Velma

[ancient pagoda]

I mean it works with jab 1 2 into cd book lol

You get the static proc

[muted holly]

we got shadow buffed

[ancient pagoda]

Nvm no it doesn’t, static is bad

[desert roost]

by whut o:

[ancient pagoda]

Air side special still meh, can’t even follow up, I got the bot on dodge random after hitstun to mix up DI and it’s still meh

[muted holly]

just play a match, you will feel it

we might be low b tier now

shaggy is still S tier

and even more cancerous then before

[boreal wharf]

She should stay there 🙏

[muted holly]

we need better framedata and then ill be satisfied

[atomic otter]

What’s the Velma bug

[muted holly]

Whenever someone tries to break mystery van, they randomly get stuck on it but can still attack it, if they break it when they are stuck they just die 3 times randomly

[atomic otter]

Probably that’s why we can’t play 😭

[muted holly]

Yup

That bug is ridiculously broken

[atomic otter]

They just need to remove mystery van then we are good

I think remove sair aswell

Sair gets a lot of clues I think

[boreal wharf]

@muted holly did Velma get any new combo routes or anything?

[muted holly]

Strings into and out of air sspecial are more consistent and more rewarding

Also that move is crazy good for killing now

[white locust]

@muted holly Have you played against someone with Sturdy dodger yet?

[muted holly]

Wth is that

New perk?

[white locust]

@muted hollyIts the projectile parry perk. They changed it to give armor if you dodge a projectile. It has no cooldown

Its STUPID broken against any character that uses ranged

[muted holly]

Ffs

Luckily haven't faced that yet

[boreal wharf]

Putting that on fs

[muted holly]

Also little advice I have now that it is still unknown, dtilt over a corner > fastfall dair is true now

Can result into really early kills

[white locust]

I played against a Harley and everytime she used the jack in the box or bomb I just get free armor

Its laughable how good iti s

[boreal wharf]

How many stacks do you get?

[white locust]

1 hit of armor

for 2 seconds

But this can give characters with no armor armor making it insane

Morty hits a grenade at you, free armor for 2 seconds

If he stops using it, value anyway

[boreal wharf]

Yeah it would fs add up

[muted holly]

What perk slot does it go into?

[white locust]

first

So you have to replace snowball

[muted holly]

Didn't even use Snowball in the first place

[white locust]

But I mean the constant threat of armor makes it worth it because your opponent cant spam projectiles too easily

[muted holly]

Noted

[boreal wharf]

Velma feels great in twos

[desert roost]

Black adam got heavily nerfed, yikes!

[woven kite]

yes bc, she have ever feelt amazing in 2s 😭❤️

[boreal wharf]

Her damage is a bit over tuned I kinda think it needs a slight nerf but it’s always been good but everything else feels great

[woven kite]

what perk should I use instead? bc that´s the perk I have ever used in that slot-

[woven kite]

yes! feels playable and not that uncomfy as she feels into 1s, we need the bubbles to have a little bit more of hitstun after hitting

[woven kite]

oh shoot that sounds useful to going against characters with projectiles, but not for the others ones that doesnt have them

[sterile flame]

so is there new velma combo routes in using air side special?

[unique pond]

How is Velma now?

[wooden jolt]

@white locust tbf superman laser is 50/50

Like if it hits platform its kinda annoying i cant dodge it without using dodge meter

[wooden jolt]

Still dog water

[boreal wharf]

Great in 2s maybe top 10 possibly lower in 1s well thats another story

[unique pond]

Sounds like a mixed bag

[wooden jolt]

I felt we should talked more. About 1s instead 2s

Like

2s is just straight hell hole lol

Too chaotic

[boreal wharf]

I can’t see them currently buffing Velma without nerfing her ngl

Her damage is kinda insane I mean it’s always been great

[wooden jolt]

I mean she dealt big damage cuz she only has single target moves

[unique pond]

Soooooo buff Velma?

[wooden jolt]

Single hit*

Like flashlight

It dealt 10 for a reason that it single use

Single hit*

[boreal wharf]

She still needs buffs fs especially in 1s

She feels good in 2s tho

[unique pond]

Make her S tier tbh

[wooden jolt]

It isnt fun that she is team reliant tho

[boreal wharf]

Agreed

[white locust]

You could literally hold forward and dodge it

Its the worst hit box in the entire game

You could dodge it standing stationary doing nothing

[unique pond]

Skill issue tbh

[boreal wharf]

Am I the only person that uses crawl? I use it to dodge projectiles and other things sometimes even if it makes the screen blurry

[wooden jolt]

I rarely use it

Cux still got punished

[wooden jolt]

Problem is i tried that, cuz velma is slow (if u compared with 90% of roster that isnt heavy) she is slow

[atomic otter]

Wow that’s perfect

I need to make a custom perk

[white locust]

Its for sure not lasting more then 2 weeks or so

Its getting nerfed somehow

And in 2s it becomes 4 seconds. Laughbly strong

[ember horizon]

did they not buff nubia or BJ this patch?

those characters need em too

[wooden jolt]

Bj got nerf i think

[ember horizon]

thats crazy

BJ needs help

[merry dawn]

I’m pretty sure his hitboxes were updated but not a nerf

[wooden jolt]

Readjust tbf

[desert sonnet]

Hello. I'm gonna try to play ranked more.
I only reached gold last season.
What are the recommended perks to equip to Velma?

[woven kite]

same question, what perk should I use if you guys have the snowball one qwq

[woven kite]

was very hard to me to reach to platinum last season omg

[atomic otter]

@muted holly #general message

My character is cooked

I’m never getting a buff

[muted holly]

🫡

good luck with that

[atomic otter]

Content creators = puts Nubia on a low tier

Pros = puts Nubia on a low tier

Nubia mains = puts Nubia on a low tier

nakat = Nubia is extremely good, I need of nerfs fr fr

[woven kite]

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

[muted holly]

[glad urchin]

[woven kite]

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

[muted holly]

certified moment

[woven kite]

Yes

[boreal wharf]

Does he even play the game competitively anymore

[sterile flame]

i see air side special has potential

[shadow cliff]

She's still so bad

Raven is just her but better in every way

[runic burrow]

Small bit of tech I learned, you can insta delete Raven bird with camera.
I'm usually a Smith main, but I played Velma in Alpha/Beta and I thought I'd give her a whirl.

The fact that I am 69th Velma in the world in 1s at Silver 5 kinda feels bad tho

[muted holly]

no one wants to play her because she is by far the worst currently

[runic burrow]

Well, the changes to Smith's d-tilt mucked up my muscle memory enough to come here. So I'll make the best of the climb anyhow

[muted holly]

well have fun however long that may last

[woven kite]

Velma and jake are just good options if the player haves skill with those characters moveset, otherwise it wont be worth it 💔

[woven kite]

Good luck I believe in you

[boreal wharf]

Have you finally given up lucid 💔

[wooden jolt]

@boreal wharfall of us planning not getting master

[boreal wharf]

Hop on raven 💯

[wooden jolt]

welp i might use batman or nubia rn

[boreal wharf]

Understandable

[woven kite]

how is that anti projectile perk called? 💔

[ancient pagoda]

You guys still have jab up tilt dair lol

[ancient pagoda]

They took it out, it was broken in 2’s

[woven kite]

OMG WE CHEEEREEEED IT IS REALLY OUT? WHEN WAS IT LMAO?

[ancient pagoda]

It was taken out yesterday, it was legit trash to play against

[woven kite]

IM SO HAPPY NO WAYY thanks to god it got removed bc it literally could kill all velma posibilities to win 😭 I played against one nubia with that perk, even I won, it was frustrating

[ancient pagoda]

Instead of that now in 2’s, some people run the grey health in spawn so they spawn in with 30 grey health.

