Velma

[muted holly]

all matches i played there went to 7 minutes

and a certain character can just hold shield on a corner and you cant do anything against it

[latent gyro]

Is there such a thing as shield pressure or can you just not apply any? Also can you punish them hard with shield break?

[boreal wharf]

There’s no fast falls or short hops in the game?

[muted holly]

not yet

[boreal wharf]

Crazy

Ngl that’s what I was looking forward to

[muted holly]

there are shield breaking moves but they are only grounded and they have hella startup and endlag (or atleast on velma)

[boreal wharf]

Morty mains having fun with it fs

[muted holly]

yea same, but if they actually add shields im quitting even if that speed gets implemented

[latent gyro]

But like have you been able to combo them off shield break?

[muted holly]

nope

atleast not on velma

[latent gyro]

Dang

[muted holly]

its litteraly our jab3 but with 3x more endlag

[boreal wharf]

Her moves don’t have enough hitstun for that lol

[latent gyro]

probably I feel like you should punish them for breaking it but of course you can’t

[boreal wharf]

They should’ve just made a smash clone to begin with

[muted holly]

just know there is no counterplay against iron giant holding shield over a corner

[boreal wharf]

Is there little delay between shield and an attack?

[muted holly]

no delay

[boreal wharf]

That’s bad

[muted holly]

its absolutely terrible

hitting a shielded opponent also gives you hella stun

basically if you thought mvs was passive currently you are in for something

[wooden jolt]

They just need readjust shield

[muted holly]

they should just scrap the idea

[boreal wharf]

Wonder how long that’ll take

[muted holly]

mvs was never made with shields in mind

they should not brute force it into the game

[wooden jolt]

Honestly

If theres shield theres should be a global grab

Like wtf man

[boreal wharf]

Literally shouldn’t be difficult for them to do tbh

A shield mechanic should be equally beneficial for all characters tho

[muted holly]

shielding is just a straight middle finger to projectile characters

[boreal wharf]

I know text bubbles aren’t heavy projectiles but is speaker?

[wooden jolt]

Looking at bugs alot lol

Bugs bunny rocket finally get full counter

I would considered velma projectile are heavy projectile tbh

[muted holly]

nope

speaker isnt even medium i think

[boreal wharf]

Didn’t think so

[wooden jolt]

Great they treat velma like sht

[muted holly]

and you realised that just now?

[wooden jolt]

I thought it would be better when shield patch out

But nopeeee

They make it much worst for velma

[boreal wharf]

Mages were always gonna be the most impacted so I don’t see why they made no changes

[muted holly]

simple solution: quit the game if they actually add shield

[steady grove]

i hope it aint you quitting

[muted holly]

i will if they add shield or dont fix their things by s4

just know i had a 92% winrate today and dropped 20 rp

[median heron]

it's sort of nice. in the shield mode/testing grounds, Velma has a more reliable way to use grounded down-attack without it requiring a hard-read

[desert roost]

@rose abyss Ggs! I love seeing another Velma ❤️

[desert roost]

Adding shield is a great idea.

I love it!

Fin doesn't just get to hit a on me the entire time out of my advantage state.

Also there are several ways to get around the shield and a literal like shield break move so you can't just sit in it until your meter runs out.

[median heron]

shields are good, yeah. I just dont like that some characters are so fast that even if u block them, they can just not be touched 'cuz our jab 1 is that slow

[sterile flame]

Any advice against Tom n Jerry, Agent Smith, batman? I'm having a hard time fighting them when using velma

[ember horizon]

tom n jerry is completely reliant on killing jerry and capitalizing off that

agent smith is avoiding his jab, thats his combo starter and kill confirm

batman is pretty rough though, he has a lot of conversions off anything

but generally, just try to destroy batarang and keep him at bay with flashlight or lightbulb

[sterile flame]

Oh I see tyy

[sterile flame]

But what annoys me when he keeps shooting his gun even I tried to dodge it I keep getting hit

[ember horizon]

the horizontal version?

or the downwards one

[sterile flame]

Yeahh

[ember horizon]

horizontal you can dodge upwards or inwards

outwards youll get hit

it has a lot of endlag for you to punish

[sterile flame]

Ohhh okay okay thank youu sm

[ember horizon]

its kinda just general advice, all 3 of those characters can mix-up how they play

so if something specific is botherin you just ask yea

[median heron]

Tom & Jerry: use side-air to KO Jerry

Batman: use neutral-special to disable batarang

Agent Smith: quit the app before the match starts.

they still need to buff Velma a lot

[unkempt aurora]

Does it feel like the devs take like 3 steps forward with QOL changes for velma and then 1 patch they just undo it all?

[wooden jolt]

wait what happend

[unkempt aurora]

Shields kinda make velma even harder to play imo, its not fully implemented but testing and play velma made it hard to actually use nair against people who knew how to shield and also use any sort of projectiles (funny enough babble hits and marks them through shield tho). Like i dont think many people will play super campy vs velma but lowkey if you do and just burn her projectile cooldowns it feels like you cant play the game

[ember horizon]

kinda works both ways though, Velma is really prone to rush down dodge attacks cause of poor frame data

now you can shield them and hold ur ground

[unkempt aurora]

true but i find it hard to punish due to her bad frame data

like yes it stops/helps people from running at me and abusing me, but if i cant punish them for doing it then imo the shield change hurts her more due to the fact that damage is the most important thing in this game and now she does less of it

[ember horizon]

our OOS is definitely not great, but I didn't get to lab anything really

this game is so bad when it comes to labbing

cant even enable shields in training

[unkempt aurora]

apprently according to this spreedsheet what was linked to me

her fastest move frame wise is ground up at 15 frames

ngl that makes me want to vomit

[ember horizon]

right but you'd also need to get the endlag of the character hitting you

which nobody has compiled

[unkempt aurora]

true, hopefully the devs at some point will let us see hitboxes and hurt boxes. Because ngl thats how i got good at other fighting games when i can actually visually see where my hitboxes are and then plan accordingly knowing what will hit and wont hit

[ember horizon]

the lab needs tons more

DI, frame data, recording inputs, etc

[ember horizon]

velma specifically? or just in general

the slowness is really just a Velma thing

if you play harley, black adam, batman, etc you can move like a crackhead

but I will say, she's in her best state since launch rn

it's not great in comparison to other characters, but better than it was

you'd be surprised, it's a bad move for sure but even in masters 1 I face ppl who don't know how to avoid it

at the very least you can force people into tricky situations when it chases them

[unkempt aurora]

Yeah ngl either people dont know how to deal with van or they 100% know how to deal with van it feels like. But you can frame trap with van off stage if someone is not careful with their air dodges and kill them off the top

[ember horizon]

yeah it's pretty much just a worse bugs rocket against people who know how to deal with it

still situationally usable

[wooden jolt]

@placid idoli played when she is on worst state (season 1) and ughhh no fun

[muted holly]

megaphone autolocking onto teammates was something

[dry fulcrum]

ong same, it was so hard adjusting to her post megaphone range nerf, the one thing about old Velma that was tolerable lmao

[desert roost]

I honestly forgot it used to do that. Haha

[sterile flame]

Man it's annoying when you already dodge the attack and still hit

[unique pond]

why is velma slower than jason

IRON GIANT IS FASTER???

or am i making that up

[muted holly]

nope, you are right

[calm herald]

I wont lie I almost miss it

[sterile flame]

Man velmas flashlight is so small...

