Tom And Jerry

[subtle lotus]

And easy to escape

You can do that combo on the di that you want but you got to follow the di perfectly

Or they will get out

Its this

I got 2

[cyan whale]

Most Gizmo players I play against just camp with arrow, popcorn, and music notes

[subtle lotus]

Jab, arrow, jump, arrow, up special, arrow, up special, dodge cancel into up air, or up air

[subtle lotus]

His an set up character

But i like to rush down a lil bit

[subtle lotus]

This its with 3 arrow

[cyan whale]

That’s fair. I do the same with T&J

[subtle lotus]

Ik, they got to set up his popcorn and music notes

While they are charging the arrow

Im not complaining about him

Im just mad at the meta

Im at Diamond 5

And ik it will be hard to rank master with all of this meta

I dont get good mus with T&J in ranked

And the stages are so bad

[cyan whale]

The meta kinda sucks rn but only because the top 5 are so prevalent

[cyan whale]

Dexters needs to go

Or at least be wider

[subtle lotus]

Theres stages when you got an crazy disadvantage with T&J

And the adventure time one

They should introduce an mechanic when you can control

Your jerry to go through the platforms and dynamite too

[cyan whale]

I don’t mind that one

[subtle lotus]

Its so annoying

[subtle lotus]

Its an short stage, and its not good considering that T&J its an light character

We got an crazy advantage on big stages

[cyan whale]

I mean, yeah but the stage isn’t so small to the point where the blast zones are right next to the stage like Dexters

[subtle lotus]

Idk why the people complain about the paddle combo string

[cyan whale]

Or Cromulons ceiling

[subtle lotus]

Its just skill issue

Its super diable

And easy to punish

And got no combo starters

And you need an mix up to do the paddle combo

It wont get nerfed

[cyan whale]

Tbf having been on the receiving end, it’s really hard to get out of if you’re not playing a small character

But like on whiff it’s death

[subtle lotus]

You can get out even if your character its big

[cyan whale]

I haven’t escaped even once while playing Jason

[subtle lotus]

You got to do an mix with dis

I prove it

[subtle lotus]

I did

Its complicated

[cyan whale]

Maybe I’m just DI’ing incorrectly

[subtle lotus]

But you can do it

[subtle lotus]

You got to di, responding to the tnj reading you

You got to mix it

So the T&J cant read you

[cyan whale]

Which direction tho?

[subtle lotus]

Then he can get heavy punish

[subtle lotus]

No one, you got to change your direction depending of the Tom and jerry

You cant just hold one direction

Its an mix up of di's

[cyan whale]

Then which way should I DI depending on where the T&J is moving?

Should I be trying to hold the opposite direction of where he’s moving?

[subtle lotus]

No bc you will pushing your body to the paddle

Di, up side

Thdn when he turn around you can di out

If you di up

Its harder and could escape earlier

People just di out

And thats why they get heavy combo

[cyan whale]

I’ve been trying to DI up and it hasn’t worked. But I’ll try to DI diagonally up and see if that works better

[subtle lotus]

Or you could do an mix, when your T&J its trying to turn around you can hold the opposite direction upwards

[subtle lotus]

Its like reacting

Its hard to di the paddle if the T&J follows up

They should nerf that and make it harder like more precise but keep the combo in game

[cyan whale]

Honestly paddle isn’t the issue with what makes T&J strong

It’s Jerry shot

[subtle lotus]

Jerry shot cant get nerfed

Its ok

And paddle its an mix up tool and di easy

[cyan whale]

I’m not saying it should

[subtle lotus]

And can be punish so hard on wiff

[cyan whale]

I’m saying that paddle isn’t what makes T&J good

[subtle lotus]

T&J its super balanced right now

And we got bad frame data

[subtle lotus]

Ik, but thats the move who everyone cry's

[cyan whale]

Yeah T&J seems fine balance wise. He’s like a solid A tier character. Strong but not broken

[subtle lotus]

They should give the ability to heavy characters to di easily from the paddle like small characters

And he will be totally balanced and skill

[cyan whale]

Dude you have no idea how many people come into Shaggy chat to complain about his kick lmao

I know the feel

[subtle lotus]

Why people complain about that

Its super reactable

[cyan whale]

Because they’re bad

[cyan whale]

Thank you. This is what I’ve always told them

[subtle lotus]

People lit just cry about fair things bc they'are so bad

But im so afraid

Bc pfg lit removed the stripe 50/50 with di

Bc of the skill issue of this people

And complaining a lot instead of improving his gameplay

[cyan whale]

Dude the gun cancel removal was so unjustified

It wasn’t broken

It was cool

Stripe wasn’t even top 10 pre patch

[subtle lotus]

Fr

They nerf the fair characters and buff arya stark

Thats how works for pfg

[cyan whale]

Like I legitimately feel what VoiD was talking about when he said he’s afraid to share new tech because it’ll get nerfed or removed

[subtle lotus]

Yo its so true

They lit remove the tech and the cool stuff bc the people dont khow how to play

[cyan whale]

Like stop nerfing mid tiers and instead buff the low tiers

[subtle lotus]

This will become an monkey game

[subtle lotus]

Stop buffing arya its an good start

[cyan whale]

Shaggy is already a monkey character now. His highest damaging combos only deal like 30, so he’s forced to play unga bunga

[subtle lotus]

And black adam

Also wonder woman and arya

[cyan whale]

I don’t like calling for nerfs, but Arya needs to have some weakness besides being light and Morty dirt absolutely should not apply weaken

[subtle lotus]

Arya got lit no disadvantage

Bro its like the best character in the game

[cyan whale]

I’m not asking for many changes

[subtle lotus]

No weakness

Arya got to get nerfed

[cyan whale]

Debatable between her, Morty, and Finn

They’re easily the top 3 rn imo

[subtle lotus]

Tbh morty for me its ok

[trim zealot]

Wonder Woman is the best for sure.

[subtle lotus]

And finn needs an lil nerf on his grounded game besides that kill arya

[subtle lotus]

Arya stark its the best

[cyan whale]

I think T&J does decently against Morty, but it’s literal hell for other characters to fight him

[subtle lotus]

T&J counters morty

[cyan whale]

She’s still easily top 5 along with Joker

[subtle lotus]

But morty against other characters its lit the hell in earth

[subtle lotus]

Joker could be top 4

You khow i just want betlejuice to be the second T&J

[cyan whale]

Literally any non-projectile character has no way of dealing with Morty it’s crazy

[subtle lotus]

Like an tech character with a lot of stuff

[trim zealot]

Depending on 1V1 or 2V2. I’d say in 1s Arya is easily better. But in 2s Wonder Woman takes it, no contest.

[cyan whale]

I can see that

[subtle lotus]

We are talking about 1s

[cyan whale]

I mainly play 1s, but I’ve been playing 2s more recently

[trim zealot]

Oh I see.

[subtle lotus]

Whats your ranked with T&J on 1s?

