Marvin The Martian

[brazen inlet]

What's with the bouncy projectile??

It's so werird

And it doesn't anything anywhere in his moveset

I'm planning to since he's kinda like bugs in the way of spamming stuff till it works yk

He seems more reliable than bugs since bugs is very reliant on his safe

[broken pewter]

That’s his jab3 it produces a projectile that bounces on screen

[brazen inlet]

Ohh that could be why then

Is there any way I could use it asides doing the stilt combo?

[broken pewter]

I will save you the hassle of learning this the hard way he’s not a very good character and will take time to fully understand all his nuances but I believe it’s worth it

[broken pewter]

Yes you can use it to edge guard and to set up stage if they’re off it because your neutral special will reverse its direction allowing you to control where it goes

Oh you mean having to finish the jab, theirs not a way to do that unfortunately

You have to do the full jab to get it

[brazen inlet]

Idk he seems good to me. I just do wish his down special was a bit better

[brazen inlet]

Yea I noticed his neutral special can reverse his own projectiles but idk how exactly to do it fast and if it even is useful

[broken pewter]

His down special is very good it makes all your projectiles homing allowing you to get some crazy pressure

[brazen inlet]

Yea ik what it does. I just feel like it's very predictable and quite slow despite him being labeled as an assassin

Which can mean you get punished for it and then knocked out due to how light he is

[broken pewter]

It’s very useful think of using it as a way to give your enemy a false sense of security they think they dodged your projectile but really they’re coming back and they already used their jumps kinda thing like that

[brazen inlet]

Also his side aerial special is funky

[brazen inlet]

But how would I get their if my opponent is running me down?

[broken pewter]

Don’t take the classes as anything but words in the beta he was more of an assassin now he’s more mage like but he still has his assassin capabilities

[broken pewter]

Use it as setup you don’t want to be using it in neutral

[brazen inlet]

Ofc ik he's pretty much mage, but if they're gonna classify as assassin, make his moves a bit faster yk

[brazen inlet]

How do I use it as a setup?

And ngl, I'm confused by the term neutral

[broken pewter]

Bubble blaster (neutral attack), down tilt and down air are your best friends they give you space just gotta be patient and counter attack and take your chances when you see them

[brazen inlet]

Like "good neutral" and stuff like that

[broken pewter]

Neutral is just when no one is at an advantage so for example at the start of the game no one has stage presence yet

[brazen inlet]

Okok I see now. But isn't it a priority to use the big bubble since it helps a lot?

[brazen inlet]

Ohh I see. What about at advantage and disadvantage?

[broken pewter]

Let’s say you use your up special you can use down special afterwards to make your rocket homing and a kill option things like that

[broken pewter]

When you’re in advantage like when the enemy is off stage is when you want to be setting up your stage using up special to get rocket ready, putting down flag to scare them from moving there, using bubble blaster to make the walk in harder things like that

[brazen inlet]

Ohh I understand now. What about perks? I'm using the aiming perk, doc, speed, and armor killer

[brazen inlet]

What about in disadvantage?

[broken pewter]

And in disadvantage its tough but it’s doable you can use bubble to help cut off some areas they can push you from, if they’re in their end lag you can use side special to punish them and gain space, and if you’re out of options always remember your ship counts as a platform you can call ship in solely to buy you time and remember your down tilt and down air break armor so you can use those if they’re running at you with armor

[broken pewter]

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[broken pewter]

One thing you don’t need armor killer your down tilt and down air break armor and don’t be afraid to spam it, it’s one of your best moves so you can replace your last one for another one

[brazen inlet]

Oh right but ngl I just hate armor spam so it's kinda my default perk

[brazen inlet]

Ooo I see. Tysm for helping me out. How much hp does his ship have?

[broken pewter]

No problem I love talking about Marvin, and your ship hp I’m not exactly sure but it’s very paper thin most characters side air will one shot it so i just assume it has maybe like 10 hp maybe

[queen swallow]

My controller

broke

so um no labbing

[broken pewter]

That makes me very angry, very angry indeed

[queen swallow]

Its okay maybe Marvin will be buffed by the time I get a new controller

not copium

[broken pewter]

Definitely not Copium

[queen swallow]

I heard BanMan found marvin tech he said its hard to explain so we have to wait for the vid but from what it seems its a 2s thing

[broken pewter]

Unfortunate 😔

I’m hoping I’m able to use it in 1s

[normal elm]

I think they should fix that imo

It’s kinda annoying

[normal elm]

Tbh he just needs a kilo move

Kill*

Imo

A fully charged up air and a fully charged side air should kill

They should also consider adding a charge mechanic to his down normal and dair imo to give it more kill power and a mix up

It would have the same range you just get to charge it

That’s how I’d buff the Martian making his charged whiff punishes/dodge reads kill for their risk investment

[last ridge]

marvin is the only character im good at anymore

[fringe trout]

His whole playstle revolves around projectiles lingering, hope it does get fixed

[eternal arch]

Alright, fellas. I just picked up this character and my pea brain is struggling to secure kills. Is that just a Marvin thing or do I suffer from git gud?

[pseudo tide]

oh no marvin's kill power is bad

you gotta get crafty to confirm

[eternal arch]

That what I've noticed-- he's fun, though! And his crouch walk animation was enough to make me drop LeBron for a while lol

I've been getting stomped left and right but refuse to change 😤 I've been having too much fun

[lost sand]

I find it funny that his crouch walk is actually a passive ability according to the move list.

[eternal arch]

That's amazing. I noticed you can use it to duck a lot of projectiles and attacks

[fringe trout]

They nerfed the crouch, slower than beta

[queen swallow]

agreed

But I like the idea of my button change if they dont want to make him kill easier

[trim patrol]

Woo!

[scenic carbon]

Dair -> button -> bubble -> imagination, real combo?

Hard for me to test on anything other than bots

[neat coral]

real.. i love marvin, but the lack of kill power makes me upset. I wanna be a pro with marvin but it's tough when opponents are surviving at 170%💀 making me think if it's even possible to be professional

i mean obviously it can be and there's amazing players but damn the kill power makes me sad

[abstract grove]

i get most of my kills juggling them to the top but for times that doesnt work the double weakness perks help alot

press the advantage and last stand that is

[mighty lagoon]

170% with marvin
And ive knockedout an opp at 54% with shaggy ☠️
Crazy, nice balance team

[queen swallow]

I mean Shaggy is top tier rn so

i mean ofc

[broken pewter]

If Marvin had kill confirms he’d be a demon

[queen swallow]

He has jab jab nair up b if you can ready di its good

but it took me a while to get consistent

[broken pewter]

I use this but i still have to pray it kills even at 120+ which is insane

[mighty lagoon]

so broken

The current balance aint good at all

some characters are heavily unbalanced

[queen swallow]

yeah certain stages are rough

[queen swallow]

i agree buts its barely 1.01 so just wait

[mighty lagoon]

thank god ranked isn't out

if it was then it not fair at all probs this and disconnects are the reason ranked isnt out

[queen swallow]

yeah overall until disconnect issue is solved ranked not being in is a good thing

[eager onyx]

tilt 3 and dash attack kill around 150

ans tilt 3 kills at like 100 or so if it spikes

60% of my kills are from rocket while like 30% of my kills are from tilt 3 and like 10% of my kills are from down air

if you miss rocket you just have to kill with f tilt

I don't even go for down tilt to kill

because f tilt is a projectile that last on the map for a long period of time

and with it being a kill option it's just good

if u have rocket on cd

[clear sapphire]

Yeah, I agree with most of what u said. Down tilt doesn't kill, unless close to egde of stage. Most my kills are just debuffing them and using uptilt to shoot 'em

Triple rocket Im finding is my preferred perk

(completely irrelevant but I love marvins crouching/walking animation, and when he hits his button 😂 )

[placid minnow]

I can’t play without Space Invader

[fringe trout]

Used to play with Modulater instead of Space invader. I have switched to Space Invader solely because the up shooting animation is crooked 😭

[queen swallow]

😭😭😭

[clear sapphire]

Thats fair, maybe one day I will see the utility

Crooked 😂 I love it

[clear sapphire]

Best Marvin skin so far?