I really wish they kept the old flashlight range

[muted holly]

soon we should receive buffs

2 more weeks of pain until the next major balance patch

[sterile flame]

Pls more combo routes for her 😭 I'm fine nerfing the van but please let her combo

[desert roost]

The visual doesn’t match the hitbox on it lol. Like it’s far more disjointed than WW’s fist and somehow it loses or trades.

[muted holly]

its only disjointed at the back

[calm herald]

2 dang weeks..

[latent gyro]

And then all they give is +1 dmg to jab 3

[unique pond]

Breh

Luckily I beat them both somehow

[desert roost]

Right. The hitbox doesn’t match the visual.

[muted holly]

its not that bad of a disjoint tho

there are alot more disjoints that are way worse

[desert roost]

I mean I didn’t say it was that bad. But when someone’s fist (WW)beats it. I’ve kinda got a problem lol.

[woven kite]

Jinkies

[muted holly]

[woven kite]

[desert roost]

💡

[muted holly]

💡

[calm herald]

📣 💨💨💨💨💨

[muted holly]

🏃‍♀️

[latent gyro]

[woven kite]

is ❤️, is 🕊️

[muted holly]

Velma = pigeon?

[woven kite]

nono Velma = peace

[median heron]

was Velma's grounded side-special always bad?

[woven kite]

no 😦 it was better during beta, it was cancelable and didnt have a lot of whiff at the end of it so you could try to combo your opponent

got gutted

[median heron]

aw dang. I was trying to find a use for it in 2v2s. I dont like it at all, feels like a waste of a button

[muted holly]

It was somehow worse in s1

[median heron]

i see. after seeing her halloween fit I kinda wanna main her over IG, she's so freakin' adorable

[woven kite]

they could make that attack a kill confirm and give it less whiff so she can actually be safe when she does that attack in accident hehe ;w;, but you can use it when your teammate is doing a jab to the two opponents so when their jab is done, you can grab 1 of them with velmas ground side special, and separate both opponents of each other so you can attack that one opponent/kill confirm them if its a light weith character and if they haves +110 of damage owo sorry 4 long text

[woven kite]

omg yes

[woven kite]

yeah she is the best, think about it very well, she haves a hard to use moveset, but your reward could be a mystery machine van, practice w her before taking your choice

[median heron]

got it. i'll think about it

[lapis glacier]

Just started playing Velma cuz of her halloween costume. Does she have any jab combo routes aside for 1 2 utilt?

[ember horizon]

she does but it depends on the enemy DI

to make it simple, if you read their DI correctly you can pull off jab > grounded CD book > aerial CD book (2 times) > dodge cancel up air

at low percents

at higher percents you're better off going for flashlight or up air straight out of the grounded CD book

[desert roost]

jab 1 jab 2 into CD Book imagination. lol

[ember horizon]

to read DI out usually means using your meter for a dodge jump or dodge cancelled attack

[lapis glacier]

Oh cool didn't know about the cd book being a route. Thanks for the tips

[ember horizon]

people generally don't mix up their DI so have fun laddering people

👍

make sure you run ignite cause CD book will apply it during the ladder for extra dmg

[sterile flame]

Man wish the down air neutral of velma can have a combo when it lands

[woven kite]

🫶

[sterile flame]

me holding the urge not rage when enemy can kill me in 100 or 120 but velma cant kill when its 150-170

happy life in 1v1

[ember horizon]

it'd be so nice if jab 3 was an actual finisher

i hate how at really high percents jabbing people does nothing

[sterile flame]

i know right

i know air side special can be finisher most of the time, IF IT HITS ONLY

the dang move is so slow

[lapis glacier]

Feels like a lot more work is required to do anything. So much characters just leagues ahead

[muted holly]

there is an entire list in pinned messages

[lapis glacier]

Cool, first time seeing a pinned list in a character channel. Thanks for the info, I'll try to do velma justice.

[muted holly]

we begged the mods to do that for us xd

[lapis glacier]

Fr, bet that question gets asked that all the time everytime someone attempts to pick her up.

[woven kite]

[sterile flame]

man does after jab jab (cd/book) connect when you dodge cancel? i tried doing it in match and sometimes the jab 1 doesnt connect

like jab jab book then dodge cancel jab jab

[ember horizon]

pretty sure that combo is DI-able

i.e. not true

[merry dawn]

if they don't di out then it's not true iirc

[sterile flame]

dang

[sterile flame]

is press the advantage perk good on velma? or no?

[merry dawn]

ehh not really, you get more uses from ignite

[sterile flame]

dang thought she gets guaranteed kill with the perk sdnldna

[merry dawn]

it’s okay for her to get kills, but ignite allows you to build up sm more damage in a quicker time frame vs if you didn’t have it

[ancient pagoda]

Even with ignite, Velma still KO’ing at 3 million percent, you just get there a little faster. 😂

[median heron]

i just noticed Well-Rounded and Snowball Effect do absolutely nothing to change the damage of Velma's projectiles even if u stack it

[cursive tendon]

FINALLY GOT WITCH VELMA LETS GOOOO

[muted holly]

👍

[woven kite]

cgs 🫂🫂❤️❤️ well deserved

[sterile flame]

me struggling fighting samurai jack and agent smith feels like unfair to velma aaaaa

its harddd

[muted holly]

it is indeed hard

1 more week and we will hopefully get less missery

[sterile flame]

HOPINGG ;-;

[woven kite]

sam jack are such a spamers, I hate them

[woven kite]

preach

[unique pond]

🙌

[hallow fractal]

Velma shall return to her beta glory days.

[clear stirrup]

May that version of her rot in the lowest bowels of the nightosphere

[merry dawn]

No

Velma> shield meta

[median heron]

Velma best cutie. 100% mogging

[unique elbow]

i think shes still paying for her sins from beta

megaphone back then was so cracked 😭

[median heron]

kinda. her winrate was like, 90% or something really high. it's funny 'cuz Superman & Velma wasn't even the team that won EVO, and we're still complaining about Tom & Jery + Wonderwoman 'till this day. PFG gotts buff Velma. if they ever played her thenselves they'd she that she is doggers ass

[woven kite]

For real 😭 sounds horrible but you’re kinda right

[woven kite]

Yeah 😞😞

[fallow anchor]

Velma’s win rate could be inflated since I don’t see many of them, especially before her halloween skin was in the shop

She just needs more reliable combo’s tbh, it’s crazy what other mages can do compared to her on that front

[desert roost]

@rose abyss Ggs ❤️

[woven kite]

assassins like PPG and Nubia haves better range than Velma and that´s so sad for her, bc her best ¨mage¨ option are her bubble text to speech projectiles and those actually just help you to get near the opponent and hit them while they are hitstunned

[woven kite]

my win rate with her is 40%, with 203 wins and 302 loses, how funny is that? ✨ yeah I´m a velma main 😭

[calm herald]

Yall we getting a mega nerf next season trust ❤️/j

[woven kite]

our flop era is lowkey serving 😍

[median heron]

the way she plays neutral is god awful too it feels like Velma was built around Coffeezilla (beta cooldown reduction perk)

[calm herald]

Idk why they got rid of that perk because I actually liked using it for more books

[woven kite]

that perk sounds very useful for heeer :(((

but that would make her very annoying

[woven kite]

more than a whole minute for having another book is WILD, they are so wrong for not giving her less cooldown for that attack

[median heron]

honestly they should reduce the base cooldown of neutral-special. it was annoying but she has like, no KO power

[boreal wharf]

Thank god that perk is out of the game ngl

[sour onyx]

it is better the 5% perk or studied?

