lol

i cant stall on air unless i use my jump button

[woven kite]

Hating it even when I cant even test it 💔💔

[woven kite]

Yeah 😦

I see

[wooden jolt]

@woven kite velma side speciial still bugged

[woven kite]

Ground side special? Why im not surprise?

[cursive tendon]

You just can't go offstage and spam speech bubbles which is just sad

[woven kite]

I truly believe that they wanted to make velma a less "air zoner" character in some way by giving her those Changes in her gravity I guess, check how her ground moveset got side buffed now, we will have to change her playstyle but this is will be hard to all of us velma mains

[honest spruce]

yeahhh, if they wanted less air zoner they would buff her grounded state

[woven kite]

Thats right, but now with this gravity nerfs now we could have a harder times to get back to the stage after being pushed out of it, personally I used to throw text bubbles a lot while trying to coming back to stage 😦 megaphone its not enough to defend myself at coming back 2 the stage, other things that truly says that they wanted to have less universal airy playstyle is the change on how much dodge meter air directional dodges takes now, it seems to take 2, and thats a lot to lose of your dodge meter 😓 ugh...

[honest spruce]

yeah, yall getting nerfed is prob due to potential and not form, and even then faster falling is not smth i wouldve expected or thought would be a good nerf

[woven kite]

Exactly :c

Idk unu

[honest spruce]

very sad indeed

[woven kite]

I liked more my airy velma 😭 I came from an airy jigglypuff, Im not used to ground playstyle

[honest spruce]

pls, get down, i cant back air u from that high ^^

[woven kite]

Dont worry after all this changes all velmas will be more groundie, forced to be groundies ofc but well we r not balloons anymore 😅😅

[boreal wharf]

Did Velma get any new combo routes?

[wooden jolt]

if they do that, they should've buff her ground neutral special speed back to beta one

[wooden jolt]

dtilt into up special (beaker)

up special into up air (work around 100ish)

[wooden jolt]

but its also depend on the damage @boreal wharf

too high is kinda impoossible to hit

cuz they knocked back so fast

[woven kite]

Ikr?

[wooden jolt]

@grizzled lichen

xP

[grizzled lichen]

YOU MAD LAd

[wooden jolt]

hehehe

im on top 1 velma rn

[grizzled lichen]

Nooooo

closee

nice

[wooden jolt]

i utilize the fast fall alot

esp the up air fast fall

[grizzled lichen]

dangg taking notes

[wooden jolt]

ehh dont take too much notes

cuz i just using the feature they gave us

[grizzled lichen]

gg

[wooden jolt]

like

u stiill better using velma movesets

[grizzled lichen]

what was that combo you did in 2nd death of mine

that was fast

[wooden jolt]

cuz i rarely use the book spam

[wooden jolt]

the one caused tech?

its the dtiiilt into up special

[grizzled lichen]

ohh niceee thanksieee

[wooden jolt]

Dtiiilt can be use to up air too @grizzled lichen

but depend on how many damage opp have

cuz its too fast

[grizzled lichen]

i was shook when that happen

[wooden jolt]

@grizzled lichendid u see my dtilt kiill?

in velma main server

[grizzled lichen]

i havent yet waitt

[wooden jolt]

agaiinst a tnj

[wooden jolt]

i guess we still bottom tier after all guys

marvin become super oppresive

u dont have advantage at all this time

[woven kite]

fr

[cursive tendon]

Velma sucks had to uninstall the game

good luck to those who choose to play a struggling detective

[wooden jolt]

im sitting at top 1 velma cuz majority velma player stopped playing

[woven kite]

Thanks 😭

[ivory hatch]

Didn't they say Velma was too oppresive like during Season 1 or 2?