[gloomy apex]

Has anyone else had a bug where rocket just goes through someone like its not a active projectile anymore somehow?

[neat coral]

yeah, alot of bubbled projectiles seem to not hit sometimes

[fringe trout]

If the opponent dodges the first time, the projectile cannot hit again.
Silly feature, screws over Marvin heavily

[gloomy apex]

Wait actually? Thats dumb af

[lost sand]

I've definitly had that happen to me once.

[queen swallow]

Okay Ive been hearing a lot of Marvin is A-S tier even in 1s and I just cant agree with that for multiple reasons
-The obvious stuff lack of kill power/combo game that all the top tiers have(obvious)
-A common argument is he is great and needs to be explored but the character has been in for a year and I have been playing him all the way through, and he has been played by people like FPZ who had really great results with Marvin but even he dropped Marvin, so is Marvins issue really lack of experimentation when Marvin experts who had success in the beta are dropping him for banana guard.
-Finally characters like Gizmo who are also hard have found success all the way through and is frankly just as underplayed as Marvin

Id like to hear more takes

there is more to say but those are the big points synthesized

@tired seal I know you were arguing he is top 5 so I just thought you should see my opinion

[broken pewter]

Referee Marvin or toonverse

[tired seal]

Just keep playing and improving you’ll see it soon enough

[queen swallow]

Ive been playing him for over a year😭

[tired seal]

Personally I wouldn’t even main a character if I didn’t think they were at least A tier top 10 range, idk why or how you manage to downplay him so much

[queen swallow]

He used to be better

[tired seal]

My friend who mains him played 80+ games with me and we have a 79% win rate

[queen swallow]

Because I just like Marvin he used to be top 5 but he has fallen

[queen swallow]

He is good in 2s

I mentioned in 1s

[tired seal]

The system mechanics have “nerfed” a lot of characters

Marvin is still great however

[queen swallow]

Marvin is great in 2s meh in 1s

[tired seal]

At the end of the day time will tell, don’t worry too much about what I think

I can certainly be wrong but I only see him ascending with time.

[queen swallow]

Ik it will its just discussion

[tired seal]

Yeah! Thanks for the tag, nice chat

[queen swallow]

I just thought it was an interesting take

[broken pewter]

In my opinion Marvin’s b+ if he gets consistent kill power he’ll be A

[queen swallow]

I agree

unfortunately B+ in the game where top tier to mid tier gap is pretty large is very odd

[steel oyster]

I think it's hard to see him move up. Very long CDs but they need those CDs or he would be S++ so he's very hard to balance.

[queen swallow]

And also he is hard to balance because the gap in his power in 1s and 2s

[tired seal]

this gotta easily be the most slept on character

[queen swallow]

I think Supe is probably most slept on

[steel oyster]

I wouldn't mind seeing more spike power from down normal but other than that his kit is pretty refined

[tired seal]

No??

[steel oyster]

Extremely high skill ceiling and extremely low floor. Requires a very skilled player to pull him off.

[tired seal]

Superman is incredibly good

[queen swallow]

Most people dont have supe in top 10

[steel oyster]

It's because of my last message

[tired seal]

I’ve seen quite a few people mention more people should be complaining about or pointing out Superman potential

Superman is absolutely top 10

[gloomy apex]

i mean superman is just a cheese coinflip character

he loses everygame until he gets a cheese kill at 5%

[tired seal]

Bros livin in beta with that statement

He takes more skill now and is still good

[gloomy apex]

living in 2s*

he just takes skilled sniper and kills at 0 off a teamates jab

[steel oyster]

In the right hands superman is a god tier fighter. In the wrong hands he's one of the worst very much not a noob friendly figter

[tired seal]

he do be kinda wiling in 2s but this the Marvin chat lol

If we pick this up somebody tag me in super chat

[queen swallow]

Ill list my top 10 and you can correct me or tell me whatever not including IG
-WW
-Gizmo
-Harley
-Steven
-Bugs
-Joker
-Black Adam
-Shaggy
-BG
-T&J
-Finn

Kind of ordered

[tired seal]

Can’t this technically be said about any fighter

[queen swallow]

top 5 are listed in order the rest arent

[steel oyster]

Banana and shaggy anyone can hop on and win

[tired seal]

I like this list until the bottom. I think Tom and Finn are not as great right now and banana guard is very overrated too.

[queen swallow]

Tom and Jerry are great rn

BG is high tier in 1s top tier in 2s

big buttons

good survivabilty

big damage and kill powet

[steel oyster]

Rick my main so to me he's top 10 and very underrated

[queen swallow]

Rick is high mid-low high

[gloomy apex]

idk bg is really really good until u learn ur characters counterplay

i think most characters have a single button that beats out everything he wants to do

[queen swallow]

you are kind of correct in 1s and incorrect in 2s

[gloomy apex]

i mean ya he still cheese kills u early in 2s

but u still win neutral against him extremely easily which invalidates the majority of the character

[queen swallow]

side B has a lot of end lag but that move is overrated and not why he is good (besides in 2s its really good) but BGs real weakness in 1s is his lack of being able to mix up recoveries

Good bgs throw out side B rarely

[gloomy apex]

play a game of gizmo and never approach him without starting a combo with arrow

and tell me bg is still top tier

[queen swallow]

I mean Gizmo WW and harley are in a tier of their own

Bg is high tier thats what I said in 1s

[gloomy apex]

ye but i think if ur worst matchup is to one of the best characters in the game

its kinda rough

[queen swallow]

Its not that rough since Gizmos pickrate is close to 1%

[gloomy apex]

ye but in tournes it would be rough

[queen swallow]

Id agree but bg has gotten top 64 in major tourneys more than half the roster

half the roster has not seen top 64 in coinbox or mirromans 1s tourney

bg has seen mutlipke appearances

[gloomy apex]

i mean half the roster feels unplayable

thats an excageration

[queen swallow]

i agree

[gloomy apex]

but half the roster is either awful or extremely underplayed

i mean reindog has the second lowest 1s playrate at 1%

and velma has less than a third of that

[rustic hill]

What’s Marvin’s best way to spike? I’m having issues spiking people out

Also is it worth using both flag and ship at the same time?