[cyan whale]

Haven’t used him in ranked yet, but I’m diamond 5 with Shaggy

[subtle lotus]

Im diamond 5 with T&J

[cyan whale]

I’m trying to get every character I play to diamond in both 1s and 2s

[subtle lotus]

Shaggy its op too

Tbh his dash attack its broken

His an broken character

[cyan whale]

It’s a very good whiff punish move

[subtle lotus]

Like top 3 better than finn

Finn lit just needs an nerf on his grounded game

[cyan whale]

Alright now that’s a bit crazy

[subtle lotus]

Finn its not better than shaggy

[cyan whale]

Finn definitely is

[subtle lotus]

His tods are super easy to di

And are hard to perform

[cyan whale]

Guaranteed zero to death with the backpack perk regardless of DI if done correctly

[trim zealot]

Finn has the same combo game and damage output with more mobility and massive disjoints.

[cyan whale]

Finn has more range than every character except Jack

[subtle lotus]

I played finn at an high lv and its not even near to shaggy

[subtle lotus]

No bro are you crazy

[cyan whale]

???

[subtle lotus]

Finn its solid, not broken his s tier

But his combos

Zero 0 deaths

Are super hard to perform

[trim zealot]

So?

[subtle lotus]

His only broken mechanic

[cyan whale]

Finn’s neutral is mid but his advantage is like top 3 and he kills off of one jab

[subtle lotus]

Its his spammy grounded game holding jab and up tilt

[subtle lotus]

He dont

His like an T&J but even worst

Bc he dont have an read di move like him

His combo game its lit read di and dodges

[cyan whale]

Worse Finn players don’t know how to zero to death

[trim zealot]

Ok, no. He has 0 projectiles and relies on footsies to play neutral. That’s cap.

[cyan whale]

But it’s super consistent with practice

[subtle lotus]

His worst

[subtle lotus]

Its 0 consistent

Finn got 0 consistent combos

Its more improving in the game

And the only one that people spam its

[cyan whale]

Charged utilt -> nair -> sair 1 -> up special

[subtle lotus]

Not true

[cyan whale]

Kills if you’re hit near the ledge

[cyan whale]

Dude it literally is lmao

[subtle lotus]

He got non true combo

No

[stoic schooner]

Cant you DI up and down?

[subtle lotus]

You can di every direction the finn combos

And you can di the backpack

[cyan whale]

You can DI backpack down to live longer

[subtle lotus]

And all the zero 0 deaths

[cyan whale]

But if he has like 800 coins, then backpack kills at like 60 near the top blast zone regardless of DI

[subtle lotus]

He lit got non true zero 0 deaths, his needs an pro player to clap you

[subtle lotus]

It doesnt

[cyan whale]

Most people don’t DI backpack correctly I’ll give you that

[subtle lotus]

Backpack with 800 coims dont kill that early

You need like 2k coins to kill at that percent

[cyan whale]

Maybe against Iron Giant

[subtle lotus]

Your saying thst bc you dont khow how to counter finn

He dont kill with 800 coins

Atleast your at the top of the blastzone

[cyan whale]

I’ve played bad Finn players

[subtle lotus]

I played lostgriff

[cyan whale]

It’s the good ones who actually know how to combo are the ones that are trouble

[subtle lotus]

One of the best finn players

[stoic schooner]

❌

[subtle lotus]

Thats what im talking about

[subtle lotus]

I have the record and i have him added

But i was testing iron giant

[cyan whale]

Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Finn combos are more weight dependent and don’t work as easily on light characters

[subtle lotus]

So it doesnt matter

[trim zealot]

It’s one thing to say a character is bad because you don’t think they’re objectively good. It’s another to try and insult another player’s skill trying to convince them said character is bad.

[subtle lotus]

His not bsd

His not bad

His s tier

Bc of his grounded game

But his aerials zero 0 deaths are non consistent

So his not that crazy

I always di the finn combos

[cyan whale]

I mean, I know Shaggy loses the matchup because Fin. Outranges him like 3x with a better ground game and better combos

[subtle lotus]

So i got no troubles with him

[stoic schooner]

Up down left or right

[subtle lotus]

Out and up

[cyan whale]

But I’m not downplaying Finn when I say I’ve been hit with multiple zero to deaths with optimal DI

[subtle lotus]

As i said you could di every direction finn combos

[stoic schooner]

Wdym out

[subtle lotus]

It doesnt matter

[subtle lotus]

Di out, like away

[cyan whale]

He means diagonal up and away from the direction Finn is facing

[stoic schooner]

So the oppsite directrion?

[subtle lotus]

No

Thats di toward

I di out

Di away

So you cant get combo

[stoic schooner]

Wat

[subtle lotus]

Go to training

Put the bot on dodge away after hitstun

Then up tilt

And you will see what im talking about

Finn its an di based and dodge read combo game

He got an insane kill early potential

But nothing that you cant di

[stoic schooner]

Im confused about DI away is it forward or backward

[cyan whale]

Forward

[stoic schooner]

Thats confusing

[subtle lotus]

Forward

[cyan whale]

In the direction Finn is facing

[subtle lotus]

Yes

You go way near so you can combo

[cyan whale]

Say Finn is facing left and hits you with charged utilt, you DI up and left

[subtle lotus]

But if you di bacward you'll get the finn bnb zero 0 death

[subtle lotus]

Only left

If you want to di up you can

You can di on every direction finn

He got no true zero 0 death so it doesnt matter

His combo game its ok for me

But i hate his grounded game

[cyan whale]

I’ll be honest, Finn only really needs 2 changes. Nair knockback reduction and Finn travels less distance to compensate and a nerf to the backpack perk. And then he’s fine

[subtle lotus]

Bro its so spammy

He lit just need the same nerf as tazz

Up tilt

[cyan whale]

Oh yeah and that too

[subtle lotus]

Thats all

[stoic schooner]

True even with projectiles his head blocks them doesnt make any senss

[cyan whale]

I’ve also asked for that change

[subtle lotus]

He lit just need that, and he become an fair charscter

[trim zealot]

I don’t think you can fix that without neutering his tilts or removing his ability to move while charging them.

[cyan whale]

Finn without being able to indefinitely charge the longest reaching jab in the game would be nice

[subtle lotus]

Its like nerfing them like if you got it fully charge it release

[subtle lotus]

Yea

His aerials are fine for me i mean its easy to punish his zero 0 deaths so im not mad

[stoic schooner]

And remove the Vacuum bag effect

[cyan whale]

People complain about Jack’s jab being slightly longer than the animation but like you can at least hit his foot

[subtle lotus]

Jason jab are huge

[cyan whale]

It should stay but the final hit should be weaker

[stoic schooner]

Meh

[cyan whale]

Like as annoying as backpack spam is, I don’t think the move should be gutted

[trim zealot]

The amount of trades I’ve had with his jab is crazy, but yeah. I like how it’s balanced because it’s a good whiff punish.

