Velma

[calm herald]

Yeah I REALLY hate it here now

[muted holly]

i quit ranked until the next balance patch because of all the bs

[calm herald]

Same

I only go in ranked for 2s now

[muted holly]

i cant keep a decent winrate when i lose due to some bs that i couldnt avoid from happening

[muted holly]

i would do that but i dont have a good teammate

[calm herald]

Yeah I dont have anyone to plah with too so i'm stuck with randoms

[misty dew]

stuff like this gets me the worst

I don't play nearly as much as I used to because I don't even have fun in the wins lol

it's just like "wow that much outplaying was kinda tiring ."

[muted holly]

yea same

havent played for like a week before yesterday

hoping they fix their game or i will probably take a longer break then that

[desert roost]

No, that part! Lol. It's like is it actually worth playing out of my mind to lose off my advantage state that I can't capitlize on due to Velma's poor frame data. 🤣

[heavy mortar]

Did you guys know Velma can turn enemy evidence into her own with flashlight

[muted holly]

i dont think it actually turns into it

sounds more like it registers as hitting an enemy so it has a chance to drop evidence

[muted holly]

gamebreaking bug alert

if you only hit the very end of a horizontally aimed aerial megaphone you either crash, lag the entire match or the move gets disabled for the rest of the match

only seems to be happening in ranked tho

[cursive tendon]

W mvs

[tidal onyx]

Am I the only one who hates fighting beetle juice lol

[muted holly]

He's not that bad compared to some other characters

Like I feel like the matchup is even

He is just unpredictable

But like, reactable if you get what I mean

[desert roost]

Flashlight cannot be any sort of disjoint. I'm literally hitting someone from the back and overlapping into their moves when they are facing the opposite direciton.

[muted holly]

sounds like you fought against jack

[calm herald]

Ive had that happen to me with Agent Smitch, IG, and Reindog surprisingly

Harley as well but I hate her inaccurate hitboxes so

[muted holly]

i want velma out of the bottom 1 spot when season 3 releases or ima start opressing birds or smt

im tired of not having any defence

[atomic otter]

😭😭

My teammate conceded

[muted holly]

was that you???

[atomic otter]

Stripe

[muted holly]

ahh

ggs man

[atomic otter]

Ggs

[muted holly]

your teammate got bullied

[atomic otter]

😭

[heavy mortar]

The way I’ll do like a five minute combo w Velma that gets 15% but Harley gets all that with a single move

It’s not just Harley though lol

[muted holly]

the worst thing about that is, we need to hard read DI and dodge for that combo to work

[heavy mortar]

Mess up one thing and you’re done for

Just gonna hear Velma scream “my glasses”

[muted holly]

Exactly

I hope they won't give us nonsense buffs again that won't do anything

We need framedata not a different angle on projectiles

[calm herald]

Revert down special back to the og knockback PLEASE

I miss the old jab loop with it

[heavy mortar]

That’s probably why they got rid of it

And if she does get buffs next season hopefully she won’t also get nerfed

[muted holly]

cant really call it a loop

especially when you could only do it once per 70s

[desert roost]

Lmao the fact that I am getting punished for landing my moves is insane. Like Velma legit gets punished for landing her down air because they decided to add extra end lag to it. I'm like oh yeah it's my time to do my advantage state...sike! 🙄

[heavy mortar]

She gets punished for everything

[fading path]

make it make sense...

[desert roost]

I can't. The devs can't be looking at the same game we are.

[sour linden]

Someone at PFG hates Velma lol

They have MVS Beta PTSD

[desert roost]

Oh absolutely.

[sour linden]

So she can never be good again

[desert roost]

But she hasn't been good this the game has been released for everyone to play. So like this propaganda of "Velma is such an oppressive zoner is bogus". I could name literally the rest of the mages in this game and non mages and she would lose the zoning war. Lol Tom and Jerry is oppressive. 🙂

[unique pond]

no fr

i saw someone say shes pretty good and couldnt back it up

[desert roost]

She definintely is not.

Far below average frame data, terrible range on moves, no combos, lack luster kill power, over committal kill confirms(due to terrible startup on moves). Projectiles don't kill people even at 160, they have to be hit consecutive times and you have to be a legit bot to get hit by them.

@unique pond I could go on. Lol

[unique pond]

I know u could which is why she needs buffs

only lost to velma twice

first time cuz i had no idea how to play against her

second time because my game lagged out for the first time in 2 months and it made me walk off the map (happened today)

[calm herald]

Ive given up on this game for now until they actually properly give Velma the buffs she ACTUALLY needs like where's the communication, where's the proof of being an oppressive zoner and WHY do you guys continue to make her worse?? Like it's so dumb how these devs fail to buff a single character who's sucked since the full release and how many months has it been and how many patches has it been?? A lot and i'm sick of hoping now that Velma will ever get anything that we ask for because PFG just doesn't know how to balance her so THANKS A BUNCH PFG

[unique pond]

[calm herald]

Sorry just had to rant a bit

[unique pond]

Justifiable it is Velma

[vague crystal]

Velma is actually in a good state right now could she use another buff? Sure but the only characters that I notice the struggle with is samurai jack and Finn

[vague crystal]

Velma has zero range to try to get in on jack and half the ppl playing ranked right now has a jack every other game 🙄

[muted holly]

first of all, velma is not in a good state at all. we basically have a zoner that cant zone properly atm, and she doesnt have good melee options to make up for that + we have similar framedata to iron giant which is the stupidest thing ive ever seen.
second thing, jack is fine where he is, maybe trade of his disjoint jab hitbox for a buff on something else but thats all he needs honestly. finn is not struggling at all tho, he is still an easy high A tier if not low S tier

[heavy mortar]

I think they literally just nerf anyone they buff cause why would they say stuff like “big Velma buffs” and just nerf her aswell

[cursive tendon]

Rip Velma 🪦

[heavy mortar]

Apparently they did the same to Jake

[muted holly]

jake wasnt nerfed nearly as much as velma tho

[heavy mortar]

They just hate her then

[muted holly]

well as if that wasnt obvious already...

[heavy mortar]

I think they really just don’t want to overbuff her like a bunch of people want old megaphone but if they add it the community is gonna bawl and call her broken

They should atleast make megaphone put target on someone again

[muted holly]

even that is not really necessary

we just need to not be as slow as jason and iron giant

and maybe get a little bit of a mark duration increase

[heavy mortar]

Yea for sure

And is Velma really considered A tier

I’ve heard people say that but I don’t really see it

[muted holly]

only by beginners because they havent figured out how the game works yet

she is bottom 2 at least; considerably bottom 1

[leaden shell]

She’s not great but she’s nowhere close to bottom 2

[muted holly]

explain yourself there

[leaden shell]

I think she was already creeping out of bottom one and last patch gave her what she was lacking. Her kit isn’t strong but it’s diverse and gives her a lot of unique options

And I think no matter what you’re still gonna say she’s bad because everyone who plays any game ever says the character they main is the worst bc that’s just the way it works tbh. There’s samurai jack players that say he’s bottom 1. Bugs players that say he’s bottom 1. T&J players that say they’re bottom 1. Everyone says that about their own mains

But Velma used to be

But she’s not that bad anymore

[muted holly]

we have litteraly nothing that makes this character good or even decent tbh

we have barely any combos, no kill power, no good close up options, too much startup and endlag on almost every move, our projectiles dont connect on decent players

[leaden shell]

I think she’s better than banana guard, Jake, shaggy, and maybe Rick.

[muted holly]

BETTER THEN SHAGGY???????????

[leaden shell]

Shaggy ain’t that good

[muted holly]

shaggy is considered top 3 by a lot of top tier players

[leaden shell]

His moves are strong but you always know what he’s gonna throw out? Most of his moves hit the same

[leaden shell]

Which ones pls

Bc that’s an odd claim to me

He’s very much a low skill floor and medium skill ceiling character

[muted holly]

jenette, who plays the character herselfs even says he is broken

[desert roost]

Who?

[muted holly]

velma

[desert roost]

Yeah, Dittae you are tripping. Like full blown falling down steps.

[muted holly]

banana guard i could agree on but the rest is nonsense to me

[leaden shell]

Idk

Jake?

[desert roost]

Shaggys low startup and low endlag alone already outclass Velma.

[muted holly]

jake atleast has cheese

[leaden shell]

Ok? But all his moves hit the same you know how to dodge him almost every time.