[merry dawn]

studied

5% doesn’t do much for Velma

[woven kite]

agreed

[woven kite]

the book projectile imo deserves less base cooldown, the bubbles are good with that cooldown, you just have to be patient and use them with wisdoom

[median heron]

that makes her seem like a support character and the draw back for that is that Velma's head gets better, her hitbox increases. she needs to be able to rack up damage on opponents quickly sense she can't KO easily. she doesn't even have enough stage control like a mage should

[merry dawn]

how do u know her hit box increases

[median heron]

by playing the character. the megaphone doesn't when applying it on allies if their head is big, but when enemies attack someone with a big head they get that advantage. i even have a clip that u can pause/replay as many times as u want

[merry dawn]

could u send me the clip pls

[fallow anchor]

I’m of the opinion that she needs a light rework, her kit still feels awkward to play to me. She was initially made as a 2’s oriented character but the devs have been balancing around 1’s

[median heron]

yeah i posted it in #clips

[woven kite]

fr she stills a support even when the fighter class have got removed, they have to give her a buff of her kit

[woven kite]

yup

[sour onyx]

@merry dawn ggs

[merry dawn]

ggs

would of toasted but I gone none lol

[sour onyx]

no prob

i barely play vs rick in 1s, i don't know where to DI xd

[merry dawn]

di in when I do jab iad dair, di out and up when I do jab iad sair/meeseek

[sour onyx]

ooh ok, thx

[unique pond]

@drowsy spear gg from garnet

[drowsy spear]

Gg!

[unique pond]

im mad that my teammate gave up

i was going ham on that jason lol

[drowsy spear]

Bruh i hate when people do that. you really was tho😂

[unique pond]

I always get the like afk playstation bots

[drowsy spear]

Same They really need a fix for that it be annoying af

[woven kite]

What do you guys think on the new velma skin? I love iiit 🫶

[merry dawn]

Imo it’s her best skin besides luau

[median heron]

nerdy & cute, almost as good as her default

[glad urchin]

I need that rn

[woven kite]

Hmmm naah not that good you know

[woven kite]

Frrr how cuteee 🥰 loving her clothes colors

[woven kite]

We all do ❤️❤️❤️

[glad urchin]

Am I the only one who uses astronaut velma? I've rarely seen that one being used

[woven kite]

OMGG I hope I had that one 😭😭 I would love to use it, its very pretty like zero suit velma so serving omg

[rocky halo]

So raven gets an across the screen command grab but my Velma can't have her uni-beam.

Can we make the distance a liiiiitle bit longer pls

[woven kite]

:,c

[woven kite]

pls, we need that, we are not ¨maging¨ too much

[rose abyss]

My bad, 1st time I check this thing. lol Ggs You and Lytic have been putting in work. Keep it up ! 🫡

[desert roost]

It' ok, I figured. I wasn't even sure I was pinging the right person, but I was praying I did. lol. Thank you! We also appreciate you for always being a good sparing opponent. Is the Stripe your duo?

[dry fulcrum]

its so over they practically changed nothing

[sterile flame]

man really hoping you can dash cancel on ground side special

[muted holly]

officially dropping velma for this season

[sterile flame]

understandable

please PLEASSE give her a buff

im begging

batman can just down attack cancel while velma cant aaaa (been running through him 10 times)

[dry fulcrum]

patch notes for those who dont wanna check:

General
    + Ground movement speed increased to 2065 from 2050
Ground Side Attack 1
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
Ground Side Attack 2
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
Ground Side Attack 3
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
Air Side Attack
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Air Down Attack
    ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
Ground Down Special (Mystery Machine)
    * Fixed an issue where fighters could disappear permanently after being captured by the Mystery Machine

Air Side Special
+ On-hit cancel window advanced 1 frame
+ Now maintains more momentum during attack
~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals

[median heron]

dang, that's terrible news. they could have definitely increased the ground movement speed more for her

[woven kite]

OMG

[woven kite]

hey, at least they didnt took anything from us 😟

[sterile flame]

dang no increase knockback on jab 3 for kill confirm

or buff from camera

[ancient pagoda]

I mean aerial book got buffed, maybe you can combo out of it now since it keeps momentum and has 1 frame of on hit cancel.

[glad urchin]

bring back beta velma

[woven kite]

no important updates in bubble projectls or for megaphone :C

[desert roost]

That's what I am hoping. Like if they wanted it to be a combo tool...this would be how to do it.

[woven kite]

sounds posible, we will see

[median heron]

they nerfed That's Flammable Doc. this character is cooked

[sterile flame]

oh naur

no more down special

[woven kite]

I never used that perk, they really nerfed it?

[desert roost]

What?!

[median heron]

I mean i skimmed through it but im pretty sure it said it reduced the duration to one second

[woven kite]

what :,c

[ancient pagoda]

Yeah it’s 1 second now, but it’s not a nerf to characters with confirms out of a projectile

But it stacks

So you can spam words and proc it for longer, still nerfed

[woven kite]

one second? well isnt that much :C, just a second I guess, sorry

[desert roost]

It's now 3 seconds while stacked, yes?

[ancient pagoda]

Yeah, still bad

[woven kite]

good point

[desert roost]

No, absolutely. 1 second?!

[sterile flame]

so is our air down neutral still bad? was REALLY hoping they can fix that

[ancient pagoda]

I mean what can Velma do to proc it, jab jab book into a read?

[desert roost]

Blurb into fair or up air

[muted holly]

they only gutted our most valuable perk

[desert roost]

It's like essential for us tbh.

[woven kite]

hating how they arent not giving us more range with the megaphone istg

[ancient pagoda]

Honestly, all velma needs is jab 2 to be able to connect into d tilt, easy KO options from there

Since they took everything else from her, can we at least get that

[woven kite]

Never used that perk, I use another one in that slot, Im sorry

[sterile flame]

real

[muted holly]

did you not use flammable

[woven kite]

well see :C

[sterile flame]

i hATE HOW how i down air neutral and the enemy would dodge instantly like i cant follow up with that??

[dry fulcrum]

i was a snowball effect user

[woven kite]

that´s what I´m trying to say, I use another perk in that slot, I cant remember right now what I use to use

[woven kite]

I think I had be always using that one

[muted holly]

flammable is kinda like essential for velma

[ancient pagoda]

You can just loop dair off air dodge read though lol but still yeah I get you, I can’t combo up air out of dair why? Lol

[desert roost]

I was a flammable doc user. It just was too good.

[woven kite]

bought it, but never used it :C

[muted holly]

is it time to riot on twitter?

[desert roost]

Yes ^

[sterile flame]

its like 4 seasons and still no justice for velmaa aaaa

[fallow anchor]

velma could use some actual buffs 😭

[dry fulcrum]

you know, maybe thats why i never cracked top 50 lol

[sterile flame]

and was really hoping at least buff her camera for kill confirms aaaa

170 accident still wont kill smh

[fallow anchor]

I was hoping for more combo confirms

Other mages can combo way easier

[ancient pagoda]

New movement and maybe can combo out of aerial book while also hard nerfing with flammable nerf.

