Velma

[muted holly]

2 weeks i guess

[placid idol]

that's not too far away then

[desert roost]

The main reason I think they don't touch her is because Velma has a high win rate

But that's only because a hand full of us play her and we are good

[muted holly]

it might really be their last chance to revive their game tho... people got dissapointed hard with s3 release

[heavy mortar]

And that’s why they never should’ve made Nubia her own character and nerfed the wrong people

And the game isn’t beginner friendly

[placid idol]

I feel like all patch so far was their last chance, everyone who didn't care much about the game have already left, and the one who are still here for most part will probably keep playing. So I don't see them magically fix the game in a near future if I'm being honest

[desert roost]

Now I don't think throwing nubia in there is called for lmao

[heavy mortar]

It’s cause nobody knows who she is

People know the power puff girls

[muted holly]

btw wasnt the minimum rp 6?

[heavy mortar]

It made people play the game again who’s gonna come for a character that was meant to be a reskin

For what rank

[muted holly]

masters

but isnt it generally 6 at least?

[heavy mortar]

I think so

[muted holly]

lets gooo they cant even properly implement a minimum value

i gained 1

[heavy mortar]

Woah what

[muted holly]

and after that i gained 5

[heavy mortar]

There’s your 6 I guess

[muted holly]

😔

[hallow fractal]

6 rp is ur min loss or gain?

[muted holly]

gain

[hallow fractal]

Wow

[muted holly]

minimum loss isnt a thing

[heavy mortar]

Gain 6 lose 17

[hallow fractal]

Omg

[heavy mortar]

That’s not actually how much you lose lol

I mean maybe it is

[muted holly]

oh i lost 23 earlier

[heavy mortar]

This system is horrible oml

[muted holly]

against another masters player btw

system is so bad that nakat doesnt even know how it works

[heavy mortar]

You shouldn’t lose that much if you lose to someone in the same rank as yours

It feels like nakat should know too cause isn’t he a community manager

[muted holly]

he is

[heavy mortar]

What if people ask stuff about ranked like you did and he’s like “uhhh idk”

[muted holly]

he was in general earlier and i asked him what rp calculations are based off of and he just doesnt know

[desert roost]

So? Plenty of people don't know who Stripe or Gizmo is. They definitely weren't hype releases. At least not for me.

[heavy mortar]

Weren’t they beta

[desert roost]

I'm just sayingh

[calm herald]

Finally made it to gold 3

Now to get out of gold hell

[heavy mortar]

No I get it

Gold is like a breeding ground for sweats

[muted holly]

in gold you can queue almost anyone

except masters

[heavy mortar]

This game really doesn’t want anyone to stick around if a gold player is getting put against diamonds

[muted holly]

they have possibly their final chance to fix everything at midseason

[desert roost]

Sorry was in a match.

[muted holly]

that patch will decide the future of mvs

[heavy mortar]

They need to get it right and I hope they do

[desert roost]

No I was just saying like...just because it wast beta doesn't change the fact that we weren't like. Yasss Gizmo and Stripe. We were like ohh okay? They didn't receive hate it was like a. Eh, whatever.

[heavy mortar]

People know the gremlins not like a lot but its known atleast

[muted holly]

one major difference: nubia is one random dc character while we already have too many dc characters, gremlins was a new series or movie or whatever it is introduced into the game

• she basically is a wonder woman copy

nothing exciting to the average player

[heavy mortar]

Yea

[calm herald]

Me who got a masters player the other day

To fight

[muted holly]

no way they also broke their matchmaking...

[calm herald]

Not with

[heavy mortar]

If it were marceline people would be excited and they are but she’s not coming until season 4 and who knows if the game will be as alive as it is rn

[calm herald]

It was a masters WW too

[heavy mortar]

I can’t stand ww players

[calm herald]

I didnt pay attention to the name but I wont lie they played like Shriogane

I fought them in a tourney once

[muted holly]

all wws play the same

[calm herald]

Not Shirogane

Other WWs i'm able to get some good damage on while Shriogane does everything right

[muted holly]

matchup issues

[heavy mortar]

She’s just hard to hit in general I feel like

[calm herald]

Up air special spam go brrr

[heavy mortar]

Literallyyy lmao

[muted holly]

jab1 with 0 whiff is also fineeee

[calm herald]

Make down tilt an armpr break/hj

[heavy mortar]

High risk zero reward

Guaranteed no reward

[sturdy orbit]

Smith moment

That jab is busted

[muted holly]

i was talking bout ww but fair enough

[desert roost]

That's not the reason. It being DC doesn't matter. They could have literally added Raven which I believe is still in that realm and they would be ecstatic. She's a completely separate character from Wonder Woman in her own entirety.

[heavy mortar]

Everyone knows raven

[muted holly]

^

[heavy mortar]

Raven from teen titans

[desert roost]

Yes exactly. So it doesn't matter that is DC. It's all on popularity.

[heavy mortar]

Nubia from

[sturdy orbit]

Nubia is from Multiversus now

[desert roost]

But that goes back to the whole. Gizmo and Stripe convo

[sturdy orbit]

Same difference

[heavy mortar]

Samus from smash

And if its popularity why would they choose a random dc character only a dc fanboy would know about

[sturdy orbit]

Nah thats falcon

[desert roost]

It also is probably a race thing to some degree Lebron is the only other black character in the game. And they definitely could have chosen someone else like Storm for representation which I would have loved. They went a different direction. Give Nubia her spotlight make people research more into who she is. Most people don't know the story.

It may be setting up for the Nubia move to come out. Whooo knows lol.

[heavy mortar]

I think they added LeBron to make clout for spacejam

He’s just a wasted slot like beetlejuice

[desert roost]

More than likely

[sturdy orbit]

Thats also why they added Black Adam

[heavy mortar]

They were both added just as advertisements

[desert roost]

For the Black Adam move.

Yup

[sturdy orbit]

Tho wasted slots isn’t technically a thing in this game

[desert roost]

Literally not

[heavy mortar]

They really need to stop adding these random characters for ads

[desert roost]

They have soo much material and so much to work with.

As long as every character is unique. I do not see a problem with it

[muted holly]

nubia is just a wasted slot

[desert roost]

Heck people were even complaining about the PPGs being added instead of like some other male character. Not to be like this but the last like 8 characters have been male. Give the women some representation

[desert roost]

No such thing

especially when there isn't a cap.

That's just bad talk

[heavy mortar]

There will be a cap when the game dies cause they kept adding random characters like Nubia

[muted holly]

she will be unless they make her kit exceptionally fun or if she is top meta (probably option 2)

[heavy mortar]

People are saying she’s just amazonian banana guard

[desert roost]

We have not seen any gameplay of her.