[woven kite]

I´m currently using that one, its called stronger than ever, imo is the right one for me since Im good at matches but not good enough to survive and took my opponent´s 3 stocks ;w;

[runic burrow]

True, but my go to was jab1>2>dtilt>dodge cancel into stuff. It wasn't "optimal" but after they took out the weaken perk, and they made it harder to do his ladder to kill at around 90+, my muscle memory betrays me.
Also the new tech roll distance is hard to work around for the jab>utilt>dair loops and I'm lazy to learn it.

[wooden jolt]

Sturdy dodger

[woven kite]

it got removed right? owo

or that´s another one

[wooden jolt]

Thats the perk name

[woven kite]

but it is the perk that gives you (tank) shield/protection after getting hit by one projectile?

[wooden jolt]

Nope

Whenever u dodge a projectile

Gain armor for 2 sec and in 2v2 it can be up to 4

[woven kite]

oh ok then! C: bc youre talking about othe perk, the one perk that im talking about in fact got deleted then, oooof we velmas are safe

[woven kite]

that one is cool and fair

[white locust]

Removed. Bug in 2v2s

[woven kite]

I hope it never comes back....

[white locust]

So projectiles can stay broken?

[woven kite]

well yes, pls

stay broken owo

[glad urchin]

3 gm velmas in dubs already
camilawtv, vaughnwick and theerealmonkey
goats

hopefully more velmas will be gm

[woven kite]

nice!

[woven kite]

yep!

just wait

[wooden jolt]

@glad urchin camilaw always been top 1

Global

Im stuck as top 1 in asia only

[glad urchin]

I'm #28 velma in dubs rn

I dropped morty and superman so I hope solo velma is worth it

[boreal wharf]

People still complaining about van in big 2024 crazy 💔

[muted holly]

for the moment yea, got tired of not being able to compete against arya and smith

[atomic otter]

#clips message

This Velma got robbed 😭

[muted holly]

van is insanely bugged currently

https://medal.tv/games/multiversus/clips/j5zIq198NCWp5tYGx?invite=cr-MSxtbWUsMjYzMDAxMTc2LA

just look at that

[boreal wharf]

It’s op and has no counterplay according to some!!!

[muted holly]

nonono it is litteraly insanely bugged to the point of beyond broken

[muted holly]

just watch this

[atomic otter]

Omg you guys found the method

I’m playing Velma

Is there any tournaments soon?

2 insta kills is crazy 😭

[muted holly]

rising phoenix or smt tomorrow, TVO on sunday

but that bug only seems to be happening against bugs and rick currently

[atomic otter]

Good bugs needs nerfs

Dude can kill at 50% #clips message

I don’t know why someone has so much knockback in their upair 🤦‍♂️

[woven kite]

Why they buffed too much them?!

[muted holly]

overpowered since relaunch and never nerfed

[woven kite]

😮‍💨😮‍💨

[woven kite]

😟 WTH

[inland junco]

nvm bro

ur character is d tier

i get it

may they one day actually buff velma

[marsh gulch]

ur so carried by neutral attack it isn’t even funny

[inland junco]

ur runnin around whole game nothing else i can do 🤷‍♂️

but fr

may they actually buff velma

agent smith unerfed for 2 seasons

and velma getting neglected

lol

[muted holly]

[marsh gulch]

@muted holly jake player

[muted holly]

ahh

[marsh gulch]

spamming neutral attack and that disgusting spin move with crazy knockback

[woven kite]

oh

[woven kite]

dont worryyyyyy, do you use to main jake?

[woven kite]

its a good start up for first interaction

[ancient pagoda]

I don’t even bother for tech roll reads anymore, they buffed the distance on them, I just go for one ground bounce into confirmed damage now or just drop a jab and read their reaction out of hitstun tbh

[ancient pagoda]

That clip is crazy, what’s crazy is they supposedly nerfed that with changing the angle up air sends now, it’s supposed to send you diagonal now

[inland junco]

again im sorry that your character is designed that way but when your running around the whole map for 7 minutes my only options as jake against a velma is neutral air and side air 😂 I am POSITIVE that the match was not fun for both of us so it is what it is.

[woven kite]

Velmas have to be really mix on their playstyle 😭 I remember when I played her like that, I felt like people I was going against were so done of me omg 💀 ngl I would be too

[sterile flame]

man...how come agent smith can jab jab dash and can still reach velma, while velma on the other hand cant after jab jab book aaaa

im losing my mind in 1v1

[runic burrow]

You also have down special to reflect the speech bubbles in a pinch

[runic burrow]

It's so strange. Velma Jab1>2>Book only sometimes can dash cancel convert into another jab combo, but it's only at near %0

[woven kite]

So unfair

[woven kite]

GUYS THE BUGS BUNNY WLITCH INSTA KILL JUST HAPPENED TO MYE

that was so undair lmao

[unkempt aurora]

@muted holly sorry for the @ but ngl am i crazy to think that ppg vs velma is in velmas favor? I saw the tier list and ngl whenever i see ppg i feel like i can actually play the game

[sterile flame]

man the hitboxes in this game

its so annoyingg

idk what to do with samurai jack keep spamming side special when i already dodge it

[unkempt aurora]

empty hop and bait him

you have to play VERY passive that match up imo

get like 10-15% then play passive. get in get out

[muted holly]

they just need to close the gap once to start beating you up

you cant get em off properly once they are at close range

[unkempt aurora]

I agree, but do you find it easier to land flashlight and camera vs them?

[muted holly]

camera is harder against them then for example shaggy or lebron

[unkempt aurora]

hm interesting, i feel like i hit camera on them way easier than any other character 🤷‍♂️

[muted holly]

flashlight isnt harder to land per se but you just have the framedata issue exploited on close range

[unkempt aurora]

yeah and my logic is "Cant get close to me if flashlight covers almost my entire body vs a small character"

[muted holly]

small characters generally are a problem against velma

[grizzled lichen]

man the lack of velma content in youtube

cryinnn

[unkempt aurora]

Nebula would be your best bet, they are on twitch tho not youtube

[unique pond]

did this account get banned or something

[grizzled lichen]

mannn its so hard to land camera

even if i land it...it still wont kill

c r y

[wooden jolt]

whyddya say that?

[unique pond]

He left or got banned on that account and used the new one

[muted holly]

solve the mystery

[unique pond]

banned

What did he say 😂

[unique pond]

@marsh gulch Sorry i gave up i keep getting this bug where my controls just stop working

Ggs tho

BRO

Literally cant play

[grizzled lichen]

Nahhh just change my account cause too lazy keep swapping

Also yippiee top 43 Velma 🙌 in 1v1

[glad urchin]

6 velmas in grandmasters in dubs

[glad urchin]

ngl I thought I'd co-main raven and velma but raven isn't really for me so I'm just a solo velma probably until this game dies

also #16 velma in dubs rn

[glad urchin]

and my old mains got gutted

[ember horizon]

which characters

[glad urchin]

morty and superman

Velma is now the main priority

been playing her since beta

[ember horizon]

I didn't even realize superman got touched this seaosn

[woven kite]

Amazing :3

[woven kite]

Amazing keep going!

[unique pond]

How do u guys hit camera

i always use it when they dodge somehow

[glad urchin]

we're just built different

[unique pond]

That doesn’t help

[desert roost]

You play morty and superman...you're transitioning to main velma. You are one mad man, I like that.

[unkempt aurora]

I use camera for micro spacing, if i ever hit someone with it its more of a "I throwing it out there to read your movement and if it hits it hits, if not then i play the landing game"

if you use this logic tho, just be aware that your going to have to get really good at the Velma movement game as a whole

[unique pond]

whats her movement game?

i play garnet so im used to slow

also i hate velma

shes so bad

but like

i wanna play her

[unkempt aurora]

may i add you to link you something?

