Steven Universe

[slate carbon]

well if you wanna get technical they dont have to make the game, or update it

[odd crow]

Who dosent wanna be a successful game every online game now is acting like it’s Fortnite

[covert osprey]

I play on Xbox and my performance is fine except for the occasional crash at the shaft of the match. Balancing could use some work but isn't unplayable. If you click dodge and it doesn't actually dodge then your internet has to be the worst internet known to man or you're bad and your exaggerating

[ivory raptor]

You can be successful while being original

The beta was genuinely fun

I enjoyed the beta

[odd crow]

We know I played the beta

[ivory raptor]

It failed due to poor servers and a lack of content

[odd crow]

But that dosent mean we should stop the game from evolving

[ivory raptor]

They could've kept the exact same model and just ran with it

It would've worked

[odd crow]

So ur telling me u expected same ui when the game rereleased same gameplay and everything

For a full game

Be serious please

I’d be genuinely pissed of if they didn’t change anything yet they took a whole year for the game to release

[ivory raptor]

They could've done this wild thing called add more content

Instead of 3 characters we could've seen 7 or 8

Instead of 2 maps we could have seen 5 or 6

[odd crow]

Bro they are keeping characters locked because every 2 weeks they are gonna add a new character

So the promise is not broken

We have samurai jack powerpuff girls

And other that I don’t remember names

[ivory raptor]

Oh man that model failed hard too

With each patch the balancing got worse

The devs didnt have time to do anything in 2 weeks

[odd crow]

That’s why we didn’t get these many characters they weren’t prepared

Now they are

[ivory raptor]

No the reason we didnt get anything was because they spent the whole year removing the charm the beta had and WB made sure the game became another soulless piece of corporate slop designed to siphon you of all your money

[odd crow]

That’s why we stay f2p around these parts

[odd crow]

Also I’ve seen this way to much

Just don’t give them ur money

Stay f2p

[ivory raptor]

The games got the worst progression imaginable to make you feel like you need to spend money to get anything

[odd crow]

Just don’t

Resist the urge

Just make progress

[slate carbon]

the issue is a lot of people are impatient

or dont have time to grind

[ivory raptor]

38 hours for 1 character 🗣️

[odd crow]

Listen man

We cant make everyone happy

That’s just the way it is

[slate carbon]

its still scummy they're trying to pray on impatience in the first place

[odd crow]

I didn’t say it wasent

Also battle pass was given for free events have lot of fighter points well the ones I played

[slate carbon]

tbf they (seemingly) dont intend on praying on FOMO but considering the monetization they probably went back on that

[odd crow]

The only problem for me

There’s too much currencies

That’s it

The game is fine for me

It hasent given me any problems

Apart from that

[slate carbon]

im a bit upset that they still continue to just not care about steven

or his show's representation

[ivory raptor]

They should try making the casuals happy, people who go outside will never have more than 2 or 3 characters

Anyone who didnt play the beta is just screwed

Its impossible to get characters without paying

[odd crow]

I’m a casual

I’m happy

[odd crow]

Missions character levels

[ivory raptor]

Then ig you're fine with not getting to experience all the content the game has to offer

[odd crow]

Battle pass free rewards

[odd crow]

I’m experiencing almost all of the content

I only need 6 more fighters

This week bought Tom and Jerry and joker

I got ya with that one

I’ve had a good experience with this game

[odd crow]

A future skin would be cool

[slate carbon]

its not just that

in every promo hes in he has something wrong with his mouth or just looks really weird in general
all his skins have different skin tones and some sort of issue with the mouth
he felt awful in the beta
didnt even bother to get someone who sounded even slightly like Zach Callison like they did for Lebron, the Gremlins, etc.
Garnet's whole personality is "I sang Stronger than You"
and Steven's is "I'm a little kid"

[odd crow]

Also there are a lot of inconsistencies in each costume Steven wears

[odd crow]

Yea they didn’t care for representation

I’m just impressed that he was in the beta roster at all

[slate carbon]

garnet's most recent skin has her shoe model with painted on toes when they already have a garnet model with feet

[odd crow]

They did pretty good research to every character except Steven and garnet

[odd crow]

WHAT

Which skin is it again

Why would they paint the feet on the shoes

[slate carbon]

they just painted on toe lines

[odd crow]

.

[slate carbon]

her beach party skin has painted on toes when her first fusion skin has at least 1 fully modeled foot

[odd crow]

Ohhh I see it

[slate carbon]

also theres a SU profile icon that is steven's gem and its name spoils literally the biggest plot twist in the show

[odd crow]

Eh it’s been a while since it finished

I think it’s fine now

[slate carbon]

so?? it shouldnt be spoiled anyway

it has litearlly no reason to be named the way it is

they're intentionally spoiling it

prob bc they learned about it and didnt bother to look up if its a spoiler or not

[odd crow]

Be fr tho if u were a new player would u know who it was

That hasent watched the show

[slate carbon]

if someone plays MVS and decides to watch SU bc of it and sees that icon they have the biggest twist in the show spoiled for them

[odd crow]

They just straight up didnt research them enough

At this point why add Steven

[slate carbon]

bc they dont care

[odd crow]

And garnet

Why not any other cn character since u don’t care enough

[slate carbon]

they didnt grow up with SU or look back on it fondly

[odd crow]

At this point put gumball

[slate carbon]

WB probably wanted it

[odd crow]

Wait that would be epic

[odd crow]

Ya think so

[slate carbon]

I want gumball to be a trapper mage who summons his friends to be his attacks

and for him to be 2d like Mr. Game and Watch

[odd crow]

Gumball and Darwin against rick Sanchez and iron giant

I love Steven barrier so much

He can just straight up try parry without consequences

[hardy geyser]

The UI is worse than the one in the beta

Can you ppl stop trying to defend a garbage studio?

It’s like ur coping for this game to be good

Which it clearly isn’t

It’s losing players quickly on the daily

Its like we aren’t even playing a beta

We’re in an alpha

[slate carbon]

kinda funny how they got 2 second chances and messed both up

[hardy geyser]

Exactly

I get WB are trash

But let’s stop acting like PFG are saints

In the long run PFG was the wrong studio it pick up this game

I’ve never seen a fighting game more unbalanced in my life

The fact that even BRAWLHALLA has better balancing and server stability speaks volumes of how unqualified PFG are

And I’m talking about brawlhalla before they joined Ubisoft

[hardy geyser]

Plus this game community managers sucks balls

All they do is stream

[odd crow]

I’m not saying pfg

Are saints

I like this game

[hardy geyser]

You like the potential

[odd crow]

Nu uh

I like the game the way it is

Because I don’t let microtransaction bother me

[hardy geyser]

You like how they don’t give out any fighter currency?

[odd crow]

I don’t spend money on games

[hardy geyser]

And keep spamming perk currency like anyone cares?

No ranked?

Trash UI

[odd crow]

I like how I got fighter currency this week and got 2 character

[hardy geyser]

FOMO?

[odd crow]

Almost completed my whole fighter list

[hardy geyser]

Fighter currency

Shouldn’t take this long to get

At all

Newest event is a complete waste of time

No one cares about perk currency

I get not handing out prestige but FIGHTER?

