Rick Sanchez

[indigo otter]

at all

[celest wren]

Yah I don’t even wanna pick up another main

[indigo otter]

you can guess by my name

[celest wren]

Rick was like the only character that caught my eye

[celest wren]

😭🙏🏾

[indigo otter]

same

the only character I had genuine fun with was RIck

I tried everybody else

Jack was kinda fun too, but he's super weak right now

and I like combos

jack has zero combos

[celest wren]

Yah they nerfed him

Yah same I like combos and portal combos are honestly one of the most unique combos in platform fighters

U have so many routes u can take

But pfg probably won’t buff rock cuz you’ll have ricks that are in gold 5 tryna tell u that ricks is so goated

[indigo otter]

even if he is, nobody can say that Rick is the same level as Joker, IG, Harley, Steven, Shaggy

[celest wren]

Like I use to beat hardcore fox and all the flaccoco consistently

And now I can’t punish a brain dead Steven player bc he realize that I can’t whiff punish him at all

[celest wren]

Yah that’s about 15 characters that jsut diff Rick rn

[untold flame]

I think these are fair buffs

Also make up special launch down again bc that was fun

[dark jetty]

Decent buffs but i hope polymorph does not get gutted to where its js bad

But i do want rick to get another move in place for it
It be nice

[silent veldt]

they're 100% buffing other stuff if polymorph gets nerfed since its like 50% of his strength rn

[celest wren]

I jsut want his jab speed to be reverted

[supple crest]

havent won a single game today in 1s in the past hour

nvm just made a gizmo rage after 2 stocking lol

[white stag]

That Gizmo deserved his defeat.

[supple crest]

yeah I had to get off

literally just couldnt win no matter what I did

I dropped from plat 2 to plat 4 man

[celest wren]

Yah that’s what happens when u play a bottom 10 character

[white stag]

...without a godsend of fortune and experience.

[celest wren]

Huh

[supple crest]

It's not like this every day

Some days I can keep a 65-75 win rate

But yeah

Rick sucks really bad and needs to be fixed

[celest wren]

Yah i stopped playing bc of how bad he is

[dark jetty]

I got him to plat

Im js gonna get him to diamond atp

Or atleast try too

Ranked 333 in 2s rn

Learned how to do some portal combos but im not really doing them right but its a step in the right direction

Honestly im not really affected tm by his nerfs atp im js used to it

Hes still pretty fun to play atleast how im preforming

Hoping for some changes on him in the next season

But overall rn while he is struggling i wouldnt say hes a bad char id say hes okay rn but he has issues to contend to now so u gotta try harder and u could say hes not worth much the effort but hes still pretty fun to play and isnt the absolute worst

Thats how i feel anyway

[celest wren]

He feels good now until u get to higher ranks where ppl are better and understand the game

There’s a lot of stuff u can get away in plat that doesn’t fly in masters

And that’s the issue ppl who are in plat that are saying the nerfs are fine

But us in masters are struggling

[silent veldt]

Idk I'm seeing success with him and I still find him really fun

[hazy prairie]

gucci belt spam

[celest wren]

What rank are u

[pastel mountain]

is there any single reason

like 1 reason

why is this character

with crazy combos and crazy jab

crazy kill confirms

crazy kill options

needs to have a gun that breaks enemies projectiles with one hit ?

[silent veldt]

Masters II

[celest wren]

Bro still thinks ricks jab is crazy 😭🙏🏾

Bros playing a whole entirely different game

[silent veldt]

his jab isn't good he just gets good stuff out of jab

[celest wren]

Yah and good stuff can be a stretch

He had quite literally the worst jab in the game now and ppl still complain

[dark jetty]

Yo have u guys

Seen the new rick tech?

With the portal dodge

[dark jetty]

Im tryna get to diamond and plat 5 the rp gain is rough

Thats probably true but tbh in 2s he pratically gets away with alot

If this was 1s yeah i can wym

He honestly feels the same in 2s with his nerfs and stuff

1s js where they affected him mostly and its point blank obvious

Like playing him in 1s feels weird idk how to explain it

[celest wren]

U can’t each to stuff anymore u gotta predict what ur opponent is gonna do

[supple crest]

I'm 290, it's impossible man

[dark jetty]

Im 176 now

U got dis bro

[supple crest]

Damn nice going man

You're inspiring me

[vagrant widget]

What Garnet Jake Velma and basically every single low tier has been doing this entire time lol

[celest wren]

Garnet has some crazy kill confirms

[celest wren]

Jake has an op bite mechanic

[celest wren]

And Velma is jsut velm

[vagrant widget]

You still have to predict what the opponent is gonna do to land those

In theory

[celest wren]

Rick does not compare

[vagrant widget]

Jab jab portal up tilt side air

[celest wren]

Yah and predicting correctly is way more
Beneficial for them than ricks

[vagrant widget]

In fact add a meeseeks in between the up tilt and side air

[celest wren]

Not true btw

[celest wren]

Bro that’s not worth how bad jab is lol

[vagrant widget]

It ain’t even bad tho

It’s still a far reaching jab

Just because it has actual endlag now doesn’t mean it sucks

[celest wren]

It’s bad for a combo that takes skill and requires a long cooldown

[celest wren]

His jab isn’t as far reaching as before and they literally jsut nerfed it

[celest wren]

It’s the slowest jab in the game with the most endlag bro

[vagrant widget]

Well whoodedoo then 🥳

[vagrant widget]

That’s a stretch

[hazy prairie]

she has 3 kill confirms, her clap has crazy end lag and you have to land a jab first, shockwave also has crazy end lag and you have to get lucky and the final one is just cheese

[celest wren]

Nah theres a video with the frame data that’s some guy posted

[vagrant widget]

Half the time clap falls out second hit lol

Her “kill confirm” that doesn’t always confirm 😭

[celest wren]

Rick’s jab is slower than Jason’s and ig

[hazy prairie]

yeah cause game broken

[celest wren]

Same with Rick

[vagrant widget]

How many frames?

