Taz

[late prairie]

depends on the taz

[late prairie]

question

is this patch a nasb version?

cause many characters are mute now

finn, jake, wonder woman, harley

[main ermine]

They increased the distance of blast zone on maps in the patch

[ember gale]

Will Taz's damage calculation ever get fixed?!! 🥲

[lyric urchin]

Is it still broken? They said they fixed in in the patch notes

[nimble valley]

@indigo ibex STOOOP RUUNIIING. JESUSSS

[indigo ibex]

You are the one running

[signal violet]

bro i hate fighting gizmo so much i have to spam eat to come close because theres nothing else you can do against arrow

and than he can just cancel that and shoot anyways like you just straight up loose

[lyric blade]

new to taz, why i do no damage on taz? i know im not doing 50 damage a game

We win i feel like i was doing well then the damage numbers at the end says 60 or somthing

[main ermine]

LMAOO

they still havent fixed that bug

[meager dirge]

It's a bug. Ground bounce doesn't add onto that and debuffs neither. So basically everything that gives tasty doesn't add to that.

They said they fixed it but i guess not?

[radiant geode]

Use Taz’s dash attack more often, you can hold the attack down to have him run the map to catch people and it’s a great kill move. He also can use the dash attack quickly at any time by double tapping a direction and attacking.

You also wanna have a back up perk set with the perk too fast to block on just incase ur matched up against wonder womans, supermans, Jasons, iron giants.

[final raven]

What are taz' bad matchups

[signal violet]

imo worst is gizmo arya steven and samurai everyone else is somewhat managable

morty too but i havent fought a proper morty match with taz since the nerfs ngl

[final raven]

Weird, I have an ok time against Gizmo and Samurai

Batman/WW can be really nasty though

Also how do I stop getting kuked by Batman's uppercuts sometimes I literally cant do sht

[signal violet]

oh yeah WW definetly,on batman something you can do is eat the batarang when its on the floor to get an anvil and just try to eat batarang in general

helps a lot

[final raven]

Wait you can eat the batarang? I've trying doing it over and over

[signal violet]

yeah makes the matchup way easier with the anvils lol

[west stratus]

how can this character require any skills

literally the most carrying character in this game

2 moves and ur master

lol

[signal violet]

W ragebait

[west stratus]

not a ragebait

do u even have an argument to defend this character ?

it's a t5 character easily

literally 2 moves and ur master

[signal violet]

crazy good ragebaiter

[somber verge]

you must play casuals a Plat 2+ Batman wouldnt allow that.

also taz is a big counter to reindog for ppl who care, when you eat his crystal it becomes yours and deals damage while invisible (may be a bug but its there)

[west stratus]

Master 1 lebron
And I’m telling you 2 moves only and u would at least reach diamond with taz

Oh also before u get on “ taz counters lebron “
I’m talking bout the entire character I fought t5 taz and he got the same play style as a gold taz just better movement

So yeah

[somber verge]

he does counter lebron but not because of eating, its just move priority/hitboxes

also skill issue

[west stratus]

Lol yeah that’s what I thought

💀💀💀

[signal violet]

do not interract with this user hes ragebaiting you

good ragebait tho

[late prairie]

Someone told me that morty is a worse character than taz
My only answer was
W h a t

[signal violet]

you can easily identify a morty main by seeing how they rank him

litterally everyone except the actual morty players put him at the top

[late prairie]

Lmao

[lyric urchin]

With the nerfs he’s gotten, idk if he’s quite top tier anymore, but he’s definitely high tier imo

[signal violet]

yeah atleast high tier,hes right below guys like joker and ww imo

[lyric urchin]

I mean, Joker is probably best in the game rn

Joker, WW, Arya, Batman, Steven, and Gizmo are definitively better imo

And IG, Black Adam, T&J, Finn, and Morty are all around the same level imo

With Shaggy, Bugs, Smith, and Jack not too far behind

[signal violet]

real ^

[lyric urchin]

The only truly bad character is Velma imo

[late prairie]

Put finnn up
The new tech gave finn a new 0 to death

[lyric urchin]

Oh he has a new death combo? Lmao some things never change

[late prairie]

If it was someone like taz or jason
Pfg would act and nerf the freak out them

[lyric urchin]

It took 2.5 months for Jason to get a non-rage armor move

[late prairie]

Lmao

Also
Imo

The most honest character in the game
Imo tho

It must be...harley quinn

[lyric urchin]

No way man the most honest character is definitely either Garnet or Banana Guard

They’ve got no real gimmicks or wacky hurtbox shifting

Just pure fundamentals

[signal violet]

imo yeah it would probably be garnet

sufficent projectiles,melee and combos that actually require dodge reading and decisionmaking

[nimble hatch]

ranked is so garbage dude

[radiant geode]

Better to rush down or sitback and camp as Taz? Maybe just depends on match up.

[lyric urchin]

Mostly depends on matchup and the type of player you’re going against

Play more passive against spammers and whiff punish

Play more aggressive against people you notice have really bad dodge habits where you can capitalize on their fear

But don’t mindlessly spam yourself because then you leave yourself open to get whiff punished

[late prairie]

i mean for me garnet and banana guard were close second

but thats imo

[radiant geode]

Anyone else know about the Floating Taz Nair trick? It looks so funny.

Dodge straight up the exact same time you do Nair and Taz floats upward slowly while charging Nair lol

[zealous mulch]

Lmao i just tried this and it looks so stupid

[late prairie]

I said it before and ill say it again

Taz is the Kirby of Multiversus

[nimble hatch]

Nah he's wario 100%

[lime notch]

Tornado is such a braindead move, there's no way to avoid it and anytime I try to hit it from up I just get hit instead, I can't punish it because there's no way to know when it's even gonna end or he just dodges out of it
Does anyone know how to even deal with that move

[signal violet]

jump over it if hes not descending on you,most characters are either faster or the same speed as it so you could run away and try to punish. it also has a lot of start up and end lag so you can punish right after or as they are trying to start it. a lot of disjointed attacks also just clash with tornado such as samurai sideb or straight up override it like marvin dtilt. during tornado taz is also prety vulnerable to any projectile so use that to knock him out if you can.

[late prairie]

Character you use?

[lime notch]

They're in my name (ppg aren't out yet) but I was using stripe

[lime notch]

Thing is I try hitting it from up and it still hits me

[signal violet]

yeah it has a prety generous hitbox on the top lol

[late prairie]

If hes in the air
Superman an armor up attack youll be fine
While in the ground another armor attack or air laser beam

With finn
In ground just the tilt attack youll be fine since it has a long range or bag
Ain the air is ground up attack but must be timed

Both scenarios also bmo

[signal violet]

im p sure if you time it you can also jab taz out the tornado with the disjoint might be making this up though

[late prairie]

Maybe

[radiant geode]

Its tricky timing to Jab him out, but it‘s possible. Usually is safer to avoid it and punish. Taz is Alot stronger in lower ranks where players dont avoid attacks. Higher ranks he falls off the power scale alittle

[signal violet]

yeahi notice taz becomes way harder when your enemy is good enough to parry obvious moves like nado

[radiant geode]

What I do in Rank is, Nado is very good as turning back and forth quickly I’ll Nado up them back up for a second to see what they do then quickly hit them with it when they drop their guard.

[signal violet]

the nado mind games fr

[radiant geode]

Yea you can come at them and just run away with it while ur in Burn out. Is it annoying? Yes. Am I playing to win in Rank? Yes.

