Steven Universe

[sick cypress]

Yeah, that’s alright I guess, I usually died off the second or third instead of the first one

Why did Wonder Woman barely get touched tho?

Like her already untrue combo starters were made 2 frames less true, sair just a little less knockback and down special has a bit longer cooldown

[light night]

wild guess but nakat is favoring her

[sick cypress]

You’re probably spitting

I believe it

He probably has a heavy hand in the balance changes

[ivory raptor]

They acknowledged her strengths! Is that not enough for you people?!

[sick cypress]

Back on the clock already

[ivory raptor]

You guys are so ungrateful

They publicly stated that they acknowledge Wonder Woman's strengths and will nerf her in a future patch

[covert osprey]

No way you're defending WW but complaining about Steven 😭

[ivory raptor]

WW is like A tier, Steven is S

[twilit wadi]

Did the nerf make him bad now?

[ivory raptor]

Gotta wait until tomorrow

[covert osprey]

What world are you living in?

Just look at tournament results

Wonder Woman is top 8ing way more tournaments than Steven is

[sick cypress]

Lmao

[twilit stone]

Thoughts on the patch?

[twilit stone]

Both were in S

I really hope this patch didn't just make Steven bad, but I'm not feeling good about it. 😦

[trim scaffold]

How to not nerf a character 101.

Shaggy changes were fun tho.

[twilit stone]

Well, Steven still has side-air, and neutral-air was only changed to no longer proc Flammable. He might still be fine. Probably more reliant on side-air than ever before, though.

[trim scaffold]

Only?

[twilit stone]

At this point, I'm more worried about Steven's kill options since they nerfed uppercut

[trim scaffold]

Nair has 8 more frames of whiff recovery.

Regardless if you do the super nuke version of the one that has less then his jab.

[twilit stone]

Just going to have to land more up-air slaps I guess

But you're right, racking up damage is going to be harder without Flammable d:

And if you use side-air too often, you get tagged by attack decay

[light night]

yeah that's what i said

[river bay]

Oh did they change steven?

[orchid juniper]

the endlag on the nair and dair is really noticable

[reef forge]

The changes are completely fair I think

Spamming Nair in neutral was way too viable

He has so many other options that we should not be defaulting to a nair that dealt 20, applies a burn, and can’t be punished lol

Imo watermelon Steven shouldn’t die as easily but maybe that’ll come with time

Make his other perk worth considering~

[gilded nymph]

I wouldn't mind them if they nerfed stronger characters just as much

[hardy geyser]

Steven c tier

[twilit stone]

True enough, it's just that he didn't have a lot of other options

[orchid juniper]

personally i think they went too far on the endlag changes

steven feels horrible to play now

[hardy geyser]

Yea completely dropped Steven

Feels like ass to play

[burnt lantern]

Stevens cooked im afraid

[sick cypress]

At least the endlag changes are on whiff, his combo potential with nair and dair should be the same

[versed bridge]

We are

[trim scaffold]

So what perks do you peeps run now?

[trail spoke]

well there’s goes my main

i think im gonna play smash now

[trim scaffold]

TFD & Bounce Bubble both got nerfed because why not.

[burnt lantern]

Our main

[trim scaffold]

Sweet
You host or should I?

[versed bridge]

Real

[burnt lantern]

Well guys see you next year when connie gets added

[versed bridge]

💀

[covert osprey]

Damn y'all are just gonna give up

[versed bridge]

Nah

[trail spoke]

hope they bring amethyst

[burnt lantern]

Those nerfs are atrocious

[versed bridge]

We got this still

[trail spoke]

it’s the only main i learned how to play

[versed bridge]

It’s just going to be a little harder

[trail spoke]

i would main garnet but they don’t buff her

[covert osprey]

Yeah exactly

Now you just gotta try a little more

[burnt lantern]

A little 💀

[cursive wagon]

I really didn't think Steven was going to get more nerfs than WW lmao

Rivals of aether 2 can't launch soon enough

[versed bridge]

Yes a little

[odd crow]

Honestly they should off just nerfed ww first

[burnt lantern]

All my mains are ass now

Im not strong enough for this

[trail spoke]

someone at DC is doing something because why are all of them good?

[cursive wagon]

Or just nerfed one aspect of Steven, not most of his kit

[trim scaffold]

Yes.

[odd crow]

Like the acknowledged she was powerful yet they didn’t do nothing

[odd crow]

Are y’all even playing for the characters or just because he was strong

[cursive wagon]

Those frames are going to make bubbling your team mate unreactable most of the time too

I have 700 wins on Steven from the beta when he sucked

[trail spoke]

steven universe is my favorite show

[odd crow]

Like honestly Steven is my 3rd main first main in beta I play characters because I like their show 😭

[native kettle]

i’ve been trying to push steven as far as i could since the beta because im obsessed with su. but the patch hurt on a soul level

[odd crow]

I’ll still use him

Like I do with Morty and rick

[light night]

im still gonna use him too

he's the only character i only really like playing

[cold zodiac]

probably just snowball last stand pugilist now that nair isnt a projectile

you can still run flammable maybe but snowball just seems better

[orchid juniper]

atleast in the beta steven was weak but he felt fun to play

now he feels clunky asf

[cold zodiac]

think the nerf that is most frustrating to me is shield

[orchid juniper]

right

[cold zodiac]

it feels way too clunky now lmao

nair and dair im getting used to

[orchid juniper]

its probably faster to directional dodge than neutral dodge

[cold zodiac]

right lmao

[orchid juniper]

it hurts more in 2s cuz you really cant protect your teammate anymore

[cold zodiac]

have to make a soul read to give your teammate armor now

lol

[trail spoke]

[cold zodiac]

i find im just throwing out fair a lot more now

[trim scaffold]

I played him cause he was fun, and I grew up on the show, but it kinda fell off so love hate relationship

Now he is less fun.

Elementary really.

[versed bridge]

I never played the beta but I play the character because of the show

[trim scaffold]

You can have fun bad characters Jason has a playerbase after all, but if the reasons he's feels worse off is just almost everything we've been doing for the last 2 weeks is just worse or removed entirely.
Then what reason would I have to stick around?
It's not like they bothered to retune the guy into a more interesting state.
They just kneecapped the guy and we cope.
Launch PIchu type beat.

[trim scaffold]

Debatable

But I see what you mean.

[cold zodiac]

im chill with dair nerf cause i think the loops were kinda corny but nair and esp bubble were hit a bit much

[slate carbon]

i think the worst part is knowing they're not gonna buff him for months so he's just stuck like this

[cold zodiac]

months with this shield

[cursive wagon]

It's like 12 frames faster to directional dodge to shield than it is to parry to shield

[visual acorn]

so far the longest combo ive gotten is the jab 😭

truly living up to that expert character status now

[orchid juniper]

i remember in the beta when it was just nerf after nerf

its over for steven mains

[trim scaffold]

Do down-b jump cancels.

It's your best shot.

Make sure it's grounded down-b because air down-b still has that cringe dive kick, and comboing will be harder if you jump cancel it

[visual acorn]

they were nerfing steven as if he was actually working and not bugged out like crazy

[native kettle]

this

[orchid juniper]

every day it gets harder to defend this game

[odd crow]

Im Ngl

I expected that Steven was getting hella nerfed

People were complaining a lot about him being “OP”

Like that guy who came in here and said that Steven is better than ww

Also what the hell was that guy talking about

[vague hollow]

Tbh the only people I've seen complain about Steven are people that get punished for not mixing up their approach. They'll get hit by the same attack 3 times and call it broken. 💀

[odd crow]

Cmon now that’s most of the multiversus community now

[vague hollow]

You right, you right. 🤭

[odd crow]

Honestly the only characters that needed a nerf was fr ww and shaggy side special because it killed to early

Other than that

Not too many needed nerfs

Apart from Jason Jason deserved that buff

[vague hollow]

Real

[river bay]

Wait Nair isn't a projectile anymore...