[hazy prairie]

i’m trynna see these frame videos

[celest wren]

I forgot but it became the official slowest jab in the game

[hazy prairie]

how does someone get one

[celest wren]

Jsut look it up

It’s pre the last two patches

Than u jsut add the frame data that they added from the patch

Pre patch Rick’s jab was faster than Jason’s and now Jason’s is faster

[vagrant widget]

It’s tied with Finn

Finn’s is 22 frames

Plus that video is from a month ago and seems off

Cause it says his activates on the 23rd frame but the Banana Guard in the vid is in hitstun animation since frame 10

Meanwhile Finn’s genuinely doesn’t activate til frame 22

[celest wren]

Yah u add the frames form later patches

[vagrant widget]

How many frames were added?

[celest wren]

Jsut 4 for ricks jab

That’s what they added

[vagrant widget]

So 14 frame active?

[celest wren]

Idk

I jsut looked at when it started

[vagrant widget]

Just rewatched the vid Finn’s jab is active frame 15

[hazy prairie]

where did you find it

[vagrant widget]

So Finn and Rick have the same jab speed now

[vagrant widget]

YT

The vid is by Higashi

[hazy prairie]

yeah but finn has crazy reach from his jab

thanks

[vagrant widget]

Yeah

Rick used to too

And his was faster

Which is probably why it got toned down

I get the hate for Finn jab but it’s genuinely logical

[celest wren]

Rick now literally has the worst jab in the game

[vagrant widget]

It’s a sword stab forward

Of course it has good range

[vagrant widget]

I’d say that’s still debatable

[celest wren]

Who has a worse jab than Rick?

[vagrant widget]

I don’t think it should get the title of worse jab

Jake has less reach

Garnets is slower and around the same tech

Reach*

Taz to an extent

Gave bro two years worth of endlag from jab 1 to jab 2 on whiff

[celest wren]

Garnets jab isn’t slower and it’s a multi hit

[vagrant widget]

Same active frame

Both are frame 15

Technically Rick’s is 14

[dark jetty]

Ngl jacks jab is def getting nerfed

So he probably will have it worst

Though if we talkin rn u could say beeylejuices jab jakes jab mortys jab garnet debately

The "buffs" didnt do much

[dark jetty]

U got dis bro try and break the top 250

Ricks jab is still useful the hitbox isnt acc trash on it

And its really 1 of the best jabs in terms of punishing

But its awful for netural , approaching in general before it was better

[celest wren]

And garnets jab is a multi hit

[celest wren]

It’s def not the best jabs in terms of punishing at all

U can’t punish a lot of things anymore

And any top of that the endlag his horrible

[dark jetty]

Ive honestly been punishing

Alot of people

With it

[celest wren]

What rank are u?

[dark jetty]

Still pretty good atleast how ive feel

Plat 2 11 rp from plat 1

Ive chseesed some master players

[celest wren]

I could punish plat players with fart bomb

So that doesn’t mean much

[dark jetty]

Ive only fought people above my rank

Highest ive fought was a master 2 player

The uh skibidi4mvs

If yk who that is

[dark jetty]

Been doing the same with fart bomb

People underesrimate the jab like it cant punish anymore

Still can tbh

Not in 1s 2s its pratically fine

His jab while nerfed still better then mortys jab

And jakes jab

Those 2 are js bad

You cant do much with jakes jab into combos and mortys jab 1 hitbox is awful

Rick atleast u can do like jab 1 jab 2 into whip

Or jab 1 jab 2 jump dodge sair

[celest wren]

It’s def not better than morts

[dark jetty]

Mortys jab is slow js like ricks in a sense like but the thing with ricks jab 1 is that the hitbox is still longer but mortys hitbox is barely out there with armathy

U also cant get jab into his whip into sair reliabely

Because sometimes that drops

Mortys jab isnt really used that much at all in his playstyle

Jab is js used as a get off me tool or js to get some dmg

If u can get ur whip input

Ricks jab is bad but still can do things js need my reverts and im good

[silent veldt]

No it definitely is

[celest wren]

Just bc u get more out if ur jab doesn’t mean it’s better

[silent veldt]

Nah but morty jab tiny as hell

[celest wren]

If we’re going frame data for frame data Morty’s is better

[untold flame]

lol

[vague robin]

tbh its better that way

ricks jab was crazy

[dark jetty]

That does not really mean much when the hitbox is bad

[celest wren]

I mean they gutted it and didn’t give him any approach tools so it’s more really much

[dark jetty]

His jab 1 is the smallest in the game i think

Rick being ale to get more out of jab is better then morty im sorry

[celest wren]

And that’s fine for him
Bc he doesn’t rely on it

[dark jetty]

Thats what im saying

Its not good

Its js pretty bad

[celest wren]

Ok being able to get more out of jab doesn’t make ur jab better than someone else’s

Rick has a bad jab to but going frame data for frame data Morty’s is better

And Morty jab is bad bc his other kit is so much better

Rick jab is bad and his kit doesn’t even make up for it

[dark jetty]

Not really js that its js bad in general

Ur not getting much out of it

Even if his other kit is good

STill does not mean his jab is better then ricks

Frankly his jab hitboxes are bad the setup it reqiores takes literally to much effort

And unlike rick they somewhat fixed his whip dropping

Mortys whip still drops alot js like ricks rocket on his jab 3

[celest wren]

Ur still talking about his jab setups and that’s not what I’m talking about

[dark jetty]

That does though it gives rick more options of using his jab then morty who literally cannot use in his playstyle besides a get off me tool

The frame data does not matter that much comparing the 2 because ricks jab hitbox is betger

Mortys is slow and small

[dark jetty]

Im just sayin

[celest wren]

Yah and that’s part of Morty’s playstlyle he has better neutral moves than Rick

[dark jetty]

U will never see mortys use his bad jab unless its for those 2

[celest wren]

Like why would u even be using his jab in the first place

[dark jetty]

Who rick or morty

[celest wren]

And that’s not how u compare jabs

Bro not what u can get off of it bc different characters have different play styles

[celest wren]

Morty bro

[dark jetty]

You would either be using his jab as a Get off me tool

Or for js dmg

Or you acc get ur whip input

And then u js do ur big jab combo

Thats really it

[celest wren]

It doesn’t even matter how much bigger Rick’s jab is if it’s way slower than Morty’s and his endlag jsut allows for a free set up

[dark jetty]

So does morty

His jab endlag is horrible

Im not saying his endlag is the worst but its up there

[celest wren]