[subtle lotus]

Tbh im ok with that too, so you will remove his zero 0 deaths and you need to be atleast good to do the 3 reads and di to kill

Finn its fine just nerf his jab charge and up tilt and we are ok

[cyan whale]

Jack is perfectly balanced imo. He’s got clearly defined strengths with his range and speed, and he’s got clearly defined weaknesses being big, light, a weak combo game, and having weak kill power outside of powered specials

[subtle lotus]

And lit people on finn chat are beggin for introducing an projectile for finn thats crazy☠️

[stoic schooner]

Nahh bruh

[subtle lotus]

Fr bro

[trim zealot]

That’s crazy

[cyan whale]

If a Finn player has to read my DI or dodges 3 times to kill me, they earned it

But currently it’s too easy

[subtle lotus]

They lit have to do it right now

[trim zealot]

Oh wait, do you mean the gem he used to have in beta?

[cyan whale]

People asking for his gem back are insane

[subtle lotus]

And his not easy. The noob player lit spam up tilt and nair but its not consistent

[stoic schooner]

They prob want the Gem back

[cyan whale]

That would just remove his entire disadvantage

[trim zealot]

I agree none the less.

[subtle lotus]

Finn its not an easy charactee bc you got to read the di and 3 dodges to kill one time, his skill but the deal its his grounded spammy game

[cyan whale]

Like yeah gem was cool in beta, but it has absolutely no place in the relaunch

[subtle lotus]

I played finn and his really built kike that

[subtle lotus]

But now people dont use his full potential like this

They lit just monkey spam jab then up tilt and nair into backpack

Lit the easiest zero 0 deaths and easiest to di

[cyan whale]

Nah the easiest was prepatch Iron Giant

To perform anyway

[subtle lotus]

But that its so easy too

[cyan whale]

That’s what I meant

[subtle lotus]

But well no one get hit and die om thst combo

[cyan whale]

And he still has a guaranteed zero to death from the green ball in rage mode lmao

[stoic schooner]

How to scare people who dont want to di

Di

[subtle lotus]

Fr

If you dont khow how to di thats the nightmare for noobs

[stoic schooner]

They pretend its like a Eldrich horror or somthing

[trim zealot]

Iron giant mains got it rough because every time he has a new one they take him out back for a patch. At least the 0-deaths get out of the way.

[subtle lotus]

They got like trillions of lose by an finn zero 0 death, without khowing that you can di out

[cyan whale]

People eat extended combos from Jack because they don’t know to DI up on jab dtilt to avoid the ground bounce

[stoic schooner]

Like i knew how to DI bc of Smash Bros

[cyan whale]

And he’s still top tier lmao

[subtle lotus]

Yea you can di put

[cyan whale]

No, DI out is the trap

[subtle lotus]

Me too, but im not an pro smash player, that game gives artritis

Im pro from brawhalla

[cyan whale]

You need to DI up

[trim zealot]

Literally every opponent I’ve fought has done this somehow.

[stoic schooner]

I went from Brawlhalla,Super Smash Bros Ultimate and then Multiversus

[cyan whale]

DI out will still cause you to ground bounce and he gets a guaranteed dodge jab

[subtle lotus]

Im not an only platform figther player tbh

But yeah same

Dbfz was my game

But now its death

And i tried street figther 5

But its slow

[stoic schooner]

I dropped it bc i dont find it fun to learn

[cyan whale]

Smash Brawl, Smash 4, Smash Ultimate, Multiversus for me

[subtle lotus]

Anime figthers are goated

[subtle lotus]

Yea they were some hard tech

[cyan whale]

And Rivals 1 in there somewhere

[subtle lotus]

I want rivals 2 so much

[cyan whale]

Too mashy for me

I prefer something more akin to Tekken

[subtle lotus]

I love them, and its not about mashing

At high lv they are complicated

[cyan whale]

For traditional fighters

[subtle lotus]

Bc its hard to block

[cyan whale]

At low levels they are which is my issue

It’s a turnoff for me

[subtle lotus]

At high lvs they dont

They are hard as hell

[cyan whale]

I don’t want to slog through the lower levels to eventually make it out of mash fest

[subtle lotus]

You dont imagine how hard its blocking on an anime figthers

At high lv

[cyan whale]

I’ve played a few and I’m just not interested

[subtle lotus]

Well gtg

I just hope T&J got an buff

On an frying pan string

I want it like in the beta

[stoic schooner]

Im calling it rn nerfs bc people dont know how to fight them and complain like children

[cyan whale]

Yeah unfortunately I think it’s more likely that paddle gets nerfed because people can’t deal with it even though it’s not what makes T&J good

[subtle lotus]

Lit paddle its bad, it wont get nerf bro

Its so punishable on wiff

[cyan whale]

People complain enough, so it might happen

[subtle lotus]

Got no combo starter

Got to read di to combo with him

[stoic schooner]

Same with Stripes gun

[subtle lotus]

Lit skill issue of the people

[cyan whale]

Yeah

[stoic schooner]

Truee

[subtle lotus]

I dont think they will do thst

Like you khow pfg always listen to void

[stoic schooner]

?

[subtle lotus]

You khow, there its lit no reason to they to do that

[cyan whale]

I think it’s more they watch his content

[subtle lotus]

First if they wanted to do that

[cyan whale]

Because VoiD has been adamant about not nerfing cool stuff

[subtle lotus]

They probably do it on this samurai jack patch

And they dont

[stoic schooner]

Didnt Void make a video talking about people acting like children

[subtle lotus]

They just buff him

[subtle lotus]

Yea

[cyan whale]

Yeah

[subtle lotus]

I mean pfg should prove it by himself

[cyan whale]

One of the very few VoiD rant videos

[subtle lotus]

Instead of listening the yapping of the community

I think they wont nerf it

Its totally fair

I think they will adjust the di to the bigger character to escape easily

Like light characters

[cyan whale]

The community is right on some things like the fact that we’re still missing QoL features from the beta like the ability to toast people who toasted you from the main menu if you leave the match before they toast you

[subtle lotus]

But with characters they are totally wrong

They should nerf and buff the characters by themself or contact with pro players

I dont think T&J its going to get an nerf

They will adjust the di to heavy characters escape easily and buff some things

[cyan whale]

I’m just hoping they make Velma a real character next balance patch

[stoic schooner]

Im dreading what their gonna do next patch

Due to people acting like children in the community (ik i sound like a broken record

[worldly stone]

Even on the combo?

cuz im using jerry just for help in the combos

like when I throw Jerry

I throw it then I use the pan too combo at the start

It works even with the tennis balls? or the 3 dynamite

because I actually want more speed than power

or both

[cyan whale]

Pretty much every Jerry shot you land, the opponent bounces on the ground for an extra point of damage

[cyan whale]

No. Projectiles aren’t affected by pugilist

[worldly stone]

when I play online, everyone kill Jerry, they know Tom get in disaventage without Jerry

that's why you are using pugilist?