It’s alright, I also main BJ and we got nothing.

[dry fulcrum]

her best combos are still either 2 hit sequences or require like 50 reads

[sterile flame]

i combo like down special (cd) then lightbulb

everytime i use jab, it always misses

like what

[fallow anchor]

Yeah that’s my main issue

[desert roost]

Downspecial cd will still proc flammable since it counts as a projectile. So that's good.

[ancient pagoda]

Yeah but you have 1 second to find the read lol

Unless you stack it with words

[desert roost]

If they DI in, it's free. Only thing is dealing with the DI out.

[ancient pagoda]

Lower percents you for sure proc

[desert roost]

^

Absolutely

Higher percents are DI dependent.

[ancient pagoda]

Static also got buffed so you might wanna try that out now, since you no longer have to stay on the ground

[woven kite]

oh tony.... now that youre saying that, maybe... I was using the wrong perk all the time? so that´s why my fkng win rate its 40%??? I always thought that the snowball one was the best perk for velma, idk....

[muted holly]

now it probably will be the better perk..

[ancient pagoda]

Not using flammable with projectiles is criminal.

[desert roost]

No facts. 🤣

[ancient pagoda]

I thought it was a staple on all mages lol

[woven kite]

that´s still sad :(( bc I know you guys were used to that perk, uuugh

[dry fulcrum]

my winrate was still over 60 but yeah i get you

[woven kite]

I have ever called myself a noobie and such an idiot, dont blame pls

[woven kite]

tony you r awesome

[ancient pagoda]

Don’t beat yourself up, Velma will rise one day

[sterile flame]

hoping

[desert roost]

I don't think so. You have to hit 4 successful moves for it to electrify your next projectile. Hmmmm.

Wait whoops

[ancient pagoda]

It doesn’t say all at once though like in a combo, it just says 4 successful moves, imma test things out when the update is live

[desert roost]

Mmmm okay

[ancient pagoda]

Flammable and static proc so much residual

[sterile flame]

predicting were gonna use side air special more often

[desert roost]

That is the dream^

For it to be able to comboed out of

[woven kite]

velma is not the problem, I figured out that I AM the problem, I will always want velma to get buffed, bc she is my main, our main, but truly speaking, Im very dumb, I´m struggling for real into matches to dont get my butt beated up 💀 I love velma, I´m never gonna put any shame or fault on this character

[ancient pagoda]

They would have had to lower the knock back for it to be a certain combo tool, but we shall see

[ancient pagoda]

To be fair Velma in 1’s is caca poopoo, so if you’re mainly a 1’s player I don’t fault you lol.

[sterile flame]

man i miss the van chasing the enemies

[dry fulcrum]

thank you

[dry fulcrum]

:((

[desert roost]

hopefully we got another shadow buff for van...you know. where it actually captures people again. 🙂

[sterile flame]

i hate when they stand on platform and why i try to get them leave or down i get punish real hard what

[ancient pagoda]

I’m probably gunna drop pugilist on all my mages and use static if it works the way I hope it works.

[woven kite]

idk... I consider jake/cake even worst option for 1s than velma since velma has good projectiles and range, and also a mystery machine omg

[desert roost]

I hate when van drives clean over them and it doesn't pick them up or when it gets hit once and drives completely off the MAP

[noble pulsar]

bruh i came in here to see how ppl were feeling abt velma and see this 💀 how devious

[ancient pagoda]

Jake got buffed this patch though, Velma didn’t 😦

[woven kite]

im praying rn

[ancient pagoda]

Shoo

[woven kite]

oh good for jakes and cakes :C, they deserved some buffs tho

[noble pulsar]

ok ok ok fine i just wanted to see if my velma friends are okay

[ancient pagoda]

We won’t tolerate Velma slander

[desert roost]

LOOL! It infuriates me soo much. Van has something secretly altered with it every patch! I'm curious about this one.

[woven kite]

are you an undercover agent?

[noble pulsar]

noo!! im just a very velma friendly harley!

[ancient pagoda]

I hope these “hitbox changes” actually work vs the tops. Cough agent cough

[woven kite]

🥺 🫶

[woven kite]

thank youu

[noble pulsar]

i wanted to play velma but i have to get trained by one of you guys. yall put in crazy work fr

[sterile flame]

REALLLLLL LOUDERR

[desert roost]

Awww. Well welcome friendly harley main! ❤️

[woven kite]

cough batman cough

[ancient pagoda]

Still no Harley fair nerf 😪

[noble pulsar]

ty!! im gonna leave you guys be before guilding throws a book at me

[noble pulsar]

CMON 💔💔 we can be friends lol

[desert roost]

🤣

[ancient pagoda]

I’m chillin lol

[woven kite]

its very hard and not recommended at all if you come from an easier character :c

[ancient pagoda]

Velma’s a pocket, BJ still my true main

[desert roost]

If you are looking for a character to push buttons on people with...Velma is not your girl.

[woven kite]

good

[sterile flame]

me trying to get her to masters in 1v1

[misty dew]

season four and velmas frame data is still caca😫

[woven kite]

try batman instead lol

[noble pulsar]

yeah i found out the hard way. her moveset requires you to literally be inside of someone else’s character and i hate it

[dry fulcrum]

Velma is still my pure main and i have no idea who to pick up as secondary

[woven kite]

💩 😭

[ancient pagoda]

I love Velma in 2’s, catch me running away all day idc

[muted holly]

[dry fulcrum]

Velma has to use literally every tool in her kit and the kitchen sink

[noble pulsar]

HIIIII LUCID🧡🧡

[muted holly]

hello ino

[desert roost]

Honey. When I tell you I am literally left mentally exhausted every time I play Velma in 1's. The amount of mental fortitude you have to have is ridiculous.

[woven kite]

good for you, same, but well I took jake and cake as my secondary bc they are kinda similar, arent they?

[desert roost]

Naw for real or Reindog. lol

[woven kite]

feels better than into 1s

[wooden jolt]

Great

[sterile flame]

youre not wrong crying

[wooden jolt]

No velma buff again wtf

[woven kite]

yes raindog

[dry fulcrum]

i wanted to pick up Cake, just wasnt sure i was properly learning how to play her

[woven kite]

hi froxy we all here complaining :,c

[wooden jolt]

Time to move to rivals of aether ffs

[woven kite]

I took her, hehe she is hilarous and cute

she is not that hard, just uncomfy a lot uncomfy

[desert roost]

Yup. Precision is required for this character.

[dry fulcrum]

i'll keep that in mind

[woven kite]

Im moving to roblox LMAO

[ancient pagoda]

Try BJ after the nerf to stun and jab follow ups before the uptilt and d tilt buff, I was STRESSIN

[woven kite]

🫶

[ancient pagoda]

I’m playing Pokémon brick bronze on Roblox rn lmao

[sterile flame]

im moving to ppg after this aughhh

[desert roost]

Reindog literally gets to swing out of everything. It's soo annoying lol.