[wooden jolt]

She isnt lol and those people complained just dont know how to counter her and she was only oppresive in 2s which ofc

[desert roost]

People complain about Velma blurbs...but like. Bugs has tons of projectiles, Rick, and Morty projectiles. Mind you they called her oppressive zoner before shields were a thing. When all these other characters with far better projectiles existed lol

[wooden jolt]

Thats i been saying

Like dude how tf none complained about other mages looking at marvins they complain velma

[desert roost]

They literally have bugs a "projectile" (dynamite) that goes through projectile shields?! @wooden jolt

Like why did he NEED THAT

People literally run so fast in the game now that blurbs can't even keep up and since they are on a timer now...they just disappear LOL.

[wooden jolt]

Not to mention the projectile dynamite still kill you early

[warm lily]

Velma is easily the easiest mage to deal with. Anyone who complains about Velma has a skill issue

[wooden jolt]

And those people cause velms getting nerfs

[woven kite]

not an opinion, a fact

cause she is the worst mage out there

unbalanced moveset + no proper kill confirm options

💔

[woven kite]

as a velma main, welcome velma mains to our...

MEGAPHONE📣ERA

[woven kite]

[muted holly]

[warm lily]

[woven kite]

omg you guys are alive!!

[wooden jolt]

📣 ============🌬️

[desert roost]

💡

[inner canyon]

[woven kite]

chat is so dead :((

💔😔

[muted holly]

[desert roost]

@rose abyss Now that aint velma

[rose abyss]

Don't trip, I'm gonna go back to playing Velma in a few days. The Velma ranked grind will begin soon ! ❤️ ggs

[woven kite]

I love velma she is the best omg

[desert roost]

@sacred dagger ggs and wp ❤️

[sacred dagger]

Gg!
Black adam just made that match up so hard xD
You got me using shield break more.
I barely be playing though 😐

[desert roost]

Haha! Yeah BA literally makes Velma approach in 2’s. Until that barrier goes away.

Velma shield break is really good!! I’m glad you’re using it more. Gotta use that shield too.

[runic burrow]

@woven kite ggs btw. Always good to run into a fellow Velma

[woven kite]

😭OMGGGGGGGGG I KNEW YOU WERE INTO THIS SERVER BUT I COULDNT FIND YOUR @ GGS you played so good that you even destroyed me 🫶 loving my velma sisterhood so bad

[muted holly]

we have to da a velma only ffa before mvs shuts down

[woven kite]

we cant 😦 u unistalled MVS long time ago

[muted holly]

Did you know there is this option to reinstall?

[woven kite]

Well yeah

[muted holly]

I can and will reinstall mvs for an occasion like that

[woven kite]

yay owo

shutdown is coming 💔

[muted holly]

Deserved for never properly buffing Velma

[woven kite]

I agree with the statement when people think they were so bad at balancing the characters that they couldnt even find a good way to get velma decent again, bc if she too buffed she could become her beta release version, I dont want to feel betrayed or negative about this game over all when all this is ending in like 2 weeks 😦 I really liked this game and I loved being a velma main like you guys have no idea, she deserved the best, but they werent able to deliver it to her, so she tanked during all the relaunch I guess

[rose abyss]

❤️

[hallow fractal]

[solid eagle]

Are there any Variants for the character with unique voicelines?

[desert roost]

I think the Halloween skin. Not entirely sure. @solid eagle

[wooden jolt]

Nope

Like literally none

Other than witch skin has different animation on winning losing and starting animation also spawn animation (when game started)

While the mystic visa only lobby animation

[rose abyss]

[wooden jolt]

VELMA MAIN\

assemble...

for the last time before this game gone

[calm herald]

I'll miss all you fellow Velmas

[wooden jolt]

[rose abyss]

ggs y'all ❤️

[woven kite]

IM CRYING; FAREWELL MY DEAR AND BELOVED VELMA SISTERHOOD 😭 yall keep solving mysteries pls!!

[desert roost]

It's been fun! ❤️

[boreal wharf]

It was fun while it lasted ❤️

[tidal onyx]

I enjoyed playing this awful character with y’all

[woven kite]

lmao 🫶 mwah

[muted holly]