Velma

[muted holly]

she can call a van so easily now

bubbles are also very strong now because they dont get blocked by platforms

the run is now a viable move to throw out as a mixup

overall, decent character now

[tidal onyx]

Awesome

Now it’s time to try and find combos lol

[muted holly]

i dont think there will be any extra

jab jab uptilt is easier to hit tho

[tidal onyx]

That’s all I needed to know then lol

Also is side special a kill move?

[muted holly]

havent tried yet

ill see

[tidal onyx]

Okay up air is so much better

That kills at like 90 lol

[coarse shore]

I can’t try her yet but woah, they made her grounded side b decent?

Yoooooo

I see that it possibly kills now?

[tidal onyx]

I’m trying to see when it kills

[muted holly]

side special can kill in higher dmg but its not reliable to use as a kill option

especially because jab2 -> uptilt is now always true

[tidal onyx]

Okay side special kills shaggy at 140

[coarse shore]

Not too bad considering it’s a grab that beats a surprising amount of options

It beats Harley’s slide for example

[muted holly]

velma can do some absolute nasty stuff now

[coarse shore]

Does it start faster?

[muted holly]

it doesnt

it just moves quicker and has more kb

[tidal onyx]

Which is all it needed imo

[coarse shore]

Valid

Dash attack was not a whiff punish move

[dry fulcrum]

glad to hear she's not too good, in the back of my head i treated the buffs like that scene from The Incredibles where the family was watching Dash race, like not too much or else we risk getting nerfed into the ground again

[muted holly]

she is just one small change away from being good / viable in competetive

[open rivet]

She feels amazing oh man. Way better than before

[manic fern]

Ok so...

I just had a van capture BOTH players on the enemy team at the same time

And KO them both at the same time

I don't know if that was always something that could happen, but uhh... huh.

[robust siren]

i love this, its so much easier to get the van than it was before

[leaden shell]

I disagree the angle is fairly large and accomplishes exactly what it needs to. It was never gonna be like Jake’s foward air where you can angle it all the way up, it’s exactly where the angle was in the beta so idk.

I think it’s also huge that the enemy can’t see which way you’re gonna angle it before it happens

[leaden shell]

I think she’s viable now at the very least.

[cursive tendon]

but how does that actually translate to kill power

[tidal onyx]

Idk all I know it kills shaggy at 130 and iron giant at 170 lol

[muted holly]

probably some bug because they were right on top of eahother??

[warm lily]

Idk what any of the actual numbers mean in the context of the game

Just that higher number = more knockback

[unique pond]

How do u win as velma? Shes so clunky

[leaden shell]

Up special up air

Or van

Or calculated to up attack now that you can more reliably do that

[unique pond]

I cant even land attacks

Like against finn

I would start my attacks first and he just ran thru it and hit me

[calm herald]

Hows the buffs? I havent gotten a chance to play yet

[leaden shell]

Pretty fun. Shes not insane or anything but she’s viable

[unique pond]

I literally cant play her shes so funky

[leaden shell]

I personally like her funkiness. It’s not for everyone. You rly can’t play her like you’d play any other character you gotta just do weird stuff

[unique pond]

Yea but like why does her megaphone start at like an inch

Who does that benefit?

[leaden shell]

I mean you can more now than before but she’s still a little goofy

[leaden shell]

It comes out rly quick so it can work to interrupt them sometimes

[main magnet]

ok so how are we feeling about the changes? ive yet to take her into a game

[leaden shell]

Good

[unique pond]

But like for a ranged attack it shouldnt start at an inch

[main magnet]

also did anyone else get the velma scout skin for free? who didnt have the bp

[leaden shell]

They made it this way so that you need to charge it more often. I agree it’s weird but it has a purpose so you can’t just pull it out when they’re farther away. It also has a jab hitbox which I don’t interesting.

It creates a multi hit which gives it a use at least at close range if they’re dodging

[unique pond]

I hope they make it so that it goes further eventually but oh my gosh I just cant even enjoy her

Like when im tryna get an attack off

and all my moves take like 2 seconds to start

and finn is just basically teleporting at me

What was wrong with her previous version? I never had any issues with her

[leaden shell]

Everyone else did because she was strong on release. So they nerfed her until she was worthless, then they did a mini rework when the game re released

[unique pond]

She wasnt that strong on release though?

[leaden shell]

In the beta she was

I mean she wasn’t as good as people say but she was top 3 I think

[warm lily]

Dude every top 8 team at EVO had Velma except VoiD and Nakat

Velma was the definitive #1 in 2v2 in beta

But her kit was not designed for 1v1, so she was pretty mediocre in that regard

[muted holly]

at release velma was a beast in both modes

near the end she was just medriocre in both modes

[cursive tendon]

holy she's playable now

[rocky halo]

side b kills..... i have a complete character now

[cursive tendon]

dude up b up air actually kills now

[leaden shell]

That already killed

[cursive tendon]

yeah but not at 50

[stone arrow]

Side b?

[rocky halo]

as in side special

[buoyant canopy]

velma is good now right?

[desert roost]

The Velma run

[dry fulcrum]

Just had the most hype Velma mirror ever, was down 0-2 and i pulled it all back on the last stock

[desert roost]

Velma feels so much better. Praise!

[muted holly]

I just want a little dtilt buff and I'm satisfied

[round harness]

Getting this on my profile. Ranked must be very soon. https://imgur.com/gallery/ranked-rSa559L

[desert roost]

Lmao we might be getting a nerf. I killed Shaggy at 100 😓

[vocal axle]

I am so glad her neutral special can go through platforms and also her neutral attack can be aimed

[lament grail]

It is just me, or the charged megaphone got its range nerfed?

[desert roost]

Can' just land on Velma for free no more 🙏

[latent gyro]

Yeah I think it did

[lament grail]

Pretty sizeable nerf lol

It feels awful now.

[latent gyro]

It feels like it got cut by half

or something

[lament grail]

And it was not even documented at the patch notes.

Both versions are nerfed, but the air version is even shorter than before.

[latent gyro]

Grounded side b the one with the grab and it’s funny asf

[latent gyro]

Yeah I feel they shouldn’t nerf the bad characters at all and while she got buffed and is better it still feels a bit annoying to deal with

[desert roost]

With all the other buffs. I don't mind it being cut.

[lament grail]

Said change as not even listed at all rofl

[lament grail]

It was a sizeable nerf.

[desert roost]

I mean I get why they did it. They don't want you to slightly step off stage and be able to edge guard someone witha beam in the blast zone. It's reasonable. She would then have great horizontal and vertical kill power.

[latent gyro]

I mean her having actual combos and kill confirms is huge

[desert roost]

^

[lament grail]

Said change was not even documented.

[lament grail]

And lol, actually believing this

[latent gyro]

Yep because it’s true

Also side special funny

[lament grail]

She only gained her grab to actually kill someone.

[latent gyro]

Jan in up tilt is now true though

Jab*

[lament grail]

Not really, but you do you.

[desert roost]

Jab jab up tilt is a kill confirm

[stone arrow]

Oh lol

[calm herald]

Is the servers down rn??

[dry fulcrum]

Will have to test this out, been struggling with my old playstyle due to megaphone's range nerf and nuetral special being slowed down significantly

[desert roost]

I just killed super man off the top with up air 😂 at 100. PRAISE.

[dry fulcrum]

yeah she's definitely way better now, just need to get used to the new version cuz two of my main strategies have been hit hard

[calm herald]

Man they buffed the megaphone and then nerfed its range like why??

[dry fulcrum]

Chaining megaphone into megaphone used to be one of my main confirms and now thats pretty use non-existent due to needing to be at ledge for it to ever confirm, in which dash attack and down air work better, and nuetral special is kind of a do nothing button now due to how slow it is

[desert roost]

Some conscious effort to get out of the old playstyle. But shouldn't take too long Jab one into megaphone is something I've been doing now

[boreal wharf]

Ngl I don’t really like how the megaphone feels rn

I keep overestimating the range and it’s getting me punished

[pulsar pond]

I don't like how they frosted her glasses tbh

looks like some anime character crap now

[lament grail]

Same. The range is awful to actually deter people from approaching you.

[desert roost]

I didn't even notice that. Lol

[lament grail]

Said nerf was not even listed, which is way worse.

[pulsar pond]

like I say frosted, it's that it wasnt opaque before and now it is

[leaden shell]

I can get behind this

[desert roost]

The reward you get off of it. Idk that one will see the light of day

[leaden shell]

I just want its range to better match the charging

Why does the charge animation go almost as far as the new megaphone if the hitbox itself is less than half that

[desert roost]

Yeah, it's just the word hitbox. Kinda like Quips. Where they changed the hitbox to better match the word bubble

Did they buff megaphones damage?

[boreal wharf]

Yeah it was slightly buffed I believe

[desert roost]

I was curious because people are dying at like 120 when I hit them at ledge. Forget the long range. LOL. This kill power is great!

[misty dew]

I just got home from work and woahhhh

I didn't get that decent projectile I wanted so I technically should be rioting but I'll keep it calm for now they did me good

[desert roost]

Lmao. Side special does legit lift people in the air and they explode.