[signal violet]

best mindgame on taz gota be the reverse dash attack though

hit them start running away they think they are safe and immedietly reverse into the dash attack

[radiant geode]

Yea lol

[final raven]

Same as his anti air sandwich

[vital anchor]

I hate fighting Harley as Taz since it feels like he can't do jack if she tends to run

[final raven]

Feel like that about a lot of the cast tbh

You have to bait them into wasting rolls and stuff it seems

[late prairie]

For me with harley i have anvil perk
And many times i use the anvil as bait
So i can punish harley
Also check how the harley plays
You can punish the playstyle
Like if harley uses a lot of hammer
Use charged barf
Or if harley uses alot of aerial down jump and attack

[late prairie]

It cant be wario
Wario is a high tier

Like tom and jerry is the shiek of multiversus
Multi hit, not too strong, light as heck

Or jason the ganondorf of multiversus

[nimble hatch]

Tell me taznado and bike aren't the same vibe

[cunning eagle]

are there any good Taz strategies that I may not know and should try to use in my gameplay?

[nimble hatch]

why are all of taz's skins bugged with their idle animations?

It's so jarring and ugly

[cunning eagle]

how on earth does Taz's dash attack even hit i can never do it

[late prairie]

you have not to use it constantly

and see how your opponent play

also use it when your opponent is on wall

that workd

[signal violet]

yeah you just use it to suprise people

very good to also learn how to reverse dash attack to bait

[late prairie]

ok people

besides taz

which other characters you use?

i use:
tom and jerry
jason
harley

[cunning eagle]

Only taz

[signal violet]

i play p much everyone from time to time but main taz and ig mostly

[late prairie]

i also have 4 that i call the braindeads

just turn off the brain and play since they are so easy to play

wont say their names

but they rhyme with
poker
baggy
ark
inn

[signal violet]

lmao good to turn off your brain and play some poker and finn from time to time

[late prairie]

yeah
just mash buttons and win

ez pz

my mission is at least leave my tom in master and jason in diamond and harley in plat or diamond

i still cant believe how little effort is needed to play ark

like mash buttons you win

[signal violet]

yeah shes stil crazzy the nerfs did prety much nothing

[late prairie]

is a he

his full name rhymes with bark bent

[signal violet]

oh. that fella.

just thinking about the instant armor makes me hurt

[late prairie]

indeed

ran out of armor

relax

just fly away until you have it back

[signal violet]

just sit at your corner on the map flying and spamming lazer than punish with the instant armor uptilt fr 😭

[zealous mulch]

Ive hated harley day 1 i dont know why but she always pisses me off

[radiant geode]

U can use Dash attack out of combos and even right after you hit someone with a landing nair. U can use dash att quickly by double tapping a direction then attacking, the move can be used as a ledgetrap also when you hold down the attack at a ledge he’ll keep attacking at the ledge while they try to climb back up.

[late prairie]

well crud

my hdmi for the play doesnt work

[cunning eagle]

I didn't know that!

I thought you needed to build speed

Thank you

[late prairie]

ok

real question

what kind of lebron you play

to say he is a bad mu for taz?

[signal violet]

if you just run anwil and focus on eating his balls - pause - he is prety easy

[late prairie]

But your lebron camps on the ball?

[signal violet]

i mean if he never throws it out than hes at the disadvantage of not having any projectiles so your still winning

[sharp sail]

His post game numbers dont register?

[honest maple]

this character bruh smh

[royal wharf]

Scum

[sage spruce]

Polarizing

[signal violet]

mmm yummy scum mmm hohhmhokmhomhom yummy yummy oop threw out my anvil they low profiled it though thats fine they are throwing scum again and if i just time it right yes! i actually ate it again this time i will hold onto it for a more strategic time oop well they are trying to recover form the stage this might be a good time damn it clashed with their scum and it deleted it that sucks oph well if i can hit a dair ont he stage here there we go ggs

[cunning eagle]

🤨

#clips message

I swear it is so fun to parry Samurai Jack spammers

[late prairie]

imo with the new techs dodge,samurai jack became more annoying for me

last one i fought just camp and ran away

[royal wharf]

Scum

[candid cedar]

how the hell do i challenge his side b

[signal violet]

the nado is usually just as fast if not a tiiny bit faster than most characters nad has a lot of start up /end lag so you can punish it prety easily. not to mention any dijoint or projectile

[candid cedar]

BJ barely had any projectile😅
taz could just spam it while bj ran out of beetle

[signal violet]

idk about BJ matchup that well but yeah if you run out of beetles you probably just need to wait for them to finish up and go in after

[royal wharf]

Here’s y’all’s daily “scum “

[signal violet]

yummy yummy in my tummy

[royal wharf]

What are u doing here😭🙏🏾

[tawdry whale]

dafuq s going on here

[west stratus]

honestly

i really wonder what will taz mains do when his tornado gets nerfed

like that move alone getting nerfed

i don't care bout the other broken stuff

[late prairie]

Still use it

[west stratus]

sure but if it gets a proper nerf u would get punished for it

oh my god a taz main getting punished for a move ?

😮

[signal violet]

bro if you struggle with nado

straight up admission you havent tought about jumping parrying punishing on startup and endlag or just outwalking it

why tf is anyone struggling with taznado if your not jason or ig lmao

bro has lebron main in his name bro just throw a ball or something 😭

i swear these mfs trying to jab the nado to complain about it so much

[late prairie]

I mean we still get punished for nado

Like if we miss off ledge nado
Thats a sd for us

Or if someone parry's it or have an armor or proyectile
Or a ranged attack

[signal violet]

the ledge nado whiffs 😭

[late prairie]

The pain when you miss nado off ledge

Yikes

[sage spruce]

Its what you do against nado

Its why I hate fighting swordies with Taz

[signal violet]

yeah straight up any disjointed attack can deal with nado prety easily too

[main ermine]

They don’t know how to play against it.

And instead of learning the mu and ways to beat it. They come on discord to cry 😂

btw I posted gameplay on my yt:cmzaa

[west sparrow]

If Tornado was higher priority than jab but lower priority than every other move I think it would be a good thing for the game

[signal violet]

than it litteraly has no use though 😭

so we have this attack that locks you in place to start up has big endlag has a cooldown thats not cancellable and is very vulnerable to disjoints and projectiles and now it has low priority

[royal wharf]

Bro forgot the part where it turns ur whole body to hit box

[signal violet]

yeah its an attack dawg 😭

[royal wharf]

Yah that that turns his whole
Body into a hit box that’s moves pretty fast

[signal violet]

every character except like ig and jason can outwalk it though

[royal wharf]

The down play is crazy

[signal violet]

turning the body into a hitbox isnt even a taz thing bugs nair rindog sair rick sair jason rage nb samurai nair for example

im the #1 downplayer sorry

[royal wharf]

Bro taz has two maybes that turn his body into a hit box

That’s literally his thing

😭🙏🏾

[signal violet]

thats actually so real

[royal wharf]

Yuh

[signal violet]

true ! 😀

[royal wharf]

I’m in love with u

[signal violet]

what the skib i

[royal wharf]

Don’t hide it

Ik ur into me to

[final raven]

Is Last Stand actually good on Taz? How often do people survive at 100+

[tawdry whale]

Depends on who you're playing against. Probably not too long though, but you can still do some damage on your way out (if you're not on your last stock).

[signal violet]

i just go speed force for all ngl but if your fighting someone that struggles to kill than go for it

[cunning eagle]

@onyx lantern GG!! I wanna know how do you do the dash attack for longer?

nvm i found out, dash attack is BUSTED!

[queen rock]

Bro where do you get the bellhop Taz skin. Can’t find it anywhere. Am I dumb or something

[meager dirge]

It was in the daily offers a few days ago

You can't get it rn tho I believe

[queen rock]

Ahhhh ok thanks boss

[cunning eagle]

wow insane stuff here

"Fixed an issue where Taz’s dodge land would not slide off of platforms"

[signal violet]

im just happy we got no nerfs

[cunning eagle]

ever since I discovered Taz's dash attack is infinite i have been enlightened

[signal violet]

yeah that thing is goated

[cunning eagle]

If you guys could buff/nerf Taz what would you choose to do?