[worldly stone]

oh

[agile blade]

I wonder how many master tnjs there are

im hard stuck in diamond right now

[cyan whale]

No because you always want to combo a melee hit after a projectile to proc flammable. And pugilist increases the damage of every melee attack by 10% and makes your kill moves kill slightly earlier

[fiery rune]

OK SO @EVERY TOM AND JERRY MAIN

is the infinte combo true some people say yes some say no

[primal tangle]

no

mash jump out of it

[trim zealot]

There are no infinites on this character. I’ve heard rumors of a “loop” but all I know is that it uses up tilt and Jerry shot. I’ve labbed a combo that can do anywhere from 60%-90+% using both (and more) moves though, depending on the character. It might not be 100% true given bots don’t DI though.

[cyan whale]

Infinite in this case is a bit of a misnomer. The loop isn’t infinite infinite, but you can get a significant amount of damage depending on the character. Some characters can get out easy and others take like 100

[trim zealot]

What is it?

Nobody’s told me the specifics yet.

[cyan whale]

I haven’t practiced it myself much, but I believe it’s utilt and cancelling it with Jerry shot on the third hit into another utilt and then you walk over to pick up Jerry again and repeat. It’s also dependent on stage positioning, so you’ll get much less damage near the ledge

[trim zealot]

That’s crap move variety. I’m not surprised it’s inconsistent.

[cyan whale]

Yeah I mean I don’t really like to use loops personally. I’ve always just gone for the full utilt to uair

[trim zealot]

Also you can turn around mid up tilt and still have it connect til hit 3. The timing can be tricky but it should work.

[cyan whale]

But like you get so much more damage with the loop (tho it’s character dependent)

[cyan whale]

Yeah you can, but it’s even less consistent

From personal experience, when T&J players try to turn around, it’s easier to escape

[trim zealot]

The combo I labbed last weekend seems far more consistent than what I’m hearing now. It “works” to varying degrees. Characters like Jason, shaggy, and Batman get stomped by it, but characters like Rick and Morty make it very difficult due to their hitstun animations. Arya is the hardest to perform it on, and I’ve only been able to get 60% true on her.

Ironically gizmo is also one of the easier characters for it.

Also new development, @stoic schooner, it can 0-death Batman, shaggy, gizmo (very easy on him), probably iron giant, Jason (one of the harder ones to death), and possibly Rick and morty if you get lucky with their hitsun animations. Arya and Superman are impossible to kill with it, but Superman will take significant damage. This is all assuming no DI. I would like to test this with a human sometime.

You just need to include some down airs before Jerry shot at later %s.

[stoic schooner]

I did put the Bot on Dodge on hitstun

[trim zealot]

As did I.

What did you find?

[stoic schooner]

Nothing bc i was labbing and trying cancel attacks

Im trying to get my hands on the loops

[trim zealot]

Oh, ok.

I can try and record then send an updated version of the (atm) optimal combo later if it helps. I’ll probably do the version that works on Batman, shaggy, and Jack body type characters. I can do it again for heavies if need be. Gizmo should be super easy since both methods work on him, and he dies earlier than the others.

[primal tangle]

wait. are we gonna get cyber tnj for free?

the 1000 cyber tickets covers the price for it

[stoic schooner]

If you grind everday

[primal tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-3415810009431604905

[stoic schooner]

Does anyone know how to quick attack cancel with TnJ

[storm smelt]

Quick attack? U mean his side light?

Like with the hammer?

[stoic schooner]

I meant attack cancel i DIDNT PUT IT IN THE MESSAGE DHDGFHDFJF

[cyan whale]

Attack cancel what attack?

[stoic schooner]

Paddle

[storm smelt]

Just making sure we’re on the same page first lol u mean when u go for an attack and cancel last second?

Idk if multiversus has that

Pretty sure it’s called a Kara cancel but you can’t do that with paddle once you use paddle you gotta wait for the whole move to finish before you can act out of it unless you are hitting with paddle

[stoic schooner]

So its last hit into dair

[subtle lotus]

The combo its not true in any sense you can di and escape easily, and if you fail the paddle on wiff, you will probably die☠️

[storm smelt]

No learn his infinite

So after paddle do jump and shoot Jerry directly downwards into paddle again and repeat

[cyan whale]

Cancel the third hit of paddle (the one before the final hit) with jump and then Jerry shot downwards. Then, you can land and paddle again to scoop them up and walk over to pick up Jerry again during paddle to continue the loop. It’s character and stage positioning dependent how many loops you get but it ranges from like barely or doesn’t work to zero to death lmao

[stoic schooner]

Its not a Infinite

[storm smelt]

U should be able to get 4 loops done correctly that’s why I call it that but yeah they’re more so loops

[fiery rune]

im a batman main ive tried all the die even spam jump is it just true on batman?

[subtle lotus]

Di upwards and spam jump

You can escape easily

[fiery rune]

that what yall told me it aint working lol

[subtle lotus]

If your character its to big you may not get out as easy as an small one

They should do lit one change to tom and jerry, make heavy character di out of the paddle easily like small ones

[wraith dove]

Do you all just cheat and use a lagswitch or something? I've never met a T&J who I didn't lag against and the lag mysteriously seemed to only affect me

[subtle lotus]

We dont use it

Its lit just follow di

But thered character that cant escape as easy as they could

[unkempt sinew]

I've fought like 8 Jack's today on Dexter's Lab where he can kill you at like 20% 💀

I hate that stage so much as Tom

[wraith dove]

T&J has a winning MU though so you don't have to worry

[wraith dove]

Do you know what a lagswitch is lmao

[subtle lotus]

Yes

I get a lot of opponents qith lag switch

And i cant reporth them

Report them

@wraith dove T&J paddle its bad tho so you cant complain about it

His only problem its that its hard to di out

If your character its big

But most of the time

People escape from me

[wraith dove]

You can't DI out of it lmao

[subtle lotus]

Spamming up dodge

And di up

[subtle lotus]

You can

Besides that its an super bad move anyway

No combo starter

[wraith dove]

Even if you can get close to DI out, it doesn't matter because shooting Jerry keeps them in

It's busted

[subtle lotus]

A ton of end lag

[wraith dove]

But that's not what I was talking about lmao

[subtle lotus]

Super punisheable on wiff

[subtle lotus]

You can di the paddle

But when you do the jerry shot if he do it to early

You can di away when you get hit of the jerry shot

And dont get an follow up with paddle

[open crypt]

depends

[subtle lotus]

it not depends

we got no inf

if its an inf its true

and we dont got an true inf

you can di paddle

and di out when you get hit by jerry shot

[primal tangle]

u cant cancel it

[trim zealot]

On the third hit onward you can.

Into an attack, jump, or dodge. It’s integral to most of our combos.

But on whiff you cannot cancel the attack at all.

[subtle lotus]

Super accurate comment

[trim zealot]

Thank you.