[boreal wharf]

dw just stand still because PFG thinks thats how velma should be played because it's significantly faster when you are not moving compared to in the air using projectiles!!!

also why are the abilities velma has on CD still just so underwhelming

[desert roost]

Goop, and Book

Goop has always been underwhelming. It was only ever good with Superman and the other frost perk. @boreal wharf

[desert roost]

I just broke the game. I killed one person with van and other with up air and the game couldn't handle how awesome my skills were so it crashed. LOL

[robust siren]

i knew something felt off

[calm herald]

Man does it feel good to actually be able to do something in fights

These buffs were amazing despite the range nerf on megaphone

[dry fulcrum]

gonna be honest i'm not feeling the buffs. megaphone being worse has made it harder to fight back against combo strings and removed a confirm, and she still doesnt have any true combos to make up for it unless i'm missing something vital about jab into up tilt

The only parts that feel actively better are her aerial strings and mystery machine

[calm herald]

I mean up special into utilt seem more consistent

Air ones I mean

[tidal onyx]

What’s Velma’s worst matchup?

[boreal wharf]

black adam imo

[lament grail]

Same. They say they want Velma to have better zoning tools, and stealthly gut the megaphone range by half.

Nice logic.

[boreal wharf]

i'd be fine with them putting speaker back on CD and making a attack like lightbulb that slowly gives you megaphone then they could make a good megaphone and it could be balanced

like magnifying glass or something it could work

[leaden shell]

I think that would be awful

Half of her kit is already only useful in a few circumstances, her megaphone is good, but you need to have it on hand at all times. She doesn’t need any more of her kit in cooldown

[leaden shell]

All she needs now is the range back on megaphone, and any sort of change at all to book and goop

[warm lily]

Wait are you saying they nerfed the range again but didn’t list it in the patch notes?

Or are you talking from beta to relaunch?

[calm herald]

They nerfed the range again

[rocky halo]

Down air jump side b seems to be confirmable

[lament grail]

Just reverting the nerf would be enough.

[lament grail]

Exactly that. A stealth nerf.

[lament grail]

For anyone curious to see the difference, check out the Velmacord (I posted the images there).

[dry fulcrum]

the what-

[ember heart]

Crazy how many people refuse to play with a character when said character is considered bad, but the moment said character gets a bunch of buffs tons of people hop on over 🤣

If you didn't play Velma at her worst, you don't deserve Velma at her best.

[boreal wharf]

man idk how y'all play velma in 1s just love guessing right and getting punished because all my opponets moves still have priority somehow

[ember heart]

I do great in 1s with Velma

[leaden shell]

Real

[main magnet]

TRUE

[winter fog]

Does anyone else feel like the Mystery Van isn't killing the opponents?

[muted holly]

mine autisticly jumps around the stage

[rocky halo]

saying you dont deserve a fictional character is wild.\

[sturdy orbit]

My excuse is that I was had no option to try her out before the training update and by then I needed an assassin and a tank so gonna wait on getting her

[ember heart]

Pretty sure every character in this game aside from LeBron is fictional.

[rocky halo]

h....how does what you just said affect my statement? does what you just said make your og statement any less wild?

[sturdy orbit]

So what is Velma’s neutral gameplan?

[ember heart]

Not sure what's so wild about it... You just mad because you're a meta hopper?

[rocky halo]

dont assume, stranger.

[ember heart]

I didn't, there's clearly a question mark there.

[rocky halo]

ive been a velma since the alpha

that dosent change the fact that your statement was wild. saying you dont deserve dots on your screen is weird in the first place.

[ember heart]

What a strange way to simplify my statement. 🤔

[sturdy orbit]

Can we just agree Velma is a cool character and call it there?

Because she is actually really fun

[rocky halo]

secondly, the character was unfinished. i dont now about you, but i play games to have fun

[rocky halo]

she is fun now, i agree

[ember heart]

Some people have fun playing minecraft on peaceful with keep inventory enabled, but I'd find that boring.

Have a nice day 😊

[warm lily]

There’s a difference between a character being so bad that they’re not fun and so bad that they are fun

Jason is so bad that he’s fun

[rocky halo]

^^^

[warm lily]

Velma was so bad that she wasn’t fun

[sturdy orbit]

Ultimate Ganon and Ultimate Mac for example

[rocky halo]

i main ganon in smash, i agree

[sturdy orbit]

Fair

[ember heart]

So Shaggy got nerfed and you swapped to Velma? Lmao

[warm lily]

No

I play the majority of the cast

Shaggy got nerfed but I will still play him

[sturdy orbit]

I mean I’m a Marvin and T&J player

[warm lily]

I’m not some tier w**** like you keep trying to assume others are

[sturdy orbit]

So I’m just playing who seems fun

[ember heart]

I had plenty of fun with Velma before she got buffed yesterday. I won constantly, I truly think everyone who said she was bad just isn't good at adapting or can only handle playing top tier fighters. And that's okay, not everyone enjoys a challenge.

[rocky halo]

i have no issue with bad characters. velma was literally unfinishd. there is a major difference,

[warm lily]

They could absolutely gut Shaggy and I’d still play him because I like him as a character (he’s my favorite Scooby Doo character)

If I wanted to play a brain dead top tier and farm wins, I’d just play Joker or Wonder Woman

[sturdy orbit]

I mean if you look at smash people will constantly complain about Steve being overpowered, then a Steve faces two bottom tiers back to back and loses in tournaments

[warm lily]

In before the “Shaggy is a brain dead top tier”

[ember heart]

Because those who play with bottom tier fighters usually have a lot more skill than those who play with top tier fighters.

[warm lily]

I play Luigi, Dr. Mario, and King K. Rool in Ult, all of which are considered mid tier at best

[rocky halo]

@warm lily yo quick side note i noticed shaggys knee felt faster post patch, u agree?

[ember heart]

Idk I haven't played smash bros since the wii lmao

[ember heart]

I think you're right

[warm lily]

I haven’t noticed knee being faster tbh

But I haven’t really been paying attention to it

[sturdy orbit]

I mean depends, a lot of the best players in smash plays top tiers besides a Cloud player (mid character), the main thing is its about how the players use their characters strengths

[warm lily]

I will say I prefer how knee was in beta because it was a unique chargeable combo starter and not just another kill move that Shaggy doesn’t need

[ember heart]

But it's easier to be considered a 'best player' when you use a top tier, no? I'd say it degrades the meaning of the term. I think a player who can play a bottom tier and ALMOST win against a top tier fighter is still the better player, even if they technically lost the match.

[warm lily]

Cloud is good in Ult only because he’s an anti-meta character who beats characters like G&W

[sturdy orbit]

Its easier, however it also entirely depends, mus exist, counterplay exists, player experience is also super important

[warm lily]

While certain people are absolutely carried by playing top tiers, I think it’s a bit disingenuous to say that about the majority of top players

A lot of top players can still do well with mid and low tier characters, but they won’t swap because their weaknesses really show at the highest level of play

[ember heart]

Look at it like this. Say there's a race between 2 racers, 1 racer has a top of the line sports car, and the other racer is on a bicycle. If the person on the bicycle comes close to winning against the sports car, the person on the bike is the true champion in my eyes.

[sturdy orbit]

Take a Inkling (mid) vs. Joker (top tier, other Joker), in peoples heads this should be Joker does better against Inkling due to tier but in reality Inkling has a really good mu against Joker and can beat a better Joker due to a good mu

[sturdy orbit]

But so many factors can come into play, possibly the drivers having a bad day leading to a worse performance or adrenaline or all sorts of stuff

The issue is taking things at face value

[warm lily]

See but it’s not so black and white. It’s more like one guy has a street car but he has to stop at traffic lights, another guy has a bike and doesn’t, and a third guy has a jet but it won’t take off for a few more hours

What I’m trying to say is it’s all very matchup dependent

Most people solo main because it’s easiest, but a lot of top players have secondaries for a reason

[rocky halo]

this is some john henry level thinking

[ember heart]

Overall I'd say fighter tier lists are like difficulty levels. If you use a top tier then you're playing on easy mode, if you use a mid tier then you're playing on medium, and bottom tier is playing on hard.

[warm lily]

And the idea of knowing how to play your opponent’s character is very helpful in exploiting their weaknesses

[sturdy orbit]

But then again tier lists are also very subjective

[warm lily]

Can’t even agree here because of examples like Melee Fox being the hardest character to optimally play

[sturdy orbit]

I’ve seen Marth get put into high, mid, and low tier in an ssbu tier list

Also Peach exists which is hand breakingly hard but is still a really good character

[warm lily]

Sheik is by far the easiest to play top tier and she’s only like 5th best or something

[sturdy orbit]

Then Ice Climbers are really hard but are only mid for ssbu

[rocky halo]

thats cap. take smash for example. shiek is high tier, but VERY difficult to play at top level. so is joker. there is tech and game mechcanics that simpler characters like ganon dont have acess too

[sturdy orbit]

I think we’re all three explaining the exact same concept lol

[warm lily]

Easy characters are only strong/top tier at the beginning of a game’s life when no one has put in enough time for the more difficult ones to shine

[ember heart]

While that's true, there are undeniable fighters at the top and bottom. Velma was 100% at the bottom before this new update, and wonder woman is definitely in the top tiers.

