Steven Universe

[dusky raven]

I have 508 Steven wins just this season

you forgot to mention im the 4th ranked steven and Grandmaster in 2s. And yea I have less than 40 matches in solos this season

[true lion]

Pass your wb to see yours

[dusky raven]

bro tried to stat check me like ok😂

My win percentage went up 20% from last season going from playing Jake to Steven

[pale flume]

Oh, uhhh "no-scheme4490" on reddit

[pale flume]

That tier list, I mean. Discord decided to remove the fact that I was replying lol

[true lion]

That's a day 2 tier list bruh

The game has changed

Jason S tier? Bruh

[frigid verge]

SCUM

[true lion]

So true

[visual acorn]

There are some character MUs where watermelon steven carries me just because of where the MUs combos start

before the tech update reindogs combos typically kept you in the same spot, so watermelon steven can just break you out of it pretty consistently

straight up saved me in a couple matches

[pale flume]

When he actually throws punches and they hit, its usually at the best of times or the worst lmao

[coarse lodge]

I see

[pale flume]

He's probably 3rd for stevens best move

[trim scaffold]

Sucks.

[pale flume]

Man. Joker is so easy, yet people who use him complain the most, why is that?

Furthermore, how tf do you fight him as Steven

[stable pendant]

use your high skill floor

[pale flume]

Any serious suggestions?

[stable pendant]

pick someone who you cant downplay?

[vague hollow]

Nahhh, I got it. I've heard echoes of an ancient technique used by all the greats, and passed down for generations.

Just dodge.

[stable pendant]

fr

[pale flume]

Im already playing Steven though lmao

[stable pendant]

if u dont like playing as him then pick someone else up

idk what to tell u

ur gonna have hard matchups but hes not a bad character

[pale flume]

Thank you for the perspective. If I find somewhere its needed I'll let you know, right away

[stable pendant]

No need I put it here for a reason 😉

[pale flume]

[The reason: bait]

[vague hollow]

Pretty sure that's not bait. And if it is, it's not very good bait.

[pale flume]

Oh, its his actual, genuine, unfiltered dogwater opinion?

[vague hollow]

Why do you think it's a bad opinion?

[pale flume]

Im more so wrapping up all of his statements in a neat little bow and judging them as a whole lol

[pale flume]

Also dammit lmao

[vague hollow]

I see.

[pale flume]

I fr need to work on my dodges

Sometimes I try to use them for distance and get caught up

[vague hollow]

Lol I know, I've seen that repeated by all the greats. 😌
Constantly. All the time. Too much.

[pale flume]

Idk how people are using dodges to zoom across the screen. I can only do it on accident

[pale flume]

"Just dont die"

I hate it so much lol

[vague hollow]

Gotta rank among the greatest pieces of advice. Though I think "Just don't get hit" outranks "Just don't die" by frequent usage alone.

[pale flume]

Fair

[stable pendant]

Don’t use dodges to zoom across screen that’s wasting it

When u dodge make sure you don’t have any other inputs for a clean dodge

[pale flume]

Man. I wish Steven was as easy cheesy as Tom and Jerry

He's got everything Steven does for projectiles but better

And an infinite true combo

[stable pendant]

they patched it

[pale flume]

And like. Hitboxes lmao. His hitboxes are the size of cars

[stable pendant]

Wishing hes cheesy isnt going to make him better

[timid mango]

nair nair nair

[trail spoke]

me when i become an australian cat

[trail spoke]

me when someone asks me what’s an at home hair removal product but they’re also hard of hearing

[frigid verge]

SCUM

[trail spoke]

Steven Quartz Cutipie Demayo Diamond Universe

[stable pendant]

meow 😼

[frigid verge]

😩

[pale flume]

Lmao

[topaz star]

What are some combos for Steven? I've played him for a while and I've only found one.

[frigid verge]

Bc there is only one scum

[primal vortex]

Scum

[vague hollow]

Two in one day? I think that's a new record!

actually probably not. but it's the first time in a while.

[primal vortex]

3k 2s tourney was today

4 shield comps on top 4

6 shield comps top 8

Mostly Steven/ww

[vague hollow]

I know, it sucks.

[dusk yoke]

So how’s Steven been doing this current patch?

[dusk yoke]

I’m curious now why did this patch choose you?

[frigid verge]

Huh wym

[dusk yoke]

You said this path chose you

[vague hollow]

He's better than before. They buffed his best move, and that's about it.

[dusk yoke]

Not the other way around

How did that come to be?

[dusk yoke]

Nair?

[vague hollow]

Nair.

[dusk yoke]

Of course lol

[frigid verge]

Idk bc I was worthy of being chosen that’s why

[dusk yoke]

Oh

Good for you I guess

[primal vortex]

This path chose me

I lost to misty and moices once in tournament

[frigid verge]

Cringe

[primal vortex]

Ok diddyking

[elder rivet]

Keep T&J in the dirt 🗣️🗣️

[elder rivet]

That's crazy!

I saw the comp is beta play once and was like ya this is a crazy comp

Also to the Steven doomer: just stop complaining, lock in, and play better. If you can't beat people at the character's lowest then youre just not good enough and need to play the crutch character of the patch.