[sage spruce]

Give Taz better kill power without nado and dog pile and nerf those things

[cunning eagle]

For me I think it would be like this

• Dogpile has more acceleration
• Side air deals a little more damage
  - Neutral ground attack shield is lost after charging too long
  - Nado and dogpile have less knockback
  - Dash attack moves a little slower

[signal violet]

wouldnt change a thing about him tbh hes good

[lyric urchin]

Probably this:

• Down special projectile lasts longer thereby giving it more range
• Ground down attack can cancel on hit sooner
• Anvil travels faster when thrown
  - Dogpile can no longer be canceled into a dodge or jump
  - Grounded up attack has less range horizontally and has less kill power
  - Nado on cooldown has less kill power and slightly more whiff lag
  ~ Down air has more base knockback but less knockback scaling

Oh weird the - turned into bullets

[cunning eagle]

it would be funny to have the boot last much longer so you can lob it off the side of the ledge

[lyric urchin]

The move is basically unusable

[cunning eagle]

I use it all the time

it lets you cancel peoples attacks and combo

[lyric urchin]

I mean, it’s a projectile which is like the only reason it’s useful

[signal violet]

i think id be fine with taz nerfs if we got something like apple back

or buffs to anvil so it doesnt high profile half the cast

idk about removing dogpile canceling though so you do it offstage and die lmao

[late prairie]

For me

Maybe dodge for nado
But i understand the reason why

GIVE HIM LESS ENDLAGS
specially for dodge attack

And if someone dodges wrong on taz dodge attack still a penalty

Since i dodge from other dash attacks the it said i dodge
And still hit

I also have a question

Why did they buff morty?

[signal violet]

nah we should have the endlags

the endlags are a good weakness for taz

[lyric urchin]

Whiff lag balances out the fact that Taz can consistently kill at like 100 with nado, dogpile, sair, charged utilt, etc

[signal violet]

yeah ^^

[lyric urchin]

Except that you can cancel dogpile at any point which is kinda dumb for how strong that move is ngl

[signal violet]

honestly maybe even more whiff lag if i were to give a nerf to him

make it more like jokers electric counter thing

make it so wiffed nado is more punishable

[lyric urchin]

I mean, I feel like these would round out Taz’s kit more and reduce the effectiveness of nado and dogpile spam

[signal violet]

yeah honestly im fine with this i just think dogpile should be cancellable 🤷

like every character can outwalk it and you only get it to work if you get an insane read that someones about to walk into you

even on a ledge you can just dodge up and avoid it

[royal wharf]

Scum

[signal violet]

thats so mean

[cunning eagle]

Explain.

looking through your messages doesnt look like you really love any character

[royal wharf]

U can’t actually be serious right

[royal wharf]

Yah I do

[cunning eagle]

serious

[royal wharf]

No skill character with 2 stupid broken moves that’s just win u interactions for no reason

[cunning eagle]

self callout of all time

those moves are easily evadable

bad Taz players spam nado and dogpile

better ones use a bigger variety

but given you've sent "scum" in all player chats i know youre ragebating

@gritty bloom HI!

we are both beetle juice taz

[late prairie]

Ok
Real question
Which character do you use?

[royal wharf]

Rick

[late prairie]

Man im so happy that morty was buffed

So fun to play against him again
Soooooo fuuuuun

[signal violet]

yeah idk why they gave a random buff to utilt lmao

shoulda just stuck to hitbox fixes and sair

[late prairie]

Nah
He needed nothing

[signal violet]

lmao i hate fighting him too but sair not connecting is a bit silly

[spiral prism]

Is it just me or is taz v black Adam near impossible for taz. That mu feels unwinnable literally every time I’ve played it

[royal wharf]

Every character feels like
That at this point

[spiral prism]

Nah, it really is just black Adam that feels awful, and Finn sometimes.

[royal wharf]

No I mean playing against black Adam

[spiral prism]

I find him somewhat fightable as bugs, but it just feels unwinnable as taz. He gets out of everything and invalidates everything with hitbox shifting

[signal violet]

he can fly at the top of the map and taz physically cant reach there sometimes lmao

not to mention his sair and up airs that taz cant get out of with his pathetic dair and the clap that knocks you out of nado and dustcloud

eugh

[spiral prism]

Yeah I have not figured out the secret to that mu yet, it feels awful every time I fight him

If he dodges you can’t chase because projectile, he easily gets out of juggle situations with his stupid kick, and you can’t even pressure with nado

[cunning eagle]

#clips message

[spiral prism]

Worst part is you’re not the only one man, I’ve died so many times from getting hit behind black Adam, it’s so infuriating

[cunning eagle]

they need to sort out that hitbox

[spiral prism]

All his hitboxes are super janky. He probably has some of the best hitboxes in the whole game with everything he has

[meager dirge]

Same 😭 you can also turn it around or walk slower if you didn't know that

[meager dirge]

Less knockback for dogpile? That's insane
And dash attack doesn't need a need 🙏

More like make side special like a projectile so you only need to dodge it once and then it can't hit you

The shield thing isn't good either. People who walk into the attack are just dumb. You gotta be patient if you play against Taz

[meager dirge]

Just nerf the tornado like that

Maybe even buff the down special to last longer and the tasty debuff

[tawdry whale]

I think the range of tornado during the refresh period could be much shorter.

Like changing it to an instant but immobile "get off me" type move.

[unreal pond]

new taz player here. any tips/combos to start out with?

[signal violet]

nair - jab jab - ntilt is a prety easy one,if they are DIing in you can follow up with a sair and nair

but this character generally doesnt have too many true combos its more reliant on bad DI and dodge reading

[unreal pond]

i think i've started to pick up on that... ppreciate it!

hes super fun

[signal violet]

yeah goated character

[spiral prism]

Use your sandwich to read/chase people to keep them off the ground, and you can hold your dash attack input to make it last a long time

[unreal pond]

rubs my hands together maliciously

[royal wharf]

Don’t play him

[unreal pond]

adding him to my mains got it 👍

[royal wharf]

Scum

[signal violet]

what the sigma...

[final raven]

NGL this character is kinda ass

[honest maple]

wrong

[royal wharf]

Scum

[honest maple]

yes

[spiral prism]

Sadly true

[royal wharf]

He is not bad

[spiral prism]

He’s not bad, he’s just not that good

[late prairie]

yeah

at least hes better than jason

and kinda even with garnet

[final raven]

Is he though? Jason is seeing a lot of play nowadays

[late prairie]

yeah
sadly jason is combo food

if i have to say the low tiers of this game would be

jason
taz/garnet
banana guard
velma
mayyybe jake but idk

if i have to say the 10 best characters of this game
IMO
mmm:

IG
Joker
Arya
Wonder Woman
Shaggy
Black Adam
Steven
Finn
Morty
Gyzmo

[cunning eagle]

epic superman counter,

use the perk that makes dash attack break shields

honestly wish Taz had another signature perk

[lime notch]

Taz is broken what are you on

[late prairie]

He had one in the good ol times

When his nado reflected proyectiles

[signal violet]

wth i dont remember that

that sounds demented though good thing

[late prairie]

It was when taz was "the terror"

When nado didnt had a cooldown

When instead of boot

It was apple and no limit

[lyric urchin]

They should bring back Taz apple but on a cooldown

I played a ton of Taz in the beta and apple combos were cool

[signal violet]

yeah if taz gets nerfed i atleast want apple back in return

[vapid pilot]

Taz is broke af it's like dumb idio

Just nerf taz for the god sake

[signal violet]

lmao this user said idiot without the t ''idio'' lmao laugh at this user

[vapid pilot]

Stfu then

[signal violet]

LMAO bro said THEN when in this cotext he was actually supposed to say THAN LMAO LAUGH AT THİS USER

[vapid pilot]

You can not you ido

[signal violet]

what the sigma

[vapid pilot]

I call you mr. ido

[late prairie]

Which character do you play?