[gloomy apex]

i mean just down air into down air

it has alot of base knockback but doesnt scale amazingly from what i can tell

[queen swallow]

i mean dair

but you have the opponent below you at ledge and marks

you can up title the projectile will go down and can spike

you can jab 3 off ledge reverse and projectile will spike

if you get a button off stage that can chain into dair not truly though but its a good set up

[rustic hill]

Are spikes only for downwards I may be using that word incorrectly (I assumed spikes where for all directions so that might be my bad)

[queen swallow]

yeah spikes are just downward

if you want kill confirms thats hard because thats marvins biggest weakness

but jab jab jump nair jump up b is good if you think they will di in or no di

jab jab boost jump nair jump up b is good if you think they will di out

this will kill most characters on most stages at 100

[rustic hill]

Yes that is what I meant lol

[gloomy apex]

sometimes people get the flag debuff for the rest of their stock, is this a bug? and if so how do i do it consistently

[broken pewter]

Yes it’s bug not sure about consistency tho

[eager onyx]

I miss when marvin had side b was a combo tool

honestly beta marcin was way better

ita why moat people dropped hin

honestly csnt see marvin being top 5 atm

[gloomy apex]

hes definitely better currently

in comparison to the rest of the cast

[queen swallow]

wdym by that @gloomy apex

oops

[gloomy apex]

every character in the game got nerfed in comparision to beta

and marvin i dont think got nerfed as much

[fringe trout]

😭

[queen swallow]

he kinda did

[rustic hill]

Is it worth using both ship and flag at the same time

[broken pewter]

Yes but I’d use ship first then flag so you’re able to have more time of homing

[eager onyx]

he got super nerfed

from beta

side b not being able to combo

also down air/ down tilt not being able to be held

also pretty sure fair use to be able to combo

also up air use to kill earlier

[clear sapphire]

I think marvins fine. Hes fun. I didnt play marvin during the beta so my perspective is entirely fresh. Took me awhile to get used to him though

🤠

[flint drum]

the only thing that really changed is normal down air and grounded can't be held

[autumn patrol]

Playing Marvin In 1’s Is Such An Up-Hill Battle It’s Not Even Funny.

[brazen inlet]

Omo

Marvin

Is busted

When paired with lebron

Absolutely braindead

[brazen inlet]

Honestly agreed. New to Marvin but he isn't meta honestly

His melee is slow (especially the special sair)

Most important issue is his lack of kill power

And over reliance of projectiles

[eager onyx]

no

[eager onyx]

also pretty.sure button use to combo.better there was a infinite with button lmao

[flint drum]

well okay the only thing I've actually noticed then pft

I mean hitboxes and hitstun and stuff like that will always change but those move changed how they work

[eager onyx]

Also side b the pull move had more range like yoy could pull them farther distance

I can't find the clip

of the button thing but i swear I've seen it

[flint drum]

I have too

[gloomy apex]

i mean his damage is absolutely disgusting compared to the rest of the cast

i think hes one of the best characters in the game when played well and when with a good duo

bugs martian just destroys people u just have safe back and forth constantly

[eager onyx]

huh his dmg isn't that high compared to like tom.and jerry sho.csn loop you till 180%

[gloomy apex]

ya but that requires a really long loop that never happens in doubles

[eager onyx]

And like outside of straight combo potential charecter like Jason and black atom hit eay harder

[gloomy apex]

vs marvin can just do his loop thats alot more damage alot faster

[eager onyx]

marvin doesn't have. aloop

lmao

[gloomy apex]

????

[eager onyx]

none of Marvin's combos are actually true

.???

what loop

[gloomy apex]

dair button

its 70% off 4 hits

[eager onyx]

that's not true

at all

[gloomy apex]

yes it is tf?

[eager onyx]

it isn't lmaoo

and that's not a loop

[gloomy apex]

i mean theres no point in us going back and forth

so if u wanna believe martian is bad go for it

but hes really not

[placid minnow]

What game are you playing

[eager onyx]

he's a mid tier with 0 kill options and a mid combo potential due to hard nerfs?

[eager onyx]

^^

I wanna play his game

[placid minnow]

His only true combo is his jab combo and only at certain percents

[eager onyx]

where marvin does 25% per move

[placid minnow]

Exactly lmao

[eager onyx]

^^^^

[placid minnow]

If Dair did 25 percent we’d own the game

Button does what like 2

[gloomy apex]

i mean

its true

and dair button 4x into up b does 72

but keep telling urself it doesnt ig if u cant hit it

[placid minnow]

Where’d this up b stuff come from

Yeah if you hit 4 dairs into an up b that’s a lot, but you can only hit that combo true against certain characters, at certain percents, with perfect placement

And perfect DI

Where as you can play like what 10 other characters for true loops that kill off 0

But yeah Marvin is the busted one

[eager onyx]

down air into each other isn't true

[placid minnow]

No he’s talking about button

With dair

[eager onyx]

that isn't true too

[placid minnow]

Which can be true

[eager onyx]

you can just di out

[placid minnow]

Certain characters at low percents can’t

[eager onyx]

I assume only jadon and ig

[placid minnow]

I use it a lot

It’s a good way to rack up damage and pressure

[gloomy apex]

ive hit it against the entire cast

[placid minnow]

But it does not by any means make Marvin a great character

[gloomy apex]

maybe not 4x against every character

[placid minnow]

Then you’re going against people who can’t DI

[eager onyx]

yesh no

its not true

[gloomy apex]

i guess mirrorman cant di then

[placid minnow]

Apparently not

[eager onyx]

unless ur fighting. a big charecter

I would love to see the clip of u doing that combo on mirror

[placid minnow]

Unless he was playing, like a said, a certain character, at low percents, and don’t DI

And also most people don’t know it even exists

So the chance of someone online, a place where Marvin is rarely seen is going to DI out of it their first time seeing it is very low

It’s got a weird ass hitbox

And knocks back into weird directions

[gloomy apex]

ive never seen a character chat so convinced their character sucks

[eager onyx]

whrres the proof

[gloomy apex]

even the velma chat thinks positively about their character

[eager onyx]

want me to ping mirror

[placid minnow]

I don’t think he sucks lmao

[eager onyx]

he also gets hard countered

[placid minnow]

I’m just telling you he’s not amazing cause of one loop that isn’t even a 0 to death

Nor is it always true

[eager onyx]

by like gizmo black atom and bugs

charecter with anti projectiles go brr

[placid minnow]

A lot of people will tell you he sucks when he really doesn’t because he takes a lot of time to get consistent with

He is however no higher than mid tier, and one decent loop isn’t going to make that go very high

[eager onyx]

there's literally charecters that csn kill at 0

off of a single combo

Bugs can kill at 0

also if the bugs doesn't land the cheese they kill at 20% off of vault

[placid minnow]

Against a Marvin yeah

I keep using a banned word this is annoying

[eager onyx]

and like I said before he got nerfed from beta

like alot of nerfs

[placid minnow]

We Marvin’s are like Gnats, small and annoying little guys but one good smack and we’re cooked

[autumn patrol]

LITERALLY, AND WE HAVE THE KILL POWER OF ONE TOO.

[eager onyx]

if they didn't nerf side b and button he would be in a way better position Eben if he cant kill atleast we could combo till high percents then kill at 150

[placid minnow]

Exactly my point

[eager onyx]

honestly if they buffed side b and button I think the charecter would be fine

cuz those were our 2 main combo tools in beta

[placid minnow]

In a perfect society

[eager onyx]

cuz it would be just like shiek

hard to kill good combos

[placid minnow]

I would love to see a cooldown less button but idk if it would be too much

In 2s it would be nuts

[eager onyx]

now we have 0 combos no kill power

I just want button to combo again

I want old button back

[autumn patrol]

We’ve Got A Sick Moveset Though About Big Brain Plays, Even If It Is Undertuned Atleast.

[eager onyx]

or like a barely beta variation of button that doesn't infinite

[placid minnow]

I’d main Marvin still if he stayed exactly the same but a few small buffs are definitely welcome

[fringe trout]

Still can't get over how they nerfed his crawl speed of all things 😭 😭
Like they wanted this man to be as bad as possible

[neat coral]

[rustic hill]

Is there a reason to use both flag and ship at the same time?

[gloomy apex]

Theres gotta be a way to recreate the infinite flag bug

Its actually just a free win everytime

[neat coral]

rockets get attracted to flag status aswell

good for triple sometimes, place ship up high, wait 1-3 secs and place flag

[brave gale]

Why is space invader not just built into his base kit.

[gloomy gust]

It’s pfg that’s why

[broken pewter]

They wanna see Marvin fail

[queen swallow]

this would actually be cool but idkk

i dont mind

[blissful oxide]

What perks do you run

[broken pewter]

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[blissful oxide]

Last stand or speed force assist?