This character is insane in 2s (the main format). I play 1s and you just need to utilize watermelon as a meat shield more and lip sync for your live to win. LET'S GOO

[distant yew]

What is this 😭🙏🤢

Downplay final boss

[slate carbon]

i mean its not very fun to play a character who they almost build around spamming one move

[trim scaffold]

Uhm acksually it's 2 moves. 🤓

[dusk yoke]

Lmao

Nair sair aerial down special simulator

[light night]

it also doesn't help that they purposely ignore all of stevens groundeds

[dusk yoke]

Fr

[potent blade]

Scum

[light night]

ppg

[trim scaffold]

Now Now
We use Jab in this house.

As well as Jab.

And sometimes we even like to mix in a bit of Jab.

[frigid verge]

Who gave u permission lil bro

[potent blade]

I'm sorry I'm trying to follow ur steps my glorious king 🙏

[frigid verge]

Its ok it is the myagi-do way carry on

[pale flume]

we wont be having any of that

they should move the power from his paddle attack and jerry slingshot to the rest of his moveset, though

[potent blade]

🫡

[pale flume]

"Good one, Daph" -Shaggy

[pale flume]

its kinda funny that pfg decided to make Jason, a good character broken; Then Steven, a mid character, trash

like whats the thought process behind those decisions?

[slate carbon]

i was kinda with you for most of your steven rants but calling jason broken is just plain wrong

like now im actually starting to think you have a skill issue

[vague hollow]

That's where he lost you?

[slate carbon]

i actually have experience with jason

and hes def a better steven than me

and i kinda already assumed he was full of sh||o||t

[vague hollow]

That's fair

[slate carbon]

but now its personal

[pale flume]

You were never with me, dont lie lmao

not that it would matter

[slate carbon]

i was a little bit

[pale flume]

eh

Who's side are you guys on, anyway?

[slate carbon]

not the side the guy who's saying jason is broken is on

[pale flume]

all the time, it feels like im the only one actually defending this character

He literally is, have you seen his hitboxes?

[elder rivet]

Just dodge 4head

[slate carbon]

have you seen his hurtboxes?

bro has rejoints

also most of those moves are pretty slow in comparison to like half the cast

and his massive body means he just absorbs everything

his rage is countered by armor breaks, so he takes not only the 8-15 damage that deals but also the damage of the armor break

[elder rivet]

Can easily mix up with a dodge cancelled ground attack on Steven to get a good hit in.

[pale flume]

they're also devistating

especially with his free armour and rage

[slate carbon]

dodge the single jason move he can throw out before the rage goes away

or sneak in a down tilt

[elder rivet]

YEAAA

[slate carbon]

you honestly should play other characters besides steven

gives you more of an idea of if characters are strong or if its just a bad match up

[elder rivet]

If you want a complete 180, play Garnet

[slate carbon]

oh yeah garnet is like opposite of steven

[pale flume]

I do lol. I just dont talk to you guys about it

[slate carbon]

who

[pale flume]

everyone I have unlocked

[slate carbon]

which is

[pale flume]

mainly the characters I have trouble with especially though

[elder rivet]

Think he means get a secondary and play them consistently

[slate carbon]

yeah i got like 3-4 characters i swap between

(oddly enough 3 of the 4 are post relaunch)

[pale flume]

The dc characters, except harley, Shaggy, finn, jake, and banana guard, Jason, Jack, Morty, and a little of arya

I dont play them a lot but I refresh my knowledge and muscle memory occasionally

[slate carbon]

who did you play jason against, a toddler?

face any dc chararacter or a zoner as jason and tell me he's broken

[pale flume]

Oh yes, you and I must have run into eachother, yeah ;p

[slate carbon]

:(

[pale flume]

alright, Steven, and he's broken

[vague hollow]

I made a tier list of how often I play each character recently. It was actually kinda fun to compile, and think about each of them. ^-^

[pale flume]

Man. usually the only time I even remember a character exists is when they just beat my with the cheesiest tech ever

[vague hollow]

#off-topic

[pale flume]

if I lose super duper hard, usually I go practice as them

[pale flume]

ah, so shes the GOOD Steven Universe fighter lmao

[slate carbon]

sure

[pale flume]

anyone using her generally beats me

But I dont run into as many garnet players as I do all the others so I forget pretty much immedietly

[elder rivet]

Should be a +1 if you're better

Imo

[slate carbon]

i mean makes sense, she has a lot of armor and can give herself armor break

[pale flume]

the only time I ever feel cheated when I lose to her is when its the grab exploit

[elder rivet]

That got patched?

[pale flume]

/the whole "im dragging you to hell now" thing

where they put the star near the bottom of the map against a wall and soMEHOW MISS THE WaTERMELON STEVEN RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM aND GET YOU-

[elder rivet]

Ooh

Just dodge 4head

[pale flume]

also, damn, "You're making some sense he- oh, nevermind, you called out my main"
if nobody got me, I know Lastyear is one of them lmao

[stable pendant]

Usually shouldn’t convert to a kill but it is very annoying

[slate carbon]

anyone want a link to the steven discord we're testing a fix

[slate carbon]

the stevencord should now be working and everyone can see everything now

[heady needle]

sure

[frigid verge]

SCUM

[primal vortex]

Only time he’s right 😭

[frigid verge]

I’m right all the time wym

[trim scaffold]

Okay IG player

[frigid verge]

😂🙏🏾

[primal vortex]

My character isn’t top 2

🤫

I hate Steven

[trim scaffold]

And....

