Marvin The Martian

[queen swallow]

Yeah flag on ship is a great option

[fringe trout]

Opened a bug report for phantom projectiles since nothing similar existed
https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-3087

[sour basalt]

yup the nerfed morty AND marvin im definitely not playing this game much anymore

im handing over ownership
of the marvin server to eggy

@queen swallow

[queen swallow]

😭😭

who are you going to play inferno

Rick seems pretty good and he is remotely simular

[lost sand]

??? the only nerf marvin got is the reduced jab 3 projectile duration

which is not that big of a deal

[queen swallow]

yeah

I dont mind it

[lost sand]

Initially, I thought it was gonna be problematic, but it's fine.

I used to get away with a few ultra long range unexpected jab 3s

[queen swallow]

i never thought jab 3 was that amazing in 1s anyways

and i only play 1s

and it doesnt really affect in at ledge

and thats all i really care about

[lost sand]

hmm hmm

[queen swallow]

plus

bubbled jab 3 is better now

[lost sand]

not only that, but you can bubble more projectiles than before

[queen swallow]

thank god

[lost sand]

feels good against reindog

I haven't checked out all the projectiles difference, but reindog was the one that stood out for me

oh and bubbling an enemy marvin's jab 3

[dreamy sable]

why is marvin the character with the most chats

by far

oh nvm jason is

[lost sand]

plenty topics related to marvin to talk about

some not even related to the game

(cosplay, shows, what if we had this cosmetic, etc)

[dreamy sable]

arent there like 3 marvin mains?

[lost sand]

that would be the lebron section, jkjk

[queen swallow]

we are all here

he just is the most technical character in the game

so

lots of interactions, set ups, volatile match ups

ect to talk about

[dreamy sable]

oh i see

[queen swallow]

yep

not so honest mid tier

[wooden kite]

Yea but we’re all silly :3

[young zodiac]

I've been running into a few Marvin mirrors lately

There was that clown last night

But I've face others who do well

[flint drum]

now that jason has been banished, I guess I gotta go back to marvin lol

[wooden kite]

Martian superiority

[flint drum]

for mars

[wooden kite]

Wait I just realized Marvin losing a lot despite being really smart and complex is lore accurate

[queen swallow]

Marvin feels so good

its probably just input buffer

but the flag change

mwah

[fringe trout]

Flag is nice. Just need phantoms fixed and we're solid

[lost sand]

There's another thing I'd like fixed

whenever you bubble a rocket going straight left or right, when it exits the main platform (the stage), whenever you reverse that bubble, most of the time, it will collide with the stage and bounce back. It's kinda annoying.

[queen swallow]

^^^

[wooden kite]

What would yall recommend setting Input buffer to?

[queen swallow]

10-20

[wooden kite]

Thanks

[modest gyro]

It still lasts a while too. He even got a buff for the bubble anyways. Like Marvin is still fine

[modest gyro]

Idk if I count. I main batman the most but also play Marvin, Rick, Bugs and Jason

[golden root]

im admittedly salty, but the dodge once nullifying projectiles for their full duration feels so bad 😭. why have a character based on tricky reversal projectiles + flag targeting when a single dodge makes it all null

marvin still feels solid (i love him hes so fun) but like. it feels like a blow to his identity as character when you plan things right and it doesnt do anything. seeing ppl running into the rocket 3 more times with no worries after you do your thing feels bad.

[wooden kite]

For realllll

[golden root]

bleghh its just. genuinely a bad player feel back thing when you bubble your own stuff and reverse it to come back, but it doesn't work and trying to have a strategy doesn't actually do anything

[young zodiac]

It wouldn't annoy me that much if it was at least consistent for everyone

I've dodged reindog projectiles and bugs projectiles only to STILL get hit by them whenever.

Little ridiculous they won't be consistent.

[golden root]

hmm thats interesting in a way of trying to understand it, i havnt played many reindogs.

i personally blame lebron james because i only noticed it happening after they did the thing that made sure his basketballs couldn't double hit for his first week infinites

maybe i also think its funny to declare lebron james an enemy of mars

[young zodiac]

Keep it consistent is my philosophy

[fringe trout]

WW buffed, Marvin and Velma nerfed. What can you expect

[young zodiac]

Or the projectile ID should change when it is switched at least so you can't just dodge once and have it perma invul

[golden root]

yeah at the very least when its bubbled it should count as a new projectile

[young zodiac]

The jab 3 nerf makes some sense tbf. It was ridiculous on some maps like the scooby doo mansion

[golden root]

yeah im ngl it was a real menace on flat stages. it was (and still is) quite strong. its nasty for relatively safe edge guarding ringouts. its knockback is wild.

[velvet vessel]

Its not a real nerf imo, when you can extend it

Idk

[sour basalt]

i only play marvin and morty I will not abandon my boys

i took a massive break from multuversus anyways cuz i had to beat the elden ring dlc

[silk pecan]

Marvin is in a strange position in MVS

On one hand he's very good against a number of the cast

But he's also inconsistent and lacks safe kill options

[white garden]

it is funny against Iron Giant because it perfectly descirbe him

you dominate the match but you cannot kill so it is still very unsure at the end xD

I think Marvin is in the perfect spot actually he dont need to be nerfed nor buffed

[flint drum]

if anything he just needs fixes
like I guess I can understand dodging a projectile and then loses its hitbox, but flag and button should renew those hitboxes for sure

[queen swallow]

Marvin is good

just not in tournaments

too volatile of a match up chart

[flint drum]

damn, I sure love that ONE banana guard up air can destroy the UFO
they need to buff this damn things health dammit

[gusty quarry]

I always try to put my ship as close as I can to the top blast zone

people are a lot less willing to go all the way up there

[wooden kite]

Ohh yeah since you can just shoot them

That’s kinda smart

[gusty quarry]

the only problems is actually getting up there and Marvin mirrors

[flint drum]

of course if I do that, I feel like I'm doing the shaggy thing where I just run away to charge lol
and that never works out well

the ufo still needs a health buff either way tbh

[wooden kite]

Fr

[queen swallow]

also not a fan if the angle from the top of the blastzone

[flint drum]

oh yeah thats its own thing

[wooden kite]

It’s for sure harder to bubble that way

[lost sand]

someday, I'll get better results.

[white garden]

agree on that, that is very annoying we got all those option and cannot use them properly

[brave remnant]

Anyone else feel like rifts are not playable beyond the first 2 difficulties? I literally just hit this dude 30 times as joker to get 1 ko he kos me with 3-4 hits . The most inflated false difficulty ever.

[wooden kite]

I can do some missions but when I’m up against 2 people it’s pretty much impossible

If I have a bot teammate , they’re not super helpful

[brave remnant]

I'm on the 1st node of the 1st rift on chaotic and he literally puts me over 100% in 3 hits

I beat him badly without taking a hit for the first stock....takes way too long to get that ko, then he reverse sweeps me

[wooden kite]

Oh my Chaos token things are level 7 so that’s probably why I don’t struggle as much

[brave remnant]

And it takes 3-4 hits from him to ko me

Mine are lvl 4 and 3 but I don't think that makes that much difference, could be wrong, but I also don't see how I'm gonna get them levels without clearing higher difficulties

[wooden kite]

Yeah it sucks

My other 2 sets are level 4 and those I struggle with hard

Hopefully they figure out a better system in the future

[brave remnant]

I legit go 65% win rate and up in pvp, but this rift I can't beat......pretty lame. It just doesn't scale in a sensible manner. The previous difficulty was laughable.