[broken pewter]

I personally use last stand, it gives you a chance for a comeback and weakness is just really good especially when you’re on a character that struggles to kill such as Marvin

[modest gyro]

I just realised that Batman, Wonder Woman, and Superman don't say anything to Marvin about him being a martian, especially since there's a specific friend they have who is also a Martian

[queen swallow]

I run space invaders

[queen swallow]

^ but I also like collat damage since im pretty agro and do dair button loops a lot

and also because marvin doesnt live after 100 for much

but its def a top 2 second slot perk on marvin just for being a broken perk

[blissful oxide]

Does button spike

[queen swallow]

Its a small spike

but in dair button loops yes button spikes into the stage

[blissful oxide]

What if there was a perk that let button turn players around like mario's cape

Would that be interesting

[queen swallow]

um it could be good because button is good in combos and that would mess up their di

but it would def be weaker than space invaders id imagine

[blissful oxide]

How much damage does button do anyways

[queen swallow]

like nothing really

it just has great hitstun especially if you get stage bounce

[blissful oxide]

Is the range ok or do you need to be inside their hitbox

[queen swallow]

its stubby

[blissful oxide]

What should be used to approach then

[queen swallow]

sair

jab

down tilt

dair

those are usually approach buttons

dash attack maybe but his dash attack is garbage

I would unbind it if I could

[blissful oxide]

Maybe you are better off setting up projectiles and waiting for opponents to rush you

[queen swallow]

I mean yeah

Thats how marvin plays

kinda he puts projectiles up and follows them or forces the enemy on him

[blissful oxide]

Marvin literally does have a blaster that drags players to him

Send projectiles out instead of himself

[queen swallow]

but typically you want to be approaching with a projectile because you are at a slight disadvantage if they are approaching at you

[queen swallow]

yeah it can be a good option into bubble

that move isnt good at all with out it

[blissful oxide]

That's a setup move for hitting them with any strong attack or to get on the other side of them

[queen swallow]

yeah basically mostly a set up just to start a combo

after side B you usually want to go into dair

[blissful oxide]

Down air is such a good move

[queen swallow]

yep

[blissful oxide]

I'm pretty sure marvins body is a hurtbox aswell

[queen swallow]

yes

[gloomy apex]

i actually think bugs marvin is just unfair

safe just lasts 4 years straight

and if u do martian loops with a safe they just lose

[broken pewter]

Down tilt or down air it’ll one shot

Oh you meant 2v2s

My bad

[gloomy apex]

lol

[broken pewter]

But yeah bugs Marvin is crazy good together definitely top 3 of Marvin’s duo partners

[gloomy apex]

whats better?

Other than probably ww because its ww

[broken pewter]

Honestly probably is his best I just don’t play 2s so I’m unsure if somethings better but if I were to guess top 3 would be like bugs, WW, IG not sure on ordering tho

Maybe ig - bugs - ww

[gloomy apex]

I still dont see the hype on ig

I mean like sure infinites in singles (still seems overhyped in singles but i dont play singles so my opinions kinda bad) but like in doubles whats the point

[broken pewter]

Super tanky normally lives to 150+, able to kill really early, easy cheese stocks, and his rage mode is a free stock at the very least he’s very good in 2s

If you wanna watch the last 2s tourney almost every team had ig and it’ll show you why

[gloomy apex]

Actually can u send me where to watch it

[broken pewter]

Yeah give me a sec to find the stream

[gloomy apex]

I was trying to find a 2V2 tourne to watch

Idk for the first 4 days ig seemed absolutely awful and i destroyed every one of them, the 5th day was when the other infinite was discovered and instantly everyone started playing him and i didnt really play much that day so maybe thats why i think hes bad

[broken pewter]

You’ve more than likely just fought bad ig’s he’s a good character just hard to play effectively, but i couldn’t find if they streamed the whole tourney but this is the pov of the winners a Marvin, ig comp https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2161121987

[gloomy apex]

Also maybe just all the ig’s but i think marvin just destroys him

Idk what he does about marvin laddering since u can ladder him from on stage

[broken pewter]

Marvin is really good against him cause of all the projectiles ig doesn’t have anything to fight back with besides bolts and once that’s gone he’s done for if you know your combos

[gloomy apex]

The other character i play is gizmo and gizmo definitely beats ig with only needing to approach with arrow

So in my eyes ig is probably just alot worse than he really is

[broken pewter]

Yeah you play 2 characters that really out range him therefore countering him when you play someone that’s like even with him and it’s someone that knows how to play him it’ll set in how good he is

[gloomy apex]

I only play projectile characters so that wont happen but ye i get ur point

[broken pewter]

#clips message example where aiming your blasters should be remembered

[glad fox]

what kind of character is marvin?

[idle oak]

hey marvin heads how do we fight batman? i feel like his buttons stuff out mine

[lost sand]

Speaking of match up... I had a rather bothersome match last night.

I faced a tom in the haunted house who...

1. Kept playing passive 95% of the time. Spam projectiles and run away when I get too close.
2. Kept activating the switches so that theres always bottomless pits on both sides.
3. Beat me in neutral more times than me when I close the gap before running away again.

I lost that match and ofc, he doesn't rematch (that's besides the point).

What would you do in that situation?

[potent flicker]

after playing marvin constantly i've figured his weakness is assassin classes with players who can dodge correctly

[edgy ocean]

Im actually quiting now

Not just mvs but multiplayer as a whole

Multiplayer is just really not fun anymore. Balabcw this meta that op that

It gets repetitive

Its finally time to lean more on singleplayer games

And I'll start off first with rdr2 then doom

Anyways i'll probably not comeback maybe. Cya when disvussing the game again when i can

[clear sapphire]

Bro send out a resignation letter

cya

[gloomy apex]

Id argue that the entire nature of competitive games having a meta is what makes them non repetitive while single player games never get patched and are by definition repetitive

[autumn patrol]

Doesn’t Mean It Isn’t Consistent And That There Isn’t Any Replay Value Though Right? Binding Of Isaac (Or Any Roguelike) Is A Good Example Of That. Repetition Isn’t Inherently Bad, It’s Just The Way It’s Executed.

[rotund lantern]

Woah why does Marvin have the second most posts? It’s by a huge margin too

I picked him up and I’m already considering having him as a main lol

[idle schooner]

Is marvin broken or something? I never played him in beta. but his bubble doesnt seem to actually reflect anything, you can aim his up attack weather or not you have the add on or not, and you cant hold his down attack. Am I missing something?

[rotund lantern]

You can’t aim his Uair attack in the air, the down attack was definitely an intended change (and it’s a good change imo)

The bubble reflects things on my end, it might be light projectiles only

[idle schooner]

OMG I didnt read all the way, thats on me. lmao

I guess i only really tested the bubble on like bugs safe so it migh be to heavy

[autumn patrol]

Marvin Has A lot More Planning To Get A Singular Kill So Maybe That’s Why? Usually People Last Until 160 Unless You Use Things Like Rocket, Down Attack, Side Attack, Or Up Air Juggling (Which Even Then Is Debatable.)