Dude could be bottom 2 and he'd probably still be obnoxious as sin.

[primal vortex]

I’m tired of sair nair

😭

[frigid verge]

We all are

Scum

[dusk yoke]

Yo any Steven mains got counterplay advice against Steven on small stages?

Struggled with the obligatory nair sair aerial down special spam play style just now

[dusk yoke]

Anyone 😭

[slate carbon]

the thing is

nair and sair being busted (imo) is that they're just absolutely massive hitboxes

[dusk yoke]

Nair has a large hitbox

[slate carbon]

so all i can really thing to say is "just dodge" or go for whiff

[dusk yoke]

Sair is the same but super fast

[slate carbon]

sair is also disjointed

[dusk yoke]

Like sair takes priority over most aerials I could throw out

Recovering against Steven is a pain

[slate carbon]

since both moves have some decent whiff frames

[dusk yoke]

But it feels like he doesn’t have whiff endlag on anything besides nair

[slate carbon]

your playing finn right?

[dusk yoke]

Yup

[slate carbon]

damn i remember when finn was THE "f||li||ck steven" character

[dusk yoke]

Up tilt lol

It’s still the best option against Steven

My problem isn’t with his aerials anymore I know how to counterplay them

It’s his aerial down special

It feels like it just gets free priority over anything I can do

[slate carbon]

surf?

it loses to most up airs bc they shrunk the hitbox to an ant but ig finn up air prob cant do much

[dusk yoke]

Nah

His up air is fast and all but kinda stubby

Plus it’s literally his fist Steven surf will win every time against that

[dusk yoke]

Yeah

I tried up tilt to counter surf but his up tilt no longer hits above him and only in front of him (which makes sense obviously)

But it also means idk if Finn even has a good counter to surf

Besides try to outmaneuver and go for a jab

But the Steven can just go the other way

If they miss

[slate carbon]

yeah its pretty easy to jump over it once he lands

[primal vortex]

dropping iron giant for steven and ww

both just so broken

i swear

[dusk yoke]

W

I hate Iron Giant

No offense to you lol

[dusk yoke]

Both have been broken like throughout the games lifespan

Steven might have been a tiny bit weaker in beta but still

[primal vortex]

yeah but ig doesnt work in comp anymore

tried to play a tourney with hardcorefox

went 0-2

[dusk yoke]

Both were always at the bare minimum extremely strong since beta

[primal vortex]

losses to steven and ww

[dusk yoke]

Ok well like

It’s T&J

Aka projectile guy

That’s a large characters worst nightmare

[dusk yoke]

Wait was Hardcorefox playing T&J?

[primal vortex]

he was my teamate

yes

[dusk yoke]

Oh

[slate carbon]

in beta steven was strong he was just much harder to play

[dusk yoke]

Yeah

I used to genuinely have Steven as a secondary

Because I loved the skill to reward he took

Idk why but now he just doesn’t feel fun to play as anymore

And for me Jake feels a bit less fun to play than before

For me Jake was most fun when they first made the nair 2 rework

[slate carbon]

bc they keep nerfing everything but nair so he just has no combos and all nair

[dusk yoke]

Yeah

He’s basically an aerial spammer now

All his grounded moves are dookie

His specials don’t really provide much “combat” uses and more or less resources

Like horizontal and vertical shield rose bomb and watermelon Steven/heal

So all that’s left is his insanely fast and strong aerials

Jake feels like a gimmick only type of character

Every single one of his moves feel like a gimmick

Sair, nair 1&2, side special, dair, up air, neutral special, up special

Literally everything in his moveset feels like its own little mini gimmick

Which fits his personality perfectly imo

But it’s not as fun to fight when your opponents only idea is nair 1&2 then hold sair and then throw one of his random moves like side special or dair

[trim scaffold]

🤝

[ivory cloak]

So whats up with stevens nair. I does he actually have invincibility when he activates it? I never bothered asking.

It seems it has no end lag after the move actives so I makes me wonder how to approach it. When I get corner by it, by the ledge. It gets tough for counter play.

Wondering if I can get some advice from some these ice cream cookie eating mains. 👀

[frigid verge]

It’s Steve he has a lot of stuff that are just broken

The best approach tool is alt f4

[ivory cloak]

Man

I remember when I compained about steven back then and no one believed me. Now look at him.

🤷‍♂️

[frigid verge]

Nah i believed u bro

[ivory cloak]

🤝

[dusk yoke]

No, you can hit him during its charge up, but it’s pretty easy for them to execute it before you really have the chance to. If your character has a swift move that can hit Steven when he’s above you, go for it. Otherwise just try to get away from being underneath him

[ivory cloak]

Got it.

🫡

[frigid verge]

🤝

[trim scaffold]

No

[trim scaffold]

No doubts there I posted a mini-breakdown in the [Smith chat](#1260074911226134609 message), but if you're playing a different character then there's probably other stuff you'll want.