[stoic schooner]

IVE FINALLY KNOW HOW TO CANCEL ON THE 3RD BIT ON THE PADDLE LETS GOO

[summer rivet]

jerry fr

[trim zealot]

Another tip for T&J combos that I recommend is to bind a neutral special button somewhere on your controller/keyboard so you can input down and Jerry shot at the same time instead of waiting through the animation of aiming Jerry downwards.

You can technically do this without a neutral special button but it requires almost frame perfect timing.

[stoic schooner]

Ive got mine on Left Bumper

[trim zealot]

Same.

You should figure out most combos pretty quickly now that you have the up tilt cancel down.

You can also cancel jab 1, 2, or 3 (mostly 3 for T&J), into whatever.

Useful as another combo starter/extender.

[stoic schooner]

Is that good or

[trim zealot]

As long as you have one bound it doesn’t really matter where.

Just personal preference.

I just have one more recommendation for combos on T&J. Practice the timing on using tennis balls after hitting a down angle Jerry shot for some conversions and combo enders.

Using “loops” will stale Jerry shot and down air to the point where you’ll have to call it quits or your opponent can dodge then punish.

That’s why I mix in jabs to my “loops” on characters who can be hit by the jab conversion.

[stoic schooner]

Ive learned that use the rocket with Jerry to set up Tennis balls

[worldly stone]

oh

then ok

I gonna check this out

thank you

also

one more thing

Jerry die in how many hits?

[cyan whale]

It’s not a number of hits, it’s HP. I believe Jerry has 12 HP but someone could correct me if I’m wrong

[trim zealot]

No. I meant in combos. When Jerry swings his tennis racket it has a hitbox that knocks the opponent back at the same angle as the tennis ball sent by Tom. If timed corrrectly, after shooting Jerry close to the opponent in a combo, you can follow up with the Jerry racket hitbox into up air.

[stoic schooner]

I remember doing that more im trying to get that down

[trim zealot]

It makes a good kill confirm at high %s off a stray Jerry hit in addition to being a good combo ender.

[subtle lotus]

Bro so accurate again, i have my bind on l1

Guys its like hard to grind T&J

On ranked now

Im at diamod 5

And i always get matched with op characters

And well i get an crazy disadvantage

Sometimes i manage to win some wins in a row

And when im about to reach next tier

I get matchmaked with master top 10 shaggy...

And i gain 5 points per win and lose 20 per loss

Ranked its so unbalacend

[stoic schooner]

Im hard stuck silver

[nocturne ferry]

I'm currently at the end of sliver and would be gold by now but maintenance stopped me lmao

[subtle lotus]

Guys we got an chance against arya stark lets go

[stoic schooner]

YIPPEEE

[nocturne ferry]

now i'm gold

18+ for 2-1 match

bruh

[trim zealot]

What do you mean? Is they a new update?

Nvm checked it. Honestly I don’t think it’ll make much of a difference. Most of her combos start from jab and down air, so down tilt being a little more punishable makes almost no difference.

I like the Morty changes better. Dirt was annoying AF in neutral.

[stoic schooner]

What did they change?

[subtle lotus]

Down tilt its more punishable

So he cant just spam it

[junior mountain]

Smith main here, do you guys have any advice for relatively consistently being able to deal with T&J? It feels like you guys have a faster answer for everything I can possibly respond with

[latent thicket]

what parts do you really struggle with the most

[keen swan]

Well for Jerry, do note one neutral special shot should one shot Jerry

If that helps

[junior mountain]

Even if I'm not running sweet spot pistol perk?

[keen swan]

Either normal neutral special or neutral special with the one shot perk

[junior mountain]

Getting in on him mostly without getting juggled constantly

[keen swan]

I think so

I can go test it in a moment

[keen swan]

If you’re being juggled probably try to DI up

[latent thicket]

i mean you know i play both t&j and smith. Id say your best bet is to approach at sort of a diagonal angle and really utilize down angled neutral special

and perfect height aerial down special

also being able to use dash cancel jab or iad sair are also both good options for approaching

personally, id recommend using multishot vs t&j just because it'll deal with the projectiles easier (and its faster than hand cannon)

jerry does die to dair jab and i think 2 shots of multishot

but if you're going to try and kill jerry, keep in mind tom can send tennis balls which would launch you up and towards him or a rocket which would just launch you far away

both home in on jerry no matter where tom is

[junior mountain]

Really appreciate the tips. I'll try them out

[latent thicket]

also if you just need mu expierience and im not editting i got you

(rn im making a joker montage)

[junior mountain]

Ohh you're the dude that made that funny Smith montage haha. I might hit you up for some 1s practice for sure. As Smith, I struggle mostly vs Tom (and Morty)

[junior mountain]

This tip is game-changing

[primal tangle]

who is your favorite 2's partner while playing TnJ?

I've been lately enjoying good jacks in my lobby

[hidden verge]

Anyone find any good TnJ combos recently

Or are we still stuck with paddle jab down tilt and paddle down Jerry shot?

[keen swan]

Yes

Literally just lost a set 3-2 to that 😭

I’m still lost on the DI on that

It doesn’t feel like DIing up does anything

[hidden verge]

You gotta di close to tom

Also tom just blew up at 47 against a shaggy

Feels great

[keen swan]

I did that all game

It just got me in more combos

Dude was just spending the whole game hiding behind cheese trap

[hidden verge]

Did he predict paddle?

[keen swan]

Yeah

[hidden verge]

Oh then he’s just good

[keen swan]

For some reason he paddled off of cheese trap

[hidden verge]

Just genuinely nothing you can do

If he predict paddles

[keen swan]

😔

[hidden verge]

As in paddles behind himself

Your cooked

[keen swan]

At least he was respectful

[hidden verge]

I found a true combo

[keen swan]

But lord this character is a pain for me to fight

[hidden verge]

But only for heavy characters

[keen swan]

It’s not even like he’s broken just very very boring for me to fight most the time

[hidden verge]

Super man jason ect

[keen swan]

Cool

[hidden verge]

Dair

[keen swan]

Iron Giant?

[hidden verge]

Into down jerryshot

Paddle into loop

[hidden verge]

Mhm

[keen swan]

Good

He deserves it

[hidden verge]

I’ll send it to ya if you want it

[keen swan]

Yeah no T&J doesn’t need nerfs

In fact he doesn’t need to be changed

I guess he’s just gonna be that one platform fighter character that’s annoying to fight

[trim zealot]

I have a good set of combos I’ve labbed but don’t know how DI affects them. It’s mostly the same with a few alterations to different weight and body types. The only 3 character’s I wouldn’t recommend using it on are Arya, Rick, and Morty. It’s an altered version of the infamous “loops” that’ve been making their way around the discord.

[hidden verge]

Proceed

[trim zealot]

Instead of just paddle> Jerry shot> repeat, it’s with some jabs and down airs mixed in, and I finish with tennis ball shot into up air.

It can 0-death no DI on a considerable amount of characters.

[hidden verge]

Sounds complicated

[trim zealot]

It’s harder than the normal “loops” but ends up dealing more damage or just kills from 0.