Without gems

I didn't even equip them for a lot of it

[wooden kite]

They need better bots

[brave remnant]

It'd be cool if you could bring a random to pve also

[wooden kite]

That’d be nice

[brave remnant]

I dont keep many friends the ones I do, don't play this

I hate social engineering being a requirement to progression

I don't like people lol

[wooden kite]

Then what are you doing in a public discord server 🤔

[brave remnant]

Talking to my fellow martians...also..discord people aren't real

[wooden kite]

I’m not real?

This is news to me

[brave remnant]

Don't let it bother you, you'll get used to it.

Just realize you are pixels on someone else's screen, the existential crisis of it will pass, then you will just go on.

[wooden kite]

I’m flesh

[brave remnant]

I see pixels

Lol

[wooden kite]

[brave remnant]

It doesn't make you less.....you.....just maybe not the resolution you think

I jest, but I am a misanthrope, irl. I just wanted to gauge if I'm crazy or if the difficulty jump from level 2 to level 3 seems out of whack to anyone else.

[wooden kite]

Yeah no it’s wack

[brave remnant]

Being Marvin players are used to being a bit weak in the ko , I figured this would be the best place to get a read of other opinions.

[wooden kite]

I don’t play Marvin for those rifts because of that lol
I usually go for Batman or supes

[brave remnant]

Yeah same here. I use Jason or joker usually

And even still it seemed really difficult

[wooden kite]

Here’s where id use Jason
If I had one

[brave remnant]

I'm like why did I clear the last one without matching gems at all and this one with gems I can't pass the first node.....dafuq

To unlock Smith is 20 bosses. That's the first 3 difficulties on every rift, then the first 2 of his rift 4 days from now

That should be doable solo. The scaling though makes me feel like I need a competent partner for crushing and up

Feels like I'm losing through attrition not because of mistakes.

Is there a better way to level these gems? I'm not trying to re do rifts I already beat every day for the daily rewards....that should make it easier, not be required to be doable imo.

[flint drum]

I've been able to eventually do the insanity rifts
so rn I've done all I can, so I have matrix superman
but my question is, where is martrix code marvin smh

[brave remnant]

Steam achievements make me laugh.... 0.6% of steam players have 100 double ringouts. I often wonder if those numbers are accurate at all.

7.6% have accepted 100 rematches

Seems wrong

[wooden kite]

Those statistics are always insane

I think it’s due to how many people download the game and never play it

[brave remnant]

I was thinking the same thing, except that happens on not free to play games also... where I'm like....how did 250k pluss people buy this but less than 1% got the basic participation trophy achievements

V rising I was 0.1% of players who reached the 2nd zone.... like walked north east......

Can't be accurate

[wooden kite]

Idk

[brave remnant]

Anyone played with the buffer settings and find a sweet spot for marvin?

I was tooling around with it with shaggy as my baseline.... seems funky if you make it too low you can get stalled out of true combos.

[shy jolt]

wish i could help but if im being honest i havent touched my settings at all

i feel like if i did it'd take me longer to adjust to them

[flint drum]

reminds me of a meme I saw where it was like a fallout game and you get an achievement for leaving the vault for the first time
and its not at 100% worldwide despite it being the very first thing you can even do

[shy jolt]

i dont play doubles at all. i dont think a lot of people do but maybe im wrong

[flint drum]

I mostly play 1v1s but I try to do plenty of gaming in the other modes too
1v1s are simpler but also sweatier so I dunno

[brave remnant]

2v2 is so good as Marvin

Juggling like wild with him, and running interference

So satisfying

[wooden kite]

I feel like you should at least see how it feels at 15 or 20
To me it feels very nice

[lost sand]

I went for 15 for now.

[brave remnant]

20 feels good, less sluggish but not super strict on timing

Void GSM is using 10

[wooden kite]

I think I did 15

[brave remnant]

He has incredible timing tho

[wooden kite]

I don’t think I need to be doing anything void is doing at my skill level lol

[brave remnant]

Man's hit me with so many frame 1s of jokers balloon it was embracing

Day 1

[wooden kite]

You played against void?

[dark minnow]

I changed to 15 as well

[deep tartan]

anyone down for friendly mirrors?

[brave remnant]

Yeah day one. He beat me badly, I took 1 stock from him in 2 sets. His joker vs my Jason

Just randomly matched against him, which was crazy I had no clue who he was until like a hour prior I watched a YouTube video.

So when I matched against him I was like....welp.....I'm cooked. Lfg

[wooden kite]

Insane

[fringe trout]

Sure
I'm sure we all have limited experience fighting against Marvin since so few play him

WB account is 'StressInducer'

[deep tartan]

@fringe trout got you

[fringe trout]

Found it

[deep tartan]

@fringe trout you not getting the invites?

[fringe trout]

Try again

Restarted since you were appearing offline

[deep tartan]

just did

[deep tartan]

@fringe trout lag was bad as hell i wouldnt of won anyways but ggs bro

i still got much to learn

[fringe trout]

Right, I saw the message at the start
ggs man

[deep tartan]

@fringe trout are those perks just better overall with marvin?

[fringe trout]

Last stand and Clear the Air I equipped just for those matches. Figured the parry should come in handy and Marvin struggles to kill at 100

I normally run Flammable, Speed, and Static

[deep tartan]

ill try it out

[young zodiac]

Static is wild.

I usually just run armor killer

[fringe trout]

It does 9 damage, which can rack up. Just need to play slower and grounded. One static projectile deals more damage than pugilist per enemy life.

Armor killer is good against WW or Jake in 2s

[young zodiac]

Yeah nah, I go IN as Marvin. You are wasting neutral by not running it down with Neutral Bubble advance

[flint drum]

marvin bros, its over
we are no longer the second most active character channel

[wooden kite]

who is now?

[fringe trout]

Garnet ⁉️

[wooden kite]

what?? she was so low last time i checked

whats going on in there?

[waxen vault]

Imma be honest, I think Marvin's the cutest character in MV

[wooden kite]

you're so real for that

he's my favorite little ant martian

[flint drum]

he's just so creature

[wooden kite]

i'm so excited for my cosplay of him

its coming along nicely so far

[flint drum]

heck yeah

[wooden kite]

i've never made a cosplay so this is fun

someone made a 3d print thing for his gun and i'm gonna try to get that printed at my library

[weak totem]

anyone have tips on how to kill with marvin

[autumn patrol]

You Don’t.

[weak totem]

😔

[wooden kite]

It’s hard work

Sick pfp tho

[weak totem]

ty

[white garden]

Just work harder than your opponant it is the way it is unfortunaltly

[lost sand]

Sometimes, you gotta get creative.

[wooden kite]

I hope Multiversus gets merch

i'd love to see art from the game on shirts or something

the best possible outcome for that would be amiibo-like figures

[blissful oxide]

Marvin feels soooooo much better without the input buffer holy hell

Can his down attack be parried?

Or is it a projectile

[wooden kite]

yes it can be parried

[young zodiac]

Jab 3 usually starts killing reliably off edge at around 120ish so could dash forward jab pokes

You could always single hop up b to get a strong rocket line up or threaten it

[scenic carbon]

Jabx2 -> bubble -> up special kills around 100 on average if you have the DI read to hit bubble out of jab

Has anyone else noticed the training room bot actually dodging a lot better now?

[dim galleon]

they updated the game alot along with nerfing marvymarv

[scenic carbon]

They also buffed marv

[wooden kite]

One more day to get Marvin shark hat
Hope I get lucky

[flint drum]

for the fourth day I got the banner so I'm down a hat

but I got marvin on day 2 so I guess I'm happy
I dunno if jason has a shark hat but I would have loved to have it lol

[wooden kite]

They’re also available for purchase now but I don’t want to spend 300 something glemium for it

[flint drum]

I don't think jason had one, but if he did I can't check cus they KILLED him lol

[wooden kite]

True

It’s Saturday the 14th now

No more Jason

[viral wind]

Okay so Marvin might just be really really bad

[wooden kite]

Nuh uh

[lost sand]

And what makes you say that?