[west stratus]

man nerf this character

[west stratus]

it's not about the character

taz is just broken

he's literally up there with joker

[signal violet]

ok thats prety demented though lmao

killing at 10 damage true combo vs has one good move

[lyric urchin]

2 but same diff

[bright cairn]

I know this is the most casual mvs server here but holy how are people crying because of taz, he's not even that good lmao

[main ermine]

hes good but not broken and the nair movement nerfs made him worse

comparing taz to joker is actually braindead tho

[late prairie]

i mean, hes not THAT good

the most majority of the roster is better than him imo

he has good mu or even like rick and harley (imo)

but also horrible mu with characters like black adam, superman, morty, arya, shaggy, steven

[royal wharf]

Scum

[spiral prism]

Taz isn’t that bad. He definitely struggles a lot with some higher tier characters, but he is actually surprisingly good against IG, has very consistent kill confirms against almost everyone, and really only struggles with range based/ small characters

I’d argue, at the very least, he’s better than a lebron, BG tier of characters and barely cracks into high tier, but just barely

[spiral prism]

actually now that i make a mu chart for taz he lowkey has a ton of bad mu's

[late prairie]

Thats the thing

[spiral prism]

like i put steven, tnj, arya, gizmo, finn, and ba as his worst mus, and thats only half of them

[late prairie]

tnj depends

like yeah if tom grabs you with paddle thats bad
but charged buff is a bye bye for jerry

and you can always predict tom's pan

when you're on the ground

the only big problem is going to be dynamite, and mouse trap

finn with the new midpatch maybe

but not so much imo
they're still worse MU for taz than finn
like morty or batman or, superman or even agent smith

[spiral prism]

those are just the mus i find hardest with taz

like not impossible, but extremely difficult

superman i find taz sided, and agent smith i think is even. bite negates sups armor, taz is fast enough to practically ignore ice breath. gun on agent smith sucks, but for the most part i think taz has better brawling tools and you shouldnt get hit by the replica if you just jump

[late prairie]

ye could be

the problem for me with sups, its his instant armor and with combo from one side to the stage to the other

[nimble hatch]

Yeah both have the potential to gib the other depending on what charge moves they commit to

[late prairie]

yeye

[spiral prism]

tnj are just incredibly oppressive, approaching is very difficult, mouse trap takes away all of taz's approach options on ground, jerry is INCREDIBLY STRONG, dynamite is super annoying, and fishing rod is hard to avoid, and on top of that comboing him is hard as a mug

[nimble hatch]

Grounded up attack on superman is a brutal anti air

And lasers keep you from camping him at disadvantage

[spiral prism]

i find myself just equiping anti armor and dash attacking a lot against sups

[late prairie]

for me with tnj
i just barf on them, and jerry is bye bye, generally tom after that would try to paddle or pan me
with the first i spin
and the second wait for the pan and sandwich

[late prairie]

could be

[spiral prism]

barf needs to be charged to kill jerry, pan knocks taz out of spin and dog pile extremely easy, and even then you just get fishing rodded

[late prairie]

imo
the best or even MU for taz are:

Rick
Garnet
Jason
Harley Quinn

Again, imo

[spiral prism]

i have garnet and jason as the only two mus that should be free wins(mostly) for taz

[late prairie]

the only problem with garnet is her aerial neutral

has a big hitbox

and can deny ando

nado*

[spiral prism]

sups, IG, jake, BG, BJ, rick, harley, and stripe i all have taz winning (+.5-.9)

true, but nair is really commital

Rocket fists can be eaten really easily, and mine can be eaten, plus garnet is giant

The ones I have a still winning for taz, but less winning are sups, IG, Jake, BG, BJ, rick, Harley, and stripe

[spiral prism]

what are taz's worst mu's in your opinion?

[late prairie]

MMMMMMMM

there are a lot

for me could be
-Black Adam
-Joker
-Arya
-Steven
-Shaggy
-Gyzmo

maaaaybe WW but idk bout that

[spiral prism]

really shaggy?

[late prairie]

the thing with shaggy

[spiral prism]

i thought shaggy taz is even honestly

[late prairie]

-fast attacks

the neutral air of shaggy denies armor attack

-good at campinf

his super attack

besides can kill very early taz

down aerial of shaggy denies nado

[spiral prism]

true, but i think tazs brawling moves are better, and so is his chase

[late prairie]

are better

but not faster

[spiral prism]

shaggy nair is good, but up tilit and up air both keep him out of the air

[spiral prism]

good point

Still I think his tools to fight shaggy are better, and so long as you don’t approach stupidly constantly you should be fine

[final raven]

This character is so good against Jason

Until Jason starts throwing out his armored command air grab

[late prairie]

true, but when you catch up with that, its time to bite

[cunning eagle]

MARVIN

[late prairie]

yeah marvin is another one

forgot about him

specially the ones that mash alot

samurai jack
even tho for me its not a difficult mu for taz

after the midpatch i found him more...annoying

(as well as finn)

[spiral prism]

Marvin is just a weird mu, I honestly think that it’s close to even, but definitely Marvin sided. His dtilt and dair are both incredibly good at stuff taz’s options, but Marvin does at 80, and is super easy to cheese

[signal violet]

gizmo

gizmo black adam or wonder woman imo everyone else is ok

marvins kinda rough but you can eat jab uair and utilt projectiles its not the worst

[late prairie]

also a big question

how does jake's bite denies jason neutral special, but not taz's bite?

thats just bite discrimination

also im sad

where's our daily scum?

[spiral prism]

idk taz bite sucks so much compared to jakes

[signal violet]

yeah wth wheres our scum

im going hungry

some weird sort of humiliation kink going on here

[signal violet]

@royal wharf

[royal wharf]

I took a day off I was busy

Scum btw

[austere steeple]

I hope taz gets removed

This character is so stupid

Like so stupid

His Counter play is actually just run away from him

Cuz he has insane priority

His tornado is actual cancer

Not to count the clound move

N air is stupid

This character should be nerfed badly

But ofc he isnt going to bcs all Taz mains do is downplaying their character to the actual ground

[signal violet]

bro you play morty 😭 your freedom of crying about character balance is removed

bros complaining about having to give space to a character when he plays morty 😭

[austere steeple]

Ok so whats your actual argument

I was playing Smith

Btw

[signal violet]

thats so cool

[austere steeple]

So is that it

Ur argument is

That i play Morty

Ok ig

[signal violet]

SORRY İM GOON!İNG RİGHT NOW CANT TYPE

whew! that was intense! now back to the topic at hand, my arguement is not just that you play morty,i am just pointing out the amusing fact of you complaining about another character while you main one thats way more broken 🤓

also bro just comes on the channel and says every single move is broken and nothing else what do you expect me to argue bro 😭

erm the banana guard downb is actually op and if anyone says its not they are downplaying their character 🤓 its just very op!!

[austere steeple]

I Just said tornado has away too much priority, it also does 12 dmg, really spammable

N air is a great aproach tool

Has almost no whiff frames

Thats all the issues with Taz

The rest is fine

[late prairie]

you'll never replace our ddaniel

[signal violet]

just try to punish nado whiff or even better parry it if you dont have any projectiles or good disjoints tbh im prety much forced to do it and run away every time because good players really punish it hard

[austere steeple]

Tornado has almost no whiff frame

By that i mean that i need to be really near him

To punish it

And being near taz tornado isnt actually something smart to do

And parrying it could work

But a single time only

Cuz they can just bait you

[honest maple]

bro 😭

[late prairie]

wait what

[royal wharf]

I with u 😭🙏🏾

[royal wharf]

I’m the one and only😎

[vital anchor]

Taz should be able to eat heavy projectiles again. Just saying

[signal violet]

nah

[tawdry whale]

Taz should be able to eat and spawn a Jerry, or a watermelon Steven.