[desert roost]

It doesn't matter if they hit the same if they connect consistently.

[leaden shell]

Yea but every masters velma I’ve seen has connected hits pretty easily

[muted holly]

connecting hits =/= winning or succeeding

[desert roost]

Connecting hits isn't the same as leading into a true kill option.

[muted holly]

shaggy can kill in 60 if he gets a good sair down

[desert roost]

I can connect hits with blurbs all day. It doesn't matter if the move never kills or kills at 200. When shaggy can kill Velma sub 200.

[leaden shell]

Ok I was just responding to the message about connecting hits I wasn’t saying that was the most important thing ever????

[dapper quest]

velma friendly fire

[desert roost]

Because to sit here and say Velma is better than Shaggy is ridiculous.

[muted holly]

anyways, tournament results can back up shaggys success

[desert roost]

^

[leaden shell]

I’m just saying her kit is diverse enough that it plays to her advantage. She has like 14 completely unique options to throw out which gives her an advantage over some characters

[desert roost]

There's also numbers! Stats that prove shaggy is better

[leaden shell]

She’s not good but she’s not bottom 2

[desert roost]

She's not better than shaggy...and that's the whole debate we were having.

[leaden shell]

Ah yes, numbers! stats! My favorite vague stats

[muted holly]

we have megaphone twice, bubbles twice, megaphone twice, and we kinda miss an entire move in our kit with uspecial

[desert roost]

I mean that's generally how you judge a character is that not how that works? That's how you determine the performance of a character.

[leaden shell]

Yeah but you can’t just say “there’s stats” and then not say what they are

[desert roost]

Why do I have to provide those to you...when you can look them up yourself.

[leaden shell]

LMAO WHAT

[desert roost]

Don't be lazy. 🙄

[leaden shell]

what stats am I supposed to google bro

[desert roost]

Play Rate, Win Rate, etc.

[leaden shell]

Because Velma’s win rate is higher and that’s a stat

Or at least it was when I was playing this silly ahh game

[desert roost]

Yes...because no one plays her. If only a handful of people play a character versus 1,000 people playing shaggy. Obviously it will be off.

[leaden shell]

Ok but you just listed winrate as a stat I should look up to prove your point

You’re so confusing

[desert roost]

Yes and play rate.

[leaden shell]

Stats work together to tell a story but that story doesn’t always men hugher = better I know

[desert roost]

But those aren't just the only things...those are just two that I named there are more. Tourney wins , tourney pick rate, what characters are in top 10 top 20 etc.

[leaden shell]

Ok what are the more

You’re very much avoiding what the supposed stats you mentioned are

For like an unreasonable amount of time if you knew what they were

[muted holly]

go look at some tourneys results, thats the source of reliable information you need

[desert roost]

^

Thank you...it's like why do I need to provide to you all the information...and in the end it wouldn't change your mind.

[leaden shell]

Ok

[desert roost]

Because you will believe whatever it is you want.

[leaden shell]

????? If you bring up having some knowledge it’s common sense that you should say what it is it takes 2 seconds to type it

Didn’t have to dance around it for 8 mins

[leaden shell]

Ur assuming it don’t change my mind ok

[desert roost]

It was in response to your very vague. Velma is better than shaggy because...you know what moves he is going to do.

[leaden shell]

I feel like my point still has some value

[muted holly]

very little value

[leaden shell]

Rude

[muted holly]

maybe if you take that to lower ranks it will be more of a factor

[leaden shell]

Im just saying when someone’s only got 1 type of move they’re predictable which goes a long way for characters that need reads

All of his moves are close hitbox in front of him

[muted holly]

but when these "predictable moves" have practically no startup then you're basically trying to fight the future

[desert roost]

But he has more than one type of move...what one move are you referring to.

The sad part is Velma can read shaggies move and still end up not being able to get the punish due to how terrible her startup is and his low end lag.

[muted holly]

its just hard guessing what he will do

[leaden shell]

Yeah and like I said it’s easy to read when they all hit the same

[muted holly]

but, they dont all hit the same

[leaden shell]

Not one move? One type of move, which I just said, close hitbox in front of him

[muted holly]

afaik, uspecial doesnt hit close infront of him

and rage nspecial certainly doesnt either

[desert roost]

You didn't address the rest of my message?

[leaden shell]

I’m like 90% sure that does

[leaden shell]

Idk what to tell you besides that I disagree

[muted holly]

UP special hits UPwards

[leaden shell]

Yeah Velma has to work harder for it

[muted holly]

welp im not even gonna try to convince him anymore, he will figure it out when he gets wooped by a shaggy

[leaden shell]

Well obviously but it hits just as much in front and he’s only using it to hit you above him if ur above him in which. Are you know exactly what he’s gonna throw out

Up special

Or up air

[desert roost]

Yeah, I can't continue this conversation. They talk about the character having predictable moves...but I reference Velma having terrible start up to punish the move even when reading the Shaggy. And your response is. Well Velma has to work harder. Well duh. Which means she's worse than Shaggy.

[leaden shell]

I’m saying yeah she has flaws but if you diversify what moves you use they can’t see them coming as easily and it gives you an inherent advantage there

[desert roost]

[muted holly]

it is quite easy to predict a velma tho

[leaden shell]

Listen ok I know shaggy may be better than her I said ok to that like a while ago at this point I’m just saying my pov still has some value tho

[leaden shell]

I disagree I think that’s quite literally the only reason she has a high winrate

[desert roost]

I didn't see you say that. I saw you state everything about how she was better. So, my apologies if you did state that.

[leaden shell]

🕺

[muted holly]

nahh thats just because of people not knowing the matchup due to her insanely low playrate and only dedicated velma players who actually know the character playing her

[desert roost]

^

[leaden shell]

Ok

[muted holly]

but again, i refer you to tourney stats where her winrate is less then 40%

[desert roost]

Velma's have spent a long time since the open out of beta using their brain to play the game.

[leaden shell]

But all I’ll say is she’s not the worst. Maybe I was wrong about shaggy but I said 4 other guys

And I still think she’s better than them

And no matter how good she gets yall still gonna say bottom 1

[muted holly]

thats straight up untrue

[leaden shell]

Tourney win rates are way more staggered and there’s quite a few other characters with similar win rates to Velma

[desert roost]

That's not true at all.

[muted holly]

characters like jake and banana? maybe thats because they are also bottom tier

[desert roost]

^

[leaden shell]

Every set of buffs yall say this is the best buff every she’s good now and then 2 days later it’s “she’s terrible how did devs think these buffs would mean anything” ive seen it like 5 times now

[muted holly]

oh i said since midseason released that those buffs were terrible

[desert roost]

This last patch was not the best by far.

[leaden shell]

I came in here and said man these buffs aren’t good are they and you and like 3 other people literally went no we have a 02d now we have combos and can kill early!!!!

Idk what ur tryna gaslight me for

[muted holly]

i was the only one that said that that 0td was DI-able and damage dependant

and i was actively complaining about our combos being gone

idk what you are making up

[leaden shell]

Gaslighting is crazy

Also what combos did we lose??

[desert roost]

I feel as though looking at things on paper vs actual gameplay are different. We saw buffs and were like. Yes! These should definitely help Velma. But when you get into the game...they don't function correctly.

EX: Book (air side special) is supposed to knock enemies into Velma so that she can combo off of them. That book is no combo tool at all. She literally is stuck in the book animation or they are launched too far to punish. Either way. It doesn't work how it was intended.

Like they sound like good changes and then you get into the game and you like...wait a minute. This is some bologna!

[muted holly]

jab1>2 > book > jab1>2 > utilt (true)
dair > dodge read dash attack > book > dj sair (true on low %s, DI-able on higher %s)
book > dtilt > jab > ... (when book hit correctly)
and a lot of consistency is gone on bubble > air uspecial

[leaden shell]

How did we lose the first one is book not the same knockback as it was when it’s off cd

Also isn’t a combo inherently not true if it requires a dodge read

[muted holly]

nope, before midseason it had very little if not 0 kb, now it knock back quite a bit at an angle upwards

ehh its the best we had at the time

the dodge read itself was very consistent tho

also we lost sair > dtilt > jab1>2 > utilt on 0-10% due to teching

[leaden shell]

Ok I guess that’s fair

[desert roost]

Sorry, I'm not trying to beat a dead horse but this is just for reference.