[light night]

yeah it does a lot less damage without flammable

[cold zodiac]

it is not no

that’s why imo snowball is better for him

just more consistent damage

[river bay]

I tried him out in rifts mainly cause I was going through them his shield feels horrible to use

[cold zodiac]

yeah shield without directional dodge feels super ass

its a touch better when you dodge a direction and then try it but still like, eh

[river bay]

The thing with Steven is he can play around with his shield with how they changed it he really can't can't that anymore

[cold zodiac]

you have to be considerably more proactive with it now in 2s

1s i think you are generally better off directional air dodging if youre in trouble

[reef forge]

Y’all if you’re giving up on Steven because he’s no longer top tier

How do you think Velma mains felt lol

For like 2 months

[hardy geyser]

Deadass Steven wasn’t broken enough like WW and Bugs to get nerfed

He was beatable

You ppl just cried because of skill issue

Now Steven is complete ass

[covert osprey]

I wouldn't say he's complete ass but he definitely didn't deserve to be nerfed that hard

[cold zodiac]

he’s a lot different now yeah, idk if id call him like

bad

[hardy geyser]

Compared to Pre patch he’s ass

He was literally fine

[reef forge]

I haven’t played him myself so I can’t say, but he just seems mid tier at worst now

[hardy geyser]

If PFG had working brain cells and stop listening to useless CM like nakat this would of been a 10/10 update

Joker is STILL annoying to play against

[cold zodiac]

i think they went too crazy on nair and shield numbers personally

dair idrc

[hardy geyser]

Out of the bugs WW and joker trio

[cold zodiac]

was a cornball move

[hardy geyser]

Joker is the only one that needs more nerfs

[reef forge]

They kept Uair the way it is amusingly enough

[cold zodiac]

he needs it LOL

[hardy geyser]

Steven jabs suck

[cold zodiac]

im thankful for that

[hardy geyser]

I don’t understand why they nerfed his only good approach move

[reef forge]

Steven’s jab is NOT bad at all, that’s a free rose stack and it’s decently fast

[hardy geyser]

Maybe on play style

[cold zodiac]

when does jab 1 come out

actually ig a better question would be if there’s a resource for frame data like that

[reef forge]

His air down b is alright btw, but only as a mix up approach tool

[cold zodiac]

jab’s a lil stubby but not bad at all

[reef forge]

I think we’ll be fine guys, we just can’t spam nair anymore is all

[cold zodiac]

ya trying to unlearn that is tough lmao

[reef forge]

And that’s completely fine, Steven’s still got more ways to approach

Just gotta adapt or be unloyal

Nothing will ever be as bad as Velma was

Good god maining her was horrible

[cold zodiac]

i like the momentum it has with air dodging

[hardy geyser]

Unloyal is the way

It will be months before SU is decent again

[cold zodiac]

you just kinda zip around the stage with it

[hardy geyser]

I’ll play him once his Nair is back

[cold zodiac]

i think nair has to be more of a thing you threaten approaches with now as opposed to just, approaching with it

still has a p big hitbox and you still chunk people a good amount with it

its more of a

if you approach me wrong you take 20

kinda move

[hardy geyser]

Tbh I’m just bouncing around characters till Ben 10 or PPG are in the game

But man PFG lack of brain cells is alarming

Steven got gutted

[cold zodiac]

only thing i can conclusively say for now is i want shield back lmao

[reef forge]

@hardy geyser Personally I’m glad Steven will finally be as difficult as he’s meant to be. He’ll be fantastic still.

This will separate the true Stevens from the Nair spammers~

[cold zodiac]

everything else is a matter of getting comfortable with

[reef forge]

He’ll still be better than he was in the beta

His Nair was pretty eh in beta and he had a very hard time killing

[cold zodiac]

i wasnt around for beta but folks make it sound like he was super bad

oh did he not have uair

[trail spoke]

i mean now we know it’s because they don’t play the game

they released a patch without testing it

[trail spoke]

his moves just weren’t as consistent

[reef forge]

Oh he was really good but he had a tough time killing outside of up b, but he was an incredible support. Just hard to play, the hardest character until Morty came out

[hardy geyser]

They don’t play test a thing

[reef forge]

His Nair was bleh, his sair and uair didn’t kill until 140+

Dair was pretty good but you had to get in first

But despite it all, he was a slept on high/top tier

[trail spoke]

i used to rely on his bubble and tether to kill in beta

[reef forge]

Yep, they always had good kill power

Learning how to bounce opponents was important

[cold zodiac]

v glad they didnt touch either of those

tether to uair kills gotta be my favorite thing to land

[reef forge]

It’s so fun

I love scaring them into an Uair/UpB read myself

[trail spoke]

can you still bubble people and time the tether?

i haven’t been able to pull it off

[cold zodiac]

you should be able to id imagine

its still 4 seconds for the rose bubble

[cold zodiac]

yeah being above steven is hell lmao

you either get uair/upb or you wait for the airdodge and fair and put them in a bad spot

[trail spoke]

https://youtu.be/SLPJHVYNTE4?si=VhdIvlcD5hndDKbH

mind the bad gameplay

[cold zodiac]

jesus that killed? LOL

you can def still do that but you’d need more percent to kill off the top like that

[trail spoke]

yeah tether in beta was so good

https://youtu.be/0Tq2zLyAE5E?si=zJKihgx1ZZg67M9u

i used to whiff a lot, i think it’s time to throw in the towel

[native kettle]

just realized they change steven to a human tag

and removed the mage bug

[trail spoke]

he had both human and nonhuman

[native kettle]

oh okie

[trail spoke]

does he only have human now?

[native kettle]

yea its weird how non human comes before on some skins and after on others

[native kettle]

nah my mistake he has both

[trail spoke]

oh okayy

[red sandal]

whats the point of bubble if it comes after dodge its
if you miss the dodge you get attacked (no bubble)
if you hit the dodge you dont need bubble

[rapid salmon]

He's a troll

[rapid salmon]

It's not because he's not top tier. Speaking for myself, played steven since beta and liked his design, watched the show and loved it. Still gonna play him after the nerfs, but nerfing almost every aspect of his kit and not compensating it with some reworks or buffs isn't fun for most people lol

This happened a lot in the beta

like when sair got nerfed, or steven's movement speed

[red sandal]

do you think they have playtesters?

[reef forge]

I main Steven and Velma myself. I haven’t played the new update yet, I can’t until later, but this is just one patch of somewhat moderate nerfs that were honestly justified

And isn’t nearly every aspect of his old kit. That was Velma in beta, repeatedly, over the course of so many patches lol. And even more on the official release

Compensation buffs would be nice though whenever they nerf any character. Straight up nerfs are not fun

It can’t be that bad. At worst it just seems like he has to try different approach options

I’ll play the update later and report back lol

[frank cradle]

Is it worth keeping flammable on because shield can still proc it, or would it be better to change to snowball effect/push the advantage?

[orchid juniper]

is steven bomb a projectile?

stevens only projectile would the the side b shield then right

[frank cradle]

Yeah, the nair is no longer a projectile. (Which sucks, but with how it works makes sense).

[slate carbon]

Yeah neutral special is a projectile, so he has 2 projectiles

[orchid juniper]

i think snowball or push the advantage would give more value anyways

[trim scaffold]

What Velma mains?
She's the character I've seen the least in this game since it came out.

And I think a lot of people have a similar experience.

[timid mango]

Lmao all the people switching characters is crazy

This dude still good idk what they are talking about

[trim scaffold]

Character loyalty gets people a couple brownie points.
Those aren't worth trying to struggle with a cutiepie demayo you don't enjoy.

[covert osprey]

The update hasn't been out for a full day, the people leaving haven't even tried to find new stuff. They just saw the old stuff wasn't working and gave up

[trim scaffold]

He's pretty similar to launch version.
Only he doesn't kill as well or deal as much damage.
The bigger problem was that his environment could run circles around him and 2 touch him barring the occasional bubble clutch.

Oh and this was a thing

(Minor volume warning)

[trim scaffold]

Both of your projectiles have a notable cooldown, and have very strong uses that result in them not connecting (Steven Bomb can force an dodge that can be frame trapped, & Shield is a literal map edit). It's not something you can reliably take advantage of.
If it works for you more power to you, but I wouldn't advise it personally.