Not as bad as Rick’s

[dark jetty]

Fair but i honestly cant really see a use of mortys jab

Rick u can argue it can does things for u

[celest wren]

U can’t punish him whiff a jab with ur jab unless u actually predict it

[dark jetty]

Morty bro js use his rock

Nades and up attaco

[dark jetty]

His startup is also bad i forgot to mention

[celest wren]

Bro why would u need to Morty’s jab bro ur not even getting the point

[dark jetty]

I js told u the point

I named 3 ways u would only be using it

[celest wren]

I’m not talking about why u would use it bro

[dark jetty]

Bro what 😭

[celest wren]

I’m jsut stating that frame data wise it’s better than Rick’s

[dark jetty]

You are confusing

Yes And i agreed that it is

But that does not really mean much when both their frame data

On their jabs are awful

Comparing the 2 wise

[celest wren]

Ur the one saying well he only uses for certain scenarios

[dark jetty]

Yes Because thats entirely

True

Is it not?

[celest wren]

That’s what I’m saying bro one character kit relies on jab and the other doesn’t and both their jabs are awful

[dark jetty]

But im saying ricks jab is acc better then mortys despite both being garbango in general

[celest wren]

Morty kit is so good that he doesn’t even need his jab

[dark jetty]

So is ricks kit not good anymore

Is what ur saying

[celest wren]

Ur saying it’s better bc of his combos and stuff

[celest wren]

Not when ur jab sucks

[dark jetty]

Im mainly saying it because his jab has more options

Then mortys entirely

[celest wren]

That’s not even what I’m talking about

[dark jetty]

So then how can u say mortys kit is so good it does not need

Jab but then say

Because ricks jab is not good his kit isnt that good

[celest wren]

Jab setups and ur jab being worse

[dark jetty]

U either are contridicting

Or this is sum else

[celest wren]

I’ve been saying that

[celest wren]

How am I contradicting bro

[dark jetty]

Morty only has

4 good moves

4 or 5

Give or take

[celest wren]

Ok what’s ur point

[dark jetty]

Ur saying that because ricks jab is bad that his kit

Isnt that good

But mortys kit is lets say medicore

[celest wren]

Yah bc Rick relies on his jab

[dark jetty]

That he does not need kab

[celest wren]

Ur not getting the point at all bro

What rank are u?

[dark jetty]

I js told u my rank already

U already are confusing

[celest wren]

I don’t remember

[dark jetty]

With how ur saying it

[celest wren]

Nah I said it clear as day

[silent veldt]

Iron giant's broken

Thank you

[dark jetty]

Ur saying it weirdly

[celest wren]

Morty jab being bad doesn’t matter for the character bc he doesn’t rely on it

Rick’s jab does bc that’s how all his set ups are started

[dark jetty]

Rick does not really only need jab speficially unlike other chars who need it

For their entirety

Like jack literally

Is founded on that

[celest wren]

Bro how do u start a combo with Rick bro

[dark jetty]

I start it with sair im ngl

Been abusing that

Way tm

[celest wren]

Ur in plat right

[dark jetty]

Plat 2 11 rp from plat 1

So id js say plat 1

[celest wren]

Idk even know why I’m arguing with u

[dark jetty]

We arent arguring

[celest wren]

I genuinely don’t even think u understand the game like that

[dark jetty]

😭?

I dont understand the game despite literally

Being 2 tiers

From diamond

That makes sense

[celest wren]

Yah bro diamond isn’t even a flex bro

[dark jetty]

Not even saying its a flex

Im js saying

[celest wren]

It’s doesn’t mean much

[dark jetty]

Ur saying i dont understand the game despite being almost

2 tiers

Js away

[celest wren]

Yah u don’t

[dark jetty]

From a tier where u could say good players are appearing

Ur statemet on that makes no sense

😭

[celest wren]

Oh it makes sense

[dark jetty]

Because i said mortys jab is worse then rick

My opinion is js invlaid

In my opinion

[celest wren]

No for everything else that ur trying to say about jabs

[dark jetty]

Not really no

[celest wren]

Like I told 5 times that comparing jabs I’m not talking about setups are how they will be used

And u still bring it up

[dark jetty]

And i also did compare jabs js str8 up

I agreed when i said mortys jab has better frame rate

[celest wren]

Yah morty frame data is better than ricks

[dark jetty]

But that does not mean

Much

Its not that noticeable

[celest wren]

Frame data means everything

[dark jetty]

Both have bad startup and endlag

Yes that matters but when their framerates and endlag

Are so unnoticeable

U couldnt really tell

[celest wren]

One was worse start up and endlag

Yes u can bro

[dark jetty]

If u didnt know morty or ricks endlag u would literally aussme

They have it similary

Because both were bad

The framerate isnt that big of a difference to where 1 jab js outclasses it cause better framerate

Jakes jab probably has better framerate or endlag then both or 1 of them but u wouldnt say his jab is any better

Besides the framerate

[celest wren]

That’s exactly what makes a jab good wym

[dark jetty]

I never said that wasnt

[celest wren]

Shaggy jab is short but it’s fast

So it makes it a good jab

[dark jetty]

Yes ITS short but fast but u would never say

Jake and im talkim abt jake rn

His jab is better then rick and.mortys

Because of they framerate

[celest wren]

What makes it worse than Rick’s ?