I did forget to mention Nair won't true combo into much without a bounce so if you are about to get hit.
Stay away from surfaces to get rebounded off

[ivory cloak]

so you are telling me to stay away from platforms. and if im going to get hit by it be in the air away from platforms

[trim scaffold]

TBH I was moreso refering to his shields and the floor cause people rarely play on platform stages in this game for reasons I never knew.

[dusk yoke]

Ok but fr Steven mains what should I as a Finn main know and use for Steven counterplay?

For example besides up tilt what can I use when Steven starts charging nair above me, how to counter surf, how to get from above a Steven without getting hit by up air

[primal vortex]

hold up tilt and 0td

😎

[dusk yoke]

Finn doesn’t have a ToD anymore

And up tilt hits in front of him it no longer hits directly above him

Which makes sense but makes hitting Steven hard when he air stalls all game

[primal vortex]

off 1 read he still does

flacoco showed me

[dusk yoke]

Oh

[atomic nymph]

how do you make the enemy enter a bubble?

[visual acorn]

give them rose effect (neutral special or neutral attack), hit them with 10 damaging moves
make sure you dont get hit by anything, every hit you take is -1 off the effect
a few seconds of no hits will cause the rose effect to deplete rapidly

if youre playing as steven try and make the last hit an up air or up attack, momentum of the knockback can send the enemy in a bubble to shoot up and die off the top if the percentage is high enough

[potent blade]

Show

I need to tod people and spam salt

[pale flume]

Pretty much everything works against him. Basically just button mash

[dusk yoke]

That’s a perfect way to get combo’d enough for the bubble status effect to actually kick in and lose

[slate carbon]

dont listen to them they downplay steven like theres no tomorrow

[dusk yoke]

Lmao

I was boutta say there’s no chance that’s the counterplay

Mf has half a millisecond to wait before he can throw out the worlds fastest aerials

Mashing is NOT the answer 😭

[slate carbon]

ideally you want to keep steven grounded, and stay on top of him since he doesnt have anything ridiculously fast like most DC characters

[dusk yoke]

Basically

I just bait the nair charge, get out the way, and try to time a jab

[slate carbon]

i think one of the biggest issues with nair is just its size

fully charged it kinda negates the whiff

[dusk yoke]

Fr

I’m just lucky to have a long range jab

Imagine fighting him as Jake

[primal vortex]

Atleast the 2 shield characters got sum in common

[trim scaffold]

If he starts charging Nair hit the bricks.
You're a fast kid get out of there and get ready to whiff punish or punish the option he picks after missing.

unlike most tanks Steven doesn't have any armored attacks so he's going dodge most times after a whiff which you can chase down with dodge cancel Jab or Sair.
If that all fails B.M.O chop thru it. Finn & Taz are some of the few assassins in the game with armor, and Steven hates armor.

[trim scaffold]

Little known tip for bubbling people@atomic nymph
Moves that can apply the rose stacks (neutral attack & neutral-b) which fill the meter by 2 when you hit them

So if someone is trying to bubble a target and you land a Jab.
You can Jab 1 2 into neutral attack to get four stacks opposed to the typical 3 from your other grounded combos.

[fossil lance]

yeah no all he does is spread actual misinformation so that people play against Steven wrong

kinda gross

[gloomy kiln]

Does anybody know where I can buy th weddign steven outfit?

its not in the shop

[slate carbon]

you should be able to get it by looking at steven's skins

[gloomy kiln]

Its not there

idk why

its not in the variants shop either

[compact copper]

Hello Steven mains id like to learn your character

[trail spoke]

nair, side air, side special

[slate carbon]

Up special, up air, down special

[vague hollow]

NSpecial, Arial Down Special, CD Side Special

[primal vortex]

Nair sair up air

[pale flume]

Man, I tell it how it is and you guys are in denial lmao

[true lion]

You are on denial man, you just suck with steven, just ragebaiting at this point lol

[primal vortex]

steven is top 2 rn

top 5 in 1s

top 1 in 2s

[fossil lance]

no

Hes very strong in 1v1

but he cant just touch you and delete you

[primal vortex]

Only like 1 character can do that

If they can win a 1s tourney they are atleast top 6

[fossil lance]

who’s your top 6

[primal vortex]

Which mode or overall

[fossil lance]

1s

[trim scaffold]

Anything in specific?

[trim scaffold]

Joker, Shaggy, WW, Arya, Batman might disagree with thatand Iron Giant/j

But to each their own.

[compact copper]

Combos,Gameplain

[primal vortex]

1.batman 2.shaggy 3.bugs 4.superman 5.wonder woman 6.steven

[trim scaffold]

I love how we both had a different 3rd DC characters in our top 5.

😆

[primal vortex]

Joker falloff was insane

[fossil lance]

smith

stripe

hello?

[primal vortex]

Smith isn’t better then those 6

Or stripe

[fossil lance]

delulu juice

[primal vortex]

Smith has his bad moves

[vague hollow]

Tbh I don't think Steven is that powerful in 1v1 unless you're REALLY skilled with him.

[fossil lance]

naw he isnt that hard

[vague hollow]

It's just how inconsistent he is. Some of his best killing moves are hard to set up.