[twilit stone]

I'll be playing Steven either way since I like his playstyle and voice lines (same reason I played him in beta), but it looks like the general consensus is that Steven sucks again? 😦

Didn't get a chance to play him yesterday, since I only jumped on to get quests done. Too many character-specific quests and Steven didn't fit any of them.

I was really holding out hope that maybe the nerf wasn't as bad as I thought it was, since it seriously looked like he was getting nerfed harder than characters that were objectively more powerful than him, and I'm biased since I main this character.

[river bay]

Yeah I'm sorry but for a character who has a shield making it come out when you can get hit between the natural dodge and the shield coming out it makes the shield have minimal use unless your high enough or there's enough space to get it out

[twilit stone]

Lol, you can get hit between the parry and the shield coming out now? Well so much for that mechanic.

[river bay]

Well I don't really know but there is a couple of seconds between the Parry and the shield coming out now

[gleaming rivet]

Still needs a Durability nerf imo, Revert the previous change and change him to a bruiser, Hes WAY too tanky for 1s considering his hitbox is rlly small

[serene pier]

Is Steven now bad or is he still solid?

[versed bridge]

Mid

In my opinion

[serene pier]

Yknow what, I’ll take it

I need a tank for my roster and Steven seems like the most fun

[versed bridge]

Tbh it depends on the player at this point

[serene pier]

As long as he isn’t gutted I’m happy

[versed bridge]

If you know what you’re doing

[serene pier]

Honestly, thats when character design is good

[versed bridge]

Yup

It’s not easy or hard to play him or win with him

Just play correctly

[serene pier]

Hes sounds great, gonna probably pick him up next

[versed bridge]

Yup ^^

He is fun to play as even though he got nerf hard

Some people are dropping him because he is not good as he was

Just put time in the character

[serene pier]

Thats a pretty bad reason to immediately drop lol

I’ve seen it happen in SSBU in the past and the meta for the character practically died

[versed bridge]

Yeah

[serene pier]

Steven seems like he falls into the slot of “difficult character that can possible be super good but just doesn’t have the player base behind him”

[versed bridge]

Correct

[trim scaffold]

I can tell.
Which is why I sound like a broken record.
Why should people put time to get good at character when they aren't fun to play?

[serene pier]

Which is why you pick who you enjoy

[river bay]

He's a tank class....

[slate carbon]

ill prob still play him but im def gonna be playing jason more, steven feels super sluggish, not even beta felt this bad

[serene pier]

Isn’t he also a mage

Like both classes combined

[river bay]

No that was removed it was a bug

[serene pier]

Ah ok

Btw nice pfp

[river bay]

Thanks

[timid mango]

True but your villainous for that

[oblique ivy]

I know lmaoooo

[river bay]

Ill have to get used to the shield changes. Overall he doesn't feel too too bad

[gleaming rivet]

Never said he wasnt, Thing is is that most tanks have a big hitbox, He has a small hotbox and is still tanky

[covert osprey]

When the tank is tanky 🤯🤯🤯

This is like being surprised that a mage class has projectiles

[slate carbon]

hes very light and has one instance of armor in his whole kit that got nerfed really hard

[gleaming rivet]

Bro is blind, His hitbox is too small to be a tank

[river bay]

That's cause compared to other tanks he's short

[serene pier]

Wario in SSBU is actually really tanky while also being really short, it just depends on how you balance it out

Wario struggles with disjoints and can get blocked out by swords and such while also not having very good mobility

[covert osprey]

You're blind his class is literally tank 😭😭

[frank cradle]

Still think they should have gone with the Steven Universe Future model and not the old season model.

[river bay]

It nake sense why they did Normal Steven and not Future Steven

[gleaming rivet]

Never said it wasnt mate, Im saying All tanks have a bigger hitbox except Him, He shouldnt be a tank even tho he is

[hardy geyser]

bob yosh has an IQ of a squirrel

[gleaming rivet]

Fr, Bro has the attention span of a peanut, Cant even read an entire sentence without Crying because i reccomended a change for his favourite broken character

[serene pier]

Honestly mage does fit more even if he does have the shield stuff, but there always has been shorter tanks in these styles of games, tanks are always constricted by stuff like poor mobility being combo food, doesn’t nessecarily have to be size

[covert osprey]

I don't even main Steven lol

You were complaining that the tank is tank-like

It doesn't matter if you think Steven should or shouldn't be a tank, he is, so naturally he's going to have some tank like qualities

And if you think Steven is broken then you're IQ is lesser than that of a squirrel

[red sandal]

i thinks hes still alright except for his bubble shield

[rapid salmon]

Future Steven should be his own character tbh

Current steven has some of future's moves but FS has a different fighting style

[primal osprey]

I want a legendary skin for Steven

[red sandal]

at this point i would rather have them remove bubble shield entirely

[serene pier]

Make two Watermelon Steven’s

Or also just give him his future atire without making him taller

[twilit stone]

Flammable or not, though? N-air no longer procs it, but his beam and projectile still do, so idk

I don't like the nerf to the bubble shield, but the nerf to uppercut was completely unnecessary. I don't exactly have kill moves falling out of my sandals over here

[sick cypress]

I don’t think they changed the lag on hit or hitstun of dair, just more lag on whiff and like one less active frame

[twilit stone]

Something about it definitely feels slower than before the patch. It seems smoother when I go into Training though, so maybe you're right. I could just be getting bad input lag this evening

[sick cypress]

I’ve definitely been noticing more lag for sure

Maybe I’m just paying more attention to it but it feels substantially worse

[twilit stone]

I didn't feel it that much before switching to Steven, that's why I thought they nerfed his d-air harder. I don't know what's going on

Any thoughts on Flammable?

[cold zodiac]

i think it really depends on how much you’re hitting tether

shield is an easy projectile to avoid so i wouldnt run flammable for just that. having tether as a way to punish people for wanting to combo you during it and then getting the damage off then is chill

i value the consistency of snowball more rn

[cold zodiac]

i still dont know what they were thinking with this LOL

they went wayyyyy too far in one direction, i wouldnt have minded a longer cooldown if it meant keeping the shield we had but making it turbo ass frame data wise on a longer cooldown was unreasonably harsh

[sick cypress]

I was fine with literally every change except for the shield bubble nerfs

Like Steven was super strong and could mash really hard cool make his good moves have more lag on whiff but why would you take a tank character and make his signature method of protection potentially detrimental to use?

[ivory raptor]

Drop a clip of it I actually wanna see just how long the delay is because Batmans slide got 8 frames of whiff and now whiffing it is just a death wish

Mf stands there for a whole second just staring

[covert osprey]

Yeah I thought that was questionable too. I feel like they're catering more to his offenses rather than his defenses and it should be vice versa imo

[true lion]

You all still have the down b cancel into down b, this is a joke, you all still have the attack, dodge into attack that is ALSO a kill confirm, wow

[orchid juniper]

you can defiinitely dodge out of down b strings

[covert osprey]

Wdym by "attack dodge into attack that is also a kill confirm"

What attacks are these

[true lion]

They can cancel down b into down b, doesn't sound that amazing but it is for dodging projectiles

Also I think you can cancel it into ANYTHING

And if you hit it and your enemy is high enough you get a kill

[covert osprey]

Oh

That's cool actually

I wanna try that now

And by down b into down b you mean the shield into the kick right?

[true lion]

Yeah but there's more ways to use it so your enemy can't know what is your next move

It's like a free mind game

[covert osprey]

Funky

Like different timings?

[trim scaffold]

This is so vauge it hurts.

[true lion]

Is that hard to understand? You all can cancel down b into anything probably frame 1

Even another down b

It's so fast you can't even react

[covert osprey]

"probably"

You have no idea lmaoo

[river bay]

We are talking about Dair not not Speical down air

[river bay]

They did it cause they wanted to add "vulnerability" between the parry and the shield. The parry barely lasted long so if anything his dodge button was more of a shield button

[mental canyon]

https://youtu.be/oGJmkTZUIqo?si=t7-gmnW8M4oOOU28 you don’t know how happy i am hearing i’m not the only one that thinks this

his neutral special is literally made up he does not do that once in the show

but hearing people speak about this puts such a big smile on my face

[haughty forge]

Jeez these messages are old

[mental canyon]

i know but i haven’t hopped in this channel for decades

i make make an update to the steven revamp video

[river bay]

I mean if you think about it Future Steven did all the fighting and stuff

[quasi thorn]

Honestly I feel like this is a really solid revamp? It feels like it changes things in a way that makes them make more sense without changing them to drastically. (Up special can still make a shield platform, down special still has potential for Watermelon Steven through a perk.) The only thing I'm a lil' iffy on is the new neutral special, as it sounds like it's just his side special without his shield stopping to act like a wall.