[warm lily]

This is why heavies in Smash are always seen as high tier initially and then drop to mid or low tier as the game progresses

[rocky halo]

people thought krool was broken at the beginning of smash ult

[sturdy orbit]

For MVS, I didn’t really consider the tier list before picking a character because the game is brand new, things will change

I picked Batman cause I heard he was like Fox and Shiek which I enjoy in smash

[warm lily]

Batman I feel will eventually become a top 5 1v1 character with more time put into him

But he’s not there yet

[sturdy orbit]

Probably but I just looked at him, went “he looks cool,” and bought him

[warm lily]

Yeah I means that’s fine

[ember heart]

Does batman have an infinite now? I don't play him but I swear someone almost had me in an infinite with him earlier

[warm lily]

I saw people doing cool stuff with him in beta and bought him

[warm lily]

No, but he probably has the best combo game when optimized

[sturdy orbit]

My main thing is don’t judge players for who they play or think they’re lesser because of who they play, there is always gonna be many factors

[warm lily]

I mean, VoiD was doing dash attack cancel with bat bomb into dash attack

And you can get so much more with more optimization

[ember heart]

I just made a simple joke at the beginning of this and it got taken too seriously lmao

[rocky halo]

this

[sturdy orbit]

Not wrong

[warm lily]

People are so quick to dismiss others for who they play

It’s really sad

The amount of people who come into Shaggy chat just to complain and pick fights with the other Shaggy players is insane

[rocky halo]

yea joke or not it wasnt cool.

[sturdy orbit]

I will admit I can get annoyed by certain playstyles but that isn’t my choice to make for other people

I’m not a fan of fighting bugs but they play who they play

Tho if you taunt or tbag with anyone, thats just not cool

[warm lily]

I mean, the most helpful thing I’ve found is to just ask for tips on how to beat x character

[ember heart]

Cry about it some more please 🙄

[warm lily]

This one I see a lot in the server

[sturdy orbit]

Its personal preference

[rocky halo]

smh. prayin for this ones growth.

[sturdy orbit]

Anyway, how did they make Velma better with the buffs?

This is still the Velma chat after all

[warm lily]

They did but didn’t

[ember heart]

You're legit acting like a snowflake over a simple joke that wasn't even offensive in the slightest lmao

[warm lily]

You can aim megaphone but the range is even lower

[sturdy orbit]

Please explain

[rocky halo]

she can combo her supmash from jab alot easier

[sturdy orbit]

Oh

[ember heart]

Her speech bubbles no longer have collision with platforms

[warm lily]

Yeah that one is huge because she just insta lost on any platform stage

[sturdy orbit]

Fair

Can she kills easier? From what I’ve heard that was one complaint

[rocky halo]

peace prayer and love, dude.

[rocky halo]

Y E S

[ember heart]

There was a glitch where clues wouldn't spawn after getting KOd, they fixed it now. Much easier to get the van now. But I think the van ai is bugged, everytime it grabs someone it just jumps around the platforms instead of going off the edge.

[warm lily]

Side b actually has knockback scaling now lmao

[rocky halo]

her up air kills alot eariler

[sturdy orbit]

Nice

[ember heart]

🫶

[sturdy orbit]

From what I’ve seen it may help to let her keep clues from one stock to another tho I have also played her for like a day

[rocky halo]

while i havent tested setups for side b, it does kill now!

[sturdy orbit]

Also experienced this myself and wow yeah that thing can kill early

[ember heart]

I suggest changing the bind for up air special to right trigger or something because it makes it a lot smoother to use

[rocky halo]

oh and ariel side b can be comboed from dair, to kill now

[sturdy orbit]

Nice

[rocky halo]

or at least reset nutreal

[ember heart]

I'm confused yall are saying side b but b is dodge

[warm lily]

Smash lingo

B is special in Smash

[sturdy orbit]

Side special

[ember heart]

Oh lmfao

I was like bro am I dumb or what is happening

Does velma have attacks I didn't know about???

[warm lily]

It’s just faster than typing “special” every time

[ember heart]

🤣

Got it I'll remember that from now on

[rocky halo]

if they dont tech out of the last hit of jab its a free heyy

at early percents

[warm lily]

Yeah, didn’t you know that if you beat 100 rift bosses with Velma, she gets her old megaphone from beta back?

[rocky halo]

two jab hits into early megaphone is amazing now that velmas projectiles work

[warm lily]

(Please don’t actually do that it’s not true)

[ember heart]

I never played Velma in beta, what was her old megaphone like?

[rocky halo]

sighs

[ember heart]

I only started using Velma when the game launched in May and everyone said she was the worst character

[rocky halo]

back in my day i could kill a man two neighborhoods away.

[ember heart]

Lmao

[vocal axle]

It's satisfying to hit her megaphone (more satisfying in beta)

[warm lily]

In beta, megaphone had like 3x the range, killed at like 100, had a beam that dealt damage while charging, applied a secondary massive beam for her allies that killed even earlier, and targeted the affected opponent for speech bubbles

Velma was nerfed several times in beta, but nothing nearly as insane as beta to relaunch

[ember heart]

Damn!!!

Glad she's more balanced now though that sounds absurd ngl

Not as absurd as certain fighters killing at 0 or having infinites but still

[warm lily]

Yeah I mean Velma was never very good in 1v1 because her close range tools were always mediocre

But she was easily the best 2v2 character with 7 of the top 8 at EVO 2022 having a Velma on their team

[leaden shell]

I’m gonna taunt, not because I wanna be toxic, but because I used my hard earned gleamium on a Velma dance and you expect me not to use it?

[warm lily]

I use the GG emote pretty frequently

I don’t view that one as offensive at all

[ember heart]

Nah that's the only non toxic one haha

[warm lily]

The applaud one is also not toxic

But I don’t want to spend the glemium on it

[sturdy orbit]

And what about tbagging?

Its mainly just spamming taunt that gets on my nerves

[warm lily]

Tbagging is usually offensive unless something funny happened or you’re in a ditto and you tbag match start

Match start tbagging is like the universal vibe check in every game without voice chat

But post match tbagging is always offensive

[desert roost]

I disagree. I too had fun with Velma even before the buff. But it was a struggle in matches. Some matches were impossible because of how good the opposing character was. Taking away even opposing characters. Some of Velma's moves were non-usable on stages with platforms which there are a considerable amount of. Having a move in your kit that actually is countered by terrain when other projectiles in the game travel through terrain is worthless and the cast time is already abysmal. You can adapt to your opponent but if your opponent has the ability to kill you at 60-70 with a kill confirm combo and you have no kill confirms and you just kill off stray hits at 140 or 150+ it doesn't matter how good of a player you are. You'll probably lose more than you win. Also Velma was one of THE worst characters in 1's and she was slightly above bad in 2's.

[glossy crow]

Fr bro shuts down all my support tactics with that bubble he has

[warm lily]

Black Adam after this patch is probably gonna be a top tier ngl

He was barely touched

[glossy crow]

Hurts to hear, he already annoying to deal with

[leaden shell]

The trick to beating black Adam is to somehow get the first stock and then get stuck inside of him

[warm lily]

Lmao

[weary stirrup]

So far I am liking the Velma changes!

[lament grail]

Everything is good. Except the megaphone nerf.

[muted holly]

100% winrate in 1s currently, cant complain ig

nvm no more 100%

batman is impossible matchup still

[glossy crow]

I hate Batman in this game everything he does is annoying

[muted holly]

yup braindead character that is uncontestable with velma

[wind marten]

Real before change that was my go to, but now its slugish and shorter

[dry fulcrum]

Batman i used to fight by spacing him out with megaphone and confirming him with camera and neutral special due to his low weight. Now it seems the best thing to do is hope for reads to still keep megaphone spacing and ring him out with ladder combos

[muted holly]

batman is too scary for a velma to go for ladders ngl

he can turn it around very easily

and half of velmas kit either doesnt hit his slide or gets outprioritized

[dry fulcrum]

yeah, terrible match-up ngl

[leaden shell]

All you rly can do is ladder lightbulb but it’s nearly impossible to get him into that

[ember heart]

I posted a crazy win against a batman and tagged the velma channel but idk if it actually notified you guys 🤔

He clearly killed me but I somehow survived and came back to trap him in the mystery machine and won

[rocky halo]

I think velmas sair should have a slightly bigger hitbox.

[leaden shell]

I disagree I think it’s fine

[desert roost]

Definitely not. Just choose between megaphone or flash light.

[subtle sundial]

Buff plz

[dry fulcrum]

all i want is for them to restore at least some of her lost range on Megaphone and speed up neutral special, she feels so bad now as essentially just a really bad assassin

[hallow fractal]

Personally velma feels great.

[robust siren]

i know, the range on the megaphone being cut really just made me realize how important it was

[glossy crow]

We can't let the devs know that we need more buffs 🤫🤫

[hallow fractal]

Lmao. Ummm..... I mean yeah... pls buff her....

In all seriousness i do wish her ice goo was something else.