[dark jetty]

U could say velmas jabs are better then the 3 of them because hers are faster but u would say her jab entirely outclasses it

[celest wren]

If not frame data

[trail pond]

jakes jab kinda crazy tbh ngl

[celest wren]

Than why else

[dark jetty]

If we were talking abt his jab as a whole right

If u were to add into combos

[celest wren]

Jsut the jab not the set up

[dark jetty]

Im js saying

Lemme finish

[celest wren]

U keep bring in combos bro

I alr told u I’m not talking about that

[dark jetty]

Ur not letting me finish

[celest wren]

It’s like talking to a wall bro

[dark jetty]

Ur talking abt morty and rick

Im talking abt jake rn

[celest wren]

It is and his jab is better than Rick’s

[celest wren]

Idc

[dark jetty]

So then dont try and disapprove my point

It dont make sense how ur asking me that

And then i said IF

[celest wren]

Bro I have told 6 times I’m not talking about jab set ups

[dark jetty]

We were to add into combos

Ur talking abt those combosetups up for rick and morty

I said let me finish my point

And ur still yapping abt wtv

How can i explain something to u if ur not acc willing to read what im tryna tell u

But then try and act as if ur entirely correct

[celest wren]

Jsut say wtv bro

[dark jetty]

Okay so can i continue

[celest wren]

Bc I am

[dark jetty]

What im saying

No u arent bro 😭

[celest wren]

No one is stopping u bro

[dark jetty]

Okay so

Like i was saying

If we were to talk abt jakes jab

Compared to mortys and rick

His framerate is better then those 2

Im not gonna lie abt that

His range on his jab isnt that good

The startup isnt that good either but like i said

He has better framerate

[celest wren]

Ur saying nothing bro

[dark jetty]

Im not done

[trail pond]

😭

[celest wren]

U jsut said he had better frame data than said it’s not hat much better than u said his range isn’t good than u said he has better frame data

[dark jetty]

If we were to talk abt combos hypotechically would u say his jab is better then rick at combo yes or no

[dark jetty]

Yes his jab has better framerate but his startup isnt that good js like the other 3 compared to the other cast

[celest wren]

Like bro ur jsut talking

[celest wren]

No if u factor in combos than no what’s ur point

[dark jetty]

N no no

U see what i mean

[celest wren]

What?

[dark jetty]

If we were to factor in combos he cant combo at all with his jab

Unlike the other 2

[celest wren]

Ok what’s ur point

[dark jetty]

With the options he has compared to rhem

Okay so u agree

That he cant combo with his jab

[celest wren]

Yah what’s ur point

[dark jetty]

Yes or no

Okay so if we were talking abt their base jab

Js no combos

[celest wren]

No he can’t combo

[dark jetty]

No setups

Id agree

He has the better base jab

Js none of that other stuff in the way

[celest wren]

So what’s ur point

[dark jetty]

No im not done

So u agree he has the better base jab

[celest wren]

Hurry up bro

[dark jetty]

But if u were to include

Sets up and combos

[celest wren]

Yes bro I jsut said that twice

[dark jetty]

U wouldnt say he has the best

Yes or no

[celest wren]

No i wouldn’t

[dark jetty]

Okay then

Thats literally what im tryna say

That literally didnt even take not even that long to point out

[celest wren]

Bro everyone alr knew that bro

[dark jetty]

Okay but would u say his jab entirely

Is better then rick

With everything applied

[celest wren]

U literally jsut wasted my time and yapped about nothing

[dark jetty]

Js answer the question bro

[celest wren]

No it wouldn’t

[dark jetty]

Not dat deep

Okay then thats literally all u js had to say

U fr had to make it more difficult then it had to be

[celest wren]

Ur wasting my time

[dark jetty]

😭

You done nothing but go on abt stuff that could of js been finished in simple yes or nos

[celest wren]

Jake’s jab doesn’t have any combos but that doesn’t matter same with Morty’s bro

[dark jetty]

Thats all i needed to hear bro

[celest wren]

There not jab dependent characters

[dark jetty]

No no

[celest wren]

So it doesn’t matter

[dark jetty]

We not goin on abt that though

Were talking abt js those 3 and then u mention there are no jab dependent chars

[celest wren]

Huh?

[dark jetty]

Were talking abt rick morty and jakes jab

But then mention after

[celest wren]

Yah ik

[dark jetty]

There are no jab dependent chars

But there is bro

[celest wren]

Rick’s dependent on his jab

[dark jetty]

Literally jack ngl i cant even defend

That

[celest wren]

What are u even yapping about

It doesn’t matter about set ups when u can’t even hit ur jab

[dark jetty]

Bro you gotta be ragebaiting

[celest wren]

I don’t think u actually understand the game bro

[dark jetty]

Its not like their impossible to hit

They js require more effort

[celest wren]

No one ever said that

[dark jetty]

Never said that u did

Im js saying they arent

Ur taking it as if i said you said that they are js impossible to hit

[celest wren]

But not being able to hit ur jab and combo set ups being good doesn’t benefit u at all

[dark jetty]

Okay fair

Fair

[celest wren]

Yah I’m done I’m literally getting nowhere at all

[dark jetty]

But they js require more effort then most of the chars in this game who js click a button

And does everything

For u

[celest wren]

That’s what I get for arguing with a plat player

[dark jetty]

Whats ur rank

Like u downgrade

Literally anybody thats not near urs

Its acc crazy

😭

[celest wren]

What effort are u talking about everyone has moves that require like no brain cells to do

I’m grand masters

Btw

[dark jetty]

Ricks jab takes more effort to plan out and use then if unwere using joker who takes no effort and does his 40 50 ladders

[celest wren]

Bc u play ur little gold and silver players and think that what ur doing actually works against good opponents

[dark jetty]

I dont play silvers though LOL

Ive fought only plats higher or diamonds

Ur reaching

Cause ur gm

[celest wren]

Yah I’ve beaten everyone in the top 25 multiple times

[dark jetty]

Never said that it does literally explained that too you

What are u yapping abt

[dark jetty]

Okay ur point

[celest wren]

So me saying that having a jab that can’t connect bc it’s so slow and has so much endlag means something

[dark jetty]

Do i somehow have to beat top 25 players to somehow be in reach of ur understanding

[celest wren]

Nah but if u did u would understand more

[dark jetty]

And then i literally went on abt that point that its not impossible to hit and that it takes effort

Somehow makes that worse?

[celest wren]

It does make it worse

[dark jetty]

Does not make much sense if im going against people who are at a higher level above me and understand

The game fundementals

Alot more

And yet still beating them

[celest wren]

If u we’re beating them I wouldn’t be in plat bro

[dark jetty]

Cause the rp grind is bad

[celest wren]

😭🙏🏾

[dark jetty]

U cant even lie

[celest wren]

Yah ok keep telling urself that😭🙏🏾

[dark jetty]

U gain like 10 but then u would lose

Ur telling me its not LOL?