Shaggy Top 100 Tier: Masters 5
Velma Top 100 Tier: Plat 2
Banna Guard Top 100 Tier: Diamond 5
Jake Top 100 Tier: Plat 1
Samurai Jack Top 100 Tier: Masters 3

[leaden shell]

I get what you’re saying but that’s definitely also a measurement of pick rates

I could pick up Reindog today and be top 100 by the end of the week

Probably sooner

[desert roost]

^

Exactly!

And then that ties into Play Rate fluctuates win rates

[leaden shell]

Yeah?

I know?

[desert roost]

I was just agreeing. More of like a yes, yes!

[leaden shell]

Ok!

[restive umbra]

velma mains how we feeling

[muted holly]

we need s3 patch to be good

or i will start opressing birds

[dapper quest]

sounds ominous

dont want to figure out what that means

[restive umbra]

damn ok im quite enjoying her atm

i dont think she's quite as bad as everyone makes her out to be

[muted holly]

😈

[dapper quest]

😨

[muted holly]

on lower ranks she works fine, people dont know the matchup or how to deal with zoners that well. on higher ranks people start exploiting her weaknesses badly and you cant do a lot to prevent it

[restive umbra]

nah she's fine

i am on higher teirs and im having a ball

[muted holly]

Wait until you fight a good Finn Adam or superman and you will not be having any fun

[vague crystal]

I was talking about fighting against

[vague crystal]

As a Velma I can easily clean up majority of the roster Finn and jack are not easy to fight and it’s because Finn is slippery and jack has so much range

[muted holly]

Looked like you were talking about fighting with her, little bit of 1 confusing message

[muted holly]

Anything that's small or has strong anti projectile moves is a problem to deal with

[vague crystal]

Honesty anyone struggling to win with Velma atm it’s a skill issue because she’s def in a better spot to be able to deal with the bs from most other character like I said I would love more Velma buffs

[dapper quest]

i mean shes a character

shes just outclassed though

like you cant really compare her to any ''good'' character like finn,taz,stripe and whatever, she definetly works though

[muted holly]

You're doomed to lose every close range interaction that's the main problem currently especially when you can't zone properly due to poor framedata

[vague crystal]

Maybe more range on flashlight then? Or make the megaphone like it used to be instead of a charge time

[dapper quest]

old megaphone would be peak for velma

[muted holly]

Less startup and endlag among all moves is the first step

[muted holly]

If after this she still struggles, increase jab hitbox and uncharged megaphone range

[dapper quest]

megaphone rework was actually so heartbreaking for me when i saw what they changed it to lmao

it was so fun to use

velma was just kinda peak overall in beta

[muted holly]

Old megaphone would be gamebreaking with this speed

[dapper quest]

nah i mean not really tbh maybe if they just gave it more whifflag

[muted holly]

Infinite range with this speed is asking for complaints

[dapper quest]

or maybe im forgeting something about old megaphone i cant you just time it and dodge though

like any projectile ever

[muted holly]

I'm wondering what nonsense pfg will throw at us next tbh

[vague crystal]

Old megaphone with less range would be fine

I’d take that

[muted holly]

Then it would be too weak

[vague crystal]

It would come out faster tho

[muted holly]

Atleast if you mean some range similar to what we have currently

[dapper quest]

they should atleast give its 2v2 functionality back

[vague crystal]

More importantly does anyone like her down special? I know you can combo with it but I only use it on occasion

[muted holly]

I would love it if it had less knockback but extra same move lockout frames to compensate

Like rn if you do jab1>2 > book, everything out of that is DI-able

Except for sair below 15%

#clips message also I want an explanation for this

[vague crystal]

I don’t know anything about Jason but does he have a passive where he just respawns or something without it costing a life?

Iv seen it happen it matches sometimes

[muted holly]

He didn't use that one and even if he did, he was on his second stock so it wouldn't work

[vague crystal]

Weird prob another one to add to the pile of strange Velma interactions im just glad I don’t get stuck in people anymore

[dapper quest]

yeah resurectionist he plays for like 10 seconds than rings himself out for the first time you ring him out

[muted holly]

I already submitted a bug report for it

[dapper quest]

or its just a bug?

sounds like just the resurectionist perk to me tbh

[muted holly]

Not sure but I reported it anyways

[muted holly]

He didn't use it and he was on his second stock anyways so it shouldn't even be triggering then

[dapper quest]

yeah fair

[muted holly]

Hopefully my bug reports keep getting looked at

À lot of my bug report spam made it in on mid-season patch so I have hope

[dapper quest]

bro gave us no best of 3 ranked by himself fr

the goat

[muted holly]

Wait wut

What did I do?

[vague crystal]

U didn’t say jinkies

[muted holly]

That's only for special occasions

[heavy mortar]

Bro it’s so annoying when that happens

Like I’ll use mystery van and think they died and then I just see whoever pop back up and it feels like people know about it cause then when they come back they just start doing a combo immediately I’ve literally died cause of that bug

[desert roost]

I'm not sure if this happens to anyone else, but I can damage my own mystery machine.

[merry dawn]

yep happens to me

your teammate can damage it too

[desert roost]

What a trajecdy LOL

Hopefully they fix the properties of the myster machine

[merry dawn]

fr it's like every patch there's another glitch with mystery machine

[hallow fractal]

It's been like that

It's trash af

They need to remove that

[calm herald]

It was so much better in beta

[leaden shell]

EXACTLY!

[muted holly]

i made a bug report for that already, its being investigated

[desert roost]

Sweet.

[fading path]

my teammate destroy my van last night? kinda weird anyone and everyone can beat it up

[desert roost]

Some interesting properties with Velma's abilities that's for sure.

[desert roost]

Is there supposed to be a patch today? @muted holly

[muted holly]

nah that was just server maintenance and it happened already

[muted holly]

#clips message i actually cant anymore with this game

how does that even happen

[desert roost]

Nubia and PowerPuff Girls new characters. New SECONDARIES

[muted holly]

raven also got teased in there

[desert roost]

WHat

I missed it

[muted holly]

its just very vague

[desert roost]

What time frame

[muted holly]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MultiVersus/s/VZ65GzbCPi

there is a clearer picture in #clips

[misty dew]

that new velma costume shown in the trailer is cuteee

BUT if she ain't getting real buffs next season I will be a ppg main with pocket Velma 💯

[desert roost]

Very cute!

[boreal wharf]

Yeah imma get back into the game when PPG is added

[cursive tendon]

The Power puff girls are coming

[desert roost]

I'll definitely be playing Nubia and PPG. I hope they buff Velma so I don't have to drop her 🤷

[cursive tendon]

W

Mvs is back baby!

[muted holly]

if the rest of the update is good that is

[desert roost]

Oh idc. If they don't buff her, I'm just doing to drop her.

Tired. Lol.

[muted holly]

😔

[boreal wharf]

Her projectiles are still oppressive nerf incoming!!!

[desert roost]

There are other characters that I actually want to play being introdcued!

[muted holly]

i was talking in general tho... like passive play is still rewarded too much, teching is very poorly implemented, game is still fileld to the brim with bugs

[boreal wharf]

Yeah I might have to pick up Nubia

[muted holly]

and ofcourse ranked is absolutely dogsh.t currently

[boreal wharf]

Will not be fixed dw

[desert roost]

Ohhh. Yeah

[muted holly]

😔

[misty dew]

that's probably my biggest issue with this game as a whole, like its just so un-interactive

literally nobody approaches doesn't matter who they're playing, doesn't matter that they'd probably do better by just pressing buttons until I die lmao. yawn .

[cursive tendon]

Wait???

[muted holly]

still, its not as bad as brawlhalla in terms of passive play

[cursive tendon]

Did they change microphone again

[muted holly]

hm?

megaphone you mean?

[cursive tendon]

Yeah

😆

[muted holly]

nothing changed i think

[cursive tendon]

My bad I got excited

It seems like they brought back the megaphone jab combo but…

Idk, we’re have to wait in see

I can’t really tell

[muted holly]

oh in the video?

[heavy mortar]

The new Velma skin looks so good

[cursive tendon]

Yeah, the video for season 3

[vague crystal]

Why would they waste on slot on nubia instead of just skinning her over Wonder Woman with new voice lines

[desert roost]

Because she's not WW. They are seperate people.

Now I do see what you're saying...I don't see all 3 PPG's being their own fighters...maybe a stance fighter. But they also may be their own individual fighters which would also be cool. However, canonically I'm pretty sure they all can do the same things or at least in the episode where they mimicked each others powers to a T. They could perform each others abilities if they wanted to.