[odd crow]

I mean it’s not like ur doing a mission ur just playing the game

[hardy geyser]

Cmon man

[odd crow]

Idk man

I’m fine

Idk what’s ur problem with the game

But I like it

[hardy geyser]

Scroll up

And you’ll see

My problems with this game

Again it just sounds like coping

Must be 15

[odd crow]

Wow

Guessing age just because of an opinion

Really mature

Why can’t I like this game and why do u care bro 😭

[slate carbon]

i have trouble sometimes liking this game when every character feels annoying as hell and every map gimmick is also super annoying

[odd crow]

Idk man i just play casually when I can

I have fun

[hardy geyser]

Townsville

It’s getting to the point

I don’t even play it

I just SD

Dexters is annoying too but it more doable

[hardy geyser]

Every character does feel annoying

It’s the stupid hitboxes

[odd crow]

At this point why even play the game

[hardy geyser]

A lot of ish that hits shouldn’t be hitting

[hardy geyser]

Because of the potential

I can like something and still complain about it

This is why I said ur 15

[odd crow]

That dosent mean anything u hate ui gameplay characters and everything

[hardy geyser]

I can complain

And still like the game

Think please

[odd crow]

Well I can like the game

:]

[dark lintel]

which one

there like 2

[odd crow]

Too bad for u if u can’t enjoy a game anymore

[hardy geyser]

Both

[dark lintel]

uh

i dont know the 1v1 stage is pretty okay

the one with the walking camera not much

[hardy geyser]

I said it doable

It’s better than Townsville

Idk who thought that map was fun to play it

[dark lintel]

townsville only problem is the mojo

if they could turn it off it might be better

[hardy geyser]

Yea

[slate carbon]

mojo kills that map its fine otherwise, if a little big at the start

[hardy geyser]

I feel like ppl die on that map easier

The up airs on the map kills early

[solemn dragon]

buff steven

[timid mango]

good one buddy

[split laurel]

steven already one of the strongest

low skill gap and easy to use

[silk sail]

Shoutout to the random stevens in my 2’s games -

[fierce path]

💕 I love this character. Thanks PFG

[timid mango]

They should just get voice clips from the show at this point

his only interaction is batman

[slate carbon]

he has 1 line with WW

[timid mango]

still

but i highly doubt we are gonna get zach callison back

[covert osprey]

Is that the voice actor for Steven? If it is how come?

[pine rain]

yea he voiced steven

hes taking a breaking from voice acting from what i heard

so hes not taking any roles

so they had to get someone else to do steven

[covert osprey]

Oh, damn

[covert osprey]

Banana Gaurd is surely Steven's worst match up right

Better range

He breaks the side special shield with one side special of his own

And Steven can't even use the shield while getting juggled because Banana Gaurd's up air and up special are multihit

[odd crow]

With banana guard I usually wait him for his side special then attack

[covert osprey]

Kinda sucks that the counterplay is just not get hit by side b. You can dodge it 8 times in a row but it's that 9th time where they finally hit that matters

[haughty forge]

he's been taking a break for a while

[odd crow]

Fr

[haughty forge]

hope he's doing okay now

[timid mango]

Yeah no one knows were he is at or doing since all his social media is private or not active

[granite beacon]

https://outplayed.tv/media/1KlD80 "absolutely disgusting"

[dark lintel]

bro just went flying lmao

[mild pelican]

Just started playing Steven again. What are his best perks?

[haughty forge]

Bubble bounce for his signature

Collateral is pretty good

Not sure about the rest though ejejdhduahdsj

[quartz trail]

any (ex) garnet mains living here?

[slate carbon]

Bounce bubble, that's flammable, collateral damage, pugilist is my build but the armor pause perk is pretty good

[night bolt]

Defintely feels like steven got really screwed this last update

had 98% win ratio before this and went extremely low, everyone plays meta of ww and joker, and nothing connects with steven anymore OR other moves have priority, stevens bubble was more viable in beta, now it breaks once and its unusable almost the whole game or until you die.

[trim scaffold]

Doubt

Steven gets practically stone walled by armor.

Without perks his only Armor break is ground only, doesn't hit too far away from him, nor reliably kill or combo.

And his only multihits are I guess jab & dash attack with DA having a huge gap between the 2 hits so that's not even reliable.

I'd rather fight a Banana than a Superman or Wonder Woman for those reasons.

[olive spoke]

harley is my favorite steven mu rn

[granite beacon]

made a seperate perk selection with armor crush JUST for wonder woman so i can just charge nair on them, lot of them still try to challenge it still lol

[topaz saffron]

What does mu mean? Is it matchup

[haughty forge]

Yes

[red sandal]

dude the stamina system is the biggest downgrade ever

i get that dodging was an issue in the beta but they fix it by making it so you cant dodge half the game

[red sandal]

and to make it worse jump dodging removes half your stamina

[chrome coral]

best perks ?

[red sandal]

bounce bubble thats flammable collateral damage and pugilist

[chrome coral]

ty

[ancient zodiac]

are any of Stevens moves considered projectiles

[raven spindle]

Nair and side special I know for sure

[raven spindle]

^

And nair is insanely good, if you're asking about that's Flammable, yes run it especially in 1v1s bc you need as much extra damage as you can squeeze out fr

[ancient zodiac]

alr lemme check this out

nair is the spherical shield thingy right

[raven spindle]

Yea the one that like, explodes around him

[ancient zodiac]

that's a projectile? damn

[raven spindle]

Agreed because it strings into a lot

Honestly I select my platform fighter characters based on whether "fast fall nair" is a viable approach 💀

[ancient zodiac]

i'ma be honest I'm just trying to beat the crushing rift black lantern superman and wonder woman

there is no reason for them to be so strong

[raven spindle]

Oh those are some of Stevens worst matchups 🙃

[ancient zodiac]

I also tried with garnet tbh

[raven spindle]

I couldn't speak on garnet like at all even though she's my secondary 💀

Garnet likes parries

[ancient zodiac]

I only really play the SU characters right now lmao

[raven spindle]

Sameeee

Main reason I'm here 😌

[ancient zodiac]

also sameeee

let's see which one I favor
Garnet level 10
steven level 4

[raven spindle]

Ayeee not many SU fans in these parts if you can believe it

[ancient zodiac]

I wish it wasn't true

I found that using 2 Stevens in a 2v2 with the watermelon steven growing thing can be really good sometimes

[raven spindle]

That sounds vile tbfh

[ancient zodiac]

it is but yknow if it gets the win

(I don't know which one I am most of the time)

[raven spindle]

I doubt Steven would either 😌

Lore accurate match

[ancient zodiac]

steven and the stevens

[raven spindle]

Great episode

[ancient zodiac]

honestly

[raven spindle]

Dang I'm only lvl 6 Steven lvl 3 garnet

[ancient zodiac]

I really want the gleamium to get wedding garnet and the battle pass xp for wedding steven

[raven spindle]

Work suckssssss

I got first fusion garnet 😌😌😌

Working on getting to that wedding Steven though

And I would KILL for Steven Tag skins

[ancient zodiac]

sameeee

[ancient zodiac]

oh absolutely, I'm praying for more not-season one outfits

imagine a pink steven

[raven spindle]

SU Future Jasper Fight Steven 😏

Steg

[ancient zodiac]

they could probably get away with a fusion skin or something on garnet or steven

smoky quartz is close to Steven's body shape

[raven spindle]

Seeee

I think Opal is a perfect addition. It gets Pearl AND Amethyst

[ancient zodiac]

ohh yes

[raven spindle]

A new big character like Iron Giant. And someone to fill the Bow Archetype

[ancient zodiac]

I really do wanna see Connie and Lion added as a character together like in the Light trilogy games

[raven spindle]

