Reindog

[last sable]

It's like they feel they have to overcompensatingly hinder their own OC. x3

[haughty marten]

we're literally supposed to just get stray hits off aerial side b and pounce now

jab 1 into aerial is dead

cant kill cant get significant damage

why play reindog when you can just play gizmo now

[junior canyon]

they genuinely hate this character bruh

[haughty marten]

but noooo bugs is okay where hes at

[bright ibex]

because I only care about the silly dog, next question

[haughty marten]

W mentality

i love dawg too

bugs untouched for the second patch in a row btw

[junior canyon]

mascot privilege fr

[haughty marten]

how do we even play the game anymore

jab sair was already inconsistent af because of di

[bright ibex]

jab uptilt upair

[junior canyon]

pray you play against a literal toddler at this point

[gritty holly]

what did we do to deserve this

[bright ibex]

killing off the top my beloved <3

[haughty marten]

up air dont even kill no more

[gritty holly]

they genuinely must hate this character

[bright ibex]

the hitbox goes like halfway down the dog so you can scoop people and kill off the top insanely low but. yeah it's not killing from low on the stage or midstage anymore, you have to hit it high to kill off the top.

[junior canyon]

at this point just remove reindog from the game they clearly trying to erase him 😭

[bright ibex]

the funniest interaction I have is when I charge crystal, someone jumps up to go destroy it and I upair them and they immediately die

leave my crystal alone. I dont even use the follow perk, smh

[gritty holly]

its hard to get any of the moves that make him a mage off

[bright ibex]

air fireball (and grounded, sometimes) is pretty easy to incorporate but yeah. I end up using the orb almost never. Crystal almost only when I get a kill

[haughty marten]

full ass second of endlag on ptoo that hasnt been addressed yet

yeah this character suuuucks

[last sable]

It's always funny when they put themselves into danger to chase the crystal.

[spiral sundial]

reindog endlag nerf is crazy

[fickle wolf]

they gutted him?

[spiral sundial]

FRRRRR

[sick totem]

I can't believe the dog was nerfed again🤦🏾‍♂️

[shell cargo]

Reindog broken propaganda is working

I'll keep spreading it 💪

[haughty marten]

you play joker bro

please stop

[shell cargo]

Stop me

[haughty marten]

i literally cant 😭

the dawg joker matchup is horrible

[shell cargo]

I have fought a whopping 0 reindogs as Joker because everyone is too busy playing WW Bugs and BA to play Reindog

[marble frigate]

What was the patch? I have no idea where to find any notes RN as I'm at work and can't use the website it seems

[sick totem]

No cuz I have to work so hard to compete with joker😭😭

He has so many killing moves and so many combos and his moves are just bigger than mine almost across the board

And recover because it comes up is not really viable against him

[solemn steppe]

maybe... who knows? i feel like a dev looking to balance reindog might wanna come to the reindog channel to try and understand how everyone is feeling about the character

[sick totem]

His jab into dodge and then repeat combo is abused

And then it leads into rocket😭😭

Amd the damn crowbar

I wish it was😭😭

Don't ask me how they came to the conclusion that reindog needed another nerf

After he was already not a high tier, and after they already nerfed bim

[solemn steppe]

i'm honestly happy they're focusing on nerfing loops

i think their gameplan is to nerf broken character strats and then see where the dust settles

if that's the case, i hope that in the future they can just play the character and understand that he just does less than everyone else in the cast due to his low knockback, dmg, and high recovery/startup

reindog has always been in this position, unfortunately, when compared to the cast. he's always lacked a lot and it used to be because he had the "support" role. now that he's a "mage," they've hard nerfed his projectiles and it's just really weird

i hope this character is eventually addressed since i've noticed almost every rein main dislikes the current state he's in

we're stuck in this situation where like no one plays the character so they don't really care about giving him the attention he needs (that's how it feels, anyways)... but because they don't want to give him the attention he needs to feel like a good character to play, no one wants to play him...... so he's in a never-ending loop like he was in the beta

[haughty marten]

if they didnt give him the attention he needed we would be like marvin where he hasnt gotten a patch note

[haughty marten]

they removed the jab sair loop without giving us any compensation

which is like fine okay he's not supposed to combo much anyway
but it's another slap in the face when we were hoping for buffs to underutilized parts of his kit, like ptoo

especially when characters like bugs have gotten away for free for yet another patch

[silk eagle]

The best skin for reindog

[haughty marten]

they actually went further than just removing jab sair
they removed jab aerial entirely

fine they can remove loops in the name of balance

that's okay I support that

but bugs nair nair nair nair nair still exists

[icy crow]

How does some hate Reindog when Finn & Harley is right there???

[solemn steppe]

my spidey senes are tingling... I sense... more waiting? yeah... just... more waiting.... hoping....

[silk eagle]

(and shaggy)

[last sable]

Every time someone complains about Finn, I remember early beta where his backpack had a vortex effect.

He used to be so much worse, count yourselves lucky.

[solemn steppe]

are you playing now? because it's in the live version of the game now

[last sable]

No no, like even if it got nowhere near you it drew you in.

[silk eagle]

the beta backpack had me punching the air i hated that move 😭

[solemn steppe]

still happening to me 🥹

[haughty marten]

finn actually got off so easy
most hated character in beta > well this character is decent now but not top tier

[solemn steppe]

just wait

[last sable]

The current version is nowhere near as bad as it used to be, I haven't noticed the vortex at all when fighting or using him.

It's easy to hit with the backpack mind you, but it doesn't seem to pull you in.

[solemn steppe]

finn can do whatever he wants. just wait for some really good finns to come out

[haughty marten]

God up tilt on finn is so damn big

[last sable]

If they don't end up making her a seperate slot with moves from her new series, Fionna will definitely end up a Finn skin.

And then, Finn will be unavoidable.

I'm a bit surprised I don't run into more people with the Fern skin, people loved Fern.

[silk eagle]

I see a bunch of ferns, but they’re usually finn mains

[sick totem]

Does reindog even have a good match up? It feels like against so many characters you just have to actually be better while they can get away with stuff so much easier

I do enjoy the challenge sometimes and it's very rewarding when you win with reindog but I wouldn't like every match to feel like I'm already starting behind

[haughty marten]

we have a good mu against Jason on the grounds that Jason just loses to everyone atm

[solemn steppe]

it's how you play the game in hard mode difficulty 🙂

enemies have increased hp, dmg, speed and lower startup & recovery. that is literally the modifier that's turned on when playing reindog

[rapid field]

nerf this character

[sick totem]

Yay we get the character that just has a bad match up aginst everybody😂

[quasi ice]

tfw you might be one of the half a dozen of players who are responsible for the character's positive WR

And are also indirectly responsible for the character getting nerfed over and over (because apparently Reindog absolutely cannot kill or have a loop or have a positive winrate no sir)

[haughty marten]

actually wait i think we were exaggerating his losses this patch

bro kinda eats

[warm cosmos]

reindog lore

[last sable]

I'm still wondering why he talked in the latest rift. Since when can he do that?

[haughty marten]

i dont think he can

[last sable]

What was the deal with that then? It almost feels like they used the wrong character for the dialogue or something.

[haughty marten]

definitely slowing the game down and whiff punishing with air side b, pounce, and jab 1 2 up tilt up air is a great strategy for 1s

although i do feel like other characters on the upper end of the tier list could do it better

[haughty marten]

idk pfg forgor maybe

I don't like the idea of the homie talking

[last sable]

Yeah, it's a little strange but they just had him talk out of nowhere right before the boss fight in the computer rift.

[solemn steppe]

he's always been able to talk

i think they had issues with the previous voice actor, idk

[last sable]

Has he? When did he do it before?

I know NPCs have mentioned him "saying" things but I figured they just understood animals for whatever reason.

[haughty marten]

maybe id be less sus of it if he
a. talked like Scooby
b. said rawrf or something and then said [whatever he wanted to say] in brackets

but alas, we got "uhh team? figured out what's happening in the rift"

character destruction imo

[solemn steppe]

i think it's like part of his lore and he had some guy's name in his data mined files for voice actor

[onyx pelican]

I haven't seen anyone play this character yet so I wanted to ask y'all what y'all think of Reindog in the current meta.