[river bay]

For Steven it's kinda hard to make an entire moveset for when his entire thing is mostly just defense

[quasi thorn]

I wouldn't say that's his entire thing, but it is a pretty big part of it.

[river bay]

Like at Most I would probably make him Future Steven. With like a costume that gives him his Classic Red Shirt and without a Jacket if they want to keep the classic appearance

[quasi thorn]

Maybe his neutral special could be changed to like, a parry stance? Like Steven takes a defensive stance with his shield front and center, and it acts like a counter similarly to Joker's. The difference, though, is that it's stronger against projectiles than it is against physicals attacks: Able to reflect them back at the foe with influence over it's direction and more speed. For team play, maybe you could reflect your partners projectiles too, making them not only faster but stronger as well, and correct a missed projectile's course.

[cold zodiac]

https://streamable.com/7clmua

[nova venture]

guys how is Steven feeling rn?

[light night]

i still like him, but the nerfs are pretty noticeable

[trim scaffold]

You know I've given a lot of shade to how PFG's handles Steven.

[trim scaffold]

But I gotta say these specials aren't cooking.

At least relative to what Steven already has in game.

Steven Bomb or I guess it's technically called BUBBLE BOY!, but that name sucks so I'm ignoring it.

Isn't too far removed from anything Steven has done to where he'd be more fun to play if he just had a side-b that doesn't stay in place.
Sounds like the on-cooldown version of his current side-b like the Sanchez Ski-shoes anywhere else just feels redundant.

And up-special is way more clunky.
It's functionally the same in a lot of ways but the shield is on the top and not the bottom which is a problem for a few reasons.

1. Steven is super floaty, and already struggles to land without burning resources so being forced above your opponent to place a platform is putting you in a worse spot.
2. Placing the platform requires you to be at the place you want to place it when you use the move instead of being able to do the move and choose where to place the platform after the move is finished

Which makes the move more clunky to use and more committal just so the fans can point at a reference.

It also makes him way harder to spike when recovering, granted that is a buff.
It's just not a very healthy one given how hard Steven is to edge guard as is.

[frank cradle]

Actually he did do that when he got his powers back at the end of the movie.

He was doing a bunch of little quick moves with his power once they came back and that was one of them. He never used it on anybody though, granted.

Or wait, I think I was thinking of his nair, you're talking about the beam aren't you.

That one does seem to be made up, yeah.

[true lion]

Then tell me what frame is It, It looks like frame 3 for me lol

There's no whiff if you fail the attack btw

[trim scaffold]

Did you frame by frame it?

That's how we got frame data it back in the day.

[trim scaffold]

Then just hit him.

It doesn't beat out any half decent disjoint, nor cover his head.

[twilit stone]

👍

[true lion]

No but you can? Cuz rn there's impossible to do that for me

[true lion]

Wow why I didn't think of it!!! maybe I don't have a good move to punish that??? wow

[trim scaffold]

Simply an issue of skill.

Heck you don't even need a good move to punish it.

It'll trade or get beat out by virtually any active hitbox.

[true lion]

If you say so, steven universe still top 6 lmao

[gilded nymph]

whats your main out of curiosity @true lion

[true lion]

Jake

and morty

[trim scaffold]

Steven is top 6 if you remove every DC character from the game.

[gilded nymph]

haven't played enough of new patch yet and I know all of those characters got changed, but I doubt Steven is A tier

[true lion]

Even with characters who aren't from dc he still top 6

[trim scaffold]

Agreed.

[cold zodiac]

i tried doing uair out of shield surf with frame delay set to 0 and i counted 31 frames before it came out, might be a little inaccurate but def nowhere near frame 1 lol

[timid mango]

Still mad how we never got those blue diamond and lapis ringouts they were completed

[stoic raft]

Hey So I Haven’t Been Able To Play But I Wanted To Ask. Is Steven Still Viable?

[ivory raptor]

He's not meta but he's not as bad as the Steven mains try and tell you

[stoic raft]

I Just Want To Be Able To Play The Game And Not Get Shafted For Playing Him Like Choosing Jake. Like Can I Still Win Playing Steven?

[covert osprey]

Yeah 100%

He's definitely better in 1s than he is in 2s, idk what format you prefer

[ivory raptor]

Steven is still a solid character

If you just care about winning and not playing characters you like though I'd suggest a more meta approach such as Joker

[stoic raft]

Yeah, I Usually Just Play Characters I Find Fun And Win Through Learning And Improving But It Doesn’t Seem That Viable In This Game. So Hearing He’s Still Playable Is Nice.

He’s Really Fun And I Love His Playstyle.

[slate stratus]

I hope Steven never recovers from his trauma and his therapy appointments don't provide any useful insight. I hope that Connie realizes that she can do better and Steven has to leave earth because he never had a formal education and becomes an outcast from society

Sorry just salty that my last sharkweek hat was Steven's.

[trim scaffold]

This is a fighting game made after 2020
Unviable characters are a thing of the past.

[peak linden]

i’m labbing out steven right now and has anyone noticed that he might have true kill confirms off his jab?

idk if the training mode bots are dodging correctly or not but it seems they are

[light night]

i don't think so unfortunately

utilt is the closest thing to a confirm

[peak linden]

i can send a clip of the combo

been fighting jason’s and it’s killing at 105 ish

[stoic raft]

No? Jake Exists?

[trim scaffold]

People who call Jaosn unviable just need to git gud. 😎

[peak linden]

#combos message

@light night

[light night]

thats a really good finisher

actually never thought of nair out of jab

i thought they put lock out on that?

[peak linden]

guess not

works on like everyone in the cast

that i’ve tested

i’ve been using jab nair in my regular combos and it’s actually a really good combo starter

[peak linden]

i use the neutral button to do it cus the execution can be hard

[mental canyon]

that barely counts

firstly the moves look completly different

secondly in multiversus his gem connects to another person like a string and then does it?

[frank cradle]

Yeah I mistook which move you were talking about.

At first I thought you meant the nair.

[mental canyon]

nah his nair is fine

[mental canyon]

I genuinely cannot find a single instance to where steven does bubble boy (yea that name does suck) in the show (No, the movie or future does not count as those are clearly not the same movie + I already talked about that in the video) however, I can agree on the side B thing (If they were to redesign him to future steven however, It would be cool to have it be a hexagon like in the show, it would be purely cosmetic and would not change anything)

[true lion]

I'm so tired of nair full charge doing full of dmg and steven players saying that move is bad

A full combo of some characters do 19-26 while steven can hit a nair and it's even 😂

''Just hit it 🤓 '' like I have a whole sword for that

[mental canyon]

I do think skateboard is a pretty neat idea for a move tho (even tho it's a bit spammy)

[trim scaffold]

It's not directly taken from anything it just resembles other things from Steven's appearances.

It's not like everything on these characters is a one to one callback after all.

[trim scaffold]

🔥

[trim scaffold]

Alr here's a tip should be easier for you to use.
When a Steven goes for a fully charged nair.
Dodge away then jump.

It takes him a really long time to get the full charge of the move, and he's not too fast in the air while preparing it.
And he can't rise after he commits since they took out charge cancelling (Thank God 🙏 )
Run away from him with the dodge once you're not in harms way.
Then get the high ground so he'll have a hard time to hitting you with it.

Make sense?

[mental canyon]

i understand that but imo it’s just a weird/lazy move that has so much room for improvement and could’ve been something else

[trim scaffold]

The more important thing to do is get a hold on his habits.
As a rule of thumb
Uncharged Nair isn't very scary (low range, low hitstun, okay reward).
9 times out of 10 and especially after the recent patch. A lot of Steven players will charge & wait for your to be in range before releasing the move
But you can you some burst tool like a dodge cancel side attack, or a projectile to do one of two things.