YES

I said that the other day

[ancient zodiac]

yesss

I may be biased but peridot and/or lapis added would be amazeballs

[raven spindle]

Plot twist they use a MultiVersus season to announce SU Future season 2 👀

I think Jasper or Spinel buuut

I think Peridot could just be a Steven skins fr though

[ancient zodiac]

I'm waiting for multiversus to pull the most bs move and add little larimar to the roster or smth

[ancient zodiac]

oh true

[raven spindle]

ONION FOR MVS

[ancient zodiac]

spit out rats at enemies

[raven spindle]

You eat any food but you don't get any heal from it

[ancient zodiac]

old marty

you don't get any band gigs

[raven spindle]

He sells your song to a burger joint

[ancient zodiac]

become a gleamillionaire

[raven spindle]

His side special is "royalty check"

[ancient zodiac]

Ruby and sapphire as a garnet skin, imagine

[raven spindle]

Centi for MvS but specifically the Centi that wasn't quite healed yet because White Diamond wasn't there

[ancient zodiac]

just totem pole

[raven spindle]

The one that just screams

[ancient zodiac]

ăęăė

[raven spindle]

Amethyst skin for Garnet

[ancient zodiac]

purple puma

[raven spindle]

With Tiger Millionaire

It's perfect 😭

[ancient zodiac]

exactlyyy

with pearl they get some very easy costumes ngl

[raven spindle]

Volleyball, Prince Pearl

[ancient zodiac]

Holo pearl, original and new pearl, rainbow 2.0 is close enough to pearl

[raven spindle]

Technically Connie/ Stevonnie since Pearl trained her their fighting style could be similar enough

Enough

[ancient zodiac]

all of her moves are the banana guard cry unless steven is present in the battlefield

[raven spindle]

Connie uses

A pink ass buster sword

[ancient zodiac]

should be able to play as cat steven smh

[raven spindle]

You gotta think, we're probably gonna get weird stuff like joker shirt Garnet

[ancient zodiac]

"pearl when she was actually rose quartz"

or maybe even "Connie when she was in a bubble under the ocean and about to die"

pearls emote should totally be "would you like a fresh roll"

[raven spindle]

Garnet having a crisis over fused gem shards

An emote where Garnet splits from Pearl lying about Pink Diamond

[ancient zodiac]

we need the newer garnet visor smh

garnet taking a moment to think of just flexibility love and trust:

[raven spindle]

An emote where Steven just cries

An amethyst skin for every character

[ancient zodiac]

I feel like characters like Bismuth and Peridot, were they added, would be about machinery and controlling the entire field

like having a robonoid or something

[raven spindle]

Peri has like, floating trash can lids around her she can throw or ride

[ancient zodiac]

amethyst whip kachow

[raven spindle]

Smokey Quartz

[ancient zodiac]

amethyst or jasper would be so fun to roll around with

and jasper would have the helmet that gives her armor too

[raven spindle]

Headbutts and grapples

[ancient zodiac]

she has a velma speech bubble the size of the sun that just says "RUNT"

it's sleepy time for me now :(

[twilit stone]

Any good combos for this character?

[green raven]

POV: you lost to your 7th black Adam in a row

[mild pelican]

Fr. They're everywhere and they be spamming

[green raven]

My recent win rate is now like 14%

It was 90 something

[covert osprey]

Dair --> nair chains

Sometimes if they get too far away you just finish the chain off with a fair

[twilit stone]

How's that work?

I can barely do it more than once in training without them being able to dodge out of it

[native kettle]

[ivory raptor]

I played Steven briefly for those stupid idiot missions and oh my goodness gracious how does anyone actually enjoy this character? Power tripping maybe...

[covert osprey]

Same reason anyone enjoys any other character, they think they're fun

[ivory raptor]

Fun is a mental illness
I play games to get mad and hate everything

[covert osprey]

:/

[ancient zodiac]

🥵🥵🥵

[woven skiff]

Does Steven’s shield count as terrain?

[slate carbon]

yeah but landing on it doesnt begin his up special cd

[trim scaffold]

Dang that's true.

I wanted Peridot. 😦

[raven spindle]

I think Peri could be a Steven Variant where the rose shields are just like, trash can lids watermelon Steven can be Pumpkin Peridot

[woven skiff]

What do you think are his best perks?

[slate carbon]

bounce bubble, thats flammable, collateral damage, pugilist

[woven skiff]

Cool thanks! I saw someone who preferred green thumb. What’s your opinion between it and bounce bubble

[slate carbon]

Green thumb i think is worse just bc it makes WS way more susceptible to getting punted since it doesnt increase his weight so he just becomes bigger than jason but lighter than arya, and sure you get more damage but hes more likely to get hit with his increased size, it could be useful to heal more often that way tho

bounce bubble is just nice bc you should already be bouncing off your shields as steven and it can even kill to bounce someone off a shield you placed earlier

[woven skiff]

Thanks for you help! I’m trying out your recommended perks

[wintry phoenix]

Petition to change Stevens name in game to his actual name “Steven Quartz Cutiepie Demayo Diamond Universe”

[slate carbon]

Steven forgotten as usual

[rich rock]

So still s tier lol

[rose raven]

Glad to survive the nerfs

[trim scaffold]

As usual?

Bro was getting hit by nerf after nerf in the Beta.

They improved his Fair a bit, but ouside of that I think we was changed all but in one patch normally for the worse.

[ivory coral]

Steven had a new nair every single patch

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1000538634375659571/1004323280737550366/caption.gif

[stoic raft]

Y’all Got Any Tips For Steven?

[green raven]

Is it just me but Steven can’t dodge a single attack

[wintry phoenix]

How do I win as Steven against people with so much more range? Finn, black Adam, and Batman specifically. I feel like Stevens only kill moves are so short ranged that Batman’s cape and anything with any range just wins against the main kill moves. Any tips?

[stoic raft]

Also What’s The Use For Bubble? The Status Effect Specifically.

[slate carbon]

try to bait them with shield bubble so they're stuck in endlag

[quick axle]

Any tips

[quick axle]

Bait no knock back and shield teammates

[slate carbon]

2s: forcing a 2v1
1s: time to set up WS and heal, set up a kill confirm (it takes 5 seconds to fully go through, you can also clock it by the shine on the bubble it moves)

[stoic raft]

Oh Ok Thank You, That Helps A lot.

What You’re Telling Me Is It Allows Me To Do Annoying Things?

[slate carbon]

yes

[stoic raft]

I’m Maining This Character Now

[slate carbon]

btw sair reflects and down attack grounded and nair both destroy projectiles

[stoic raft]

THAT IS SO DUMB, THAT SOUNDS REALLY GOOD!

[rapid salmon]

Random question does anyone know how to do aim steven's side kick downwards

I've seen LightWisp do it but I never found it how lol

[slate carbon]

after hitting down special air while in the air do the input again

like after you bounce off

[rapid salmon]

so you can only do it after shield surf?