[tame garden]

velmas goo could be stickier

[muted holly]

they should make her beam not count as a projectile tbh

it makes fighting double black adam litteraly impossible

[calm herald]

I wish they told us they nerfed the range on megaphone cause now megaphone doesnt feel as good because of the nerf, its what helped Velma be identified as a zoner without it being too op or too long ranged like beta beam (although I still prefer that one)

Plus I miss the word bubble combos we had cause now it just relies on if the opponent isnt smart enough to just dodge the next incoming one after the first one

Also ngl I miss that one combo from beta with was dair up special dair upspecial and so on, it wasnt an infinite I just dont remember the full combo

[hybrid nymph]

best I've gotten on relaunch Velma has been camera into lightbulbs

[desert roost]

I’ll take this megaphone over the one pre patch only because that one you couldn’t aim nor kill with it. This one actually kills before 165 center stage or on ledge. Beta beam was just too over powered. Full stage beam threat shouldn’t exist.

If they dodge the blurb you can read the dodge and punish them for it.

You can do some funky stuff like blurb into down air into like mega phone still tryna work some. Combos out myself.

[hybrid nymph]

I'm glad that her grab actually has a function now, even if it's only really useful in 2s

[boreal wharf]

Yeah I’m glad it works now before it would just grab them and do no damage and just drop them

Still think they could do more with the ice and grab tho they still kinda feel underwhelming

[lament grail]

It was pretty good before. Now to do a max charge and hit it, we must be pretty close to them.

Feels awful lol

[lament grail]

That's the funny part.
They say they want improve her zoning and actually make it good.

So we gained an unlisted megaphone range nerf.

[lament grail]

Megaphone did kill pré patch, by the way.

[boreal wharf]

I feel like Velma’s old megaphone could work to a certain extent if they just nerfed it in 2s and made it so you can’t just aim anywhere and it can’t be readjusted after charging it up to a certain point and maybe a slight nerf in range that’s just not full screen

[desert roost]

Definitely did not kill center stage pre 165%. You’re tripping.

[calm herald]

Pre patch megaphone was horrible at killing

[desert roost]

^

[calm herald]

Most of her kit was, up special was literally her only kill option basically

[desert roost]

I know it didn’t kill I’d hit people with it at 165+ and they would still live.

[muted holly]

thats because it isnt designed as a killing move

[calm herald]

I mean you could kill with other moves it would just be hard to

[desert roost]

But they made it one now, but shortened the range which is all I was saying is that I like. @muted holly

[calm herald]

The only other move I ever got kills out of was sair

And occasionally uair

[lament grail]

We have the grab to kill people now too. Plus camera and lightbulb. She's not short of options to kill targets.
And the megaphone range nerf hurts a lot.

[boreal wharf]

Just so jealous of Marvin and black adam their zone tools are just so much better than Velma’s

[muted holly]

yea it kills now but still its not really a killing move since uptilt/air are way better and consistent at sealing a kill

[wind marten]

Idk if its noted too but before shed still move while doing megaphone in air now she moves a little and gets stuck in place

[desert roost]

I consider it a killing move only because I can use it at ledge or center stage and someone be at like 100-120 and die. As opposed to 165+

[lament grail]

And since the range is so short, plus whiff lag and no way to cancel it, it is way safer to do... anything else to kill lol

[boreal wharf]

I would’ve been fine with this chance if they also didn’t nerf the overall range

[wind marten]

Agreed

[calm herald]

Ive noticed this as well, I thought they buffed the movement you had during megaphone??

[lament grail]

I noticed that too. She freezes a little bit.

[desert roost]

It’s a situation kill move absolutely but if yall not edge guarding with megaphone idk what yall doing 👀. That thing powerful. Being able to aim it makes it even better for KOing off stage now.

[calm herald]

Like the only reason I did good with megaphone pre patch was because of that buff so I could properly space

[lament grail]

If that was the case, we could actually move to make up for the range nerf. But this is not the case.

[calm herald]

Thats the best thing we have with it, another edge guard tool

I also find it funny how someone said the goo pile was also a edge guard tool but like...why??

[desert roost]

Frankly aiming megaphone and fixing blurbs is all I really needed. Everything else was icing on the cake

[calm herald]

It doesnt effect you really

[lament grail]

Edgeguarding is nice. But the lost range makes the megaphone only good at that. Since previously it was a good zoning tool too.

[muted holly]

it really depends on what character you're edgeguarding tbh, dtilt has a bigger reward generally if you hit it right

[boreal wharf]

I think the problem is PFG wants to keep Velma fairly easy to play/learn while maintaining balance and it’s just not working

[calm herald]

Now if this was beta when we had the freeze perk I could potentially see it

[muted holly]

right now velma is very easy to pick uo but hard to master

[calm herald]

Im still trying to master her

[desert roost]

It’s positional edge guarding. Someone going high you can’t dtilt them. And if they aren’t above you directly up air doesn’t work. So you just megaphone them instead.

[boreal wharf]

Only hard to master because she’s very underwhelming as a character tbh when she’s in a good spot compared to the rest of the characters then it will be a issue to everyone

[calm herald]

Most low tiers in fighting games are hard to master

I would know since I play a TON of low tiers

[muted holly]

mastering velma is harder then you think, it is pretty hard to optimally use your projectiles and get combos started off of them consistently, she has a pretty weak neutral game by design and can get rushed down easily if you dont know what you're doing with her

[calm herald]

Stripe and Black Adam suck to fight against

And also the dc heroes

[muted holly]

batman/harley are her hardest matchups tbh

[calm herald]

Harley I do fairly well against

[boreal wharf]

Black Adam is very annoying to play against

[calm herald]

Especially since you can hit her slide move now with megaphone

[muted holly]

black adam on 1s is actually pretty manageable, on 2s it is an absolute nightmare

[boreal wharf]

Just puts that stupid ass projectile blocking ability down and starts doing whatever he wants

[calm herald]

I cant really work around fighting Black Adam tbh

He just shuts down Velma way too easily with the projectile shield and his stupidly long disjoints

Plus Velma having slower moves doesnt help

[muted holly]

the main reason that makes that a problem is that the beam is counted as a projectile

[boreal wharf]

There will always be counter play in fighting games but why are you giving the character that counters the zoner better zone tools than the mage?

[calm herald]

My only saving grace for the mu is sair

Flashlight helps me a lot in most mus I cant do well in

[muted holly]

realest thing i saw in this server for a while

[calm herald]

RIGHT??? Like how is him and Marvin not mages?? Those guys got projectiles for days

[muted holly]

if you have a hard matchup just hope for 1 cheeky bubble nair combo loop

[calm herald]

Thats a combo?

[muted holly]

its hard to hit but yea its a 6 hit true combo on almost perfect positions

[boreal wharf]

Marvin still has somewhat low kill power so it balances out but yeah they are both still really good

[muted holly]

still only 20 something damage tho because velma

[calm herald]

Oh Velma whatever happened to you..

[muted holly]

the art of marvin is just having insane top blast zone snipes with uptilt/air

that move is honestly busted

[calm herald]

I feel like with Velma you have to have precise answers for what your opponent is going to do since her zoning is still fairly weak

Shes more of a prediction character and if your in that advantage state you can actually do whatever you want with zoning then if you can

[muted holly]

as a velma player you need to understand your opponent otherwise you will keep losing neutral over and over again

you cant react at all

[calm herald]

Which is why I hate the players who dont rematch

I need to know how they play so I can have a chanceto win

[boreal wharf]

I feel like they just buff her other abilities they could give her book the CD plus a 10% damage buff and projectile speed buff, they can just remove toxic concoction from the game or make it slow for 3 every second, buff her grey health back to 5 and just replace the grab with something useful

[muted holly]

if you're good enough then you can figure that out after 2-4 interactions

or atleast a general idea of how they want to approach, how they want to follow up and maybe even their go to dodge directions

or that might just be me because i played brawlhalla for over 3000 hours

[leaden shell]

That’s My most consistent but I feel better hitting a calculated into bulb

[sturdy orbit]

Nah you definitely can it just takes practice

[hybrid nymph]

despite having projectiles, Marvin has to be kind of aggressively in your face. the projectiles are more for setups than true zoning

[sturdy orbit]

Can agree with this, someone like Samus in smash isn’t built to just camp, she is built to use her projectiles for comboes and set ups

[robust siren]

Van is starting to feel useless it has like no hp and barely works

[bold trellis]

is joker not the same?

[boreal wharf]

Van after being on the literal edge but deciding to go all the way on the other side then turn back around 🔥

[bold trellis]

The police wouldnt do that

[robust siren]

Real

[subtle sundial]

I play with velma and i see shaggy superman im cooked velma is kinda slow

[muted holly]

superman is actually a pretty decent matchup tbh

especially if you're running armor break

[lament grail]

Camera screws him already.

[robust siren]

Its really ez to land speech bubbles on him since hes insanely slow

[subtle sundial]

Yeah but Superman just spam jump all the time

[boreal wharf]

finally got my 5 star ring outs for velma

[wide wigeon]

Best perks for Velma 1s and 2s

I've been trying out and enjoying Velma recently

[muted holly]

for 2s i like to run knowledge is power, flammable, collateral damage and armor breaker

on 1s you have alot of different builds you could go for as long as you use knowledge is power and flammable

[boreal wharf]

For 2s I use speed force assist, snowball effect and flammable or pugilist

[wide wigeon]

Thanks guys

[desert roost]

Does collateral damage only work for like the side walls or does the floor(stage) count.