1. Hit him before he releases
   If you can catch the Steve before he can react then he'll just get smacked
2. Force him to whiff
   Nair destorys projectiles but he's still in recovery so if your projectile is a small amount of lag then you can punish him for trying to get rid of it.

[trim scaffold]

Steven Bomb is a lot of things, but I fail to see how lazy is one of them given all use cases it has, and how much it stands out compared to most projectiles in fighting games.

The lazy route would just be giving him another thing to throw at people that does a bit of damage.

Programming a hadoken is way easier then programming a timed explosive that can be stuck on other players, and has a hitbox that changes depending on your locations relative to itself.

[mental canyon]

i meant lazy in the sense that they couldn’t think of any other move to give him so they gave him that

[trim scaffold]

:/

[mental canyon]

the move itself obviously is unique as a projectile

[trim scaffold]

I'm at a lost for words.
I'm not sure what part of this feels like a first draft type attack in any capacity, and it synergizes well with most his kit (It helps protect your watermelons especially), while covering for some weaknesses (Being one of his few long ranged projectiles, and being able to take stocks), and adding a lot of support value (The bubble debuff, and team sticking).

[mental canyon]

either way imma make an update to that video eventually now that i have the opinions of others

[mental canyon]

like i said, i feel they could’ve done something else for that attack. The video was made before multiversus returned so all i could’ve looked at it from was a reference point

i literally did not take into consideration how it played with his kit as

1. at that point, it had been way too long since i had steven or anyone in the game at all
2. Like i said, the move itself is fine. When I said lazy, I meant it purely as they didn’t know what other moves to give him from the show so they gave him this

[raven spindle]

If it was a spiky ball instead of geometric shapes would that make you feel better?

At the VERY least you can tie it to when he's shooting hexagons at Jasper in SUFuture, he's just doing it in all directions instead of straight ahead
Because I'm sure "spiky bubble" looked a bit uninspired next to "shield bubble" and his "spiky bubble fist" jab and neutral attack

[peak linden]

at first after the nerfs i thought steven was C tier but after playing him for a couple of days i still think he’s at least top of A

[hardy geyser]

He feels sluggish and like crap now

[peak linden]

i know stuff like his nair feels way worse now but after finding out his jab 1 combos into nair i’ve been getting easy 30% - 40% combos

and the kill confirms are just amazing

#combos message

and his jab 1 combos into his punch so he gets a free rose stack

[trim scaffold]

Gonna be honest Rose isn't that great a debuff, having a jab confirm into aerials is nice.

It's more like the other jabs that way.

[peak linden]

for me personally i’ve been able to time rose bomb explosion with the end of the bubble

and it mostly kills but if it doesn’t i can combo it into up air

[river bay]

Damn he's killing Jason starting at 100 damn

[trim scaffold]

Hot Take: That's the reason why I think rose is better in singles then doubles.

Cause when people figure that out with all Steven's vertical kill moves get to shine, and you can die as early as 50 in the right situation.

The utility in double is strong but ever since they added the ability for partners to break them out.
It's way less reliable of a win condition.

[peak linden]

i actually never knew that you couls pop it now

probably since i only play singles but still

actually i was playing a stipe once and he would always escape the rose bubble

i thought it was a bug but it’s definitely his dynamite

[slate carbon]

you could always pop it its just nobody played him in beta so nobody knew

[trim scaffold]

....

How did I miss that?

[peak linden]

yeah i never knew that

[hardy geyser]

Yea just tried Steven out again

He feels like crap

I don’t understand how yall are playing him

[trim scaffold]

I didn't even know it was in the beta.

[trim scaffold]

Sair

And neutral-b will never not be cracked.

[peak linden]

it’s so fun doing loops on jason’s

[trim scaffold]

Post

I need to loop some Jasons pronto.

I can't beat em in the ditto.

[peak linden]

it’s in the clip i sent

[trim scaffold]

We share the same brain cell.

[peak linden]

basically

jab 1

instant nair

dair

and jab 1 again

count our it

continue it

[trim scaffold]

Hoping this one doesn't get patched. 🙏

Imma try it on IG.

[peak linden]

yeah the only thing about it is you have to follow di a lot

and also occasionally dash cancel jab to catch them

i’ll send you a clip rq

@trim scaffold u want me to jsut show u in a custom or something

[trim scaffold]

I can't get on atm.

[peak linden]

Alr i’ll just send a clip

[nova venture]

Love to see people finally lab steven

respect it

[nova venture]

Am i the only one who is annoyed by how Steven here is a Kid?

im so used to Teenager Steven

[slate carbon]

a LOT of stevens wish it was teen steven

[rapid salmon]

DI away kills most of these

[peak linden]

on di away i do dash cancel upair

[rapid salmon]

Nah its his most iconic look. If anything, Future Steven should be his own character

[peak linden]

or fair

[rapid salmon]

Gotcha

Imma try that out once I can

Im so sad that combo'ing with bubble is dead now

[peak linden]

when rose bubble pops?

[rapid salmon]

Nah, using Steven's dodge shield to extend combos

[peak linden]

ohhh i don’t think i’ve seen anyone do that

[rapid salmon]

I gotchu hold on

https://x.com/TheBlukuMasta/status/1563877176126087171?t=o9C8PzcyuXaq3tDyAOv-aA&s=19

https://x.com/TheBlukuMasta/status/1563876740631601155?t=nfSVwG-Sm1ikQUZV_o7Cbg&s=19

[peak linden]

wait that’s sick

it looks super situational so i don’t know why the devs took it out..

[rapid salmon]

Yeah it was situational but rewarded awareness ig. The shield may still have a hitbox to bounce off of, but it's too slow to combo into solo

[trim scaffold]

He was there for single film & a season of an epilogue.
How did you manage that. 💀

I do prefer 16 yr old Steven, but I can move past it considering S2-3 were the peak of this franchise.

It's an easy alt costume down the line.

Black Shirt & Jacket and boom.

[trim scaffold]

Future Steven being the next Steven Universe character might just be the funniest character addition.

[stable pendant]

Whats stevens actual strengths compared to other characters

[slate carbon]

tbh after they pretty much removed his bubble shield just play WW, hes pretty good against projectile characters ig

[stable pendant]

WW feels a little too good I dont like that shes just op

[slate carbon]

the thing is everything steven can do, WW can do better
prior he at least had on demand armor but now its so delayed you need future vision to use it

[stable pendant]

oh i see but I just prefer to use steven because I like how he plays

I like using that tether thing and no other character has a move like that

[covert osprey]

Neutral aerial

Big hitbox, good combo starter and it spikes

[nova venture]

thoughts on making shield instant again but removing the parry option on steven?

[red sandal]

i would rather keep parry and remove shield
or just make it 2 different buttons

[slate carbon]

id rather the opposite i can count on my hand the number of parries ive seen in online matches

[nova venture]

just gonna say

Steven is still good

Shield feels ass

but hes still good

at doesnt need any buffs

[odd flare]

Making the game more like Rivals 1 would be based

[granite beacon]

i second this, prob not gonna happen but i would prefer it tbh

https://outplayed.tv/media/04LLGv also anyone got an answer as to why this dair missed?

[slate carbon]

Steven Universe

[granite beacon]

Steven Universe indeed

[nova venture]

Could anybody invite me to the Steven Main discord server? would appreciate it 🙂

[green raven]

Your name is wrong because I am the worst player

[stoic raft]

Honestly Same, I’d Like To Learn How To Play Steven Better.

[raven spindle]

Dude don't you ask like every 3 days and it's always still busted

[nova venture]

💀

That sucks i guess

This game is pretty new and somehow no one talks about new Tech, combos or Setup here

This channel here is pretty dead and the discord serve4 too

[serene pier]

Steven’s not a popular character

[trim scaffold]

I didn't actually see when you edited this, and I think it's fair to say Jake's in a pretty awful spot right now.
I'd say it's ill-advised to play him in his current state. I wouldn't say it's undoable or unviable just more challenging then it needs to be.
Unless you're in 1s then I got nothing.🤷‍♀️

I just don't consider that the primary meta so I wouldn't say Jake being unviable there is worth flagging.