[slate carbon]

yes

[rapid salmon]

oh okay thank you

that's an interesting mechanic

[slate carbon]

steven is full of those

[raven spindle]

No one ever expects the follow up kick on shield surf. If I'm not mistaken though, if you don't hit with the surf part you don't get the kick? I could be wrong @slate carbon probably knows a bit better than I do

[daring flower]

Does anyone know good Steven universe perks I’m figuring him out and I don’t know what perks to use and I just want some help with some combos and perks if you can help dm me or @daring flower

[raven spindle]

Bounce bubble as sig perk, then that's Flammable since nair and side special count as projectiles and Nair is a beautiful combo starter so you almost will always proc the ignite. Next is collateral damage, since Stevens putting walls up everywhere and aiming to bounce people around with them anyways. Last is Pugilist since the majority of Stevens attacks are melee, and any extra damage is needed since he doesn't hit the hardest

Something I don't see mentioned often though is Stevens float mechanic. He can float like Peach in smash bros if you hold jump in the air

[daring flower]

Ok thanks I had the green thumb the snowball the extra melee and the movement speed

So I should change mine

[raven spindle]

Steven can already MOOOOVE for no reason

He spends a lot of his time in the air. Your best kill option hands down is up air

[daring flower]

Alr I try doing a lot of down air spam for damage

[slate carbon]

you have to hit them while you are in the air, once you hit the ground then you cant do the follow up kick

[raven spindle]

What if you jump out of surf before hitting ground

[slate carbon]

then your not in surf anymore

[raven spindle]

Fair

So it resets into the surf again if you jump out, you only get the kick if you hit the enemy

Right?

[daring flower]

So when attacking stay in the air and use nair

And dair

?

[slate carbon]

yeah getting an air hit with surf launches you upward, which lets you down kick

[raven spindle]

Steven Nair is his best approach. Unfortunately it's a LITTLE slow to come out. If you find your opponent catching on and always stopping falling nair, fall to the ground and bait out a spot dodge. Dair has a really good downward angle. You wanna use it to bounce someone off the ground up into an up special shield or to knock opponents off the ledge down so they can't get back

Steven fast fall nair is the tastiest thing in the game though 😌

[daring flower]

@raven spindle some time tmrw would you be able to hop In a vc to help me

[raven spindle]

I should be, I'm off tomorrow and I don't think I have any outstanding plans I sent you a few clips as well @daring flower

[daring flower]

Alr thx I got finals tmrw for school so I won’t be able to get on until 1:30 est

[raven spindle]

That's fine, I should just be waking up by then lol

[daring flower]

Alr I gtg tty tmrw

[light night]

steven's nair is probably the most damage move in the entire game charged fully

it's like top 3 steven moves

not even top 3

[raven spindle]

Tbfh I don't even track damage I just go bananas on the sticks until someone wins or loses

[light night]

i don't either but it's good to keep in mind in case DI is severely different to a different knockback you were used to comboing off of

ex: the first dair might be different knockback the next time you land it after a fully charged nair so you cant really combo off of second dair like you did with the first dair

[raven spindle]

That's valid tbh. I usually just either fast fall uncharged nair or float with a charged nair and just let them jump into it bc I screw their timing

[light night]

yeah

[raven spindle]

The fact nair is a better spike than dair tho 💀

[light night]

i miss the armor nair gave to teammates

[hearty sinew]

Is anyone having issues playing Steven ? my friend picks Steven and crashes before match even starts but doesn’t get the same issue when using another character

[raven spindle]

BRUH IS STEVEN THE ISSUE

This would make a lot of sense, since, as a Steven Main, every other match disconnects but I never have issues with Garnet

[river bay]

What are you a fox player?

[raven spindle]

No but I should've been fr

I always preferred Ivysaur

[raven spindle]

And Smash Ultimate was just Nair simulator anyways

[river bay]

You can probably assume who I play due to my pfp

[haughty forge]

Mario!

[raven spindle]

Double Steven go brrrrr

[hearty sinew]

I will say he had to delete the game and redownload it to fix the issue.

Maybe the client had given him a different version of Steven, which led to a auto crash ? I don’t really know but now he only crashes every few matches instead of constantly.

but he mainly crashes from playing Steven

Then he gets average crashes from just regular multiverse being dumb when he plays other characters

[raven spindle]

I was running Steven dittos with someone earlier for like 2 hours and we only crashed our last match

[hearty sinew]

idk man it’s probably multiverse being dumb then.

I crash a few times on the regular- I just think for that instant tho my friends multiverse didn’t fully update or something.

Kinda getting tired of multiverse 😭 online matches be 40 percent crashes then a lot of joker mains

[raven spindle]

We live in a Multiverse

[ancient zodiac]

multiversUS*******

[daring flower]

im starting to main steven would someone be able to help/teach me some combos

dm if you can thanks in advance

[timid mango]

I’ll give you the video I used

[daring flower]

thanks

but i play kbm

[timid mango]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WZC0C1INphk&si=ZMd_bD-C_IVMY202

This one should help you

[daring flower]

It’s a fake link

[timid mango]

It shouldn’t be I shared the video

I’ll dm it to you to see if that fixes it my bad

[pine rain]

ngl yall

spamming down air is just the way

[stoic raft]

Unironically Yeah, Sometimes It Just Weirdly Works. Especially With A Shield Set Above.

[pine rain]

Fr

If i get a harlry or finn i just spam down air

[flat stag]

defeated a toxic spamming WW in 1v1

wait wrong chat

[slate carbon]

I end up spamming side air bc I can never get close enough for dair

[red sandal]

they really should fix the knockback from kick after dair

[trim scaffold]

Mac players:

[reef forge]

I love playing as this little turd

Why was his nair buffed so much from beta

I know it was bad before, but they gave it like triple the range and it does 20

lol

[slate carbon]

It was and still is like one of his best moves

[reef forge]

Nah, in beta it honestly wasn’t too great

Steven was stubby and had like no actual way to get in that was safe

Here, they made his hitboxes super disjointed and everyone being bigger helps him

[raven spindle]

Resize Steven to be on par with Gizmo

He is currently a very LARGE 14 year old

[ivory coral]

It was and still is his best move

[slate carbon]

it was a great combo extender and also did like 15 damage before you include thats flammable

and also came out really fast

[reef forge]

Eh y’know, I can see that

Fair

[red sandal]

mojo jojo keeps ruining my sair

[slate carbon]

dude i hate mojo jojo

[sour gale]

why is default steven a tank and mage but any skins make him just a tank

[native kettle]

thats actually so interesting

[sour gale]

and none of the skins give him any extra tags, for example: coach steven doesnt give him sports attire which is so weird

[slate carbon]

they do not care about Steven

[sour gale]

steven is one of, if not most, slept on character :(

[slate carbon]

no its just the devs themselves could not care, they couldnt even bother to make sure his mouth looked correctly in any promo, accurately portray his personality in game, or even make sure his skins all use the same skin tone

[sour gale]

tbh i think the devs (or at least WB) only cares about how much money they can drain from their players until the game dies, again

[slate carbon]

at least the other characters have consistency in their skins and have personalities that are their own/fit them

[sour gale]

true

other than a few

[light night]

I don't think this game will ever die to like a concurrent amount of players like a 100, it's gonna have a small community like brawlhalla does which there's nothing wrong with that

and yeah they care very little about some characters etc. steven

[red sandal]

it died before whats different this time around?