[unique pond]

yea

[unkempt aurora]

added

[unique pond]

accepted

[grizzled lichen]

Why does the van ran away when the enemy hits it???

[merry dawn]

it’s another glitch that was added this patch

[grizzled lichen]

using velmas air side special feels good if timing

[woven kite]

that doesnt have the right of being so funny LOL

[woven kite]

its stronger with the pass of the seasons, that´s good! it was very useless before

[ivory hatch]

Why are we allowed to destroy our own power?

Does this encourage not trying to lock an opponent in hitstun while the van rushes towards them?

Feels like I just have to stand back and watch the van try and catch them

[woven kite]

I have ever questionated that, if a Velma spawn her van, that Velma should be able to destroy it, it´s stupid that you are able to hit it :/

[woven kite]

for real, we have to make pressure or the opponent will make the van go off the stage

[ivory hatch]

Yeah man, I think in the company's mind, they thought "The opponent needs ample opportunity to dodge such a powerful attack. They should not have to worry about two things coming after them!"

It's not like Velma has to build up her power overtime

[woven kite]

😭 PLS

[woven kite]

right? its just resource searching with a reward (that sometimes doesnt work bc they shadow nerfed it ;-;)

[unique pond]

Is Velma op in 2v2

[merry dawn]

No

[woven kite]

Sorry dear no, but is more comfy during 2s

In 2s, velma's kit feels better

[unique pond]

damn she doesnt get anything

[woven kite]

She feels playable in 2s, but in 1s velma in fact its a torture to play, bc you have to read and prevent to not get into a combo, thats hard bc velma is very slow like tanks

[unique pond]

it feels like playing garnet on ozempic

in 1s

shes so commital

[woven kite]

LMAOOO

[woven kite]

She feels like she haves a "GET AWAY FROM ME" gameplay style since almost all her moves and attacks pushes the enemy so you cant really "combo" with her, her "combos" are reading based

[unique pond]

she should get what stripe has a target on all attacks

also why does she feel like shes got like 2 ton weights in her pocket

like offstage it feels like youre playing as a boulder

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

That would sound cool but she already haves it for the bubbles text to speech projectils

[woven kite]

She is very heavy like WW bc of the clue searching and the van thing, thats why

[woven kite]

[unique pond]

Ohhh she fits the van in her pocket

[woven kite]

😅😅

[unique pond]

How all does the targeting work

[woven kite]

Text to speech bubbles projectils haves a first projectile, that looks like the word "HEY!" and it will cross the map Horizontally till it lands on the floor or in some fighter, if it lands in an opponent your bubbles projectils will go and try to hit the person targeted with the "HEY!" projectils, the targeting projectile will disappear in seconds ouy of the person targeted so you can target another opponent/ally

[unique pond]

ah ok

[woven kite]

:3

[unique pond]

❤️

[muted holly]

If you miss your HEY bubble it will either despawn or when it hits the floor (or a wall) leave a stationary bubble on the ground that should apply mark when walking trough it but it seems to be very bugged

[unique pond]

You guys r in the trenches with this character

[muted holly]

À lot of us have partially dropped her for the moment

[unique pond]

idek how you guys played her in the first place

I wanna like her

but man its just so unfun sometimes

[ember horizon]

shes fun if you can land CD books

CD book to upair kills really early

but otherwise yeah its just attrition

[woven kite]

Our mistery machine needs it buffs back 😭💔

[glad urchin]

top 20 velma in dubs rn hopefully will be at least top 50 by the end of the season

[woven kite]

wow good job :3

keep going

[rose abyss]

Keep it up ! 👍🏻

[runic burrow]

I made it to Top 70 Velma in 1s, but that's at Gold 5 and it's so rough out here. I have to work 2-3 times as hard as at least half the roster to make anything happen, and a lot of my get-in schemes are pretty telegraphed.

It's so disheartening

[woven kite]

Rankeds are wild, I always get stuck on gold a few weeks... And at the end of the season my peak is platinum ;w;, yes that's what being a velma main feels like 😭 but hey you are doing an awesome work believe me, cgs keep going ❤️

[runic burrow]

Thanks yo.

[woven kite]

of course!

[grizzled lichen]

not me struggling fighting the gremlins aaaa

how yall deal with stripe and gizmo?

[calm herald]

I just cope with Stripe

[boreal wharf]

Just pray they aren’t good at the game 🙏

[woven kite]

idk... I always lose to them :((

but I think that with both of them it would work an offensive playstyle, like not letting both of them take a breath, overall stripe, always attack with your cooldown book, so you dont lose the first interaction

gizmo haves a decent speed but he is very combeable if you dont let that character take a breath lol

[runic burrow]

Gizmo's biggest drawback is he's lighter than a balloon. He's KO'd at really early percentages.

[woven kite]

I cant agree at all 😭 he is heavier than harley, and he haves a similar weight to PPG

[runic burrow]

Wait really? I used to play Gizmo in beta and I would get KO'd at 90 or so easily

It's been a little bit since I've tried to pick him up again, but I don't remember him being that heavy

Also, Velma players, what are your perks of choice to use?

[woven kite]

him weight got side changed I guess :p

[woven kite]

no no dont worry he got kinda changed thats why

[woven kite]

I dont remeber the names but ill show you guys a picture

#off-topic there are my perks

idk how to tag a message :,3

[grizzled lichen]

really need some new perks that can really help velma mannn

[woven kite]

yiah

[runic burrow]

I see more folks running broken wings nowadays. I had to swap to it on Smith when I play him as well.

[grizzled lichen]

man im raging rn no matter how many dodges i do against smith,shaggy,jack,batman i still get hit

and it so hard to get a kill secure

my god

[glad urchin]

I guess this is making you Velmad

[grizzled lichen]

fr

[woven kite]

the reason is bc people now likes to kill you with a spike attack 😮‍💨 😮‍💨 jacks-😮‍💨 😮‍💨

so ok this saves me a little bit

😮‍💨 😮‍💨 iron giants-😮‍💨 😮‍💨

[woven kite]

for real 😭

[woven kite]

that´s a good one hehe

[grizzled lichen]

yeah gonna stay at top #41...

will there be a new patch soon?

or is it after marceline is release?

[runic burrow]

not sure. Marceline release will def come with a patch

[grizzled lichen]

h o p i n g

[woven kite]

youre doing good!

[woven kite]

praying rn with you guys

[runic burrow]

Dang, I wish I got footage of it, but I reversal'd a taunting Steven in 1s. He didn't expect me to go that deep off stage for the confirm.

He was plat. We take those.

#58 baybeeee

[grizzled lichen]

ghad im tilted today

gonna rest on velma

[runic burrow]

Just to say, I like your perk set a lot more than the aggressive style I was trying. The extra grey health helps in a pinch and the broken wings is very useful.
I'm now #48 in 1s

I'm gonna sit on this top 50. I'm sick and shouldn't even be playing today 😅

[woven kite]

nice job!

[woven kite]

its ok to take a rest :c I believe in MVS burnout

[woven kite]

oh thanks a lot! I choosed those ones bc those can help me with my actual flaws in combat, youre doing amazing 😮

[woven kite]

get well soon

[wooden jolt]

5%, flammable, broken wings (i use speed boost cuz felt better i think), and puglidt or lightning

[glad urchin]

mystery machine buffs lfg

but also some nerfs

now people can mash out of mystery machine

[grizzled lichen]

did they bought back the mash out from the beta?

[glad urchin]

it does say in the notes that you have to a button mash to get out

easier at low percents but harder at higher percents

[grizzled lichen]

man they didnt fix where if velma hits the van it will get destroyed

[grizzled lichen]

is the velma 0td still available? i tried doing a combo on the enemy but for some reason the next book keeps missing

[atomic otter]

Too much Velma buffs man

[merry dawn]

it’s a bit weird now with the introduction of fast falling

but I’ve been having some issues performing the 0td, prob just a skill issue on my part tho

[grizzled lichen]

Ohh that's whyyy

[warm lily]

But now it should actually jump to catch people on platforms

[woven kite]

🙄 shooo

[woven kite]

true... :/

[iron plinth]

Rip mystery machine

[runic burrow]

Mystery Machine buffs! But also nerfs!