[quasi ice]

You haven't seen him because almost no one plays Reindog. He was the second least played character at some point, right above Velma, and with her getting buffed, he'll probably eventually occupy her spot as the least played character

I'm sure even at that point they'll keep nerfing him though because apparently some loser keeps feeding them false info about him being "really solid S tier almost SS" and then PFG looks at Reindog's positive WR and goes "hmm yes it clearly is because this character is busted, and not because only half a dozen of people who have been playing the character since the beta and know all his moves intimately have been 'artificially' driving up his WR %"

So the meta is not to play him unless you really enjoy his gameplay and are aware that they might keep nerfing him

[unique grove]

Its not that Bad since all character that are better than reindog got worse nerf

[solemn steppe]

he's dog. as in dog crap. as in terrible.

you play reindog only if you're a masochist or just like the character because you mained him in beta

otherwise why would you subject yourself to a trash character that can't make the cut when you need him to? enemies will frequently be at 120+ and you'll be hitting them literally right next to the blast zone and they will just not die

it's crazy just how many times tonight i've hit an enemy that's been 120+ right next to a blast zone with his headbutt and they just don't die

they hardcore missed the spot when balancing this character

even his big kill move up air will disconnect half the time (same issue as in beta) and not kill people at 120+ unless they're literally sitting inside the top of the blast zone already

or are super light

if you're not against someone super light, it's the craziest uphill battle

because they 1 tap you since you're light and you just can't do anything

i can hardcore outplay tanks and bruisers but make one mistake at 60 and just die nowhere near a blast zone

even mages like T&J and Gizmo can hardcore kill people with insane knockback and fast attacks

joker is a mage, he's really good and can kill with so many options

nowhere near blast zones

why reindog? please give this character some love, pfg

#freereindog

he basically just got harcore net negative from the beta and that's insane tbh

wrecked his projectile game and he still can't kill. what's the point in playing him anymore?

the developers should be addressing this character and why no one wants to play him

they said this 2 days ago "On the balance front, our goal is always to make every character fun to play as, with, and against, so we’ll be continuing to tune and balance each fighter to provide the best possible gameplay experience."
so we're all looking at you, pfg

fix this character and make him actually good... like a serious threat, not some weak dog running around getting minimal value

[haughty marten]

this is just false, considering joker ww gizmo bugs are still op this patch

[unique grove]

reindog still has his loop

reindog is as good as joker right now

[haughty marten]

that's a huge overstatement

a loop on reindog isn't making him competitive with one of the best characters in the game

considering it only works low %

and is dubious to hit right now

joker still has better attacks than us in general, you know

yes we can beat joker by whiff punishing but isn't that just called being a better player?

comparing each skills uses with joker's we sort of get outclassed at each turn

[unique grove]

Reindog can do so much stuff

Even if loop wasnt still there

[haughty marten]

but joker can do more, no?

joker has more bs than reindog has

[unique grove]

he can do same amout

[haughty marten]

really

[unique grove]

Probably reindog won the mu now

[haughty marten]

I really don't think so

I feel like you think joker has less bs because you can mu check a lot with reindog

considering a significantly less amount of people play him over characters like joker

someone fighting reindog for the first time is going to have trouble dealing with his punish game because they know less about the character and his capabilities
does that make it bs?

the fact of the matter is that joker is killing us consistently below 100

can we avoid it? sure, just don't get hit
but that doesn't make our mu better

that's just called being a better player

[unique grove]

Reindog joker was even before , joker nerf now reindog win

its how it work in my brain

[unique grove]

Nope its with Bad disavadvange

Look at my result in eu with reindog lol

[haughty marten]

ok but youre also assuming the joker cant deal with our advantage here..?

my point is that you might just be better playering your opponents

[unique grove]

we can deal with his advantage

so even

[haughty marten]

considering his up kill power is significantly better than ours i really dont think so

you can say that our up air is good at killing but it requires sweet spot to do before high %

a lot harder to hit than joker just doing up air

[unique grove]

reindog kill at 120 and do more damage

his loop can deal 70 guaranted

[haughty marten]

but that doesnt change the fact that the loop is a lot harder to hit now, and is dubious to hit past low % considering you cant jump as early

and it doesnt change the fact that jokers kit is all around better in terms of damage and frames

im not saying we cant fight joker at all, but when we win its not because our kit is better, its because we are using a more effective strategy

[unique grove]

Not a lot to be honest, you can Ask the Jason im fighting lol

[haughty marten]

jason gets killed by every character, looping on him has no further consequence

[unique grove]

also tether is secretly broken and no one talk about it

[haughty marten]

not in 1s, no

[unique grove]

Yes in 1s

10 damage on average per tether

You dont believe in reindog

[haughty marten]

i do believe in reindog but 10 damage per tether, linked to a something like 20 second cooldown is not the kind of broken you think it is

[quasi ice]

Omg is this guy seriously calling tether broken

[haughty marten]

jokers grounded up tilt does 9 damage on its own

and is infinitely more spammable

[quasi ice]

Because it does 10 dmg

(on avg because sometimes I use it and the opponent dodges it when it reaches like 3 dmg)

This is some next-level copium if I've ever seen it

Also I'm fairly sure most characters have some sort of loop going for them

[unique grove]

I really Hope top reindog na become really good with the character

it will be easier for you to see

it seems no one want to play him a lot there

[haughty marten]

just timed it
tether is active for 5 seconds with a cooldown of 30 seconds

[quasi ice]

You can be really good with bottom tier characters yeah lol

[unique grove]

stop

[quasi ice]

Huh?

[haughty marten]

top players outskilling people with low tier characters is not reason enough to say that a character is broken

[quasi ice]

Reindog barely has any presence if at all in tournaments. Wasn't there a day 1 tournament? How many Reindogs were there?

[haughty marten]

i dont think reindog is bottom tier, but hes certainly not competitive with joker ww bugs

[quasi ice]

Even in Open Beta when he was substantially better he barely saw both ladder and tournament play

[unique grove]

I make Always in top 8 of Big eu tourney with reindog , looping people only 3 Times because thats the rules , beating joker player that can do 0 to death

[haughty marten]

the fact

[unique grove]

m'y own result should bé a proof that AT least he is not bad

[haughty marten]

the fact that joker can 0 to death

and we cant

[quasi ice]

I beat good jokers all the time in 1v1 as well it doesn't mean much

Without looping btw

[haughty marten]

is reason enough to place joker in a winning mu against dawg

[quasi ice]

Our wins might be due to the fact that people aren't used to playing against Reindog since LITERALLY NO ONE PLAYS HIM

[unique grove]

We can Di his 0 to death and our 0 to death can be di

[unique grove]

I litteraly beat people I played so much in beta liké they know how my character work

[haughty marten]

more so that they can just dodge out of our "0 to death"

[haughty marten]

is it, then, that our character is better?

or is it that youre a better player?

[unique grove]

Im not the better player

Its the same skill

its why for me its even it just make sense

I dont outplay really i just play solid and do broken loop when possible

they can Di and that's not a problem

[haughty marten]

in a meta where the top tiers are only spamming their broken stuff without much thought, "playing solid" and playing around their spam is enough to win

even slowing the game down by whiff punishing instead of approaching is enough to win

[unique grove]

playing solid is spamming fireball tether for damage and in disavantage if the opponent do a laggy move you can reverse and side b

[haughty marten]

yes i know i do this too

but every character can do this

[unique grove]

not as good as reindog do

[haughty marten]

its fundamentals, not character strength

[quasi ice]

That doesn't work on the good players lol

[unique grove]

yes it work

[haughty marten]

it does work on good players

[quasi ice]

If they download u it's over if that's all u do

[haughty marten]

its just fighting game fundies

[unique grove]

I already beat na player too with that

[quasi ice]

I mean "spamming fireball tether for damage and in disavantage if the opponent do a laggy move you can reverse and side b"

[haughty marten]

i dont understand the fireball tether part though

that stuff is laggy af and youre putting yourself in a position to get punished

[quasi ice]

Fireball tether is really safe I think that's what he meant but that's not enough to win matches

[unique grove]