[sterile flame]

when reindog can put pressure than velma jesuss

[wooden jolt]

Isnt that game got deleted ages ago

[woven kite]

yeeeees roblox gang, I play royale high

[woven kite]

ok dear unu

[muted holly]

there are games that reupload it constantly

[ancient pagoda]

They got some people to work on it again, servers are live. Gets about 5k players daily

[woven kite]

and he ever got good skins Im so jealous

[noble pulsar]

thats the thing. idk if im TOO close on someone or what my mistake is but i can use her hand to hand combat pretty fine but its just like wtf do i do after her normal three hits?😭 i usually megaphone them to my team mate after im done and bc he plays joker he just sends them to god

im trying to learn to secure my own kills with velma instead of being forced to use her in duos

[ancient pagoda]

In 2’s yeah just go for the regular follow up three hit or lightbulb since her combo takes 4 years and can be interrupted

[desert roost]

A little more practice and understanding of Velma's combo paths and confirms. Then I think you'll be better equipped on how to press her advantage.

[noble pulsar]

ooo yeah i love the lightbulb but i miss it cuz im dumb😂 is it contradicting that i can use the camera easily but not the bulb?💀

[ancient pagoda]

I honestly just spam fair in 2’s like I’m playing DBD

[sterile flame]

what velma moves yall ever felt useless to use?

[ancient pagoda]

Side special on the ground…

[desert roost]

ground side special. Like just give us the cancel ability back.

[muted holly]

velma and her kill confirms take a LOT of trial and error to perfect and even then you will still makle mistakes often

[noble pulsar]

im not a velma main so dont beat me up but the calculator thingy 🙈 i have NO clue wtf im doing

[muted holly]

ground sspecial, ground uspecial, off cooldown dspecial

[dry fulcrum]

ground side special is funny as a mixup but against anyone who knows what they're doing using it is just death

[ancient pagoda]

They need to completely re work grounded side special cause why is she running at you, but in the air she’s hitting you with the book of Thoth.

[sterile flame]

worst case scenario using it bY ACCIDENT

AAAAAAAAA

[desert roost]

If they gave ground side special the ability to be cancled again...that would change like everything lol.

[noble pulsar]

okay that definitely makes me feel better bc im literally screaming at my controller thinking its not working whole time i just dunno what im doing with velma

[ancient pagoda]

Velma is definitely not an easy pickup

[sterile flame]

1% rare to froze an enemy with the up ground special lmfao

[rose abyss]

Thank you ! 👀

[dry fulcrum]

np!

[sterile flame]

like velma gurl why you spill that nasty goo could alteast throw at them

[desert roost]

not at all...people think you just sit on the side and throw blurbs. Well what do you do when they run out?! Now you gotta box.

[muted holly]

you shall be learning bubble knockback for the foreseeable future

[ancient pagoda]

Not to mention her CD’s are ass. Now we gotta play honest neutral, with your best option being fair and run away jab 1

[desert roost]

I wish it did like damage if you dropped it on someones head...or spiked like bug's safe. No, just me? LOL

[noble pulsar]

just bc youre #1 doesnt mean i can just learn velmas tricks😭 you want me to suffer!!

[muted holly]

suffering is part of the velma experience

[sterile flame]

wishing she gets more moves if the ground up special is cooldown

[noble pulsar]

oh god no. i suffer enough not spamming harleys sair loop i cant bear suffering with velma

[sterile flame]

j i n k i e s

[noble pulsar]

WHY ARE YALL AGREEING TO SUFFERING WITH VELMA LMAO

[muted holly]

oh i am done with this

im hopping over to raven

[ancient pagoda]

Because as low tier mains you accept it

[white locust]

You made the choice to main this relic of the beta character lol

[desert roost]

If beaker actually did damage or spiked like Bug's safe. It would make the move actually useful. Can we start a petition?

[muted holly]

one can only handle the suffering for limited duration

[desert roost]

Because it's legit suffering. We just got used to it unfortuantely

Like us getting buffs are a hope and prayer. But in reality every time we read patch notes...we already know we aren't getting any of substantial value.

[muted holly]

midseason 3 was peak for us

book being able to travel trough platforms was what we needed 🔥

[desert roost]

That was CD book added right?

oh

LOOOL

We may be suffering, but we still do it up on people. So give a round of applause to yourselves. 👏

[wooden jolt]

I hate that we been waiting for months and months

[woven kite]

brilliant, loving the good vibes, we are keeping here, velma sisterhood 4ever

[sterile flame]

imagine if the game has daphne, fred, and scooby and they are performing well than velma

god lord

[woven kite]

dont worry we are getting justice for velma soon

[wooden jolt]

Just to get shafted by the balanxing team

[wooden jolt]

Daphne as velma skin

[woven kite]

could happen when they add scooby

[woven kite]

ngl it would work, daphne knows karatee but she actually never used her karatee moves

[muted holly]

i said that for months.. my hopes are basically 0 now

[sterile flame]

i just now fred will be a mage cause traps and all

[woven kite]

unu well no matters what we´ll still asking for velma´s buffs

[woven kite]

yes

[sterile flame]

hoping when marceline releases there will be a another balance patch and velma gets another buff (PLEASE LAWD MAKE IT HAPPEN I SWEAR TO GO-)

[merry dawn]

the way book didn’t even travel through platforms correctly even after the fix

[wooden jolt]

Like daphne also say jeepers

[woven kite]

praying

[woven kite]

yes like her jab

[sterile flame]

already had message my rage and tears when i go to rank with velma in my 15 lose streak with her sometimes 💔

sorry multiversus bot

[muted holly]

#off-topic message

[desert roost]

You get to 15? Baby, I get too maybe 5.

[woven kite]

I have go thru that a lot, losing more than 100 RP in ONE DAY, just trying to get a better amount of RP or trying to recover of my decay...

[sterile flame]

WAH THATS A GOOD SKIN

[wooden jolt]

@sterile flame wanna know whats worst?

Asia server barely have master players causing mmr thst arent balance af and gaining only +2 all time

[sterile flame]

oh no...is it gacha?

[sterile flame]

REALLL

[woven kite]

unfair

[hollow ginkgo]

How r u guys actually complaining about the highest win rate character in 2s

Like all u guys do is run away and spam projectiles and win every game

[desert roost]

If that is what you reduce our gameplay to...baby I've got news for you.

[hollow ginkgo]

Okay now riddle me this

[muted holly]

💀

[white locust]

People are playing 2s?!

[hollow ginkgo]

Why r u asking for buffs on the highest win rate character in 2s

[desert roost]

What is her pick rate?

[hollow ginkgo]

Average pick rate

[muted holly]

any human with a functional brain knows winrate means nothing...

[desert roost]

highly doubt that one.

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s not super high cause most people don’t just wanna run away and spam up b and projectiles all game

[hollow ginkgo]

Lmfao

[desert roost]

Well that's not remotely true.

[hollow ginkgo]

Velma player cope be like, “just cause every Velma is in capable of losing with this character doesn’t mean she’s broken”

she only has an up b that hits above below in front and behind her that we spam

It’s a really hard move to land

And it’s high skill

[desert roost]

Ok

[hollow ginkgo]

Also we aim bot projectiles on u

[desert roost]

So you are saying Velma has the highest win rate in 2's?

[hollow ginkgo]

Yes

Because she’s ez and broken

[desert roost]

Velma has a 53.3% Win Rate in 2's (Ranked). Stripe's is 58.4%.