People are just talking to talk

[heavy mortar]

I think they said it cause she just has a spear

[desert roost]

Probably...which is dumb. Lol

[heavy mortar]

I feel like they could have shown a little bit of Nubia gameplay

[sturdy orbit]

Ary and SJ both have swords

Same character

[desert roost]

LMAO

Love this!

Don't forget Finn and Diana. They also have one. Same character.

Black Adam and Superman can both fly. Oooo. Same character.

[sturdy orbit]

Personally, both sides of the Nubia argument are dumb

[desert roost]

I'm all for just letting the character be whatever she is going to be. She will more than likely play nothing like WW.

[heavy mortar]

And then she plays exactly like ww

[desert roost]

No optimism huh?

[heavy mortar]

It was a joke

[muted holly]

i dont have much hope in pfg

[desert roost]

I have hope for PFG on anything that doesn't have to deal with Velma

That's for sure.

[muted holly]

they havent done much right yet

ranked is still horrible

lag is still a huge problem

balancing is still terrible

monetization is just harsh

rifts are terrible

i can keep going

[heavy mortar]

Reindog should be free

He would be a better beginner character then shaggy

Then they won’t spam kick cause that’s all the game teaches you

[sturdy orbit]

Honestly yeah

Give out the literal MVS original character as the first one

Used to be WW

[desert roost]

I don't lag like at all.

[muted holly]

lagspikes and input delay got worse this patch

[desert roost]

We even played across regions and were fine

[heavy mortar]

Everyone says it’s always a connection issue in your end

“Get wired internet” like no it’s not me it’s the game

[desert roost]

Lmao***

[desert roost]

Lucid lives in EU and I live in the US. We had 0 lag

When we honestly thought we'd be lagging up a storm lol

[heavy mortar]

It’s surprising you didn’t lag tbh

[heavy mortar]

Is it just me or are those messages not showing up

[heavy mortar]

Uhh

[heavy mortar]

Alright lol

[muted holly]

great point

just wanted to know if it still worked lol

[heavy mortar]

Enough

[placid idol]

ahahaha

[calm herald]

[boreal wharf]

Wow jab really isn’t true I watched some of my gameplay and they dodged out after the 2nd jab

[calm herald]

I dont get why that happens

It's an auto combo it should always be true

[muted holly]

someone come play 2s im bored again

[calm herald]

Double Velma?

I can

[muted holly]

yessss

ZzLucid is the ign

[calm herald]

Theres two ZzLucids

[muted holly]

huh

how is that supposed to work

[calm herald]

One with an Ice King pfp and a Velma pfp so imma assume you're the Velma

[muted holly]

ye im the velma

i got fans i guess

[calm herald]

Summer Velma team lets go

[muted holly]

hopefully servers have mercy again

[calm herald]

Double Velma is so fun

[muted holly]

its so wack

but confusing

[calm herald]

If only ranked allowed it

[muted holly]

so many marks are applied

and the bug doesnt help with that

i guess the lag is fine on your part?

[calm herald]

I didmt experience any

[muted holly]

aight nice

that double van 😭

[calm herald]

LMAO THE DOUBLE VAN

The best part about this team is clues galore

[muted holly]

permanent grey health

[calm herald]

Fr

[muted holly]

i can feel some input delay tho

but its fine

[calm herald]

Not on my end

[muted holly]

i guess we play on freedom land servers

[calm herald]

Maybe

[muted holly]

im about as close to the us as it gets for eu

[calm herald]

Dang

There was a bit of lag that game

But it didnt hinder me luckily

[muted holly]

uh oh

should be fine

[calm herald]

Usually its because of the stage

My Velma had two pairs of glasses when crawling lol

[muted holly]

yea one is in the ground or smt

or at least, the outline was there

[calm herald]

Yeah

Dang those early kills at the start

[muted holly]

speedrunning these kids

[calm herald]

Velma speedrun world record

Every Batman player ive seen in this game is toxic asf

[muted holly]

they are just boosted

wait until he gets nerfed and they will stop

[calm herald]

Nah they're always gonna be like this

[muted holly]

80 dmg for mashing on hitstun

[calm herald]

I love going from 0 to 100 from a single team combo

[muted holly]

can you call that a combo tho?

[calm herald]

Pseudo combo?

[muted holly]

mashing

the crawl train is funny

[calm herald]

Fr lol

[muted holly]

why use taunts when you can just crawl around the stage

[calm herald]

Real

Lmao

[muted holly]

asserting dominance

van into crawl true combo

[desert roost]

Naw. I like the 'beckon' taunt

It's hilarious lol

[muted holly]

crawl

[boreal wharf]

Tbag into crawl better tbh

[calm herald]

My fault on that one

[muted holly]

crawl stuttering

[muted holly]

bad map

[calm herald]

Yeah I dont really like this map

Glad it isnt in ranked

[muted holly]

i wouldnt even be surprised if it gets added into the ranked pool in midseason

[calm herald]

If it does im quitting everytime I see it

Wtf I died at 100 from mid stage

[muted holly]

does he just not have a hurtbox in that pile?

[calm herald]

He does

But you need a good disjoint or projectile to hit him

[hallow fractal]

I am very happy for nubia to be included personally

[calm herald]

Which is why I use megaphone when I see it

[muted holly]

2 bubbles and a megaphone went trough

[calm herald]

Did they change it??

[muted holly]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[calm herald]

Cause if so thats dumb

[hallow fractal]

Also I got my velma to the 20s yay

[calm herald]

I was abal to hit him with max range megaphone a lot

[calm herald]

Nice

[muted holly]

push top 1 now

[boreal wharf]

GM#1 Velma otw

[calm herald]

Jack you cant stop the crawl train

[muted holly]

xddd

funny how we both just started crawling when he got caught

[calm herald]

Its a ritual now

Aw man

My crawl

[muted holly]

:(

[calm herald]

Did I go under the ladder??

[muted holly]

huh?

[calm herald]

I was trying to climb back up and I died under the stage not next to the ladder

[muted holly]

didnt see that

[calm herald]

Weird

[hallow fractal]

I'll try lol

[muted holly]

this is not gonna be a fun match

[hallow fractal]

Maybe lol

[hallow fractal]

If I do it's all thanks to coach @muted holly lol

[calm herald]

Honestly idk why they didnt use their barriers

[muted holly]

did it help?

[muted holly]

stoopid

did you lag out?