Where's WW uses lasso, shield, sword, and bracelets. Nubia uses a staff or spear like thing that can turn into a lasso

(From what I know)

[vague crystal]

They were trying to give the Ppg uniqueness but yes they can all virtually do the same thing, nubia and the spear thing is a rather recent development but most of the Wonder Woman’s all basically fight the same im not sure what type of lasso she has now tho

[desert roost]

But they fought together at some point in time so I guess they're like. They are comrades...also there's a political lining I would think of putting a white woman and having a black woman variant. Just doesn't sit right...racially.

I mean they removed a cop car for arresting lebron james 🤣

[vague crystal]

Idk Nubia just doesn’t have enough uniqueness or spotlight to her to really justify a whole slot especially over other dc characters at this point if they want representation I’d rather John Stewart green lantern or Vixen

[desert roost]

I hear ya. Maybe Nubia is more relevant than Vixen so that's why they chose her. They didn't go with males since the last like 6 characters have been male. Which I am glad we are finally getting more women on the roster. PPG, Nubia, and Raven tease.

[vague crystal]

It’s about time for raven

[desert roost]

I'm really here for the Raven and PPG tbh. I was crossingf my finger and toes for The Wicked Witch of the West. But hey, these will hold me for now.

[heavy mortar]

Apparently powerpuff girls function like Pokémon trainer in smash

It would’ve been cool to see all 3 of them on stage though

[desert roost]

Yeah, I figured that’s how they would function. Sadly 😦

[calm herald]

Here's to season 3 Velma being worse than now

[desert roost]

YEAHHHH!

@muted holly I ran into the same problem hitting Finn where my flashlight apprently ran out of batteries. CRAZY

[calm herald]

I already hate fighting Finn enough as is what the heck

[muted holly]

buff flashlight battery lifetime

[muted holly]

we would've had a good combo if teching didnt exist i just found out

[calm herald]

What was it?

[muted holly]

sair > dodge cancel dtilt (currently techable) > jab1>2 > utilt (> possibly air sspecial dodge read out of it)

on 0 it works but as low as 5% is too much and it will trigger teching

[calm herald]

I hate it here

[hallow fractal]

I'm so excited

About the new characters

[muted holly]

its funny how badly we get countered by a character just by their size alone

its like impossible to get a small character marked

[boreal wharf]

Simply go to the roster and pick a viable non-oppressive zoner according to PFG

[muted holly]

someone needs to push velma's metagame

[calm herald]

I sure can't

[boreal wharf]

You got this man

[muted holly]

not with that attitude

[calm herald]

I'm still stuck in gold over here lmao 😭

I've also been kinda on a break from this game because of how they've been treating Velma

[muted holly]

ngl you can blame the rp system for that

or just ranked system in general

[calm herald]

I wish they would listen to us sometimes but gonna be honest they just want our money for costumes and stuff

[muted holly]

thats wb for you

also i just checked the fighter select after a while

apparently my velma is lvl 24 already...

[calm herald]

Mine is around lvl 14-15

[muted holly]

i need to touch grass then i suppose

[cursive tendon]

Level 30

[calm herald]

Nah your just dedicated to your character is all

No shame really

[muted holly]

#clips message

this should not be working but i dont want it gone now

[cursive tendon]

She needs it

If they get trapped in the mystery machine it’s their fault

[boreal wharf]

Fr just simply jump

[desert roost]

Oh that’s like always been a thing. I do it all the time. It does require a hard read though. Stage knock into free down air. Is chef’s kiss.

[calm herald]

Sooo I may come back just so I can save up for the powerpuff girls

Cause they actually look fun and it gives me another character to actually play

[muted holly]

im sure we'll get something decent

or they take away all the cheese that i am abusing

[desert roost]

Right behind you. My Velma is lvl 28. 🤣

[muted holly]

OK I take everything back I do not need to touch grass

[desert roost]

Bwhahah

I might need to touch grass 🤣

[cursive tendon]

^

[muted holly]

Also I won't be able to tinker around with changes that might happen on s3 release since highschool starts right before that so I won't have nearly as much time as I have now

[desert roost]

S3 release tomorrow, right?

[muted holly]

Someone has to take over that job

Tuesday

Thursday

Idk me English isn't englishing

[desert roost]

Ugh...I gotta wait that long. 😭

[muted holly]

Whatever comes after mondat

[desert roost]

Technically they both do 😉

LOL. But probably Tuesday

[muted holly]

The one that comes after Monday

I feel so incredibly stupid rn

[boreal wharf]

26 for me

[desert roost]

Megaphone didn't kill batman at 186. FYI. Velma sucks.

[calm herald]

Please buff her kill power PFG

[muted holly]

https://x.com/AJAX_HQ/status/1834444171957895530 👀

[cursive tendon]

Hmm

[desert roost]

I’ll believe when I see it. Lmao.

[boreal wharf]

Idk man watch her be worse

[heavy mortar]

Do you guys have a problem with megaphone where it literally just phases through someone

[muted holly]

if they have a projectile shield active then it goes trough them yea

[vague crystal]

Is there a reason for the over influx of jack players I feel like 80% of my games are against him

[muted holly]

overplayed by casuals since you really dont need much to succeed with him

[desert roost]

I have a problem with it being a projectile, not killing, and having a softspot.

[heavy mortar]

No cause who decided that

Probably cause you can angle it

[muted holly]

if it is considered a projectile then it should interact with other projectiles too

[desert roost]

Easy to play, Easy to win with, quick gratification because of winning, and easy to climb with.

[desert roost]

Yeah, but he it doesn't travel like any projectile in the game. It's a beam if anything...like Marvin's laser gun. Is that considered a projectile or a melee attack?

[heavy mortar]

Yea true

Maybe with the next patch they fix it cause it’s so annoying watching it go through someone and I get hit for that

[muted holly]

pretty sure it is a melee attack that interacts with projectiles

[desert roost]

Why does velma's megaphone not function the same way...

[muted holly]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

my best guess is pfg doesnt know what they are doing

[desert roost]

There needs to be better specifics and consistency on classifications of moves.

I'm playing 1's and I'm lowkey like regreting it because my brain is hurting LOL

I just made a reindog rage quit. I'm hollering.

So I just discovered as I am playing 1's. Generally people airdodge behind you if you up tilt them and they expect you to go for another. You can do calculated into another one or if they are at a higher percent just shutter bug them from calculated into a death.

I am learning some interesting paths to take from 1's for follow ups

[calm herald]

I want old megaphone back so badly like I actually hate this one

[desert roost]

What is this absurd hitbox with Bugs Bunny Up Air

[muted holly]

nobody knows

they should take away the abillity to fastfall on bugs uair

[unique pond]

ur velma goes crazy

[muted holly]

huh

did we fight recently?

[unique pond]

garnet

[muted holly]

i wasnt even playing that well in that match 😭

ggs tho

[unique pond]

u still did really good

I just wish my clap wasnt bugged 😭

[muted holly]

its annoying because i cant punish it

everything has too much startup

i just pray you let me go

[unique pond]

u did a good job at spacing the bubbles so that u can interrupt tho

[muted holly]

i guess it was decent

btw utilt > sair > utilt > sair > ... seems to be the most optimal way to rack up damage on someone in the van

[unique pond]

Very good

Can’t wait to see what u so after her buffs

[muted holly]

that will heavily depend on if they give her nonsense buffs again or not

we ask for framedata buffs we get a "buff" on the knockback angle on bubbles

spoiler: it is more of a nerf

[unique pond]

Yea

She’s prob hard to balance too

If u give her too much she becomes too strong

But she def needs major buffs

[muted holly]

she really isnt too hard to balance out

just dont transfer all her power into her projectiles and you're fine

i like the way they are going with projectile combo starters tho

if they just gave bubbles more speed and some general framedata improvements among all her moves she will be fine

and make side special cancelable because that move is litteraly useless

[hybrid nymph]

exactly this. last time they buffed her, they nerfed other stuff to compensate, so she didn't really end up much better.

[muted holly]

i assume they have learned after doing that 3 times

[dapper quest]

you never know

[hallow fractal]

Got mine to lvl 20

[dry fulcrum]

Velma rework number 3 lessgo, will she finally leave bottom 1

[desert roost]

She bottom 2. Bottom one 1 belongs to lebron. LOL. That character is actually worse 😂

I was playing random characters yesterday because I wanted to compare Velma to like others...so I tried out batman argubuly a good character and LeBron who is D tier with Velma. Can say...Lebron is def worse than Velma.