[gloomy gust]

It’s not worth 500 glem

[queen swallow]

Hes still below average ill say that

Not really really bad

[wooden kite]

Oh I forgot it was that high

[queen swallow]

Other mid tiers out buffed him unfortunately

[gloomy gust]

The shark hats being above 25 glem is a scam lmao

[wooden kite]

I’ve been thinking about getting referee Marvin but I’m scared as soon as I do it, they release a new skin that I like way better

[flint drum]

it is cute
altho they haven't fixed that skirt yet

[wooden kite]

They might not know about it

I kinda dislike Marvin’s tune squad new legacy skin
It’s just the base skin with a shirt he doesn’t even wear in the movie

[flint drum]

I only have it cus it was a bundle in the beta I grabbed
I always use the referee one
but once they add that green suit with the tophat from duck dodgers, that'll be the only one I use

[wooden kite]

I hope they add that

I’m also surprised they don’t have a simple color swap from the originals

[flint drum]

like the green jumpsuit
or one I'd love
the purple helmet and skirt from that one Simpsons episode

[wooden kite]

lol

[flint drum]

I enjoy myself purple, so I want more purple

[wooden kite]

They do have a purple one

[flint drum]

I mean I guess
I dunno, not too big on the valentines ones

[wooden kite]

Me neither

[flint drum]

if it used the classic helmet I might be more into it, but that one uses X2 and I prefer the classic

[wooden kite]

Agreed

[white garden]

how do you guys fight morty ?

[white garden]

no idea how you connect that lol

[white garden]

he s not bad he just cant kill '-'

[fringe trout]

Pray he misses dirt spam so you can hit him during the endlag. That garbage breaks projectiles for free (rocket too) and has unlimited range

[white garden]

Lol worse match up to us ?

Looks like there is no solution to those Morty as Marvin ^^

[frozen saffron]

I feel like Marvin got some secret nerf idk why he feels so bad now

[flint drum]

I've felt this with a lot of characters I feel like, a weird like
feeling of
something

like when jason got buffed, I was just not feeling those buffs
and playing joker and bugs they feel weirdly slow? I mean I know they got nerfed so maybe thats it, but it feels more substantial then a simple attack speed nerf

hard to say

[blissful oxide]

They projectile spam a lot more

like in the beta

[scenic carbon]

The training mode bot?

[rare heron]

Best character in the game
Us marvins will claim this game in the name of mars

[modest gyro]

Facts

[blissful oxide]

I have finally learned how to use dodge to close the distance for melee attacks

I have unlocked true potential

It literally the missing link between helmet bashing and then kicking

Before I couldn't reach

Speaking of kick

It also turns kick into a really scary initiation type lunge attack

Will absolutely catch people off guard

Can work for down air too, down air incoming from the side instead of above

[fringe trout]

Dodge down air is epic

[waxen vault]

Hey, does Superman have lines for Marvin now? Cause I heard him call him Marv

[flint drum]

I think he had some already but either no one is playing soups or no one is playing marvin pff

so they rarely meet

[waxen vault]

Noone uses Marv? Why? He's a Blast to Play

Imma be Honest

I think Multiversus has some of the funnest Zoner Characters in any fighting game

Cause you can't just zone

They actually have good combos, that you can combine WITH Zoning

And you barely need much brain power for Marv to get off the skill floor, but a really good Marvin is TERRIFYING

[flint drum]

#clips message

epic gamer moves

[modest gyro]

Funny little guy

[wooden kite]

Yo nice

I tried playing some FFA as Marvin and I don’t think that game mode is for him
He can’t combo and he can’t kill

[blissful oxide]

Either batman or steven might be marvin's worst matchup

Marvin relies on keeping his combos going for as long as possible and batman can constantly interrupt them, and even turn them against marvin since he has really strong up and down moves, which again, marvin relies on for killing.

Like his attacks just come out faster then marvin's

Down air is too slow to respond! You must try to dodge to the ground instead of counterattacking

[trim patrol]

I wish I was playing on pc

I’d main him

Pc players just got so much mobility.

[wooden kite]

How so?

[flint drum]

maybe its cus its easier to do specific move inputs when you can bind it to a key
like having a neutral key bound, so you can do a neutral attack and still move with it
that's my guess

and its also how I play, I'm a keyboard warrior in this game pff

[young zodiac]

Can confirm. I use keyboard

Neutral binds OP

[wooden kite]

I have neutral binds on controller

[white garden]

What are you guys talking about ? It shouldnt have any difference + you can mapping your control for neutral attack, special and even dodge

[flint drum]

I dunno, I was takin a guess

[flint drum]

⌨️ 🎌 ⌨️

we need another marvin emote that isn't him angry, cus it gives a different message then it just being a marvin emote pff

[wooden kite]

Yeah

[fringe trout]

〰️🔫

[white garden]

down atk lovers ❤️

[lethal beacon]

do you get anything out of parry with marvin?

[viscid cliff]

[queen swallow]

dair

its almost almost always the best option

air parry

you can up special

[lethal beacon]

okok ty

[fringe trout]

Air parry you can bubble then up special in most cases

[lethal beacon]

is morty a bad matchup for marvin

[white garden]

The worst in my opinion

[flint drum]

morty is a bad matchup for everyone since he's so powerful

[tight laurel]

You’re all glorified campers

Marvin mains

[autumn patrol]

Camping Doesn’t Equal Spacing

[tight laurel]

<@&882349260409032746> get snitched on buddy!

I don’t react to petty hate

[lost sand]

eh? What just happened?

[tight laurel]

Someone called me a slur and got banned

[lethal beacon]

cant let em know fr

they dont camp THAT hard though

just a lil bit of camping thats all

[lost sand]

Noted. Ban worthy indeed.

[autumn patrol]

They Weren’t A Real Martian, They Were A Fake.

[rustic hedge]

tf you want us to do?

run at you with our projectile-centric kit?

mf, we WILL up tilt for the 40th time

you CANNOT do anything about it

[tight laurel]

The best Marvin I ever played against was actually pretty aggressive using his kit

[wooden kite]

I like to rushdown no matter what character I play

[lost sand]

It's not like being super campy as marvin is really helpful anyways since that just makes you pretty predictable to deal with. One of the only times where it's helpful to be campy is against IG when he's in aerial.

[wooden kite]

I only “camp” when there’s someone above me

And I get to play a shooting game

[white garden]

Sometimes i just spam up and down atk to the win it is pretty funny ngl when the opponant have no clue what to do

[ocean fiber]

I find it hard to camp as Marvin (without someone being above) cuz his horizontal projectiles are short ranged and all take a while to put out with the cooldowns and stuff

[wooden kite]

Yeah fr
Id like to see these Marvin’s who camp

[ocean fiber]

Also i finally hit 250 marvin wins today

[wooden kite]

Congrats!

[ocean fiber]

Thank you!

[wooden kite]

I wish I could play online without getting so scared
I played some FFA and it felt less scary but Marvin does not do well there

[velvet vessel]

Idk how you could camp when we could just like

Blow you up

#clips message

[wary drum]

I saw a lot of marvin players from brasil that camp and ran away

[brave remnant]

I finally beat jokers crushing rift

Way more difficult than it needs to be imo

Legit was just annoyed half the time. Not fun.