[light night]

i don't remember it dying, i remember they closed the beta because they got all the info they needed

not because it died

a game that has less than 1000 concurrent players is dead

[red sandal]

before they announced the closing fo the beta the game only had 500 concurrent players

[slate carbon]

the devs went radio silent the first time for like months on end
this time they most likely will stay and update

[red sandal]

true true
i just hope it will last

[slate carbon]

well people are calling it a sinking ship and they havent even released a new character or stage

[rapid salmon]

I wouldn't say Steven is OoC

Tbh it's just weird not hearing Zach

Hopefully they bring him back

[slate carbon]

his entire personality in game is just "i am 12 years old"

[rapid salmon]

He does show that he cares about his teammate and tries to be supportive through his voicelines

I wish they showed his temper a little bit but can't complain much

It's clear that the devs care MUCH more about Garnet though

[raven spindle]

I mean they got Estelle back to voice her, they gotta get their money's worth out of that

[vestal turtle]

is steven’s bubble supposed to stop working randomly?

like he randomly starts sweating instead of using the bubble

[slate carbon]

his bubble is tied to his dodge meter, if his dodge meter is empty he cant bubble

[vestal turtle]

wtf 😭

the people deciding this actually needs to get fired

2 different cooldown bars is insane

[hardy geyser]

Crazy how I don’t really like Steven the character

But he’s my best character and was the easier for me to click with

I wanna main Superman but I’m bad with him outside of 2s

[raven spindle]

You coming from Smash Bros?

[hardy geyser]

Brawlhalla

But I haven’t played Brawlhalla really since 2019-2020

[raven spindle]

I ask bc personally Steven feels the most "smash bros" out of the roster imo. I didn't play enough brawlhalla to speak on it

[ivory raptor]

Such a free character

[sonic fractal]

yeppp

steven is broken

[light night]

It mightve did, I wasn't paying attention, but I hope the best for this game

they've been updating a lot recently

[ivory raptor]

On steamcharts, yeah

It's not the be-all and end-all indicator but it's the best we got ig

Game is doing much worse this time around though

Great to see, devs didn't learn from their mistakes and they're still creating a crappy game that'll get shut down in less than a year because it stops being profitable for WB

[red sandal]

am i the only one running out of stamina every 5 sec

[red sandal]

how does sair not ring out at 150

[light night]

who were you fighting?

[red sandal]

everyone bro

[light night]

sair kills for me most of the time? maybe I'm fighting people who don't di?

[red sandal]

i have to be right outside the blast zone to even try to get a kill with sair

[grim wren]

Bought Steven a few days ago (like a day before he entered free rotation lmao) and I'm having so much fun, also wrecking a lot, looks like as he's not that popular people don't fully know how to fight against him because I've played around 26 hours and haven't seen many Stevens

[slate carbon]

i see him more often in 2s

[grim wren]

I mainly play online PVP 2 vs 2 and I think that in those 26 hours, 99% that I've seen him but maybe not more than 20 times, other characters are way more common, I also love when you surf with your shield as it's more complicated for the people that attack from below like Bugs with the bat

[hardy geyser]

It’s because SU franchise really isn’t that popular nor a fan favorite

But Steven honestly easy to use

[trim scaffold]

True

Side Note: What's wrong with Steven Tether?

[rapid salmon]

Oh dw that was from the Open Beta days

[trim scaffold]

Ah

[rapid salmon]

Steven had a bunch of glitches back then

😭

[trim scaffold]

Something I always thought was fun was hearing Steven's 2s voicelines in 1v1s.

Then it just sounds like he's talking to the player, or I guess sometimes the melon boy. 🤔

[tame portal]

wtf do u do against wonder women

I died at 80

and I xsnt kill her till like 120

am I missing something

[trim scaffold]

WW players love to mash so try to break out of her burst range and ready a Nair to whiff punish.

Her down-b shields are up for a limited time so if you can't armor break then try to camp her out instead.

[tame portal]

I straight up csnt kill

with him

firet match I got cheesed by ww and died at 70 from fair then I got looped by tom

[quasi thorn]

Is Steven the only character without a Tooniverse skin???

[rapid salmon]

ye

[green raven]

That’s dumb

[thin tinsel]

steven needs a buff

[stoic raft]

He Doesn’t Need It Honestly.

[thin tinsel]

Yes he does he’s to weak

[quartz trail]

you're high

seriously

steven has been top tier since release

[thin tinsel]

nuh uh

[rapid salmon]

Top tier since release? I don't think that's accurate. Top tier now? Yeah

He's probably near the top of high tier

wouldn't say he's Joker, IG, or WW level

[quartz trail]

what changed and when?

i thought he didnt get tweaked

[rapid salmon]

(This is all my opinion) Steven was a character with limited range in a game with high movement speed and small hitboxes in the Open Beta. With the increased character size, he has a lot more ways to effectively control screen space. His shield is very good for protecting your opponent and also fishing for parries. Even if you miss a parry, the shield will protect you if you have enough shield stocks

back then Steven was also a very high execution character due to having mechanics like using his protection shield to combo people or to force them to launch at specific angles. His movement was limited compared to other characters and he didn't have a good advantage state due to many characters having high movement speed and ways to kill his defensive resources and force him into bad positions

Also he had a lot of glitches back then 😭

There was a glitch where single hits would deplete his bubble in one hit and it made playing him extremely hard

[rapid salmon]

Other then system changes I actually don't know if he got specific tweaks outside of recovery changes and having a cooldown on Up Special

[quartz trail]

i meant release as in the official one, not the testing phases

sorry for the confusion

[rapid salmon]

oh my bad

As of now the only major nerf Steven had was to the recovery on down air. Basically he can't just loop into it for long periods at low percents

[livid gazelle]

why does steven get all of the hitstun

trying to DI out and mash dodge at the first opportunity and it took like 10 moves until i could act

[raven spindle]

There's a window after an up special or an up air you can usually side dodge out of. After that though it's on you if you're being too predictable. It's easily read with a side air or a fake out. Switch up which direction you dodge (parries work well too) and as best as you can, keep him from underneath you

[light night]

no he doesn't

[nova venture]

Is there an Official Steven discord?

[slate carbon]

yeah but theres a weird bug with it and new members cant see anything

[nova venture]

damn

[nova venture]

why is this whole chat so inactive

on youtube there are like 5 different highly edited "guides" which sadly are all not up to date or simply to simple

but here it seems like this community is dead

[slate carbon]

This is Steven Universe, his show/character are not that popular

Also his stubby hitboxes

[light night]

how many people do you know actually plays steven

he's one of the least used characters in the game ofc his community isn't gonna be that popular

[nova venture]

Hm

Thats quite sad

[light night]

but he's still busted

so i don't mind

[nova venture]

I love watching the show rn

[light night]

the show is good

[nova venture]

But Garnet has an active community?

I guess shes less "weird" than Steven

[light night]

most of that community just preaches on how she should get buffed

and she should

[nova venture]

NAHH

Trust me

Im probably one of biggest Garnet labbers

She does not need buffs

[light night]

imo she still needs a buff

I don't think she's bad

[nova venture]

She will only need buffs when they finally decide to nerf her loops

[light night]

She just needs more tweaks

[nova venture]

My biggest problem rn are her loops. I should i care about getting creative and labbing niche stuff when i can just abuse her loops at every %

Thats why i want i learn steven

[light night]

i mean most characters in this game have loops

[nova venture]

Im pretty sure most of them got removed

But they just forgot garnet

[light night]

garnet and jake are so forgotten

[nova venture]

My biggest fear is that they just nerf her loops without giving her any buffs

If thats happened

Then she would be dead

[nova venture]

(Yet garnets discord server is more active than this

Its so weird

Isnt steven one of the most creatively played characters?