[hollow ginkgo]

Anyone can run away and spam projectiles

[desert sonnet]

Ok

[hollow ginkgo]

That’s just for today

Her win rate most of the time is top 1

[muted holly]

get her to masters I without complaining once, then maybe someone will agree

[desert roost]

Those are stats from the last 7 days.

[hollow ginkgo]

Either way u guys r complaining about a character with s tier win rate

How much do u need to be carried to actually want buffs for a character this broken

I can’t comprehend this

[desert roost]

You are saying things that aren't true.

[hollow ginkgo]

Buddy she’s got a tier win rate

[desert roost]

Velma is number 7 on winrate in ranked 2's for the last 7 days.

[hollow ginkgo]

And ur complaining

R u out of u mind

[desert roost]

What you are stating is actually false...

[hollow ginkgo]

Do u just want a win button

That’s the only buff they can add to her at this point

[desert roost]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/insights?mode=2v2

[hollow ginkgo]

This is just how it is currently

It’s a changes

[desert roost]

That is the last 7 days.

[hollow ginkgo]

But for the past several seasons she is the character who has spent the most amount of time on top 1

[wooden jolt]

insert asia dead server

Yes you fkin heard me

Asia swrver is so dead

Only 1v1 playable

[desert roost]

Velma did have a 60% win rate at some point in time with one of the lowest pick rates. She had a high win rate because the people who player her were actually good players.

[hollow ginkgo]

What r u talking about

[wooden jolt]

And u saying velma has 2v2 highest wr , sure BUT THAT DOESNT ME SHE IS OP IN 2V2

[wooden jolt]

What im saying is

2v2 is braindead mode and also DEAD GAMEMODE

[hollow ginkgo]

she’s always had around 2% pickrate

[wooden jolt]

Last time i tried queues 2v2 (nonrank) 320 sec still 0 matches

Like THATS NON RANK

Imagine its A GOD DAMN RANK

[hollow ginkgo]

Is that how it is in asia?

[wooden jolt]

YES

For past 2 months now ffs

WITH HOW BS RP GAIN IN ASIA THE HIGHEST I CAN GET EVEN ONLY MASTER 1

[hollow ginkgo]

Ig people in asia don’t play 2s

Not an issue here

[wooden jolt]

Thats cuz i got lucky with gains

Asia barely has players no sht sherlock

[hollow ginkgo]

I don’t know what happens in Asia dummy

[wooden jolt]

The only reason why velma need buff ,its for 1v1 or elsee heck 2v2

[hollow ginkgo]

No cause she would be unbeatable in 2s

[wooden jolt]

Like sure they can nerf 2v2 stuff for her but buff her 1v1

[desert roost]

You are on a rant and it's like misdirected. You should be in the agent smith chat... or like stripe.

[wooden jolt]

Like i said its called readjusting her for 1v1 condition

[ember horizon]

trackergg doesnt depict winrates and pickrates at specific ranks

she is not meta in masters

[hollow ginkgo]

Okay sure nerf her up b and all her projectiles

That’s how u fix her in 2s

[ember horizon]

(i am a 1s player)

[hollow ginkgo]

She’s a zoner with some of the best normals in the game

[wooden jolt]

With how they also nerf flamable which is also her best move

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s horrible game design

[wooden jolt]

meanwhile tnj and bugs can zone much better and spam better

[ember horizon]

also reindog has been leading winrates in 1s and nobody thinks reindog is broken

[merry dawn]

what normals are you referring to

[ember horizon]

unless theres something wrong with ur brain

[desert roost]

True. It's just all encompassing, but their argument was that Velma has the highest winrate in 2's overall...which was false.

[hollow ginkgo]

Her jab, up tilt, up air

[wooden jolt]

Her up special is literally the worst thing in game cuz how slow the start up

[hollow ginkgo]

Bro Velma players spam it

If it’s so bad

[wooden jolt]

Sure its good but thats the only armpr breaker moves but also slow

[merry dawn]

all of those have over 14 frames of startup

[hollow ginkgo]

Why r they constantly using it

[wooden jolt]

ITS HER ONLY MOVE TO COUNTER ARMORS

[ember horizon]

she can spam it in 2s

[wooden jolt]

Not in 1v1

[ember horizon]

if you do it in 1s you get punished

very easily

[hollow ginkgo]

They literally spam it no matter what

[fallow anchor]

How would yall feel about jab being faster?

[wooden jolt]

Like 2v2s slready chaotic

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s an unmissable massive disjoint

[desert sonnet]

Huh?

[wooden jolt]

Massive disjoint???????

MASSIVE DISJOINY????

[hollow ginkgo]

Yes

That’s literally what it is

[wooden jolt]

I fkin use that move inmy live NEVER FELT ANY DISJOINT

[desert roost]

Samurai Jack's FOOT would like a word.

[wooden jolt]

THEY LITERALLY HIT ME FIRST BEFORE MY CAMERA EVEN POP

[hollow ginkgo]

Do u even know what a disjoint is

[wooden jolt]

Like look at beetle juice up tilt

[misty dew]

I love talking about things I have no clue about 😍

[wooden jolt]

THAT MOVE IS SUPER DISJOINT AND NONE COMPLAINT ABOUT IT

And u complained about velma has disjoin on camera?

Like her hitbox is so small below her OR its literally on her body

[hollow ginkgo]

Yes

[ember horizon]

i can understand hating velma in 2s, but you realize theres 2v2 weeklies all the time for this game

[hollow ginkgo]

Its literally the easiest move in the game to land

[ember horizon]

and velma is nowhere to be seen in top 8

its just cam

[wooden jolt]

As if theres more other moves can land better

[hollow ginkgo]

I can genuinely play her blindfolded and land it every time

[wooden jolt]

Not in 1v1

Dead ass

[ember horizon]

theres a difference between degenerate playstyles and actually being a busted character

[merry dawn]

who do you play @hollow ginkgo

[wooden jolt]

Also

Camera is her only kill move

Mostly

For early kills

[hollow ginkgo]

That’s cap

[wooden jolt]

Trust me its her kill move lol

[ember horizon]

bros just ignoring the logical arguments

💀

[desert roost]

^

[hollow ginkgo]

Also funny how it’s her kill move that she uses for everything else

[merry dawn]

her “early kills” killing at 100 lmao

[wooden jolt]

U can ask all velma mains

[wooden jolt]

Yeah

[hollow ginkgo]

What is it

[wooden jolt]

With camera

[ember horizon]

you're referring to statistics that dont filter by ranks

[hollow ginkgo]

Genuinely I haven’t heard a single good point on why the easy to play zoner isn’t broken

[ember horizon]

and in tournaments velma doesnt dominate

even in 2s

she is nowhere near dominating

[misty dew]

ay who do you play tho

[wooden jolt]

insert bugs and tnj AS WELL

[misty dew]

I like how you dodged that question lmao

[hollow ginkgo]

This is what I mean

Zero good points

[merry dawn]

her disadvantage is ass and her advantage is terrible

[desert roost]

^

[hollow ginkgo]

I explain why Velma is broken

[ember horizon]

bro ignored me again

[muted holly]

with reasons that are 100% wrong

[wooden jolt]

Velma isnt broken JESUS FK

[hollow ginkgo]

And u guys just say other broken af characters exist

[merry dawn]

this is bait atp

[white locust]

Please tell enlighten us lol

I gotta know

[hollow ginkgo]

How

[merry dawn]

wdym how

[boreal wharf]

You gotta be trolling

[desert roost]

Do you want an actual answer or are you just going to say...she just does x y and z.