Tamunokuro (with loops) , DavisMVS I beat even greetaku (only games against him)

for those I fought

And I talked only about the only n'a player i fought

(probably forgot some top na Harley)

reindog is stupid

its not just me

Everyone should see it

[haughty marten]

reindog is not stupid
on the contrary hes very honest

he doesnt have a lot of bs going on in his kit

tether is not bs, its tied to a 30 second cooldown and only gets around 10 damage per use

[unique grove]

Tell me an na reindog that can beat those or even take game

For me na player are not good enough with reindog for now

Reindog can do too much things that doesnt seem broken on its own but overall it make it broken

everything as a use

he is not easy to play nor bad

Im sorry to critize player but I cant convince you by talking in chat

It need to have other good player to prove it

[onyx pelican]

Damn that's rough

[haughty marten]

im gonna be fr its not as bad as fenris is making it out to be, but hes certainly not top tier

if youre playing reindog i dont see a reason not to use gizmo instead, unless you just really like the funny dawg

id say mid tier at best

[onyx pelican]

Ah alright

[marble frigate]

Myself and Josiah regularly complain about rein as a pair of the best reins in the beta

I don't know how things work over there for you in the eu side but I openly do not enjoy playing my character RN and it truly sucks

I do agree mostly with the statement listed above that 90% of the time I'm simply better or they don't know the matchup

[unique grove]

Yeah the character I think is different , personnally I like it. But dont liking a character have nothing to do with his tier

[marble frigate]

Name a matchup that isn't Jason that you find when played optimally from both sides you think that we definitely win

[stuck hearth]

Tbh reindog is really good he’s not that bad

[marble frigate]

I need y'all to cease using the terms good to define this character RN when bugs exists

I'm listening however to any points you can try to make

[stuck hearth]

What bugs u been encountering?

[marble frigate]

I'm not sure what that question is asking
Are you asking for player names?

I'm talking about bugs kit outright and general gameplay

[unique grove]

Jason is litteraly a +2, In term of for sure good matchup if played perfectly I think Finn that I dont doubt

the other character might go around even

[marble frigate]

I'm aware of how awful it is for Jason and just asked you to list anyone but him but I'm continuing now to read your post

[stuck hearth]

Oh I thought u were talking about bugs as in errors not the actual character

Bugs is easy for me to play against

[unique grove]

Bugs also probably

yeah

Forgot about him

[stuck hearth]

Ground side special one shots safe so he’s never able to use it against me

[unique grove]

fireball ignore pie also

Tether and firewall dont Care of bugs tunnel

[marble frigate]

I only speak on my disdain from the perspective of a character themselves not given player execution errors as that skews many things.

When I see an actual optimal gameplay from bugs against my optimal rein or replace bugs with such a large percentage of the cast, I find playing rein unenjoyable beyond him being a cute green dog with barely functional projectiles

[stuck hearth]

I need to use tether more I keep forgetting that it’s a thing

[marble frigate]

Tether is ok

[unique grove]

I am in grand final of a tourney right now and the update is the only reason I debate here lol

[marble frigate]

Mostly inconsequential for its uptime relative to the course of a game but free DMG sometimes

[pseudo garden]

how do you guys like rein

[stuck hearth]

Tbh only characters I struggle against on rein is Tom and Jerry others aren’t really that big of a problem

[stuck hearth]

Very good

[marble frigate]

These folks are saying they enjoy him. I listed my reasoning for enjoying him. But objectively I find other characters better

[stuck hearth]

That’s ok I still enjoy playing rein more than other characters

I also love lebron

[unique grove]

Even with perfect play in mind reindog beat bugs, bugs cant do anything in neutral to beat reindog

[marble frigate]

Your experience against players of caliber might differ from mine and that's okay

Tom n Jerry definitely hurts

[stuck hearth]

Who’s been ur struggles?

[unique grove]

Fun combo and fun moves to play with

[marble frigate]

I don't have specific players that I struggle with. It's the characters and their ability to play the game more consistently than the character im playing by virtue of being rein in this iteration of the game

[stuck hearth]

Fr lol I bully bugs on rein they can’t do anything

[stuck hearth]

Yea by that I meant characters not specific players

[marble frigate]

Have you never been killed by bugs upair at 60

[stuck hearth]

Not really

[unique grove]

Reindog is a constant character like I dont see a character I have to outplay hard to win and never want to see in my bracket

[stuck hearth]

80 is the least I died by up air

[marble frigate]

I don't know how that's even possible but I'm glad for your experience. You must be having a lot more fun than me somehow

[unique grove]

Personnally I always do result around my seeding or better

[marble frigate]

I watched a shaggy (decently heavy character but that's not saying much) die at 23 to bugs

[stuck hearth]

Only thing that is making the game unenjoyable for me is the constant lag and game disconnects

[unique grove]

Because of Bad Di

and probably outplay

[stuck hearth]

That’s actually very crazy

[unique grove]

If I die to bugs AT less than 80 its just outplay for me

[marble frigate]

I can grab the clip for you. Shaggy pulled a sandwich and got hit by rocket into upair and died

[stuck hearth]

Yea same

[marble frigate]

If anything I can attribute that to mojo's stage having a lower ceiling than normal

[stuck hearth]

I want to see it lowkey

Send it

[marble frigate]

Yet I have never seen that on any other character

[unique grove]

Also yeah the map

[stuck hearth]

I hate mojo’s stage so bad

[unique grove]

this doesnt help

[stuck hearth]

Need it removed asap

[unique grove]

If you want to see m'y reindog you can go on onlinewithbobo stream when the game is out again

[stuck hearth]

What’s ur fav move on reindog

[marble frigate]

My point being that bugs upair having as big of a hitbox around his body and the ability to consistently kill with it around 60-80 relative to where we as reindog find ourselves killing people in similar circumstances does not make for my understanding of how you think that matchup is okay

[stuck hearth]

I love ground up and air side special

[unique grove]

Aerial Side special or up air maybe

up ground is fun also

[marble frigate]

Both of those moves are solid although there are many times I wish aerial side special had a liiiiitle bit more horizontal coverage

[stuck hearth]

Up air is abit bugged and it irritates me abit

[marble frigate]

Upairs angle of knock back/how often it drops are the biggest pains to me on that subject

[stuck hearth]

First hit just touches people and don’t knock them up sometimes

[unique grove]

the hitbox is on all of his body that's very fun

[unique grove]

To bé honest its an easy move to parry on my side

[stuck hearth]

I play bugs sometimes too and I can’t like that his kill potential is really good

[marble frigate]

I don't understand why so many moves in this game are like this where even when a weapon isnt used to be a sort of disjoint outright beats some of our attacks/doesn't even trade

[unique grove]

or just dodge

[stuck hearth]

Yea avoiding it for me is also easy

[marble frigate]

Dodging the upair on reaction is fine when it's used raw. Avoiding it when youre strung along into a scenario of guess the timing of when he swings and if he swings is tragic

[unique grove]

Against bugs up air you can easily whiff punish

its a move well balanced

[marble frigate]

If you read them ye

[unique grove]

not a read

Just reaction

[stuck hearth]

I use my air up special to escape most attacks when I’m in trouble u should try that too

It gives u good momentum

[marble frigate]

You'd be reading their timing and whether or not they try to read your dodge

A bugs being below you threatening with upair is p scary for the reasons I mentioned

[stuck hearth]

Dodging up attacks on reindog is kinda troublesome so try to avoid better

[unique grove]

You can react when you see thé startup or because you are in juggle you pay more attention to that

or you can try to avoid all of that by side b

[marble frigate]

Again, a raw upair is no problem
Being hit into disadvantage and setup into the guess for your life scenario is not so dandy

Dodging like I've never played the game before, of course, I would expect to simply get hit Everytime or at least most of the time

[unique grove]

When in disavantage its the moment its easier to dodge/parry because you know its gonna be there you just have to wait it

[marble frigate]

They can also wait. I'm aware of how to play the scenario and my options therein

[stuck hearth]

When it comes to going against bugs when ur in disadvantage reading him is really easy

[unique grove]

I think that you dont understand that we can just react to his startup

because thats the Key to be safe against bugs

[stuck hearth]

Yea i think it’s most likely a skill issue from ur side

[marble frigate]

I think I'm well aware

[stuck hearth]

But that’s ok

[marble frigate]

I assure you my skill is not in question here

We were talking about how early it kills relative to p much anything in our kit

And for some reason we're on the "just dodge it" tangent

[unique grove]

