Taz

[vital anchor]

It's not bad either but I don't pay attention to the stacks and whenever I do and I see my opponent as a chicken it's a "oh yeah the passive"

I do feel like the chicken should be larger or make the effect last longer since it is meant to be a punishment for the opponent for letting Taz apply all stacks on them

[radiant geode]

Im hoping they buff the chicken debuff yea

Its really just a Win-more effect rn which makes it pointless

Its not even a strategy to lean on, in most cases it gives you a short amount of time to be aggressive which already happens while the opponents in burnout

And the opponent goes into cooldown after they get chicken’s once

They really need to make it happen faster tbh

So Taz has more of an Identity to his strategy instead of getting lucky and turning them into a chicken once in a blue moon

[signal violet]

imo chickens good

i can manage to get it on prety even 1v1s if i just get a good combo or a few charged neutrals in , shouldnt happen too much anyway with it completely disabling the opponent

if your fighting someone slow like jason or iron giant its nasty

[worthy bear]

then should move the fighting dust cloud to a down special and do something new for a recovery

[radiant geode]

Taz new up Special he scoops you up into a cooking pot and cooks you

[signal violet]

also true taz can not recover for his life

[signal violet]

no real uair with no actual recovery toool is rough

[honest maple]

This character is so bad 💀

[main ermine]

they hinted at buffs

but yeah the teching ruined his combo potential and the lock out mechanic for dair and simultaneous attacks make his moves not go through

its easier to parry on other characters vs Taz for some reason

[honest maple]

Im hoping he gets a big rework honestly, what hes working with rn is not it

[main ermine]

his grab move also is buggy and spits them out weirdly

visually, and he cant spit back projectile compared to beta

for example batarang

but i saw hitbox overhauls and movement buffs so maybe

itll be better

[honest maple]

I hope so im struggling with him rn

[main ermine]

he mid tier for sure with tornado priority being changed

compared to the rest of the cast

like rick is nuts

[main ermine]

theres vids and combos in the taz cord

if u wanna see how other tazs are playing

[honest maple]

I actually know alot about him, ive mained him since beta day 1 when he was broken

I just think this games meta rn is against him

[main ermine]

oh ight

yeah theres a lot of bs with taz

[honest maple]

I just want some combo expression with him, all im doin is fishing for nair over and over lol

Having one of the worst jabs dont help either

[main ermine]

theres a good amount of combos but most are nairs for sure lol

and the teching mechanic changed and kinda ruined some of the combos i found

but jab into dtilt into cooldown upspecial is cool

since i dont see it used often

[honest maple]

I do that yeah

You dont get much after though

[main ermine]

i also found a boot combo

but i havent test enough but i hit it in lab and training room

rn its works only at high hps and light characters

[honest maple]

His boot is underrated in his kit actually

I miss apple though

[main ermine]

stop

boot is horrible

bring back apple

no matter what

[honest maple]

Boot has its uses, ive had success with it

But its not better than apple

[main ermine]

for what, cause i really need to change my gameplay

its getting stale

[honest maple]

Using boot when getting up from ledge

Helps his recovery a bit

Also spacing it out so after you land it you get a dodge in fair

And its decent for edgeguarding

[main ermine]

alr yea ive been trying to use the tiny arch from boot to edge guard lol

[honest maple]

Id be down to run a mirror set not rn though I just got a headache from ranked 🙂

[main ermine]

for sure, needa warm up since ive havent played this season expect for getting master rank and doing events

havent seen how other tazs are playing rn

with the new changes

[honest maple]

Bet later today after im back from work ill be on

Btw wheres the taz cord

[radiant geode]

Taz could use alittle help I agree with shields being added. I think he is 100% getting something next season.

[signal violet]

yeah tbf shields sound so rough for taz

[cunning eagle]

Taz is gonna be unstoppable once we get shields

no more being zoned by morties

[signal violet]

yeah like no more nado too 😭

[honest maple]

The price to pay for shields, his bad matchups will definitely be better with shieds

Shields*

[cunning eagle]

if you wanna get good at Taz you gotta learn that nado isnt actually the goat...

spamming nado leaves you open to punishment and makes you easy to read
plus it is super easy to parry!

i use it primarily off stage

which is still viable for shields

since shielding only works on platforms

[signal violet]

nah i mean taz ik

just makes it even worse though

you aint ever gona land it on a grounded target

[cunning eagle]

I think that shielding will help taz more than it nerfs him

Considering they have hardly any range

The best they have is the boot

[flint leaf]

Against higher skilled ppl you probably will not be hitting a naked nado on a grounded opponent period. Shielding won't make much of a difference, tomorrow we shall see what they do with taz. Hoping for a rework

[radiant geode]

Taz I hope gets a speed boost to nado

It being walk speed is dumb

If yall wanna be that guy with Taz, Camp on platforms while holding grounded Neutral aiming down through the Platform lul

Players will hate ur guts

Barf goes though platforms

[vital anchor]

A faster nado is all I want for Taz

[vital anchor]

We won, the Taz skin is a battle pass skin

[radiant geode]

If they focusing on Taz this season I feel a buff really coming

It we can fall faster while using aerial boot with Taz, hes about to be so good this season

[honest maple]

maybe combos after down tilt will be more consistent too

[radiant geode]

Yea

[grizzled brook]

new taz skin looks fire

[river galleon]

buffs!

[main ermine]

he needs reddish eyes

[radiant geode]

Im interested to see how the buffs will effect Taz

Im alittle worried what they did to Taz’s fastfall for his nair though

We need to test this

His side Air buff looks nice

They really keep buffing his down attack lol

[worthy bear]

I'd like Taz's Dad from Tazmania as a skin

[cunning eagle]

no way they decided to make nado suck

[nimble hatch]

The changes are interesting, weird they don't mention the weird hurtbox on jab or anything else being adjusted.

I'm still pretty underwhelmed just from the notes

[late prairie]

I would be surprised
But were talking about player first game
Like
They are the LJN of plat fighters

[radiant geode]

They just removed one of Taz’s edge-guard tools lol

Oh well I guess the Bad Taz Player’s bout to get culled

Testing his Down Attack combos

It feels slightly easier to chain dodge Jabs out his downAttack Combos

We are eating good with Sair Buff holy

They need to rework Nado if they are gonna make it a Non Existent attack though

Because Im never using the attack again lol

Not even to edge-Guard

Sweet Baby Jesus Taz’s low Hop Nair ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️

[vital anchor]

What happened to Taz's spin?