[muted holly]

lebron is definetly a little bit better

banana guard is the only one you could argue is worse

[desert roost]

I don't think so. I only argue that because.

Lebron has to have his balls to be effective right? He only gets two and I'm certain the window for recharge is longer than or knowledge book. He is essentially useless without it and his frame data on his normal moves without it are abysmal. Projectile out the window. Which are literally countered by a perk you can take and wipe them away.

Compared to Velma. Once she has her projectiles out the way. Her normal and special moves are relatively still useful sure they may have end lag. But Flashlight being the best is pretty non committal and so is megaphone. She has tools that work even when her projectiles are on cooldown. LeBron...doesn't.

He's gotta run away until his basketball comes back. 2mins later. Lol.

[muted holly]

because?

[muted holly]

thing is, a good lebron player doesn't lose his ball easily so he isnt in hard disadvantage state for that long

compared to velma, once you run out of projectiles you're out of offensive options and she always has bad framedata, you are forced to play defensive without projectiles which is pretty hard when everything has this much startup

im not trying to say lebron is good or anything, but you cant push his disadvantage nearly as hard as velma's

one more thing to add: lebron doesnt have useless attacks, velma has 5 of them, uspecial, cd (air)dspecial and ground and air sspecial

and if you want to argue about cd dspecial, it has no range and everything out of it can be DI-ed

[desert roost]

I think adding "good" lebron players changes the discussion because we can do that for like Velma too. Good Velma players shouldn't be getting approached on because they have megaphone to cover the option. I'm just referring to his base kit.

Megaphone and sair can definintely be considered offensive options. I think megaphone and sair are great defensive options. Literally can spam both and one covers mid range and the other covers melee range in front of you . I think she is fine in the defensive option department once projectiles are no longer a thing. The only thing I can agree with his her bad frame data. It may make it more difficult to punish with other moves...but she has good defensive options once she loses projectiles. It just may not be how you as a player want to play until projectiles return. Lebron does not have those options. Pushing Velma's advantage has nothing to do with non presence of her projectiles but her frame data as a whole.

[muted holly]

at the end of the day, they both are dogsh.t, pointless discussion actually

[desert roost]

I disagree on some.
CD air(both ground and air) - Special has some decent range on it. It's slightly less range than flashlight and doesn't cover the top of her head. It's low on lag compared to her other moves. Calculated into cd down special leads into some freaky things. I encourage you to try it out. I've found great success. However calculated into down special stops working when calculated into air up special confirms into kill. Sooo 120 - 130 range.

Ground special is very meh because it does kill. around 130/140 if you land it. It just doesn't have any armor, but it's a great caught off guard move.

Air special doesn't kill as much as it used to due to the changing of the angle knockback for combos but the move is still ok. It just doesn't do what it's supposed to which is lead into a combo or something and that's mainly due to Velma's end lag on the move.

[desert roost]

This is true

He does get his ball back if he hits someone which is nice. However hit boxes kinda rough LOL.

Like play him and see what I'm talking about. It's crazy.

Playing other characters have given me a bit onf insight on some velma stuff that I'm over looking.

Whole argument discussion aside. I do think you are lowkey sleeping on CD ground. @muted holly

[soft harness]

Honestly her Ice Flask is extremely useless

But I guess its more of a deterrence than a utility

[desert roost]

Oh extremely useless

It doesn't deter anyone from doing anything except standing in one stop...which no one is doing in a platform fighter anyone.

[muted holly]

i dont really see the use of it tbh, it needs less DI (or less knockback if DI depends on that) to be a good move

outside of some useless wall tech i found on the aerial version, there is nothing it does well

[desert roost]

It chains into
Jab jab > cd down special > (read the air dodge typically away)

Ground dodge full distance under them > calcualted > into cd > sair

It's just a string pretty much.

[muted holly]

DI diagonally up and out counters it completely and the good players caught onto that already

[desert roost]

If they don't air dodge away then you just cover whatever option they choose.

[muted holly]

for the cost of half your dodge meter

[desert roost]

you can use it to cover people when they jump in. IT applies flammable doc which is also extra damage. I literally just did an 98% string on a a black adam off of it.

Absolutely worth the cost.

[muted holly]

on large characters it does its job half the time ye

but on small or even medium sized characters everything out of cd book is DI-able or untrue

[soft harness]

I think they should rework the flask into some kind of explosion instead

[muted holly]

the idea of it is good but it just isnt nearly as threatening as it should be

[desert roost]

It works for me and I encourage you to experiment with it. I'm finding great success with the move. I hope they don't change it lol.

I lied. I hope they only change like the hitbox covering more of the top of her head.

[hybrid nymph]

I think it should last longer

[soft harness]

Maybe if they make it a cloud

Would be way more threatening

[desert roost]

Free proc of ignite and damage and DI'ing diagonally and up is fine by me. Since my whole gameplan is to get them off me anyhow.

[muted holly]

larger hitbox, active for longer, wayyyy faster applying of ice stacks

[desert roost]

It's not a kill tool.

[muted holly]

i know its not a kill tool, its supposed to be a combo tool

but it isnt

[desert roost]

Well none of her stuff is

Except calculated LOL

It's all strings and reads.

Calculated is like the only move you get something off of 100% of the time that is true at every percent.

[muted holly]

even out of that move things drop sometimes

[desert roost]

Depends what you are doing and what percent

[muted holly]

jab1

[desert roost]

Why would you jab one out of that?

[muted holly]

what else do you recommend?

[desert roost]

Also I get Jab 1 consistently out of it?

[muted holly]

it just drops sometimes

not sure what the cause could be

[desert roost]

It's percent based.

[muted holly]

it isnt

[desert roost]

40%+

[muted holly]

works fine on 0

[desert roost]

You don't get cal into jab 1

[muted holly]

its near 120 where it drops

[desert roost]

So it is percent based?

[muted holly]

could be

but it still works most of the time there

[desert roost]

But at 120 you wouldn't do Calc into Jab 1. You would do Calc into shutter but for the kill

Or Calc into up tilt.

[muted holly]

doesnt kill that early from the ground

[desert roost]

Mmmm

Beg to differ

[muted holly]

why would you calc into utilt when you can calc jab jab utilt

[desert roost]

Of course it does depend on the character. You're adding nuance to it.

If your sole goal is to kill. You don't Calc into Jab at 120. You would do Calc into Shutter bug.

[muted holly]

again, it doesn't kill that early, unless the opponent doesnt DI

[desert roost]

Lol that's not true for all characters which we know.

[muted holly]

maybe on arya it kills but good luck landing dtilt on her

[desert roost]

I don't find it difficult being that you have to read people as velma 90% of the time while playing anyway.

It's just a different scenario and you have to know what they want. I don't find it difficult landing that move.

[muted holly]

reads arent the problem, its the fact that you get punished for trying to do so against most characters

[desert roost]

At 120% on her that combo kills every time. DI or no DI.

I'm confused as to where the conversation is heading? I guess we got off the topic of what combos into calculated outside of the jab which is inconsistent at higher percents

[muted holly]

i think its the other way around

what combos out of dtilt was what we were talking about

[desert roost]

Oooo

Ok ok

[muted holly]

would be nice to have sair dtilt true but teching ruins it

teching is my biggest enemy rn

a few decent combos i found just get ruined by it

[desert roost]

Dtilt > downspecial(cd) > sair is a combo

[muted holly]

its DI able on most %s

[desert roost]

Yeah it is

As starting 0 though it's a combo

But then that opens the door for other options. Because if they pop above you at higher percents or mid perecents you just up air them instead.

[muted holly]

but why wouldnt you do dtilt jab jab (cd)book sair/air sspecial instead

[soft harness]

I wonder what move gives the 'most' evidence

[muted holly]

sair

[soft harness]

hmm alright

[desert roost]

That's def DI'able / airdodge able is it not?

[muted holly]

its the one you land the most

[muted holly]

book into sair/air sspecial is yea

but same goes with dtilt book sair

but here you get an extra jab jab for free

[desert roost]

At lower percents or at Zero rather. What % do you end at when you complete the combo you stated?

[muted holly]

not sure, im not really remembering all these numbers

[desert roost]

The combo I stated at zero puts that at 24%

In the lab doing the one that you stated(with dodge after hitstun on for both). Lands them still at 24. But the sair doesn't land due to the air dodge. So you can do cd book ground, into rising book and that connects, but still leaves them at 24?