[light night]

im talking about the devs

[nova venture]

He is so weird and most likely has a bunch of tech

[nova venture]

Ohhh

[light night]

their communities are probably still active asl

[nova venture]

The Devs are a bit weird

They are sooooo careful with balance chances

Bugs literally never got nerfed

[light night]

and they removed half of everyone's cooldowns

for no reason

less cooldowns is fine but if it's a key compartment of a character you're taking away it's a problem

[timid mango]

he's about middle of the list in pick rate for both 1's and 2's tho tbf, but it jsut seems like that cause the "big 3" are a good bit above everyone else

[light night]

yeah he's definitely not a bad character at all

I like him

[timid mango]

facts i think hes pretty nasty, especially nair

[light night]

nair is like top 3 moves

[timid mango]

i agree

[rapid salmon]

Can you provide a video of her loops

[nova venture]

thats the most simple way to start loops

#clips message

she can use moves such as Nair,Down attack, Landing fair 1, Dair, Side b (Projectile) AND side b (her tackle)

to start these loops

[rapid salmon]

Ty king

[reef forge]

This is now my best character and it's not even close lol

At least until Velma gets her incoming rework~

I feel so carried xD

Why. Why does he have so much damage and kill power for a tank with his utility

And everything just works on him so well

Except watermelon, that's a move I guess lmao

Free heal~

[timid mango]

legit this character is so nasty

[trail spoke]

anyone know any combos for steven, i feel like i get punished for whiffing a lot

[ivory raptor]

Dair > Dair > Dair is one

[reef forge]

It’s true lol

Dair Uair and Up B can kinda just be spammed at random, just get in by charging Nair and you’re good 👍

Steven has so much freedom

[ivory raptor]

Steven shouldn't be allowed to parry

Way too broken for having such a safe parry

[reef forge]

He shouldn’t be allowed to shield in the air, like he can just do it right after he spawns to save his ally as if dying is a good thing

It also just completely invalidates the need for ladders counterplay, which is virtually how the whole cast gets kills lol

[rapid salmon]

?

[primal osprey]

[trim scaffold]

ehhhhh

If you want to get the most out of him then yeah

TFD plus Nair > Dair > Up-b kinda takes care of any damage issues you'll ever have while being a bit more reliable then trying to ping pong people into plat forms or lab a Steven Bomb setup.

[trim scaffold]

Counterpoint
Steven cannot move until he drops the bubble so you can just target him on respawn, and he can't get away.

Even if you don't.
You're still fighting a 2v1 until he decides to engage, and 3 hits of any move or an armor break attack will make his bubble a non-issue, and you can jump them JJK style.

It's a strong option, but there's still answers to it.

[trim scaffold]

Bubble freezes him in the air for a bit and take even longer to reach the ground, while not changing his position.
While it will save him from an otherwise killing blow. It'll only delay his landing which are very vulnerable due to his slow fall speed, mediocre burst movement and poor range.
He still has to do something after the bubble like a jump, dodge, fast fall. That's your ticket to punishing him.
If you can't do that then use a command grab, a move with more than 3 hits, or pick an anti-armor perk.

Hope this helps. 👍

[primal osprey]

Dodge before shield in air allows for fast fall while bubbled

[reef forge]

Fair enough @trim scaffold, I wasn’t considering those factors. And I’m the Steven player in those scenarios thinking bubble is too strong, not struggling against it myself haha

I’m decent enough at the game but not competitive

What’s TFD?

[trim scaffold]

Welp that sounds like it's going to be patched.
Gonna abuse it tho thx for that tip.

[trim scaffold]

That's
Flammabe
Doc

Hit a projectile then hit a melee attack and you put someone on fire and get a DOT effect.

It's useful for comboing off side special, and Steven Bomb.
It's main use however is for his Neutral Air which is coded as a projectile, while comboing into his melee moves like Dair & Fair
With enough charge/% it'll do enough knockback to start bouncing people off the ground which for some reason counts as a melee hit and will ignite.

[reef forge]

Oh right. Thanks.

Yeah Nair being counted as a projectile is wild

It eats other projectiles

[trim scaffold]

Makes Tom & Jerry so much less daunting to fight.

[reef forge]

It really does

[light night]

@orchid dome i might be throwing i don't know how i fell off the map twice

😭

[orchid dome]

@light night ohh i remember that match yeahhhh you were cooking me for the first stock i got lucky

[light night]

ggs though

[remote maple]

What does exactly Steven unique perk of the shield does? Give me an hipotéticas scenario of how this works.

[primal osprey]

Read the description for it

[remote maple]

I read it, still don't understand

[primal osprey]

Skill issue then

[reef forge]

@primal osprey Their native language probably isn't English, come on dude

[reef forge]

When it's used, Steven gets to block an attack 3 times, which recharges over time

Most attacks, anyway. Some go through it

Or if you mean the shields he leaves behind, those can be used as walls to bounce opponents off of, or terrain for himself

[remote maple]

Yes, I'm Spanish but the Text is redundant. The bounce bubble perk increases the propulsion after hitting an enemy into it right?

[primal osprey]

More bounces off shields faster enemy goes and more stun

[raven spindle]

Cannot move for longer and bounce farther when they hit the shield (side special and up special)

[zinc shell]

Best perks for him?

[rapid salmon]

Bpunce ignite collat pug

[primal osprey]

Bounce snowball 100 pug

[slate carbon]

tongueless steven is mine

[rapid salmon]

Is it true that steven has his old model on his base skin

[thin tinsel]

steven highkey need a strength buff

[plain breach]

Just played some Steven and man he's a blast

I actually love watermelon steven

When he actually starts putting in work it's the funniest thing ever

[primal osprey]

Bro is like top 5 rn. If you still want buffs that’s just a skill issue kekw

[ivory coral]

its an extreme skill issue

bro does WAY to much damage

[reef forge]

He probably only needs small nerfs tbh

Like they can probably just nerf his Uair and he'll be fine

[timid mango]

uair and nair then its cool

[reef forge]

I'm alright with that, no reason why it should be doing 20

[ivory raptor]

His dair needs more endlag tbh

If you get hit by it offstage you're dead

For whatever reason, he can use it and hit me faster than I can dodge

[reef forge]

Oh, very true

It can just lead into itself

It needs to get the treatment Bugs and T&J got

[trim scaffold]

Why are people so eager to take out the 2/5 good CQC moves this guys has. 😭

We just got them back.

[rapid salmon]

A lot of players think that characters should have most of their strong moves toned down

Characters should have strong moves

As long as it's not too polarizing, or as long as a kit doesn't have TOO many strong moves then it's fine to have

[remote maple]

But also that 'strong move' should not be the whole of the character, neither combo into itself until win.

[rapid salmon]

Are you referring to dair?

[remote maple]

nair, but not because is broken, just annoying. Still I win. But that is the spam for Steven newbies.

[remote maple]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[rapid salmon]

Oh okay

Keep in mind nair has quite a lot of endlag so you can dodge out of the way and get a combo on reaction

[remote maple]

I know, but the dodge mechanic is some times terrible. The nair of Steven even after a dodge retain its hurtboxes and each frame counts for some reason it's individual attack.

So even if you 'dodge' the ability still hurts you.

[light night]

nair and neutral b is such a devious combo

[slate carbon]

ok steven is totally a tank, the website considers him a tank

[high plume]

Yeah

[fathom axle]

Yes, but he still feels very mage-y with the proyectiles and shields and watermelon steven

[light night]

he feels a lot more mage like for me

i guess weight could be a factor in tank

[slate carbon]

The 1-2 actual projectiles he has?

The WS that's there primarily to heal you and be another body to eat grabs for you?

[trim scaffold]

I honestly don't even know what these tags mean.