I'm afraid to know the answer if they killed the move

[radiant geode]

He got stuff in return

You gotta Aim tornado better instead of fastfalling onto players with it now

He lost wallguard using tornado sadly

[vital anchor]

It doesn't sound bad actually

[radiant geode]

Dropped an example of how easy you can low hop nair in the Combos section

It was me just testing stuff out

Im sure it can be extended

[vital anchor]

I'm playing Taz in the lab rn and I'm feeling the nado change so Taz can't just spin at free will

[radiant geode]

Kinda sux tho was fun being able to drop onto opponents while at a disadvantage and reverse them

We lost a few forms of gameplay expression but it is what it is

Nado will still come up tho

Just gotta aim better

[vital anchor]

Nado still kills which is good

[radiant geode]

Yea

[vital anchor]

I like they wanted to add more skill for the move

[radiant geode]

They should Increase its horizontal movement then atleast

[vital anchor]

Agreed

[radiant geode]

Finn just freaking flies across the map

Taz is stationary lawl

Some assassin

The nerfs across the roster tho I see as a Taz buff also

[vital anchor]

It's a fair trade off to make nado less oppressive

[radiant geode]

The trade off is people will stop crying finally

[vital anchor]

I feel like the move needs to be faster or have the same ground movement in the air for nado

[radiant geode]

Yea

Next patch

Mid season lets push for it

U see my small combo?

Posted it in combos

#combos message

[vital anchor]

Yep, Taz's combo game is better

[radiant geode]

Yea horizontal characters getting big buff this patch

[main ermine]

not feeling good bout the changes

[radiant geode]

We lost a few Interactions with Taz but gained some awesome combos

I wanna see AppleCore return tbh

With boot as the cooldown move

[molten frost]

Scum

[final raven]

Did they really gut Taz

Poor guy

[obtuse wave]

Wtf yyyyy his Bread and Butter!!!!

[late prairie]

just pfg being pfg as always

[late prairie]

scum guy

is that you?

😮

is it really you?!

[molten frost]

I’m back

[vital anchor]

Taz pretty much received similar treatment from Beta and in Modern Multiversus:

His nado became a mid tool overall (but still kills) but in trade to make his kit more versatile since he has a great nair and his non-nado kill conforms and combos are still usable

I still want nado to be good though since it is his signature move and defies him in Multiversus*

It's hard to ballance nado without making it toxic and a Alpha situation but it was one of the most versatile specials in the game since it's the spindash equivalent in Multiversus

[river galleon]

I felt it in rifts yesterday

Not being able to fast-fall while doing it is crazy

Mostly gonna be an air-to-air tool now, I guess

Situational kill move if nothing else

[radiant geode]

Taz feels good in terms of his combo game. If PFG wants to make him a legit threat in the format, speed up his horizontal speed of his tornado, and allow it to be dodge canceled out of. Give him more tasty stacks also.

PFG gotta stop being so Afraid of Taz being good, meanwhile they accidentally give a Banana a 0tD and PPG had the most Blatantly obvious Broken perk that anyone playing the game could of seen being broke.

[neon timber]

Nerfed taz way too much

Side special is horrible

[gritty bloom]

The tornado feels aweful now, but did they also somehow change his nair? Feels like everyone falls out of the first hit now, knocking them behind you. That used to only happen if I hit them at a wrong angle before

[neon timber]

He really feels unplayable at the moment

He's the only character I like to use.But now I don't even feel like playing the game

[gritty bloom]

down air feels super smooth now though

[cunning eagle]

The devs couldve always just... not made these changes to Taz

[fathom pasture]

Yo

[olive rock]

Been better off deleting tornados and adding something else. I’m convinced they don’t think much

[signal violet]

yoo no way

[obtuse wave]

I used to use Tazs Tornado while the enemy clung to the wall and fast fall on em. Now I cannot punish the wall clinging chickens . I know I could use another down attack but it was so satisfying punishing them with that move.

[radiant geode]

Thats my issue, that was one of his anti Superman tools

[vital anchor]

Taz feels empty if his nado isn't good because... it's his iconic move...

[vital anchor]

I wouldn't mind nado lost kill power to be a utility tool if it allowed him to destroy projectiles and break armor

[signal violet]

holy no fastfall on nado

RİP taz

actual useless move now

that feels so bad to use bruh

[nimble hatch]

Raven gets cool arial movement with lenore and we get gutted

are we supposed to play in the air or on the ground pfg

are we little mac or wario or just lame

[signal violet]

i keep nadoing in the air and just staying still there it feels so wrong

[nimble hatch]

It's been what, 6 months and Taz still feels like an unfinished character while smith and finn are touch of deathing people

[radiant geode]

And move way faster, make it for racking up damage and closing distance and Hes amazing

Also the Ability to dodge cancel out of it like we can with Dogpile

Also they didnt compensate the removal of our weaken stacks we apply with eat, Im not sure even if it Applies Tasty but if they made it apply a bunch. Would make Taz feel more like he knows what he wants to do

[nimble hatch]

I'd like to see some sort of two combos in to tasty

and buff chicken debuff

like sitting the live balance guy down with the taz community would be awesome

cause it feels like they are just throwing one or two changes out and then pulling our power back in another way for no real benefit to the character over all

I don't feel any stronger from before even the down attack change

just different

Even the way soup hits doesn't really change what he does

[signal violet]

idk with nado being useless probably gona drop taz for a bit

hes just not fun

[nimble hatch]

I'm gonna have to find someone else to hit masters on this season

[vital anchor]

Taz's chews should've applied tasty stacks like in beta or have him heal by the amount of tasty

[radiant geode]

never UNderstood why they kept making Taz have less Utility, that makes the game less fun

[vital anchor]

It's the whole point of Taz's kit to have utility to make up his poor range outside of dogpile. I wish Taz can contiunleslly eat projectiles when his neutral special is held (again like in Beta) and make his Tornado at least versatile

Taz isn't bad but will get boring if he often needs to use nair for his combos and doesn't have any other ways to fight

[signal violet]

yeah no nado drop is just nair spam now

no other way of aproaching anything

[radiant geode]

PFG I feel isnt paying enough attention to him to get him right

[vital anchor]

I know they want to avoid creating Alpha Taz 2.0 but you can't just nerf Taz's best option.