[muted holly]

so same damage but you get more room for reads on mine?

[soft harness]

Im very tempted to get that Witch Skin but I'm waiting till next season to see if any new skins for Velma will come out

[muted holly]

there is a new one coming

[desert roost]

Same damage. More work. You may get the punish you may not. But the risk is missing and getting punished for attempting it? But essential yes. Yours would be more risky mine would be safer. Still same damage(base)

[soft harness]

Is it good?

[muted holly]

ehh not really my style, its one of those cartoon reference skins

[desert roost]

I thought it was cute 😭

[muted holly]

both have their uses ig, pretty sure its better to go for mine after like 20% tho

[desert roost]

I would use yours probably on stock 3 in a game when I know someone's dodge habits.

I would use mine on stock 1 and 2.

[desert roost]

Mmmmm

[muted holly]

anyways having a damage dependant combo for 24% as our highest damage combo proves that this character needs something

[desert roost]

Oh absolutely

I'm not knocking that at all.

I'm just loving these uses that I am discovering for cd downspecial

I'm in the lab and like I just did Calc > cd ds > upair and it killed (non DI shaggy of course) at 106. Dodge on of course.

[muted holly]

that is DI-able for sure

[desert roost]

Absolutely.

I'm going to go try it in real matches now tho

See what comes of it

[muted holly]

i feel like velma's metagame has almost reached its limits already

[desert roost]

WE JUST GETTING STARTED BABY

As long as they don't touch calculated!

lol

[muted holly]

it needs to be faster and less laggy for sure

that move is garbage at high level play

its very good against panick dodgers

[desert roost]

Lucid!

I need you to get on and try cd down special for covering jump options

IT'S GOLD

lol

[muted holly]

i cant

[desert roost]

It comes out faster than flash light.

[muted holly]

i am stuck at some stupid birthday party

[desert roost]

AWWW DARN!

[muted holly]

feel free to send me some clips tho

prove me wrong about cd book

istg i cznt type on mobile

[desert roost]

Do you have like some recording software that you use. Idk how to record myself and this game doesn't have replays sadly.

[muted holly]

if you have a nvidia graphics card you can use shadowplay

[desert roost]

ooo

[muted holly]

but that started to lag on mvs for some reason

not sure if it is just a me problem tho

but i use obs replay buffer

takes some time to set up but you can do a lot more with it

[desert roost]

You'll have to show me how to do it

Or I could look up a video bwhaha

But how long would you say it takes?

[muted holly]

ill see if i can still find the tutorial i followed

[desert roost]

👍

[muted holly]

like 10 minutes i think

15 maybe

https://youtu.be/0LLXsIxSVCo?si=m--F1R8Sg_lvGaaw

found it

[desert roost]

Oooo

[soft harness]

Velma's other perk should be changed because its pretty useless

[muted holly]

which one? studied?

[soft harness]

Yeah

Just 1 evidence is useless compared to 3 grey health almost constantly

[muted holly]

yea it really isnt good

constantly is a huge overexaggeration but yea it is way better

[soft harness]

well 'constantly'

[muted holly]

one good perk is enough to me

i wouldnt mind if they chaged the other one though

[soft harness]

I might try a Van centred build

sounds dumb but idk I am getting bored of the generic builds

[muted holly]

not worth it

van is useless against decent players

it simply drive of the map if they jump over a corner

[soft harness]

Not if they accidentally launch their teammate into the moon they arent

[muted holly]

ahhh 2v2 player i see

[desert roost]

1v1 Velma sucks against other ranged might as well just forfit.

[soft harness]

yep

Love seeing people launch the van straight into their ally

Unless they have a Black Adam then I might aswell alt f4

[muted holly]

im getting really really tired of losing a big lead due to this character not being able to kill

[unique pond]

3 more days we pray

Maybe they will do her some justice

[heavy mortar]

Literally just fought a Jason that wouldn’t die

Why do we need to equip a whole perk to make people knock back easier and farther

Makes no sense

And people swear Velma has amazing kill power like what lmao

[muted holly]

if you're lucky you can land air uspecial > uair to get a decently early kill but that just rarely happens

[calm herald]

Fr it's really dependent on the angle and if your opponent reacts fast enough because of endlag

[soft harness]

Really sucks that Joker can get a full combo from dair but with Velma you have to analyse their gameplay habits to do anything

[muted holly]

i stepped away from my dair habits a long time ago

not worth the risk

[boreal wharf]

Decided to finally play some MVS yesterday games went fairly well other than the fact that I can’t kill on 160+

[muted holly]

The problems are getting smaller but they add up quickly

[boreal wharf]

Hopefully it gets fixed next patch

[muted holly]

Buffs are confirmed to be coming

Now let's hope it ain't nonsense

[boreal wharf]

I didn’t know they added grandmaster rank

[desert roost]

Not wort them at all. I use it to kill sometimes when they are at like 180. But even then it's still committal.

[muted holly]

Was à bad addition at the time

They changed the way rp worked beyond a certain point so if you were top 100 already you basically couldn't lose it

[desert roost]

Which is good! Now that most velmas have developed the ability to think and read, understand habits. It will now empower us if these buffs are decent.

[boreal wharf]

I would’ve grinded for it out of boredom ngl

[muted holly]

Sounds like torture

[boreal wharf]

I mean 2s isn’t that bad tbh

[muted holly]

Might go for it next season if highschool doesn't suck up all my free time

[boreal wharf]

They do need to fix matchmaking tho because my teammates are drooling most games

[desert roost]

2's aren't that bad, 1's are literal nightmare against anyone with a decen't projectile which is everyone in the game except Velma.

[muted holly]

Either they revert the projectile nerfs or they increase the movement speed and in both cases better paths

[desert roost]

The move "hey" doesn't do damage or apply hitstun, nor does it automatically follow enmies so you literally have to aim it and pray they don't jump or dodge it.

[boreal wharf]

Imma get 5 star wins on Velma then I’m only touching PPG until nubia comes

[desert roost]

"hey" needs to apply some sort of debuff on enemies in 1's or just in general so that she can get something off of throwing it instead of just being punished for it.

[muted holly]

We lost a soldier 🫡

[boreal wharf]

It’s hard out here man been playing since the beta and it’s genuinely only gotten worse with each patch

[muted holly]

Ehhh I think improving framedata on it will help a lot

[boreal wharf]

Almost 50 nerfs to a single character in a fighting game is outrageous

[muted holly]

You have not seen jaeyun in brawlhalla

That was peak unbalanced

To the point where that year's world championship was full of jaeyun in t32

[desert roost]

Not in 1's. It just has such a high miss probability.

[boreal wharf]

I will be getting that new Velma skin tho

[muted holly]

That's why I want it to be faster

[boreal wharf]

I do hope they fix the rank system ngl

[muted holly]

I think I saw something about it being addressed

[boreal wharf]

Good because there’s fs a couple of bums in the top 50

[muted holly]

Hardcorefox shouldn't even be top 100

He is bad

Same with a lot of others near the top

[boreal wharf]

Redjoey shouldn’t be top 10 pretty sure I have like a record of like 20-4 against him

[muted holly]

Usmaan doesn't deserve top 50 either, he gets 3 stocked by me consistently while he has a hard winning matchup

But like I said earlier, they grinded enough in the utterly unbalanced system to secure their gm spot

[boreal wharf]

Are there any fighting games with good rank systems?

[muted holly]

Brawlhalla

But that's it's only good side tbh

Also random question, am I the only European that actively talks here?

[boreal wharf]

American here 🙋‍♂️

[muted holly]

🦅🦅

[cursive tendon]

🦅 Me American too

Eagle noises

[muted holly]

What the f... Is a kilometer 🦅🦅

[desert roost]

🦅 🦅

[muted holly]

So I assume I'm the only one that isn't from freedom land?

Not sure what would be better tho, freedom land or the country of fries and alcoholics

[atomic otter]

Ew Europeans 👎👎👎

[muted holly]

Friendly fire?

[atomic otter]

😂 how did u know

[muted holly]

We played brawl in 2021 remember

No way I decided to play na

[atomic otter]

Oh yea 😭. Na servers input delay is pretty annoying

[muted holly]

Can't do cross region things on there, ping is insane

[atomic otter]

I hear that a lot even from grandmasters too

But he hasn’t been gaining much rp since last patch

Someone is gonna catch up soon

[muted holly]

They did an attempt to keep RP inflation under control, he can't climb at all

[atomic otter]

Because of tech right?