[woven kite]

😭 idk how to feel, I might try the mystery machine first, but I dont like what the patch notes says...

[woven kite]

yea

[iron plinth]

Making it last 10 seconds unless it gets someone kinda just encourages camping, doesn’t it?

Wait it out so it’s not a real threat

[runic burrow]

I already had people using all their air abilities to just bait the van off the platform anyhow.

Batman glide, Bugs glide. Raven Glide.

[woven kite]

idk, to me mystery machine was my killing confirm :,c

[runic burrow]

Just wait off platform for the pesky van to wreck itself

[woven kite]

ugh, so annoying

[woven kite]

😭 ikr?

I hope that van goes and catch people REALLY fast

[atomic otter]

Imma go offstage with airwalker 😁

[woven kite]

it will catch you 🫂❤️

[runic burrow]

I just had my Van just drive off the ledge, didn't even try to track my opponent

You can't be serious...

[hallow fractal]

Bring back season 3 van

Daphne was putting in work

Idk who driving now.

[median heron]

people can still make the van fall off? lol

[runic burrow]

Man my Van just drove off the ledge vs a Smiff player. No tracking whatsoever

And since they can mash out now, it's even less of a viable kill move

I wouldn't mind this much if Velma was buffed overall to make up for removing one of her working kill move. But she's not been touched other than her van

[median heron]

so, they made it to where the van can't capture people in hitstun (2s nerf), the van doesn't insta kill anymore at 32% or higher 'cuz people can mash out easier, there's a reduction to the capture hitbox size, and it still falls off the map?

that's absolutely terrible

[runic burrow]

And it's still made of tissue paper, so any knockback move is gonna push it off the map anyhow.

Man, this is really really disheartening

[median heron]

did Velma at least get any new combos? maybe jab 2 > grounded down-special (book off CD) into jab 2 again

[runic burrow]

No. The only thing changed about Velma was the Van

[median heron]

damn. well that's a yikes

[runic burrow]

I am unsure who gave the OK to make one of the weakest characters in the game (imo) even weaker

[woven kite]

guys I consider this patch a in fact nerf to the van...

[runic burrow]

Big same

[woven kite]

I knew it, I knew that this was not going to be good for us, jesus, now it kill confirms at 80, when it used to kill confirm at 40...

also is very soft, very weak and easy to push away and destroy omg

shaggy kick will destroy it very fast ugh, I´m so upset, why should PFG gut her more than she already is??

[runic burrow]

Yeah, this change makes no sense to me

[woven kite]

like, they gave to the worst character a nerf into their best attack/gimmick

wth??

well worst ones are velma, marvin, gizmo, and BJ, not only Velma :,c

[warm lily]

I don’t get why they’re so allergic to buffing Velma’s actual moves

Maybe it’s because she’s actually decent in 2v2, but she’s still bottom 1 in 1v1

[woven kite]

fr, the megaphone really needs buffs ;-;

[woven kite]

right!

[desert roost]

Lmao AND she was! They put Fred back in the driver seat, I need my girl daphne to take over again.

[hallow fractal]

Plss like all this damn jumping is too much. She would just drive straight off lol

[wooden jolt]

The only good thing is we have lesser endlag on the van and van get out faster

[glad urchin]

I guess I'll check it out when I'm up in the morning

[woven kite]

Lmao thats the only good thing 😭😭😭 I hope they undo this nerf...

[wooden jolt]

They wont , cuz that 1 complaining batman post

[woven kite]

Wich post?.... 😭 Omg they did this to velma bc of a MVS clip?

[wooden jolt]

Nate tweet

[woven kite]

Could you pls share post link? :'3

[runic burrow]

If they actually nerfed Velma's van over that fake af tweet, then we're doomed

[wooden jolt]

@runic burrow https://x.com/homiecallmenate/status/1857204106869592519?s=46

[runic burrow]

I've seen the tweet. That batman had so many options and just fell into Van

[woven kite]

Oh we are so doomed, that clip made no sense to me 😭 WTH CAN YOU JUST JUMP OF THE EDGE AND LET VAN GO AWAY? ISNT THAT EASY?

[woven kite]

He also was making fun of velma getting her van nerfed

#off-topic

[runic burrow]

Someone needs to make some busted footage of WW stat.

It's the only way to make the devs listen I guess 🙃

[boreal wharf]

It’s insane how you can have so many options and still complain about a van that takes half the game to get

[glad urchin]

this is so ass

[woven kite]

For real omg, that was skill issue, he was complaining about something that literally all the MVS community knows how to deal with it, just jump out of the edge and wait for the van to leave ;-;

[woven kite]

Im so devasted

[glad urchin]

Anyone gonna get the elusive velma skin?

[woven kite]

I will :,3 or well ill try

[muted holly]

ofcourse

[grizzled lichen]

100 YES

Okay like how fast I can finally spawn the van

Oh wait nevermind

[woven kite]

;-;

its a nerf. remember that

💔

[glad urchin]

I managed to kill a superman at sub 50 with the van

[median heron]

wait a minute

is grounded down-attack into down-special (van) true now?

i just thought about it 'cuz it's advanced 30 frames

[ivory hatch]

Whagt

[median heron]

ima try it in training mode next time I get on

[woven kite]

yes

[woven kite]

maybe you can do it with 50 percent of damage

[median heron]

oh, excellent. it's a really good out of shield confirm then

[woven kite]

:,3

[merry dawn]

I tried it and it’s not unfortunately

[woven kite]

sad right?

I tried too

didnt work :C

but its a good combination concept

[desert sonnet]

No.
I'll just get the Wonder Woman and Raven skins that are worth 3. I'm not interested in any of the elusive ones in this event.

[woven kite]

valid

[merry dawn]

yea, maybe it could work if they’re in burnout

[grizzled lichen]

Wishing the camera gets a buff 😭😭

[faint fossil]

My condolences to the mystery machine for getting nerfed just because of a twitter clip.

[unkempt aurora]

I always joke about how the devs should nerf velma, and they actually did. I actually hate it here

[woven kite]

Like me 🥰

[woven kite]

😦 thanks... We velma mains can never get anything for us

[woven kite]

Same, we all joke about it, but this is unfair ATP

They gutted her MORE

[unkempt aurora]

At this point im actually done defending the devs. I assume the people balancing the game actually dont play at a decently high level therefore all the balance done to the game is done through more of a lense of a casual player and not players with actual somewhat understanding of the game

[woven kite]

ofc they are trying to fix a game that they dont play, they might think that this is balancing, but when are we getting an in fact balanced patch? I know its a hard work to get all of us pleased about it and hard to balance a whole roster but omg... doing changes on how someone stupidly failed is in fact something else

[unkempt aurora]

The issue is they literally nerfed a noob trap on a already awful character is in 1s, as a game dev i dont HAVE to play the game to make balance chnages. BUT you do have to realize what skills/moves/attacks are noob trap mechanics and ones that take skill. They nerfed a noob trap mechanic because the multiverses community apprently cant take less than 10 seconds to learn how to actually avoid it. Thats a failure on the devs part as much as it is on the community

Ngl i have 0 shame in saying that considering it was apprently so bad they ACTUALLY nerfed it

[woven kite]

for real they made such a disgusting mess just because of a stupid twitter clip of some goofy batman going into some goofy trap that kill confirmed him LOL

[woven kite]

;w; real

[unkempt aurora]

fun fact he was playing against a masters velma in that clip too, not sure the other person rank but yeah idk man im just done with the devs now. They shown they actually dont care about that change in my book

[woven kite]

did you see the batman player clips in his twitter posts too? that batman already KNOWS HOW TO COMBO WITH NO ISSUE oh... but doesnt know how a goofy trap works? omg smh, he got so mad about him being such a bad loser

[woven kite]

😞

same

[grizzled lichen]

What input max frames y'all be using when playing Velma?