[calm herald]

Love how my tv cut off during the match

[muted holly]

ahh

sadge

[calm herald]

Im gonna get a better xbox eventually

Lemme get it fixed rq

[muted holly]

go ahead

[calm herald]

There we go

Oh dang

They bought the whole battlepass

[muted holly]

idk why someone thinks thats a good idea

isnt that like 100 bucks

[calm herald]

Save it for the next one

[muted holly]

1.8m dmg????????

thats almost 4x my velma dmg

[calm herald]

Arya players are dedicated

[muted holly]

i cant dodge that with this input delay

[calm herald]

NO LIKE ACTUALLY WTF

Aryas always know what they're doing

[muted holly]

the 1 excact same combo

[calm herald]

I hate that its an airwalker combo and a tod

[muted holly]

this input laggggg

[calm herald]

I hate it here

[muted holly]

they just transferred all of jokers power from jab to dair

call that balancing

[calm herald]

Dont forget uair

[muted holly]

bro tried to save the game 😭

[calm herald]

Fr

Imma go eat dinner now

[muted holly]

ahh alr

[calm herald]

Ggs and hope we can play together again

[muted holly]

for sure

[calm herald]

Imma get back to my ranked grind after im done eating

[muted holly]

👍

[hallow fractal]

Yeah I definitely do more bubbles into sair books now lol.

The way im forced to play with randos so my rp gain and loss are good

[muted holly]

pain 😔

had to go trough the same thing

[boreal wharf]

Actually a horrible system and I’m playing against the gods of multiversus

[hallow fractal]

I've had to fight a few gm players and it's crazy

Luckily on loss it's like -3 and on win +33

[muted holly]

tf

i had -19 +25

unfair

[boreal wharf]

I’ve fought the #1 taz #2 bugs #1 PPG #1 lebron and #1 Superman all in the same hour we love 🔥matchmaking

[hallow fractal]

I was in gold at the time tho

[muted holly]

ahh

[hallow fractal]

Dang

[hallow fractal]

Imo that makes it worse

[muted holly]

is vexuxe still #1 ppg?

[hallow fractal]

I was like wtf are yall doing here lol

Gotta love it when the game freezes

[muted holly]

yeaaa something is wrong client sided, my pc is overkill for this game yet it lag spikes often

[hallow fractal]

Re logged and now my screen is empty lol

[hallow fractal]

Gotta love it when the rando dies 3 times before my first death smh

[boreal wharf]

It happens a lot for some reason

[hallow fractal]

Its so annoying

[boreal wharf]

Like I can understand if you died to something dumb like garnet star or a 0td but they just be on the other side of the map losing 1s

Then when I switch with them they still getting beat up 💔

[hallow fractal]

Yeah im getting over ranked today

It looks like early in the morning is best time for randos

[boreal wharf]

fs the game is unplayable from 12-5 am for me

[muted holly]

12-16 is the best time for me

after that they suck

[boreal wharf]

I would genuinely take longer queues if it meant I’d get better matchmaking

[hallow fractal]

Ok yep I'm done for the day

When I played this morning I had a 75% win rate

Now it's 55%

[hybrid nymph]

They forget to update descriptions when they change moves. Stripe's move list implies he can use multiple buzzsaws at once, but he's limited to just 1 now.

[calm herald]

I gave up on my grind because randoms suck and I went on a losing streak

[dry fulcrum]

had the same experience, each season is harder than the last

[calm herald]

On the bright side i'm farther in gold than I was last season

[calm herald]

Okay so ive been thinking about making a Velma team synergy chart and honestly I would like to do this with all you

That way I can get opinions on how optimal teams are

[calm herald]

Im over here getting hate messages for trying to help wtf

[boreal wharf]

I’d be down to help

[heavy mortar]

When I get hate messages or something I just say god bless you to make them feel bad

Or I just say ok

[placid idol]

I'm working on shaggy framedata today for the Google sheet, just by recording his moves I already see things that make me mad 😩

[placid idol]

(shaggy framedata completed https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xlex1rGZ24JvKHBr_NJdxETHutkwdMG_w9Aa1btEyqQ/edit?gid=1827458753#gid=1827458753 )

[muted holly]

willing to do jason or iron giant next?

[placid idol]

i did jason already, I was about to do arya but I can do iron giant next

[muted holly]

ahh nah do arya then 1 of the 2 was fine, thank you for that

[placid idol]

I haven't played iron giant at all so I hope he doesn't have too many weird move with trash hitbox that are impossible to figure out

[calm herald]

I just know IG is slow

[placid idol]

also i thought i should probably add screenshot of the moves to make the sheet easier to read, as "ground air neutral special whatever" can be difficult to figure out for new players

[calm herald]

And we have better framedata than him but im always getting cooked by IGs

[placid idol]

probably have big a** hitbox i'd say, well I'm curious to see

[muted holly]

but how often would a new player look for framedata sheets?

[calm herald]

I do everytime I go into a new fighting game

Mostly ones im heavily invested in

[placid idol]

I don't know ahah, but if they find out this tool is available maybe they would want to use it, so it cannot hurt to make it easier to understand

[muted holly]

ehh fair enough, but i would recommend prioritizing the data itself

[placid idol]

Sure, well completing this sheet is enough work for now so i don't mind not adding screenshot ahah

[hallow fractal]

Is rp loss bugged?

I'm getting -16 rp consistently now

[muted holly]

we know ranked sucks

im gaining 5 consistently

[hallow fractal]

This is ***

[muted holly]

pushing grandmaster with randoms for sure isnt the greatest idea i have had

[calm herald]

Yeah it sucks

Im excited to get the PPG cause then I can actually play ones

[muted holly]

also nice that jack is still beyond busted and easy in that mode

[calm herald]

True

Same for 2s

[muted holly]

i was tallking bout 2s

number 1 jack is just mashing btw

cant miss when hitboxes cover the entire offstage

[calm herald]

Oh

Jack is just brain less in general

[muted holly]

im convinced a drooling toddler can reach grandmaster with him

[calm herald]

Loving the PPG so far

[muted holly]

got all the way to masters III with randoms

[placid idol]

Iron giant framedata : ✅
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xlex1rGZ24JvKHBr_NJdxETHutkwdMG_w9Aa1btEyqQ/edit?gid=1827458753#gid=1827458753

[boreal wharf]

Does he truly have the worst frame data in the game

[placid idol]

I don't think he has especially when you mix these with huge hitbox

Plus he has some really fast move

[calm herald]

Yet I still struggle to fight him

[latent gyro]

How good is Velma now in season 3 with the buffs?