[idle schooner]

He is incredibly fun so far. Being a taz main its big change too but he feels good

[gloomy apex]

Idk the way they designed stuff in this game makes no sense

[rotund lantern]

He earns his kills for sure, but that’s why I like him. It’s very rewarding and he racks up damage VERY fast and very safely, but not too safely

It feels like forcing opponents into Touhou, I love his playstyle

[idle schooner]

What are good follow ups for his forward special in the air. Or even his forward special in general

[gloomy apex]

Like why is our anti projectile move do nothing against half the projectiles in the game but ww grounded side b destroys everthing thats every existed while having no cd and also giving her armor just in case

[queen swallow]

Hes not popular he is just very technical so there is a lot to share

[queen swallow]

You can set up a sair or another side B with that usually

[rotund lantern]

Try bubble, even if it’s on CD, if the opponent does anything but angle out it’ll hit them

[queen swallow]

or you can just back up

[rotund lantern]

And if they angle out it creates space

[queen swallow]

and take stage control

[rotund lantern]

What eggy said too

[rotund lantern]

Gotcha gotcha

[autumn patrol]

Same, I Love The Way He Plays I Just Wish He Was Worth Using In The Meta Right Now.

[glad fox]

I main TnJ is MArvin a good choice to buy?

[rotund lantern]

Use whoever you want to use, ranked isn’t live yet lol

[autumn patrol]

🇯🇴JOIN THE MARTIAN ARMY🇯🇴

[rotund lantern]

I think Marvin’s a well-balanced character, there’s nothing ridiculous about him~

Buying him is a good idea =3

We’re unlikely to get touched by patch notes

Or if we are, it won’t be by much

[rotund lantern]

I’d say why not, you’re already interested in him. Watch some gameplay~

He’s a character with a lot of options but you can’t just throw things out

[lost sand]

In the name of Mars, someone pinged me here, but idk who nor why.

[signal junco]

Yeah that’s weird

If your only playing someone cuz there good

[tired seal]

I don’t think it’s weird. I’m trying to win in a competitive game. I won a tournament recently and made money. Think what you want though

And I pick characters bc they’re fun. Usually fun means they’re good bc of my fighting game literacy. I wouldn’t have fun with a bad character

If they don’t feel top 10 they simply don’t feel fun. Nothing weird about that whatsoever

[queen swallow]

I agree its not weird

[signal junco]

Competitive is different, but if you’re only playing a character because they’re good and they’re like boring or something that’s just weird in my opinion

[tired seal]

and your opinion is silly

[signal junco]

K.

One day your learn what a opinion is but not today

And that’s ok

[tired seal]

I said "Think what you want though" please don't lose sleep over this lol

[signal junco]

I never lose sleep over someone disagreeing with me

lol

[tired seal]

good! happy for you

[signal junco]

Thank you!

Now learn how to be happy with yourself!

[tired seal]

crazy statement over all this lmfaooooo

please relax 😭

[lost sand]

can't we all just get along? This is the cool kids club!

[signal junco]

Have a good day

[lost sand]

in the name of Mars!

[tired seal]

fr thank you bad joe

[signal junco]

😭

Crawzy

[dense bridge]

i don't think theres a single boring character in this game tbh

[tired seal]

real

[signal junco]

Banna guard

😭

[tired seal]

oh now you're def not allowed to have opinions

(jokes)

[signal junco]

He’s just like

You pick him

And win

😭

[dense bridge]

i feel like most banana guards i play against just spam side air and side special and get parried half of the time

[signal junco]

😶

That’s kinda funny

[dense bridge]

but banana guard hitboxes are horrible

his whole body is a hitbox its rlly annoying

[echo palm]

Lucy stop beefing with everyone over their opinions damn

Not everyone has to revolve around you smh

🤫 🧏

[tired seal]

a simple disagreement is not beef, and again, I do not care too much if people disagree. The point of this discord is to exchange thoughts. Please stop tagging me with bad faith

[rotund lantern]

Marvin is fun and I love his voice and his teabag potential is great and I like being a Touhou boss with an add that’s very very scary =3

[eager onyx]

you can get results with bad charecters as long as u have good fundis and understand yhr charecter

[rotund lantern]

That is all~

[tired seal]

that's true, but you're going to have a much harder time

[eager onyx]

just play who you like

[rotund lantern]

You’ll get better at the game if you play who you enjoy most btw~

[tired seal]

yeah 100% I'm not saying not to. I never in my statement said people shouldn't do that

I just said Idk how people manage to downplay him

[eager onyx]

practice makes perfect just practice them sooner or later it'll become easier to get results

[rotund lantern]

A Velma that’s just a little better than a Joker will probably beat Joker

[signal junco]

Right

😭

[tired seal]

there is no beef

yall corny

[broken pewter]

What happened to the silly little Marvin chat

[tired seal]

that's what I'm sayin

while i'm here might as well say again marvin top 5

talk amongst yourselves about that so I don't get accused of beefing just for expressing thoughts ❤️

[broken pewter]

Give him more consistent kill power then I’d agree with you

[dense bridge]

omg lucy i can't believe you just expressed your opinion, you have made me veeeery angry 😡

[broken pewter]

But he’s definitely good people sleep on my boy

[tired seal]

fr I said somebody else's opinion is silly. which is just the same as saying "I disagree with you". and it caused pointless drama that I'm really just not interested in lmfao

[tired seal]

where do you think he is?

[neat coral]

yea this the main issue

[broken pewter]

I believe he’s B- he has everything he needs besides kill power and once he has that he’s A to me

[dense bridge]

yeah his kill power is very inconsistent

sometimes he kills very early

but then other times

[broken pewter]

It doesn’t even have to be like early to kill id be fine with killing at 120* every stock with a guaranteed combo typa thing but he just doesn’t have that sometimes I’m killing at 100 with a combo and other times I kill at 170

[tired seal]

https://discordapp.com/channels/879970800734711808/1009538859417215147/1248799900586606602

this is a funny clip idk if this happened to any of you

I think marvin has consistent kill routes you just have to combo into a high knockback option like his gun

[signal junco]

Marvin is so bad😭

[tired seal]

and get them near the blast zone. which he can frame trap you into easily

[signal junco]

Low b tier at best

[broken pewter]

I always get that bug when fighting joker and I accidentally bubble his balloon then I just can’t see for 5 seconds

[broken pewter]

Jab3 is a kill option and it works it’s just inconsistent cause his jab isn’t true on all characters

[tired seal]

I'm 1v1ing a marvin in friendlies right now and this character is absolutely sick nasty. We're having a nice back and forth

[tired seal]

that little gun is stronger than it's being given credit for...

[broken pewter]

His gun is really good don’t get me wrong I’m just saying the combo into it isn’t true on all characters so it’s inconsistent to hit

Like for example Steven your jab isn’t true so it makes it hard

[queen swallow]

Yeah inconsistency is Marvins biggest issue

he is probably the least consistent character in the game

[tired seal]

he can consistently edge guard with that gun

yall gotta get that labbing UP

[queen swallow]

thats true

I cant my controller is broken

but he has a

lot

[tired seal]

being able to kill people off the stage consistently is like. really stronger than you guys understand

stage control is the entire game

[queen swallow]

he cannot kill consistently off stage

[tired seal]

yes he absolutely can

😭

[queen swallow]

bro no he cannot

killing is what he is the worst at ask anyone who knows anything about marvin

He needs flag for the crazy ledge guard things

and flags cooldown is insanely long

[broken pewter]

He’s good at killing off stage but it’s not consistent most consistent thing he can do off stage is things like juggling with his up air but that’s really it

Everything else he has isn’t consistent

[tired seal]

I have multiple friends that play marvin. "He's viable" "I don't understand how people downplay this character"

[signal junco]

The most consistent killing he has in the Dair in edge

[tired seal]

this is generally what I hear from the people I play with that consistently practice and study this game 🙂

[signal junco]

Even character is viable

[queen swallow]

He is viable hes just not great in 1s

He lacks consistency

[tired seal]

incorrect

[signal junco]

Every*

[queen swallow]

Its true

[tired seal]

I guess we can all just agree to disagree

keep downplaying your literal main if that makes you happy

[queen swallow]

I think you are the only one disagreeing

😶

[tired seal]

maybe here? sure

outside of this discord there are great players you haven't met or seen

[queen swallow]

FPZ TheeBanMan

?