[molten matrix]

why does his dair hit from below 😭

[ivory raptor]

Why does his downward attack hit below him?

Or above him as in he hits from below you?

[molten matrix]

yeah

from below as in

he's hitting me from below with his dair 😭

[ivory raptor]

Yeah hitboxes just suck like that

[molten matrix]

i think i need a break from this game

[ivory raptor]

What I wanna know is why I can't spike him because of his busted ass neutral dodge

[molten matrix]

im lowkey getting angry at random design elements

[ivory raptor]

Can't kill off the top either because Batman doesn't have true ladders

Remove his shield dodge in the air

[molten matrix]

personally i just hate how quick his dair is and his starfish nair

i hate it on both him and garnet

[true lion]

What character is good against steven? not playing ww, rlly, I don't feel like cheating and morty it's literally -1 (or even -2) on that matchup

[light night]

is it just me or is steven's up tilt really strong?

ill be comboing someone from a jab into utilt and it sends them right below the blast zone

[ivory raptor]

Like

WW maybe

Thats about it

[elder rivet]

Yee it's a kill move if you can hit it consistently 😲

[slate carbon]

most assassins can outspeed him and their consistent multihit attacks drain his bubble shields
most tanks (besides jason) have armor that steven is not all that good at dealing with

[slate carbon]

also that one perk that pauses armor feels like its almost designed to counter steven

[rapid salmon]

Yep

Armor break moves are perfect if u predict steven is gonna shield

[trim scaffold]

Try Wonder Woman.
Bigger range, kills mad early, you can frame trap him out of bubble with up-b and kill him for it, and Steven lacks reliable armor breaks so side-b can be hard for him to interuppt (but he can still whiff punish it so be careful.), and down-b will make all of his aerials punishable on hit unless he has a perk for his fully charged attacks, but you can just doddge that since that they all take forever to fully charge.
Or Super-Man
Lasers can get around his side-b shields.
Forward attack & Nair eats armor pretty well, Command Grabs ignore his bubble out right, and up attack can be hard for him to challenge because of the armor

[nova venture]

Can anyone invite me to the Steven Universe Main Discord server?

[slate carbon]

theres a weird bug with it and new members cant see anything

[nova venture]

ITS STILL NOT FIXED?

[slate carbon]

the ownership of the server changed like 3 times so a lot of stuff is weird

the current owner doesnt really know what to do to fix it

[reef forge]

Or just make it recharge slower tbh. It can be baited and halts his air momentum as he does it

But it is inherently toxic to have to change your entire playstyle because of a gimmick

It’s part of why Steve is so unfun to fight, so I totally get a lot of the frustration. For the game’s health I agree with you

[trim scaffold]

Why does Steven have to change his playstyle because of his bubble but the opponent doesn't have to do the same.

It's so over.

[sullen garnet]

Damn bruh they always nerfing this mf

[ivory raptor]

Curse of being insanely overpowered!

[ivory raptor]

Steven deserves the nerfs

It's what he gets for being fat

[light night]

steven has a smash bros shield in this game i think its fair

with no endlag if you get hit

[ivory raptor]

He has a smash bros shield but all the same parry and dodge mechanics as normal characters

It's pretty busted

[light night]

ik

[true lion]

Good, It was a impossible matchup for my main
It was so fair to get hit with a nair that does 20% of dmg lmao

[primal osprey]

I think we all knew Stevie boy was a bit over tuned but kept it on the DL so we could enjoy it while it lasted. All good things come to an end tho

[trim scaffold]

It takes forever to charge he needs it.

[trim scaffold]

Probably.

It is what it is.

[trim scaffold]

[primal osprey]

I think the changes to Steven are pretty decent but I think nothing absolutely debilitating. Overall seems pretty fair, will need to play tho to say forsure

[true lion]

Thank you god for the steven nerfs

[trim scaffold]

At least up-air still kills

[frank cradle]

Neutral air not being projectile anymore is gonna hurt but it make sense.

[hardy geyser]

Steven c tier now

His N air was the only thing keeping him in the game tbh

Steven jabs are ass

[oblique ivy]

Steven got shattered like his mom did in the show

[true lion]

Uhhhhh, nope? nair still does 20% at full charge
also, dair was better than nair, fight me

[frank cradle]

I mean they're not taking the nair away, it just doesn't proc the flammable perk anymore.

[trim scaffold]

Nair takes 2/3 of a second about 40 frames to fully charge. 20% is the least it could do for how often you're not gonna hit it.
Even if Dair was better that got nerfed too it's not really looking good for this kid.

[rapid salmon]

These Steven nerfs are genuinely insane

[rapid salmon]

smash shields are frame 1 startups, steven is nowhere near that fast

and gets destroyed easier, not really comparable besides the fact that they are shields

[ivory raptor]

Stevens is also frame 1! The only reason it feels like its not is because the devs are stupid and forced a 30 frame buffer!

Steven has the most overpowered defenses in the entire game

[rapid salmon]

The patch notes state that the startup was nerfed from 8 frames to 20 frames

it had a decent startup before the pre-nerf, now it's a third of a second

[rapid salmon]

Have you seen WW?

[ivory raptor]

Oh wow she has armor on 2 moves

What a broken defense

Absolutely busted

[rapid salmon]

Her shield forces you to stop playing normally. She also has like 30 other aspects of her kit that does htat

[ivory raptor]

Uncounterable

[ivory raptor]

This isn't her defense

This is her offense

[rapid salmon]

Why are we downplaying a top 2 character, be fr

[ivory raptor]

Her hitboxes are scuffed

She is the only character with priority

[rapid salmon]

Despite that she's still an insane twos character

[ivory raptor]

And Taz actually

[ivory raptor]

I never said she was bad lmao

I just said Steven has the best defense in the game

Steven is a contendor for top 5 rn

[rapid salmon]

Applying armor to her and her teammate allows her to play defensively and makes opponents take more risks on their offense. That is a defensive mechanic.

[trim scaffold]

I'm confused why does the patch say #patch-notes message
"Neutral dodge shield start-up increased to 20 frames from 8 frame"

[ivory raptor]

Because they're frauds

[trim scaffold]

If it was frame 1 wouldn't it say increase to 20 frames form 1 frame?

[rapid salmon]

because he doesn't understand Steven as a character lmfao

misinformation on his part

[rapid salmon]

I don't agree with this

[ivory raptor]

Steven can also apply armor to his teammate! Stronger armor, even! Armor that takes MULTIPLE hits to break!

Steven is busted y'all are downplaying

[trim scaffold]

Is there a source for this?

[ivory raptor]

He deserves the nerfs

[rapid salmon]

Steven has good defensive mechanics but his slow movement speed and limited extended hitboxes make his disadvantage state bad

[ivory raptor]

My source is this is their second attempt at the same game and it's worse

[rapid salmon]

It's not horrible but he has more trouble than other characters would

[ivory raptor]

Learned nothing

[trim scaffold]

Agreed.
Not after 2morrow tho.

[ivory raptor]

We'll see

[rapid salmon]

Steven's armor has a drawback of forcing his teammate to play a 2v1 game

[trim scaffold]

Didn't they nerf literally every strength he had in the current patch to some degree?