[muted holly]

it works on walls floor soft platforms and even things like the basketball hoops

the perk became very good for velma after the beam change

[desert roost]

I was under the impression that it was only structures. Noted. Thank you.

[robust siren]

Is it me or did they fix the van?? like it actually works how its supposed to now

[tidal onyx]

Should I use armor breaker as Velma?

[desert roost]

That or the armor destroyer mmhmm.

[muted holly]

in 2s i recommend using it yea

in 1s you dont get as much value out of it tbh

[leaden shell]

I have a loadout with it in case I go up against a Superman or WW but beyond that nah

[dry fulcrum]

in ones its very rare you fully charge one of
your attacks

[muted holly]

oh were talking bout armor crush?

well thats not that usefull of a perk tbh

armor killer is better as a supporting perk

but you shouldnt use either of them in 1s

only 2s

[boreal wharf]

nah my van still be going back and forth for some reason

[boreal wharf]

please just remove the van man i'm tired of it just jumping off the map and going side to side when they are 100+

[leaden shell]

Ok but there’s no downside to it

[weary stirrup]

Jab jab uptilt needs to be true on the whole cast not just some

[dry fulcrum]

as i've said before we really lost a lot for very little. we lost 2 confirms and our best keepaway tools just for some better consistency on things we already had and a slightly better neutral game. the only parts that feel like true improvements were the bug fixes

[weary stirrup]

Since last patch? I’m liking her more with this patch

[dry fulcrum]

dunno, guess its just me then. she still feels very bad as someone who has been playing her nonstop the last 3 days

[weary stirrup]

She’s not great but feels better to me than on release. Really wish that jab1,2 uptilt was true on everyone tho

Camera upair kills are fun

[leaden shell]

which confirms did we lose exactly?

[dry fulcrum]

megaphone into megaphone, 3 neutral special into blastzone

[leaden shell]

I’m sorry no way was that a confirm

Between megaphone 2 and bubble one you have a full second to get out easily

[dry fulcrum]

i was listing two seperate confirms

megaphone into megaphone killed horizontially with a read

[leaden shell]

Oh I’m stupid my fault

[dry fulcrum]

neutral special with its old speed could kill characters like Harley and Batman whr spammed

[leaden shell]

I won’t rly miss 3 neutral special

Megaphone I do miss

It’s harder to string it with less range even if you can angle it

[weary stirrup]

What peeps rocking as sig perk?

[robust siren]

ive been using the grey health one or well rounded

[weary stirrup]

Yee grey health one seems pretty good

[muted holly]

its the only viable one

[lament grail]

It is not just you. The megaphone nerf hurts a lot.

[muted holly]

i think it feels way better now

you can get bubble nair bubble nair far more consistent now

[glossy crow]

How many is that?

[tame garden]

should just let us hit it like watermelon steven

[desert roost]

I wouldn't say she feels very bad in comparison to where she was before these buffs. She definitely feels much better. I'd say she feels OK.

[orchid rampart]

Low-key buff ground up b and both side Bs

Dash attack too ngl

[dry fulcrum]

book is fine but could be a little better. its a nice movement option, and can kill on a read at high percents. grounded side b is just unfixable

dash attack is really decent as a ledge kill, can be used to punish and can be an approach tool with the right read

[leaden shell]

Book literally cannot kill and ground side B is very fixable what are you on about

[dry fulcrum]

book kills as a punish in the same way that camera can. not extremely common but it can happen

[leaden shell]

I think it’s not worth using it to try and kill, but that’s fine because it’s not meant to be a kill move, I just wish it was a little better as a buff move

[dry fulcrum]

never said it was that great, i agree it needs extra work. but compared to a lot of Velma's other buttons its not the worst

[boreal wharf]

2.5k

[dry fulcrum]

at a little over 2.2k. we nearing it baybeeee

[orchid rampart]

Book needs to go farther and maybe get like a thing where it can kill at 140 or smth like that, ground side b needs a full on rework

Dash attack needs a lower hitbox and angle

Speech bubble feels like it gets beat out by a lot of random stuff, idk if I'm correct on this but maybe make it a medium level projectile if it already isn't, since it's most of her kit

Ground up b needs a rework too, air up b could like a little buff but that's not needed

A better ground speed would be nice if they wanted to go the extra mile

[orchid rampart]

how I would make Velma a viable, but not busted character ^

[muted holly]

as a top eu velma player id say she needs the following
-speech bubbles need to take sharper turns
-book cooldown should be reduced and/or should be given a replacement attack when on cooldown
-dtilt needs either less recovery or less startup, either should work fine. maybe a little extra range on charge?
-air side special needs a slightly longer hitbox
-ground up special should apply ice faster

[boreal wharf]

Idk why the behavior of the projectiles is sort of off still they seem to follow the enemies and circle around them for no reason until they disappear

[muted holly]

yea its annoying and it keeps messing up my combo opportunities

[boreal wharf]

Gotta love having someone literally outside of the stage while my projectile continues to hover over them 🔥

[robust siren]

ground up special should be slightly bigger and definitely shouldn’t take fifteen ticks all it really does is slow people down with the way it is now

[muted holly]

i mean it could recieve a buff but its not necessary tbh, its being used wrongly in 2v2

if you have a good teammate that uses its supportive side then its an acxtually pretty good move

wait nvm im talking bout the wrong move

dont mind

my dyslexic side kicked in again

[robust siren]

oh lol i was confused for a second with the 2v2 thing what move were u talking about??

[muted holly]

ground side special

dont mind its not the first time i start yapping about something random for the same reason

but about up special, i dont think it needs a bigger hitbox, it just needs to be there and be threatening to enter

not just something you can simply walk trough and act like nothing happened

[dry fulcrum]

grounded side special is just a button i never press because its complete death on whiff, the only time its ever an advantagous move is on hit at high percents

the fact that the startup is so long and telegraphable doesnt help on a character who already struggles on being slow and telegraphable

[leaden shell]

You don’t have to charge it anymore so it has a few more uses

Like you aren’t as dependent bc it goes faster than it used to

[neon ore]

Nerf Velma she's so broken

[boreal wharf]

So true man

[orchid rampart]

That is true

Maybe make side B kill early if charged up

Too

[orchid rampart]

And buff the damage it deals if you come in contact with it while your team is grabbef

[muted holly]

thing is side special was never intended as a finishing move

its a way of repositioning yourself and dealing damage on the way to it

+in 2v2 you get the abillity to give armor to your mate

thats a thing thats forgotten alot

[leaden shell]

Side special is in a good place rn

Like obviously it’s terrible in most situations but it’s a situational ability

Or the projectile protect perk should apply while in it. Bc you are on ground and moving sooooo

[unique pond]

Does velma even have anything going for her?

[leaden shell]

Fun kit and unique moveset

And she’s cute

[robust siren]

And has good skins

[dry fulcrum]

i use Velma cuz she's so absurdly silly, no character quite like her exists in any other plat fighter, she's like if Little Mac fused with Palutena

[robust siren]

Lmao i never thought of it like that she is kinda like them

[calm herald]

She reminds me of Isabelle and Villager from Smash Bros in the senze they use the most funny tools to fight with and their all zoners

[leaden shell]

Honestly she just feels most like her character out of anyone

The rest have movesets based on their characters ig, but Velma feels like they took her directly out of the shows and said “fight people or die” and she just pulled out all the random stuff she had in her backpack.

[orchid rampart]

fr

I like velma bcause she is a more "calculated" character > just insane execution

but she needs better buttons

buffing air side b and bubble would go insanelly hard

[hybrid nymph]

she's got the biggest range on a non-cooldown move, and it also buffs your ally if you hit them with it

she's not great in 1's, but she's decently good in 2's when you're able to stand behind a tank/bruiser and spam megaphone

basically, she's the one true support

[unique pond]

the move is still pretty bad tho 😭

[hybrid nymph]

disagree

i think it's very useful for helping an ally escape pressure for example.

the main thing I think is learning to not charge it any more than you need to. try getting used to the semi-charge range/timing instead of going for full charge.

[unique pond]

yea but even if u mastered that theres just no range

[hybrid nymph]

idk what you even mean then

[hybrid nymph]

to add onto this, she gets full range before the move automatically releases at max charge time. so you should be timing your release before the circular charge graphic disappears, otherwise you're just sitting there holding the attack for no reason and artificially giving yourself more starting lag

[leaden shell]

I feel like you’re just a hater

You always come in here like “is Velma a worthless piece of garbage” and someone’s like “no she has utility in these attacks” and you’re just like “ok but she’s worthless and garbage”

[unique pond]

Honestly might be

I wanna like her

But I just don’t enjoy her kit

I loved playing as her before the nerf and wanna like her again

[winter fog]

to whoever designed the beach volleyball skin for velma

thank you

[muted holly]

these goofy ahh glasses ruined the skin

[orchid rampart]

than play something else?!?!?!

no amount of buffs are going to make you enjoy her if you dont like her overwall kit

[unique pond]

well im trying to enjoy iy

[winter fog]

nahh, i like em

[muted holly]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[queen finch]

Fellas the beach volleyball skin can now be purchased for 800 Glemium

Not restricted to the bundle anymore

[upper plaza]

Is Velma In A Playable State Rn? I’ve Seen Her In Some Gameplay And She Looks Really Fun To Play.