[calm herald]

Still bad but more bearable in 2s

[calm herald]

Why is it so weird to me that Bubbles has an interaction with Velma and not Blossom? I thought that'd seem more logical

Same with Bubbles and Wonder Woman when it was shown in the series that Blossom is a Wonder Woman fan

[sour linden]

Considering Blossom is the smartest yeah it’s odd

[mellow quail]

the car is so insanely overpowered, there is no counter to it. how tf am i supposed to battle this when i am in it? are the devs r slur

[boreal wharf]

It’s the least op thing lmao very easy to counter

[unique pond]

like just jump over ledge?

[mellow quail]

youre a morty main arent u

[unique pond]

garnet

[mellow quail]

okay so im supposed to jump over the ledge when im stuck in the car? lmfao 200 iq suggestion iq bro

i cant move

[unique pond]

r u being serious right now?

[mellow quail]

yes

lol

[unique pond]

so

[mellow quail]

what indicates that i am not serious

[unique pond]

if you used this thing in ur head

you would realise

you jump over it before you get in the car

[mellow quail]

lol so ur genius suggestion is for me to dodge the car

ur so intelligent

[unique pond]

thanks

😘

[mellow quail]

meanwhile, when the car catches you, there is no counter

thank u velma main

that is my point

where is ur counter tho

im yet to see one

waiting

[unique pond]

kill her before car

or hit the car away

[mellow quail]

ok so u have no counter

got it

[unique pond]

who do u play

[mellow quail]

it needs to be nerfed

got it

[unique pond]

Velma?

[mellow quail]

irrelevant, no matter who i play, her car has no counter

what can i do to get out of the carr, velma main?

[unique pond]

car comes out maybe once every 3 games

[mellow quail]

LOOOOL!

ok ur velma main

[unique pond]

I played her like once

Who do u main

ill tell u how u counter it

[mellow quail]

irrelevant

tell me how to counter the car

what do i do?

[unique pond]

i just did

punch it

[mellow quail]

i mash buttons? i cant get out

[unique pond]

jump over it

if ur in it at a low damage it shouldnt kill

[mellow quail]

no, dodging the car doesnt counter iit once i am in it

[unique pond]

dont get in it

[mellow quail]

when ur in a jake bite, u can mash outta it

velma car? death

[unique pond]

right so here is where knowing who u play would help

[mellow quail]

this isnt a counter

her car move is OP

you rely on it

[unique pond]

so i can give you an example

[mellow quail]

that is why ur defending it

u have no answer to how i can counter it

[unique pond]

i gave u one

3 in fact

[mellow quail]

prevention isnt a counter

the thing is fat af

[unique pond]

also how can u complain about worst character in the game

[mellow quail]

with a giant hitbox

bc no one picks velma

so they gave her a huge ult

u know this is true

[unique pond]

So ur gonna complain about someone u never see

[mellow quail]

also ofc ur a garnet main

[unique pond]

Ok?

[mellow quail]

BRO I SEE HER IN MASTERS/GM ALL THE TIME

legit all the time

there is no escape to her car

you know this is true

IT IS TRUE

[unique pond]

i literally told u

[mellow quail]

i cannot counter out of it

it's fat af

[unique pond]

3 ways

anyways it takes her forever to get the clues

just hit the clues

[mellow quail]

preventing getting into it isnt a valid argument when the car has the ability to jump to catch you into it

i cant send clips in here but i hav a clip of it doing this

[unique pond]

send it to me

[mellow quail]

i will

[merry dawn]

just jump off stage…?

[sour linden]

Do you not understand that “jump over the ledge” means bait the car to drive off the edge??

It literally is that simple and there’s nothing difficult about it

No wonder so many characters get anything cool nerfed out of existence like cmon 🤦‍♂️

[boreal wharf]

Hit it, projectiles, jump

[unique pond]

Btw he went against one velma before he said this

he hasnt gone against one in like 40 games

[sour linden]

😭

[unique pond]

this is looking closer to 80

[sour linden]

I mean it’s literally the point of the van, it’s a “win condition”

A win condition that has to be collected over the course of the game and is lost when they lose a stock

Not to mention you can one shot clues that spawn on the map

[unique pond]

ive said all this stuff dont worry

[heavy mortar]

Skill issue moment

[unique pond]

he plays shaggy tho van should be a non issue

[sour linden]

Ain’t no way

A Shaggy main complaining about balancing??

Mr.Die at 70 because I landed a jab?

Mr.Go from 0 to 40 damage because I landed a jab?

Yall not locked in fr 😭

I mean seriously even if you don’t destroy the van you can very easily air stall with neutral special

Also it’s SHAGGY

[unique pond]

thats what im saying

[merry dawn]

who did he lose to

[unique pond]

camart

wait is that u

[merry dawn]

no lol

but ik camart

he’s good

[unique pond]

yea

[mellow quail]

JUST DODGE THE OP MOVE ... WHY ARE YOU COMPLAINING!!! i should be able to escape the op move

velma main ser

[unique pond]

u will laugh at this someday

[mellow quail]

i am laughing at it now

so u are right

[heavy mortar]

Just get rid of evidence dude

[mellow quail]

guys, the car should have ZERO counters so i should rise to top 20. in fact, it needs less rackets

[unique pond]

ur shaggy dude

[calm herald]

Bruh who tf comes into a character channel to complain about how op a character is like your just petty then at that point

[unique pond]

just jump over ledge and charge ur rage

[mellow quail]

bro stop exposiing me rn

[unique pond]

in fact it makes u better

[merry dawn]

not even a matter of dodging it literally go off stage and jump and it’ll jump off the edge since it can’t jump anymore

[calm herald]

You literally play a character who wins against us easily

[merry dawn]

it’s just a skill issue if you get caught tbh

[mellow quail]

ru velma main or nah

[calm herald]

You just suck if your complaining about velma genuinely

[merry dawn]

yea

[mellow quail]

ok makes sense

[merry dawn]

doesn’t take away from the fact it’s not op

[heavy mortar]

You can bait it offstage you can use sandwiches to break it you can stay in a platform and you can dodge it this is actually a skill issue

[mellow quail]

my argument is that the car needs a counter. is that so difficult

jake bite has a counter

[unique pond]

so like when u see it once every 200 games

[calm herald]

Spam projectiles at it you have a no cooldown sandwich

[merry dawn]

the counter being going off stage and letting it fall off

[unique pond]

just like jum over ledge

[mellow quail]

it is not once every 200 games

[heavy mortar]

The counter is to jump off the stage for one second

[unique pond]

yes it is

[mellow quail]

skilled velma players abuse tf outta it

[calm herald]

Your complaining about Velmas most niche tool

[unique pond]

ive seen ur matches

[mellow quail]

u must not be gm/m then

[merry dawn]

right lmao

[heavy mortar]

You can’t abuse it if you need to collect evidence (you can destroy evidence btw)

[mellow quail]

it isnt niche. it's her ult

if you get in her car, you're done

it's over

my argument is that it needs a counter of some sort

[heavy mortar]

You need a dunce cap

[mellow quail]

that's all

[calm herald]

It only kills at 40

[mellow quail]

No ur just a velma maiin

[merry dawn]

your teammate can break you out of van

[mellow quail]

ONLY KILLS AT 40!!~

[calm herald]

But its still so easy to dodge

[mellow quail]

that thing has a consciousness of its own

so that is very difficult

[heavy mortar]

It’s really not

[unique pond]

ur teammate? i would hope

[mellow quail]

iit is

[calm herald]

Because it tracks you??