[final raven]

Taz should be able to eat Lebron's balls

[tawdry whale]

He CAN gobble them tho.

[final raven]

How good are our Taz players at gobbling up Lebron's ballz

For me I've never done it but you do that every time you play him then it's 2024

[royal wharf]

Scum btw

[signal violet]

bro i love chowing down on lebrons balls

[indigo ibex]

NOM
NOM
NOM
MMMMMM
TASTY

[torpid barn]

this mf needs a rework bruhv im loosing my mind

[late prairie]

Not now jay
Were talking about how taz munches on lebron balls
(Kinda true your point tho)

[torpid barn]

oh he can munch on deez nuts

😾

[late prairie]

Poor taz
He doesnt deserved that fate

[torpid barn]

right, he deserves worst

[late prairie]

Just let him bite on lebron balls peacefully

[signal violet]

chat can we munch on these users balls

[late prairie]

[torpid barn]

no

😾

[signal violet]

dont want your balls munched on? alr...your the one loosing....

[late prairie]

@signal violet i just realized that marvin also shoot balls

So taz can gobble marvin balls

[torpid barn]

what about tom's balls?

[late prairie]

Oh shoot your right

[torpid barn]

or ig's big balls

[tawdry whale]

Oh ok

[signal violet]

mmmmmmmmmmm marvins balls

[late prairie]

Someone over here wants to do the last rift

?

[royal wharf]

Scum

[sage spruce]

Learn the mu

[austere steeple]

Lear the side special untradable spam

With 5 seconds cooldown

[signal violet]

bros really mad about the ball gobbler

[tawdry whale]

You can hit a tornado in the center with moves that aren't *covered with a hurtbox. There's also a start up animation that can be punished.

[late prairie]

Ok folks
New rule for the taz
The only one we can let it slide the taz hate

Is our scum delivery guy

He hates him so much that comes every day just to send us a scum message

Thats some dedication if i have to say myself

The rest is a nay

[tawdry whale]

I do think burnout/recharging tornado should be either super short or immobile. It should be more strategic, and not the "scrub killer attack"

[signal violet]

🫡 sir yessir

[lyric urchin]

.

[royal wharf]

Appreciate the support

This ain’t a trend it’s a lifestyle

🙏🏾

[late prairie]

And we support our favorite taz hater

[vital anchor]

So I have a terrible perk idea: Spindash.

Essentially Taznado is much, much faster but at the cost of barley doing knockback and damage and Taz can't turn around when using it

[signal violet]

honestly kinda too simular to dash attack without the knockback

[vital anchor]

Alternatively another bad perk idea is Taznado is much larger and does more damage & knockback but has a longer cooldown (20-25 seconds compared to 5-7 from vanilla) with it being much slower and inability to turn

[signal violet]

than we just have up b dustcloud but without turning 😨

[vital anchor]

The more I think about it all of my Taz perk ideas are similar to already existing iteas like Neutral special and eating items heal Taz instead of applying weakened and removing the ability to spit them back...

Matter fact that one is just unbalanced

[signal violet]

nah that d actually be prety cool though

takes away the option of the heavy projectile anvils for healing,would probably make one or the other useless though

[vital anchor]

I love perks that essentially completely change a move instead of adding a new functionality like the dogpile one

[torpid barn]

another day ranking up without fighting a taz, thanks for not showing up guys. imma go thank tnjs now

[signal violet]

your cooked the moment my wifi starts working 😈

[torpid barn]

guess what.. closed the game 10 mins ago

[signal violet]

im playing the long game. you stopping the play now wont discourage me.

[torpid barn]

well guess what, its 1 am here, and im going to sleep

[late prairie]

Dont you see

Jay broke our wifi

[signal violet]

bro sabotaged me...

[royal wharf]

Scum

[signal violet]

holy bro turning in for the shift early

[late prairie]

hey our deal was a daily scum

[royal wharf]

I jsut felt the need to do it again for taz im clocking in so overtime

[signal violet]

and thats why hes the goat

[final raven]

No cap Taz is hard to play

[late prairie]

...ok @royal wharf you're authorize to say scum twice per day

[royal wharf]

I ain’t held bound by no rules

[royal wharf]

Honestly good delivery 3 /10 ragebait

[final raven]

Buff Taz

[late prairie]

Idk

[royal wharf]

Scum

[final raven]

Is it just me or does this character feel kinda lackluster

[sage spruce]

I hate to tell you but this character has two absurd moves and the rest kinda a mid kit, hes poorly designed but not bad

[austere steeple]

Nerf Taz

[austere steeple]

Skill issue use tornado more

[final raven]

That's basically what lackluster means m8

[final raven]

That's not fun though

[sage spruce]

Thats basically what Morty is

And he ain’t bad

[torpid barn]

scum

[signal violet]

nope

get outa here

sir can i see your scum spam permit

[torpid barn]

mid??????? a nair that you can always combo off of, a neutral with armor and custom direction, and a normal side air with the speed of light. you call these mid?

[signal violet]

he has a singular combo move a worse superman uptilt and a sair good heavens your not even complaining about the right thing

go complain about side b

[torpid barn]

dont make me sabotage you again

[torpid barn]

is that a defence? or a "youre dumb", cus i'd prefer the second one tbh

[signal violet]

maybe both :3

[torpid barn]

oh hell nah

[torpid barn]

#off-topic message

[late prairie]

You're not alowed to use it
Only daniel

[late prairie]

Hes choking
Someone save him

[sage spruce]

Jab is eh, downtilt is eh, couple other moves

[signal violet]

taz got that morty 2 good moves nothing else syndrome fr

on a lesser scale

[late prairie]

Of only taz could camp

Imagine a perk that if you gobble like 5 proyectiles instead of anvil is a laser beam

[signal violet]

godzilla taz would be peak

[royal wharf]

Some one mention me?

[late prairie]

Me

[cunning eagle]

imagine a skin for taz with new voicelines

[royal wharf]

What’ happened

[late prairie]

Someone was stealing your scum role

[royal wharf]

Nah I can’t they slide

I’m the chosen one

[austere steeple]

Taz has 3 insane moves

The rest is ok

[austere steeple]

Nair
Tornado
Cloud

[signal violet]

whats insane about nair though fr

[spiral prism]

nair is good, but cloud? cloud is insane?