[sturdy orbit]

She’s playable, not super good but at least decent

[muted holly]

in 1s she is awfull but atleast kinda usable if you're goodenough with her.
in 2s she has some uses but as a support character, not a mage.

[upper plaza]

Alright, Cause From Stuff I’ve Seen She Seems A lot More Playable Than Jake ATM.

[muted holly]

they are kinda similar in how strong they are, but velma only works in 1 mode whilst jake can be used in both and have succes quite easily

[upper plaza]

Does Velma Struggle With Combo’s Too?

[muted holly]

she doesnt have alot of them

she has a few true combos

but her main true damage building combo requieres some insane setup

[upper plaza]

Oh Alright, I Mean It Sounds Better Than Only Having Bite And “””””Up Special At High Percents”””””” Though I Can’t Lie.

[muted holly]

jake is a read heavy character, he doesnt have that many truoe combos but relies more on dodge reads

but idk that much about him

[upper plaza]

Yeah, Jake Is Heavy On Reads But Doesn’t Get Much Out Of His Reads .

It’s Funny, He’s In Such An Awful State That Most Of The Time In Character Chats With Him, We Just Dont Even Discuss What You Can Do With Him Because There’s Barely Anything That Isn’t Surface Level.

He’s In Such A Fundamentally Broken State Rn.

But That’s Besides The Point. Velma Looks Fun, Might Play Her, Thanks For The Info.

[muted holly]

npnp

[dry fulcrum]

in 1s Velma is probably still the worst character in the game, pretty much the only character in the cast with no real combo game to speak of, needing to rely entirely on reads to rack up damage and kill. on top of all of her moves still being very slow and zoning capabilities kneecapped after the patch just put her in a really bad position. the main way you win now is by stretching advantage via Mystery Machine and your now very limited zoning game and camera. though even this strategy is flawed as Mystery Machine has an extremely slow startup and most good players know how to get rid of it if you just throw it out, plus with her being very light and slow if you lose that advantage you play all game to obtain disadvantage can very quickly snowball into a loss

Its either her or Jake, both of which are in the same state of "we're bad because PFG doesn't know what to do with us"

[upper plaza]

That’s Really Sad Honestly, I Feel Like She Has A lot Of Potential As A Fun Character If She Was Buffed.

She Really Is A lot More Like Jake Then I Thought.

[muted holly]

she is fun just extremely bad

she has multiple impossible to win matchups ahem batman

once you get thrown in the air against batman you lose your stock

simple as that

[misty dew]

playing Velma in this game is like being addicted to crack

you know it's bad for you but you just can't stop

[boreal wharf]

She’s fun to play in twos thankfully

[misty dew]

yah she is, I've actually been enjoying twos since the patch

[misty dew]

I swear she has the worst disadvantage in the whole game

like being in the air is bad in general for every character in this game but at least they have actual mobility that helps them get out of disadvantage

Velmas kinda just cooked when she runs out of air dodges

[boreal wharf]

I mean book kinda helps and camera can help but it can be very situational

[misty dew]

true, I just wish the startup on these moves were a little faster

[boreal wharf]

Nah a move like camera should never have a faster startup imo

[misty dew]

getting punished because side b didn't come out in time is very fun 🔥

[boreal wharf]

That is unfortunate tbh I don’t think Velma is meant to have a lot of presence in the air or it’s not what PFG wants sadly

[muted holly]

and to make matters worse, her dodge meter doesnt regen that fast because half er moves dont for some reason

[obsidian owl]

doesnt marvin jab 3 go farther

cuz jab 3

[muted holly]

it goes way farther

[robust siren]

book always come in clutch most of the time and sometimes it accidentally lands since its such a weird move

[misty dew]

yeah Idk I think I just have a love hate relationship with that move lmao

like I think it's good and definitely her best landing option, but like good in a bad way lol

[queen finch]

Book either is: Completely useless
Or
Gets a kill randomly when I don’t expect it

[rocky halo]

need seven more stars in this rift, anyone care to assist?

[leaden shell]

I love how fast it comes out, I hate how you only get it three times per game

[languid tapir]

I just wish the book was stronger
The book itself can lead to cool combos and has cooldown reduction, but can be pretty usless in 1v1's because of it's pitiful damage and knockback

[tidal onyx]

Tips against black Adam

Lol I keep getting cooked by him

[muted holly]

Accept loss

Litteral impossible matchup

He can completely make your projectiles useless and kill you in 45% centerstage, nothing you can do to win

[queen finch]

You can now purchase the matrix code variant separately from the bundle

[leaden shell]

Sometimes you’ll get lucky and black Adam will forget he has a projectile shield, this has happened to me multiple times and that’s rly your only hope against him

[boreal wharf]

didn't know WW could take her teammate out of van if she uses shield lol

[muted holly]

another day, another velma bug

[boreal wharf]

idk if it's a bug but it's fs dumb that she can literally just take her teammate out of van fullscreen

[muted holly]

it probably is a bug tbh

as it wouldnt make sense to be able to get a teamate out instantly exclusively on ww

and there are way to many velma bugs out there currently so

[boreal wharf]

fair

[boreal wharf]

been seeing more velma players in 2s seems like a bit more people are actually playing her

[muted holly]

havent seen a singular one in weeks ngl

except for myself then

[robust siren]

is anyone else losing their mind fighting batman

[muted holly]

yep

one of the multiple impossible matchups

[atomic otter]

Velma needs a rework ngl

[muted holly]

she just needs major buffs

and maybe a rework on down special

[atomic otter]

I don’t mind the cool down as long as it resets all cooldowns

[muted holly]

1 whole minute of playing with a move less then your opponent is a huge handicap

[atomic otter]

#combos message Velma speed glitch

[muted holly]

That one is known for quite a while now

But we haven't found any real use for it

[atomic otter]

Oh I haven’t seen it

[atomic otter]

True it is kinda wack

[muted holly]

Not worth running air walker just for that

[leaden shell]

I usually get some sillly stuff going off of it

Back when it worked for me

[robust siren]

Does airwalker velma even work?? ive never thought of that

[leaden shell]

I get some mediocre value with it but I mostly do it for funny

And since my second perk slot is usually useless anyway. If I’m at the point where I’m above 100 damage weakened isn’t gonna matter bc I’ll have van or be able to ladder them and the others suck

[muted holly]

i use collateral damage as my second perk

[boreal wharf]

lol my van went under the map and no one else could spawn once they died

[muted holly]

another day, another velma bug

[atomic otter]

Is there any good Velma that could give me tips on how to win?

[atomic otter]

In 1v1s btw causeway don’t play 2s

[dry fulcrum]

okay so:

jab is easily your best spacing tool, you can string together a lot with jab and some good reads. dont spam it due to the high whiff lag but its still one of your best buttons

Flashlight is your main punish to approaches cuz it does good damage, knocks back a decent chunk and gives you clues

don't just throw out Mystery Machine, wait for a good chance to use it where it could see value, its super telegraphable due to the long startup and easy to get rid of the van

[atomic otter]

Yes now imma win all my Velma 1v1s

😈

[robust siren]

btw u kinda want to position the van facing the edge if your opponent is infront of it, if you dont or if you mess it up it’ll just go into the middle of the stage again

[cursive tendon]

nah ground side b should just go entirely and either let you use a variant of air side b but on the ground or just a new move

alternatively allowing the move to be canceled would be nice

[cursive tendon]

pick a better character

[boreal wharf]

There is no better character

[orchid rampart]

Literally 80% of the roster

[boreal wharf]

Velma is the best!!!

[atomic otter]

At being the worst

[boreal wharf]

At being Velma!!!

[orchid rampart]

Not a lot of competition

[desert roost]

If up tilt hit inside her body that would be nice lol

[misty dew]

every other character in this game gets huge hotboxes while velmas are still extremely unforgiving

agent smith is the most recent beneficiary of this oh my god that character is horrid to play against

[dry fulcrum]

aerial side special and aerial up special feel like their hitboxes should be like 1.5x bigger than they currently are

they are so tiny its impossible to hit them without a really good read

[muted holly]

and dtilt should be larger when charged

[desert roost]

I do think she loses a lot of punish potiental due to how much lag her moves have in comparison to the rest of the cast.

[desert roost]

Idk if anyone else has noticed or had this encounter. But if someone does a parry on your mystery machine it won't capture them.

[muted holly]

a simple dodge already messes the van up

[misty dew]

this is why her advantage state blows so much lol someone can just mash and beat out all of her frame 70 start up moves

[dry fulcrum]

hit five star ringouts as Velma, god help me

[boreal wharf]

Glad you joined the club we will never stop

[dense marsh]

Finna be honest with you guys, I have a soft spot playing Velma. Her nair is basically Jake's but can also be used on the ground

The van is also funny since it's almost granted a stock loss when it catches you.