[celest wren]

I thought u win

[dark jetty]

Ye i was

I went from gold 2

To plat 2

In 2 days

[celest wren]

Nah u jsut said u be winning

So why bring up that u lose

[dark jetty]

Yes but i never said every match

Thats entirely ur assumption

Never said anything abt losing all my games

Im mentioning the rp gain

Ur talking abt entirely abt god knows what

[celest wren]

Yah so if u we’re really good like u say than u would not be plat

[dark jetty]

Aagin i got to it in 2 days

And im still grinding

[celest wren]

How did everyone get to grandmasters bro?

[dark jetty]

Not everyone is in gm

Stop

😭

Ur reaching

The top 100 yes

[celest wren]

I’m talking about the ppl that are in grandmasters

And in masters

[dark jetty]

They got to it either by being a daily player like hardcorefox

[celest wren]

U said the rp system is bad that’s why ur not higher

[dark jetty]

And grinding for hours

[silent veldt]

As self appointed adjudicator go back to talking about jabs it was much more fun

[trail pond]

so real

[celest wren]

Who appointed u that

[silent veldt]

me

[dark jetty]

Becuse the rp system sometimes gives u lil

Rp

Even after beating

People higher

[celest wren]

We got fans 😭🙏🏾

[dark jetty]

I beat a plat v and a diamond 2

Yet only gained 10

Does that make sense to you

[celest wren]

Yah ok

Jsut keep playing and winnin instead of arguing with me

[dark jetty]

U literally are doing the same

[celest wren]

Than I most follow what u say 🙏🏾

[dark jetty]

What tier are u gm in

2s or 1s

[celest wren]

I dropped down to 50

I used to be top 25

[dark jetty]

😭

[celest wren]

I stopped playing for about 2 weeks

I only play 1s

[dark jetty]

I havent been playing really due to sfhool

[celest wren]

Same

[dark jetty]

Highest im at rn

Is like 100-150

In 2s

[celest wren]

Do u even play 1s

[dark jetty]

130-150*

Ye i was on 1s in rick

At the start

[celest wren]

What’s ur rank?

[dark jetty]

But i didbt really like it

Because he felt off

So i switched to 2s

[celest wren]

Yah that makes sense u don’t even play 1s

[dark jetty]

Enviroment was better

I play 1s

Im gold 5 on stripe in 1s

[celest wren]

2s is less skilled

[dark jetty]

I have 2 mains

[celest wren]

Ur gold in 1s

Is crazy

[dark jetty]

I dont play 1s

Alot

I mainly play 2s

Now

[celest wren]

U quite literally wasted my time

I will never get back

[dark jetty]

That does not make any sense on what u js said 😭

You js said a bunch of nonsense for over 30 mins

[celest wren]

Imma go vent and say scum in other characters channel

[dark jetty]

Because i dont play 1s

I somehow dk much

Logical

[trail pond]

YES PLEASE

taz first

[celest wren]

U can talk to me when u hit diamond or something

[dark jetty]

Probably will be today

[celest wren]

😈

[dark jetty]

Anyway

[celest wren]

I doubt it

[dark jetty]

U wanna bet?

[celest wren]

Bro got a little bit to excited 😭🙏🏾

[celest wren]

Ur not doing it while being in this channel

[dark jetty]

No really

😨

But watch ill get to diamond

Rn

[indigo otter]

fk off... many characters are broken... the fact that he had a good opening tool didn't make him better than the rest... in fact, he wasn't even A-Tier

[vague robin]

rick was a jab bot

probably one of the biggest jabversus offenders

idm jab being mid if they buffed other things

[indigo otter]

maybe to you... to most people it was just an opening for more complex combos that took a lot of training to get right

[celest wren]

Bro doesn’t know what he’s talking about joker had 0-deaths with his jab

Rick was barely an a tier at best

Even with his old jab

Had a lot of counter play when u realize that’s the only move that he could throw out that was safe

[vague robin]

I said one of the best

that implies that there are other jabs better than ricks

[vague robin]

but thats the problem, rick relied on jab way too much for combos so his combo game used to be way too repetitive

[indigo otter]

maybe because it was his only tool to combos

[vague robin]

it takes time getting the combos but it was in essence the same combo with the whip perk

[indigo otter]

again, you're assuming people play like you... I didn't even use that perk

not to mention that whip is trash and you know it

[vague robin]

most of the top ricks used the whip perk before teching

💀

[indigo otter]

that hitbox is ridiculously thin and active for just 1 second

it drops a lot

[vague robin]

when did you start playing rick

[indigo otter]

I played Rick since release, but haven't touched since they ruined him

[vague robin]

then saying whip perk was trash is crazy to say when it was the only consistent portal combos

[indigo otter]

I said WHIP is trash, not the perk

[vague robin]

the reason i mentioned jab was crazy on rick

was because you could get too much stuff on it

really safe to throw out
jab into sair is crazy good
portal combo starter

jab into sair combos into itself when you were polymorphed

essentially creating a loop that was a free 60%

[indigo otter]

while others have infinite loops and 0tds...

60% isn't that much of a big deal considering the others

and considering how squishy he is

his damage comes from the combos

[dark jetty]

I finally got rick to diamond in 2s

Ranked 109

Goin for the top 100 now

Not gonna try for masters cause last day and ofc school

[celest wren]

No it wasn’t I was the number 1 Rick and never used his whip perk

[celest wren]

Def wasnt free and it required two long cooldowns to even do

So it was balanced unlike 0- deaths that took no cooldowns no skill and were 5 inputs

Yah jsut say yapping at this point

[white stag]

ric and mort

[supple crest]

Rick being fragile wouldn't be that big of a deal if he could dish out the damage to make up for it

But he just doesn't

Hardly any knock back either

[dark jetty]

Been abusing his sair mosrly

Kinda how i got to diamond today

From plat

[celest wren]

Bro ur playing 2s bro a lot of moves that don’t work in 1 do well in 2s

[dark jetty]

You literally js told me a whole lot of nothing

Because everyone knows this

But i did get to diamond literally today

Despite u doubting me

[indigo otter]

tbh I'm more anxious about the balancing than anything else, even ppg

Ajax teased that "everyone's getting a buff", and we all have reason to believe Rick needs something

[dark jetty]

I dont think hes gonna get buffed in the way we think

Theses are the same devs that nerfed jab 1 and buffed jab 3 as a discrete buff for the jab to be slower