[heavy mortar]

It can’t jump anymore

[merry dawn]

if ur teammate hits it towards stage you won’t die

[mellow quail]

THE FACT THAT A CAR CAN JUMP IS INDICATION IT'S A BIT TOO STRONG

[calm herald]

Yeah if it was able to jump then we'd maybe be able to see where your coming from

[mellow quail]

brb game starting

[merry dawn]

it doesn’t jump lol

[calm herald]

Bro tf

[mellow quail]

IT DOES

[heavy mortar]

They removed the jumping lol

[mellow quail]

I HAVE A CLIP OF IT JUMPING

[merry dawn]

send it

[calm herald]

Does this man not understand a word coming out of our texts

[merry dawn]

last patch it jumped, not anymore

[calm herald]

Does he not read or think about this

Like listen

[merry dawn]

Idek atp

[heavy mortar]

I’ve only seen it jump once since the season started and it was when it was going off a platform from when someone launched it

[calm herald]

We know this character way more than him and he has the guts to come in here to actually complain about our horrible character to our faces

It only jumps when its offstage for me

[merry dawn]

just a lack of match up experience so he’s biased cuz he got caught once lol

[calm herald]

It never jumps while onstage

[unique pond]

just confirmed no longer jumps on stage

[merry dawn]

buff van and give it 2 jumps and 50 health

[calm herald]

Exactly its about learning the MU

[heavy mortar]

He’s imagining things

[mellow quail]

ok i dm

[heavy mortar]

That’s the good thing about Velma though

[merry dawn]

it doesn’t jump offstage either

[mellow quail]

ru velma main or nah

[heavy mortar]

Nobody plays against Velma’s enough to know how to counter her

[calm herald]

Yes since beta holy crap why else would I be here

[heavy mortar]

Literally lol

[mellow quail]

that makes sense

[calm herald]

I mean are YOU a Velma main?

[mellow quail]

no ofc not

that is why i am complaining about the car and you are not

[calm herald]

[mellow quail]

all im saying is it needs a counter

bc

i CNAT GET OUT OF IT

when iim at 30 hp

[heavy mortar]

Bc skill issue

[boreal wharf]

It has counters

[mellow quail]

and it catches me

[heavy mortar]

Womp womp

[mellow quail]

that isnt a skill issue

[calm herald]

Skill issue if you get caught

[heavy mortar]

It literally is

[calm herald]

Genuinely

[unique pond]

since u play mostly 2v2 have ur teammate break u out

[boreal wharf]

Yes maybe it should kill at 30-40 but it’s a very easy thing to avoid

[calm herald]

Ive had so many people destroy my van whether its 2s or 1s

[heavy mortar]

90% I’ve gone against today has baited it off the map

[merry dawn]

takes a whole stock to get it aswell and that’s if you don’t die before you spawn it

[calm herald]

Heck even I as a Velma player have countered the van

Because i've seen how its done

[boreal wharf]

Same it’s actually so easy

I’ve never died to van

[calm herald]

Theres so many ways to avoid it or destroy it

Velma wins the van mu/j

Van the worst character in the game

[ebon elk]

he got timed out for saying the f word

[calm herald]

Good

Keep him away from us

[boreal wharf]

I do think van needs a slight nerf but it’s very easy to counter

[heavy mortar]

Yea i dont think it should kill at 40

[calm herald]

Honestly with how bad it is I think its fine personally

[unique pond]

bring back old velma

[calm herald]

Maybe just nerf how early it kills by like 30

[unique pond]

then theyll have something to complain about

[calm herald]

Yes please

[merry dawn]

van already got nerfs not being able to jump and having to stand still for 2 seconds before it spawns

[unique pond]

she was so fun

now she

exists...

[calm herald]

Shes bearable in 2s

[boreal wharf]

The kill power is just crazy

[calm herald]

And is at least fun to play there when you get a chance to play

But playing ones feels like being a psychic having to predict everything and know everything at once

Multiversus midseason patch will revert Velma back to on release in season 1

[heavy mortar]

Like actually or

[calm herald]

No im joking lol

[unique pond]

id be ok with velma being S

[calm herald]

But with how they "buff" Velma I wouldnt put it past them

[boreal wharf]

I don’t see that ever happening tbh

[calm herald]

At most I could see this Velma being mid B to high C tier

[boreal wharf]

More projectile nerfs otw

[merry dawn]

she needs it cuz she is not killing before 130 unless u get a camera

[unique pond]

Yall i taught him it

[calm herald]

Bruh

Honestly i'd rather him suffer

[ivory hatch]

When is it a good time to use Mystery Machine? I feel like most people just jump off stage to deal with it

[muted holly]

i usually do it after jab1>2 since they are in hitstun for a decent amount of time

[muted holly]

sometimes it does for some reason but it is kinda rare

[muted holly]

there are more then enough ways to counter it

[merry dawn]

forgot about that but it only jumps if it catches someone

[latent gyro]

So your complaining cause there isn’t counter play to getting hit. When you should prevent getting hit in the first place. Like bruh

[placid idol]

Garnet framedata : ✅

[muted holly]

how much free time do you have 😭

[placid idol]

not enough for my liking ahah, during week i can't work on it at all but on week end i try to at least complete one or two characters

(to be fair recording character moves doesn't take long, less than 10 minutes, cutting the video and counting frame is another story though...)

[cursive tendon]

are u ragebait or ass, id assume the first for your sake?

[fallow anchor]

r there any recent velma combos videos on yt or smth

[muted holly]

@fallow anchor ^^

[fallow anchor]

thank u

[heavy mortar]

That message really needs to be pinned

[muted holly]

make it happen

[heavy mortar]

I messaged a mod so let’s see

[fresh shard]

send me a link to the post in question

nvm folks I found it, has been pinned, enjoy!

[muted holly]

thank you 🙂

[fresh shard]

[calm herald]

Yay

[calm herald]

So close to getting Platinum and top 100 Velmas

[calm herald]

I absolutely hate fighting Finn no matter what character I play

I cant dodge him and he's just so rewarded for mashing

I hate the people who say Finn is bad like honestly

[placid idol]

Is there really people saying that Finn is bad?