[median heron]

17

[spark spade]

if your good with velma

your just good at the game

[woven kite]

accurate ;w;

my winrate is a shoot, ofc I´m bad at the game and bad with Velma LOL

[wooden jolt]

wait

i manage kill jason

that wall camping

waiting for me go away

i drop my van there and it just instantly grab the jason lol

[grizzled lichen]

noiceee

[wooden jolt]

they arent really camping cuz they wall hug since i edge guard

[grizzled lichen]

even though he is easy to read i still get caught by him augh

IM FINALLY PLAT WITH VELMA AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[muted holly]

👏

[glad urchin]

cool now aim for diamond

[grizzled lichen]

help why am i fighting froxy

[glad urchin]

but don't end up being me aka stuck between diamond 2 and diamond 1

still #15 velma in dubs smh

[wooden jolt]

xP

[grizzled lichen]

gg aaaaa

[wooden jolt]

i tried ping u but cant find u xp

[wooden jolt]

@glad urchinim stuck lol in diamond 4 rn

[grizzled lichen]

@wooden jolt againnn

lmaooo

[wooden jolt]

welp

i just got up to diamond 3

[woven kite]

😭❤️ cgs omg, I hope I can get plat soon too :C

[woven kite]

😭

[woven kite]

its really hard 😭

getting out of our stuck state

[woven kite]

good job you all :3

[grizzled lichen]

wtf i didnt know ground side special can kill ravens crow

was hoping multiversus can record matches

[grizzled lichen]

weird raven struggles against velma

or is it just me lmao

also yipieee top #27

[woven kite]

It can destroy almost everything LOL

[woven kite]

MVS needs some features that other games haves

[woven kite]

I cant deal with zoner ravens

[woven kite]

Good job :3

[runic burrow]

I'm learning to cope with new Van in some matchups. But I still wish Velma had a little help with combo tools.

[runic burrow]

However, I'm getting into the tier of players who will just run far away from me if I just hold Van. Even though I don't have my combo tool anymore (and I'm usually 60-80% or more at the time).

Had a Taz just run away from me til I used it. I conceded after 1. Game was so boring

[woven kite]

same :C

[woven kite]

taz is hard to beat

and they r toxic

[grizzled lichen]

thought batman and agent smith and black adam were toxic lmao

[woven kite]

actually they in fact are, those players haves such a big ego, they are so stinky and carried by their characters (batman/Agents) BA are not carried but yeah they are monsters

[runic burrow]

fwiw I'm usually a Smiff main. Every game I just "GG" bubble taunt lol

But lately playing Velma if I'm just getting the short end of the stick, my opponent is quick to taunt and even quicker to teabag. Against Velma. lol

[glad urchin]

Finally master rank with velma in dubs

[median heron]

I just found out Velma's shield break is also a KO move

thoughts?

[woven kite]

I use that too, is very friendly, oh I see

[woven kite]

imagine teabagin a velma main 💀 tf get out of here!!! ikr?

[woven kite]

cgs well done!

[woven kite]

just for light characters :3

[median heron]

I guess that makes sense. I did it to Harley Quinn

[woven kite]

You can do that to harleys, Tom and Jerrys, morties, and marvins

[glad urchin]

thx now I can wait until marceline comes and then I'll just play her

[wooden jolt]

BA spam salt on velma mains

[woven kite]

Ew how childish

[wooden jolt]

And they also went to my twitch wispher just to say ez lol

[woven kite]

💀 🤢

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

✨

[boreal wharf]

Yeah it’s somewhat common I could lose and have 400 damage and they’ll salt and teabag ignoring the fact my teammate died 3 times

Also have gotten quite a few messages

[woven kite]

Bye... how embarassing making fun out of that

[woven kite]

I´m really sorry... I hope those werent too hideous omg, ugh remember to report n´ block

[muted holly]

report n block is weak, send them random nonsense links back

[split bridge]

I like velma and sometimes play 1s with her (not a good win rate),
I hate it when I encounter aggravation more often than I play with other characters.🤢
It's despicable that you can only be so bossy with a weak girl!😒

[chrome yew]

What's up yall, did Velma get some sorta huge buff or something? I've been seeing a lot more people play her, and I'm just curious. Thanks

I don't play Velma btw I play Superman, so that's why I'm wondering

[median heron]

heck no, she got more nerfs. the only beneficial thing is her shield break. devs cooked her as a character

[woven kite]

Oh 😭

[woven kite]

Nerfs 😔

[woven kite]

Dont worry its ok to be curious

[woven kite]

Yeah 😦

[chrome yew]

Thanks for the answer

[chrome yew]

Same to you

[woven kite]

Ofc ofc :3

[grizzled lichen]

really miss her beta microphone badly

and her ground side special cancel

[ivory hatch]

I still don't understand why she can't cancel

It's not like "Oh, this move will KO at early percentages! Gotta balance it somehow"

[woven kite]

Same...

[woven kite]

fr some characters can cancel their attacks but she cant ;-;

isnt fair

[woven kite]

Help me....

[grizzled lichen]

plat 3 in velma noww

[muted holly]

[grizzled lichen]

at top 20

im scared to play rank

[muted holly]

you have nothing to lose

just play

[grizzled lichen]

god lawd

[woven kite]

cgs cgs :3 very good

[woven kite]

same ugh I´m so ahh in this game istg

[woven kite]

unu

[grizzled lichen]

fr

lmao saw camillas tournament in 2v2s with velma and ive been using the megaphone as a ko move too

but then again theres a chance no knockback

aaaaa

[woven kite]

same same, is good if you point it good, if its not pointed good youre over

[woven kite]

true

[muted holly]

agent smiths neutral special is a better megaphone in every way

makes sense right?

a bruiser has a better zoning tool then the zoner

[runic burrow]

I need to take a break from Velma dudes. I'm sorry. She's feeling less and less fun with each game.

[rose abyss]

💔

[glad urchin]

ok

[woven kite]

I got my velma student skin I´m so excited 😭❤️

[gusty drift]

Guess Who Back!🫶🏽

[grizzled lichen]

Gasp it's the goat

[woven kite]

OMAGAAAAAAAAAAD

[atomic otter]

Airwalker Velma goat 💯

[grizzled lichen]

so hard to climb...

lightblub keeps missing even though it should hit

sigh

[unkempt aurora]

looks like velma needs a brighter idea

[woven kite]

😭 Yes

[woven kite]

PUAHAHAHAHA

[grizzled lichen]

back to plat 2

jesas

[woven kite]

:'((

At least you can go higher than plat 5, plat 5 is my peak, Im trying to get plat 5 in this season again

[desert sonnet]

At least I finally reached platinum in 2s :).

[rose abyss]

Oh hey, I just played with you. Ggs ! 👍

[desert sonnet]

Ggs

[grizzled lichen]

https://youtu.be/YTZM6TtXGHM?si=jk3QIvucIkJ6R8Jk

Y'all VELMA COMBOS

[hallow fractal]

Omg you beat my @ss the other day lol

[rose abyss]

Don't say it like that ! 😭 ggs

[hallow fractal]

Lol well you did. Ggs

[lament tusk]

after a long time of deciding nahhh

I'm back

[bronze jay]

New Velma here, I feel like every match with her is longer than me using another character, I never hit the time limit before except for her, is this normal ?