More like reverts

The ppg im worried for

I dont want rick having yet another bad mu

Esp because their range and hitboxes for an assassin is crazy

[indigo otter]

if they don't buff Rick's jab I'm dropping him completely... Luckily ppg seem fun, so I'm willing to give them a try... If they are as disappointing as BJ (he's fun, but he has no real combo game), I'm uninstalling

[vague robin]

💀

whatever you say man

[celest wren]

Yah I got the proof lil bro I was the number Rick for a minute

Everyone else used the whip perk except for me lol

[celest wren]

I’m with u brother

[indigo otter]

I didn't either, and still had a 97% true combo without it... I mean, I don't think anyone should have a 97% true combo, but they gutted him too hard, and the problem wasn't really the jab

[celest wren]

Do u have a video of the combo

[indigo otter]

sure

https://youtu.be/sP8YkdC0IW0

this one is actually 94, but shortly after I got 97

you know how it is with MVS

[celest wren]

That’s nice but it’s not true my boy

U can di out at some point

[indigo otter]

it was true, and I did it every match, boy

[celest wren]

Nah the bot is set to dodge after Hitsun

Not away after hitstun

So it’s not tue

[indigo otter]

I won't argue with you

[celest wren]

There’s nothing really to argue

[dark jetty]

Rick prime skin

In the bp

It looks alr ngl i wish it looked better with his own anim but wtv

[indigo otter]

in all honesty tho, Rick has a lot of great skins... I don't even care about this one

sure, it looks great

but so do all the others

Future Rick is great, Mecha Rick is great

[dark jetty]

Its pretty cool i still will run seal team but future and mecha are great

I js thought prime would be more unique considering hes such an impo char

But hey give BLACK ADAM yet again another skin

But legendary

[indigo otter]

haven't got to that part yet xD

BADAM skins all look the same, just recolor --'

[haughty shale]

rick prime's head feels really off

the hair i mean

[nova trellis]

How do you add Rick Prime and just make him a rare skin with no unique animations or voice lines.

I don't particularly care about him as much as Evil Morty or anything, but still, I think he's a variant that clearly deserves more than just reused SEAL Team animations.

[dark jetty]

Ah im sorry abt tht didnt know

[dark jetty]

I dont get that they put in so much effort for evil morty but rick prime fr js is seal team rick with no unique dialouge or anything special

Atleast if ur gonna make him stand out maybe not give idk some of the same chars yet again BP SKINS like literally garnet and BA and superman debately considering he has already so much skins

[supple crest]

I can't even win games anymore. I'm completely stuck in platinum, any tips?

[dark jetty]

Get urseld a friend

And even if u are stuck in plat rn getting to plat is pretty good try harder next season

[supple crest]

I could just get good

Man I feel like I am doing good but it's rigged against the Rick and mvs is a bad and inconsistent game

[dark jetty]

Well we js gotta wait for a rework

Or buff

[celest wren]

Bc ricks sucks rn do what a lot of ricks are doing and wait for a buff

Save ur mental health

[dark jetty]

Yo we js got rick

Changes lets go

They acc touched jab 1

Golf club meeseeks acc got more knock back and lasts longer

[supple crest]

Yay

[celest wren]

How u know?

[white stag]

Patch Notes. Read them for once in your life.

[celest wren]

My fault lik bro i didn’t even know they had patch note

[white stag]

Every fighting game has patch notes.

[celest wren]

No sht idiot i didn’t know they had released them dummy

[white stag]

Well, it is an abnormality to release patch notes the day before the patch, so I can understand that.

[celest wren]

Yah I thought he was talking about the video they released

I haven’t watched it yes that why I asked where

[dark jetty]

The notes got posted

Though im indifferent abt the

"Buffs"

Like they made it so its 1 frame less

But is that acc a huge change

[indigo otter]

Lol... 1 frame for startup before charge... That's what we got

[indigo otter]

And Air Side Special nerfed again

[celest wren]

What they do The do to air side special how they nerf it?

[celest wren]

They basically did do anything about it at all

[indigo otter]

Oh, I meant Air Side Attack, not Special... It was nerfed again with "On-whiff cancel window delayed 6 frames"

[celest wren]

Yah I seen that bro why

He’s not that was his only Aerial approach move lol

Its range wasn’t even that good

Ana’s why they make his down attack have 12 be delayed 12 frames on whiff like that move was any good in the first place

Does pfg hate Rick or something

[dark jetty]

I fr cant tell if they trolling

[umbral grotto]

Yo guys what's going on. I just got the discord and I saw charecters and we'll. I main rick.

[indigo otter]

we'll see what's going on tomorrow

[silent veldt]

Yo sair does not need nerfs yo

like guy

[civic cloud]

wow guys they made jab a wopping one frame faster!!!

[tender ferry]

they didn't make jab faster, they made it 1-frame faster to do a full charged jab

[runic bluff]

https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1836029432785482061?t=Zganc1ihHjmxYOUm8XEqBA&s=19

[supple crest]

it would seem like it man

[celest wren]

Yo they deadass didn’t make his jab faster

They jsut made his charge time quicker

[supple crest]

lmao

by 1 frame too

wow rick is fixed thank you pfg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good job guys!!!!

[indigo otter]

it's official, Rick still sucks and his jab still doesn't connect to anything

time for a new main

and now it's actually harder to land dair

[raw drift]

did they kill the jab jab side air

[indigo otter]

on the bright side, PPG is fun to combo with

I'm fkn loving them... if you guys like combos, definitely try them

[silent veldt]

Wait what did they do to my boy

they removed like every jab follow up

this has to be a mistake

[rain knot]

his dair is so good now

[indigo otter]

I found it harder to land it after portal

[limber flame]

Rick is FIXED YOOOOOO

I'm SO HAPPY rn thank youuuuuuuu i can do beta stuff again it feels soo good

[celest wren]

What they do to my boy😞

[celest wren]

Really?