[muted holly]

No one in top 5 can I'm pretty sure

No like a soft cap on rp

[atomic otter]

They probably only get like 2/3

[muted holly]

I think so yea

Changing that mid-season was a terrible decision tho

[atomic otter]

Yea it’s so dumb they put a cap on rp

On how much you recieve tho

Losing cap doesn’t seem that bad, well for me 😭

[muted holly]

I don't think there is a hard cap on rp gain below masters I

[boreal wharf]

They also need to fix matchmaking because why am I getting bronze teammates

[atomic otter]

It should be 40 max but me and my friend only average about 14 rp

[muted holly]

14 rp is a ton

[atomic otter]

💀

Come on bro

[muted holly]

I got +8 on average on my masters push

And always lost 19

[atomic otter]

😬

But it’s annoying cause my friend is not good

We lose a lot of games

And I don’t feel like playing randoms

[muted holly]

Is he the Jason that I bullied that 1 time?

[atomic otter]

Yea

[muted holly]

Pain

[atomic otter]

I know Jason is a big character but I swear this dude dies 3 times every single game

[boreal wharf]

I get +25 and -19-30

[muted holly]

I mean we could try together, since my mate isn't very good either

[muted holly]

Loss should be capped at 19

[atomic otter]

Nah we will try and get masters together

[boreal wharf]

I’m getting penalized for when my teammates leave for some reason

[muted holly]

That's why you don't play randoms

[atomic otter]

I’m even surprised I got diamond 1 with a hard stuck gold 4 😭

[boreal wharf]

I still climb just fine but it is annoying sometimes

[muted holly]

Sounds like hell

[boreal wharf]

I enjoy playing with randoms more than friends ngl

[muted holly]

Can't give an opinion on that, none of my friends play mvs

[boreal wharf]

Unfortunate

My friends play but they aren’t as good as I need them to be

[muted holly]

That's a common issue

[atomic otter]

Fr

[boreal wharf]

Yeah but my problem with it is MVS isn’t a difficult game

I’m not the best player in the world but like it ain’t that difficult

[muted holly]

Trying to find a mate is hell on its own btw, either you don't find anyone or you get dmed by a plat 3 that doesn't understand the words atleast masters V

[muted holly]

Easy to pick up, hard to master

[boreal wharf]

I get a lot of invites from people who be selling my games it’s kinda insane

Like yeah we won but why would I wanna go though that again?

[muted holly]

Randoms are knows to be drooling toddlers yk

[boreal wharf]

I do like the community for the most part tho people are so nice to me after I beat them

[muted holly]

Very divided community ngl

Half of them are super nice, the other half is toxic af

[boreal wharf]

I play with a toddler then get the two stack who doesn’t get off the game against me

[atomic otter]

They nice cause your playing Velma 😭

If you beat them on joker that would be a different story

[boreal wharf]

Yeah but id be more embarrassed ngl I could never message someone after getting walked

[muted holly]

Oh it's not because we play Velma, the amount of times someone dmed me the nword after losing is ridiculous

[boreal wharf]

I’ve had people dm me being happy as hell they win, they are very nice and supportive or it’s a weirdo for some reason simping over my skin

[muted holly]

Yea there are a lot of nice people ik that, but there is as many toxic people to counteract that

[boreal wharf]

Fair

[muted holly]

The mvs eu server is a chill place for example

[boreal wharf]

This place is a different story lol

[muted holly]

Yup

Well this thread is an exception

[boreal wharf]

Wish we had picture and video permissions here 😢

[muted holly]

Would be nice

But even then, there is a Velma server where most of that gets sent

Or you "bypass" it by sending it in clips and linking it here

I guess you could suggest it in the discord suggestions channel if that still exists

[atomic otter]

“We have read some of you guys discord suggestion and we have decided to buff all the dc characters”

[muted holly]

Hate to bring it but discord suggestions doesn't include the game

Anyways ima go to sleep I just réalise I have school tomorrow or today, however you wanna look at it

[boreal wharf]

Unfortunate

[muted holly]

😔

À mimir

[unique pond]

where do u see the confirmation for whats coming

nvm i see the post

[calm herald]

I'm sorry WHAT??

Bruh we are literally playing the worst character rn why are we getting called stuff like that now

[calm herald]

It only does 1 damage it's soooo op/j

[muted holly]

Was some wacky tease from Ajax on twitter

[muted holly]

I must say, Europeans commonly use that word

[hallow fractal]

Crazy but not surprised

[muted holly]

highschool is making me depressed already, idk how much i will be able to play from now on

[atomic otter]

Bros already asking for that buff in #into-the-verse-questions

[muted holly]

🤫

[cursive tendon]

marceline coming 🕺🏽

[hallow fractal]

Or wicked witch

Or tree trunks

[dapper quest]

apple guard skin for banana guard

[cursive tendon]

W Another Velma skin

[hallow fractal]

Yeah I like it

[unique pond]

i want the hot velma skin

[muted holly]

🤨

OK good news, my only lesson on Wednesday is canceled, I can mess around with the new Velma changes for a bit

[hallow fractal]

Soo I just lost 10 rp for abandoning match but I didn't leave. It showed the enemy left on my screen. It happened right after we won the first game.

Does that happen to yall

Kinda trash

[calm herald]

Hope Velma gets something at least decent next season

We didnt get a preview of anything

[muted holly]

We got some dair momentum shenanigens

[calm herald]

We did?

[muted holly]

Doesn't happen to me since I abandoned ranked for the rest of the season, heard some people say the same tho

[muted holly]

Yea but like 95% of the rest of the cast did too 😭

[calm herald]

Honestly dair rn sucks

Only good for edgeguard somewhat

[muted holly]

Mehh not even really

Most uairs out prioritize it with ease

I was a big dair defender last patch but I can't find anything useful with it

[hallow fractal]

It's sucks I've been stuck at high plat 2 low plat 1

I just wanna touch diamond with her

And idk what to do/change

[dapper quest]

SO REAL 😩

[muted holly]

If you have some recordings or whatever feel free to send them to me, I'll see what I can do

[hallow fractal]

Ok thx

[desert roost]

Flashlight has to be the worst disjoint in existence lol.

[calm herald]

Apparently Velma's jab also has a hitbox on the words??

Like I was out of range for an attack and I got hit in the speech bubble during the jab

[desert roost]

A couple hours until we see our "buffs" and then everyone starts playing Velma again. Brace yourselves ladies and gents! Assert your dominance as Velma kings and queens through the hardship age.

[cursive tendon]

Omg patch notes 🤭

Velma
● Air Neutral Attack
○ + Now maintains more momentum when executed as part of a dodge attack
● Air Side Attack
○ - Now maintains less momentum in the direction opposite Velma’s facing during the attack
○ + Now maintains more momentum when executed as part of a dodge attack
● Air Down Attack
○ + Now allows fast fall during attack start-up
○ + Now maintains more momentum during attack start-up
● Air/Ground Neutral Special
○ - Speech bubbles no longer home to a target once reflected
○ ~ Fixed certain projectile clank interactions for all speech bubble types
● Air Side Special
○ + Now maintains more momentum when executed as part of a dodge attack
● Air/Ground Down Special
○ ~ Fixed certain projectile clank interactions
○ + Now maintains more momentum when executed as part of a dodge attack

[tidal onyx]

What do we think of these changes?

[cursive tendon]

I think mystery van needs to instant kill

[desert roost]

This is it?

These are worthless.

The only thing I can for see is being able to potneitally catch people with up air or flashlight after or before they perform a dodge. But this does not solve her overall encompassing problem of frame data where she lags immensely or has so too much startup on moves to punish things.

I'll of course play tomorrow when the changes are live and judge from there...but on papers it's not giving anything substantial.

Are we surprised. Nope.

[boreal wharf]

Certainly changes of all time fs

Velma buffs are still good either way tho 💯

[desert roost]

That sarcasm go crazy. @boreal wharf

😭

[ember horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-hczne-gif-20831523

[boreal wharf]

Kinda insane to me how ice hasn’t gotten any significant changes in the games whole lifetime

[ember horizon]

watching everyone else doing ground bounce combos this patch

[boreal wharf]

we can do it also just hope they don’t dodge

[desert roost]

They will. Lmao.