The only move that can be hard to dodge parry correctly is nair but it does no damage

[stuck hearth]

Reindog also has early kill potential

[unique grove]

Yes it kill early but if you get hit its either true combo or better player

[marble frigate]

Name an attack we have that kills at 60

[unique grove]

up tilt up air

[marble frigate]

Without the opponent being p much already in the blastzone

[stuck hearth]

I usually combo ground up and then jump really high and use up air it sucks them upwards then kills

[marble frigate]

Uptilt pushes them toward the blast zone

[unique grove]

yes

[marble frigate]

I asked for a single move

[haughty marten]

I find up tilt up air to be inconsistent at securing the kill early

maybe skill issue tho

[unique grove]

Reindog doesnt have kill move but kill confirm

[haughty marten]

hard for me to find the timing and spacing

[unique grove]

Its différent but its the same

[marble frigate]

Because uptilt lifts them toward the blast zone it's possible depending on the ceiling blastzone of the map

[stuck hearth]

That doesn’t make sense bugs also can’t just kill at 60 with one up air unless he sends u upwards first

[unique grove]

jab 1 dtilt , sair side special/up air, up tilt up air are the most commun

[haughty marten]

yeah but a lot of the time I get the diagonal hitbox

[marble frigate]

He kills you from lower on the screen than uptilt upair can place you

[unique grove]

Up tilt up air can be Di

[marble frigate]

It should be always diagnonal

[stuck hearth]

That still isn’t one move

[marble frigate]

My problem is the dropping of the upair

[unique grove]

yeah that just sucks but its Always in moments that you know it wont connect

I cant explain but I dont find it unfair when it happen

because I knew

[marble frigate]

Bugs swinging up air because of your position on screen is lower and one attack

Uptilt upair pushing you higher up and being inconsistent even then in this context is both two attacks that you have to get in neutral/dependant on other factoes

[haughty marten]

sometimes the diagonal kills and sometimes it doesn't lol

[marble frigate]

We love inconsistency

[unique grove]

Also it can help juggle

[marble frigate]

When other characters don't have that problem as often or at all

[unique grove]

Today it was helpfull against a joker

[marble frigate]

Juggling is cool. Killing them is better

[unique grove]

juggle is litteraly for killing early

[marble frigate]

As tired as my brain is reading this debate, Anyone wanna play 2's?

[unique grove]

and if you dont juggle you can just find damage

Go on onlinewithbobo stream I will play by grand finals

[stuck hearth]

That still isn’t really hard to get out of there is still a lot of other characters that have crazy kill potential

[marble frigate]

Juggling them and killing them don't happen in the same instant

[unique grove]

bye

[stuck hearth]

Finn can do 0 to death

[stuck hearth]

Twitch?

[marble frigate]

Not sure why you felt the need to say goodbye as I'm still here. Kinda rude

Just mentioning my disdain for this back and forth

[unique grove]

yes

[stuck hearth]

Bet

[marble frigate]

I've witnessed some of these routes and I like the way they look visually. Tragic to be in burnout when they go for kt

[stuck hearth]

I’m not disagreeing with u that bugs don’t got crazy kill potential but we don’t complain as much is because bugs playing against reindog is in huge favour to reindog because it’s an easy match up

[stuck hearth]

I unfortunately was killed by the Finn 0 to death combo

[marble frigate]

I would like to see y'all play against mirror man and show me

I'll take your words for it

[haughty marten]

idk I find bugs a lot more oppressive, being able to control neutral with safe and kill early with up air

[stuck hearth]

I played against countless bugs good and bad and I usually win most of the matche up

[haughty marten]

while we can beat a few of his options it's more of he kills me before I can kill him

[stuck hearth]

If I can play against mirrorman I would like too

[marble frigate]

Play against the optimal bugs I mentioned

Ye

Id like to see how it goes

[stuck hearth]

Who are they?

[marble frigate]

The best bugs decisively

I still see them floating around but def a menace in the beta

[stuck hearth]

If u can find a person for me I can try

[marble frigate]

I'm pretty sure they stream

[stuck hearth]

I have 900 wins on reindog not much but I love the character

[marble frigate]

Between the iterations of the game I have like 7k

[stuck hearth]

On reindog?

[marble frigate]

I played on a couple different accts and kept bringing myself back to rein on each

Ye

I've been playing a loooooong time

[stuck hearth]

That’s really impressive

[stuck hearth]

I’m also from the beta

[marble frigate]

Do you like what they did to our boi with the beta in mind?

Ptoo my beloved. Look what they did to you

[stuck hearth]

I like reindog more now than in the beta

Beta was lowkey kinda miserable

[marble frigate]

What didnt you enjoy about the beta?

[stuck hearth]

Most moves beat rein’s move but in the release it seems he beats most now

[marble frigate]

My woes with the beta lied in the abundance of loops/cheese/and leniency of just swinging haphazardly

[stuck hearth]

And up ground is better

[marble frigate]

Uptilt feels roughly the same to me although without the massive window of lag they added in the beta on whiff

So yeah

[marble frigate]

A lot of attacks I feel like we can def outrange relative to the beta where trading wasn't as prevalent

[stuck hearth]

It feels better for me cuz In the beta it would get beat by a lot of down airs even tho mine connects first

[marble frigate]

It'd be nice to have all attacks that feature a character using their body to attack would trade tho instead of an increased volume

[marble frigate]

I feel this post in my soul

[stuck hearth]

Frrr

[marble frigate]

A lot of dairs in the beta definitely had the advantage of startup which I think attributes pretty heavily

(Relative to the visuals that would suggest the startup of those mentioned attacks being slower)

[stuck hearth]

Do u feel like the dair for rein feels kinda bad in the release than in the beta

I feel like it’s much weaker now

I can barely hit with it

[marble frigate]

The primary thing about release dair I don't like is how little space it threatens during the charge

In the beta you could hold it and drift more than you can now where it restricts that and your dair doesn't have nearly as big of a window to threaten space with

[stuck hearth]

Yea I feel like it’s hit box has been massively reduced

[marble frigate]

Also, outside of edge guards I find it not killing very often compared to the beta

Which still isn't saying much

[stuck hearth]

Yea I never kill with it so I just use fireball

[marble frigate]

^ at least we still have that off the ledge

I will never get tired of locking down wall huggers like that

I want my ptoo cancels back

[stuck hearth]

Yea they need to fix his dair

[stuck hearth]

Also what’s that?

[marble frigate]

This

https://youtu.be/az3HQ37kQ7k?si=LsKEKiKMhjucv0Qk

[stuck hearth]

Ohhh I see

[marble frigate]

Instead of putting yourself into a years worth of endlag (like ptoo does currently) you could utilize the charge itself to threaten the idea of firing the projectile and instead have an abundance of mixups that opened up a nice dynamic for his gameplay

I was one of the very few reins that actually used it

I'll share a gameplay clip where I use it in function

https://youtu.be/ZV5HS8t33Cw?si=j-23ksQd09OIKkDR

https://youtu.be/qRmzQR1d0LY?si=gzMm15eHMQ0q2Y1C

Either of these

[stuck hearth]

Ight bet gimme a sec

[marble frigate]

This one's p direct to see it's utility as a bait

https://youtu.be/gswGUk1Y38o?si=XH4gmuVaIeErvNI_

That's all I'll send for RN here I'll just dm more if interested

[stuck hearth]

Yea sure

That will also help me improve on what I’m missing

[marble frigate]

A lot of what you'll see in my videos are beta footage but I'll send what I can grab of current game

[unique grove]

I won a tourney with reindog

[marble frigate]

Any good players in that bracket?