Like if you play DBFZ with no assists, Smash Ultimate with stamina mode, or MK9 with tag characters then a lot of characters become pretty shifted in placement but since that isn't the focus of the game's design.

I don't tend to use those at hit pieces against their balance despite all of the games allowing you to do that.

If that makes any sense.

[stoic raft]

Alright, I Disagree A Bit But I Get Where Your Coming From. I Feel Like The Game Has Shifted A Bit More To A 1v1 Direction Although Since It Seems Like The New Characters Don’t Really Have A lot If Any Way To Support Their Teammates In 2v2’s But I Think Your Point Is Valid. (Also I Didn’t Mean Anything Antagonistic By Editing My Comment, I Just Forgot To Mention An Example For A Character.)

[trim scaffold]

Gotta say you're spittin.
1s nowdays feel much better then beta, and Jason's support value barring the obvious combo extension is honestly kinda pathetic (a little bit of grey health yay)

[stoic raft]

Thank You, I Don’t Mean To Invalidate Your Point Though, I Just Think The Game Focuses On 2v2’s And 1v1’s Now. Where In 1’s It’s Balanced Worse And 2’s Is Balanced Better.

[serene pier]

Honestly if they add more support methods that would be nice

Even as just a signature perk

Like IDK Jason’s grey health ability gives extra with a teammate

[stoic raft]

I Can’t Lie, I’ve Only Seen Jason Use Grey Health Once.

[serene pier]

Trust me, its not good

One attack and its gone

It can be useful somewhat but I mean like usually there isn’t enough time to set it up imo

[slate carbon]

if it didnt instantly go away with armor break moves itd be good

[trim scaffold]

So that's why people think he's bottom 3.

[red sandal]

has anybody since the nerf been able to utilize shield or parry

cuz ive just completely taken them out my playstyle

too much risk too little reward

[hoary prairie]

@red sandal ggwp

[red sandal]

gg but wow i hate toms up attack

[stable pendant]

Whats stevens best KO moves

I just had an agent smith get to 200 because I just couldnt land any killing attacks on him

[red sandal]

uair and fair
nair also but only when close or high %

[raven spindle]

Nair also at ledge, get the angle right and it launches downward. If you come from Smash and like punishing low recovers, this will feel really nice to hit

That being said this IS a platform fighter, and not every ko needs to be a hard swing upwards or sideways. See what your kit can do for you. Shield placement and such. Steven has insane control over the stage. Being able to balance dodge meter to approach and evade will make you better with the whole roster as well. And remember, this is a fighting game. At some point your not just playing your character, you're reading your opponent too

[sick cypress]

This one is huge, having a chargeable move that sends down like Steven or Arya is an insanely good tool to have

[raven spindle]

Factual

[trim scaffold]

Neutral-b kills off the top kind of well.

[light night]

is bounce bubble still viable after the 3 hit change? or should i use 5%

[trim scaffold]

My favorite thing to do is a suicide mission where run up pop it wait about 1-2 seconds depending on the distance, and then dodge jump into them.
It's honestly a bit of a knowledge check but fun.

[trim scaffold]

It's nerfed but defo viable.

None of his sig perks often make that much of a difference compared to other characters so feel free to mess around.

[light night]

idk i rarely bump people into my shield, might switch to 5%

[trim scaffold]

Fair choice.

[trim scaffold]

Little tip
Anything can spike with a well placed shield.

[sick cypress]

This is also a great one

[stable pendant]

Who r stevens hardest matchups 1v1

[light night]

dead channel

[sly sedge]

how do i counter his egg baby thing bro

i attack it and it doesnt do anything

like when its growing i mean

[slate carbon]

kick it off stage and into the blast zone and it insta dies

or just wait for it to spawn fully then kill it

[sly sedge]

wdym kick it

just hit it off?

[slate carbon]

yes

[sly sedge]

ah okay thanks i just usually try to deal damage to it

[slate carbon]

hitting it so it spawns in the blast zone kills it instantly

you cant damage it until it fully spawns

[sly sedge]

okay thank you

[stable pendant]

EGG BABY

[sly sedge]

What else is it bro

[prisma willow]

It's a watermelon

[stable pendant]

I think we should call it egg baby now

[covert osprey]

Calling watermelon Steven egg baby is the funniest thing I've ever heard

[raven spindle]

Get rid of egg baby and give Steven a gun

Maybe that'll balance out the nerfs 💀

And before anyone says "Steven wouldn't use a gun"
He assassinated Mayor Dewey with a T Shirt cannon

[slate carbon]

nah the t shirt cannon is gonna be for Greg

[raven spindle]

So like, since the game is team based, when can we have it to where when two SU characters play together they can fuse and one person just doesn't have to play anymore

BC doesn't Iron Giant let someone hop in and pilot him? Or am I crazy

[slate carbon]

When IG rages his teammate can hop in and gets like a reticle to shoot an additional beam thing

[raven spindle]

See

Give us SunStone

Tbfh tho I'm still fully for Opal

[slate carbon]

i think something like that was planned since the beta had a Jake Suit model

[raven spindle]

On a real note though, it would take the developers to actually care Abt Steven Universe in the slightest for us to see anything like it

[covert osprey]

IG does during his rage mode

[stable pendant]

no right

[river bay]

I've gotten used to the changes for Steven. He's definitely not doing as hot as we was before but he still has stuff

[granite beacon]

still wish we could realistically use the bubble shield in a 1s environment but other than that Steven is fine

[ivory raptor]

The bubble shield made Steven impossible to kill

Any time Steven had a bat bomb attached he'd just jump in the air and hold the shield for 5 minutes straight

Since most characters kill by ladders, if you couldn't true combo Steven all the way up he'd just sit there in his bubble

[raven spindle]

Yeah I was playing with my friend last night and as long as you can utilize the rest of Stevens kit effectively he's fine fr

[sick cypress]

Damn Zypten working overtime tonight

[ivory raptor]

"Shaggy shouldn't be nerfed because he should kill at 2%"
-You, probably

[sick cypress]

put it on a tshirt

[trim scaffold]

If you wanna see it in 1s do a directional dodge and hold the button then fast fall.
It's useful getting lower to the ground like during offstage situations.

Still punishable however so don't abuse it.

[trim scaffold]

There are really 0 supes players nowadays.

Insane.

[covert osprey]

Zypten is a top hater fr

[sick cypress]

real bro treats it like a full time job

[ivory raptor]

It is
I'm paid $50 an hour to hate

[ivory raptor]

What does Superman have to do with this

[sick cypress]

and what a good worker you are

gold star for sure

for being a good noodle

[rapid salmon]

Yall think Zypten is employed?

[sick cypress]

do you mean outside of arguing for fun in the multiversus server?

Because outside of that absolutely not bro is definitely like a high school freshman who's still learning how to have social interactions

[light night]

dunked on

[covert osprey]

Bro probably gets scared to ask for a straw at McDonald's

[wet fulcrum]

what are the best steven perks

[trim scaffold]

He's got 2 aerial specials that kinda don't care about bubble.

[ivory raptor]

Nobody plays Superman

[covert osprey]

False

[stable pendant]

How do you do the up shield clap move to get early ringouts

consistently

[ivory raptor]

Up b > uair

[stable pendant]

Idk what this means 🥲

[ivory raptor]

Up special into up air

[stable pendant]

is there any other special technique?

Like percentage of damage or like size of character

[ivory raptor]

That usually affects things
Probably depends on DI too, you might have to jump or even dodge jump to catch them with the uair

[sick cypress]

It’s never true unfortunately :(

[slate stratus]

why is Steven so ugly in this art style

[slate carbon]

he has a design thats very much made for 2d animation, PFG could not care less about him

[slate stratus]

True. I don't think his pig-like nose gives him any favours. At least Morty looks great!

[ivory raptor]

Steven is naturally ugly and fat

[slate stratus]

Very true very true

[stoic raft]

Facts Though, His Design Never Vibed With Me, I Like A lot Of The Other Designs In The Show Tho (From What I Remember.)