[sour linden]

Finn def isn’t bad but he’s in a much more balanced state this patch

[sour linden]

Try to force him into aerial situations and get him into disadvantage state, he suffers from disadvantage state a lot since up special dash attack and high five are his only really reliable kill options

In fact baiting him with book and speech bubbles probably helps, get him to use grounded side special then punish, it has like a button ton of whiff endlag

[muted holly]

there is the fun part: sspecial loses recovery frames when interacting with a projectile

[sour linden]

Oh it does?

[muted holly]

mhm

[sour linden]

Oh

[muted holly]

same with ww shield

and it makes the matchup near impossible

[sour linden]

Maybe just projectile spam I guess?

[muted holly]

wont do anything, he has litteraly no endlag when hitting a projectile

[sour linden]

I’ve fought a super good Velma (PersonaZ3EXE) and from how he plays my best guess is just bait the hell out of the Finn

[muted holly]

i just poke with megaphone and pray tbh

[calm herald]

I cant do anything against Finns or Harleys

Its just annoying when i try a defensive playstyle I end up getting punished and when I try to go offense im still getting punished

[hallow fractal]

I just lost so many brain cells reading the how do you counter van conversation lol

[calm herald]

Okay fellow Velmas ive made a tier list for Velmas team synergy in Multiversus however this tier list will be subject to change since I also want your guys opinions on it so that way I can place some characters in other areas (also cause I havent played with all characters because I haven't played with any good players to represent them for this tier list) so if anyone wants to see it lmk

[sour linden]

Lmao

[ivory hatch]

My stance is that if you let Velma collect enough evidence that's your own fault

Since you can already destroy the evidence to prevent Velma from collecting them

[boreal wharf]

Please send it to me

[boreal wharf]

Most Velma players most likely run grey health so she gets that and charge for her van literally no reason not to destroy it

[ivory hatch]

Yeah half of my opponents just let me collect them

[muted holly]

send it in the velma server

[heavy mortar]

Apparently master and grandmaster are considered the same rank so I guess someone from plat could fight a gm for whatever reason

[boreal wharf]

Yes but that still doesn’t make sense why should I be punished for being a lower rank 💔

[heavy mortar]

Cause ranked isn’t a real ranked mode smh my head

They just added it cause people wanted it

[calm herald]

Sure thing

Can I just send it in the general chat or?

[muted holly]

i guess so

doesnt really matter where you post something, we dont really care

[muted holly]

Crossed the 3k rp mark today

[desert roost]

IS the mid seasons patch tomorrow?

[boreal wharf]

Garnet mains gotta be the kings of downplaying this character is not bad

[desert roost]

She's Like B+ or A

@boreal wharf

[calm herald]

I dont think so why do you ask?

[desert roost]

Oh idk. I'm just looking for buffs lol

[calm herald]

Real

[hallow fractal]

Is anyone else stuck on a black screen when trying to log in?

[boreal wharf]

Servers are down iirc

[calm herald]

Just the playstation ones

[unique pond]

garnet mains all agree shes good

[calm herald]

Whens our time to be good with the rest of the roster

[unique pond]

2 years ago

[boreal wharf]

Idk man I be seeing a lot of downplay

[boreal wharf]

lol

[unique pond]

Where? I see a lot of ppl complaining about bugs and inconsistencies but not downplay

[boreal wharf]

Just general chat I’ve seen people unironically say it’s balanced for her to be able to grab you off the map and kill you

[unique pond]

Grab as in star?

[boreal wharf]

Yes

Someone told me it was true off jab but I don’t know how true that is

[unique pond]

Star is very mid

[unique pond]

It is

[boreal wharf]

I just don’t think it should clip through corners of the map imo that’s my only problem with it tbh

[unique pond]

I’m not sure I understand

[placid idol]

Finn framedata : ✅

[calm herald]

I hate sword characters

[boreal wharf]

Referring to samurai jack?

[calm herald]

And Finn

[boreal wharf]

I don’t think anyone likes Finn tho

[calm herald]

Why does Arya feel like a genuine character compared to them

[boreal wharf]

Finn has every tool he needs and jack isn’t generally fun to play against because of how he’s played

[calm herald]

True

[muted holly]

the only jack i respect is skibidi

he genuinly knows his character

which is unexpected for a guy named skibidi

[calm herald]

Fr

[calm herald]

Me over here trying to come up with a new perk idea for Velma because Garnet got a new sig perk

[heavy mortar]

It’s official Velma chat is dead pfg has killed us off

[unique pond]

Garnets new perks so fun

[muted holly]

I think most have switched to the discord server tbh

[calm herald]

Thats fair enough tbh

[ivory hatch]

There's a discord server?

[calm herald]

Only 3 seasons in..

[heavy mortar]

Yea the game isn’t dead until the servers shut down imo

[calm herald]

New perk idea: clues collected by Velma will heal her ally for 5 hp and give Velma a 1 second cooldown reduction based on the current cooldown of any moves on cooldown

This will promote more clue collecting since clues dont spawn very quickly and will provide us more zoning options in 2s especially

Plus now we're a pseudo support

Cause Shaggy still has healing and so does Steven and a few other characters maybe so why cant we have that?

Besides the knowledge is power perk is already kinda niche since the grey hp isnt enough for a defensive type of perk

[muted holly]

Yea

[warm lily]

Holy hell they made it really hard to mash out of van

[muted holly]

its impossible from 40 and above unless a teammate stalls

[calm herald]

I just remembered Velma neutral dodge used to be a shield instead of a universal parry

[desert roost]

Correct. It did have a cooldown. However it was a projectile blocking blurb. Which idk why they took that out of her neutral ground dodge anyway. They literally just be taking the uniqueness out of her for no reason

[calm herald]

The more I watch beta content the more I just realize how much they've taken from us

[desert roost]

Like why can superman still cancel his moves but Velma can't?

If you didn't want people to cancel stuff then just take it all out.

But clearly they want the mechanic in the game

[calm herald]

Megaphone applied weakened and provided a target for the blurps, she could cancel put of dash grab for extra damage, blurps being faster and actually good at what they did, the old down tilt word bubble, etc.