Ive talked to both of them

[broken pewter]

I agree he’s viable, I think he’s really good and people should be playing him but I don’t agree that he’s consistent

[queen swallow]

^

Hes not consistent and thats why he cant make 1s tourney runs

Marvin to be great relies on set ups, knowledge checks, di reliant combos, di reliant kill confirms

[signal junco]

Lucy just wanna argue with everyone

💀💀💀

[queen swallow]

its very hard to be consistent when characters are doing true loops that are high damage

[tired seal]

disagreeing is not arguing

grow up

[queen swallow]

we arent arguing

at least Im not

[tired seal]

same

[broken pewter]

We’re just discussing Marvin no one’s in the wrong just fun discussion

[queen swallow]

I love this character

[broken pewter]

Same

[queen swallow]

and I love talking about him

so

[broken pewter]

My glorious king Marvin

[tired seal]

I just like talking about multiversus in general

[queen swallow]

me too

mostly marvin

[tired seal]

and I like eggy and loki bc they're clearly mature enough to handle a disagreement ❤️

shoutouts to my kings

[queen swallow]

I would enter tourneys with marvin to hopefully prove myself wrong but my pc is not great and rn my controller is broken

gotta wait for my new one

😭

[signal junco]

A disagreement is different

Your just rude about it

Thats okay ig tho

[tired seal]

you got pressed bc I called you sill

silly

[queen swallow]

Just try not to take it to heart it got a little heated

just keep it unpersonal

[tired seal]

100%

[broken pewter]

If I knew when tourneys were happening I would enter with Marvin I just don’t know where they are 😔

[queen swallow]

Follow big creators

hopefully coinbox becomes common

mirrorman tournies

the server might have a channel

it doesnt well

it should

[broken pewter]

Hmmm okay I’ll be sure to get Marvin top 8 one of these tourneys

[signal junco]

I’m. Not pressed

[queen swallow]

meet you in grands lol

[tired seal]

just move on

[signal junco]

Your just rude

🌚

[queen swallow]

marvin mirror in grands would be so hype

at least for me

[broken pewter]

Marvin v Marvin grand finals would be a dream

[signal junco]

I don’t think Marvin needs buffs

More like balancing

Imo

[tired seal]

you called me weird and I called you silly. this gotta be the most tame ish ever to be dragging out for this long

fr please stop

[signal junco]

I never called you weird

😶

[tired seal]

receipts are right there g

[signal junco]

Then pull them up

lol

[tired seal]

.

[signal junco]

Yeah something being weird Is different from me calling you weird

If I wanted to call you weird I
You’re weird

It’s simple rily

Next

[tired seal]

same thing to me. semantics. not interested in this convo anymore. I will choose to ignore you moving forward

[signal junco]

Wow someone put on there big boy pants!

Good for you!

Have a good day tho

Like truly

[tired seal]

and I'm the rude one apparently

keep it marvin

[signal junco]

You were rude

So I was rude

lol

https://tenor.com/view/cool-fun-white-cat-dance-cool-and-fun-times-gif-11118423831717788753

🫶🏽

Now back to Marvin

Yall think Marvin can use grounded aerials in combos?

Like jab, grounded Dair , jump , button , jump , Dair , ship?

[queen swallow]

wdym grounded dair?

jab into dair is def not true

[signal junco]

Like grounded dair

You do dair on the floor

[queen swallow]

like fastfall dair and keeping your dair before landing?

[signal junco]

No

Dair in the floor

I’ll send you a clip in a sec

Like 15 mins

[neat coral]

marvin cannot kill consistently off stage

[queen swallow]

this sounds like anti gravity canceling lol

[queen swallow]

oh no

[neat coral]

if you're fighting someone who doesn't know what they're doing maybe

[queen swallow]

I agree but we had this discussion already

[neat coral]

true, pitched in my opinion tho

[queen swallow]

lets just let it die for now lol

[tired seal]

he has frame traps

[queen swallow]

true but his frame traps arent much better than anyone elses

[tired seal]

little gun does KNOCKBACK

idk what you're not seeing

[queen swallow]

up air up tilt and jab 3?

[signal junco]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/4LTvPDMKKR

Clip

[queen swallow]

Im confused

Down tilt?

i didjt see any grounded aerial

[signal junco]

😶

It’s at the end

You dodge and you can do a grounded aerial

[broken pewter]

Oh you’re referring to the instant aerials

Umm honestly I’m not sure if you’re able to combo with it I haven’t implemented them into my gameplay yet besides instant aerial side special

[signal junco]

Yeah

I didn’t know the name

[queen swallow]

dair is pretty slow

oh boost jump aerials

[signal junco]

Everyone got a different name for it😭

[broken pewter]

I think theirs an official name but I can never remember it

[queen swallow]

dodge then jump is generally boost jump or dodge jump

[broken pewter]

Also eggy when do you think you’ll be able to enter tourneys?

[queen swallow]

When my controller is back

I just suggested they make a tourney channel

but ill be on the look out

[broken pewter]

I just entered the frostiverse so we’ll see how that goes

[queen swallow]

Id say check twotter

whens that?

[broken pewter]

June 11

[modest gyro]

Marvin is so much fun.

[broken pewter]

Marvin the goat

[modest gyro]

Marvin the Martian Manhunter

[tired seal]

where the link to enter at

[broken pewter]

I found it on the pro cord

[tired seal]

can u dm me a link to that too

[tight laurel]

yooyoyoy

[broken pewter]

Yeah

[tight laurel]

fighting marvin in bracket now

what i do

never seen the kid

[queen swallow]

DI out if he jabs you at kill percent

[broken pewter]

Let him win

He deserves it

[tight laurel]

i won 2-0 somehow

i dont know what he did to me or how i won

but i did i guess

im 4-1 now lul

[broken pewter]

Good job keep going man

[eternal arch]

Is lebron bad in 1v1 or am I? Because every shaggy, harley and banana guard I fight just stomps me.

[tight laurel]

lebron is awful bro

a good lebron can still win ofc, but on an even playing field with even skill, you aint winning

you have to be better by a good amount

[broken pewter]

Harley is a hard matchup, try not to be in the air to much and play patient, shaggy pretty even just try and throw out your projectiles to stuff out his options and guarantee your combos, and banana guard is a free win just play slow and think about what he’s going for before pressing your buttons

Lebron is a good matchup for you just try and steal his ball forcing him to spawn one and when he throws that one make sure not to give him one back by using your projectiles it takes a couple match’s to learn but it’s a good matchup for you

[eternal arch]

I've mained lebron since beta-- but I feel like he's a little worse now without that initial hit on his side special. That second hit made the move viable in 1s. It's only use is in 2s now lol. I just lost a lot of muscle memory with how to play him during the time the game is out. I am saddened that they Made the ball only hit once again lol. But overall he's still Hella fun to play.

The airwalker perk is also pretty fun. But not being able to parry in the air is a huge trade off for it and I dunno if it makes it worth it. Any advice on which perks I should be running?

I play a bunch of Marvin now, too, but it isn't translating well.

[broken pewter]

Yeah Marvin is very unique so it’s jarring to go to him, for perks #1245144101372956723 message #1245144101372956723 message

[dense bridge]

tbh those 3 characters stomp almost anyone

[eternal arch]

Okay, so my two characters that I play are just rough lol. I figured you Marvin players would have wisdom on how to deal with them as well. Thanks guys!