It's like Batman without Batterrang and Jake without his fair. Still usable without them but it doesn't feel the same without those options

[radiant geode]

Batman has all the Utility in the world and damage its not even funny

I get it Taz is one of the fastest characters in the game, his Tornado however feels like a Please hit me Im floating here move

Like if they made Taz‘s tornado move super fast with that floaty‘ness I suppose it would have it‘s aggressive use.

[signal violet]

yeah nado is straight up a hit me button

they will leave you alone while you idly go around by yourself and they will punish it

[severe fractal]

Its so slow that it might be best used for trying to do dodge reads or something

[radiant geode]

Its legit only good while at advantage, and its even less accurate for Edge-Guarding now

[gritty bloom]

Its only really usable now when they're knocked to the top half off of the platform in 1's.

[radiant geode]

Move was trash before now it’s a Dumpster Fire On God

Atleast it was fun to use before

[gritty bloom]

Nah, Nado was in the top 3 best moves in MVS before this change

[radiant geode]

Not in high rank play, Its one of the easiest moves to parry

And just walking away solves the nado issue

[gritty bloom]

Naaah, when they go for the parry you just stop a bit

The "smart" players are so much easier to hit

[radiant geode]

Well ya

Doesnt change the fact that alot of characters can Jab you out of nado

[gritty bloom]

Best counter was just to jump off the ledge

True

Even against the high GM players it was super easy to tell when they were going for the tornado parry

[vital anchor]

Nado needs a speed buff or idk make it more punishing to get hit by the move

[radiant geode]

The move only works on bad players on god

[nimble hatch]

meanwhile stripe can fastfall chainsaw

also they gave me taz on arena and it hard crashed first match

[elfin basin]

@dire patio GGs I was the marvin you just played if you main taz idk if this your username on discord lol

[dire patio]

Wrong guy sorry

[elfin basin]

lol mb for pinging you bro

[dire patio]

I was so confused cause I haven't played in like 2 months 😭

[elfin basin]

any taz main named purpletree up in here

[ember gale]

RIP Taznado.. 😢

[signal violet]

we have taz soupconsumage now

its his only good move

[neon timber]

Hate this game. Hope it fails

Went from master rank. Now I can't break platinum

Once i unlock that Taz skin.I'm not touching this game

[maiden dome]

why cant i move down while side special is active

[signal violet]

we are all wondering the same thing 😔

[main ermine]

having to press my spacebar so lightly to where it doesnt feel like im pressing it just to shorthop is the thing that made me not want to play this game

completely ruined my movement/combo playstyle

now im stuck doing nair into jab

[tawdry whale]

I don't mind the side special nerf honestly. I didn't notice it, till recently.

[nimble hatch]

You're literally insane.

[radiant geode]

Taz bottom 1 now, or Velma still got it lol

[signal violet]

nah id say velma lebron and such are still way worse

taz is just bad,not bottom 5

[frank valve]

did i miss something? when did they change tornado, so you cannot descend with it anymore

[sturdy panther]

this patch

[vital anchor]

Taz-Nado received a nerf where Taz can't fast fall when using the move in the air.

It cripples the move entirely due to it being his best edge guard tool and was Taz's best approach option

[frank valve]

yeah i was playing arena today, and tried to approach with it. was super sad when i just floated like a dumbo

[vital anchor]

Taz-Nado is limited as a grounded move now since how slow it is in the air

[frank valve]

appears so

[upbeat cove]

If they want to nerf taz's nado more they need to look at Joker's tools also. They are way more annoying.

Nado fatigue was a good trade off already compare to the alpha/beta nado

[signal violet]

they shoulda just gave more whifflag

i geniunely cant land it outside of 2v2 now

[upbeat cove]

I think wifflag should be a key thing they need on all characters. Jake has suffered from it way too much and has not reverted it.

[signal violet]

imo they should just revert it to beta where you could dodge cancell everything but they aint doing that so just slap more whifflag

atleast that way they dont butcher moves like taznado

[upbeat cove]

I remember someone in the beta/alpha suggesting making the nado have dizzy punishment if used too much and if you use it too much it messes up your attacks

[signal violet]

would be funny lol

if you use it on cooldown you get dizzy and deal less damage/knockback

[upper marsh]

This is cap, Taz kills me at 80 every interaction

[main ermine]

i mean with taz you have to only worry about dying from the sides

when you got characters who can kill you at 40 from the top of the stage

[upper marsh]

up tilt

[main ermine]

uptilt is not killing at 80 lol

or 40

[upper marsh]

Its less the kill power and more the priority

[main ermine]

we were talking about kill power

and uptilt is easily avoidable depending on your character

and when maps have platforms

[upper marsh]

Well I play bugs, a taz that spam up tiult is hard af to hit

and it kills at like 90

[signal violet]

yeah i mean any platform map and your good

even if no platforms just float offstage

dont even need that tbh just walk away

[tawdry whale]

I play both, you can just juke it.

If you're trying to challenge it with a physical attack..... Don't.

[radiant geode]

Taz aint Winning no Tournaments, PFG
Dont know what they’re doing with the character at all.

They made his boot attack while trying To recover from the wall also worse thus removing another tool he had

They want us to only spam Nair into Jab combos or sair and have no creative freedom with Taz I guess

[tawdry whale]

I don't think tournaments are a good metric for characters being under tuned.

If anything it's show which are OP usually.

[nimble hatch]

If tournaments showcase a strong combo and kill game then, yeah, it's a good metric when representation is considered.

If you see characters that enter and fail then you see what's op, if you don't see characters at all then they aren't even competing at a fundamental level.

[signal violet]

doesnt being op mean your good

so if you dont win a tourney your not as good

[tawdry whale]

Not as good doesn't automatically equate to bad.