[sage spruce]

Kills early

[spiral prism]

not really, even near edge youll be lucky to get kills at 90(depending on stage)

and its ectremely slow, literally jump over it, dodge away, all that and you effectively avoid it

[signal violet]

idk why people think taz kills early tbh maybe i suck really bad at him but the only consistent kill option is like a dash attack at 100 everything needs you to be off stage

like you wont kill untill 150 if you just spam tornado tornado doesnt kill if your not off stage

[sage spruce]

Because most characters struggle to kill more

[torpid barn]

side air kills, ground neutral kills, up attack kills

[signal violet]

oh yeah up attack i forgot thats actually really good

[torpid barn]

and it has a really wide hitbox

[signal violet]

kinda buggy too tps you to the top of the map sometimes lmao

[torpid barn]

oh forgot to add dash attack

[signal violet]

yeah i mean dash attack and utilt are the main ones though everything else requires to be offsttage or i mean people just running into a fully charged ntilt

[sage spruce]

I mean edgegaurd kills isn’t necessarily a bad thing

[torpid barn]

ngl you just send them off to the ledge and hit a dogpile, they cant counter it

[sage spruce]

Having that abulity is insane

[spiral prism]

ground neutral and ground up both need to be basically full charge to kill at 100(granted ground up you can move with and is fairly fast)

[signal violet]

i mean taz got a really good edgeguard for sure i can never actually get dustcloud or tornado against good players on ledge though,they just dodge up or jump to the side to avoid it

[torpid barn]

not ground neutral, and ground up charges pretty fast

[torpid barn]

and you have movement with it too yk

[signal violet]

yeah i wouldnt actually mind nerfs to utilt

utilt is prety nutty

make it not hit to the sides

[spiral prism]

ground up i agree, but not ground neutral, it takes a while at least, and theres no confirmed options into it, sp you basically need a hard read or cheesy offstage kills

[signal violet]

tbf if we do get utilt nerfs though i want finn gutted too because f that they have the same thing but better 😭

[spiral prism]

the move doesnt work 50% of the time for me, people fall out of it all the time, and you still need a fairly good read to get it to hit

[torpid barn]

his tounge has a broken hitbox so its not that hard to hit with it cus they wouldnt even see it coming

[spiral prism]

my brother in christ walk away from the ground neutral it isnt that hard to counter play,

[signal violet]

yeah idk about the ntilt though ig its a projectile but thats about it any charge attack kills lmao

[torpid barn]

you cant walk away when youre on the ledge lol

[signal violet]

like ig nerf garnet fully charged uptilt can kill with her too

[spiral prism]

true, but the counterplay is just to wait it out, its really not that great of a kill option

[sage spruce]

Still

[spiral prism]

still what?

[torpid barn]

still, tornado and dogpile

[signal violet]

im too tired about tornado and dogpile discussion 😭

just walk away and punish ig they could get nerfed in whifflag

[sage spruce]

Why is the hitbox massive

[signal violet]

nerf in whifflag sounds about right

[sage spruce]

Also you can confirm into neutral with jab

[spiral prism]

nado is good, but dogpile is still chessy and really just a mediocre move that neeeds a rework

[signal violet]

dawg he turns into a tornado wdym 😭

[spiral prism]

jab-> ground neutral doesnt confirmed kill until 140

[torpid barn]

tornado should have a hit count, and not get the full damage even at end of the move, and the knock back is way too much. the fact that you cn stay in the air with it is really funny lol

[signal violet]

tornado doesnt kill till like 130 140 how does it have too much knockback bro 😭 mfs really want tornado to kill at 200

[torpid barn]

no way you just said that

[spiral prism]

nado at ledge kills way earlier than that, nado is honestly good

[signal violet]

nah like nado is really good for ledgeguarding and in general i just dont get the complaint about knockback

[spiral prism]

but the counterplay to nado is incredibly simple, dont be an idiot and ruin away from iut

[signal violet]

yeah get hit by litteraly any heavy attack at a ledge and be amazed at what happens

[sage spruce]

Which for an assassin isn’t bad

Because assassins are intended to do a lot of damage but struggle to kill

[spiral prism]

taz is barely an assassin, and struggles to combo IMMENSELY compared to other assassins

[torpid barn]

harley, stripe and arya can easily kill below 120

[signal violet]

i mean nair jab combo aint even tazs thing

like its nice ig not really a kill move

[spiral prism]

exactly, it can get you to kill situations, but its doesnt do a lot for you

[sage spruce]

Hes classified as one so gonna treat him like one

[spiral prism]

and the combo only deals like 25%, but nair has to hit almost perfectly,

[signal violet]

nah tazs still got good kill comfirms compared to the rest of the cast though he is worse at it than every other assasin except beetle (beetle sucks)

[spiral prism]

doesnt change that he still struggles to combo, unlike every other assassin, and struggles to kill more than all of em

[sage spruce]

Fair

The main thing is that assassins also have oddly specific kill set ups, Taz has that, and his combo game isn’t bad

[spiral prism]

every one of his kill options are basically read the person, or nair into something

[sage spruce]

Saw a dude show off a 0 to death on di in on the clips channel

[sage spruce]

Killing off a read is healthy

[signal violet]

eh di in doesnt count

every reasonably good character got a 0td on dı in

nerf velma

[sage spruce]

Also a decent 50 percent combo on di out

His nair dealing a lot of damage also helps

[spiral prism]

i dont diagree, but most characters have good kill confirms, and taz really doesnt outside of nair

[signal violet]

50 dmg kill combo? can you link that i havent seen lol

[sage spruce]

I’d need to find it

[spiral prism]

nair deals 18 damage fully charged, and 9 uncharged

[sage spruce]

At this point its gonna be a while

[sage spruce]

Not bad damage

[spiral prism]

yeah i was about to say it isnt as good as other characters but then i looked lol

[signal violet]

that is prety baller dmg though yeah

like a whole jab jab sequence worth of damage from a charge nair

[spiral prism]

but the air speed with nair is awful (or just his air speed overall)

[sage spruce]

Not wrong, he tends to kill off edgegaurds, which also isn’t bad tho, smash has Sheik and diddy who are really solid characters and kill off edgegaurding

[spiral prism]

shiek and diddy are both incredibly good combo characters 😭

[sage spruce]

They have other kill confirms but aren’t as good or are more specific

[sage spruce]

But don’t deal much damage each hit

[spiral prism]

i aint gonna argue about smash, but they are both much better combo chracters then taz is now

[sage spruce]

Fair, but I’ll still argue Taz has a solid combo game

[spiral prism]

and i dont hate taz killing off edgeguards, its just hard to consistenly punish people when adaptations are fairly easy to make against his best edgeguarding options

[sage spruce]

Mostly because of the fact it deals a lot of damage per hit if you can connect a lot of moves together

[sage spruce]

Depends on the character

[signal violet]

i mean hes got one consistent combo of nair jab ntilt

[spiral prism]

i mean nair-> fair into nair-> fair is pretty good, but reeally all his combos come from nair or the very very rare dtilt hit

[signal violet]

prety solid damage but idk if i would call that solid

[sage spruce]

Can’t he do jab into dtilt

[signal violet]

he can

[spiral prism]

at higher percent they fall out i think

[signal violet]

jab into dtilt is just more damage and true idk about higher percentage on every character specifically though

[sage spruce]

Most characters don’t have as much at higher percents

[signal violet]

maybe on someone like arya whos tiny it wouldnt but idk

it always works for me

[spiral prism]

and dtilt will only sometimes lead to kill confirms with utilt or da

[sage spruce]

Taz doesn’t have that good of combo game but he does have an insane string ability

[spiral prism]

but the hitstun on it isnt good enough most of the time to get anythingm really depends on di and character weight

[spiral prism]

yeah, hes a very very read heavy chracter

[signal violet]

yeah honestly just DI out and up against taz and your gona be good

[sage spruce]

Yeah, thats a good thing for a combo character

Its why Smith is solidly balanced

[signal violet]

avoids most of what he can do if you dont get wallbounced or something

[spiral prism]

hes not a combo character man, hes a read chracter

[sage spruce]

Can’t you do reads into combos

[spiral prism]

whos your main btw?

[sage spruce]

Morty

[spiral prism]

sometimes, but its di dependant

[spiral prism]

oh god i hate morty so much 😂

[signal violet]

i mean ig you can do reads into combos,cant every character kinda read into combos though

[sage spruce]

If you learned him you’d see why Morty mains complain so much

[spiral prism]

ive seen a lot of clips, hes broken in two different ways

[sage spruce]

Hes honestly not that bad but I’ve never seen people really call their mains good

[spiral prism]

i really hate the way morty plays personally, but thats because i like playing fast and morty is very defensive

[sage spruce]

Thats why Mortys want dirt changed

[spiral prism]

i think taz is high tier, but he loses to basically every top tier besides IG

[signal violet]

^^ very real

[sage spruce]

Iron Giant is still considered top tier?