[ivory raptor]

2v1 doesn't matter when you're invincible lol

[ivory raptor]

Good

[rapid salmon]

He can't setup shields or control space while he has bubble active and it makes him a good target for armor breaks

Armor breaks go through bubble

it's not "invincible"

[light night]

Dang there was a lot of nerfs this patch

[rapid salmon]

Listen, I'm not downplaying Steven, I just think that there are a lot of unnecessary nerfs that he received

[trim scaffold]

How is a guy gonna be top 5 if all the reasons he was top 5 aren't there anymore
His disadvantage is worse.
His damage is worse.
His CQC is worse.
His map editing is worse.
I guess his healing is untouched but it still sucks anyways.
And there's nothing to compensate it's literally all nerfs.

[rapid salmon]

Not even bugs got as impactful nerfs as Steven did and he's way better

[ivory raptor]

Wow a top tier is getting nerfs what a horrible time

The devs need to nerf the other top tiers more as well tbh

[rapid salmon]

You can nerf a character, but you should still give buffs to compensate

[ivory raptor]

They buffed WWs knockback to compensate for lowering damage

Actual idiotic plan

[trim scaffold]

That doesn't answer my question sadly.

[ivory raptor]

Hire a proper balance team

[rapid salmon]

Having a character receive only nerfs isn't healthy for a game

a competitive fighting game at least

[ivory raptor]

Buff Joker fr

[ivory raptor]

The game is aimed around 2v2s and aimed towards casuals

They couldn't care less about the competitive scene

[trim scaffold]

I'd say most of the changes he received were fair.

Ignoring the bubble startup that feels pretty counter productive.

[rapid salmon]

Mutiversus devs care about the competitive and casual scene of the game

[trim scaffold]

But all of his untouched moves like Jab, D-tilt, & Sair were made with the previous kit in mind.
When the old tools are taken away why wouldn't they change something else to give the character some new life?

[rapid salmon]

If the game was completely aimed towards casuals they wouldn't bother to add rank or to have a 100,000 pot for EVO

[ivory raptor]

The bubble also parrying was ridiculous
It gave him the only parry in the game that had no risk

[rapid salmon]

no risk?

[ivory raptor]

Everyone else has a strict parry timer and if they screw up they get hit and combo'd

[rapid salmon]

The startup isn't instantn

he has the same parry timer as everyone else

[ivory raptor]

Steven? He screws up the strict timer, who cares? He'll just tank it with the shield anyways

[rapid salmon]

the shield startup is AFTER the parry timer. If you mess up your parry timing, dodge won't save you. And moves that break armor will beat bubble

[thin tinsel]

bro

[trim scaffold]

See people say that but missing a parry on Jake neutral-b would result on you taking 50% while having bottom 5 weight.

lol

[thin tinsel]

aint no way they nerfed him

[rapid salmon]

Yeah this is just incorrect

[ivory raptor]

Should've buffed the top 5 character fr

[thin tinsel]

they should focus on people who actually need nerfs

[rapid salmon]

Every character should have strong tools

From reading these patch notes, it seems that the devs are focused on removing the strong tools that characters have until the overall character power drops

[ivory raptor]

Like Steven

[trim scaffold]

bet

Let's make Jason neutral-b do the self damage, but with no armor.

[thin tinsel]

you most likely lost to steven so many times that u think he needs a nerf

[rapid salmon]

^

That dude is in every character channel complaining everyday I wouldn't be surprised

[slate carbon]

oh you guys dont know about zypten

he does this al lthe time

just tries to start stuff

hes been doing this since beta

ignore him

[rapid salmon]

damn since beta, and he still isn't tired? 😭

[rapid salmon]

good advice I'mma start doing that

[slate carbon]

he may be serious but idk

[rapid salmon]

if he's serious i feel bad, couldn't imagine complaining that much over a game

i'd be miserable fr

[slate carbon]

anyway at least i have jason bc steven is gonna feel awful for the like 2 months until the (likely) beginning of season patch

[rapid salmon]

hm

jason got some buffs this patch so he should feel better to play

faster jab, extended hitbox too

[slate carbon]

if that they may just leave him

[ivory raptor]

I wish the game would last 2 more months but it's losing about 2k players a week on Steam alone

[slate carbon]

👍

[rapid salmon]

👍

[sick cypress]

I swear it doesn’t matter what chat I check I always see Zypten in there complaining like it’s a full time job

[ivory raptor]

I'm not complaining

I'm just saying Steven has the strongest defense in the game

[sick cypress]

so true bestie

[light night]

that nair change is gonna hurt a bit

but it's a good nerf

still a good approach option still but sair might be better now

[ivory raptor]

I mean 8 whiff frames and no longer procs flammable doesn't seem like too much of a nerf

[covert osprey]

Shield nerf is a big deal ngl

I feel like Steven is gonna be much worse in 2s now

Like his combo game is still there but a lot of his supporting ability is gone

[light night]

the flammable added up a lot over time and the whiff frames is gonna suck too cause it was pretty spammable

[light night]

yeah, but tons of other characters got nerfed too

i think they're just nerfing the "explosiveness" of each character

if that makes sense

like how shaggy up b is killing at 50% from a 0% jab combo

[sick cypress]

True, the only Steven nerf is really dislike is his shield nerf

I think that’s what made him really unique and nerfing that it feels like they’re making the character more standard, like you can have a shield, but it’s gonna take 20 frames to come out and you’re vulnerable beforehand

The shield taking 3 hits is also a bit of a bummer, Steven has always been one of my favorite characters to spectate and combos or kills from bouncing off a well placed shield was so cool

But that one makes sense

[light night]

not gonna lie his shield was pretty busted though

it was a better smash shield in a way

[sick cypress]

I was fine with that, I’d much rather other parts of his kit be nerfed

[light night]

and as i thought i knew utilt was gonna get changed

[light night]

yeah that one's gonna suck too

the infinite bouncing from it though is probably infuriating and i can understand the intent behind the change

[sick cypress]

Idk, I’m aware that it was very strong but that felt like nerfing the core of the character, like he’s a tank if you’re going to nerf something maybe nerf his assassin or bruiser like combo game

Which I mean they started to do

[light night]

that was the core of his character

but i mean it's hard to balance that aspect without ruining the "identity" they said

[sick cypress]

I guess we’ll see how it feels, I just feel like as someone coming from smash a 20 frame shield is gonna feel terrible

[light night]

what's the frame data for shields in ultimate?

[sick cypress]

Frame 1

[light night]

yikes

[sick cypress]

They’re frame 1 in every smash game iirc

[light night]

ok that's noticeable then

wasn't stevens shield frame 8 before it was 20?

[sick cypress]

It went from 8 already to 20 which is 2 and a half times longer startup, I just know I’m gonna be playing a game against a bugs and be trying to land and throw out my shield to protect myself and eat a fat up air anyways and throw my controller through a window

[light night]

good thing bugs uair got nerfed lol

no idea if it was enough though

[sick cypress]

Lmao it def was not

[light night]

this is probably the biggest patch since the season 1 beta patch

[sick cypress]

2 less active frames

[light night]

almost every character got touched

[sick cypress]

I’m still gonna get nuked to oblivion

[light night]

that's it??

[sick cypress]

I like that they’re going to every character for the most part

[light night]

I don't think the active frames is the problem lmao

[light night]

Ya same

[sick cypress]

It’s banana guard all over again

[light night]

more of a kb nerf that should happen imo

bugs uair is probably the best uair behind jokers

[sick cypress]

Don’t worry guys we figured it out, this super strong oppressive kill move that is easy to combo into and sends way to far lasts like just a thirtieth of a second too long

[sick cypress]

Agreed

I think jokers up air actually got nerfed tho lemme check

[light night]

ya it did

I think a lock out or smth