[vital anchor]

I want the chicken to be half the size of Iron Giant again. Yeah the chicken was still mid in beta but the size made becoming a chicken a nuisance

I think the chicken is Taz's size if not a bit taller rn

[coral jackal]

Goodbye multiversus and Taz. Player first games ruined the small amount of fun that was left

The fact that anyone is talking about anything other than the tornado change proves you aren't Taz players. You don't give a f. There should be outrage right now

There should be a crazy amount of outrage, but since not many people play taz they do not care

Shaggy and all these other characters can still aim their side special. That's insanity to me. The developers are the dumbest people I've ever seen

His tornado hasn't changed for years. Now they change it. I hate player first games

You should fkn hate them too for doing this to us constantly

NO CONSISTENCY. PFG IS STRAIGHT DEI HIRES

YOU LOSERS RUINED A GREAT GAME

This game is diarrhea

[signal violet]

bad in comparison,so it shows who is better

[flint leaf]

He's back chat

[zealous mulch]

i just recently got back into the game after a bit, and does taz feel really off for anyone else

[radiant geode]

This aged poorly

[frank valve]

I predicted that the nado was unintended change, since it was not in the patch notes. it's sad it took a week, but at least the team fixed it

[signal violet]

taz is goated again

awesome sauce

still not really the same but its good

[coral jackal]

Taz isn't goated again. They ruined him just like they ruined this game

They didn't fix anything

[signal violet]

atleast his moves are usable now

the standarts are just low

[coral jackal]

He can't fast fall with the tornado

[signal violet]

i mean

true

he just falls

[coral jackal]

He slowly floats down. He can't compete with the other characters

Black Adam, Raven, powerpuff girls and everyone else just flying across the map. Taz is locked into a slow moving tornado that can't even fast fall anymore

[sullen cosmos]

boys

tornato falls again

is it back

or naw

[vital anchor]

Wish the internet outage is over soon so I can see if Nado did gained it's fast fall again

Oh my god I read the patch notes and yes I think it's back...

[teal crown]

Taz players r the biggest cry babies I’ve ever seen

They get a nerf to one move while everything else in their kit gets buffed every patch

And they can’t play the game anymore

[nimble hatch]

They also get ragebabies in here saying they got it good cause now they have to play against it now

it's weird how non taz players come in here to see the discussion for some reason, almost like they just got beat by one

[teal crown]

I can’t believe taz players r real

How r u this carried by one move

[nimble hatch]

just parry it

[teal crown]

I’m not complaining about it

My complaint is how carried u guys r

U got buffed so much in every patch

[nimble hatch]

Say your main, coward

[teal crown]

And one slight nerf to tornado and u can’t play the game anymore

[teal crown]

Wonder Woman, u know a character who actually uses their whole kit

[nimble hatch]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

lasso cryin bros

[teal crown]

Bro u can remove lasso and I would still beat u every time

I don’t need that move at all

It’s called not relying on a crutch

A taz player couldn’t comprehended this

Taz has some of the best buttons in the game

But u drones only know how to use side b

[nimble hatch]

if he does then how do you beat taz every time

wow such logic

[teal crown]

What r u even talking about

Oh wait English isn’t tornado

It’s too hard for taz players

[nimble hatch]

best buttons in the game but i can still beat you without one of my moves

pick a side

[teal crown]

It’s cause taz players suck

I’m not complaining about how hard u guys r too beat

[nimble hatch]

keep getting nado'd brother i've got scrubs to eat

[teal crown]

Thankfully ur about as smart as a bag of bricks so I can still win with u playing such an op character

Cause u only use tornado

And when that move gets nerfed ur all rendered incapable of playing the game

Even tho the rest of taz’s kit is unbelievable broken

[radiant geode]

As a Taz player who uses his whole kit, Tornado being nerfed bothered me, because it removed his edge-guard sauce using it. Im fully aware of Taz’s strengths of his other moves.

If ur a Taz player who only relied on Nado sure. Dont be coming at the Taz players, because we were upset for losing another utility in his kit.

WW is probably one of the easiest characters to play in the game considering her hitbox size:Damage-output:Speed while having an amazing kit to boot.

[coral jackal]

I won't use tornado one time and I'll beat you easily. They removed the fun from tazs kit. His movement is horrible now. He can't cancel the tornado and he's stuck in a slow moving attack. All they've ever done is remove the fun from the game since beta

Anyone not complaining must love being taken advantage of

Some of us paid a lot of money for all of Taz skins and other things in the game. Just for them to change it and me to not want to play at all. That's unfair

How does the game change so much every patch? There's no consistency and no clear direction

[signal violet]

wonder woman complaining about taz 💀

probably like tazs worst matchup 💀

[gritty bloom]

Fast fall nado feels slower than before, or is that just me?

[tawdry whale]

Honestly, too many people just complain about their character not being broken.

Taz is fine, the other characters need to be paired down.

Superman should be more committal, WW could be slower..... ECT ect

[river galleon]

I just read

LET'S GOOOO

[signal violet]

yeah its slower

[flint leaf]

Sounds like your hard stuck plat 🤣

[teal crown]

I’m master 1 every season

[flint leaf]

Then what are you whining for

Just wanted to come in here and show people that you mean business? Like lmao ur wasting yours and everyone else's time

[teal crown]

I’m saying u guys r carried

It’s not whining it’s facts

I have never seen this level of crying from one minor nerf

[flint leaf]

It's pointless. That's what it is

[teal crown]

When ur character gets buffed all the time

[flint leaf]

Rage baiting? No? Then what? I ain't crying about nado. I'd rather have a diff move honestly. Nado is the most uninteresting move he has. But Good taz mains know that. Coming into a community server calling ppl braindead just ain't it man. Be better

[flint leaf]

I believe in you dawg

[teal crown]

It’s not rage baiting

U guys genuinely tilt me from all the whining u do

U play an over powered af character

Who gets BUFFED

and after he gets buffed

U complain

[flint leaf]

So if you are not rage baiting, and your not complaining. Then why are you here? Lmao you needed to get this off your chest? There is many other issues in the game. Go use your time wisely and talk about real problems. Or provide some valid feedback on how this "op af" character can change for the better. Because right now you look foolish and are waisting people's time with senseless messages.

[teal crown]

Of course a taz player thinks it’s foolish to say a broken af character doesn’t need a buff

Yeah makes sense

[flint leaf]

My god it's like talking to a wall

[tawdry whale]

Consider not feeding trolls just mute or ignore.

[signal violet]

W ragebbait!