[frozen holly]

I’ve been cooking with Marvin on FFA

[white garden]

You need to do the double damage of the opponant to win a game #clips message

[lethal beacon]

tbh i wish dash attack had more knockback

[white garden]

the only way we have to kill early is to risk the edge guard with dair or touch with the big rocket

if we cant the kill is around 120 170

and we can go to 200 against tank xD

[wooden kite]

Marvin got me watching a preschool show because I’m so obsessed
(Bugs bunny builders)

[fast kernel]

What are marving big and small rockets properties? Knockback, damage, hitstun, etc

[scenic carbon]

Big rocket kills much earlier with more damage, both send straight up, and both have the same hitstun

[dark minnow]

up atk lovers 🤰

[lethal beacon]

how do you beat black adam as marvin

[scenic carbon]

Did anyone else know that the static effect automatically triggers the flammable perk?

grounded bubble alone does 14 in that case

[fast kernel]

But ACTUAL numbers of their properties

[scenic carbon]

ah, no, sorry

[fast kernel]

Well, thank you anyway, so. . . the only difference is damage?

[scenic carbon]

Seems to be

[fast kernel]

And damage is leash to the big rocket killing earlier?

[scenic carbon]

yep
although the knockback must also be greater, not just damage, since damage only comes into affect for knockback growth, not base knockback

[lethal beacon]

bjg rocket is a heavy projectile right

tbh I dont really see many use cases for mini rockets

[fast kernel]

2v2

[young zodiac]

Anyone else get an odd bug where a rocket just immediately switches direction when released?

Seems to happen when the ship is higher than usual. Like off the downfall of a double jump. Just a little higher than a single jump

[wooden kite]

You’re not alone
I’ve heard a few others talk about this glitch

[young zodiac]

Okay cool.

It's pretty odd. Not overly consistent that I demand a fix now. But still concerning it happens

[brave remnant]

Yep I've had it happen also

[young zodiac]

I think it's height dependent

[fringe trout]

I've seen this issue several times but can't determine what causes it. Very rare/inconsistent. If it's random, then I'd say <5% of rockets fired go backwards

The bug made this silly moment possible though: #clips message

[trim crystal]

Just started playing marvin a few days ago

Absolutely loving him
Although wondering what our best way of killing Jerry is

Considering he just flies through all the projectiles I want him gone but he survives a bit

[fringe trout]

Two down attacks usually do the trick. Breaks the cork if Jerry tries to shoot back

[white garden]

yeah as we need two attacks to kill him i play closely to the Tom as he trow Jerry

we have some good options in close fight too

if the Tom is scared and go too far from Jerry it is your chance to kill him

the match up is way harder when he have Jerry cuz he beats all of our projectiles

[gritty isle]

Marvin can bubble Agent Brown, this is so sad

[gusty quarry]

that’s so funny

[lethal beacon]

idk how you beat agent smith tho

[queen swallow]

Did marv get shadow nerfed?

[tight laurel]

congrats guys for not getting burnt out/discouraged as marvin yet 🫡 i applaud you

he’s a tough boi

[queen swallow]

Thanks

but

whyd they shadow nerf him

dair button doesnt work until like 50-60

and flag status disappears after a projectile hits

😭

[tight laurel]

oh i didn’t know 🫢

i haven’t played him in pvp for a minute

[queen swallow]

Bro

why

😦

ill stick to him but

man

[tight laurel]

actually i did notice this in rifts

i was like wait.. i thought it would stay for a lil

[queen swallow]

so stupid

[white garden]

Flag is bad anyway

[queen swallow]

I mean

[rare heron]

No it aint

[queen swallow]

that makes the nerf even more moronic 😭

Yeah the track is pretty bad

usually goes on a ferris wheel

before just hitting the stage and breaking

[white garden]

Shadow changes is a real problem tho

For example they changed the way the dailies work

And nothing in the patch

[queen swallow]

Yeah straight up

let your community know

[white garden]

For real

Make no sense those shadow things...

[white garden]

you cant rely on that moove if you really are a Marvin player, hitbox is bad, the time is too short anyway, and the projectile prefer just turn around your opponant without touching him most of the time

this moove need a buff it is a really bad one

the only time i would use it is when ringing out my opponant or after using up special

but as you cant rely on the hitbox while you put the flag just randomly put it near the middle of a stage or on a platform to make it use more space

[queen swallow]

I end combos with it sometimes

Jab flag

but idk if its worth anymore

esp if cd is off

only getting one tracking proj

[white garden]

I didnt even notice without you mentioning it cuz the time was very short anyway

I had tendence to shot twice but as you mention it now i realize that my second shot always didnt get the target

was thinking i was too short on time

[queen swallow]

nope

And dair doesnt combo into button

until like

50

-60

[white garden]

but yeah dosnt really affect me as it is already bad and didnt used that much anyway ^^

[queen swallow]

rip button loops

[white garden]

yeah notice the button tho

I like just go for jab jab sair then just improvise

[queen swallow]

really tragic

[white garden]

may be they ll buff us next patch xd

but even in the low tier cast we still manage to make people cry so

[queen swallow]

yeah

[white garden]

it is very satisfaying ngl

[queen swallow]

😭

[white garden]

xD

[queen swallow]

mid tier getting multiple nerfs

ggs

[white garden]

at least they tried to nerf the top tiers this time

[queen swallow]

lmaoo

[white garden]

xD

[lethal beacon]

theres a few bugs w marvin

sometimes bubble will just pass through the enemy

[fringe trout]

Peak game design

[white garden]

no one care about the phantom projectile that affect a lot Marvin's gameplay 😢

plz vote and comment

[wooden kite]

Where

[white garden]

https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-3087

[wooden kite]

Bored

[terse dock]

I hope they fix the infinite lock-on bug soon

Just lost a game against a Marvin because of it

[white garden]

dam how did he do ? xD

[terse dock]

How that bug happened you mean?

Just plant a fully charged flag right on someones head

Then that enemy will have lock-on until death

[white garden]

why is this never happen with me 😢

[lethal beacon]

infinite lock on bug is funny😭

one time where lock on ends up being somewhat useful

[queen swallow]

this is chance

[fringe trout]

Infinite lock-on is mad powerful. I just laugh when it happens because I can just start blasting. Makes for an easy recovery if you're off-stage. Game over if it happens to Iron Giant

[lethal beacon]

the bugs ive noticed are:
infinite lock on
projectiles just phasing through the opponent and not hitting them
rocket going in the other direction

[white garden]

Are we just the most bugged character ? xD

Oh no wait there were something worst with Velma Jason beeing stuck

[lethal beacon]

nah its morty

morty has like 30 bugs😭

there was even a point where if you used neutral attack to detonate grenades it put ur snake shot on cooldown

[flint drum]

damn, they dropped matrix code marvin but he's only in a bundle, and I already spend all my money on the steam sale pff

[vestal plover]

hello, im making an agent smith matchup chart and im looking for a marvin player to test some gorunds with this matchup, should really only need like 5 games to get a good understanding of the matchup

[young zodiac]

That would go to Taz atm

[wooden kite]

What’s wrong with taz

[young zodiac]

•Dash attack change to make the 2nd hit more consistent ended up actually make it less consistent, especially at higher percents

•The Neutral att lock out meant for Supes has now effected Taz's Soup, making it no longer viable for combos

•anvil can no longer be picked up

[wooden kite]

Ohh I see

[lethal beacon]

taz bugs do suck

but morty has way more bugs😭

[young zodiac]

Negligible

Morty is still playable and top tier

[lost sand]

oh, sorry, I meant to reply to you sooner, but I was doing a run of frostiverse. I'm down to play now.