[tired seal]

Marvin can most likely and easily turn this into a kill. It's at 80% that he gets them up into a kill situation, the player has to burn a resource in the air and he can keep them juggled or go chase and have them knocked out. https://discordapp.com/channels/879970800734711808/1009538859417215147/1249142135563747408

his bread and butters are clean, his ability to keep people out is great, his knockback is outstanding. I think as time passes, he will be considered better than this chat gives him credit for. I really believe in this character

I don't even play him, I just play with a lot of Marvin players in 2s and friendlies. They constantly talk about how they don't understand how he's so underrated and they don't struggle to find kills

[broken pewter]

That situation is where he’s his most consistent to me because of him being able to juggle there and have multiple options, that’s where I find most of my kills because I’m able to just aim and get a kill but when it starts relying on other things is when it starts getting inconsistent

[tired seal]

I see. But I find getting them into the air isn't really going to be an issue from what I've witnessed

and people are jumpy af in this game as it is

[gloomy apex]

does the tripple rocket have a shorter cd?

[broken pewter]

For me it’s not that it’s difficult to get them into the air but more so the threat of me pushing my advantage in that way, for my games it’s usually the likes of joker, WW in ones and if I’m pushing that advantage trying to snipe or if they drop to ledge and hold it it’s risky

[broken pewter]

I believe it’s same cooldown I could be wrong though

[tired seal]

oh yeah you def have to play slow vs those characters but in a way I think that works well for him as he has so many zoning tools and solid normals

[broken pewter]

But yeah I do agree Marvin off stage is scary in certain setups it’s just getting that setup in a time efficient manner is difficult when it comes to some of these matchups adding to his inconsistency issue

[gloomy apex]

maybe it just feels shorter cuz im using it on cd

[queen swallow]

Wdym his bnbs are clean they are quite sloppy and depend on great di reading, and his up air and up tilt are good but they are slim and I wouldnt consider it even close to a top 5 up air. The set up you have is very fake but you know that obviously that good players arent dodging there thats my take

[queen swallow]

As you mentioned its 80% and maybe leads into a maybe kill position when most characters can just up air you at 80 and you vanish into nothing

[tired seal]

Dang

lmaoooo

[queen swallow]

?

[tired seal]

I just don’t have the energy anymore you believe what you want

[queen swallow]

okay

you gave an argument I gave mine

[signal junco]

Tbh if Marvin had more kill power he’d be op

I thing they can add kill power but take away something else

[broken pewter]

I don’t even want extra power I just want him to be consistent where his power is

[signal junco]

Tbh I sorta wish they made it a perk to get the old Marvin laser back

Where you could hold it but you take dmg

Like there are some combos that do insane dmg but you have to literally use like all your resources

I just wish I could kill with it

[broken pewter]

I’d use it instantly

[signal junco]

Yeah

I feel like it would make his edge guarding a lot stronger

[broken pewter]

It would make him feel a lot better for how I play I just want more signature perks in general

And perks for that matter

[pallid oasis]

no marvin buffs

no morty buffs

but we got stripe buffs

well stripe is ass too but

[tired seal]

Stripe isn’t ass

[broken pewter]

^

[signal junco]

Nah

[pallid oasis]

not ass but

hes not super strong

hes ok

[tired seal]

another character being downplayed in the marvin chat

[pallid oasis]

dawg

u cant be saying stripe is

super strong

hes a decent character

[queen swallow]

Hes not great

[gloomy apex]

#clips someone explain

[queen swallow]

LMAOO

[gloomy apex]

this character needs to work correctly and he would feel alot better lmao

[tight laurel]

His bnbs are significantly better now than in beta and his up tilt is EASILY top 5 with amazing range and kill power (110%) if they’re already high in the air

Marvin lost a significant amount of power since beta due to losing just synergy within his kit. Sure having ammo on button is nice but it was way better as combo filler and made a move worth using. Now you can’t really follow up with a lot of moves making him feel awkward and hard to rack up consistent damage. You’d max get a 4 hit combo and they’re knocked away and you have to do neutral again.

He also just had the best spike in the game with range and duration which got nerfed. Honestly if we were saying Marvin was top top in beta i’d agree. But rn he has glaring weaknesses against WW and Harley. Harley can just slide through all your projectiles and make it hard to follow up with her glove

WW has well.. 🛡️

Marvin is a fantastic character with potential but as it right now i can’t give him the S. He is definitely slept on though. Part of me is happy he’s not though because he’s honest and has a decent rep because he’s not just a cheesy kill machine

His kit was somewhat dumbed down, with bigger projectile size, quicker but weaker bubble, and the new button encourages you to try and disorient your opponent more. The first couple of rounds can grant you good wins where you catch them off guard but this can become predictable quickly and you lose all your fun quirky kills and mixups once ur cards are all laid out

[queen swallow]

He had an infinite in the beta and and button was just free in combos, ill give you maybe his up tilt but not his up air

His bnbs are 1000000% worse

110% he still doesnt have consistent kill power

I guess you said if they are already high

but give me a single character who cant do that

Yeah and he loses a lot of his power in the opponent just knowing the match up

as you said

[tight laurel]

Up tilt grants you the bonus of being grounded/ far away from the enemy making it safe. No other character in the game can do that with their up air.

[tight laurel]

the last part of his basic jab combo had a high chance of just missing completely in beta , to the point where you’d have to 50/50 if you should just up tilt in the end

[brave gale]

it still misses sometimes

[queen swallow]

^

di out

[tight laurel]

i didn’t say it was perfect i said it was better

[brave gale]

Honestly I dont see why his side special on the ground has a cooldown

[queen swallow]

^as well

[queen swallow]

Id agree

but it also has the con of being worse as close anti air because it being skinny due to this

Id say his up tilt is top 5 not his up air

[brave gale]

You can tell they don't want marvin to be good by the fact space invader is a perk instead of just being built into the base kit

[queen swallow]

I mean idk if that first statement is true

lol

[tight laurel]

i guess, his side air side special work great though with good prio

[queen swallow]

i could try that

that move trades a lot though

[tired seal]

finally you're here ❤️

WildCard made me see more of the light of Marvin today

[queen swallow]

Do they play Marvin

[tired seal]

yes

very well in fact

[queen swallow]

Id like to play you when I get my controller back and Im comfortable again

[scenic carbon]

Clips???

[tired seal]

I shoud've got some. the edgeguarding was nastyh

[tired seal]

me or wildcard?

[queen swallow]

You

[tired seal]

oh neat, yeah feel free to dm and ask for my user when you're down to play! I'd love that

[queen swallow]

Marvin mirror is pretty gross I used to swap to Morty in the mirror when you could change characters

I could see how he plays

Is WildCard ur 2s partner

[tired seal]

no

she doesn't like 2s

[queen swallow]

okokok

[tired seal]

my doubles partner isn't in this cord 😭

[queen swallow]

i see

I dont like 2s either in the current state

but def where marvins best

[eternal arch]

Been practicing dair-> button loops. That racks up damage Hella fast.

[scenic carbon]

What part of that can be DI'd?

Button is kinda hard to DI so I would assume dair?

[queen swallow]

yes sir

[eternal arch]

I believe so-- it's also easy to drop it if you don't hit button right. Gotta get em in that tumble state to drop back into dair.