[radiant geode]

Taz is like Bottom 5 and this player calling him Op is really funny

[nimble hatch]

Guys calm down, I already clapped him.

The man's already at 16 tasty

[tawdry whale]

#wishlist-discussion message

[late prairie]

its top 5 easiest characters
even steve from smash is more honest than wonder braindead

[late prairie]

wonder woman?
sit down

easy af character
literally the only reason i dont main ww is becasue is so easy and boring to use

[signal violet]

100% of dmg healed from chew is crazy

[tawdry whale]

No 100% of the damage done by chew, it matches the damage done by chewing.

[signal violet]

sry i worded wrong thats what i meant though

[lyric urchin]

Reversing opponent controls is disgusting. Absolutely not on that one. The others seem fine, but the bite and chew heal might be a bit too strong imo

[neon timber]

Why would they nerf a character that is not even meta

[vital anchor]

nado is pretty much the main thing people complain about Taz. it was always a controversial move if you're aren't used to Taz

[signal violet]

yeah its the ultimate noobstomp move

you just get punished for walking into it

if you know the mu your not geting hit by that lol

[tawdry whale]

My thinking is that it isn't easy to hit unless you opponent is super predictable. As well having the perk makes the opponent aware that you want to eat them.

With Dizzy my initial thought was dodge bar drain and slow, but backwards inputs felt more appropriate for a "dizzy" effect. I think if the reverse inputs are short enough it won't be too problematic.

[signal violet]

reverse inputs for like,half a second maybe at most

because thats crazy

[lyric urchin]

Ok but like this just makes tornado edgeguards even better and tornado is already harder to avoid off stage

[vital anchor]

Taz should be able to eat all heavy projectiles again like he did in beta. it made him unique of a anti-projectile move that can deal with certain projectiles

[lyric urchin]

The only heavy projectiles he can’t eat are Bugs rocket and Jerry, right?

I mean, there’s only like 4 or 5 heavy projectiles in the game

1. Bugs safe
2. Bugs rocket
3. Jerry
4. Shaggy super sandwich

[vital anchor]

It made Taz fun though and doesn't always force anvil whenever Bugs or Tom are in a match*

Taz was a effective counter for Tom and Bugs since he can remove their tools. he can even eat Marvin's spaceship too in beta along with it's rocket that's also a heavy projectile

Taz can't even spit out most projectiles in the game anyways or his spit out versions are just worse than what the opponent sent out

[tawdry whale]

I think Taz not being able to delete the necessary tool is a reasonable choice.

But

Safe is paper thin now

And Several characters can very easily delete those same tools, so like what's the point?

[lyric urchin]

Oh I forgot about Marvin’s rocket

[radiant geode]

They can keep Taz nado a combo piece, if people hate it that much. Just make his other moves outside nair good

[main ermine]

we need teching gone

[sullen cosmos]

I SAY- I SAY, YALL CHARACTER HOT GARBAGE SON.

[tawdry whale]

Everything's getting stuffed by just anything 😐😑😐

[tawdry whale]

Still better than Marvin

[vital anchor]

I definitely need to use boot more against Jack

I love being outraged by every character

BTW, the dogpile perk should've been implemented to his base kit and I still belive it

[main ermine]

they f over this character

"hinting changes for taz" and hardly anything changed

[signal violet]

samurai is so rough

you just cant come close to him in any way,he has stupid broken range and priority

[vital anchor]

Taz isn't good against characters with disjoints since gatekeeping him is the way to beat him

[signal violet]

yeah

[tawdry whale]

Most *Sig perks feel like base kit stuff tbh.

[late prairie]

i mean, we're talking about pfg crew
i trust more in the works of a monkey with brain damage than them

[signal hawk]

SECONDED! BEEN THINKING THE SAME THING! Hugh skin when tho!

[signal hawk]

Yeah it makes zero sense dogpile being a perk when other characters get teammate abilities that are more useful and don't take up a whole ass perk. I guess the pay off is andvil and dogpile can be used together even tho both mid af.

[radiant geode]

100% this, Other characters have way more utility in 2‘s than Taz

[sullen cosmos]

I continue to say- I say yall character hot garbage son. He needa buff son.

🐔

[radiant geode]

Yes he‘s Hot Garbage because all the Oversights by the devs with him.

They didnt have an issue giving Batman an entire new Dash Attack when he was already a Powerful character

[sullen cosmos]

😀

[tawdry whale]

Also making his old powerful dash attack easier to do. 🙃

[late prairie]

And ajax was like were cooking

Boy never let him cook again
He cooks and burns the house just to make a glass of milk

[late prairie]

Becuase the devs are biasef

Look at ww or ig

[vital anchor]

The Mythic Vista Taz skin is peak ngl

Definitely buying it for the event when I have enough event currency

[main ermine]

i think ima have to betray my taz collection for the joker skin

best looking skin out of them all imo

[tawdry whale]

School uniforms are better across the board. Batman is cool tho

[vital anchor]

the Mythic Vista skins in general are amazing

[mighty jacinth]

#clips message

Super secret Taz tech. Don't tell PFG 🤫

[left vector]

Is Taz mid tier

[vital anchor]

Taz is a mixed character overall where people say he's terrible or is the most slept on fighter in the game

Taz did fell off due to his side special being nerfd, which is his best tool due to it being versatile

Taz's weird but my stance is that he isn't hot garbage but he isn't a top tier either. it's just he's incredibly flawed when it shows from a passive meta is growing

[radiant geode]

Taz is medium tier

[river galleon]

Taz is... what tier?

[radiant geode]

Taz is Taz Tier

[signal violet]

tazs only good because you catch one bad di and kill at ledge on 10 dmg sumthing

other than that idk man

[lusty iris]

Nice pfp

[radiant geode]

Thanks

[molten frost]

Yo what’s goodie

[noble oak]

Started playing Taz for the EXP bonus after getting the delinquent variant

Because I am not a DC person lol

He's very um

Strange to understand how to play sometimes despite his hyper aggressive playstyle

[vital anchor]

Taz is and aways meant to be a hyper aggressive, in your face fighter with his movement and specials

[noble oak]

Think I need to properly learn the character then lol

[final raven]

How in the sigma do you play this character nowadays

[river galleon]

A lot of short hop Nair for neutral

Down special actually stacking tasty is huge cuz you can zone out better with it

But yeah, Jab is still slow and tiny, so you p much have to confirm off nair

And get reads to hit side special in the air

[main ermine]

Nair Nair Nair

[final raven]

In 2s if the opponents can outspace me and start camping it's actually literally over

[signal violet]

taz doesnt even feel like its a rushdown

i feel like im mostly just waiting for my opponent to whiff so i can nair

and the nado range is actually puny,it has no priority and doesnt even trade with some jabs 😦

[tawdry whale]

All they had to do is make Taz super vulnerable on start up or whiff.