[young zodiac]

Taz is borderline unplayable

[lethal beacon]

Thats cuz he has overtuned things in his kit

Hes playable cuz dirt is stupid strong

[vestal plover]

alright, i just finished with stripe so after i finish eating (like 10 minutes) then we can play

cool?

[lost sand]

I'll play a match in a koth stream, if I lose, I'll ping you when I'm ready. Which should be sometime past 10 minutes, if not more.

[vestal plover]

alright

[vestal plover]

im all set when you are

[lost sand]

turned out I won my koth match, it's take a little bit

[vestal plover]

alr

[vestal plover]

@lost sand

[lost sand]

really sorry for the wait

I'm here now

for reals

[vestal plover]

alr whats your user ill inv

[lost sand]

TheBadJoe, it's the marvin pfp

[lost sand]

try again, I heard the pop, but nothing

[vestal plover]

im just gonna head to the bathroom rq

[lost sand]

np np

[vestal plover]

alright back

ive fought like 4 marvins since release and it was when he was free so i know nothing about the character

[lost sand]

hmm

[vestal plover]

i have no clue what the hell is going on lmao

[lost sand]

hahaha

yeah, it seems very thought when you don't know the mu

tough*

[vestal plover]

him being small does not help at all either

[lost sand]

lemme know if you need some pointers regarding marvin

[vestal plover]

yeah genuinely dont know what the hell is going on

[lost sand]

Alright

once you properly dodge a projectile, it's nullified, it becomes safe basically

you can destroy the ship that I summon

so that the rocket doesn't come out

the flag debuff makes it so that my projectiles can home on you

[steep scroll]

How does Marvin fight Arya? Also how does he generally kill besides the rocket?

[vestal plover]

im gonna have to ask your thoughts on this mu since i dont have projectile shield + no nothing about marvin at all

first character i actually lost to when analyzing characters

[lost sand]

I think I need a lot more mu experience to judge, but I think it's in marvin's favor

Like you'd think that his bullets would crap on his projectiles, but there's just so much that you can't deal with em all

[vestal plover]

i wish i knew more about the character but i never run into him

[lost sand]

One thing I know is that marvin wrecks smith's up b

I remember spiking a smith when he tried to up b from below

[vestal plover]

yeah its smiths worst move by far

i dont think anything in his kit even comes close

[lost sand]

yeah, for sure

so laggy, short range, can be easily punished

which is a shame since I think this has the kill power potential needed

I can't tell if it's like "unwinnable" though, I'd need to play more of that mu against various players

But I'm guessing it's harder for smith to hit smaller characters

[vestal plover]

for me personally its unwinnable lol

[vestal plover]

oh yeah def

among his 5 worst mus, 3 are small characters

then 1 is batman and the other being finn

[lost sand]

friggin finn, I swear to god

[vestal plover]

thank god i top 100 him in beta

so i can deal with rough mus

[lost sand]

hell ye

dealing with finns in tourney made me realise that I gotta play more than just marvin

[vestal plover]

id say marvin though is top 3 worst mus for smith since he doesnt have a ton of bad mus

all small characters minus jake are already even or losing for him

[lost sand]

not a lot of bad mus, huh? That's certainly very interesting for smith.

He does have a fighting chance against a great portion of the cast then

[vestal plover]

his worst mus are gizmo marvin batman stripe and finn

also loses to bg taz and ww

i also dont have data on rick harley and steven but steven is probably winning

and i need to find a decent rick player

[young zodiac]

Bg?

[young zodiac]

We kind of hard stomp ww actually

And Taz 100%

Taz has 0 winning MUs atm

Absolutely gutted tier character atm

[vestal plover]

oh im talking abt smith

[young zodiac]

You're in the Marvin channel, brother.

Thing I said about Taz still stands though

Losing to him at this point is entirely on being bad at the game rather than Taz's strengths

[vestal plover]

i know

[white garden]

Marvin is not a bad match up for Smith at all

The Marvin you fight was propably just better than you at the game for sure

To be fair I dont think the game is balanced enough to propurly talk about bad match up

At this point the top tiers are just bad match up for the low tiers

Now if you compare two high tiers or two low tiers we can talk

But Smith against Marvin is not a thing ^^

[silk pecan]

The stupid projectile phantom glitch on Marvin is killing me

[trim crystal]

Trust me

At the very least stripe has more than marvin

[white garden]

Jaja this is so funny cuz everyone got someone different to say

looks like every characters in the game got some bad bugs xD

[trim crystal]

Pretty much lol

Stripes got some pretty bad ones with his gun
Sometimes it just misses or won't shoot the right amount

Or at least he used to idk if the patch fixed them I haven't played him since
But from the stripes I've fought they seem to still be in the game

[white garden]

damn this one looks annoying too xD

[trim crystal]

Damn buggy game
And sadly the "big patch" barely fixed it

[unique agate]

anyone knows waht attacks can the headbutt cancel and what attacks can he not cancel? obv considering that he cant cance an attact if the other guy has shield or smth

[vestal plover]

I just don't know how to get in on Marvin at all

But Smith struggles with smaller characters

And Marvin can comfortably camp out Smith from approaching

[white garden]

humm

no offense but

skill issue

[vestal plover]

Other smiths are also telling me it's bad

Plus it's OK to win a matchup that's not a bottom 5 character

[white garden]

may be you should ask a good one that actually know what is doing ^^

[white garden]

if Marvin is not a bottom 5 rn he s easily bottom 6 xD

[vestal plover]

Do you genuinely think Marvin is worse in 1s than reindog jake Velma jason LeBron and garnet?

[white garden]

Marvin and Reindog would be the same tier

Lebron is better than Marvin for 1s

I ll put Jason garnet Jake and Velma bellow him

[vestal plover]

💀

[unique agate]

dude wdym

if u know how to use marvin hes easily A tier

[fringe trout]

And if your opponent knows how to counter him he's easily low tier

[wheat bear]

I did something dirty with Marvin on Court 2

I hit Arya with the ball by throwing it up at her while she was under the basket, and she had so much hitstun that the dunk exploding comboed

[blissful oxide]

The dodge button:

[fringe trout]

Players dodge Marvin's attacks like the plague but walk into Shaggy kick

[trim crystal]

I love it when people try and run from the rocket
And just end up jumping right next to the top blast zone so it hits them and they die at like 20

[lethal beacon]

i was getting cooked by garnet today

garnet advantage state is scary

[blissful oxide]

Do you honestly think marvin is a skill based character or does he just spam to win?

[young zodiac]

Skill based.

Spam with him and see what happens.

You might win. Chances are they're the same people who complain about Shaggy side kick

[blissful oxide]

A lot of people seem to think he projectile spams but I've realized that his melee attacks are so stubby or slow thats the only reliable way to engage

[young zodiac]

You'll need to learn to dodge cancel jab to start combos or space side special/side air

Neutral Attack gives you a wonderful advance option for neutral control to let you get it with your melee attacks

And there's also Down Air. The holy grail. The great looper.

No, Marvin is a scapper. With great projectile tools to help control neutral

[blissful oxide]

There was this one batman that kept trying to attack from above so he could knock me above him, didn't know how to deal with that since up attack was coming out too slow or being dodged.