[wooden jolt]

its normal

she has a really bad kills

[muted holly]

DI out invalidades 90% of that

[muted holly]

well considering you just picked her up it is possible, but i have never went to time limit because i play velma, its always the opponent that runs
id assume you dont know how to close the gap in neutral which causes longer games

[wooden jolt]

Playing with ex top 1 steven

Playing with ex top 1 steven

Its not god damn fun how slow the camera frame.is

[woven kite]

cgs amazing :3

[woven kite]

that video was amazing

[woven kite]

is normal when is your first time using her, welcome to velmas sisterhood ✨ 💗

[lament tusk]

so is velma's down special broken or is the book supposed to be stuck to my hand

and just slap people

[ember horizon]

when it's on cooldowns it's replaced by the slap

the slap is one of your only combo starters

[lament tusk]

i'm losing faith in this game. Why is she like this

it looks and feels more like a bug than anything else and why does a light hitting flying book go on cooldown but Black adam can fly and pressure you for days

just beat one and feeling real proud. The saddest attempt of being a tryhard BA player and he lost to me and gave me my 69th win on velma

she can be fun but is confusing to play. Trying to commit though

[lament tusk]

but thank you for answering

[ivory hatch]

I'm telling you man, I believe she's supposed to be weak to compensate for Mystery Machine. The end of an opponent's stock parallels the end of a Scooby Doo episode - being taken away after being unmasked

But if the Mystery Machine is unreliable, then she's just left as a weak character

[lament tusk]

it feels super unreliable

they just jump off stage and wait

Raven Superman and BA can easily cheese it

[ivory hatch]

It's not even that, Velma can destroy her own van

Like why am I being punished for trying to put the opponent in hitstun or punishing them for avoiding the van

It's like you're encouraged to stand back and watch the van desperately try to catch em

[lament tusk]

people that don't know to hit it or hover off stage lose to it easily but I like your idea of how she's intended to be. I don't like that design choice but the idea is fitting for the character but think Van needs to be a little stronger if that's the case

[lament tusk]

I wasn't sure if that's what happened to me earlier but that's lame

[ivory hatch]

There's just multiple ways to counter the van that I don't see why people see it as too strong. Problem is new players, I guess

Like you can even destroy the Evidence to keep Velma from reaching that point

[lament tusk]

what's up with Calculator and this ice chemical?? and up attack not moving her as far after the first one? Thought that maybe the more evidence I get the further it goes but not even

[lament tusk]

or it falls off the map

[ivory hatch]

Yep, I really like the character for having detective-inspired moves. But watching the van get destroyed easily or randomly drive off the map makes me sad

[lament tusk]

This side special too.

[ivory hatch]

You don't even get compensated for failing, you have to collect 6 evidence all over again

I love the side special and what it does. But I think it should be cancel-able during the attack.

So it acts as a bait move

Will Velma keep running? Or will she dodge and hit me with a different move?

[lament tusk]

she feels needlessly complicated when we have all this braindead characters

[ivory hatch]

For a character that revolves around running from monsters, she seems very danger prone (that's Daphne's job)

[ivory hatch]

Yeah...

Don't get me wrong, other characters do seem more difficult to play. Difference is that if you master those characters, you perform well. Even if you practice Velma, the game doesn't feel substantially easier.

[lament tusk]

saw someone's matchup chart for her and its depressing to look at

nothing but L matchups just some get easier

she shouldn't be this hard to play especially not when you know they can see only like 700 people play her

if even

[lament tusk]

just beat a taz and I legit didn't do much he just kinda did it to himself until the two or three kills total where I actually spiked him

[wooden jolt]

they made that changes like ages ago in season 2

[muted holly]

that has to be mine

[lament tusk]

[lament tusk]

I did comment on it

Just said it was sad or depressing to look at

[woven kite]

Ikr?

[woven kite]

😭 For real, she is also slow, slow characters are supposed to lead High amounts of damage of but she leads damage like an assassin, just a little bit hit by hit, what the hell

[grizzled lichen]

thank god im not the only who experience this sh when facing BA

[lament tusk]

Yeah the balance doesn't make sense.

[lament tusk]

Almost all of them play like that and it just doesn't stop

[grizzled lichen]

its the same move over and over

and they always hide in their electric shield

if you try to get in boom

punish

[lament tusk]

How about that dash attack? And that get out of jail dash with a hitbox attatched?

[woven kite]

Ugh 😭, the cooldown book is an attached-to Velma projectile, but the fact that it is an projectile doesnt have sense that it is an projectile when velma doesnt even throw it, this is more like laziness, why wouldnt they change it to just a meelee attack? Thats why the hitboxes are very weird

[grizzled lichen]

honestly just rework her completely

[lament tusk]

This

She needs it. Don't care how fine they think she is. She's not. There's no reason I should be bronze and top 400 with Velma

[muted holly]

they just need to redo her framedata from 0

[grizzled lichen]

thisss

me theorizing they are gonna rework velma if scooby doo is release lmao

cause she does have a interaction with scooby in the voice files

[woven kite]

Yes :((

[woven kite]

Imagine it ✨💖

[ember horizon]

this season in general is a bit left skewed I feel

getting to gold with raven puts you in top 100 for the character

I was expecting it to be a bit more cutthroat given she's the new character but idk

[tribal gyro]

Velma being S tier is amazing this season

[bronze jay]

How do i against wonder women?

[lament tusk]

Troll them is my go to but I'm only Silver 5 with Velma right now so it's a little easy to do so

[bronze jay]

How to troll them?

[grizzled lichen]

honestly avoid and dodge her when she activates her armor and if she attacks and she misses you thats the time you punish her. dont waste your speech bubbles if she goes using her shield cause she can just block those projectiles. I always use them if the "hey" connects and she's in the air that's time to use the bubbles.

dont take my advice for it. i still struggle fighting good wonder woman

[woven kite]

uhmm

[ivory hatch]

I don't have a problem damaging Wonder Woman, it's KO that's the problem

[tribal gyro]

Looking online Velma has the highest win percentage of all other characters so far

[woven kite]

boy shut up, you thought you ate that LMAO

[tribal gyro]

I’m guessing I need to send you the screenshot

[muted holly]

ah yes, winrate certainly means something when no one except for dedicated velma mains play her

[woven kite]

right

[woven kite]

no thank you 😇

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

[tribal gyro]

Well even if it’s only dedicated Velma mains she still has the highest win percentage

[muted holly]

but its a meaningless number

[tribal gyro]

Ok

[tribal gyro]

How is it meaningless?

[muted holly]

because only good players play velma like i told you already

[woven kite]

not me OwO

[tribal gyro]

But if those good players are showing to have high win percentage’s wouldn’t that make her a good character?

[warm lily]

No, casuals tend to have lower win rates on average and more popular characters often have more casual players playing them. This is why you often see characters like Harley and Bugs having awful win rates despite most top players considering them top tier

[tribal gyro]

Well even still if considering casuals into that factor the fact that she still has the highest win rate of all characters with casuals being part of that factor just further supports her being high tier

[muted holly]

but there barely are any casuals playing velma thats tho whole point

[tribal gyro]

Right so if it’s barely any playing even if it’s in ranked. You can’t deny a high win rate doesn’t prove that a character holds a high tier placement. Cause if people on Call of Duty can brag based on K/D ratio then why can’t Velma be considered high tier by having the highest win rate percentage out of all the characters in the game regardless if she is played by good players. It just shows that Velma has the kit of a high tier character. It’s just that a lot of people don’t use her cause she is “boring”

[warm lily]

This

[warm lily]

The average skill level of a Velma player is just significantly higher than the average skill level of a lot of other characters

[muted holly]

you really dont seem to understand the whole point dont you

[warm lily]

The other thing to note is that a tier list looks completely different for high level players vs low level players

When people typically make tier lists, they’re talking about high/top level

Iron Giant for instance is top tier in low level but is considered low tier in top level

Velma is bottom tier in high/top level

[lament tusk]

No, a skilled player can make anything look good so it's irrelevant to say she's good if only good players play her.