[iron remnant]

What's a good string for killing jerry

[slate carbon]

Just full charge nair

[peak linden]

sair with pugilist and snowball effect one shots jerry

[indigo walrus]

"Green Thumb" giant watermelon Is kinda fun ngl

[tribal basalt]

watermelon steven more annoying than the actual steven

[sick cypress]

Watermelon Steven is my goat

[azure latch]

That Steven skin looks gas

[pine rain]

pink steven looks nice!

thats going to be my new skin

but why dont we have real pink steven?

from season 5

when he gets split into 2

that skin would take 5 seconds to make lmfao

[river bay]

Well there's a difference between "Pink" Steven and the Pink/Gem Steven

[pine rain]

btw did anyone see the blue diamond animation?

i NEED IT

[river bay]

I did

[trim scaffold]

True

but they gotta get people to pay for these.

[river bay]

Well I feel like they would give him a different intro, victory and losing animations as well as a different vocal performance

[river bay]

But I'm gonna pop off this season

[iron remnant]

steven's pretty solid in ffa

lots of kill thieving

[slate carbon]

Steven Universe

General 
    * Fixed an issue where air neutral dodges were not consuming air evades 
    * Fixed an issue where certain animations had misaligned hurtboxes 
Ground Dash Attack 
    + First hit more reliably combos into second hit 
    + Second hit now comes out faster after first hit

[light night]

W

[river bay]

I mean at least Dash Attack's more reliable

[vague hollow]

We take any W we can get. 😎

[river bay]

And with how strong his dash attack is it might kill now

[trim scaffold]

I haven't read them yet but who's betting we lost the Jab into nair loop

[slate carbon]

nah we got buffed actually

dash attack is more consistent

[trim scaffold]

Oh

Neat.

I actually liked Dash Attack alr lowkey.

Beat roll away, kills, even had combo combos into it.

[light night]

i don't know how many times ive hit the first of dash attack just for them to slide out of it

especially in 2s

[raven spindle]

Steven trying to Dash attack out of the Nerf'd to spit category

[azure latch]

I miss old Steven

[azure latch]

Steven sucks

[nova venture]

nah

[quasi thorn]

God it'd be so much more useful if the Watermelon Steven just did jab combos instead of trying to fully-charge neutral attacks.

[nova venture]

Could someone explain to me how/when to use Aeriel Down b?

[slate carbon]

when you get launched high up its a good way to reenter the stage, but be careful bc the hitbox isnt super big and gets beaten out by a lot of up airs

its also good as a combo starter by surfing the stage

[nova venture]

pretty sure that it doesnt lead to true combos

the surfing

[slate carbon]

idk anything about combos in this game tbh

[granite beacon]

Ground surf is one of his best combo starters besides nair

Pops them up and leads to down air nairs

Later percents ground surf confirms into up air it’s integral to his game

[nova venture]

thanks

[rapid salmon]

Yo

Is ranked always FT1??

Or when you get a higher rank is it a full set

[nova venture]

its a bug

its normally bo3

[rapid salmon]

How does that even happen 😭

[nova venture]

Is the Steven universe Discord still broken? xd

i didnt asked for over 2 weeks ^^

[vague hollow]

Someone tried to fix it today, said they might know what's wrong. Though when they took a look, all they said was "what the devil did that guy do to this server?"

So may still be a while

[mild hearth]

how to pklay this character

[granite beacon]

spam nair, shield surf and forward air, shield surf leads to stuff like this https://outplayed.tv/media/04QRjG

[mild hearth]

how did you float in the air like that

[river bay]

Holding Jump

[red sandal]

any tips against arya having a lot of trouble with her

[slate carbon]

that was me, ik the issue i was just baffled

and how to fix it

but only the server owner can

[trim scaffold]

Nice combo.

Sorry that you had to play Treefort tho.

[covert osprey]

Hey what's the best perk set for Steven

[velvet pier]

I would say 5% tbh

[covert osprey]

And the others?

[velvet pier]

I run snowball effect speed perk you can run last stand but Steven doesn’t normally live past 100 and pugilist

[covert osprey]

Alright thanks

[velvet pier]

Ofc good luck with ur grind

[trim scaffold]

Do Press The Advantage v Iron Giant if you wanna kill him before 200%.

[velvet pier]

I don’t use that perk and I’m able to kill him around 150-160

[trim scaffold]

That's 50% he spends having last stand, and the better the IG the more you wanna shrink that as much as possible.

When accounting for his punish game at even the simplest of strings & his combo breaker being a kill move cause this game was designed.

Despite the weakened stacks nerf you're playing a bit of a dangerous game.

Edge guarding/Whiff Punishing becomes a liability, while everything he does only hits harder which means death at 70-80 turns into death 10-20% earlier, and anyone trying to ladder that fellow officially becomes a high-risk population

I should've mentioned that 200% was a hyperbole tho.
Sorry for the miscommunication.

[quasi thorn]

Did they update Steven's model recently? I feel like he looks the slightest bit better.

I noticed he actually has his gem now too.

[jaunty orbit]

Best perks for my boi Steven

[velvet pier]

Has anyone gotten master with Steven

[velvet pier]

5% snowball effect last stand or speed assist pugilist

[velvet pier]

I’m only at diamond and I’m trynna see how bad was the grind to master

[indigo walrus]

For being a "Tank" steven Is pretty light tbh

[velvet pier]

He constantly dies at 100

That’s why last stand kinda depends

[slate carbon]

he used to be support but got moved when they nuked the support class tag
hes only really a tank in the sense that he has on demand armor and can consistently block out zoners

[velvet pier]

Well on demand armor is kinda debatable

[indigo walrus]

Haven't really played much Steven post-nerf but isn't bubble kinda mid now?

[slate carbon]

3-5 business days armor

[velvet pier]

Honestly I’ve been trying to grind ranked with Steven

It’s just very hard

I’ve even beaten one of the tops Steven’s currently so ik it’s not me

[slate carbon]

only really useable in 2s, or as a get back to ground option if they mess up the air juggle and thats if you do the side dodge > bubble so you can fast fall

[velvet pier]

I actually like that Steven has a parry more than instant bubble

[slate carbon]

i refuse to parry on the basis that im not good at it

[velvet pier]

I’ve tried to 1v1 people to get better at it but people hate playing Steven

I’ve only mainly been able to get it on people that go for up airs

[jaunty orbit]

Parry is a garbage tech

[indigo walrus]

I know 5% is almost always better, but giant watermelon Steven Is such a mood i refuse to switch It up

[jaunty orbit]

I don’t even go for it

[velvet pier]

I think it’s pretty good

Depending on the situation

[jaunty orbit]

Not worth the risk

[slate carbon]

i prefer bounce bubble even tho im bad at using my shields to my own advantage

[velvet pier]

Giant watermelon dies way to early when he gets bigger basically you can breathe in his direction and he dies

So I don’t use it because it makes watermelon Steven useless

[jaunty orbit]

I’m decent with shield I can read where the person will go good chunk of time time

[velvet pier]

If you can get better at learning the time it becomes very useful

[slate carbon]

see i thought that but then i realized him dying early meant you got healing sooner so its kinda a double edged sword

[velvet pier]

I started trying to make a montage of Steven parry into up tilt

[velvet pier]

The healing isn’t much tbh and watermelon Steven being alive is very useful

He can tank projectiles attacks

He can make the gem beam better

[indigo walrus]

I have like 400 games on Steven and just realized a couple days ago side B gives armor on 2s

[slate carbon]

in my experience he watches me get smacked around and messes up neutral special

[slate carbon]

it also gives armor to Watermelon it just doesnt show

[velvet pier]

He helps sometimes with me and when he does it’s very helpful or just lets me recover for free

[slate carbon]

its either this or he dies instantly

[velvet pier]

Yeah depending on the character he can be useless

😭

I need to work on my Steven really

[slate carbon]

not even character dependent they just have to be super aggressive and attack you while your setting up melon and send him to doom before hes even born

[velvet pier]

Well this works in some instances but most of the time ur gonna use side special watermelon and neutral special

And most of the time

They don’t really approach

[indigo walrus]

Black Adam clap extending because of the watermelon and deleting me be like:

[slate carbon]

i think i need to be smarter about side special bc i use it to protect me while setting up melon

[jaunty orbit]

Coll damage isn’t good?