I had a video in #combos but it’s likely buried now.

When I get back home I’ll try and record the main 3 variants of the combo.

If you want an @ to find them I can do that too.

[hidden verge]

Give Jerry more corks

[trim zealot]

What do you mean?

[hidden verge]

Give him 5 corks

[trim zealot]

You mean like more than 3 after being shot?

[hidden verge]

And let him have 3 corks when he’s with your teammate

[trim zealot]

Between those and the 3 tennis balls on Tom I think 3 corks is fine tbh.

Tennis ball shots give Jerry an active hitbox.

And you have rocket to also defend Jerry.

[hidden verge]

Give tom 10 dynamite sticks

No joke tho

Give tom 3 sticks with dynamite split

And 5 with well rounded

[trim zealot]

I think it’s fine with the low cooldown it has for turning 1 stick into 3. It’s great utility for getting to ledge safely or as an anti-air.

It’s annoying not having 3 “don’t approach me or you’ll lose neutral” button, but if you play your cards right you’ll only need 1.

Especially if you play around lingering tennis balls and mouse trap.

Besides, people would cry out for even more nerfs than they are now if T&J got buffs, projectile buffs no less.

T&J are like A tier as is, probably at the edge of S tier. I would prefer for other characters being buffed to the same level than make an already great character one of the undisputed best, or nerf said character because “projectiles are annoying, wah wah wah”.

You get way more tools to counter projectiles on literally every single character in this game than most traditional and platform fighters out there. If you’re losing to projectile play in multiversus 9/10 it’s a skill issue.

[simple torrent]

Way too many

[pine ruin]

how do i chase down tom

[keen swan]

Yknow I noticed I only struggle on T&J on small maps

Big maps like sky arena I’m quite good at beating him on actually

[trim zealot]

Some of our combos can be cut short if we don’t turn around our up tilt. Otherwise it’s counterintuitive since we should have an easier time when we have more room to work with our projectiles and zoning.

[keen swan]

Well since I use Finn it’s easier for me to just side special or high five projectiles when there’s more space

[trim zealot]

What does high five do? Does it destroy or reflect them? I haven’t played many Finns since beta.

[keen swan]

Reflects projectiles

Doesn’t work on cheese trap tho

[slender matrix]

Guys, how do you deal with Jack?

[feral snow]

For me I simply have to keep my distance and set up traps(DS). Since jack is a bruiser he needs to be up close to do damage. Best thing is keep distance and abuse Jerry every time Jack try’s to close the distance. If jack starts to stay away then you can use your fishing rod. Down Attack is also very good at keeping him away when he try’s to close the gap. T&J has to truly be a Mage when it comes to Jack

[keen swan]

Spacing

[autumn solar]

Am I shooting myself in the foot by putting the 3 stack of dynamite perk on? I don’t see anyone else using it

[stoic schooner]

No your not its a very strong perk its bascally a protect Jerry and get off me perk

[elfin jackal]

5% is way better in most cases

[primal tangle]

there is a sweetspot where u can slingshot his side special at the end of each dash. u need to aim at his head

[trim zealot]

If you manage the cooldown on your dynamite and use other projectiles/trap, then no. If you just like to use dynamite to stall in or win neutral, then yes.

[summer rivet]

nah, but you can blast urself by using the rocket upspecial on the ground

[open crypt]

i dont get it

how the hell on a ditto tom

the game let opponent hit me with poggo on the floor or the pan on a big range

but when i do it the game just spit on my face

[hidden verge]

5% is just better you get more ammo which in most cases are better than triple split

You can stall mid air to stop a combo

Or use it as a recovery tool

You get 3 sticks

And that’s 3 bouncing traveling sticks they have to dodge away from

Even use it as an edge guard tool

Drop some sticks on their head

Split IS good

But it’s more of a get off me tool

Not a good utility tool

[stoic schooner]

U can protect Jerry with it aswell

[hidden verge]

Corks do that

Rocket is more of a protect Jerry tool

[stoic schooner]

I have to use that perk bc my opp is hell bent at killing jerry

[hidden verge]

Just as soon as you shoot jerry

Rocket with him

Or cork immediately

Saves him 85% of the time

[fleet scarab]

Just got tom and jerry how do you play them?

[latent thicket]

you dont

seriously tho just learn the kit and basic combos. Most games you play are mu dependent but if you can get good at camping and forcing your opponent to appraoch you then you're already doing half the work

[subtle lotus]

Tbh you need to learn how to set up and 50/50 with him, the learn how to change your fighting style depending on the mu, passive and agressive, learn how to paddle string with mix up on jabs

To aim correctly your jerry

[fleet scarab]

I play garnet so its completely different

[subtle lotus]

Its an whole world, i alr mastered T&J

Do it will take a long time to learn him

Completely

[fleet scarab]

how long

[subtle lotus]

Like to master him?

[fleet scarab]

yea

[subtle lotus]

Its smth about experienced

Its a lot of time

Like 150+ to learn how to use it 100% atleast

I got like 300 hours with T&J

[fleet scarab]

can you explain the differences of his power with and without the mouse?

[subtle lotus]

With the jerry you got a lot of options to set up, and combo game

Without jerry you have one of the worst characters in game

Bad disadvantage

And you got to wait an cooldown to him to revive

[subtle lotus]

An tip to play him its to never let jerry die its your best tool on everything so its important to keep him alive as long as you can

[fleet scarab]

Can u explain his moves with and without jerry

like all of them

i know its a lot sorry

[hidden verge]

I can

So basically when Jerry is alive he makes your kit a lot better because he can string your combos a lot better

Like with Jerry he has a loop

Paddle down Jerry shot

Or paddle jump down Jerry shot for smaller opponents

That’s your main source of percentages in the early ranges

But when Jerry dies

You still have combo strings there just significantly worse

And none are loops UNLESS the opponent is burnt out

For example if the opponent isn’t burnt out paddle into full jab is a good combo

But if they are burnt out paddle into single jab and into paddle again is a great combo

That’s just a few ways to play without Jerry

But fyi without Jerry Tom by himself is one of the worst character in the game

If you want me to continue just lmk

That’s just his paddle combos

I can go into other details and other mini combos

[fleet scarab]

we may have to 1v1 so u can show me

[hidden verge]

Yeah sure

Are you on?

[fleet scarab]

But i tried him out in pubs and got like 80 damage

[fleet scarab]

idk im playing with a friend rn

[hidden verge]

If you want I can send you clips

[fleet scarab]

dm them to me

[hidden verge]

Gotcha

[acoustic belfry]

What is the best small perks for tom and jerry?