Neutral bubble was working well in defending the area in front of me

[violet hemlock]

Marvin sucks

[white garden]

Funniest character in the game

I wish the game was a little more balance so Marvin could really shine

But that s also cool that people dosnt know the match up ngl 😅

[fringe trout]

It's your only hope for winning, it's hilarious when it works though

[unique edge]

marvin the goat

[lethal beacon]

skill based

you cant really spam much on marvin apart from up tilt / up air

tbh i kinda wish air side special killed

i also wish that dash attack was better

[trim crystal]

Characters dash attacks are either unbelievably stupid or completely useless

[odd stream]

Looking at you Joker

[trim crystal]

Aryas kills stupid early

[odd stream]

I remember i died at 31 at Arya using the 5% Perk

[trim crystal]

I honestly just dislike dash attacks being added in general

Or maybe I'm just salty that the characters I play don't have very good ones

[odd stream]

I dont mind them bc i just swapped by neutral attack

My

So

[lethal beacon]

some dash attacks are insanely good

but some others are pretty dookie

[trim crystal]

When I played other characters like reindog
Like his dash attack isn't the the best especially because it's a multihit so it'll just bug out most times
But I'd use it to chase someone who dodged away and because it was one of his better kill moves

I have not once intentionally used Marvin's dash attack

[odd stream]

Id never thought a good Marvin player will cook me

[blissful oxide]

TRUE

It's basically

An extended kick

That uses one of your specials

And you can already extend your kick by dodge canceling

It should be chargable and given more killpower

So you don't have to hit your enemy in the middle of the screen at 150 just for them to survive it

I also think

Down air special should be less useless

Maybe it could grab anyone beneath you and you drag them all the way to the ground

Like a

homing to the where the flag is following

if you know what I mean

[odd stream]

Which perk should i use:Space Ranger or V Perks

[blissful oxide]

I like space ranger

It's for extending combos

[odd stream]

Im just stuck between them tbh bc both sound good

[blissful oxide]

But I think it's really interchangeable between the 3 rockets

On one hand some people just destroy your spaceship as fast as possible and there's no time for even one rocket to come out, let alone three

on the other they dodge the one singular rocket and it becomes useless due to a bug where it won't hit them even when reversed

[odd stream]

Ill avoid that perk then

[blissful oxide]

I mean

The rocket IS marvin's best kill move

[odd stream]

No i meant bc of the glitch

[blissful oxide]

It doesn't happen that often because people try their best to get as far away from the rocket as possible instead of dodging it

[lethal beacon]

space ranger is better

[blissful oxide]

space ranger should honestly be part of his default moveset

Some other characters get crazy perks and one of marvin's best is "you can aim in the air"

[wheat bear]

F-air is sitting right over there in tears, my friend

[odd stream]

I dont know why isnt part of it

[blissful oxide]

I think a good replacement perk wouold be something like "faster moving bubble"

[odd stream]

And make it slightly bigger to get bigger projectiles

[lethal beacon]

but everyone spams forward air

[odd stream]

They do?

[wheat bear]

Well yeah, but on Marvin it combos into itself

I looped a Bugs with 4 of them once

Actually, for those who didn't know, you can destroy heavy objects with d-air and d-tilt/d-light, whatever you wanna call it

This includes Bugs' ACME Rocket

[odd stream]

Im new to Marvin ill try to do it

[lethal beacon]

a majority of characters do

jake, rick, morty, stripe etc

[odd stream]

I meant for Marvin

[lethal beacon]

idk cuz I dont come across a lot of marvins

[odd stream]

Reindog and Marvin players dont exist

Im both

I play both

[fringe trout]

We probably have the worst dash attack in the game. When I played Bugs I could cancel the dash on a successful hit to start a combo. Can't cancel Marvin's dash, just stuck in place for a second, free to get hit

[lethal beacon]

we do have the worst dash attack in the game😭

[wheat bear]

If you do, don't do it up close (obviously, since he's an aggro zoner) cause you'll risk still getting hit while it's getting destroyed. Do it as far away as possible, and try to do it with the right angle if possible to minimize the chance you'll get it. If you can't, that's fine, but if you can, grounded for upwards, aerial version for sideways

[wheat bear]

Iirc doesn't it have armor break on it?

[fringe trout]

No, but it hits 3 or 4 times

[white garden]

Down atk is the right term 👍

[wheat bear]

Yeah, that thing lol

[wheat bear]

Ohhh, so basically it's only like that if you use either Unstoppable Force or Armor Break. I might've just forgot I had one equipped now that I think about it lol

[white garden]

Plz Marvin player's vote and comment the bug on phantom projectiles so we can actually use the button and the bubble xD

https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-3087

Devs only care to correct the bugs with votes '-'

[odd stream]

What kind of sense does that make

[queen swallow]

Marv is heavily bugged

[white garden]

I mean there is so much bugs in the game looks like we need to put them in the right direction you know

[odd stream]

He is?

[odd stream]

There on the right track rn they just dont mess it up

[white garden]

glad to know it

thanks

[trim crystal]

if gifs could embed i would send a handshake gif

[queen swallow]

yeah

unfortunately

[odd stream]

I havent really experienced it them so

[queen swallow]

most havent

[odd stream]

What bugs does he even have

[trim crystal]

ive had the bug of his rocket flying in the opposite direction

but thats really it

i guess theres also the whole phantom projectile thing but i'd consider that just something that would buff marvin instead of a bug he has

[odd stream]

Ive seen a Marvins rocket go the other direction but it looked like it looked it was going forward

[trim crystal]

itll go the direction the missile is facing

[odd stream]

While it was bubbled

[trim crystal]

but like if marvin is on the left side of the ship then sometimes it'll just fly to the right

[trim crystal]

oh that

yea thats just bubble stuff

[odd stream]

That confused me when i first saw that

[trim crystal]

funny though

people will think they're safe and suddenly the missile is flying in a completely different direction

[odd stream]

So it can catch people off guard

[trim crystal]

yea

most of the time i save bubble to play around

its so slow that you can stay near it and they cant really approach you

but the occasional missile stuff will catch some easy kills

[odd stream]

Im still getting used to Marvin he seems like a fun character

And needs a brain to play

[trim crystal]

exactly

idk if i would even be playing the game if i didnt try him

so many characters are so brainless that playing someone who makes you actually think is super satisfying

[odd stream]

Looking at you Finn and WW

[trim crystal]

taz as well for me

i know is isnt top tier or anything

but i swear he only has like 4 moves

[odd stream]

I hate fighting Taz bc smashing 4 buttons doesnt me you won fair and square

Sound like a skill issue tho

[trim crystal]

I don't doubt that a skill issue is part of it

Although specifically up attack on taz is just stupid

[odd stream]

I think its just need him get him off me

[young zodiac]

As a Taz main and a Marvin main who's played both sides of the matchup, you're skill issued.

Marvin should just freely win it

The maximum threatening move Taz has on Marvin is a his dash attack. And that's currently bugged to just randomly not connect at higher percents

And aerial approach you can stuff with up attacks and side special

Any ground attacks you have the vertical advantage.

If I'm Taz, I'm looking to fish for a Nair to start a combo, up att stuff it. If I go desperate and side special or up special, Marvin has projectiles to stuff them and height advantage as well to wait out the duration

[lethal beacon]

is Jake a bad MU for marvin

[scenic carbon]

no

[lethal beacon]

idk how to fight that character when he keeps spacing me out with stretchy punch

[young zodiac]

neutral att pretty much shuts down alot of what jake does if he goes in

side special is good if he wants to spam house

[lethal beacon]

this was like the first time ive fought a good jake so i didnt know how to fight him

[white garden]

Jake is one of the worst character in the game

[wooden kite]

Might have just been his play style was difficult to deal with

[silk pecan]

Marvin needs help. What would you guys suggest to buff Marvin?

[fringe trout]

Fix phantom projectiles which destroy his core gameplan (https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-3087)

[silk pecan]

Knew about that already, this seriously sucks. How could this have passed them by?

[fringe trout]

Up special also needs help. The hitbox is smaller than visual collisions and the slow startup time is hard to combo with. Don't even mention the damage/knockback

[silk pecan]

That absolutely needs a adjustment.