They're the only ones who CAN player her and see even moderate success

[tribal gyro]

Is it just easier to just be in denial and say that Velma is low tier than actually admitting and accepting the facts that’s shown by a legit win percentage tracker online?

[lament tusk]

You're one of those only numbers matters people without understanding the logic or reason behind the numbers.

[tribal gyro]

Well is this really a game that you can say is fully based around logic and reason? Lol

[lament tusk]

Not only that she's only got the highest win percentage in 2v2 unranked

[tribal gyro]

Nah the screenshot I sent you is for 1v1

[lament tusk]

Since we're talking about balance yeah and considering so few play her compared to other characters

Well the site right now does not show that so the screenshot is useless

Iron Giant has the highest win rate in 1v1 ranked and Marvin has it in unranked

[tribal gyro]

Well I just sent you another screenshot showing that it’s based on 1v1 results and as you see int the screenshot she is the only S tier character showing her having the highest win rate while also showing how many players use her so…..yeah you can deny all you want but if you don’t go off the numbers then you’re just staying in denial by your own personal feelings

[warm lily]

Looking at it now, Velma has the 10th highest win rate in ranked 1v1 with the second lowest pick rate

[tribal gyro]

What are you getting your sources from?

[lament tusk]

You haven't sent me anything

[warm lily]

Tracker.gg

Tracker.gg takes an average win rate across one week’s worth of data

[lament tusk]

What even is this screenshot from

[warm lily]

And is updated I believe every 12 hours or something like that

[lament tusk]

Every 12hrs yeah

[warm lily]

Across the entire remaining MVS player population, Velma is played in 1v1 ranked on average 174 times per day

Most bad players will try Velma, lose instantly, and never touch her again leaving only the better than average players

[lament tusk]

Pretty low.

[warm lily]

And thus her pick rate declines

[lament tusk]

I'm trying her now. Winning somehow but I'm also in bronze so

[warm lily]

That’s the other thing

The ranked data on tracker.gg is across all ranks

So a win in bronze is treated the same as a win in masters

[lament tusk]

Honestly just trolling some of the people with book but they get frustrated and start getting too aggressive and probably why they lose 😂

[lament tusk]

Yeah and it should be able to be divided by ranks

[warm lily]

I don’t think tracker.gg has that capability

At least not without a major overhaul

[lament tusk]

Its fine honestly. Even without it sane people know numbers aren't everything and PFG can see how few play her

And they know how many played her before they butchered the kit with the new release

[ember horizon]

people still falling for trackergg statistics in season 4

good lord

sliding window of averaged games + no filtering by ranks + small sample sizes = useless metrics

character winrates will literally rise and fall by 10 percent daily, depending on whos playing

reindog is regularly among the top 5 1v1 winrates and that character is dookie

and then agent smith is bottom 2 rn, so that must mean hes low tier right

💀

[runic burrow]

Just to say, Smith is not nearly as strong as he used to be with the nerfs to his jab hitbox and such. But he's still Top 5 or so

For reference, I made it to Master as Smith last season, and now I can't push past Plat 3 as Smith

[ember horizon]

thats not indicative of smith

they changed the overall rank distribution this season

plat 5 in 1v1s is like top 2500 this season, whereas before masters 5 was top 2500

theres only two people in masters 1 rn and last season masters 1 was like top 500

so way less people in masters

[lament tusk]

tell that to homie that dies on a hill for them

[tribal gyro]

Yeah I’m pretty sure I did check your personal messages

[tribal gyro]

A win is a win regardless of rank

[tribal gyro]

Dividing wins based upon ranks doesn’t make sense cause a win is a win regardless of which rank the win happened in. That’s like saying that a dollar bill should be worth less just because a homeless person has it instead of a rich person.

[tribal gyro]

You gotta also take into consideration the buffs that other characters got. You can’t just go based off solely what changed with smith but also what changed with all the other characters as well. Cause smith wasn’t the only character that was nerfed/buffed. this game constantly moves the goal post for its characters. Just like last season it was easier for me to get Garnet into masters but now it’s a struggle in Plat and Diamond

[warm lily]

So, winning a set against a top player is the same as winning against a 6 year old kid playing the game for the first time. Got it

This is why when people compile stats, they often separate based on rank like the guy who compiled Tekken 8 ranked data does. Character win rates can vary very drastically between low and high ranks, and the most popular characters are always the ones with the lowest overall win rate due to more inherently bad players playing said character

[ember horizon]

you are lost my friend

no game can balance for bronze and gm at the same time

bronze players dont know how to dodge

[warm lily]

Casuals don’t play Velma because she’s unintuitive and doesn’t have random kill moves or big buttons. She also has a fairly weak recovery. It’s no surprise when you hear about casuals playing Smash characters, they often gravitate to ones with easy recoveries like Kirby or heavies with lots of kill power like Bowser and Ganon

[warm lily]

This

A move like Shaggy kick is easily parry-able on reaction in top level and so that move is bad. But in bronze, no one dodges so that move just gets free wins

[ember horizon]

you didnt read what i posted clearly

rank distribution is different this season

its not a character balancing issue

theres less masters this season

[warm lily]

Yeah unfortunately people are dropping the game

The game is in a really weird state rn where they’re seemingly trying to preemptively balance based on shields coming, but they haven’t been added yet because they’re not polished yet and adding v1.0 shields as they were would’ve absolutely killed the game with how overcentralizing they were

[runic burrow]

This actually explains a LOT about why I feel like I've gotten worse.
I haven't...
The rank distribution did.

That's weirdly comforting

[warm lily]

Yeah a lot of the bronze and silver players have left

The average skill level of the remaining players is just higher

[lament tusk]

yeah I'm playing in gold and silver and the sivlers are playing good i'

[warm lily]

This happens after a few months of every fighting game tho

I’m in platinum 2 currently and diamond players feel more like masters players

[runic burrow]

Well this makes the ranked skins a lot harder to get too.

ugh

[ember horizon]

mhm

last i checked GM threshold was 2600 rp

so masters is really elusive this season

[runic burrow]

So anyone who has the master rank Raven next season is basically top marks

ouch

[warm lily]

Yeah before GM was like 4K or something

[warm lily]

I will eventually get to masters, but I haven’t been playing much myself

The nerfs to Shaggy are targeting the wrong issues and don’t make him that much weaker. Just a bit more boring

[runic burrow]

Well the rank distribution admittedly made me more sour about playing. So much so that I've been working on backlog games. (Super Mario Wonder is great btw lol)

[warm lily]

I don’t have wonder, but it’s on my list to eventually get

[runic burrow]

I recommend it! It's one of the more enjoyable 2D marios I've played in awhile

[warm lily]

I’ve always been more of a 3D platformer fan

But the 2D Mario games are still decent and I’ve heard good things about wonder

[runic burrow]

I like all platformers, and usually I like the 3D ones a bit better for Mario, but Wonder is good.

A lot of creativity

[warm lily]

Yeah

[lament tusk]

also explains why being top 200 at gold and silver

[warm lily]

I’m holding out for another Crash Bandicoot

[warm lily]

Plat 1 with Shaggy is top 50

And he’s one of the most played characters

It’s probably even worse for lesser played ones

[near moss]

Velma is one of the most fun characters in the game. For me atleast

[ivory hatch]

I just love her non-traditional fighting style

Other characters swinging swords or throwing fists

Nah Velma just shouts quips at you and uses sass

This is similar to the Villager situation in Smash Bros. They somehow found a way to incorporate a character you'd never imagine fighting

[woven kite]

Its what I like of her 😭🧡

[woven kite]

Exactly hehe

[ivory hatch]

Next update: Velma can destroy her own Evidence

[muted holly]

Apparently Ajax said "watch out for Velma next patch" while casting a tourney

We have a spark of hope

[rose abyss]

Anyone know when the next update is ? 😮

[merry dawn]

next tuesday

[rose abyss]

Awesome thanks !