(already vulnerable on start up lol)

[final raven]

I've noticed that, tornado barely has any priority now, also more importantly it no longer sucks the opponent into it properly so occasionally you hit the opponent for one frame and then the tornado just drops

[tawdry whale]

Do both, and choose the one *your teammate doesn't have.

[tawdry whale]

I personally run 5%, burn, and shock. takes boot from a simple disrupter to adding good damage.

It comes down to how much you use Taz's projectiles honestly.

[signal violet]

ik its good but i rarely use the boot

its really good against someone like ig that has no counterplay but its such a long animation you get stuck in for a very bad projectile thast usually wont do nothing idk

[rapid rapids]

I used to use down special a lot in beta when it was decent. Then launch happened and I had to retrain my muscle memory to pretty much never use it because it was basically a useless button. Now it's decent again and I need to try and retrain my muscle memory again to not avoid it like the plague. Haven't really managed it yet, but also haven't really been playing enough to really push at it and been playing too many characters at once

[tawdry whale]

I mostly use it to interrupt attacks. I definitely wouldn't just throw it out.

[signal violet]

i feel like even than theres better options like ntilt

[native timber]

Taz players

I am here to sincerely apologize for hating you

This character has more bugs than even Jason

[signal violet]

nah jason main has the right of crying about taz ur good g

[native timber]

Thanks man but me playing Taz myself I'm more scared my moves are going to bug than I am of my opponent 😭

[late prairie]

You are forgiven my child

[nimble hatch]

i'm so depressed playing this game bro

all that dev time on hitboxes and it all feels the same

this stuff screams of not enough people and too many deadlines

feels good waiting 700 seconds for a match too

in plat

[tawdry whale]

The game needs time to polish and the ftp format doesn't really allow it.

It's getting better though.

[nimble hatch]

It's debatable.

right now i'm having to reset my client every couple of matches to get matchmaking to work

I turned on crossplay for a few matches to try and get in to games faster and they were just worse games

getting scooped from outside hitbox ranges

projectiles and effects just disappearing

things like raven calling to lenore for the long strand of purple

just doesn't show up sometimes

[tawdry whale]

I mostly haven't seen these recently.

I know matchmaking can run long, but I reset at 50(that point is usually a sign it'll go on forever)

And

Big characters still have exaggerated hurtboxes, IG, Jason, and Garnet. Get hit by phantom touches. I don't see it with other characters.

[nimble hatch]

you can still hit people with neutral from behind you which makes me think there was a deadline on this stuff

just skimming

too many holes, not enough hands

[tawdry whale]

Punches that reel back mostly. And Banana guards forward special.

[nimble hatch]

When you devote dev teams to hitboxes

they better work cause it's been 6 months since they've been that way

and they aren't gonna go back

[tawdry whale]

Funnily they over trimmed bugs neutral attack. It's clearly a circle, you just watch the hammer go through people.

He often whiff because he steps forward. Like he can miss someone right in front of him.

[nimble hatch]

it's okay his neutral air is still busted

the ammount of spam people get away with in this game is unreal

[tawdry whale]

No it's not, it isn't early Multiversus nair.

[nimble hatch]

it's better with the new airdrift

he can just drag you across the stage

[tawdry whale]

No bugs lack natural momentum now, he has to eat through bar to connect

[nimble hatch]

just go through rabbit hole to get all of your free momentum

[tawdry whale]

Tbh I hate nair because it's becoming quite clear that's all they want him to do.

[nimble hatch]

batman slide catching people in the air

meanwhile we duck under any small jump but still get hit by raven's raven

and pies

cause they hit sliding

i just got grabbed by a smith clone

20 seconds after it was gone

it spawned under a banana guard and grabbed me

[tawdry whale]

That's Smith passive, his teammate gets an agent too.

[nimble hatch]

yeah but just holding it forever

is rediculous

i also had a dot tick on me after respawning too, like I could legit make pages on pages of bugs

[tawdry whale]

It's not LeBron's balls tho

[sonic crag]

Just got back into the game after a while, kind of upset that Taz cant fall nearly as fast with his air special (tornado) i would be able to fall and damage players much easier with that.

Anyone else notice that change?

[nimble hatch]

It was worse until they "fixed it"

Feels good trying to cover the ledge only for them to see it and fast fall out of something you can't cancel

[vital anchor]

I should really use boot more often since it's how Taz can deal with some characters easier

though if Taz can spit out boot faster or functioned like how Taz's down special was in beta it would be better since it helps his approaching without nair nor nado

[tawdry whale]

Might change doubt it'll be a nerf at this point

[signal violet]

yeah theres really nothing left to nerf

[final raven]

I can't believe I'm saying this but they really need to buff Tornado

Or at least fix it

So many times it drops randomly

[radiant geode]

Tornado got fixed I can fastfall with it Yeeeesss

[vital anchor]

yay I can fast fall as Taz again : )

[sullen cosmos]

I still see people whining about Taz yeeesh

They nerf yall and they still lose. How long is it going to take them to realize they are just bad.

[sullen cosmos]

Taz nado look fun again hurry for Taz mains!

[vital anchor]

nado demolishes sheilds btw

[radiant geode]

Yes Be at Half Stamina and see what happens if you block Nado

[inland merlin]

Nerf Taz tornado and his sandwich move

Anyone that says Taz isn’t top tier is down playing super bad. Has so many confirmed combos no matter what damage

[river galleon]

Someone got looped for their bad DI lol

[sullen cosmos]

💀

[late prairie]

It was already nerfed
Question which character are you using?

[final raven]

Buff Taz

[inland merlin]

Not nerfed enough lol but I use Garnet

[lyric urchin]

Bro Garnet is better than Taz

[inland merlin]

How is she better when she has been blessed with having more whiff frames?