[ember horizon]

hes a WW player btw

[misty dew]

LOLZ

[merry dawn]

wow

[ember horizon]

a character whos been dominating 2s since launch

[desert roost]

LMAO

Not a WW player. PLEASE

[muted holly]

get them outta here

[hollow ginkgo]

How in the world does a character who just flies with up b(MASSIVE UNMISSABLE DISJOINT) supposed to have a bad disadvantage

[desert roost]

PLEASE LEAVE

[wooden jolt]

Lol OFC THEY GONNA SPAM CAMERA ON WW

[desert roost]

https://tenor.com/bcBrp.gif

[wooden jolt]

Ww has sht load armor

[merry dawn]

20 frame move btw

[white locust]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[muted holly]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-goofy-quirky-stop-talking-gif-23359668

[boreal wharf]

It’s so punishable so why are you giving a player the chance to do that

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s massive unmissable disjoint and it only has 20 frame start up?!???

[muted holly]

ONLY?????????????????????????

[hollow ginkgo]

This has to be some sort of sick joke right

[merry dawn]

genuinely a skill issue if you’re getting hit by up b

[boreal wharf]

Unmissable is kinda crazy

[desert roost]

Your points are the jokes...?

[hollow ginkgo]

Lmfaoooook

How in the world r u people real

Yall can’t be this boosted

[desert sonnet]

How are you getting hit by it so much?

[wooden jolt]

Btw cam is the only velma player in tournament@hollow ginkgo

[ember horizon]

people who play for money arent picking velma

[desert roost]

Unless you are running face first into calculated and then getting up b'd. I'm unsure how you just get hit with it raw.

[ember horizon]

that should say enough about how good she is

[muted holly]

i am forgotten 😔

[boreal wharf]

Mashing fs

[wooden jolt]

I havent see you play in tournament sowwy T_T

Cuz i didnt keep up with tournaments that much

[hollow ginkgo]

Velma players r so badd omg

They have the best kit ever

[ember horizon]

stay hardstuck diamond

[hollow ginkgo]

And still complain

[desert sonnet]

Ok

[ember horizon]

🙂

[hollow ginkgo]

I’m master 1

[ember horizon]

so am i

[wooden jolt]

Lol its best on paper

[muted holly]

weak

[wooden jolt]

Best on paper but bad on doong it

[white locust]

Literally top 100 above that lol

[wooden jolt]

Same but i lost it cuz rank decay bs

[hollow ginkgo]

I don’t no life the game so I’m not grandmaster

[muted holly]

well masters I with ww isnt an achievement 💀

[merry dawn]

master 1 in a game where 80% of players are that rank lmao

[muted holly]

genuinly a skill issue 🤓☝️

[merry dawn]

rank means nothing in this game

[hollow ginkgo]

Nah I could lose for a day straight and not derank out of it

I have a high af win rate but don’t play enough to get grandmaster

[wooden jolt]

Lol dont u remember what i told u?

Asia is super dead

+2 all time around

[hollow ginkgo]

Yeah ur cooked

[wooden jolt]

Cuz there is barely master rsnk

Even they are , they have low ass mmr than me

My only choice is facing OCE gms to gain rp

[hollow ginkgo]

I was getting +4 elo at some point in master 4 only

And got all the way to master 1 like that

I had to farm the dookie ass Velma players

[wooden jolt]

And heres another problem

I constantly getting crashes

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s a good thing Velma players don’t think or it would be impossible to win

[white locust]

This dude picked a random character thread to gas light people. Im about it!!

[hollow ginkgo]

I swear I’m being 100% serious

She’s genuinely over powered af

[ember horizon]

email pfg

they'll listen to u

[muted holly]

i might need to try that to get velma buffed...

[hollow ginkgo]

Btw what is up with zoners in this game

I can’t ever get a match where people aren’t just running away

[ember horizon]

its why theyre experimenting with shields

[hollow ginkgo]

Btw to all the people asking for my main

I play Wonder Woman

All I do is chase after people running away

[ember horizon]

people will run away with any character

thats just a good playstyle

rn

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s so boring

[ember horizon]

i agree, and PFG know this

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s genuinely exosting running after zoners and campers all day

[ember horizon]

theyve been buffing approaches every patch

it just takes time

[hollow ginkgo]

The issues is u can use approach tools that get buffed to also run

They also only buff campy characters

While rush downs like Wonder Woman r getting nerfed constantly

[ember horizon]

there are still good rush down characters

at least in 1s

agent smith and shaggy are really good

[hollow ginkgo]

It sucks in 2s rn

Which is what I mainly play

Cause I get bored alone

So I always play with a friend

[white locust]

You sound like a sissy

[ember horizon]

yeah i cant really speak for 2s meta

[white locust]

Run the 1s

[hollow ginkgo]

Ur a Velma player right?

[white locust]

Of course not shes terrible

I only play slightly terrible characters

[hollow ginkgo]

Who do u play

[white locust]

Superman

[hollow ginkgo]

Lmfao

U did not just call super man slightly terrible

[white locust]

He has gimmicks on like 3 moves and everything else is useless

[hollow ginkgo]

Bro name 1 bad move on him

[white locust]

And like 1 guy winning tournaments makes it so he cant be buffed or fixed

[white locust]

Laser

[hollow ginkgo]

Seriously name one bad move on super man

[hollow ginkgo]

They why do u mf’s spam it so much

I’m tired of u guys saying ur number 1 spammed move is bad

[white locust]

If youre dumb enough to get hit by it its free damage

[desert roost]

The way I just hollered!

[hollow ginkgo]

That’s like samurai jack players saying jab is a bad move

[white locust]

and it forces you to jump sometimes

[white locust]

At least make the gas lighting believable

[hollow ginkgo]

It’s a safe projectile that forces u to jump and forces u into air to airs with SUPER MAN

aka u lose

Super man is nearly unbeatable in the air

And on the ground he’s got multiple armored moves

The biggest dodge in the game

And an unedgegaudable recovery

For a Velma player, this is not that good apparently

That’s how high the standard is

[ember horizon]

who is an honest character to you

besides WW

[hollow ginkgo]

Ima be real with u

No one

[desert roost]

Who isn't honest like at all.

[hollow ginkgo]

This game is bs

[desert roost]

Not even WW. Ok

[ember horizon]

ok well then idk what to say

if you dont have fun with this game you should stop playing

[hollow ginkgo]

Ww is more honest then most

Especially after the last nerf

She just losses interactions

[desert roost]

Someone who can swing out of everything isn't exactly honest...at least not to me.

[hollow ginkgo]

Wdym

[desert roost]

Velma can downair WW and WW can punish her for it.

[hollow ginkgo]

How

When does this happen

[desert roost]

She dodge attacks...

Literally like all the time because downair doesn't have any true confirms out of it.

[hollow ginkgo]

So ur saying if I dodge ur attack

It’s not me

It’s ww

[desert roost]

No, what I'm saying is. Any character who is technically supposed to be in 'disadvantage' by getting hit and gets to abuse another characters advantage state is not a fair character.

[hollow ginkgo]

If u down air Wonder Woman she takes Hitsun just like anyone else

Btw does anyone know when the patch is out

[desert roost]

I guarentee you she could hit me before I could do anything.