[woven kite]

HEEEEELP

[woven kite]

🥺

[lament tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[wooden jolt]

@tribal gyro to make it easy ONLY 1 OUT OF 10 PLAYERS IN THIS GAME PLAY VELMAS thats explained how she has high winrate CUZ LOWER PLAYER BASE ON HER

[wooden jolt]

I think it just harder to grind this seasoj

N

[runic burrow]

Yeah the conversation we had about it really opened my eyes about the squashed ladder

I was just frustrated and felt like I was somehow worse than I was since I felt hard capped at Gold/Plat when I was making it to Diamond+ last season

[wooden jolt]

Cuz rn im in diamond 1 lazy to grind for master (which i could btw)

[tribal gyro]

Take it clear though it doesn’t matter how many players play with her. The win rate is still a win rate. Even if it was only 1 Velma player and the win rate was high then it still stands valid of her being at the level she is.

[wooden jolt]

ok

lemme tell you something

if theres more people playing the character

then it gave lower win rate

BUT

CUZ WE BARELY HAVE PLAYERS FOR THE CHARACTER

THE WINRATE IS HIGHER CUZ ITS CALCULATE MUCH MUCH LESSER PLAYER

thats the reason WHY

PPG has 40% WR

EVEN THO THEY ARE CHEESY AF

[calm herald]

No it doesnt, you're just making dumb excuses at this point and need to get your fact checks like shut up at this point and stop coping with the fact you can't beat Velma or something cause maybe that's why you say shes good

[dry fulcrum]

the highest winrates belong to Reindog and Velma, there's a clear correlation between higher usage rather and lower win%

[glad urchin]

some velma buffs but nothing done to the van

https://multiversus.com/en-gb/news/season-4-1-4-3

[wooden jolt]

The buff is as

They nerf her best move (Sair)

And no camera buff

Greay

Gg pfg

GG

[warm lily]

I’m sorry guys

Better luck next time

[desert sonnet]

At least grounded up special has some use.
Who am I kidding? I'm still not going to use that move that much.

[dry fulcrum]

really nervous after the flashlight and calc nerfs

[wooden jolt]

The nerf so wt

[glad urchin]

calculator was my thing 😭

[muted holly]

Nerfed harder then we got buffed + shields are horrendous for us

It's over

[runic burrow]

how is it nerfed? they barely adjusted the knockback influence and it's just more horizontal now

I need to play today and just tinker

[desert sonnet]

I played for a bit.
Sair did not feel that different

Also, I reached Diamond.
Maybe I'll get to Masters for the first time too.

[muted holly]

Kills slightly slower, early damage groundbounces only work on DI down instead of down and any horizontal DI

[runic burrow]

First impressions, Velma feels a little better to use? It might be placebo. It might be because other folks are still getting used to shields. But I'll take it for now

[woven kite]

YES

our girl got little side buffed

[runic burrow]

I still think one of Velma's worst match-ups is Superman, but that is what it is

[woven kite]

my fears as velma player are: finn, batman, banan guard, tonny hyunh

[wooden jolt]

Finn is your worst match up

[runic burrow]

I agree, Supes is my kryptonite (heh) but Finn is a free loss most matches

[grizzled lichen]

Idk what new combo for the up special

Been trying do jabs out of it

[grizzled lichen]

Man how do you deal LeBron as velma

I'm annoyed by his basketball ☠️

[wooden jolt]

Just shot their basketball with hey

Most of the time

[wooden jolt]

I just play around

[ivory hatch]

I usually catch it, and then pretend to play Basketball badly. This forces LeBron to feel embarrassed and try to approach you

That's when you counterattack

[runic burrow]

Counterplay for BJ?

I finally hit Plat with Velma. The curse is lifted!

[near moss]

Velma feeling strong for me this Update

The Side B mobility can catch players off guard

[runic burrow]

Yeah I've been able to more consistently hit her Air Side b, and her being able to move after the running grab is a great QoL

[analog inlet]

Hi! I'm kinda new, I want to get better with Velma, I've been watching some YouTube videos and writing down some combos on my own

Any advice?

[analog inlet]

I've been playing with her for months now, but just recently started playing ranked

Won a few matches, lost a lot but it's a lot of fun

Does ranked give skins like Raven? I have a few skins but I want more xD

[near moss]

Depends if ur a 1v1 or 2v2 velma

[fluid sparrow]

nop. only new characters get ranked skins, im not the best velma but used her some time, could help u out

[analog inlet]

Hmmm, interesting. I haven't decided that yet, as of now I guess 1v1 since I haven't tried 2v2

[near moss]

Shes harder to play in 1v1, but I would suggest using alot of Het air mobility to wait whiffs and Punish. Camera is really good, Her Jab with dodge Jab ia really good range and has a JabJab Down B, Sair combo thats pretty nice

I run perks Thats flammable, Broken Wings, Pugilist

[analog inlet]

I'll try those, thanks 👍

[analog inlet]

idk what whiff, dodge jab ia and down B, means...

But now that I think so I don't want to 2v2 until I have a better idea of what I'm doing

[near moss]

DownB is her down special

It can lead into aerials

[analog inlet]

Oh! Gotcha. I'm on ps4

[near moss]

Whiff baiting is when you trick your opponent into trying to attack and make them miss their attack and hit them after they miss

Something I been Practicing with her

#combos message

[analog inlet]

Dude nice!!

Tyvm, i need to start practicing combos more

I just write them down and never check again xD

[wooden jolt]

@runic burrowand im finally reach master

[near moss]

Nice, I need to play mvs more now that my college semesters over and try to get to Masters before the end of season with Velma now that Im Maining her

[runic burrow]

Congrats to you!

[muted holly]

insane how we litteraly cant contest shielding at all

[grizzled lichen]

right?

its annoying

[dapper quest]

i play a lot of ig and velma was actually scary with the megaphone now you just shield and it does nothing lmao

[muted holly]

We need old megaphone back

I genuinely don't want to touch the game in this state

[glad urchin]

same and old speech bubbles

[muted holly]

The speed increase killed bubbles yea

I would be fine with them just increasing the speed a bit on them

[analog inlet]

How do you brake shields with her??

[muted holly]

Either side special that has a million startup frames or your general shield breaker that is also reactable

[woven kite]

same toughts 😭 what the hell did they to her?

[woven kite]

we need to have 4 of those, 3 are not enough omg

[woven kite]

rolling and crying on the floor rn!

[near moss]

Are yall really struggling that much with Shields?

Im doing fine with Velma against shields

Her downTilt charged takes half Stamina when blocked if I lead my attacks into it

It breaks their shield often

[muted holly]

in no realistic scenario would you ever charge dtilt enough to do major shield damage

and even if it managed to connect, you get punished badly

[near moss]

Mind Games 🧠

I did it to a Player who was at half Stamina and broke his shield

If they try to release shield early I can take note of it and start just releasing the downtilt early on them

[grizzled lichen]

Man hoping that up special can be combo during jabs

[muted holly]

jab1>2 > (cd)book > uspecial > sair > jab1>2 > (cd)book > (cd)book > nair is completely true on a certain damage range

[grizzled lichen]

Oohh it workss

I just can't time the side air kjsjsnbfs

I HAD ENOUGH OF THIS GAME

im quiting

its so hard to climb with velma

im just going back and forth in rank

i dont like this game anymore

[muted holly]

yeaaa im also not touching this bs anymore until we get massive buffs

[grizzled lichen]

i have to contest my jabs cause no matter how dodge cancels i do and EVEN IF HER JAB IS VERY CLOSE THE ENEMIES HITBOX it didnt reach

MY GOD and i get punish??

wow

harley quinn can just slide down velmas large book and bubbles