[tawdry whale]

Weight, damage, range, and a strong projectile.

Taz is very stubby and a lot of his moves can be stuffed. He does grind up big bodies to be fair.

[inland merlin]

Ok weight is given, Damage is only if she can land a hit, range is absolutely terrible lol

[tawdry whale]

More range compared to his, and you can get some distance with di.

[inland merlin]

Taz has grounded loop combos though. Garnet doesn’t

Also with Taz being smaller and faster he has advantage Garnets size and slow movement are a disadvantage

[lyric urchin]

Better combos, better kill power, higher weight, better anti-projectile zoning, longer range

[inland merlin]

Nah Taz is far better at this point If I get combo looped by a Taz player I just jump off stage and clip it and send it to PFG cause there isn’t a point in trying to play against a character that has a lot of OP moves like nado and dogpile

[tawdry whale]

Nado can be poked, and dogpile can certainly be *out maneuvered.

[lyric urchin]

Not to be that guy, but it’s kind of a skill issue. Clap out of shield will literally beat every Taz option and clap kills at like 80-90

Sair 1 into sair 2 kills off stage at as early as 30

Rhythm 3 gives you armor breaker

[inland merlin]

Well i believe he outmatches Garnet cause of only one projectile that can be used to fully stop it and dogpile has a chance to be outmaneuvered but its a small chance and the taz players ive played use dogpile offstage which is very hard to avoid

[tawdry whale]

I didn't want to say that, but yeah she has solutions for Taz.

Nair, down attack, side special

[lyric urchin]

Like yeah Garnet being big means that Taz gets better combos on you, but you can really shut down mindless Taz offense with a bit of practice

[inland merlin]

Well really 80-90 just depends on the stage. If it’s a small stage then it’s possible but it doesn’t kill on larger stages. But also I didn’t know that clap could be useful out of shields against taz. Thanks for that tip

[lyric urchin]

Clap has a stupidly wide hitbox

No idea how it made it past the hitbox adjustments ngl

[inland merlin]

I’ll just have to hope onto the lab and see more into it.

[lyric urchin]

If you can get parry timing down, you can really kill Taz for being too aggressive

[inland merlin]

Well clap does still drop sometimes against smaller characters. It’s several times that clapped dropped on Taz for me and idk why but it happens every now and then

[tawdry whale]

Hell you can just block now (not tornado obviously)

[inland merlin]

Yeah tornado and dogpile can’t be blocked fr it kills the meter

[lyric urchin]

Does nado beat shield? I haven’t played Taz since shields were dropped

[inland merlin]

If it’s a fresh nado that’s not on cool down then yeah nado can beat shield

[tawdry whale]

Dodge meter is eaten up by hits while blocking, tornado does a lot of hits.

[lyric urchin]

Ah I see

[late prairie]

Mmm
Kinda makes sense
Garnet is rn the best mu for taz (not that he is better than her, its just that he has better chances defeating her than the rest)
But still
with garnet you can stop nado with all side special, charged attacks and nair
Not even jason is the best mu for taz
Thats sad
Where in a point that jason, the punching bag of s1, its better than taz

[nimble hatch]

Dev's please fix taz's passive, i'm sick of having my moves canceled

I love runing for a dash attack to lick and have it just turn in to jab

it's been SO long, just fix it

[nimble hatch]

Prolly the hardest and most frustrating climb to masters to date.

[late prairie]

finally got it in master V
not gonna touch ranked again
and istg if they took my rp and will freaking riot

[nimble hatch]

You can tell the dev team is gunshy with how much they are handling taz with kid gloves.

Meanwhile marci has the most outrageous hitboxes. I've never seen a small dev team put out content like they work in different states from each other.

It's like they all work from home or something.

[soft cipher]

What perks y'all run on taz?

[tawdry whale]

5%, burn, speed, shock

Also

5%,snowball, speed, pugilist

---

Neutral charge and boot attack is a projectile, how I apply burn/shock.

[soft cipher]

Oh nice
Thank youu

[inland merlin]

Since when did taz get a 0tD combo lol

[inland merlin]

I believe they literally do lol some of the devs don’t work at a designated office. Cause why else would they do their pre-season release videos from their own homes

[signal violet]

di out

[inland merlin]

Yeah I found out I could. Just only in 1 direction though

[final raven]

Charged downtilt has gotta be the worst charge move in the game

Even fully charged against a high dmg enemy it just won't kill them

Ok nvm what am I saying I play Reindog lol

Still pretty bad though

[tawdry whale]

Not a kill move it's for combos and interrupting armored attacks.

That said I have killed folks on the ledge with it, it'll spike the diagonally.

[lyric urchin]

The first hit had a pretty high amount of base knockback. I haven’t hit it before, but it would be pretty funny to edgeguard with airwalker dtilt

[signal violet]

i dont even think its that good for combos outside of giant chars

id rather go for jab ntilt every time instead of trying something with dtilt

[lyric urchin]

On larger characters, jab dtilt will link back into jab, so it’s more worth it

So you can do something like jab -> dtilt -> jab -> ntilt -> sair

[final raven]

It will not. Enemies can tech roll

It's not a true combo

[lyric urchin]

Is that only if they hold down?

I thought dtilt would only bounce them once tho

[signal violet]

yeah i mean taz just gets away with silly things on large characters dtilt or not though

[final raven]

I hate when I try doing down tilt but Taz just crouches

[flint leaf]

that never happens, are you using right stick for attacks>

[final raven]

I'm on a kb

[steep dragon]

is there any counter to you guys besides having a mage, or do yall actually just have it that easy

[signal violet]

nah your just really bad 🙏

[late prairie]

Which character do you use?