Also Im still looking for actually solid games to capture
Everyone so far has been awful

I'm just playing whiff punish simulator it's so boring lol

[solemn steppe]

it certainly is as bad as i'm making it out to be 🙄

this character is so bad

[haughty marten]

we still have decent whiff punishing moves like up tilt air side b and pounce
it could be a lot worse than it is right now

[solemn steppe]

i'm legit outplaying everyone and getting what should be kills at 120+ consistently right next to the blast zone and ppl aren't dying

multiple attempts

still not dying

every match is like this

i can't imagine people are using magic to have increased knockback

because this is so bad

like objectively compared to the roster

in 2s you legit make your team worse when going for kills with your teammate because it overwrites their good knockback with your trash and enemies won't die where they would have

please try to give me reasons why he isn't as bad as i'm saying. i would love to hear something, honestly. i think he has some good things to him, sure, but holy cow is he terrible when compared to like 99% of the roster

btw i know i sound heated but i'm just upset at the character and pfg, not you or anything

i'm spamming matches with him nonstop. spamming matches. spamming them so hard lol. i'm playing so much reindog. i tried out other characters too. he makes 0 sense

why do i have to try roughly 3-5x harder than everyone else to kill someone inside of the blast zone?

i'm legit right next to blast zones and people just won't die at high %s, ignore the map

it's crazy because literally like half the roster can kill you from one side of the map and you'll die on the opposite end

mind you, i'm winning a ton of matches. but that is solely because i have to hardcore play out of my mind against everyone who presses one button and does what i can do in like 4 buttons

anyone who plays multiple characters and has a lot of matches under their belt should know what i'm talking about when they pick up reindog

[solemn steppe]

sad

pain

[golden owl]

He kinda suffers from the same fate Marvin does but that doesn't necessarily make them terrible. You're spending the whole game spacing out your opponent and dealing a ton of damage till eventually you hit them off stage and have to try your hardest to keep them there. Rein's combo game is pretty good (mainly cause sair) and his down fireball spikes pretty well. But yeah it can be frustrating

[solemn steppe]

okay but marvin has better kill pressure and disjoints, meaning reindog's experience is far worse

his combo game is meh

and marvin has faster startup and lower recovery on his attacks

so they're kinda in completely different tiers

marvin can walk up to you and dtilt or dair and be safe (ignoring whiff recovery) compared to reindog who just loses out on attacks because his hurtbox is his hitbox and it doesn't extend really anywhere past him

even his best aggressive move with good priority, pounce, easily gets eaten by anyone whose hitbox extends past their body aka like most everyone in the game

i dont have a lot of hours on marvin, though, so i'd rather not talk about him too much

[golden owl]

I main Reindog and just picked up Marvin and can say they're not that far from each other. Marvin's kill pressure is NOT that much better and yeah his d attack is amazing but it also suffers from bad recovery and Marvin struggles with people that like to jump attack him oftenly especially cause they can just jump punish his zap. Reindog also has that problem but at least moves like d attack and obviously his up attacks work against that

[haughty marten]

marvin does struggle a bit with killing if rockets on cooldown

[golden owl]

Literally. Marvin doesn't have a reliable kill move outside of that. He has to do the same work Reindog does essentially

[haughty marten]

i find myself killing at 150+ a lot with marvin lol

[golden owl]

Yeah and that's Reindawg for you too. They're both going to try and get early spikes as much as possible or high air outs otherwise that's the norm

[solemn steppe]

well that's unfortunate

[dire shoal]

As a rein dog player how do u feel getting Jake as a team mate, personally as Jake I love rein dogs

[solemn steppe]

i literally never play with him so idk. ww feels amazing, of course. anyone that can make space for you tbh

[dire shoal]

Alrr

[last sable]

I kill pretty reliably with the dash or with the up air but I have to be pretty close to the blast line to do either.

I still think that's fairly normal though.

[quasi ice]

This character sucks ass

[haughty marten]

he really doesnt

you might just be overextending

[quasi ice]

No I'm winning most matches but I still think this character sucks

[haughty marten]

I think it's less so that he sucks and more so that he doesn't have as many options as the top tiers

when they eventually do get nerfed we'll be eating

he still could be a lot better (please ptoo buff) but I think it could be a lot worse than it is

[quasi ice]

What ptoo buff lol it's already strong

He's lackluster about other things not that

[haughty marten]

arguably ptoo is the worst skill in his kit

too much startup and endlag and not enough reward to be useful in any situation

[quasi ice]

Oh you mean his neutral projectile?

[haughty marten]

yeah

you might be thinking of fireball

[quasi ice]

Yeah I was my bad

[haughty marten]

which is one of the best tools in his kit

[shut briar]

hey does anyone have a good strat for playing this dood in 1v1s

i assume hes not meta but idc

i know hes better in 2s but i like 1s as a mode better imo

2s is too chaotic for me

unless im with a friend

[golden owl]

I kinda play off Lightning Gem. Most people will try and destroy it especially if it's messing them up. Leaves them vulnerable to jump up tilt. Side Air is good for starting combos and projectiles are good for space control. Kinda have to go for early spikes with him tbh

[marble frigate]

https://youtu.be/b-TdX1kYCyw?si=7n3nAq1QJyd_3zFP

My patience has only so much to give to this game

[night crane]

best combo for reindog?

[solemn steppe]

wow i'm getting so many clips today where his pounce and headbutt (forward special ground/air) are LITERALLY going entirely through an enemies hurtbox and they're not even dodging 😂 this character is more and more of a joke every day i play him

[manic zenith]

yeah had that a few times too

[haughty marten]

jab 1 jab 2 up tilt up air

[night crane]

wdym by up tilt?

[haughty marten]

grounded up attack

[night crane]

oh alr thanks

[sick totem]

Just came here to say I totally love fighting a finn and they live to 154 and then I die at 100🙃

[quasi ice]

Yeah several of his moves straight up go through the enemy or clearly touch them but do nothing

But I think the hitboxes in this game are just broken after it came back

[sick totem]

I haven't had had any hitbox trouble

[haughty marten]

cant speak for everyone but ive definitely had hitbox trouble with pounce

[quasi ice]

Can PFG please make the tether more responsive

I keep missing it because of this stupid fkin delay

[night crane]

you should see iron giant

he gets to like 230+ and still doesn't die

[quasi ice]

https://packaged-media.redd.it/vsk0ru58qu6d1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1718524800&s=ea65d9702ad4f6e49543599a00d27c7df0460b72#t=0 00:07 seems like bad hitboxes are just universal

[solemn steppe]

they were broken in beta too lol

i also think maybe reindog's hurtbox could be an issue

cause i get hit when I really shouldn't and it's too consistent

[quasi ice]

They were, but I genuinely think the hitboxes are worse now

In the open beta I used to miss some attacks that were pretty questionable but now it's very blatant when something shouldn't miss

[solemn steppe]

true

very true

because i uploaded videos of reindog's hitbox issues

from beta

and i have clips from this new launch

and it's worse

[dull marsh]

I think the net code is maybe at fault too but I also think that they are most likely the same hitboxes but now that everyones size has universally increased it is just way more noticeable to see the bs with some of them

[jade sand]

this character is so dookie

[haughty marten]

rein homies we actually thriving
57.3% win rate in 1s what happened

[sick totem]

I figure most of us are from beta and already know the kit well emebough to use his tools asbm best we can😂

[haughty marten]

lool

[sick totem]

How you find that stat though, I wanna see

[haughty marten]

tracker.gg

[sick totem]

Bet

[haughty marten]

it will be funny to see joker players mald and call our dawg op because he has the winrate

despite there being a lot of bias in the dawg winrate

[sick totem]

Right? Acting like our character broken when we gotta work more for less lol

Wish I had a crowbar that hit like a truck or fast projectiles lol

[onyx hinge]

hi

[quasi ice]

Me when they inevitably nerf this character next patch AGAIN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltXzAWItTxI

[solemn steppe]

that includes the old game though, does it not

cause showing reindog as having an S tier winrate in 2s is just ridiculous

the character is so azz, we reindog mains must just be good af lmaoooo

making the dog work when the entire game is against it

[unique grove]

please, he is not bad

[haughty marten]

hes not as bad as you might imagine
if he was truly garbage we wouldnt have reps placing (and winning, thanks nossages) tourneys

he certainly does have bad attacks like ptoo, but we can get a lot out of the few moves we have that are good

[golden owl]

Ptoo?

[unique grove]

his little projectile that got hard nerf

[haughty marten]

neutral projectile

[pseudo garden]

should i get reindog or marvin?

[haughty marten]

this is the reindog channel so we all shill reindog here
but between the two I think Marvin has a more interesting play style

obv the two are very similar in many regards tho

[summer timber]

Is it a sin that i dropped Reindog fot Bugs

[sick totem]

If you have to ask then you know the answer😤

[summer timber]

I dont

[sick totem]

Yes

[last sable]

It's still weird for him to talk, but I guess it wasn't a fluke in the last rift.