[fossil lance]

character is not inconsistent

[vague hollow]

K

[tidal swift]

#clips message

I didn't know I could combo like that with the side especial

[primal vortex]

literally just nair up air

:3

[vague hollow]

Lol

[trim scaffold]

Your bnbs will mainly be off a handful of moves.
Jab 1 > Jab 2 > Jab 3 (Steven's highest solo damage Jab 2 follow up and can sometimes kill in desperate situations)
Jab 1 > Jab 2 > Down Attack (Does 1 less damage but has more frame advantage)
Jab 1 > Jab 2 > Up attack (Semi inconsistent but can also kill at close ranges, and lead into up special at lower %s)
Jab 1 > Jab 2 > Neutral Attack (Rarely used since Rose Gaze are hard reliably, but gives the most rose stacks of any of his Jab 2 strings)
Sair Dodge in Sair again (Pretty tight but once you start landing it you'll get really good damage off Steven's best poke in neutral)
Jab 1 Nair Uair (Only works if you get the close hitbox of Jab 1 If you have trouble doing this try holding down after doing the Nair)
Jab 1 Nair Dair (Setups tech chases that can lead into itself)

As for the Nair sized elephant in the room.
It can combo into literally every move in our kit that isn't like Shield Surf's follow up attack.

But you'll mainly wanna focus on a few routes being the aftermentioned Nair into D/Uair since it's your most reliable tech chase and kill confirm setup respectively.

If you accidently hit the ground during your Nair then you can get a Jab on big bodies or downwards DI.
Or just up-b for an easier follow, sometimes up attack but it's not as consistent.

Nair Sair can also work but it'll require more thought out positioning, and you'll generally want up-air because Steven's juggles & tech chase are good.

As for gameplan that's a bit hard to explain since it's something I just got a feel for, and he'll want to approach most characters in a different way.
Generally you'll want to use Steven Bomb to help with getting in, and use shield side-b and up-b to block off ranged options and shut down or limit your opponents movement options.

Once that's done you'll want to find ways to bait people into Nair and dodge in Sair when they try to do bait you.

Whiff Punishing with dodge in Jab is a bit harder to use because of how tiny it is, but it's a quick whiff punish that can lead to aerial conversions so you'll often want to go for that if you don't have time to get air borne.

If you have anything more specific to ask ping.

[trim scaffold]

Hit pause will lock them in place long enough for the platform to spawn in.
One of the neat buffs we got with the game speed being slowed down which allows us to cheese some spikes
I hit one at the end of this match.

Due to the reduced hitlag in 1s this is more reliable in doubles, but still good to keep in your back pocket.

[tidal swift]

holy, to reach gm is already 3700rp

[potent blade]

What do I do with this character he seems really bad

[slate carbon]

exclusively use aerials

his grounded kit sucks

[potent blade]

I'm trying it just doesn't work

I can win more with jake

I'm getting consistently 3 stocked idk what I'm doing wrong

Ok yeah you were right his aerial kit is better I still feel like I'm missing something

[dusky raven]

1v1 is rough with steven

2v2 is where its at

[fossil lance]

hes still great at 1v1

[slate carbon]

But him being designed as a support character is way more apparent in 1s

[vague hollow]

Yeah, he really struggles in 1v1.

[primal vortex]

hes still top 10 in 1s

[vague hollow]

Hard disagree, but I can see where you're coming from.

[true lion]

This is probably the second best version of steven on release he 100% it's top 10

Cuz release steven was just craaaaaazy

[vague hollow]

I do still hate that they buffed his best move. I hope they revert that change, and/or just nerf it completely.

[fossil lance]

yall wildin

[vague hollow]

Well, it is in the name lol

[dusk yoke]

We not playing the same game

We genuinely not playing the same game 😭

[vague hollow]

I know. 💀

[dusk yoke]

We are talking about Steven right?

Steven in the hit Warner Bros game Multiversus?

The king of nair sair aerial down special?

Is struggling in 1v1??

[vague hollow]

Idk what to tell you. 😅 Like actually, any time someone suggests he might have even the slightest issue, they're spam replied with 'No because Nair' 😭

[dusk yoke]

I mean maybe his grounded moves, but you can’t deny the amount of power he has from those three moves alone

Basically all his aerials honestly make him that strong alone

[tidal swift]

#clips message

funni watermelon extension

[merry merlin]

@dusky needle

[dusky needle]

can someone give me tips for steven or combos

[fossil lance]

he’s more of a juggler

but nair dair tech chases

[slate carbon]

man i sure do love them nerfing steven in the ways that arent gonna fix people's issues with him

steven's are still gonna spam nair

if anything they're gonna spam more since they nerfed the other moves he'd use

[river bay]

This is why I kinda wish they went with Future Steven a bit more then Classic Steven. I know that his most recognizable appearance but Future Steven works way better as a combat character then regular Steven

[river bay]

Well Steven got Nerfed Again

[vague hollow]

Tbh i'm coping rn. 💀

We're kinda halfway to what we want. All his best moves (but Sair) were hit, so now all we is better grounded options to have a good balance. (And for Sair to be hit.)

[river bay]

Sair already was hit with the Size decrease a couple patches ago

[vague hollow]

Yeah, but it still often hits far away from the visual.

That's about my only issue. KB seems fair, and while it's "spammable" it's about as spammable as any other Sair.