[white garden]

We need a kill move some character have multiple ones we havent any

Anything side air atk, down atk or side air special

Something that kill before 150 that s all we need plz

[silk pecan]

Besides the rocket, absolutely

[queen swallow]

The rocket isnt even that good

does 9 damage

[fringe trout]

Meanwhile WW side special does 17

[normal elm]

tbf

That move is more of a hard read/whiff punish

Takes while to charge and is super easy to punish if just thrown out for no reason

[lethal beacon]

Buff Dash Attack
Give Flag a hitbox on air version as its descending
Give air side special more knockback
Make up tilt / up airs horizontal KB = vertical KB

[lethal beacon]

got a lot of KB though so ill take it

marvin doesnt really struggle with dmg

[flint drum]

its funny, marvin can't kill sometimes but also he can be so hard to get in on that it might not matter
I played my one marvin friend and I just could not compete, no matter who I played I was just pelted with projectiles and couldn't get in

that same friend also had the exact same realization when they tried out agent smith, they dm'd me like "I am ready to apologize to everyone I've played against as marvin"

[white garden]

What is kb ?

[fringe trout]

Knockback

[lethal beacon]

uncharged bubble is so goated im ngl

its so good

[unique agate]

hey what attacks can the marvin headbutt cancel?

like ig it doesnt block jasons air side but ik it blocks wonder womans air side

[golden root]

he can be absolutely obnoxious to hit sometimes too. it's so fun how side and shipless up special can change your air trajectory in ways they're not expecting. incredibly floaty little menace

[young zodiac]

Buff Headbutt hitbox
Buff up att and up air KB
Buff projectile IDs so by capturing a projectile with neutral att transforms the item id to a new move so it wont remain as a phantom projectile once dodged before the capture

[lethal beacon]

marvins phantom projectiles are really annoying

after you dodge a projectile it no longer is active on marvin which is really annoying

[young zodiac]

i think that's fair though

it's not fair if you take the time to transform it into a new projectile, like with the nair/natt bubble

[lethal beacon]

it becomes annoying once you reverse the projectile just to realise its a phantom projectile

[young zodiac]

it may be annoying but it'd be incredibly broken esp on projectiles like Rocket. with good timing you can essentially switch a projectile while it's in an oppponent, making it a guareenteed hit if it didnt become phantom.

That's broken.

The goal of a buff should be to make a character more in line with others.

[lethal beacon]

most good players break rocket before it spawns

it probably wouldnt be broken anyway

sounds broken on paper but rockets always been strong

phantom projectiles were never an intended game mechanic, its a bug that exist on marvin

and it wouldnt be a buff per say, its a bug fix

[brave remnant]

Make buttons hitbox slightly larger so it can be used to stagger pressure and be a more viable alternate route

Give ufo a touch more hp, so it doesn't get insta gibbed randomly

Let Marvin hold his purple beam longer.

Imo thats all he needs.

I don't think I need more ko potential, because I can drag a fight out and take minimal damage if I don't make big errors. I can juggle an opponent enough to make them respect my vertical space. Fixing phantom projectile also. Biggest thing is that 100%.

An absolute menace uptilting in 2v2s with any decent partner.

Bubble stagger is real

Positional ko potential is real.

Marvin's in here like to pretend we don't get 30% kos because a person jumped one thing and ate a rocket or a trumpet call higher than is safe

I've gotten kos just by 2x uptilt, jump trumpet, jump trumpet. Opponent had very little dmg, just made a tactical error.

If they di into you and then dodge, pretty easy to punish vertically

My worst matches seem to be against black adams, and Tom Jerry

For a lack of being able to reach them. We both end up camping and kinda doing hit and runs.

Here's a potentially lethal scenario, you low jump dair to start, grounded uptilt, upspecial, jump, upspecial, react to dodge or di appropriately and if they react poorly they get top zoned, not even counting the ufo and rocket

[lethal beacon]

ive gotten used to purple beam

also I dont think they will buff that move

actually I dont want them to touch that move at all

its already really strong

[white garden]

Clearly the best moove in his kit

[lethal beacon]

id argue its bubble

bubble is like a top 5 projectile

uncharged bubble is also really good

[velvet vessel]

I think marvin has one of the best down tilts in the game idk

[young zodiac]

too much end lag and doesnt even kill until 130 off edge to even be considered "best"

it's good though.

[velvet vessel]

It controls so much space, armor breaks and idk

Gets gapped by arya down tilt but

Very good button

[velvet vessel]

I think its only competition unironically is like arya, WW, maybe joker? But joker has to go like airwalker to get extreme value out of his

[wheat bear]

If someone comes here to complain about a Marvin spamming S-air Special, that me lol

[queen swallow]

Bubble on and off cooldown is his best move

it controls neutral and allows approaches off cooldown

and stuffs approaches on cooldown

always leads to combos

its just great

Dtilt is good

but it is easily parryable

from all the marvs ive fought

so

[flint drum]

#clips message

this is the most marvin I've seen in awhile

[wooden kite]

That’s awesome lol

[lethal beacon]

on cooldown bubble is so good its insane

legit it straight up denies superman side B

and its a good answer to harley slide

[lost sand]

I've started using a keybind made especially for bubble so that I can remind myself to use it more often and more consistently

(neutral attack)

[young zodiac]

Neutral Attack bind is incredibly important for alot of characters. Glad to hear you binded it

[white garden]

why keyboard make you realize you have more buttons ?

you can map your button for the neutral attack on controller you know ^^

i mean mapping sorry bad english

[wheat bear]

Marvin N-attack is honestly just better Mega Man lemons lol

[flint drum]

its very tempting to treat myself to tooniverse marvin, but then season 2 is gonna happen soon so I'm conflicted, I should probably wait

[queen swallow]

not really but they are both amazing

[lethal beacon]

tooniverse marvin is great im ngl

even flag looks different too

[wheat bear]

Does it really look different?

Also got Space Jam '96 Marvin cause it's subtle, but a clean skin

[wheat bear]

Why do you say that? No beef, just genuinely asking

[queen swallow]

Because mega man lemon is kinda used to spam in the mid range to force an approach or farm damage

Marv bubble

cooldown

slow projectile

can sometimes force an approach

But usually used to create an approach for marv

and you cant spam it in midrange bc cooldown

and if you are on cooldown its kinda useless in midrange

[lethal beacon]

i can send a ss of it iyw

[wheat bear]

Yes please

[lethal beacon]

sent

[wheat bear]

Okay, fair enough. Honestly I meant it as in they both like to abuse the outta it in neutral and throw it out to have a safe zone in front of it, but at that point it's kinda reaching lol

[wheat bear]

Where? ^^;

Nevermind, just got the notif. Thank you ^^

And I'm definitely getting it when I get home

[queen swallow]

i mean yeah

its their main projectile but thats where the similarities end

[tranquil chasm]

why is he an Assassin

[lethal beacon]

j personally enjoy it quite a bit just because it looks really nice on marvin

[queen swallow]

im waiting for a real marv skin

[lethal beacon]

its oddly kinda fitting

[queen swallow]

Characters that play neutral and then rushdown suddenly are usually assassins

[lethal beacon]

he has projectiles but you dont play them out like ur a mage

[wheat bear]

Because he's an explosive rushdown that can ko you at 0 if set up right (I know half the cast can do it, but Marvin has enough setup to do it reliably)

[queen swallow]

marv can kill at 0 on a damn miracle

[wheat bear]

When I say rushdown btw, I mean he wants to be close enough to capitalize on his projectiles, like n-light

Not that he's all physical attacks like Jason

If I'm wrong, please tell me so. I don't wanna spread misinformation

[lethal beacon]

killing at all

[finite blaze]

very potent kill setups vertically and the way he can position 50/50 setups or just outright kill off a teammates wrong 50/50 guess and then keep their ladder going anyways

a 3 hit combo starting at 50 can turn into a kill with a missile setup

[finite blaze]

also having these on tanks is a pretty big feature of assassins too

[finite blaze]

also longshot q but how do I get trackergg to track my marvin mmr/stats bc I never played him in beta (i stopped playing beta right around black adam's launch)

he shows up un my matches just fine but otherwise i cant see anything

[autumn patrol]

I Feel Like They Both Serve Different Purposes, Megaman’s Lemons Focus On Chip Damage And Spacing (Along With Being Able To Disrupt Attacks From A Distance And Knock Back When Close Up.) While I Feel Like Marvin’s Bubbles More So Are Additive To Other Moves Or Playstyle Like Being Able To Cause Mix-Ups With His Other Projectiles, Force An Option, Or Set Up For A Punish.