[haughty marten]

I don't like it

[last sable]

If he's this capable why can't he get his own gem back. Did that even get found or are we still looking for it?

And why aren't they usuing these rifts to talk about the old plot with The Nothing?

[summer timber]

This might be stupid to say but the finding gem thing so barebones

[last sable]

That's what I'm saying. The game had a something of a plot originally and I'm not sure if they wanna save that for later or it's just gone.

[summer timber]

All we know about The Nothing is what Zanfeer was the first to go

[last sable]

This would have been the perfect chance to elaborate in some way, but instead it's just Wacky World of the Week ™️

[summer timber]

Its was just wait for a nothinv story

[last sable]

Ba dum tss.

[summer timber]

😐

[last sable]

🥁

[woven trout]

im begging for actual multiversus lore eventually

the nothing still exists

like its in reindog's description in the website

so hopefully the idea of having an actual cohesive story isnt scrapped completely

[minor yew]

Yo I finally got the Reindog toast skin in the battlepass. He's so adorable with it.

[lament vale]

ginormous

[shell cargo]

Is Reindogs pull bad now or something?

My teammate can never save me with it

[quasi ice]

It has a stupid delay to it

Aside from that sometimes it's unresponsive

[lament vale]

I've literally never seen a reindog ever maybe I should play it a bit

[shell cargo]

PFG should nerf Reindog again

[lament vale]

ture and rale

[hot nymph]

I had a reindog rock my world. Like damn, honestly, I respected it so much. I could have played passive to beat them probably but like I gotta respect the reindog grind

[lament vale]

the character seems really funny

just a projectile setup sorta zoner not really

[lusty aspen]

REINDOG MAINS RISE UP

[woeful jetty]

Bark! Bark!

[toxic harness]

lets go reindogs woof woof bark!!!

always believe in da dog 😌🙏

[dull marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/in-shock-gif-17553158948252598097

[jaunty widget]

Why Were Y’all Barking?

[toxic harness]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sus-cute-looking-doglookingsusandcute-gif-22976078

[woeful jetty]

Only beta reindog players will understand

[hollow niche]

Guys you just got nerfed again
I am not a Reindog player but you get my prayers

[mossy olive]

LMAO

[lament vale]

reindog is a character of all time

[last sable]

Another round of not even really touching Banana Guard and for some reason nerfing Reindog.

[minor yew]

Stop nerfing my main pls

He did nothing wrong

[hollow niche]

The "balance patch" they keep talking about better butcher Banana Guard, Wonder Woman and co

[lament vale]

that's very funny

[last sable]

It's not going to. They'll take another insignificant number of damage points (and no knockback) off of maybe one BG move, completely ignore Bugs (again), and maybe calm down Harley and WW a microscopic bit.

[haughty marten]

MORE NERFS 🗣️ 🗣️

[hollow niche]

They clearly want the easy and popular characters to stay at the top, I don't like it but there is a reason Bugs has been a top 5 character since the beta

[haughty marten]

atp they should just give us our old sair back

[summer timber]

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[last sable]

I just don't get why they keep shooting Reindog in the foot like this. It's never even a huge nerf but it's always enough that it's like

Why did you do that?

[lament vale]

this character is really weird

[haughty marten]

3 more frames of jump delay after jab 1

[last sable]

What was the point? Next to nobody plays him as it is, are you trying to make sure nobody does?

[haughty marten]

they really didnt want us to have the loop

[lament vale]

I'm unsure what I'm supposed to use to do much of anything

[shell cargo]

REINDOG NERFS YEAH BABY 🗣️

This busted ass character needs to be GUTTED NOW

[summer timber]

[shell cargo]

It's not the Velma nerfs I wanted but I'll take it

[lament vale]

this is a tazmanian devil moment

[last sable]

It's like they want to make really sure nobody accuses them of favoritism for their OC by making him bad.

[summer timber]

WHAT YOU MEAN BUSTED?

[shell cargo]

If you don't know then you're playing him wrong, simply

[summer timber]

ALL I HEAR IS LIES

[minor yew]

This is making me not want to make a Reindog video because I'm scared the devs will nerf him even more

[shell cargo]

They have to nerf him more

He deserves nerfs

[hollow niche]

Lmaoo
I'm just disappointed WW didn't get the buff she deserves

[last sable]

I'll believe they care about balance when they stop tiptoeing around Banana Guard and actually do something about him.

[summer timber]

REINDOG DIDNT DO ANYTHING

[minor yew]

Next thing you'll tell me is that WW needs buffs

[shell cargo]

"We acknowledge Wonder Womans strengths and will be nerfing her in future patches."
proceeds to leave her untouched in every future patch

[shell cargo]

She does

[haughty marten]

whiff punish with jab, grounded side special, and air side special
use grounded fireball to control a bit of space in neutral
use tether to get some free damage
jab leads into jab 1 > jab 2 > up tilt > (up air, this is inconsistent at times)

fireball spikes, use air fireball to force a reaction when theyre hanging on the ledge

[shell cargo]

Trash ass character

Literally can't even kill until 40%

Absolute garbage

[hollow niche]

Bugs too, unplayable character needs buffs

[summer timber]

I cant tell if your joking

[hollow niche]

Make safe 200% bigger

[shell cargo]

You might be autistic

In the literal sense

[lament vale]

oh that's really funny

[hollow niche]

Well that doesn't sound like a nice thing to say

[summer timber]

WTF MAN

[shell cargo]

Like get tested unironically it could be there you never know man

[hollow niche]

Yeah that's the kind of thing someone with autism would say

[summer timber]

NO?

[hollow niche]

Why would I know I'm a morty main we aren't the brightest

[shell cargo]

Yes, unfortunately

[summer timber]

WHO THINKS THAT?

[shell cargo]

Obviously jijigri

[lusty aspen]

At this point they might as well take Reindog out the game. They clearly were wrong to make an OC because they don’t care about him at all. Bro isn’t even on the cover 😭

[hollow niche]

He does think that apparently
Kinda messed up really

[last sable]

That's what I'm saying! Clearly they don't want people to play him, all they do is break his kit apart bit-by-bit for no reason.

[quasi ice]

No cap Reindog has almost no redeeming features as of the latest nerfs

[summer timber]

LETS JUST NERF HIM MORE AND TAKE EVERYTHING

GREAT IDEA

[hollow niche]

Don't worry guys Joker's getting buffed next patch

[shell cargo]

Thank GOD 🙏

He's so garbage 🙏

[hollow niche]

Now all we need it a Gizmo buff and the game will be perfect

[quasi ice]

I hadn't seen that they nerfed Reindog again LMFAO

[summer timber]

Reindog is dead

[haughty marten]

gyze we're okay

the loop works twice

[last sable]

When I pointed out they keep breaking Reindog on Twitter the response I got was basically "Well we had to get rid of the loop. Big balance patch soon though, yay! ¯_(ツ)_/¯"

[stone sierra]

why does reindog keep getting nerfed

[last sable]

It genuinely feels like they have it out for him for no reason.

[stone sierra]

reindog players are barely seen and not a single person has actually complained about them

[last sable]

Apparently this was to get rid of a jab loop, but considering his lack of options I say let him keep it.

[hollow niche]

Don't worry guys, Morty players are living with 20 (yes, 20!) bugs right now

[last sable]

To be fair every Morty I've seen does just fine by employing a rushdown panic attack strategy.

[stone sierra]

yeah

[hollow niche]

Yeah he's fine, but he's not receiving any love from the devs either since they hardly tested him

[stone sierra]

reindog isnt fine tho

these nerfs are coming out of nowhere

[last sable]

It feels like he's getting constant nerfs and no buffs.

[hollow niche]

This is definitely scary

We're closing in on 3 weeks with no balance patch right?

[last sable]

And the one time I got staff feedback on that, it was basically just "Wait for the big upcoming balance patch and hope for the best I guess."

[hollow niche]

They should give an estimated date for the balance patch

They're hyping it up more than a content patch lmao

[last sable]

I love how no matter what they do they can't keep Iron Giant from being a menace.