[desert roost]

Yup. Anyone in the cast is able to punish her for landing her supposed “advantage state” it’s quite bad. Like you down air Wonder Woman and she can just punish you for it lol. So you have to potentially read the air dodge in and reverse fair

[muted holly]

to me her biggest problem is not being able to punish anything

like a shaggy for example can whiff 2 moves by the time your punish comes out

[dry fulcrum]

i have had so many situations where i've read both exactly what my opponent will do and where they will be, but still lost the exchange due to either being too slow or her hitboxes being too whimpy. she just doesnt feel great often

[muted holly]

yup had that happen alot of times too

her attacks are about as slow as jasons and iron giants attacks but we get a 10x smaller hitbox

peak game balancing

[cursive tendon]

it’s about time I join this

any perk ideas for this character? i’m currently running

flammable
the 100 knock back one
and pugilist

[dense marsh]

I recommend swapping Last Stand for Speed Force or 2 fast 2 block since Velma lacks armor breakers.

Otherwise it's the recommended build for her

Studied and Well Rounded should be her sig perks to be used as well since the grey health is barley noticeable

[cursive tendon]

yeah i thought so too, i like the extra evidence since it’s hard enough already and i’ve gotten (rarely) kills with van

[dense marsh]

Having one piece of evidence already collected changes everything from how it's hard to go for them when you're being targeted since you're the zoner

[leaden shell]

I could not disagree with you more

You can learn to get enough evidence for van easy enough

I consistently get it 2 or 3 times each game

3 gray Health per evidence adds up to like 30 if you get 10 evidence which imo is a lot

Also I find speedforce useless in general

[muted holly]

sig perk: knowledge is power
first perk: flammable (necessary)
second perk: i like to run collateral damage because a lot of combos / setups start from dair but you could run something else
third perk: armor killer (2s) / pugilist (1s)

[muted holly]

never use studied, the van is very bad in its current state so its not worth using studied at all

[cursive tendon]

can i fight your velma 1v1?

[cursive tendon]

its more so inconsistent i’d say, one game i got a kill with it TWICE!! it just has a high chance of either being destroyed or not holding them for long

at least it doesn’t just run off the map anymore LMAOOO

[muted holly]

are you eu?

[muted holly]

if the opponent dodges the van once then it wont capture anymore

and it gets destroyed easily

and the ai does the weirdest things sometimes

and setting it up is almost impossible against good players, especially on 1s

[leaden shell]

Either way 1 evidence is never gonna make a difference with the van

[muted holly]

thats also true

conclusion: useless perk

[boreal wharf]

I feel like they could add the 6 evidence back idk if it’d be that strong

The grey health was nice

[dapper quest]

bro tf do you do against the mystery van lmao

1v1ing a velma,got a huge 90 or so damage difference, they summon the mystery van and kill me at 13 dmg with no way to struggle out or anything

[boreal wharf]

You can struggle out of it tho and if you dodge you should be ok

[dapper quest]

alr ill see next time than

[boreal wharf]

Just mash buttons but if you are on 90+ you are most likely dead

[cursive tendon]

oh i guess it’s one of those things like marvin flag where if ur opponent knows, ur done

but i’ve had some nice luck so far

[cursive tendon]

and no NA

[atomic otter]

I dropped Velma ☹️

I kept losing to dog ass players I know I could beat on my main

Yall don’t know that feeling man. Every time

[cursive tendon]

lemme fight youuuuAaaa

[leaden shell]

At 13 damage if it kills you that’s just on you to be honest you get out of it in 2 seconds at that damage

[dapper quest]

idk what i was doing wrong bro was going wild on that keyboard action the timer was noot tickinf down lmao

[muted holly]

Yea a 1v1 might be hard to do then

[cursive tendon]

were not in beta anymore i don’t think that’s an issue

[muted holly]

Haven't tried cross regions yet

Who knows it might actually be playable

Anyways that will have to wait till tomorrow cuz it's well past midnight here

[cursive tendon]

okkk 🎀

[muted holly]

You gotta remind me tho because my tiny brain will most likely forget

[robust siren]

Yeah im starting to get into my beta main taz again + agent smith, shes fun to use but she really does suck sometimes

[atomic otter]

Yea she really does

I like her moveset it’s really unique

But what are they doing with her hitstuns

🤦‍♂️

[neon ore]

For the love of god PLEASE gut Velma she's way too strong

[dapper quest]

velma should immedietly implode when she gets over 100 dmg ^^^^^^^^

[neon ore]

Velma should immediately implode when she spawns in

[dapper quest]

20% chance of spawning in 80% chance she implodes and looses all 3 stocks

[neon ore]

🔥 balancing

[leaden shell]

She should have a feature where she loses all of her weight after using her attacks!!!!!

[boreal wharf]

W bait

[boreal wharf]

Will no longer say GG or emote after winning I will crawl to assert dominance

[weary delta]

Can we please get Velma's up attack extened down

[boreal wharf]

I assume Velma projectiles attack mojo jojo because he’s registered as an enemy on that map?

[rancid rivet]

I’d still advocate for her siren to have its range extended again. Was a great part of her kit for juggling.
Other than that she is pretty solid.
Her bubble and speech attacks I feel almost back to when they dominated everyone

[boreal wharf]

The projectile behavior is my only complaint with it rn tbh they just follow enemies around a lot of the time without hitting them and just circle around them for some weird reason

[rancid rivet]

[rancid rivet]

👍

[dapper quest]

yeah you can even farm lebron balls off him lmao

[muted holly]

from what i have seen it always targets mojo jojo when your projectile is redirected by an ally

which is insanely annoying

[dapper quest]

avarage mojo moment

can we just kill that guy

[cursive tendon]

i also forgot 🙃

As crap as velma is, i noticed my general gameplay improving

like waiting for dodge reads is essential and I can really take it slow and learn behaviors now which is crucial for any character

“Play the person, not the character” ☝️😌

[muted holly]

oh yeah right, i have time in like an hour or so if you still want

[cursive tendon]

nice okkkk just dm me ur ign

[muted holly]

@cursive tendon dms

[dry fulcrum]

I just pulled off the most ungodly clutch, beat a Black Adam with over 3.5k wins on the character as Velma, my god that was intense

[muted holly]

that adam should just uninstall then

impossible to lose matchup lmao

[cursive tendon]

devoured

[dry fulcrum]

just had a game with the defintion of "outplaying the opponent", was against a Finn, i took two of his stocks off by reading his attempts to overextend into aerial side special which were high enough on stage to confirm, and then the last stock was by slowing down the pace of the match enough to Mystery Machine, which he then got grabbed by in the middle of the air

[muted holly]

88.9% in ones currently, starting to get the feel of her bubble combos

[dry fulcrum]

Its super discouraging to keep playing the game when despite how much i play exclusively this character and finally feel as if i'm "getting it" to constantly deal with loss streaks one after another after another, my winrate at this point is usuallly in the 45-60 range

[muted holly]

never had my winrate on velma that low, maybe you're playing her wrong? if you have some games for me to watch then i could maybe help out.

[dry fulcrum]

dont know how to save matches unfortunately

[muted holly]

do you have geforce shadowplay?

or anything else to record with

[dry fulcrum]

dont think i do

[muted holly]

hmm yea getting footage will be hard like that

maybe this can help you out, certainly not my best games but they could give you a general idea of my gameplan that has been working for me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOjyAlq6bDQ

[desert roost]

They need to speed up "hey" and blurbs

[muted holly]

they need to make velma in general viable

she has no good zoning tools for being a zoner

like any character with a slide can freely aproach because she cant hit them

[leaden shell]

She needs more combos, I think the way to do that is speeding up the transition between her attacks. Her megaphone takes to long to take out and even then has no initial range. Calculated can combo into things but the move takes so long to start. She can’t hit the ground from the ground too which is a problem. All her moves have insane whiff times

[muted holly]

only useful combos she has are extremely inconsistent or dont hit on smaller characters

like all bubble combos are insanely rely on insane timings and position and then you still have to pray that the opponent doesnt simply dodge the bubble

and another problem, she cant land like at all

you always have to put yourself in disadvantage after thrown in the air

[desert roost]

Idk. Blurbs just seem lack luster compared to other projectiles in the game.

The "hastened" affect from getting blurbs is not game assistingfrom what I have seen.

[muted holly]

bubbles should take some better paths

thats all that move needs

maybe less startup

and maybe faster marking bubble

and idk if yall have noticed already but half her moves dont recharge her dodge meter

[desert roost]

The paths are terrible. Like I'll be standing right next to my teammate and it goes straight into the ground.

[muted holly]

yup, ive resorted to primitive tactics of purposely shooting in the wrong direction just so it doesnt crash into the ground for no reason

but that makes them insanely slow

[desert roost]

Right. Which leaves you quite vuleranble.

[muted holly]

and another problem, mark goes away so quickly

can only get 1 setup attempt in (if even any) before its gone and i have to try and mark the opponent again

and the marking bug doesnt help with that

[calm herald]

Hoping we get Velma buffs tomorrow

I havent been able to pla for a few weeks due to performance issues on xbox

[dapper quest]

probably going to have some very heavy balance changess considering how much the community has been complaining

[robust siren]

i haven’t touched velma in a while i hope they do her some justice tmrw

[neon ore]

I hope they nerf her tomorrow

[desert roost]

So mystery machine doesn't hop on platforms and practically dies after being on the stage too long.