[signal violet]

solid character that looses to the very top tiers

[spiral prism]

that chartacter is BROKEN

[sage spruce]

Honestly I respect it

[signal violet]

iffy dependend on matchups

[sage spruce]

When I see someone downplay Joker

Then I’ll accept calling a main high tier

[sage spruce]

Hate that

[spiral prism]

i think joker is only somewhat winning against taz, but ive never fought a really good joker

[sage spruce]

Joker can still 0TD

Which is stupid

[signal violet]

yeah if you get someone like bugs or morty as ig you just loose but on someone like batman or jack you can kill them at ledge from 0 consistently

its very weird

like bros just the cheese factory he sucks at everything except cheese

[sage spruce]

Hes poorly made

Its why people hate Morty and Taz, few extremely good moves or high strengths and then a lot of weaker elements

[spiral prism]

i dont think his design is horrible, his moves are just very hard to balance

[sage spruce]

Yeah

To me at least thats badly designed

Not being able to balance a character without killing them or making them meta is a poor design

[signal violet]

yeah idk how they would take igs moveset and actually make him balanced without making some moves like nair useless

honestly id take making igs nair useless and actually give him his weight back so he doesnt get looped by everyone

[spiral prism]

anything to make ig less annoying to fight

[late prairie]

i have another perk idea, now taz can teleport, and throw misiles through his mouth, also that he becomes a vampire and can fly endlesly, also lets give him a sword, the size of sephiroth

[spiral prism]

still mid tier tbh

[signal violet]

seems weak compared to anvil ngl

[spiral prism]

what changes would you all make to taz if you could? personally,
*nair back hitbox sends forward instead of backwards when only it hits
*dtilt comes out faster, and sends downwards instead of out
*completely change dogpile into a a different move (nado fills the move already basically)

[sage spruce]

Nado cooldown longer

[spiral prism]

yeah thats probably a fine thing

[sage spruce]

If you remove any personal bias and look at what people see about the character

Buffs would be interesting

[spiral prism]

hes carried by nado right now, id also like to see some bite buffs if possible

his bite is just so mid as is right now, it only serves as an anti projectile

[signal violet]

sideb now has whifflag simular to dash attack,so just way longer

you can still cancel dust cloud whenever you want but you have the whifflag of missing it if you do so it can be punished

make dtilt do litteraly anything

oh also give apple back

[sage spruce]

I like this

Rework

[spiral prism]

id like to see dogpile gone tbh, it isnt very good, and its extremely gimicky

[signal violet]

nah dogpiles fine its just that being able to immedietly cancel it is kinda meh

i think if it had its hitboxes fixed so fast attacks cant just hit you anyways despite you being a sandstorm and some endlag even if you cancel it itd be fine

[spiral prism]

nado and dogpile are basically the exact same move just one is slower than the other, dogpile would do much better being gone

[signal violet]

yeah i mean its interesting though,one just being a way bigger and heavier option that requires setup is interesting imo

[spiral prism]

i dont think it is, it just makes him dependant to kill on those moves

[signal violet]

i also like cooldown upb tbh

its mid but its an actual up attack

[spiral prism]

i would much rather that than dogpile as a move

i just dont like how taz doesnt really have to think to get kills and you just nado or dogpile to win

[signal violet]

yeah most of this characters kill options are just straight up get an enemy to 150 with spam or land that one move

kinda rough

[spiral prism]

itll get better with time i think

[austere steeple]

Oh maybe the large hitbox it has and the fact it leads into a combo string

It also has not much endlag

[austere steeple]

Blud its a untradable large hitbox kill comfirm that u can move ofc it is

[final raven]

Cloud is pretty underwhelming I barely use it

[austere steeple]

U should use it more

[signal violet]

eh not larger than most other moves,having a single combo move should be normal no

why we tryna make everything about taz extremely punishable and high comitment

i get tornado but nair

[austere steeple]

Just fair?

[austere steeple]

Nair needs a whifflag nerf

Tornado needs hitbox and speed lower

And cooldown increase

Cloud only needs a smaller hitbox

[signal violet]

honestly i just disagree,taz could use nerfs but those just arent it

[austere steeple]

Oh yeah what abt uselles nerfs so u can still cheese with him

[signal violet]

man 😭

[austere steeple]

Cuz nah the character i play doesnt need that

[signal violet]

like bro you cant just slap endlag on every move that does something nerfing nair cuz it lets taz do a single combo is demented

[austere steeple]

Its a win neutral attack

Look at the hitbox

It also has no endlag at all

If it had more whifflag u would actually need to think when using it or else u getting punished in case u whiff

Not a big deal

[signal violet]

ig nair ww nair morty stungun shaggy nair samurai nair

i mean ig we could do those nerfs idrc but like why are we trying to make every move that does something be extremely commital

i dont get the win neutral thing too bro you just wait for him to finish up and attack

[austere steeple]

Morty n air is just stun gun foward

In the air

Its not like u cant dodge it

Shaggy is broken

Ww also is

[signal violet]

yeah i mean like you can just dodge taz too you know

[austere steeple]

Samurai Jacks one has fair whiff lag

[signal violet]

its p much the same as jacks whiff tbh

[austere steeple]

And doesnt follow up to a combo rteing

[austere steeple]

String*

[austere steeple]

Its a projectile

[sage spruce]

Still

[signal violet]

yeah an extremely fast and very hard to react projectile i mean

[sage spruce]

Even as a Morty main I’ll say that both are possible to beat

[austere steeple]

It doesnt hit from behind

[signal violet]

idk how thats not ''win neutral button'' extremely fast projectile that combos into 40 dmg and ringouts vs taz nair being a ''neutral win'' (big hitbox)

[austere steeple]

It has cooldown

[signal violet]

not enough

[austere steeple]

What combo that does 40 dmg Lil bro

[signal violet]

you can just run for like 10 seconds and its recharged 🤷

[austere steeple]

Oh yeah are u talking abt tornado

[sage spruce]

Listen guys

We both have dumb characters

They do dumb stuff

We each have giant big win moves

[austere steeple]

Taz worse nerf him more

[signal violet]

i see that take i leave

ggs

[sage spruce]

Rework both

And I’m happy

[austere steeple]

Idccccccc

😭😭😭😭

[sage spruce]

We have two fundamentally flawed characters in discussion

Therefore rework both

[austere steeple]

Anyways i won

[sage spruce]

Everyone wins (except dirt spammers)

[austere steeple]

Morty is easier to counter

[sage spruce]

Have you learned Taz?

Like flatout mained him

[austere steeple]

When i play other characters u can just jump over his entire kit

Like when i play Smith

Jason

[signal violet]

ragebait

[austere steeple]

Wdym

"Ragebait"

[signal violet]

you got me for a bit W ragebait

[austere steeple]

Not my fault i know how to play against Morty

[sage spruce]

Then learn how to play against Taz

https://tenor.com/view/good-day-sir-wonka-angry-gif-4938393

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Sigh

[austere steeple]

If he didnt have a untradable move

Oh wait

2 untradable moves

[sage spruce]

We have dirt up air fair that can all beat it

[signal violet]

chaos theory dont fall into the ragebait noooo

[sage spruce]

I’m a Morty main

I’ve handled worse

[austere steeple]

Nair can beat Mortys entire kit

[signal violet]

best ragebaiter

[austere steeple]

Oh wait wront reply

[austere steeple]

Taz nair can counter Mortys entire kit

[sage spruce]

How

[austere steeple]

I feel thats what makes it a kinda hard match up

[sage spruce]

We can dodge it parry it

[austere steeple]

Morty can counter Taz stuff too

[sage spruce]

So its not an impossible mu

Possibly an even mu

[austere steeple]

Mortys entire kit is on the ground basically

Even his aproach tools

[sage spruce]

Fair is an approach tool right?