If this patch finally comes and they still haven't touched Bugs or actually nerfed Banana Guard I'll be disappointed but not surprised.

[hollow niche]

That would be HILARIOUS

I'm not gonna lie it would just be funny

[sick totem]

Bark!

[quasi ice]

The fact that BB keeps his safe and rocket alive when he dies but Reindog doesn't keep his crystal alive says lot about this game's balance

[toxic harness]

[shell cargo]

Bugs keeps his safe and rocket when he dies and ALSO gets his cooldowns refreshed

It's so balanced ong

[quasi ice]

Also lots of characters can 'convert' the crystal now lol

Was always like this but it's happening more often for some reason

Idk what moves do it

[toxic harness]

i miss him 😔

i wish there was like a Multiversus Classic

[woeful jetty]

Yeah, hes not the dog he used to be

[undone sundial]

Any tips for him

[sick totem]

Use your projectiles especially when they are off stage as they are pretty good at applying pressure, and his fire ball spikes so definitely use it on ledge

Ground up special > up air is a solid bnb, but it can be inconsistent sometimes

Jab 1 > down smash is a solid kill confirm or jab 1 > jab 2 > down smash if you want some extra percent

Always try to have your tether up for free damage or it will force them to jump to avoid it so you can read that

I know it's rough out here but ngl reindog feel's hella rewarding to win with lol

[sick totem]

Also dair is a solid kill tool with some good range

[solemn steppe]

🙏

don't stress about the loop being gone. stress if we get that real balance patch and they don't give this character some serious love

[last sable]

That is what I'm stressing about.

[solemn steppe]

we haven't received the big balance patch yet

but i still don't really have much faith in their ability to understand what reindog needs, so

[sick totem]

Any tips on the morty match up he's like the only character I really have trouble with cuz all his options just smother mine and feel faster

And the stubbiness of my moves compared to the reach of his is rough

[summer timber]

Im guessing that ill come next week

THAT

mann

[sick totem]

And not to mention his rock spike

[last sable]

The rock spike is actually the move of his I avoid the easiest. Use your side special to cover distance.

[sick totem]

But doesn't he beat your option out of it?

[undone sundial]

Reindog moves too slow, his attacks also feel like pillows

[sick totem]

Wdym? You don't like dying at 80-90 sometimes earlier while your opponents like to 130+ and mostly keep mote if they are a tank

[woeful jetty]

Not only that, but I love when every other character can outspeed any attack reindog has because you have to watch a whole cutscene before he actually hits them

[quasi ice]

They've been on a downard trend with Reindog why would they suddenly buff him after spending the last several patches (if you include two years ago in the beta) nerfing him?

Plus I'm fairly sure his WR is still positive

Expect either no buffs to Reindog or straight up a couple more nerfs

[undone sundial]

I’m starting to love the big guy

This mf strong

[haughty marten]

W

another one inducted to the cause

[shell cargo]

I hate Reindog more each day

[haughty marten]

joker main 🫵

ur actually one of our worst mus

[shell cargo]

I haven't played Joker in a LONG time

None of my recent matches even CONTAIN me touching Joker

Reindog is broken though fr

S tier

Strongest in the game, even

[haughty marten]

outplayed, outskilled

[shell cargo]

Reindog mains downplaying harder than Black Adams

[rocky surge]

Reindog mains ✨️

[quasi ice]

All six of us

[summer timber]

😐

No?

[solemn steppe]

:/ you make sense, my brain just wants to hope for something different even though we've been, factually, mostly ignored in patches or generally only ever nerfed (considering the beta)

his projectile game was really strong in beta so i understand wanting to nerf that a bit but they went overboard and barely compensated his actual melee kit in the process

[solemn steppe]

this is a huge issue for him right here, it makes him jarring to play and it's why people won't pick him up in the future

ignoring balance, if a character doesn't feel fluid and good to play, people won't play them

btw random but i think it's hilarious (hilariously awful) he cancels momentum when he dodges backwards and then forward into an air forward special (headbutt)

[quasi ice]

Yes that's the main reason why no one plays him. He feels as awful as Superman if you wanna play a more traditional game, except even worse, because Superman has some very easy to use and strong moves

Whereas if you try to play Reindog as this hybrid of attack/zoner PFG promotes him as you'll quickly realize things don't work out like they should

Reindog is mainly someone who excels at camping and then at rushing down his opponents. If you try to do play the 'long game' in a match where you try to trade efficiently with your opponent, you're absolutely gonna lose hard with him. His attacks are slow and stubby and trade absolutely miserably against most other attacks in the game

The only exception being his ground side special which is pretty good admittedly since it even breaks armor

[shell cargo]

😐

Yeah?

[split hound]

black adam players are downplaying?

where are you seeing this

oh wait in the cord 🤣

skill issue my brotha

[shell cargo]

Anywhere a Black Adam main is

These mfs really think he's "bad"

[split hound]

they also said you've been making rounds into these channels trolling, almost had me going!

[shell cargo]

I have not, so like cry about it or something

[undone sundial]

I get a new Reindog outfit next in the battle pass

[shell cargo]

Tony, I have a great idea for balancing! Leave Bugs Bunny, Wonder Woman, Gizmo, etc. untouched and nerf Reindog again!

[sick totem]

The toast skin is gas, I need it

[sick totem]

I got the tea time skin right now and I want either the golden warrior or normal warrior skin

[quasi ice]

Reindog's neutral projectile is sooo bad nowadays

You'd rather be doing anything else 99% of the time

[near fern]

quick question

just started playing reindog again since i mained him in beta

has there been any weird instances of people at like 200 just not dying

like they suddently lose all of their knockback

#clips message

this basically

[haughty marten]

knockback cancelling lol
known bug but we can't do much about it

side b doesn't like to kill much
above 150% always go for up tilt or jab jab up tilt

[near fern]

Is it just a general bug or reindog specific?
I played a ton of stripe and didn't see it a single time so I'm just shocked

[haughty marten]

idk it might be % dependent so it might happen more with dawg because he can't kill early

[near fern]

thats

fun

[pseudo garden]

i will main reindog now.

what stuff do yyou use on rein

i forgot what these were calles

these buffs

you buy with this red currency

this thats flammable doc stuff

yk

[near fern]

perks?

i use thats flammable doc, last stand and pugilist

although im hardly aware of whats optimal with this new perk system

[haughty marten]

I tend towards well rounded, snowball, last stand, pugilist

swap pugilist for armor killer if fighting Superman or ww

I don't use flammable doc because I don't really find many opportunities to use neutral projectile

both of reindogs perks are kinda ass so well rounded is generally the best

[near fern]

used to use the crystal perk in beta but with the slower speed theres not much point in even trying to set it up and keep it

plus well rounded didnt exist back then

[unique grove]

The crystal perk is not that bad but well rounded seems less situational

[pseudo garden]

i love reindog

[dull marsh]

Do you guys know when the buffer window begins? It is said to be 30 so does that mean it takes lets say a moves 25 frames of recovery and also like 5 active frames to make 30 frames total. Is that how it works or is buffer window only available in recovery frames?

[shell cargo]

The game reads any inputs within the last 30 frames and tries to use them I think (allowing you to use jab 2 before jab 1 actually ends and then using dtilt right after jab 2 before jab 2 ends, for example)

[dull marsh]

yeah so it will eat into the active frames AND startup frames if the recovery frames are not long enough?

its not just limited to recovery frames which I what I assumed so its actually a bigger problem than I thought

kind of annoying

[solar flint]

does reindog not have healing anymore?

[shell cargo]

Did he ever have healing? I never played a lot of Reindog I think I got him to level 15 just because and that's it but I don't remember him ever having healing

[solar flint]

maybe im just bugging

i thought he did

[haughty marten]

I don't believe he ever had healing?