Also what is the point of landing down air or flash light if we can't punish off of it and get punished instead. It's ridiculous. The charge time for even reading someone and trying to punish with either one is absurd.

[calm herald]

Those buffs havent really done Velma any justice like genuinely

I miss how the laser used to be in beta where we could cancel it and still get some damage over time off it if we aimed it on the opponent

Also the speech bubble amount being reduced wouldve been fine if Vel.a wasnt this gutted

[desert roost]

They have made her less non playable, but she still doesn't play well in 1's in the slightest. 1v1's feel sooo hard. It's literally an up hill battle even when you are in the lead.

[calm herald]

But no we can barely even combo off those anymore because of how slow she is and how the system changed somewhat

I get she was op back in beta cause even I can agree to that but this was too much

Plus our kill options are limited due to how minimal our knockback is on most moves

Up air special is our best bet but even thats hard to hit

They really have no reason to nerf her right now after all that has been done to make her the worst character still

I wish the "hey!" Speech bubble could track opponents in 1v1s only

That way we'd have proper setups and speaking of increase the timer of the target it feels way too short to get a combo off it after the speech bubble hits

[desert roost]

Definintely still the worst mage in this game by far.

[dry fulcrum]

i miss how it was on release where the range was long enough to confirm on ledge or actually keep space between you and the opponent

[desert roost]

I just don't like all the startup/cast time on all of her moves it's terrible.
Flash Light
Megaphone
Toxic Goop(which never freezes anyone)
Blurbs
Her Jab

[dry fulcrum]

all of her moves are death on whiff, the average Velma punish with dodge gague on the opponent is like a jab or possible a small 30-40% combo if you can read, while the opponent can do so much to you

now that the "ooh shiny" factor of her buffs wore off i can say for certain that Velma still sucks, on both formats maybe even

[desert roost]

Yeah, there is no reason to play this character in 1's. You're kinda just asking to piss yourself off lol.

[boreal wharf]

She’s playable in 2s but it’s definitely noticeable how challenging it is against good players who most times know the matchup

[calm herald]

I hate the players who t-bag on Velma because their getting screwed over because they know the Velma matchup

Like..cool?? You winning against the worst character you want a cookie??

[neon ore]

You don't understand

Have you TRIED playing Velma with troll tactics?

Has it even crossed your mind to do something like that?

Tbh, one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life

Behind like

Everything else

[muted holly]

honestly, i just play her in 1s to assert dominance

[muted holly]

worst thing about that is the fact that its almost always someone using an S-tier character

anyways, some things i want to see changed.
-jab: hit more downwards, less endlag on miss.
-dtilt: less startup and endlag on miss.
-utilt/uair: more killing power in later percents.
-nattack/nair: revert the range nerf, reduced charging time for medium range beams.
-sair: less knockback on medium percents.
-dair: larger hitbox downwards or another way of giving it more priority, less endlag

• (air) nspecial: grounded nspecial same unload speed as aerial, faster projectile speed for the marking bubble, better paths for actual bubbles
  -sspecial: more priority, less endlag on hit.
  -(air) dspecial: less cooldown, 30 seconds could be fair for the trade of weakening its buff?
  -uspecial: wider area of effect, faster applying of ice stacks
  -air sspecial: longer hitbox.
  -air uspecial: hitbox more downwards.

[desert roost]

Playing troll does what for me exactly? I like being able to out play my opponent and win. Being rewarded for reads and predictions. Thats what brings me joy! Lol

[desert roost]

I fight Batman’s and jokers like…yall should win this MU lol. Its like -2 for Velma

[muted holly]

some people are just somehow extremely bad with such an easy and strong character as joker

and then if they get a win against the better player because they have a free matchup, they tbag and spam salt taunt

[neon ore]

There is a special kind of joy you'll get from winning with tt

[muted holly]

guess what guys

balance patch only nerfed us

[tidal onyx]

What

Wait where are the patch notes?

[muted holly]

https://multiversus.com/en/news/2-0-season-2-patch-notes

some van thingie that got changed

nothing else

[tidal onyx]

We got ignored again

💔

[neon ore]

It's because Velma is fine in 2s

[muted holly]

she is still bottom 1 in there

all other mages do what she does but way better

[robust siren]

Man i was really bout to pick her back up after the patch notes 😞

[leaden shell]

I mean it’s technically a bug fix

[muted holly]

dw i shall represent us velma mains and sacrifice my sanity for master rank with her in 1s

[leaden shell]

It just means we can’t pick up 2 people in our van at once which never rly happened to me anyway

But it’s insane they didn’t buff her like actually insane

[carmine dune]

van nerf is insane

[muted holly]

i mean yea its a fix but the fix technically nerfed it

so many things needed to be buffed yet they didnt touch a single move

[leaden shell]

Ok but can yall rly say that picking up 2 people in your van was something you managed to do ever?

[muted holly]

yea

like quite a few times actually

[leaden shell]

Shocked tbh

Maybe I just don’t play enough 2v2

[muted holly]

could be

[misty dew]

man just looking at the notes and seeing a bunch of characters that didn't really need buffs get buffs is hurtful lmao

sick van bug fix though that's what we really needed 🔥💯💯 🤑

[muted holly]

yes

banger patch

i can assert more dominance now by playing bottom tier on my way to masters 🔥

defence in general has also been nerfed so thats another problem

[weary delta]

Velma should be able to smack the Mystery Machine around to try and catch people

[muted holly]

or the mystery machine should not be drunk

like its trying to catch the voices in its head sometimes

[leaden shell]

I think the mystery machine having startup lag is fair but Velma standing still the whole time is crazy still

If you’re against someone good who can get across the map fast you might as well not use it

[muted holly]

1 dodge counters the van btw

its not even treathening

[dapper quest]

did we just get a velma nerf or am i missing something

[desert roost]

You can also parry the van

[muted holly]

small bugfix/2v2 nerf

whatever you wanna call it

[desert roost]

We got nothing substantial. Still worst mage in the game.

[dapper quest]

and no buffs, crazy lmao

[muted holly]

wont stop me from getting masters on velma in both modes

i will sacrifice my sanity

[desert roost]

Oh heavens no won’t stop me playing ranked. Although getting masters in 1’s will prove difficult lol.

[muted holly]

i am beyond the point of no return

[leaden shell]

Who’s excited to be top 100 Velma’s!!!

[muted holly]

every velma main is top 100 probably

[leaden shell]

Yessss so exciting

[muted holly]

i am serious about the masters thing btw

i will do it no matter how long it takes

[misty dew]

I'm also extremely committed to getting there lmao

[muted holly]

also on velma?

[misty dew]

even though I know it's going to be super unfun

[atomic otter]

How yall Velma mains feeling about the buffs

Velma Is no longer bottom 5 no more

Epic buff

[misty dew]

yuppp

I literally don't play anyone else in this game lol

[muted holly]

my dissapointment is immeasurable, my day is ruined

[muted holly]

goat

[leaden shell]

I cAnt believe they replaced her up special freeze goop with a wall of flames that incinerates the enemy in 4 stacks

[atomic otter]

I really wanted to play Velma but her potential is very limited ngl. Let her have some hitstun wtf, but their too busy removing cooldowns on wonderwomans lasso 🤦

[muted holly]

nerf velma buff morty 👍

[muted holly]

you need a masters degree in physics to get 3 pieces started on velma, and that for a full 19 damage

[atomic otter]

Only character to has to rely on 100% reads just to get past diamond or maybe even plat

[leaden shell]

I was fighting Superman and I was doing a crazy string and was like OMG IM INSANE and then by the end it was at a huge 21 damage!!!

[atomic otter]

This is what we call a skilled character carried by player 😭

[muted holly]

i call it showing dominance over meta slaves

[atomic otter]

Ngl

Imma play meta

[muted holly]

scary

[atomic otter]

If Velma had a better buff

I would have played her

So disappointing

I really like her move movesets it’s pretty unique

[muted holly]

she has fun stuff but its so insanely hard to set up and then you still have to pray your bubbles dont get dodged

[atomic otter]

I wish i could do more with her jab

[muted holly]

jab is useless in her combo game, only useful thing with it is jab2 into utilt which doesnt work half the time and never works on small characters

[atomic otter]

This might be a CRAZY take but I think banana guard has more combo potential than Velma

[muted holly]

oh yea definetly

and he gets rewarded heavily for it

[calm herald]

I hate these patch notes

The van??? Of all things the van

Already a bad start to season 2

[leaden shell]

Welp see yall next month

[atomic otter]

Let’s be real

Who asked for a van buff

I’ve seen so many players ask for other stuff

Van was last on the list

[muted holly]

van would be extra tbh

[atomic otter]

I doubt you will get to pull off van in high ranks

[leaden shell]

She just needs to be faster with her attacks and have a little bit more priority so she doesn’t lose every single exchange

[atomic otter]

People will be destroying evidence

[calm herald]

Cant believe we got ignored like that

Im actually upset

[atomic otter]

I was looking through and I saw Jake got a huge ass buff

And I thought Velma would get the same

[calm herald]

Of course he did

I know he was bad but why not Velma?? The worst character??

[leaden shell]

Honestly Jake is who I switch to when I lose more than 2 in a row as Velma