[ember horizon]

I'm just hoping we can ladder a bit easier with the changes

if not it's gonna be another patch of suffering for us

[desert roost]

Lol. They look at the move and put it on the "don't matter list". Because you can't look at the move and be like "this is move is useful."

It was only ever useful if you had superman on your team and you took the perk to stack freeze at 2 ticks.

The perk doesn't exist anymore so that's out the window.

[boreal wharf]

It was also much better when the game was faster but I genuinely don’t think I’ve ever frozen someone since playing the beta

Just add projectile perks back please man

[desert roost]

I've frozen complete morons who stand still.

[dry fulcrum]

grounded up special and down tilt just being completely "do nothing" moves never feels good

[boreal wharf]

Actually they can’t add projectile perks back because they would require them to actually put in work since speaker counts as a projectile

[desert roost]

The only thing it's good for is using it and then while it's on cool down you have direct access to up air special on the ground. So you can just run toward people dodge cancel slide and kill them.

[dry fulcrum]

so uhhh, bottom 1 incoming?

[hybrid nymph]

incoming?

[misty dew]

I refuse to fall for this again lmfao

[hybrid nymph]

they consistently hype up literally nothing

[misty dew]

Oh wait .

[dry fulcrum]

people were making arguments for Banana Guard, Lebron and Jake to maybe be worse. now that all three of them got substantial buffs, there's nothing stopping our spot from being cemented

[hybrid nymph]

Oh yeah I just meant "we can't be incoming because we're already there"

but they all got better buffs for sure

[desert roost]

Oh yeah, Lebron got a pretty decent buff. We are def sitting at the bottom #1 slot.

[calm herald]

I hate it here what are these buffs

[boreal wharf]

Buffs

[calm herald]

I hate em

[crystal creek]

Uhhh jake got 12 nerfs 🤓☝️

[desert roost]

As AJAX put it, you'll now be more compelled to play Ms.Dinkley. 🙃

[calm herald]

I dont think I wanna play her this season now

[desert roost]

I mean chomping someone into a like edgeguard that you can't dodge seems kinda lame and cheesy. So I'm ok with it. Lol

[desert roost]

Who is actually compelled to play her. She got nothing but a new variant...and that's it.

[calm herald]

Oh cool momentum increases we totally needed that

[crystal creek]

What is chomping someone into a like edgeguard

[desert roost]

Command grab into an edge guard? Where you chomp them and spit them out and then jake does the little charge fist move and KO's someone from the top of the ledge. That?

[crystal creek]

You can’t dodge after you’ve been spat out? But jake has enough time to fully charge a punch?

[desert roost]

Absolutely. But even having the ability to extend your arm and KO someone from the top of the ledge and it being extremely non committal is terrible gameplay.

[crystal creek]

Just don’t be at the top of the ledge around jake lmao

[desert roost]

Lmao. Wonderful solution you came up with there. 🤣

[crystal creek]

What exactly is ur point

[desert roost]

I already stated my point @crystal creek

[crystal creek]

I mean u can dodge it so why is it lame

[hybrid nymph]

we don't even have Scoob himself yet, but that's ok because Velma continues to be dog

[desert roost]

Because the risk for jake is none even if someone does dodge it. They are still in disadvantage because they are below you. I'm confused as to how you are missing that?

[boreal wharf]

Scooby will fs have the most fun and unbalanced kit when he comes out but we move

[hybrid nymph]

most of the relaunch characters have been decent to strong, i have hope for scoob

[boreal wharf]

I actually didn’t really see the point but I kinda want Daphne in the game now ngl

[desert roost]

Do you remember when Jack could spam his side special and it covered everything(multi hit), wasn't punishable, and killed people. It's the same concept. No one wants to play against that because it's not fun for anyone except the person doing it.@crystal creek

[crystal creek]

Below u when? U said ur problem was dying from the upper ring zone

[desert roost]

I never said that.

[crystal creek]

U said when jake spots someone then stretch punches them into the upper ring zone is lame and cheesy. But it’s jot

[desert roost]

Top of the ledge as in the actual stage itself. Not referring to the top blast zone.

[crystal creek]

So only scoobys haunted mansion

[desert roost]

No...every stage in the game.

[crystal creek]

I don’t get what part of jake currently is comparable to jacks old side special and is so bad that no one wants to play against it

[desert roost]

Ledge is the far left and right of the map where there is stage. Being at the Top of the ledge and your opponent being below you (spat out to the side). Bottom.

Maybe you just don't do what was nerfed in the patch and that may be where the confusion is coming in at?

[crystal creek]

I’m just confused about what u think is currently so broken about jake because I wish I knew

[desert roost]

Well I mean they nerfed it sooo nothing anymore. I was referring to you saying he got 12 nefs and explained from there...

But if you don't know what a chomp into an edge guard is then that is where the train has been lost.

[crystal creek]

U said jake can eat someone then spit them out into an edge guard which can’t be dodged, that’s wrong lol

[desert roost]

I didn't say that. I said it could, but it still puts them in a disadvantageous position as he is still above them? Which I also said...is not fun gameplay because it's extremely low committal for jake and they nerfed his chomp for that reason because it was central to his gameplay.

[crystal creek]

?

[crystal creek]

Being above someone isn’t a disadvantageous position u can get hit with uair lol. And he doesn’t even end up above them

If u spit someone out after bite u aim for them to go sideways or up how does jake end up above them

[desert roost]

Spitting someone out on ledge they either don't dodge and die...or dodge and end up on the wall?

[crystal creek]

Just dodge ur way back onto the platform lol

[desert roost]

That's if one exists and then why would you do that. That's just even worse because then he could re-bite you

🤣

[crystal creek]

Bro if u can’t escape after a jake spits u off the edge that’s crazy works

[crystal creek]

can’t double bite

[desert roost]

The point is you are still in disadvantage for something extremely low committal which is why they nerfed it. I'm misunderstanding how you are missing this?

"Jake was lacking in ways to approach the opponents outside of using his bite command grab that led to a significant reward."

[crystal creek]

Extremely low committal how?

[desert roost]

All I'm saying is bite(command grab) nerf was needed. And your argument is that it wasn't?

[crystal creek]

It’s been nerfed enough

[crystal creek]

Why u sending this lol.

[desert roost]

Clearly not if it's still such a polarizing option to choose. 🤣 \

[crystal creek]

What approach tools did they give him

[desert roost]

I sent it because I felt like you needed to see it? 🤣

Gotta go read the patch notes sugah...that aint my character. You read them and let me know what they gave him for compensation.

[hallow fractal]

We need the whole gang

[heavy mortar]

Why was I expecting like

A plethora of buffs

Especially with that tweet from ajax

[boreal wharf]

Because that’s what it should’ve been

[heavy mortar]

All I saw was “momentum” after everything

And it’s not exclusive to her so it’s not like real buffs

[desert roost]

It's not. Lool

Everyone got momentum changes so she essentially got nothing.

[boreal wharf]

Velma will never be good in this game after the beta I’ve been saying this for months

[desert roost]

But it don't make sense because Bugs Bunny was a literal menace as well and he's perfectly fine.

[heavy mortar]

No like what they should’ve left out the speed stuff and just left the things they actually changed

[desert roost]

The only people who took real hits were the support classes

[heavy mortar]

It’s cause people cried about her in beta so they nerfed that girl into the ground

Why does Velma suffer cause they don’t know how to balance

[desert roost]

All the supports are meh because they weren't made to be mages. Rein and Velma got hit the most. Steven is a tank, but his transtion was easier compared to the other two.

[boreal wharf]

Yeah but looking at evo he wasn’t as good as her

Her pickrate was crazy

[heavy mortar]

And they have to make “hey” track the closest person after you send it out

[cursive tendon]

Well, I guess I’m playing ppg until they fix my character 🚯

[heavy mortar]

Right

[cursive tendon]

See u guys tomorrow!🙂‍↕️💪🏾

[desert roost]

I don't think that's a fair judge only because there were only 3 supports in the game. Compared to a full cast of mages, assaians, and tanks.

[boreal wharf]

I could kinda understand where your coming from but comps outside of support could definitely still work it was just because Velma was that good that she was played so much

[desert roost]

Comps besides support could very much work. But she was definitely the better support of out the 3. It was no reason not to pick her.

In a game where healing was a factor and shielding and she gave both. The other two supports weren't really as viable for pick options. Which mean she got abused

[boreal wharf]

Yeah she was kinda outrageous but I kinda liked the idea of a support class to a certain extent ngl