[solar flint]

yeah im probably bugged mb

[quasi ice]

No healing is something only mages like Shaggy should do

[shell cargo]

Wow Shaggy can heal his teammate for a whopping 3 damage what a strong healing ability

[solemn steppe]

imo if you're not maximizing crystal uptime, you're losing out on too much pressure. he only thrives when crystal is up

[quasi ice]

Naw crystal is only for buffing your attacks

[solemn steppe]

dont sleep on crystal

[woeful jetty]

Its also good for baiting people to the top of the screen for easy kills

[solemn steppe]

it extends combos, stops enemies attacking you, does decent dmg especially when it buffs your melees

i know it's slow and gets destroyed easily but it's a huge part of his kit and it needs to be utilized

when you have crystal up, you're forcing your enemy to attack it

they have to start playing your game

because they can't play the game with crystal up

it will constantly ruin their combos

but you have to run the crystal perk

[sick totem]

Everything ferris said is facts, reindog needs his crystal as much as possible to be at his absolute best

I can't even tell you how many times my opponents immediately go for crystal and it's free damage cuz they basically asking to be up aired

[lucid silo]

Delete this character

[shell cargo]

Delete this character

[manic zenith]

nuh uh

[near fern]

NUH UH

[summer timber]

Cry about it

Imma keep playing my Good boi

[turbid mauve]

would you guys say reindog is closer in strength to garnet or rick?

[shell cargo]

Closer to Bugs

[quasi ice]

He's slightly above both

[quasi ice]

Speaking of Bugs can PFG just straight up remove him from the game

He's legendarily busted

[near canyon]

Hehe i main Bugs and rein (mainly bugs)

Pls buff Bugs

make it so he cant die and does 100 per hit

also every move stuns for 10 sec

[near fern]

Idk why you're asking for buffs that already exist

[near fern]

This has probably already been mentioned

But just in case

Fun fact
That's flammable doc gets triggered if someone touches reindog crystal

[mossy olive]

WHAT

[quasi ice]

?

[mossy olive]

how is Reindog better than garnet

did i miss anything?

didnt Reindog got nerfed after being already only a low hightier/high mid tier?

[quasi ice]

Nah he's still mid~ish tier

Open Beta Reindog was definitely worse than Garnet and Rick especially IIRC

[mossy olive]

so he isnt complete garbage? good to know

[quasi ice]

To be honest, to the majority of the playerbase Reindog is indeed dumpster tier lol

Only if you know what you're doing he starts being decent

[mossy olive]

then why are people complaining that hes "useless"

ah

well i can guarantee

garnet is better

[quasi ice]

He has a few really good attacks that aren't self-evident

Maybe. Tbh I'm not entirely sure about Reindog's tier. All I know is that he's DEFINITELY not top tier but he's not trash either

[unique grove]

I dont see reindog being not top tier

[solemn steppe]

i wouldn't say he's useless, but compared to many characters in the roster he is lacking. in general his biggest issues are he lacks kill power and has high recovery on too many attacks

https://youtu.be/mxIULMuomkc?si=ncUxvZydBCnVTtQN

^ lmao

[quasi ice]

Rushdown character with no HP and wider than Superman/Black Adam yeah he's def top tier bro

He's a glass cannon except he's more like a slingshot that occasionally hits the opponent in the nuts and lets you just punch them while they're recovering from the pain

[quasi ice]

God I hate how certain maps just nerf Reindog hard lol

Like if he's a 7 as a character it downgrades him to a 5 or a 4 just because of the map

[solemn steppe]

lmao yeah some maps just make it hard to approach and play his game

they def need to make maps bigger in 2s

[quasi ice]

That, plus the platforms that just get in the way

[solemn steppe]

seriously. i already feel like moving through platforms feels clunky in this game

then they shove like 6 of them on a tiny stage like dexter's 2

[sly wharf]

how we feeling after weve gotten use to the nerf to his sair

also what about this character is even good? i keep seeing people say that hes a mid tier but like how?

[shell cargo]

Everything

Top 3 character

[sly wharf]

real

[woeful jetty]

are there any good ways to escape Harley's combos? it feels like every time i get tapped just once it leads to me getting endlessly pummeled due to reindog's slower speed and large hurt box

[errant wing]

To the reindog that went 0-4 to black Adam, you should have stopped rematching me

[near fern]

Is there something wrong with rematching if you lose

[hallow trail]

Some people rematch against better players to learn

I remember I played 5 games against this crazy good Jason and lost every one but I learnt some really cool tech

[errant wing]

That's the problem. There was no cool tech to learn. I just spammed up tilt

[hallow trail]

Ohhh

[errant wing]

...I just spammed up tilt and used Nair or neutral attack to kill

[hallow trail]

I guess he just wanted to seeing if he could win

Turns out he couldn't

[errant wing]

I don't think he took a STOCK

[hallow trail]

Damn

He probably should've given up the first time

[errant wing]

He went 0-4

4 free wins tho

Beefy cheesy, you are a dumb man

[woeful jetty]

I tried looking up beefy cheesy on tracker.gg and no player came up. I think it mightve been a bot

[near fern]

How does the tracker even work because I can't even seem to find myself

Am I secretly a bot

[errant wing]

Some players just don't show up. Hell I didn't show up

[woeful jetty]

Can you prove that youre not a bot? 👀

[errant wing]

Can you prove that you aren't?

[woeful jetty]

Thats a good question

Let me consult my database for an answer

.

..

...

My database has confirmed i am indeed not a robot

[errant wing]

You turn off the game. That's how

[quasi ice]

Didn't they nerf her combos or whatever? I haven't played 1v1 in a while

Because yeah I was experiencing the exact same thing last time I faced her

[woeful jetty]

Unfortunately that doesnt help much the next time i play against a harley

[woeful jetty]

They did, but it seems like it wasnt enough for reindog. Other characters are probably fine against her now

[woeful jetty]

That or im just missing something, hence the question

[quasi ice]

If it's that bad the only advice I have for u is just rush her down since she's lightweight

Tbh 1v1 maps are too tiny to camp with crystal and tether (with the occasional exception)

[woeful jetty]

That was my strategy, but her attacks would come out faster than mine

I guess it more just a problem of how to deal with fast characters

[haughty marten]

when she does grounded up tilt mash dodge out

[woeful jetty]

I actually tried that too, but i would still get hit by it after the dodge

Maybe my timing was just off with it

Shes one the characters i hate to fight against with two others being joker and bugs

[quasi ice]

Bugs is awful because of his stupid loop otherwise I find him fine to play against, same as Joker with his low effort 0 to 80 combos

Now Harley I just feel like quitting the match

[summer timber]

I hope Reindog gets the buffs that needs

[haughty marten]

I don't think he needs many buffs tbh

[sick totem]

For Harleys combos try dodging down it helps me s good amount, also try to have your crystal up and play around it when you can cuz if it hits it'll interrupt her combo. Also there are some times that you can sair to check her from over pressuring you m

Don't spam the sair though cuz if they get a feel for it and start baiting you she's faster and will almost always win that interaction

[sick totem]

I think he definitely needs buffs to his kill power and neutral special endlag. Personally I would also like for them to speed up the movement of crystal so it follows him better

Also have it stay out when he dies, cuz it seems other characters can keep their stuff out after their death (looking at you bugs)

I also would mind adding at least a bit more range to his jab so it doesn't feel like it loses basically every interaction cuz it's so stubby, and definitely make sair a good combo tool again cuz within nerfed his combo potential feels very lackluster aside from getting a good string going or getting good reads

[haughty marten]

personally I just think he needs more use for ptoo (reducing startup and endlag significantly would be perfect, he's a mage, after all) and a bit more killing power

perhaps they could tackle the killing power by buffing ptoo lol

[sick totem]

I don't ptoo need to kill unless at higher percents, his kill moves should be buffed to actually be kill moves, his down heavy and his grounded side heavy

[near fern]

Gotta ask

If there's some good way of dealing with arya

She's so damn fast

[shell cargo]

I struggle with Arya and I play Batman
An arya with decent spacing is untouchable because her hurtboxes are so small

[summer timber]

I play patient with her

To see what she is gonna do

[weary kernel]

Reindog

[near fern]

Such a way with words

[shell cargo]

I like how if you call Reindogs neutral b by its ingame name the mods will punish you

Didn't know Tony was freaky

[solemn steppe]

stay away lmao

[errant wing]

Jump off the ledge 3 times

[quasi ice]

If you do it a 4th time you unlock Super Reindog

[quasi ice]

Me: Hey PFG jump rope one time or stop nerfing Reindog

PFG: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GVq_6BYKQ5A

[quasi ice]

I still don't understand the necessity to remove Reindog's loop when half of the cast still has a loop or two, some of them being infinites

Why does this company hate their pet character so much