No Slander Btw I Just Like Having An Excuse To Be Able To Talk About Game Design And Also Inadvertently Give Info On Moves.

[wheat bear]

No no, if anything I welcome this kinda talk

[autumn patrol]

Thanks, I Don’t Mean To Sound Corrective Or Assertive, I Just Like Yapping.

[wooden kite]

I agree yari

[young zodiac]

Oh god I hate the way this was typed.

[wooden kite]

You mean how every word is capitalized?

[young zodiac]

Yes.

[wooden kite]

The way you type is scary

[autumn patrol]

:3

[fringe trout]

Explosive montage #2: #clips message

[terse dock]

so many capital letters, makes it hard to read

[tight laurel]

do any of you guys post marvin gameplay i wanna be inspired, couldn’t find any online

(1v1)

[young zodiac]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7_ySY6PxaQ

the best montage ive seen

[flint drum]

flag was on sale again
I got it this time, had to

[timid tangle]

man
i really wish Marvin's kill power is at least increased or addressed

being unable to kill an arya with an up air at 140% doesn't feel fair

[flint drum]

secretly this is the EVO announcement
no new characters or trailers being shown off, just them saying "btw marvin is getting buffed, see ya"

[timid tangle]

god i hope lol

sometimes im like "this is gonna be a nasty clip" and then his sair or uair just doesn't kill

that and i hope his matchups get more bearable
the marvin/morty and marvin/finn matchup make me feel like inserting my fingers into a live wire

also the projectiles that have a hitbox but just don't hit people like bubble rocket that thing barely ever hits

....and attacks just cancelling the knockback momentum of rocket instead of adding to it

yeah some fixing really needs to happen

[tight laurel]

TY!! 🎀

[finite blaze]

my biggest gripes are side b colliding with invisible surfaces/platforms

like grounded side b into air side b doesnt work for some reason

and it not getting the same hitbox duration extension as other side specials

[fringe trout]

Knockback canceling is another huge one. I've lost matches because the finishing rocket hits just before another weaker move in the setup. I know for certain this wasn't an issue before release

[fringe trout]

Projectile platform collisions mess up several tricks possiblebefore. Rifle could be shot downwards through platforms to catch players from below or shot through your ship. An angled bubble rocket on Dexter's will often bounce away to oblivion

[timid tangle]

bubble rocket is just pointless to do for the most part anyway

i don't think I've had it hit anybody once

[finite blaze]

i think generally the platform collisions work with projectiles

[timid tangle]

the bubble is so deceiving

[finite blaze]

like i like the angles you can do with bubble/side three with the edges

[wooden kite]

You can get cool stuff with it

[finite blaze]

its just the air side b that gets caught on the plats that is really frustrating

[timid tangle]

i mean, yeah, but I've never seen like an actual practical use for bubble rocket like
ever

it looks cool but like

[finite blaze]

thats bc youre putting the wrong rocket in it 🙂

gotta put bugs rocket in it

🙂

[timid tangle]

i mean one change im glad about is making the spaceship perk more actually viable

[lethal beacon]

I use bubble rocket sometimes to confuse people

because bubble rocket on redirect, redirects the direction of the bubble not the rocket

so it looks like its going one way but its going the other way

i wouldnt say its pointless anyway purely just cuz bubble is on a short cooldown anyway

and on cooldown bubble is also pretty solid

[fringe trout]

Bubbling rocket gets you two reverses for free, only the second occurs at a fixed time

[timid tangle]

i guess? i don't know
i usually end up using bubble as a quick projectile that the opponent has to play around and i can get an attack in when they dodge
i tend to use rocket in addition to flag for kill confirms or without flag to redirect and maintain control of the stage

i should probably incorporate bubble rocket into my gameplay more, i just never really found it practical

[young zodiac]

My favorite bubbles are the bubble bubble

And the upatt bubble

[flint drum]

marvin nation
beating people up in the name of mars

[fringe heron]

RAHHH IN THE NAME OF MARS 🎌🎌

[timid tangle]

in the mars of name

[golden root]

in the mame of nars?

[timid tangle]

in the marm of narns

tell em bedman

[fringe trout]

Where's the kaboom-shattering Earth

[scenic carbon]

There was Earth to kaboom supposed an be shattering!

[flint drum]

once again I have to ask myself why they thought buffing finn last patch was a good idea

[timid tangle]

and no marvin buff

[flint drum]

remove phantom projectiles, please!

[finite blaze]

please give side 3 one more second of lifetime lol

most baffling nerf

[flint drum]

someone can dodge it ONCE and bam its useless
they did NOT need to nerf it like jesus

[fringe trout]

It was OP when you sit back in 2v2s and flood the screen with 3-4 jab 3s. But the issue was very low priority. Phantoms are still a thing lol

[finite blaze]

even in twos its still a big commitment as you pretty much are always either leaving your teammate to temporarily 1v2, or you surrender stage to run away from your 1v1, or you break off from staying paired with your teammate

as one of the only side combos with just way worse hitboxes than everyone elses

like sure WW armor and sitting back and doing a bunch was a bit annoying but the problem was WW and honestly thats not a comp of WW's thats particularly meta noteworthy

[timid tangle]

at least jab 3 is really god for spiking offstage for the edgeguarding

[golden root]

as long as its still good at the spike and edgeguard im ok with it. hell im even alright if he doesnt really get buffed, but phantom projectiles, bubbles with no hurtbox, and unpredictable rockets are killing me

[timid tangle]

oh yeah do other people get that bug where like rockets just launch in the complete opposite direction

like without the reverse obvs

[golden root]

unpredictability with game bugs isnt something i can really form a gameplan around and is quite frustrating at times

yeahhh

sometimes it just doesnt feel like being on the clock and goes the wrong way

[scenic carbon]

The first time I hit the jab combo, I do the whole thing and just remember their DI so that I can hit the bubble -> up special confirm later

[undone cradle]

Ight guys so realistically umn… wtf

How do i escape this assassin mage

[lethal beacon]

who do you play

[timid tangle]

nah cuz it's annoying if i do it at the edge or i don't have any reflects available because i just lose it for no reason lol

this character has so many bugs that just hinder gameplay that makes me just
surprised

and i thought the morty bugs were bad

on another note
general question

do yall religiously run that's flammable or do you people try other stuff

[young zodiac]

No. It was insanely strong before.

[young zodiac]

Dodge button. Map it.

[finite blaze]

The bar for "insanely strong" is much much higher than that

Esp with no drawback nobrainer buttons that are just massive

[undone cradle]

Main is finn but i mess around with half the roster 😂😂 just got whooped playing as smith against a marvin