Idk imma have to see for myself a lot of Rick like to think there doing something until u put them against an opponent that has half a brain

Them not buffing his only good approach tool and nerfing is second best approach tool is so bad for Rick

[indigo otter]

let's see how long until they change their mind

[supple crest]

rick feels just as bad as he did before for me, I dont really notice a difference

[indigo otter]

I agree

[supple crest]

man Im tired of this, im ready to give up rick and just pick up a new main

[indigo otter]

You should definitely try PPG... They're a lot of fun, great combo game, decent damage

[supple crest]

real

best move

it feels so good to hit its always so funny

[runic bluff]

Jab to Fartbomb is the truth. Can also IAD out of jab 2 now

[raw drift]

Something must have gone wrong with jab two

[raw drift]

did they not list something?

[raw drift]

Also i don't think jab to fartbomb is like. real?

they can dodge

[celest wren]

Some ricks like cope and make things a up when they play

What rank were u last season

[celest wren]

It’s not gonna be long until they pick up a new character and become mia in the chat

What masters?

[raw drift]

its very tight, but you can hit jab > iad meeseeks > jet boots at high percents

if only air meeseeks could be canceled out of on hit

That would make Rick's combo game a whole lot better

[limber flame]

and meeseeks talk again when used 🥹 ima cry guys he's back

[raw drift]

they really gutted his melee interaction with this

we are not back

[celest wren]

That didnt take long 😭🙏🏾 @indigo otter

Back to reality

[indigo otter]

xD

[runic bluff]

Just a taste of what Ricks cooking up now. So many possibilities

https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1836241317644382695?t=jdUV_hbppZ9Uy6Gw3Y39qQ&s=19

[indigo otter]

it's blocked in my country

[raw drift]

That would be sauce if fartbomb was true

[celest wren]

Yah this all means nothing bc the bot isn’t set to dodge away after hitstun so there’s no way to know what’s true and what’s not

[silent veldt]

ive personally tested jab into fartbomb with dodge away and it's actually just not consistent

[raw drift]

Turn on the hitsun combo counter. It simply doesn't work.

The training dummy is kind of dumb

[celest wren]

Yah I assumed the guy u put the link in here is not the best Rick for starters

[celest wren]

Yah idk why they didn’t jsut model it after smash

But im not even gonna download the update for it seems like rick Is just as bad as he was before maybe even worse now that they nerfed his other good approach tool

Does PFG want ever Rick jsut to camp all game

First they gutted his Jab and now they nerfed his best aerial like what are we doing

[indigo otter]

and it's not even that he's a mage, since Bugs combos became easier

[celest wren]

Yah it’s not making any sense

I wanna know who has beef with Rick at PFG

[silent veldt]

PFG devs are Joker mains confirmed

[runic bluff]

Hitstun counter is inaccurate. It also drops when you portal them. Fartbomb after jab is true on mid weights. Just not heavies. But it's currently bugged where if you land it once it won't work again

And the bot is set to dodge away after hitstun. I do that for all my combos

[celest wren]

Wym it’s bugged where if u hit once it work again ?

I think that jsut means it’s not true 🙏🏾

[runic bluff]

If you jab fartbomb it'll work once per match but not again. Something is happening with the hitstun

[runic bluff]

From what I've gathered about jab fartbomb.
-Doesn't work on heavies
-Drops on medium weights after landing it once (Attack scaling may cause it)
-Seems consistent on light characters
-True while Polymorphed

Ill do further testing when I get off work

[white stag]

Polymorph use?

[proper dagger]

jab fartbomb has been consistent with heavies for me so far

[oak stirrup]

why the prestige morty skin got a nice animation and prestige rick didn't get

not fair

[white stag]

Because they took their time with the Morty one.

[silent veldt]

bcz they dont care about rick

[silent veldt]

that's weird

[proper dagger]

Could be luck, who knows

[supple crest]

and whats weird is he didnt even get an animation until just now, while rick already kinda had one thats different from default rick

[celest wren]

Of u can’t tell PFG doesn’t really like Rick

[indigo otter]

have you guys picked a new main yet or are you still trying to make Rick work?

[fickle copper]

They really took away jab jab sair?!?! Wtf is this game bruh

[indigo otter]

I read they actually fixed it, but I haven't tried it

[fickle copper]

Nah they took it away, it wont let you do it for whatever resson

[indigo otter]

"Fixed an issue preventing a branch into an Instant Aerial Dodge"

I thought they meant fixing that

[runic bluff]

You have to instant air dash now. Into sair or flying meseeks after jab one.
Input is up and away, dodge, then Sair or neutral special

[fickle copper]

Ima give those a try in the lab, tysm

Because i was getting frustrated

And playing as the ppg isn’t making it better lol. They are so hard to play 😭😭😭

[supple crest]

dude rick is so bad oh my god how has he still not been buffed

[raw drift]

iad is so inconsistent compared to the air dash sair

rick has nothing

[supple crest]

he really does have nothing

[runic bluff]

Yeah it takes some adjusting but once you have it down he feels so much better. IADs are kinda mandatory for him to compete now

Lot more technically demanding but massive reward when learned

[supple crest]

im ready to give up on rick

[celest wren]

What wulf sight is trying to say is that he has nothing

How did they manage to make Rick worse than he alr was before

[silent veldt]

Nah I'm making him work, it's not AS bad as I initially thought especially after adapting to the removal of jab jab sair, fart bomb is very fun to mess around with

[indigo otter]

how much damage do his combos do without polymorph?

[untold flame]

I thought Jab jab sair works if you IAD instead of jump dodge

[untold flame]

U can get 20-40 consistently off of reads/portal

[indigo otter]

always relying on portal?

[untold flame]

Getting 40 without portal would be pretty hard but it’s doable with a good read

Getting 30 is pretty easy

[indigo otter]

I'm talking only of true combos

[untold flame]

True combos like 20 max

[indigo otter]

...

[untold flame]

Excluding portal

U have jab jab sair jab jab meseeks and some fart bomb stuff

[silent veldt]

yeah thats what i mean when i say addapting

[untold flame]

Ah ok. Yeah it is weird bc of the muscle memory I have on Rick

[indigo otter]

for 20?

[untold flame]

I don’t have the exact number but yeah they should be close to twenty

Which is respectable for something that is true

[silent veldt]

polymorphed rick gets jab jab iad sair jab jab iad sair for 40 on di out

[untold flame]

I think he was also asking no polymorph

[indigo otter]

even polymorphed the damage is low

[untold flame]

40 is not low damage

[indigo otter]

I'm guessing they keep his damage low because of polimorph

I mean it's low for the investment and effort into it

[untold flame]

Doing jab jab iad sair twice is not high investment

[indigo otter]

2 bars?

for 20?