[hidden verge]

I use

That’s flammable doc

Speed force assist

And pugilist

[acoustic belfry]

Thanks

[hidden verge]

That’s flammable doc and pugilist

Is a must

You can pick

Speed force assist

Or collateral damage as your 2nd

[simple torrent]

get a PHD in physics

[primal tangle]

what do u guys think about the new TnJ skin? it's already released in the new rifts, u can play against it in 2nd level

[tardy scaffold]

Tom & Jerry always have some great skins

I was surprised to see how well the Cyberpunk look works for them

[primal tangle]

we need 24h to pass

[tardy scaffold]

I think Baker Street and Pirates are probably my favorite variants

Tennis and Seaside are pretty good too

All of them aside from the Circuit Breaker one are very quality

[primal tangle]

tennis and seaside look the same to me

baker street is my fav

but I still want zootsuit

skin to happen

[tardy scaffold]

What's zootsuit

Is that where Tom was wearing a suit or are you referring to something else

Ooohhh

Now I remember

[primal tangle]

#fan-art message

these 2

together.

[tardy scaffold]

Interesting

I was going to say I wouldn't know how to feel about the two of them having the exact same appearance, but then I remembered the Matrix skins

[primal tangle]

watch the episode and you'll feel how swaggy the suit is

[tardy scaffold]

I assume you're in the same group as the people who want a similar suit for Daffy Duck

[primal tangle]

I just want skins that represent episodes. did u see the texas one on their wiki?

[tardy scaffold]

Yeah

It's been unreleased since like the beginning hasn't it

Yet its been advertised since day 1

[primal tangle]

welp. skins like that sells for me, they feel pretty nostalgic

[subtle lotus]

How many cost the new T&J skin

I didnt enter the game

So i want to khow

[primal tangle]

ask again tomorrow. still not released

[trim zealot]

What’s the new skin?

[primal tangle]

cyberpunk one

[acoustic belfry]

Can't wait to purchase their new skin, but tbh I actually got triggered when I knew you can get free skins after I kept grinding gelmenium for the detective skin

[trim zealot]

How do you get free skins? I thought gleamium was the only way for most, unless you specifically mean the circuit drone skin.

[primal tangle]

he is prolly talking about the circuit and medals

[simple hamlet]

is the jerry missle launch thing ever useful?

[primal tangle]

use it when they are charging at you

[simple hamlet]

is it good in neutral? to get close to them

[primal tangle]

it takes couple seconds to setup unless you learn rocket --> paddle combo

[simple hamlet]

no when you get launched

like tom gets launched

[primal tangle]

what

[simple hamlet]

ill send you a clip in a sec

(im in the middle of ranked so i cant leave:( )

[trim zealot]

If you hit yourself with Jerry cruise missile, Tom will get launched as if he were hit, but takes no damage.

Not very useful but maybe you could avoid a punish for using the move to begin with occasionally.

[primal tangle]

you need to be 300IQ to use it as a game mechanic with how they start moving when you start charging rocket

[trim zealot]

You can dodge after aiming Jerry rocket then get in the way of the rocket too, but at that point you’re just free to play neutral like normal.

[subtle lotus]

Tbh i wont do that, in a game, its just not worth it, while your launch in the air your letting your jerry behind

[stoic schooner]

Cant you use it for Tennis Ball set ups?

[subtle lotus]

And remember that, theres some characters that can one shot jerry

[trim zealot]

None that are useful. Ideally you want to be close to Jerry so you can minimize the risk of him dying.

[subtle lotus]

To me T&J its an changing playstyle character

If your playing an good mu you should play him as an rush down

With jerry shots

[trim zealot]

Wut

[subtle lotus]

If its smth like arya you should play him, passive

[trim zealot]

Best projectile character. “Use them as rush down”, bruh.

[subtle lotus]

Bro, you can get punish while summoning corks

[stoic schooner]

Yea that doesnt makes any senssle

[subtle lotus]

Im an master TnJ

Its super good to rush down characters with him

Atleast with good mu,s

[trim zealot]

You can get punished for rushing down too, if not more often than projectile play.

[subtle lotus]

You cant, you need to practice the Jerry shot

To aproach with him its using jerry snipes

Then looking for the jab

Into 50/50 mix up

With loop

Then you get an paddle string, +100 dmg

Following di ofc

[trim zealot]

I’ve played T&J since beta, I know this character in and out. There’s no need to rush down to be successful. It’s much safer to damage with projectiles.

[primal tangle]

the funny part with tnj u can do so many loops depending on the enemy fighter

[subtle lotus]

Ik, but now its better to rush down for me bc of his paddle string

[subtle lotus]

You cant call the paddle string an loop, bc it has an end and its easy to get out with di

[trim zealot]

Just one (with character variants), and it stales pretty hard over time.

[stoic schooner]

T&J are projectile characters

[trim zealot]

Useful but not super reliable if just paddle> Jerry shot.

[stoic schooner]

So

[stoic schooner]

Idk

[primal tangle]

I am not talking about the actual loop, some players just keep falling on your paddle if u spam it it's so funny

[subtle lotus]

You could use the projectiles to aproach

[trim zealot]

Tell that to Gogeta.

[subtle lotus]

Il send one of my clips

Wait

[stoic schooner]

(Impossable)

[primal tangle]

if u just play for projectiles u wont climb high

[subtle lotus]

Ye

Thats an real comment

You can get punish for just spamming projectiles

[stoic schooner]

It really isnt

[primal tangle]

What rank are you guys in 2's or 1's? whatever u play

[subtle lotus]

1s: master and 2s i dont play it

[trim zealot]

If you play rush down you probably ain’t climbing to begin with. Optimize your character before trying to adapt them to a play style their moves set doesn’t compliment.

[subtle lotus]

Thats totally not true

[stoic schooner]

Im Silver even i know that

[subtle lotus]

Its risky but its better

[primal tangle]

utilize the whole kit mate.

[subtle lotus]

Im at master

[primal tangle]

I am master2 too.

[stoic schooner]

👍

[stoic schooner]

In 2v2

[subtle lotus]

1s or 2s?

[primal tangle]

2s

[subtle lotus]

Oh yeah the playstyle on the character

Its different in 1s and 2s

[primal tangle]

I know.

[subtle lotus]

In 2s the optimum way its to cover with projectiles

[trim zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-im-squidward-spongebob-squarepants-gif-14639116

[subtle lotus]

But tbh in 1s, its better to jerry snipe spam, looking for the paddle string

[stoic schooner]

Embed fail

[subtle lotus]

Its more opressive

[trim zealot]

I just used the built in gif discord thing. Idk why it doesn’t work.

[primal tangle]

2's you need to play for surviving more than you need to play for "damage"

[stoic schooner]

Im.guess the MVS discord doesnt let it happen

[trim zealot]

It’s the “he’s squidward, you’re squidward, I’m squidward!” Gif.

[subtle lotus]

Ik, in 1s its more for dmg, and early kills, thats why you play him rush down

But if your figthing an bad mu

Smth like arya

I dont recommend you to approach

[primal tangle]

I wouldn't I find 1v1's boring

[subtle lotus]

Its about mixing your figthing style in 1s

[stoic schooner]

Bruh im a Silver T&J even i wouldent do that

[subtle lotus]

Bro i really got to teach you an example

[primal tangle]

@subtle lotus are you an otp or u play other fighters?