[river bay]

Well keep in mind they are also adjusting histop

[vague hollow]

Oh I didn't know about that. That REALLY needs an adjustment. 💀

[river bay]

Yeah it isn't coming in this patch but they are adjusting it so you see what actually hit you

[tidal swift]

@reef bluff ggs

[reef bluff]

Ggs

[dusky raven]

ggs indeed

[stable pendant]

wheres the scum dude

[compact copper]

Banished to the Top Tier realm

[true lion]

Sadly he got banned

Btw
Rose bomb = Scum
Rip scum guy

[stable pendant]

🪦 Here lies "scum guy" 2024-2024

[vague hollow]

Never thought I'd see the day. 😔

I'll leave an emoji string in remembrance.

[stable pendant]

[vague hollow]

🤡👶🍼

R.I.P.

[heady needle]

🙏

[dapper birch]

If I still hear people complaining about Steven I may just crash out

[vague hollow]

Trust me, it's still happening. 😅

[compact copper]

I have a love and hate relationship with Steven tbh

[stable pendant]

fr

He can feel op

but hes feels so shallow

[compact copper]

Nah for me he messes Bugs over with those shields

[stable pendant]

is bugs a bad matchup for steven

i dont play steven like at all cuz he feels so terrible

[slate carbon]

i think most mages have a bad matchup vs steven

he has like 5 different ways to get rid of projectiles

[gloomy kiln]

Is the bubble you place on people with Roses gaze good?

It feels like it just stops you from getting ring outs with stevens up air

[vague hollow]

It gives you time to spawn a Watermelon or set up NSpecial. And in 2v2, it lets you and a partner 2v1 for a few seconds.

[twilit wadi]

Where is stevens Lion banner? it is not in my list of banners anymore

[gloomy kiln]

it was randomly taken out

like the marceline ring out last season

[trim scaffold]

I'd say all of them except......

Uhhhh

🤔

Das a hard one.

Joker?

That being said Bugs v Steven is way better armor killer cause then you don't have to worry about bubble on landing and can get back to juggiling.

But I've seen like 3 Bugs' that use that perk for some reason...

[trim scaffold]

That is a very real concern, and has cost at least one game.

That being said

If you count to 5 and time an up-air correct.

Or up-b if you need something faster.

Or Steven Bomb if you got it online.

Or Dash Attack if all of those fail.

Then they'll die anyways.

And because of the slow rise into the air.
It's pretty easy for Steven to catch them to setup this up and it'd kill earlier than average.

One you get it down Rose Bubble becomes a kill confirm at like 60-70 which is kinda ridiculous.

I'm not amazing at it myself, but I still like to use the time to setup plats and walls uninterrupted.

Up-b's plat cooldown is one of the shortest in the game so you can kind of liberal with it.

[slate carbon]

joker is hardly a mage he has like 2 projectiles

[trim scaffold]

Rick got buffed pretty well last-patch maybe it's even now.

But probably not

[slate carbon]

well he can pretty much deny meeseeks at any time

[pale flume]

Its weird how arya went from one of the characters that takes the most amount of skill to one of the characters who takes the least amount of skill

[atomic nymph]

what do you mean by neutral-b? i play on pc

[trim scaffold]

Neutral special

My bad

Smash brain

[trim scaffold]

Wrong chat

[pale flume]

No, this is the Steven Universe channel right?

Unless im getting some weird glitch

[slate carbon]

yeah but your just talking about arya

[pale flume]

Hell if im gonna say that in the arya chat lmao

[slate carbon]

say it in steven cord or something

[pale flume]

Eh

Less people would reply on the stevencord

Not very good for conversation

[trim scaffold]

Do it coward.

[dusky raven]

#clips message

[empty olive]

One of my mains. I weirdly use him in a support/distraction role when with other players. Has solid utility in every mode. (And a solid up spam blocker)

[visual acorn]

man idk

yall i think steven aint top 10 in 1s anymore

it has been a struggle

[dusky raven]

2s for the win

[primal vortex]

holy downplay

[visual acorn]

shhh

[primal vortex]

hes still top 2 guaranteed in 2s (if not top 1)

and still amazing in 1ws

😭

oh yeah

nvm

steven bad

everyone should drop steven

[languid turtle]

what makes steven so good in your eyes

he seems like he doesn’t have the combos other top tiers have

[primal vortex]

big hitbox

sheld

tech read combosa

[trim scaffold]

IG has at least two of those and he succs.

He's about the get the 3rd one if I had to guess.

[primal vortex]

ig has big hurtbox too

strengths are backed by a major weakness

steven

is erm

[trim scaffold]

You're big and uber heavy it's like a trade off.

Steven is smol and light.

Two sides of the same coin.

[primal vortex]

its not a trade off current patch

ig is really bad rn

[trim scaffold]

Next Patch they should make him a bit smaller then.

[primal vortex]

just buff his kit

small might just make him worse

gets rid of the current things he has

[trim scaffold]

Like his size

That's clearly a problem.

Like you said.

[primal vortex]

he losing jab nair combos

and dair nair loop

then hes the worst char

[trim scaffold]

They should make him faster yeah.

That way he'll have an easier time comboing.

Once he's smaller he'll need some extra speed to compensate.

Some extra dodge distance too.

His button can be made faster too.

Smaller hitboxes means giving them better frame data won't be busted.