Multiversus devs really hate Velma

[muted holly]

kinda sad to see there isnt even 20 people above diamond on velma in 1s

[ember horizon]

pretty sure gold is already top 100 velma

💀

[muted holly]

now wait until she (maybe) becomes meta

lets see how many meta hoppers move over

[calm herald]

I got deranked back down to gold 2 i'm upset again

I made it to plat for like a single dau

[heavy mortar]

Honestly when things aren’t going your way take a break

Go in ffa or unranked 2s and spam shaggy kick to blow off steam

[latent gyro]

I mean it makes sense why

the majority of people are meta chasers

[latent gyro]

Yeah I think they thought about the initial beta release where Velma was busted and decided they had to nerf her into main release. However, I guess they didn’t pay attention to the end of the beta where all the nerds she gained through out put her down massively by the end of the beta and despite that bugs still happens to remain top tier character. Like why?

Also I’m trying to find what change they made that made it extremely hard to mash out of van. Does anyone know?

[ember horizon]

i dont think they changed how hard it is to mash out

they just made van path faster to the blastzones

[latent gyro]

Ah ok

[dapper quest]

tbf you cant really blame people for not touching the worst character in the game untill they make her good

[boreal wharf]

Velma is not getting more meaningful buffs embrace Nubia

[muted holly]

nuh uh

i have been climbing with velma recently

#combos message highest damage combo we got but it is very situational and easily DI-able

[vernal vale]

make up special into up air true

[muted holly]

It is true on certain %s on neutral DI

[hallow fractal]

I just want to hit diamond. Plat 2 seems to be my stuck area.

Plus my rp gain/loss is kinda booty again.

I'm getting +12 and -16

[mellow quail]

like what

[mellow quail]

so there being zero way of escaping after you enter the car is fair?

[mellow quail]

both

[boreal wharf]

You can still mash out but it’s very hard but to answer your question yes

[desert sonnet]

Interesting

[calm herald]

Bruh why is he back to complain again about the van at this point your just coping

[latent gyro]

Yes because you simply chose to get hit by it. You can easily have the van run off the map and avoid getting hit by it. Like with any other move if you get hit by it you should be punished for it

[muted holly]

knocking it off the stage, making it drive of the stage, breaking it

[desert roost]

Only people who die to van are spammers and people who don't know the Velma MU. Which apparently a lot of people don't know the Velma MU because we are so few in here.

[muted holly]

90% of people havent fought 3 velma's what do you expect xd

[desert roost]

Lmao sucks for the opponent! 🤣

[hallow fractal]

Fun fact: velmas face is different on her total damage dealt badge. It looks wider. The hair also seems slightly lighter in color.

[calm herald]

I thought I was going crazy when I looked at them but I guess not

[hallow fractal]

Lol nope

[hallow fractal]

Omg I just loss in plat 2

1 rp

[hallow fractal]

Yay

I hit diamond

I'm out of plat hell

For now at least lol

[ivory hatch]

I love the Fast Thinker move on light character

Especially on Gizmo and Powerpuff Girls

I don't even try to use it on Iron Giant and Black Adam

[hallow fractal]

They ate with these rp changes

Plat 2 to diamond 4

[calm herald]

Im waiting too patiently for the midseason patch like I wanna know if we get anything good or not

[boreal wharf]

Make the switch to Nubia 🙏

[calm herald]

Nah

Im also starting to think that this game needs more defensive options

[boreal wharf]

Such as?

[calm herald]

Like idk blocking on the ground like other platform fighters has because it feels like when we try to use the best defense option they've given everyone (dodging) it feels lackluster and people can just mash to win situations and the teching is a joke since people can clearly tell now when an opponent is gonna tech and juggling in this game is rough to get out of with just dodging alone

[ivory hatch]

Does everyone have the same dodge distance or why does Morty feel so slippery to go against?

[muted holly]

there are different distances

morty has the highest i think

(he doesnt need it)

[hallow fractal]

Maybe some buffs

[desert roost]

Nubia looks soo much fun omg LOL

[hallow fractal]

Yes

I'm excited to play her

[mellow quail]

what other move is unescapeable and makes you die, defenseless?

[mellow quail]

how do you break it without getting caught in it if you do not have any projectiles?

[mellow quail]

you have to admit it is the most powerful move in the game though

[noble pulsar]

im ngl the only viable way of making it go away is walking it off stage

[desert roost]

Which is like the easiest thing to do.

[steady grove]

yup yet most folks cant seem to get that thru there head cause the van ain nun after that

[boreal wharf]

What character are you playing?

[boreal wharf]

How we feeling about the patch notes?

[desert sonnet]

Have to see how the other characters feel when the patch comes tomorrow.
Not much to say about Velma since she only received one change.

[boreal wharf]

Wonder if van got any ghost nerfs

[merry dawn]

or bug fixes

[calm herald]

Someone did say that maybe neutral special seems faster (that might've been Cam I cant remember 😭)

[merry dawn]

I did yea 😭

[desert roost]

I’m convinced that PFG doesn’t know how to balance without removing uniqueness from characters. Which is quite sad.

[boreal wharf]

That’s been the case for pretty much every character

[desert roost]

That’s what I’m saying. Like the ability to do FF’s from like up airs. I feel like should be a universal thing? What is the algorithm to determine what moves should and shouldn’t be able to have the ability to fast fall.

[boreal wharf]

The beta ruined any chance of good balancing everyone lost their combo routes and things that made the game fun

They are scared to do anything somewhat creative in this game

I do think every character should be able to combo off of jab and even down air excluding mages ngl but they can’t seem to find a balance so they added auto tech which still doesn’t prevent the problem 🔥

[ivory hatch]

What is the Velma Discord?

[muted holly]

dm me

[placid idol]

So, how is this patch? Has it changed things the good way?

[muted holly]

velma didnt change at all

nubia is beyond broken

[placid idol]

really? Wow so they really don't give a sh*t. Well, I guess I'll keep not playing then 🙃

(Reading the patch note they seem to have changed many things on many characters though)

[muted holly]

dodges are now terrible

which results in absolute camping

[dry fulcrum]

they shadow nerfed us again

[hallow fractal]

How?

[dry fulcrum]

van got gutted

[hallow fractal]

Noooooooo

They need to put daphne back behind the wheel

[placid idol]

I played a bit, it took forever to find a game, still playing people that are way above my level, Velma feel unpleasant, weak and not fun... How are you guys still here, this game doesn't deserve your time

[muted holly]

At some point there has to be a good patch...

[placid idol]

Honestly even if they were releasing a good patch at some point, I wouldn't trust them to not f.ck it up two weeks later and ruin everything

[unique pond]

velma mains eating good this patch

[calm herald]

[muted holly]

[desert roost]

Where?!

[calm herald]

Must be a shadow buff/j

[unique pond]

I was kidding 😔

[placid idol]

Have any of you tried Rival of Aether 2? If you like MVS you may enjoy this game (feel a lot more polish too even though only the free demo is playable for now)

[latent gyro]

Yeah rivals 2 ways better

[hallow fractal]

Does she feel slower to yall?