[steep dragon]

marvin. not asking for myself. i just see teamates struggle a bunch agsint him

and ive struggled in a few games agaisnt him when i was playing stripe

hes not my main though

[final raven]

Just realized if u eat someone and chew them it doesn't count towards chicken

This game is so bad

[tawdry whale]

Chew was for weakened, and weakened is gone.... Except for Batman(seriously wtf) and Jack in duos(which means his partner gets it too)

Salt, soup and boot does chicken/cooked

[lyric urchin]

I was gonna say. I didn’t think chew ever applied extra tasty, even back in beta. But now since weaken is gone (except Batman god please remove that perk and Jack), I guess chew is just extra damage

I haven’t tested, but chew might unstale your other moves letting any frequently used kill moves kill slightly earlier

Similarly to how pummels in Smash unstale moves by replacing them in the stale move queue

[vital anchor]

Tasty is a mid debuff overall as it's difficult for him to apply 16 stacks and even then the enemy can still run away on top of the debuff lasts shorter when Taz hits the enemy

[lyric urchin]

Getting tasty debuff is only really viable against the big characters like Jason and Garnet because they take more combo hits and are just easier to hit because they’re big

Honestly if they were to buff the tasty debuff to make it legitimately threatening, the only change it really needs is to make it so chickens have no dodge invincibility

Because currently, if you actually get the tasty off, your opponent can pretty easily circle camp you using platforms because Taz’s jump height is bad

[tawdry whale]

I suspect tasty is meant to be ticked up by your teammate in duos.

I don't think they actually wanted Taz to get opponents cooked on his own. (That's my theory anyway)

[signal violet]

my main problem with tasty is that if the enemy lets you get 16 hits that quick you probably dont need the tasty buff anyways

[lyric urchin]

I think I might get like maybe one extra hit in when my opponent is a chicken and that hit is never enough to kill

[tawdry whale]

Taz's neutral attack can go through Bug's tunnel.

Not that useful but it's neat.

[lyric urchin]

I mean, it is a projectile

[signal violet]

wtf it can?

i tought bugs was straight up invincible during that

[lyric urchin]

He means with your teammate as Bugs I think

You can use neutral attack to spit soup into the tunnel and it comes out the other side

But ngl Bugs tunnel especially with the perk is one of the most obnoxious moves in the entire game

[tawdry whale]

It's not that bad, people smack me out of it all the time.

It's way softer than people think

[lyric urchin]

That little explosion every time you leave a tunnel makes it near impossible to punish without a parry

But I find it a lot harder to parry on reaction compared to something like Batman’s grapple

[tawdry whale]

It's not, impossible. That's why I usually leave it after a pop up.

[lyric urchin]

I mean, in general trying to punish bugs for using tunnel is just asking to get punished yourself

It’s easier to just camp out the timer and let Bugs get stage control

A lot of Bugs players I’ve noticed will just blow all their resources at once

Safe you can eat as Taz, but just camp out rocket and Tunnel with platforms

[tawdry whale]

Those resources are meant to interact with each other so they're often used together.

[lyric urchin]

I know but I’ll often see safe and rocket thrown into the tunnel and the safe does literally nothing because it just zooms into the blast zone

[tawdry whale]

I honestly don't know why some people do that.

[vital anchor]

Taz should've honestly have his tasty stacks reduced to online 14 or 12 imo.

A problem with Taz and other fighters with perks that requires to apply multiple stacks in order to activate is it's rather difficult or requires god tier combos/readings in order to pull off

They can make being a chicken more punishing as making it larger and limiting enemy options like not being able to dodge

[tawdry whale]

It should be hard, it handcuffs an opponent and heals you(I think they should buff the heal percentage)

On that note Rick transmogrifier is too easy, and arguably giant mode is too much.

[lyric urchin]

Polymorph Rick is easily the best character in the game and the fact that he gets access to it for free is kind of ridiculous

[cunning eagle]

Taz friends, I will miss you

[tawdry whale]

Abloabla pppft

[main ermine]

🫡 it was an honor taz army

one last nado for yall

🌪️ 🌪️🌪️

[lyric urchin]

🫡

[nimble hatch]

Shields saved the game guys.

Hopefully s5 will be fun even if the rug was pulled out from everyone.

I'll just twiddle my 19 fighter tickets as a reminder that WB is just another way to say EA.

[lyric urchin]

I don’t get how this keeps happening to WB Games. They’ve somehow managed to mismanage literally every game they release and it flops as a result

[nimble hatch]

It's like they told the team to copy every other live service game but only the most egregious parts to make the most money for the least effort

[tawdry whale]

Monetization is usually done by higher-ups, and WB has a record of funky pricing decisions. So likely.....

Regardless, 'online only gas game' and 'fighter' don't go together. Especially if it needs to make bank.

RoA2 didn't try to do too much, it's just cosmetics. They don't have to worry about trying to release and balance a new character every month, and they only need to make enough money for a small team.

[nimble hatch]

I can't see anyone on the team telling the ui guy to just copy the fortnite store layout especially after having a functional ui in beta

Just seems like cut corners directed by suits

[late prairie]

so the developers ruined taz even more

thank god this game is dead

[nimble hatch]

sup clapp

ggs man

[final raven]

Wow Taz feels awful

Both Nair and Tornado are pretty bad right now

[late prairie]

Not only that

Down tilt cant be combo

Taz doesnt have kill power

Hes bread and butter jab + soup can be dodge
Dash attack has less kill power + new angle so you cant kill with it
And all the bugs of season 4 are still there

So in a word
Im so glad that this game is dying
So people can go to rivals of aether 2
A game that truly deserves the support

[final raven]

Yeah I've noticed dtilt no longer combos lol

It's really like they want people to just spam nado and up tilt

[late prairie]

The devs only improved fan favorites

While the others were kinda left behind or utterly destroyed

[radiant geode]

Taz def lost kill power its kinda insane lol

He has nice combos for me now but the lack of kill power really makes him fall short alittle

[tawdry whale]

You know being stubby in a game full of disjoints, swordies, and zoners might be inherently bad ......

[nimble hatch]

it's only bad if your jab puts your hitbox 3 football fields away from you but your hurtbox angled down and delayed so you can get hit before the animation even starts

it's okay though if we give them enough time they'll finish making Taz

oh wait

[vital anchor]

a bit sad that there's been a month without Taz talk.

I feel like I'm one of the few players who still likes playing the character

Taz is ending on a awful note as he lost his kill power. I wish they didn't nerf one of his redeeming factors for a lack of range

Honestly Taz lacking range for good kill power is what made him unique as the game's Wario counterpart (as he's literally Wario without waft & bike)

[finite moth]

Real I fear

[nimble hatch]

It's whatever, they don't care.

[humble mulch]

Yeah I stop playing because they made taz unplayable for me