[hollow ginkgo]

If u wanna see how honest she is

Have Wonder Woman up b Velma

[merry dawn]

if you’re losing interactions often enough to complain about it on ww, maybe it’s you who’s the problem

[desert roost]

I've played WW and I have a field day...because I just get to run people over.

LOL

[hollow ginkgo]

And have Velma do any attack

[merry dawn]

respectfully

[hollow ginkgo]

Velma will win

Every time

[hollow ginkgo]

I don’t

I don’t lose

I’m better

[merry dawn]

then why are you complaining about ww losing interactions

you are ass

[hollow ginkgo]

The issue I have is I need to be waaaay better to win

Because the game is unbalanced

[merry dawn]

on a top 5 character saying all that btw

[hollow ginkgo]

Her up b has zero priorities

Up b is her main juggle tool

And people let me get away with it

If u challenge it u just win

The only reason why I win is cause the people I’m fighting r bad

[merry dawn]

not rlly

[hollow ginkgo]

My character is objectively worse

[hollow ginkgo]

Test it rn

Before u make assumptions

Just go test it

[merry dawn]

look at how people like jungle, shiro, etc play ww and use up special and you’ll see that up b wins interactions most of the time

[desert roost]

Your capping like on some MEGA cap and I will not engage in this anymore. You will believe whatever you want no matter what stats or supporting evidence we give you.

[hollow ginkgo]

This was an older patche

I literally clipped a game where a Tom and Jerry were jabbing on a platform

And I up specialed them

AND LOST

jabs r supposed to have less priority

And I lost

[merry dawn]

you do know it takes time for moves to come out right

[hollow ginkgo]

My move was already out

[merry dawn]

literally watch any recent frostiversus sets with ww in it and you’ll see up b consistently hit

or any ww tourney sets

[hollow ginkgo]

This is a recent thing from the last patch

[hollow ginkgo]

First of all Wonder Woman players who play in these tournaments have lost to me before in ranked

I’m not some dumbass player who doesn’t know what he’s talking about

I haven seen recent games

But I know they aren’t gonna be using it as much anymore

It’s not good now

[merry dawn]

lmao okay dude

[hollow ginkgo]

In 2s tho

Cause I don’t play 1s

[ancient pagoda]

What is Velma’s win rate in 2’s

Compared to something like WW or bugs.

[merry dawn]

what’s ur ign

[hollow ginkgo]

Ign?

[ancient pagoda]

In game name

[hollow ginkgo]

Oh

It’s Escanor2

[ancient pagoda]

Where are you checking win rate percentages, on the tracker?

[hollow ginkgo]

Velma is better

[ancient pagoda]

Now that’s a stretch..

[hollow ginkgo]

https://tracker.gg/multiversus/insights?mode=2v2

[hollow ginkgo]

Recently Velma dropped a bit

But I’ve been checking it non stop for a while

Velma has been top 1 for a large majority of the game

In 2s

She’s been pretty high in 1s

But not as well as 2s

[ancient pagoda]

A 2% pick rate compared to 5%

[hollow ginkgo]

5% is a super high pick rate

2% is average

[ancient pagoda]

That’s what I’m saying compared to bugs and ww

Everyone uses them in 2’s so the WR isn’t as high as Velma’s

Since only better players pick Velma

[hollow ginkgo]

There is a problem with ur logic

If we were to go with what ur saying

[ancient pagoda]

Bet

[hollow ginkgo]

Joker would be bottom 1

Do u think joker is the worst character in the game?

No?

I didn’t think so

[ancient pagoda]

I said since more people use bugs and ww their WR is lower than Velma’s

That doesn’t make Velma better than Bugs and WW

[ember horizon]

all trackergg statistics tell you is how good characters are in the hands of the general playerbase

not at masters and above

or even in tournaments

[hollow ginkgo]

Yes but joker has 1.6% pick rate and 46% win rate

Going by ur logic

He’s the worst character in the game

[ancient pagoda]

Maybe joker is ass in 2’s, who knows

[muted holly]

joker is just a boring archetype

[ember horizon]

he is not that great in 2s

imo

[hollow ginkgo]

So is Velma

She’s more boring then joker but has higher pick rate then him

The thing is unfun characters like Velma and other zoners r always gonna have lower pick rates

And then the devs r gonna think they r bad

So they get buffed

[ember horizon]

thats not true though

[hollow ginkgo]

While fun characters get nerfed

[ember horizon]

velma had super high pickrates in beta

people will flock to any meta character

no matter how boring

[hollow ginkgo]

Cause she was horrifically unbalanced

She was more broken then bugs was on release

[ember horizon]

yeah which is my point, people will play any character if they can get wins easily

has nothing to do with fun

[hollow ginkgo]

Okay but if u get two equally broken characters but one if a fun rush down and the other is a boring zoner. Everyone is gonna flock to the rush down

And then the rush down will be the only one getting nerfed

[ember horizon]

again not true, morty and velma had their dominant metas in the beta

[hollow ginkgo]

That’s why zoners r primarly the meta rn

[ember horizon]

both got nerfed severely

[hollow ginkgo]

They keep getting buffs

While rush downs get nerfs

[ember horizon]

anyways gonna play the game now

have fun with new season

[hollow ginkgo]

Out of the beta rn

[ember horizon]

🙂

[hollow ginkgo]

Any time Morty got nerfed

He got buffed a week later

Ww gets nerfed

And she gets nerfed again the next patch

It’s why the player base is dropping constantly

[ancient pagoda]

Cause she’s better than Velma.

[hollow ginkgo]

Most people just don’t wanna play zoners

And rush downs keep getting worse

So they just stop playing all together

[hollow ginkgo]

She has never had a higher win rate then her

[ancient pagoda]

In 2’s

What about 1’s

How many tourney wins does Velma have?

[hollow ginkgo]

Okay so why is the game being balanced around only 1s

Literally this game was designed for 2s

And in 2s Velma isn’t fair

She’s broken

[ember horizon]

people like both modes

[ancient pagoda]

Have you even played Velma? She’s ass.

[ember horizon]

and theyre not gonna be able to balance for both

[hollow ginkgo]

I have for a couple games in 2s

And I won every game

I didn’t lose at all

[ancient pagoda]

My fault

You’re the best.

[hollow ginkgo]

No u just need to try her in 2s

Genuinely at worst u will have 60% win rate

I played her and black Adam

Cause I was getting mad from all the zoning

So I wanted to do it back

[ember horizon]

you sound like you would like 1s

idk why you dont play it

you can punish zoners in 1s

[white locust]

Because hes a sissy and his ego can't stand losing alone

No one else to blame

[hollow ginkgo]

Games not fun alone

[hollow ginkgo]

I don’t lose

[ancient pagoda]

I prioritized my BJ in 2’s.

I got #1 to get this season and not #2.

[hollow ginkgo]

I barley play 1s but I had like a 100% win rate until g1

And then stopped playing

Cause it wasn’t fun

[ancient pagoda]

Anyway, supposedly servers are up

[desert sonnet]

They are

[desert roost]

@ancient pagoda It's under 2 seconds for static electricity. Not worth,

[ancient pagoda]

Static is op now

At least for Beetlejuice it’s op

I didn’t try Velma yet

[desert roost]

Ohhh I thought you meant for Velma. My bad. @ancient pagoda