[stoic schooner]

My brother in christ T&J are projectile characters

[subtle lotus]

Otp?

[primal tangle]

one trick pony

[subtle lotus]

Ik, but i just like to approach, its good considering the jerry properties

[stoic schooner]

Jerry is a Universal Projectile for Tom and starts Neutral

[trim zealot]

You know what else is good? Dynamite, tennis balls, and corks.

[subtle lotus]

Ik bro, i use all options of tnj

You cant just approach and do anything

Bc im approching i need to use all the resources bc im leaving jerry on the ground

[trim zealot]

You just said “use them as rush down”?

[stoic schooner]

This is making my brain hurt

[subtle lotus]

Tbh the optimum way to play TnJ its like projectile spammer

But i like rush down more, bc i can get an early stock

And rewarded from dmg

[trim zealot]

That contradicts rush down.

[subtle lotus]

But im more vulnerable

[trim zealot]

You just admitted projectile play is better than rush down.

[subtle lotus]

Maybe, but its boring tbh

[primal tangle]

in general it is, but u cant use 1 without the other

[trim zealot]

Then you should’ve just said that lol.

[subtle lotus]

Yes

[trim zealot]

It’s one thing to be boring, another to be worse than rush down.

[subtle lotus]

I use both at the same time, its like changing

[subtle lotus]

I love rush downs, not like arya thats trash

[trim zealot]

She’s apparently top tier. I haven’t played as her though, what’s boring about her?

[stoic schooner]

Its just mind numbing to fight her and is hard to pin down to get damage of her

[fleet scarab]

Shes the strongest in the game all her moves combo shes easy and insane damage output

not to mention with her size shes like a little fly

[trim zealot]

I’m not sure if it’s her size or hurtbox during hitstun, but she does fall out of T&J combos much sooner than other characters. I’ve been trying to lab something more consistent for her with little success atm.

I’m leaning towards the hurtbox theory because rick and morty have some weird animations or Z axis shenanigans that cause them to fall out of combos much the same.

[fleet scarab]

I play garnet and when I’m doing the jab on ground she just walks out of it

[acoustic belfry]

Yea when I said free I meant those

[acoustic belfry]

It's actually good as a finisher when the opponent's health is above 100

[acoustic belfry]

The projectiles characters are called "mage", I actually remember in the open beta when Tom & jerry and bugs were used to be the only mage characters

[acoustic belfry]

Btw nobody will talk about how OP the tennis attack is?

[stoic schooner]

Ik that

[stoic schooner]

It really isnt

[hidden verge]

How is it op

[acoustic belfry]

It can reflect every projectile, did someone tried that?

[acoustic belfry]

Btw, do somebody has a glitch were few games you can't move?

[primal tangle]

not hard projectiles

[odd wadi]

Until I reflects shaggy buffed sandwich I disagree

[acoustic belfry]

Yea well, not every projectile but most projectiles, making 90% of the entirety of multiversus character's projectile useless

And you can take that advantage by sending projectiles since they need to attack melee

[primal tangle]

wait till he finds out about ww shield that kills every projectile

even the hard ones

[odd wadi]

Yeah that thing used to annoy me so much

Now I just Jason scoop

Or dynamite if I can before it hits me

[drowsy nexus]

Bro the new tnj skin is SERIOUSLY 1500 gleamium? I can't even buy it with the Cybucks?

Darn and I had a good streak going of getting their skins

[hidden verge]

Yoo sparks

[primal tangle]

imagine pfg trying to make money

they forgot they are a charity

[drowsy nexus]

Yes? I'm depressed right now what?

[primal tangle]

u can still grind the skin out

u only need 150k tickets

10k tickets --> circuit --> 100 gleamium

[drowsy nexus]

You can buy out multiple gleamium things?

[primal tangle]

yes

[drowsy nexus]

IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE IN A WEEK!?

[primal tangle]

the event is 2 weeks

• u got the free gleamium from the pass

[drowsy nexus]

Still is that even possible!?

[primal tangle]

it's very possible if u have 12h free a day

[drowsy nexus]

Yeah but I need to save back 950 plus I already bought something for 500

So play 24/7 got it

This is my only hope

[primal tangle]

or u can spend 10 bucks

[latent thicket]

Does the skin even have any special effects or model swaps besides the base character models

[primal tangle]

nope

[latent thicket]

So 1500 for an animation?

Tbh the skin doesn't look good but would've been worth it for weapon model swaps

[drowsy nexus]

I'm a tnj main so I feel obligated to have most skins for them is why

Plus I think they are cool looking

[latent thicket]

I've never played reindog and my life and I got 7 of his skins

[hidden verge]

Oh my fault gang

[drowsy nexus]

Nah it's fine I've been remotivated

I need to get 150k cybucks in 2 weeks

Or worst comes to worst I wait a couple weeks for my b day and buy some gleamium but still I wanna try and get it for free

[drowsy nexus]

It would feel alot more satisfying that way

[hidden verge]

Imma just buy it

[drowsy nexus]

Cool....I gotta grind

[primal tangle]

u still haven't LULE

[hidden verge]

I mean I just gotta spend 5 bucks

It’s fine

[hidden verge]

I’ll play 2s with you if you wanna play that

[primal tangle]

it's pretty worth it

[hidden verge]

Agreed

Me and sparks can just steam roll

[drowsy nexus]

Sure just lemme finish some missions in rifts

And hey even if I don't get 150k cybucks I could always spend my earnings on the rest of the circuit drone skins

[full glen]

What are good perks for T&J

[hidden verge]

I personally use

Well rounded

That’s flammable doc

Speed force assist

And pugilist

[full glen]

If the missions don’t refresh I think there’s a cap of 23.3k tickets

[primal tangle]

there is no cap. you get a 100 for every win wearing xp boost variant skin 50 for lose

guess half not wearing a skin

[full glen]

Oh

Ok

Interesting

[primal tangle]

• we get 2 set of missions

[hidden verge]

ready bub?

[drowsy nexus]

In a minute lemme get some breakfast first I literally just woke up to this

[subtle lotus]

Just bought the tnj skin

Its so fire

[drowsy nexus]

...cool

[subtle lotus]

I didnt buy the banner

Bc i alr got the freenemies one

[hidden verge]

Don’t let it pull you down

You got this

[primal tangle]

truuu. did u get the discounted bundle?

[primal tangle]

it's so overpriced

idk why all tnj stuff overpriced af

[subtle lotus]

Yes

So true

[primal tangle]

why didnt they involve the banner in it anyway

I would've paid for it with a 30% discount

[hidden verge]

The sea one is better anyway

[drowsy nexus]

Alright think I'm ready

[primal tangle]

it's also very expensive

[drowsy nexus]

Pfft you all with your fancy banners while I got the best tnj banner

Cheesy temptations

[primal tangle]

600 gleamium

[drowsy nexus]

I got it from the battlepass