[untold flame]

U get most of it back because you are hitting them

[indigo otter]

with the riskiest jab in the game

[silent veldt]

i mean he has a kill confirm at 30 which is pretty cool

on di out

[untold flame]

I still think Jake’s jab is the worst

At least with Rick’s u can get good damage off of it

[silent veldt]

jab fart pad into jab fart pad into jump portal jump airwalk whip

[untold flame]

U got a clip of this?

[indigo otter]

everyone else is doing like 40 out of much less

that's what I'm complaining

even beetlejuice

[untold flame]

Apart from certain examples most characters require 1-2 iads for 40 damage off a jab

[silent veldt]

Not home rn I can clip it when I'm back

[untold flame]

Bet

[indigo otter]

it's probably not gonna last tho... I wouldn't count on that for long

[untold flame]

Wdym

[indigo otter]

they're not gonna leave a 30 damage true kill confirm in the game

it's gonna take a month and a half, but I wouldn't count on it being in the game for much longer

[untold flame]

Well yeah they have been taking them from every character so you are right about that

[silent veldt]

#combos message

(doesnt work consistently against most heavies)

[untold flame]

Ty

[celest wren]

They literally jsut buffed Jake’s jab and what u get off a jab doesn’t make ur jab inherently better

Rick’s jab is still high risk low reward

[dark jetty]

They fr did not need sair

To get nerfed

It was perfectly fine

[untold flame]

And it’s still worthless

[raw drift]

the finn vs rick matchup is so depressing

wish they'd actually improve this character

I don't think a "Hard" character should mean bad

[celest wren]

lol his jab is still better than Rick’s no matter how little he get out of it

[celest wren]

Yah it kinda sucks

[raw drift]

what character is jab fartbomb suppose to work on?

Training dummy doesn't dodge if its too close to the ground, waiting to land before dodging

but players wont wait

[untold flame]

As a Finn main I don’t think Finn shouldn’t be able to destroy meseeks with side special

[raw drift]

Its a combination of things

Finn is generally too low to shoot with laser. He outranges Rick like crazy. and is just a better character

[indigo otter]

What about Portal combos? How much damage does a true portal combo do currently?

[dark jetty]

Meeseeks gets destroyed by so many projectiles

Its not even funny

Its like harleys bomb where they can js get destroyed in an instant to most moves

Though the future of rick is js bad rn

May they acc fix him and stop nerfing moves that did not need nerfs

[untold flame]

Finn being too short is actually good for Rick because his side special can’t destroy laser which means he can cancel off of laser into combos

I actually use it as a mixup against a lot of Finn’s bc of the whiff lag on side special

[untold flame]

I feel like meseeks should take two projectile hits before being destroyed

[indigo otter]

how much damage does a true portal combo do?

[dark jetty]

Ezactly idm if its like projecriles

That are equal in strength or js more

Like tom and jerry rocket

Or the jerryshot

Or shaggy charged sandwhich

[dark jetty]

Im not even sure but what happended to his 0td?

[indigo otter]

no idea, I don't use 0tds

I'm just curious if his damage with portal, his most valuable resource, is the same same of a combo without portal

someone said jab2, sair, jab2, meeseeks was true, but isn't

can't connect jab after sair

[raw drift]

Not really? That means you can't pepper and pester Finn at a distance in most cases. Which, for a mage character, is not very good

[supple crest]

Finn destroys Rick and it's not even close

His range is too good

And raygun is basically useless against Finn in most cases since he's both too short and a horizontal fighter

Plus his projectile shield makes the already weak meeseeks even worse

[untold flame]

Finn is a character who is immune to projectile spam to begin with bc of side special and armored buns so him being too short to get cancel combos off your projectiles is good

It’s still a very hard matchup for Rick regardless though bc of how aggressive Finn can play

Against a Finn your only option is to bait him and punish majority of the time

[raw drift]

Any amount of damage Rick can get off is needed damage. You aren't getting needed damage on Finn. Even small laser peppering is needed but Rick can't get that.

And Rick's projectiles are far more committal than something like Marvin bubble. A slow, lasting projectile that can force options way more comfortably than anything Rick has

[celest wren]

Rick is just bad lol idk why yall keep tryna hype up Rick

[raw drift]

Even Bugs pie is better at forcing in neutral

[celest wren]

Yup

[untold flame]

Again Finn is immune to all projectiles so even if he was tall enough he hits one combo and he has armored buns. Characters like marvin and Rick will always be losing to Finn bc he is immune to setup, Morty is probably the best mage against Finn bc of stun gun just being fast

In general though I think they should make Rick’s laser hit regardless of height

[raw drift]

Marvin is not a losing matchup to Finn, arguably.

Marvin has a lot more space he can throw around.

[proper dagger]

I love the sound of Ricks laser not being useless against short characters

[raw drift]

Rick has nothing.

[untold flame]

It absolutely is lol. All marvin has is his dtilt disjoint

[raw drift]

and its a good disjoint

[untold flame]

Finn with armored buns is immune to half of his moveset

Which he can get off of jab jab dtilt

As soon as I have armored buns active all of the setups marvin relies on is useless

[celest wren]

I’ve been said this

[raw drift]

All I can say is that I've just had easier times fighting Finn with Marvin than Rick

Maybe someday Multiversus will put out a "Complete Rick Sanchez Guide" video to tell use how this character is supposed to be played

[untold flame]

I’ve had the opposite experience but to each their own

[runic bluff]

https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1836885834399899736?t=KTFVAPY_COdjZ1ipnoYotg&s=19

https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1836812834509848957?t=heY7XM5-kccI7PvZAnPRjQ&s=19

https://x.com/WulfSite/status/1836678924656418967?t=fxzs9XX96Vh6A-jNp_S1nA&s=19

Some sauce I've been landing

[dark jetty]

He does? Ive frankly found finn to be a 60 40 Mu

[supple crest]

Read up

[dark jetty]

The only thing i dislike abt the mu is side special his charged attacks and his armor and bmos range and it killing early

[dark jetty]

Ah i see

Then again ive been lazering him fine