Coll damage isn’t good?

[slate carbon]

that move is so annoying bc it literally extends off my shield

[velvet pier]

I use it as either a setup so jab jab down tilt into up tilt works or I use it to stop recovery

Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t

[velvet pier]

Eh not as good as snowball

[jaunty orbit]

Okay can I keep bubble bounce?

[slate carbon]

i played a lot during beta so i gotta get used to using down tilt since it was his worst move then

[velvet pier]

You can if you want too but imo 5% is way better

[slate carbon]

collat is the middle perk itd repace last stand/speed assist

[indigo walrus]

Not really true but jab jab down tilt dash cancel fair kills at ledge sometimes

[velvet pier]

I use it a lot actually I figured out that jab jab down tilt dodge jump into fair works a lot

[velvet pier]

Yeah

[slate carbon]

im just not used to a useable down tilt

lol

[velvet pier]

Ah okay it can be used to stop projectiles too it’s kinda good

[velvet pier]

Oh mb then no

Last stand/speed assist are like the best perks in middle

Last stand is the best tho

[slate carbon]

i prefer sair or nair to do that since both are good approaches and sair reflects

[jaunty orbit]

Who’s the better Steven player?

[slate carbon]

like of all stevens?

[indigo walrus]

Does It beat Shaggy's kick? Ik It beats Jason Rage but no idea bout Shaggy

[slate carbon]

i dont think anything steven has beats shaggy kick

[velvet pier]

Nair has a lot of recovery and easy to punish depending on how far you charge it for fair is good but sometimes takes a little long to come out

[slate carbon]

i def have beta brain then bc i feel like down tilt leaves you way more vulnerable than either sair or nair

[velvet pier]

My main problem with Steven is how inconsistent he is to kill with

[slate carbon]

i also just havent been playing steven at all, ive been getting really into jason

[velvet pier]

Not really because down tilt you don’t really have to charge it to get the full effect and you can easily dodge out of it quickly

[velvet pier]

Oooo okay

[slate carbon]

might come back to bubble boy after this recent patch tho

[velvet pier]

I started playing Steven after the patch

And liked him so far

Ranked kinda made me hate the game tho

[slate carbon]

i refuse to touch ranked, no matter how much the peeps in jason chat say its better casual

[indigo walrus]

Post Patch dash attack Is surprisingly good at killing

[velvet pier]

Oh yeah I know it’s hell for them

[velvet pier]

Very good

And it’s an anti air

[jaunty orbit]

I’m at a 73% wr with Steven

[velvet pier]

I was only at 70% until like gold

Then it was a lot of Aryas and finns

And it’s been down hill since really

[jaunty orbit]

Start playing passive like them

The 2nd samurai bums start trying to play passive and spam side special I just wait them out

Most of the time I’m the one in the lead so

[slate carbon]

the problem is finn is like sonic in smash where he has so much mobility hes really good at camping

[velvet pier]

Nah that’s lame

It’s either aggressive or nothing

And it works sometimes

[slate carbon]

kinda why im worried about Flash getting in, hes just gonna be sonic but somehow worse

[indigo walrus]

Not really digging that much Jack tbh

[velvet pier]

But I stopped grinding ranked

No point in hitting master

Really

Besides flex

[velvet pier]

I don’t think flash is gonna be coming anytime soon

[slate carbon]

yeah but eventually hes getting in, its the Flash

and hes gonna be the camping king bc if theres one thing PFG does well is really annoying and unfun gimmicks

[velvet pier]

I don’t know

Raven and aqua man Before “the flash” is insane

[slate carbon]

GO! Raven at that

[velvet pier]

And it seems like they are adding robin before him too

😭

[covert osprey]

I think the flash would be too problematic. His speed would cause a lot of problems. Like Sonic in smash.

[slate carbon]

i bet he wouldve been sooner if that flash movie a while ago was any good lol

[velvet pier]

This may or may not be about morty

[velvet pier]

Yeah so I’m glad he won’t be added

[slate carbon]

its more like most rifts and stages that arent just battlefield

[indigo walrus]

Killing finns with neutral special mid ladder combo is like peak Steven moment

[velvet pier]

Yeah maybe they love promotional movies

I hope they don’t touch Steven any more

I don’t care about the community complaints abt nair

I think he’s fine

Perfect where he’s at

[slate carbon]

i hope they soft revert the bubble changes tho

so he actually can use it in ones

[velvet pier]

But I like the parry

It’s so fun

[slate carbon]

yeah but i want a passive again

[velvet pier]

His passive should be he takes 5% less damage

And that’s it

[slate carbon]

nah, it should be more interesting than that

like armor he gets lasts longer

and then make like downtilt and neutral attack armored

he is a tank now

[velvet pier]

Idk about giving Steven more armor

People would complain

Beg for nerfs

I think that he should have a good passive tho

[slate carbon]

theyd complain anyway bc hes steven universe

[velvet pier]

But I like how Steven is currently

[indigo walrus]

I dont really mind the lack of armor, maybe just making him a bit heavier Is fine

[velvet pier]

“Steven is so annoying” says all of the community

“You suck you play Steven universe”

[slate carbon]

and lily orchard is a horrible person

[velvet pier]

“Steven universe takes no skill”

[slate carbon]

"then why dont you play him"

[velvet pier]

“They play him and still lose and complain”

“All ur doing is spamming nair”

“Only pressed the buttons for down special cancel and strings”

[slate carbon]

as they all spam side special, up air, or neutral special depending on the character

[velvet pier]

😭

Like idk why Steven gets so much hate

[slate carbon]

hes steven universe, and lily orchard is a b||irdy||

[velvet pier]

Who’s lily orchard? Am I dumb?

[indigo walrus]

^

[slate carbon]

some girl who made a video called "Steven Universe is garbage and heres why" and then ranted incorrectly and nitpicked the show for 2 hours

it got super popular and now people just believe it blindly

[velvet pier]

Oh

Bruh

That’s insane I’ve never heard about that

[slate carbon]

the show has its problems but its not garbage

its a good show id say

[velvet pier]

Yeah I really loved the show main reason I picked up Steven

But sometimes it’s hard to find people to spar

[slate carbon]

wouldve prefered teen steven over kid steven tho

or PFG to actually care about him

[indigo walrus]

I watched a bit of like the first 2 seasons and the movie

[velvet pier]

I wished they gave him a legendary skin with teen Steven but the hitboxes would be worse

Honestly I like how they went back to back with giving Steven bp skins

Even a banner with him and garnet on the beach but that’s not in the bp

[indigo walrus]

In my dub Steven has the same VA as Ben 10 so that's kind of cool

[jaunty orbit]

How do you beat T&J as Steven

[jaunty orbit]

He’s gonna be aids especially with this game horrible balancing team

[slate carbon]

kill jerry with nair/downtilt then idk

[velvet pier]

Honestly try and bait out Jerry fair one shots

And counter every projectile

With fair

And if you get looped

You lose

Basically

[indigo walrus]

Coach > Tiger > Wedding
Imo

[velvet pier]

Horrendous take

[indigo walrus]

I kinda just dont like his model so the less regular he looks the better

[velvet pier]

The order is actually pink diamond Steven> wedding Steven > coach Steven> tiger millionaire

[indigo walrus]

I apologize to the 4 Steven universe fans but i just cannot take the pink diamond skin seriously

[velvet pier]

You just don’t understand the lore

It’s a peak skin

Trust

[jaunty orbit]

Pink diamond Steven is his best skin

Im contemplating about buying the BP for it

[velvet pier]

Fr

[velvet pier]

It’s worth

[jaunty orbit]

Ik

But I also heard PPG is coming

And I like them way more than SU

Kinda wanna save my glem for their skins

Until they release ima try to go for top 100 Steven

[velvet pier]

I have 10k fc saved

Or 8k rn

And 2k gleamium for skins

But

[jaunty orbit]

I have 9K FC saved

And like 1.5K glem