[calm herald]

A little bit

[glad urchin]

got velma into masters up b is goated

[dry fulcrum]

camera is a really good finisher. its main problem is that it's hitbox is really narrow

[muted holly]

and it takes too long to come out

[calm herald]

I wish we could combo into it consistently

From down special (on CD) into up air special would make Velmas killing easier

[muted holly]

better framedata would do wonders

[unique pond]

Why do you have to commit so hard with velma

[sterile flame]

Hallo I'm new! I wanna ask if there's a new combo routes for Velma in this patch? I tried doing: jab jab+ down special + (jump) + down special + camera + light bulb but it doesn't seem to connect sometimes

[ember horizon]

down special has two versions

one that throws the projectile, and one that doesnt

that'll affect the route you can take, since they have different knockback

also nothing really combos into camera

[merry dawn]

down special into camera is true, but only at certain percents and certain di

[sterile flame]

Oh I see, shall I just side air special as an alternative?

Also does jab jab + down special + dodge + jab jab still work? I tried doing it in training mode but can't seem to do it. I can't find any new Velma guide updates 😭

[desert roost]

What percent are you doing these at

[merry dawn]

yea you could do that or follow up with a 3rd book into an iad upair

[sterile flame]

Between 0 -70

[merry dawn]

most of velmas combos are situational in the sense that percent, character weight, di, what resources you have will play a factor in changing your combos

if that makes sense

[merry dawn]

forgot to mention you can use megaphone or sair(sometimes) as other follow-ups

[sterile flame]

Oh okay! I fear using the megaphone cause sometimes it won't knockback

[desert roost]

Jab jab down special - sair
Or up air are true combos. You sometimes have to air dodge attack to get them(depending on DI) . But they are true

Book is going to lead into a lot of your mixups and for catching peoples (side air special) recovery and then using CD book to punish them

You’ll also be comboing off your blurbs as well. Higher percents(100 and up) if you land your blurb you can usually get a up air or up special if you time it right @sterile flame

[merry dawn]

so it’s not just me who’s megaphone doesn’t knock back

velma has so many glitches 😭

[desert roost]

Megaphone has two hit boxes for some reason. But yes, if you hit the first one it doesn’t knock back

[merry dawn]

nah Ik that but it actually doesn’t knock back when you use it sometimes

it does it when uncharged and fully charged

[sterile flame]

I'm sorry what's does blurb mean?

Trying to familiar whats di and etc

[desert roost]

Blurbs are neutral special = “Hey” and then the word bubbles after

Directional Influence = DI

[sterile flame]

Oh I see!! Ty!

[desert roost]

You’re welcome!!

[median heron]

why is this character a character about doing reads? it's awful

[muted holly]

the fact she is about reads isnt the awful part, its the fact that we rely on reads but get punished alot of times for even trying to do one

[median heron]

it is because jab 2 > down-special is a super obvious combo-route and it makes u burn a cooldown. like, for everything she does, the opponent can just DI-out

[muted holly]

off cooldown book really isnt good

try to get rid of it in a valuable way asap

then go for combo routes out of the cooldown version

[desert roost]

@rose abyss GGs! ❤️

[sterile flame]

Man why is Velma so very punishable

[median heron]

devs hate her

[sterile flame]

It's frustrating that the camera or lightbub won't kill 100 percents

Like my god I keep losing

[unkempt aurora]

her frame data is the worst in multiverses, im convinced of this and until they change it this character will always be garbage

[median heron]

how we feeling about the shielding nechanic?

[wooden jolt]

Hmmmm meh

Prob fked vlema alot

[muted holly]

i dont want it in this game

should have been here from the start to make it funciton properly

[wooden jolt]

Its gonna fked mage by alot

Looking at you bugs

Bugs bunny rocket and safe spam

[median heron]

Bugs Bunny can tunnel safe to make it constantly active for 7 seconds. it's a heavy projectile so it'll shield break fast and is still amazing for off-stage guarding.

what I'm hoping they'll do with Velma is make grounded down-attack connect after jab 2, but push away instead of in

[sterile flame]

Hallo I wanna ask What certain moves of Velma that can kill Jerry? I tried using down neutral and it didn't kill somehow

[ember horizon]

depends if ur using 5% or not

if ur not, any charged move will kill jerry

so charged down tilt, charged flashlight, charged down air

any variant of megaphone (no charge, medium charge, full charge) will also kill jery

if you put on 5%, then you can also use uncharged flashlight and camera to kill jerry

[steady grove]

how good is 5% on any character?

[ember horizon]

wdym

like if you were to equip 5% on every character? or to equip 5% on velma against every character

[wide carbon]

would shield make velma’s side special finally usable in 1s?

[ember horizon]

the grounded one? not really

it has reactable startup

and you can dodge/jump out of shield

[wide carbon]

yeah i guess so

i wonder if they’ll ever rework velma

[ember horizon]

i dont think she needs a rework, she just needs some better frame data

[wide carbon]

you think her ice potion is viable?

[ember horizon]

no, but when i hear rework i think like entire kit

[wide carbon]

oh

i mean like they haven’t done something like that yet

when they do reworks it’s multiple moves and that’s it

[ember horizon]

yeah im used to other games, reworks arent rlly as big in this game

[wide carbon]

yeah but you’re right it’s not really a rework lol

[sterile flame]

I really miss when you use megaphone it will apply her blurp immediately

Megaphone is already worse they could've just keep that

[desert roost]

I mean stripe literally gets to park with every move lol. Soooo

Idk why we don’t get that.

Also ground side special you could cancel it if someone was in your hands..now it’s like. You just take them all the way lol

[merry dawn]

I completely forgot stripe applied targeted with every melee attack

damn the double standards for certain characters are insane

[desert roost]

It's really dumb, because well...his auto attacks are extremely disjointed.

[merry dawn]

so stupid how a move that hits instantly across the map can be applied with every move yet they remove one of her only ways to get targeting on someone

[sterile flame]

I'm gonna cry the enemy is 171 percent and still won't kill with the camera wth

[wooden jolt]

yep velma really need weaken

[calm herald]

Give us weaken camera back

[boreal wharf]

They give weaken to everyone who doesn’t need it

[hallow fractal]

So far I like the shields

[boreal wharf]

Are they in the game rn? Sadly can’t play rn

[hallow fractal]

Yes

[boreal wharf]

Did they change the movement saw there were short hops also

[hallow fractal]

Not sure I only played a few matches

[muted holly]

they are and they are absolutely terrible

[merry dawn]

aren’t they only in a certain queue tho?

[muted holly]

in testing grounds yea