[trim scaffold]

Having a smaller hurtbox has never been a bad thing in any game ever. /hyp

Granted IG could lose some range, but I think he'd take that over getting hit once and being put in a cutscene.

[tidal swift]

Steven future skin when

[mossy viper]

Never

[slate carbon]

so you guys think we're gonna get changed in S4?

[trim scaffold]

Probably

Shields means aerials need to be sped up less the half or so the reactable ones become too easy to stop.

[slate carbon]

why does discord keep unfollowing this thread

[merry zealot]

On cooldown, I want neutral special to turn into his boomerang shield, and down special to turn into a shield smack (like he does to Ruby and aquamarine in future) that also reflects projectiles. Also make his grounded side special on cooldown into a bubble run forwards. He’s done it before and it’d make more use of his neutral dodge mechanic. Where it shares ammo with his neutral dodge

[slate carbon]

what if instead of boomerang neutral special it was command grab neutral special where he puts them in a bubble and throws them upwards

[merry zealot]

That sounds cool, but I had an idea that has something to do with bubbling that I like. Basically he can bubble items and if it hits an opponent it adds stacks of roses gaze

And the command grab idea is good but he doesn’t really grab people when he’s fighting, and it would basically make the stacks thing he has useless.

[pale flume]

His neutral special cooldown could be charged, and the longer its charged the longer the person gets bubbled. In higher ranked games, itd be hard to land a fully charged one [which would equate to a normal bubble]
But itd be a good little thing to get past armour

[merry zealot]

I think it’d be cool for his neutral special to be able to attach to projectiles too

[pale flume]

Maybe if he bubbled a friendly projectile itd be able to take a parry and otherwise apply roses gaze

[slate carbon]

so we thinking steven is gonna get buffed or nerfed?

[primal vortex]

Nerfed

[stable pendant]

@slate carbon bruh they didnt like garnet huh

[slate carbon]

ig not

[stable pendant]

ggs tho?

is steven and garnet really that bad in 2v2

[slate carbon]

ik both are annoying as heck to face

so its prob just that

[stable pendant]

maybe im biased i love going vs garnet

ruh roh

[pale flume]

Definitely nerfed, if messed with at all.

[timid mango]

With the power of copium

Steven will receive his Young adult fit and buffs

[gloomy kiln]

PLEASE

[slate carbon]

STEVEN SHIELD BUFFS

[trail spoke]

ukelele emote

[merry zealot]

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[river bay]

I think that's more so the fact that everyone is getting sheild. Though now it doesn't act like armor. I am gonna miss the ability to sheild my ally though

[slate carbon]

oh i think i missed that can we not shield our ally anymore?

[river bay]

With how sheilds are gonna work now I wouldn't be surprised if they remove that

[distant yew]

U guys are crazy on into the verss u can see Steven shielding in the air

His shield still the same pretty sure

[river bay]

It's changing from what it is which is basically just 3 hits of armor which increases recovery to being an actual sheild now

[river bay]

Steven Universe passive is reworked to allow for air shielding and an air Shield Break Attack. He can also now perform a ground parry out of shield.

[slate carbon]

Steven Universe

Ground Side Attack 2
    – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Steven
Air Side Attack
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Air/Ground Side Special
    ~ Shields now slowly descend when anything is on top of them
Air/Ground Side Special (Cooldown)
    ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
Air/Ground Up Special
    ~ Shields now slowly descend when anything is on top of them

[river bay]

I mean... it's not a nerf

Technically

[haughty forge]

mostly changes i guess

[tidal swift]

we are schmooving

short hop fastfall sair 🔥

[pale flume]

Man. WW once again walking away scott-free. How do we even counter her?

[stable pendant]

Jump off map tech

[iron remnant]

steven airwalker is broken

[merry zealot]

Most mischaracterized moveset in the game

Least amount of animations in the game

[iron remnant]

do you share your perks with watermelon steven?

[river bay]

Well Steven himself especially since this is classic steven doesn't really fight back a whole lot so most of his stuff like the Bubble Fist and Spiked Shield come from his Movie and Future Counterpart

[slate carbon]

No

[merry zealot]

Even then, I just feel like there could be a few other things added to his Moveset that would be easy to implement

I was in a bad mood when I wrote that ngl, he’s pretty mischaracterized and he has the least amount of stuff (animations and good costumes) in the game but I mean whatever

[river bay]

Ehhhh. I feell like there are a couple characters thay have worst costumes

[distant yew]

This character is never getting proprer nerfs

[river bay]

He has.

[distant yew]

Not really

[river bay]

If he didn't get nerfs he would be doing crazy sheild bounces

[high plume]

Steven got mega buffed this season 💀💀💀

[pale flume]

Delulu

[high plume]

Nerf my boy steven

[forest ginkgo]

I've been struggling a bit w Steven in Arena Mode. It's hard to carry w him. Any recommends for the best abilities to buy for him?

[forest ginkgo]

Honestly I feel like Steven could use some buffs in general. You have to play perfectly w him to get any kind of value and it's just so underwhelming compared to literally any other characters in the game.

His short range makes him easy pressure and whiff bait and he has no good "get off me" moves. Most "good" Steven's I see while just go for nairs and Sairs then run away because what else can they do. Steven feels overnerfed tbh.