[austere steeple]

Yeah

[sage spruce]

Same with nair since its stun gun

[austere steeple]

Taz Nair just wins

[sage spruce]

How

[austere steeple]

Taz is away faster and has better hitbox than fair

[sage spruce]

Let Taz approach, dodge the thing, punish him

Or even parry it if your timing is good

[austere steeple]

I do that

I mostly win against Taz

Just think its boring

[sage spruce]

So then whats the problem with the character

[austere steeple]

And think some stuff he has are unfair

[sage spruce]

When there is far worse out there

[sage spruce]

Same with Morty, every character has some form of cheesiness

[austere steeple]

I know

But im talking abt Taz

Not Morty

Morty does need nerfs

I know that

Dirt should not give weakned

[sage spruce]

My main point

[austere steeple]

Granades should not kill at 20

[sage spruce]

Is that Taz is not overpowered, just good and annoying, and we should let that be basically

[austere steeple]

Still needs some nerfs

I dont think he is S tier or smth

[vital anchor]

Let me guess, side and up special nerfs

[austere steeple]

Just think he needs some balance

[austere steeple]

Yes sir

[vital anchor]

Knew it

[sage spruce]

A couple of nair nerfs on the side, had a bad day today

[vital anchor]

Every time I hear somebody say "nerf Taz" my mind just jumps to the conclusion of side and up special

[sage spruce]

At this point I feel ya, all I see for Morty is dirt is op

[vital anchor]

Thought Taz's kit outside of those 2 moves can be better since Taz often relies on those moves to kill. Even I tend to spam side special since its basically his best tool

[austere steeple]

Can we rework Taz

[sage spruce]

We can’t

Only devs can

[austere steeple]

Wow ur so funny

[sage spruce]

Wasn’t trying to be

[vital anchor]

Taz is probably an Iron Giant situation where it's hard to remove his core gimmick but I'm interested in the ideal rework if its good

[sage spruce]

When peoples outcry is not heard and instead they change Lebron or something, we can’t control that

Thats up to the devs

[vital anchor]

Taz is still a mixed bag due to having a swiss army knife of a side special

[austere steeple]

Ok

[austere steeple]

Side special hitbox is so big

I think the move should have a Lil more cooldown

[vital anchor]

The cooldown is literally nonexistent to the point they just remove it

mater fact that's just a bad idea since Alpha Taz exists

[sage spruce]

Up that cooldown please

And leave him be after that

[austere steeple]

Make cloud a Lil smaller

Not that much

[vital anchor]

I still want Taz to eat heavy projectiles again like in beta

[austere steeple]

Can he eat a nuke

[sage spruce]

Make that thing make sense

[vital anchor]

It was fun to counter Bugs and Tom players since he completely shuts down Jerry and Safe

[austere steeple]

Wdym

[sage spruce]

Give it a bigger hurtbox

[austere steeple]

Oh yeah

Cloud is soo stupid

If u parry it

Taz doesnt stun

Isnt that Parrys entire purpose????

[vital anchor]

The dogpile perk should be in Taz's base moveset imo

[sage spruce]

It’d make sense

[vital anchor]

Its the worst perk in the game and really you need to have a dedicated random or another person to make it work

[sage spruce]

Not the worst in the game

[vital anchor]

Its just one of those perks where it only works in 2s and teammate dependent

[sage spruce]

Yep

[vital anchor]

Unless you're in a group chat or a smart random, you're not gonna get anything done with the perk so it being in base moveset can help

[sage spruce]

I mean if your a 2s player it is worth

[vital anchor]

I still use anvil or 5% since shutting down some zoners and killing even earlier is funny

[sage spruce]

Fair its why I own Morty’s anti projectile perk

[vital anchor]

Anti projectile perk is mad slept on. Its a must pick for 2s against zoner comps

[spiral prism]

How good is it? I’ve never actually used it

[spiral prism]

Lowkey the best option, just make him have good combo tools, and maybe make dipole a combo ended or something like that with a smaller hitbox but like crazy kickback

[vital anchor]

His only good perk that isn't 5% and a must have against some characters

[spiral prism]

I’ve thought about using it, but I don’t really like item play too much. I’ll give it a shot tomorrow or something ig

[nimble hatch]

The only thing anvil does is making our opponent think they shouldn't spam us. It doesn't actually do anything.

You eat something in front of them, then spit it out (most likely off the edge) then continue the rest of the game with less spam.

[spiral prism]

Against some characters that sounds kind of nice. I wish there was something like z dropping in this game though, that would make items way more useful/complex

[final raven]

No cap I'm hardstuck M5 as Taz and it's society's fault

[signal violet]

nah its really good when you get used to it

prety much turrns your 1 damage boot into a 10 dmg heavy projectile if anything

its really good when your fighting someone with a lot of projectiles too you just have tons of anvils sitting on the stage

i remember fighting a garnet and eating all her gauntlets so there was like 5 anvils i could just run around and throw

[royal wharf]

Scum

[late prairie]

THERE IT IS

Our scum!

❤️

Also man brazilian food is soo good

[vital anchor]

Man, I need to step up my game as Taz

[royal wharf]

Nice to know I have surporters

[final raven]

Taz is MID

[royal wharf]

Yah nice try bro

[signal violet]

nah brazillian food is bugged with taz it like immedietly dissapears when you throw it

just go anvil

[late prairie]

Are you sure?
Last time i did it with taz, his moveset completly changed
He started doing capoeira

[signal violet]

what inputs? i couldnt get that to work

[nimble hatch]

anvil sucks, change my mind

[signal violet]

your only options are anvil and 5% most of the time

a single anvil hitting will do 10 damage

5% will give you 10 extra damage if you do 200 and protect 10 damage if you survive to 200

just get slightly good at eating and throwing anvils and your geting way more value

[nimble hatch]

it's like they took apple, put an anvil skin on it, and gave it the heavy projectile slowdown and called it a day

[signal violet]

yeah i mean i definetly liked the beta one more this ones kinda dookie

but its still way better than 5% if your going against a projectile character

[nimble hatch]

not if you're just straight up eating and spitting a good projectile

[signal violet]

most spat out projectiles prety weird though ngl

like eat harley dair and the projectile shoots straight down when you throw it

same with marvin uair you throw it up

some dont reset their range when you eat them so they dissapear immedietly

and anvils better than a lot of projectiles like bugs pies tbh

[nimble hatch]

honestly for a signature perk I'd expect it to be better than a shaggy sandwich

and it's not

[signal violet]

id be happy with it if they made taz throw it straight instead of arc

small characters go straight below it its really frustrating

[nimble hatch]

spitting it out from anywhere but on the ground is just a headache

cause it will find some way to just leave the stage

[signal violet]

yeah i just use it as a 10 damage shoe to stop aproaches most of the time

dont really expect it to stick around good if it does though

[royal wharf]

Scum

[final raven]

Buff Taz but only when I'm playing him 💯

[signal violet]

yeah they hotfix and nerf him every time you switch off thats so based

[torpid barn]

12 damage on a nair is insane

[signal violet]

nair and ntilt kinda nutty since they buffed yeah

[torpid barn]

and i just found out nair+side is true

[signal violet]

thats on dı in low % tho

[torpid barn]

go watch crazynoc's taz video

[signal violet]

can you like send a link or something lol

[torpid barn]

actually its a kill option at 100

[torpid barn]

yeh sure

[signal violet]

nah i can like never get nair into sair to work on dı away

crazy if true

[torpid barn]

apparently its true and is an insane kill option of youre near the ledge

[torpid barn]

https://www.youtube.com/@CrazyNoc heres his channel

[signal violet]

wheres our scum

wheres our scum