[queen swallow]

both can be

[eternal arch]

I imagine getting the extra 1 point on collision damage would go hard with those loops

[queen swallow]

thats the perk I use

but I might switch to last stand

[eternal arch]

I struggle with some of the new perks. I miss Make It Rain, Dog and the extra 5% on attacks that send upwards

[queen swallow]

I mean old perks were nice

[brave gale]

honestly air walker to do jab kills on higher elevation

[queen swallow]

Marvin kinda needed coffeezilla

[queen swallow]

not a fan lol

I use a lot of boost jumps and iads

those eat up enough dodge already

[eternal arch]

I like air walker on Lebron a lot, but not on Marvin

[brave gale]

I just want better kill options, every other character has a kill confirm or random move to throw out to kill

[queen swallow]

thats fair its a really good pekr

perk

[eternal arch]

Up specials Initial hit has been doing me good for securing kills lately. That and aerial side special

[queen swallow]

side special still kills pretty late

Up special is nice if you hit a close nair and have a jump

[eternal arch]

Yeah-- I'm still figuring out how to play the character, so I wouldn't trust anything I have to say lol

[queen swallow]

all good all martians welcome

[brave gale]

Is steven just an awful match up for marvin

[queen swallow]

Not awful just bad

[scenic carbon]

Do we have bad matchups against most of the top tiers?
I haven't seen anyone talk about Joker, Harley, Gizmo, or Tom & Jerry

[signal junco]

It should be a good matchup no?

[brave gale]

tom and jerry I just down attack jerry when hes by himself it just ones shots

[queen swallow]

Tom & Jerry is maybe his worst my

mu*

Joker is good and card is good

bringing marvin to him

Harley easily maneuvers around marvin screen control and he is light so she can kill him off the top pretty free

you can break balloons with down tilt

Gizmo might be worse than T&J

umbrella deletes like every thing we have

he is tiny and fast

so even what he doesnt delete by umbrella he runs around

he can also just set up his own bs and he like harley deletes him off the top with up air

Thinking off it gizmo def worse than t&j

but jerry shot just merks all of mervins projectiles

[fringe trout]

Gizmo is definitely the worst
Only counter to umbrella is a grounded attack which can no longer be held

[pliant marsh]

Bro can they please buff side b, why does it not go anywhere like make it travel more screen please

Also I feel like we need shorter cool down for bubble

[neat coral]

Marvin

[viral wadi]

what are the best perks for marvin?

[mighty lagoon]

you can win with every character but that doesn't change that some characters are just better than others . (sorry for the wrong reply cant find the msg where you say marvin isnt viable)

[tired seal]

I never said Marvin isn’t viable

In fact I believe in him very much lol

[pine root]

Just played a Marvin wit 3k wins. This man needs removed from the game immediately

[lost sand]

I wish I coulda seen him

[edgy ocean]

U guys noticed the game isnt only more zoomed in. The characters are actually bigger than beta. The reason beta felt wide and more space bc the characters were small and can move more freely

[queen swallow]

Naur

[queen swallow]

well it is more zoomed it the camera used to show the whole stage all the time

but characters are larger correct

[gloomy apex]

it feels better in 2s and worse in 1ss

[gloomy apex]

does safe not count as a projectile?

i thought if u dodged a projectile in this game it could never hit u again

[lost sand]

I dodge the safe alright... with my laser!

But yeah, idk dude.

Maybe it's more like a destructible like marvin's ship?

[neat coral]

fr😈

[whole cradle]

Real (pro) list of problems with Multiversus.
(Nerfs)

1. Black Adam
2. Harley
3. Gizmo
4. Joker
5. Wonder Woman
6. Finn (slight nerf)
7. Marvin.
8. Reindog

Buffs

1. Velma
2. Jake
3. Taz
4. Morty
5. Rick
6. Stripe

Gameplay Issues

1. Gameplay speed significantly too low
   1.5. Hitboxes are completely broken.
2. Server issues.
3. Battle pass XP
4. Cosmetics from beta aren’t given to returning players.
5. No end of game stats.
6. Dodges have no recovery frames.(rework)

(Made by SSCREEK) a top 20 Jake in beta.

[broken pewter]

Nerfing Marvin is crazy

[queen swallow]

yeah

Idk why they would

[fringe trout]

Nerf Marvin ⁉️ 😭

[queen swallow]

he has seen no tourney play outside of banman in the rise of mvs 2s

Nerfing Marvin and buffing Rick is especially crazy

when they are super simular

Also removing dodge cancels would make this game not fun at all

if you want to change dodges rework the dodge meter

and beta was def too fast

beta was like two mosquitoes fighting and dodging around praying with every attack that it lands and they can do a loop

[lost sand]

What does he mean by real (pro) list?

Is it based on himself?

I'm probably just reading too much into it for no reason.

Not gonna talk about the buffs and nerfs, but rather the gameplay issues that I agree or not.

1. I thought it was gonna be a big issue when I first saw it, but when I looked back at beta, it was ridiculously fast. I think for what they're trying to do with the game, the current speed is okay. They could probably fine tune it a bit, who knows.

1.5. Yeah, some of them are weird hitboxes. Something to look into for sure.

2. That's a given, agreed.

3. Yeah, it doesn't feel super rewarding the current xp gain, but they're probably trying something out by spamming events left and right. Getting more ways to progress battlepass xp would be neat.

4. I don't particularely care on that one, though maybe I just don't know what the beta skins look like to begin with.

5. Agreed 100%

6. I don't think I'm experienced enough to give an opinion on dodge recovery frames, so I'll leave it as is.

[queen swallow]

dodge cancels need to be in the game

dodges have end lag if not canceled

and if canceled it costs 3 dodge bar

and not having boost jump or iad would ruin some characters

[gloomy apex]

Ye i agree lets nerf the second least played character in the entire game good opinion

[queen swallow]

he said neef reindog as well

nerf*

[gloomy apex]

Ya thats who i meant by the second least played

[queen swallow]

who is played less

wait hold on

i want to guess

[gloomy apex]

Not the hardest to guess

[queen swallow]

oh

velma

?

[gloomy apex]

Has about 1/3 the amount of games as reindog

Ye

[queen swallow]

yeah makes sense

Nerfing Marvin and Rein

and not Steven

is odd

[gloomy apex]

I actually think in reality the only changes id make to make this game suprisingly balanced for 2s
Nerfs-ww,safe, maybe steven slightly
Buffs-velma(i think people underestimate the heck out of this character in 2s but she could definitely use a few things) , taz(give him some skill based thing and not just beta taz of he stomps noobs because hitboxes)

[queen swallow]

taz does have a crazy combo game

[gloomy apex]

I think the game is alot more balanced than something like smash imo, every character feels like they have a reason to play them and nothing feels like an outlier excluding ww

[queen swallow]

so he isnt just a scrub character

Id disagree smash is surprisingly balanced for the roster size

[gloomy apex]

Does he? Havnt seen a single decent taz and its probably the only character that ive never seen someone play well

[queen swallow]

This game shouldnt have characters not seeing tourney play with less than half of smash ultimates roster

[gloomy apex]

Oh also jason could get buffs to alot of stuff just fix all his bugs

[queen swallow]

agreed

[gloomy apex]

Ya i agree in comparison to the roster size

But at the same time some character in smash feel like ur fighting the most insane uphill battle of ur life

[queen swallow]

and also

Smash has no care in balancing for comp play

MVS does

so its a rough comparison

[gloomy apex]

Like smash has some extremes in the balancing and i dont think mv has that

I mean ww is definitely broken but considering this game is still getting patched and smash isnt

[queen swallow]

at least id rather watch ww than steve

[gloomy apex]

I think every character in this game feels playable and if ur into the character u can do completely fine with the character

[queen swallow]

def

no macs or ganons or dr marios

[gloomy apex]

Dude i forgot mac was in smash

That character is so so unplayable

[queen swallow]

but like I said mvs is trying to have a competitive scene and their roster is much smaller

[gloomy apex]

And smash matchups feel like half the gameplay whereas matchups dont mean nearly as much in mvs

[queen swallow]

nintendo could care less if mac getting gimped by the weakest move in the game and die everytime