I don't want Nair buffed but that was his only good get off me tool and now that it's gone in that regard, bruisers and assassins eat Steven for breakfast

[distant yew]

Skill

Iss

Iss

Isssssssss-

Issue

[forest ginkgo]

The only one here w a skill issue is your salty ass coming in here whining about nerfs. Cope.

[distant yew]

What did i even say 😂

Im sorry man the problem isnt Steven

Its you

Steven is pretty good rn hes like S tier on both modes

[vague hollow]

Don't worry, he'll get bored again. He just likes doing this sometimes.

[iron remnant]

platform gravity was a buff

[light night]

[iron remnant]

air shield's pretty nutty

i think the 0 damage stalling is a good trade off for worrying more about your positioning

[trim scaffold]

It's totally getting nerfed lol lmao.

It's basically launch day bubble with the safest parry in the game and it just doesn't lose to armor breaks anymore because of course it doesn't.

[tidal venture]

Congrats on being the only character getting a midseason patch note

[jaunty orbit]

Damn this shi dead

[tidal venture]

Nevermind. PFG decided to add other patch notes slowly overtime.

[potent blade]

Why does nobody play him

You'd think a popular character like him would have more players but I can't recall the last time I saw one and this chat is dead

[slate carbon]

bc hes just nair

[timid mango]

Because the dev made him so butt it’s not funny

[trim scaffold]

He doesn't seem that popular a character.

His show ended almost half a decade ago, and he doesn't really play like the rest of the roster.

I think the only reason his win rate is so high is because the handful who play him after all the nerfs, are total die hards, likely tryhards.

I swear to god this character feels broken when you pull out the excel spreadsheet, know how to read techs, and start giving people mid-game geometry lessons.

[slate carbon]

also he's so rare that i don't think many people know the match up or even what he does

[trim scaffold]

TRUE

I lost count of how many times my teammates have tried to hit someone in rose's bubble.

[slate carbon]

there's gotta be a term for this

[trim scaffold]

I call it theCaptian Ginyu nerd knowledge check.

The galaxy brained character that no one plays pulls up and you get smacked with stuff you never knew even existed.

[slate carbon]

i was talking about the effect where characters end up seeming stronger than they are bc nobody plays them and nobody knows what they do

[tidal swift]

any tips vs Jason?

[tame edge]

Just spam his side air and neutral air. That what the master rank Steven’s I play against do when I use Jason

[tidal swift]

a lot of combos or follow up to nair o sair loses to jason grab

from my experience

and if im in the air, he gets free rage, so it's akward

because steven dtilt kinda sucks, and i can't commit full chargued nair with the perk vs jason with rage because it's predictable sometimes

maybe if i do more a campy playstyle with the techchase thing

[forest ginkgo]

Beat him up relentlessly don't give him a second to breathe

[lament light]

Theres been no message here for 27 days

[brittle fox]

Are you surprised?

[lament light]

Not anymore

[brittle fox]

🥲

[jaunty orbit]

Dead game

That’s why

Ppl moved on

[rapid salmon]

It was fun while it lasted Steven bros

[vague hollow]

It's been nice playing Steven in a platform fighter. Hope to do so again someday.

[pale flume]

Another time, another place, another Multiversus

[twilit wadi]

Same

[light night]

wow, this game had potential too, 😦

[jaunty orbit]

WB and PFG suck

Would of been a banger if Disney had it

[native kettle]

❤️

[mental jungle]

Can't believe we didn't get future steven ever 😢

[vague hollow]

Never got the Steven Tag variants. I was excited for those. 😔

[green raven]

Never got future Steven 😦

[rose raven]

Mods perchance

[vague hollow]

Someone's already working on it for beta.

Tbh if I ever learn blender, I wanna edit the proportions of the model, and figure out how to get the weight painting to not destroy the model because Dear Lord, these models have a lot of bones. 😭

[green raven]

one of 5 skins i wanted but never got

the other four are farmworld finn, future garnet, 50th dead world jake and Robot arm finn(so season 10 finn)

[pale flume]

Should have been his base skin bro

Dont worry though Shaggy, Velma, Batman, and WW got every single variant in the history of ever

[lethal parcel]

Does anyone know if the ukulele taunt can be played like Marvin's horn?

[river bay]

He finally got buffed

[pale flume]

Yeah that makes sense

[trim scaffold]

I hope these new moves can do a lot of heavy lifting cause Sair kills are a thing of the past now.

I mean it'll still kill eventually

[river bay]

I mean you can combo out of jab way easier now

[green raven]

Agreed

[trim scaffold]

If you find any new sauce lmk.
I wanna try out whatever I can before June hits.

[green raven]

I think the new Steven emote is his best one

Wish it was not 1,000 tho

[lethal parcel]

Do you know whether you get to play your own music like with Marvin's horn? Or does it just loop the two chords from the store demo?

[lethal parcel]

My curiosity got the better of me and I actually spent 1k gleam on the ukulele emote. It really does only play 2 chords: F major and G major. You have to press the attack input while the taunt is active, but unlike Marvin, the directional buttons don't change the chords, so you're just stuck with 2 chords that don't even make sense to be played together without other chords to complete the progression.

[green raven]

That sucks

I was hoping for better for a 10 dollar emote