Jake The Dog

[thorn zenith]

It’s what smash did

Banjo and Kazooie

King K Rool

[ashen echo]

in nintendo's defense

smash is only playable on their console

so it's already a underated genre, and then they lock it behind console?

it's going to die

fast

[thorn zenith]

And yet

There’s still a dedicated community

I don’t like this guy

[ashen echo]

i mean it's f*cking nintendo

they do what they want

[thorn zenith]

And were wb games ig

[ashen echo]

nintendo says that even if they failed, they would still have enough money to pump out 3 years of content

of games

overall

[thorn zenith]

We do what we want

[ashen echo]

i mean devs

corporation stuff

they are rich

[thorn zenith]

Point is just because the game has a low player count doesn’t mean it has no community

[ashen echo]

hold on lemme search their playercount

[thorn zenith]

Have you seen the multiple discord servers

Like Melee is barely talked about yet there’s still tourneys on it

[ashen echo]

i dont even know what melee is

[thorn zenith]

Dude..

I’m going to bed it’s late lol

[ashen echo]

lol

anyways

this game is done

[glad dagger]

so crazy how the problem characters don't get addressed enough

superman gets literally nothing

black adam gets a single change that barely makes a difference

[ashen echo]

oh you did not come to this channel to complain about two characters that curbstomps jake 😭

superman gets nothing and deserves to still get nothing, he's at a good spot

black adam is meh

he's pain but can be dealt with

[glad dagger]

its not just because they're awful for jake

lmao ok yeah superman being able to frost breath the whole game while not approaching is a good spot

while being a super fast tank that doesn't die and jabs you whenever he can

[brave arrow]

i dont even think super man is op i just think he is not fun to fight at all

[ashen echo]

i think superman is op for the alone fact that one of them 3 stocked musty twice in the same set

[brave arrow]

i mean superman is similar to jake in the fact that they specialize in cheesing stocks

[ashen echo]

i think you need to watch it happen

jake simply does not get to play

[brave arrow]

well yeah jake is worse than super man lmao

he can just armor through all ur stuff

[glad dagger]

oh

when i said superman gets nothing i meant nerfs lol

[ashen echo]

which is already a balancing issue, all characters gotta be equal

[brave arrow]

thats impossible

[ashen echo]

but then jake is there. crying in the corner

[ashen echo]

but beta

beta everything was equally stupidly broken

lol

[brave arrow]

not true lol

[ashen echo]

elaborate

[brave arrow]

like everyone had broken stuff but there were still top tiers that dominated certain matchups

[ashen echo]

very few, it was a time were indenpendant of the character you matchup up against, if you tried really hard to win you could

now its in a situation where it doesnt matter

you lose regardless

[brave arrow]

and i mean no matter what you do in a fighting game there are going to be bad matchups. but like you said some characters matchup imbalance is too drastic

[ashen echo]

yea

if it was a situation

were

some character just had to try a bit harder

than the other to win

it would be enough

[glad dagger]

jake is like the one strong beta character they balanced

[ashen echo]

but it's a situation where it doesnt matter, get f*cked lmao

you'll lose cuz your character is simply worse

[neon steeple]

Jake isn’t balanced, he’s easy pickings

[ashen echo]

its free pc bonus round lol

[neon steeple]

?

[glad dagger]

i'm saying he's like what everyone else should be like
he doesn't have a jab he can fish for the entire game or near uncontestable bs

but in terms of how good he is yeah he's not balanced

[neon steeple]

I feel like it’s the opposite, jake should be like the other characters (most). If everyone was like jake, they’d have hurtboxes on every attack, no combos, slow..

[neon steeple]

His jab is just ass

[glad dagger]

don't have to make them slow just get rid of the bs

like no one should be able to dodge jab dodge jab over and over

and give moves whiff lag

[ashen echo]

meant RP

[neon steeple]

Does anyone else use sair soo much? It’s like I have no other choice but to use it like 50 times a game

[ashen echo]

Yes

Every Jake does that

We have no choice

[mossy linden]

I was running custom 2s with 3 other jakes today and it was literally a sair spam fest lol

[thorn zenith]

I recommend playing arial then

I stay in the air A LOT

Any air moves I will use 90% of the time

Neutral primarily

Because Jake for me shines in the air

Less on the ground

Adding to this, Jake’s options on the ground are very limited, but not nothing. If you catch someone with the up special you’ll have 2 free jumps in the air making it perfect for ladders

You just need to either find a way to get into the air, or stay off the ground as much as possible

Just be sure to tap the ground and keep track of your dodges and special uses

Every now and then

[glad dagger]

i'm #7 on the jake leaderboard lol ik how to play him
at least i think i do
its just really hard to beat characters like shaggy arya superman etc

[prisma flower]

Good it’ll continue to plague you if you don’t

Yeah that’s what happens when you play a low tier. And then even the people that play top tiers tend to complain also cause the community is negative generally.

I’ll come back if they ever make lebron as good as he was in beta. Or just good enough to be fun in a sense

Yeah it all depends on how long people are willing to deal with the horrific balancing and this toxic community.

Eh I find other platform fighting games communities to be not as toxic imo.

but those games have better balancing so people tend to complain less cause there isn’t as prevalent BS

Yeah it’s weird like I try not to be toxic but with certain MU I just have to taunt them when winning

[formal olive]

Hello Jake enthusiasts

[glacial violet]

i really want to know whose bright idea it was to make jakes moves grabbable

[grim terrace]

pretty sure they reduced jakes knockback when he spits from bite

i can just feel it

i have too many jake wins

[neon steeple]

I love going up against Iron Giant. Honestly, it's like fighting a training dummy, but with a bit more brain. Every time that oversized scrap pile comes towards me, I can't help but smile because I know exactly how it's going to play out. The Giant's moves are so predictable, it's almost laughable—like it's stuck in slow motion while I'm two steps ahead, dancing circles around it. I could take it down blindfolded no joke. People think I'm exaggerating, but they don’t understand that when you're Jake, the Iron Giant is just easy pickings. I make dismantling it look easy because, for me, it really is.

[grim terrace]

abandoning jake the dog and playing steven

its been real

[brittle sphinx]

valid hopefully theyre being fr about the buffs incoming though

[worthy lion]

finally got the randy skin

looking fly

[ashen echo]

i felt that too

these mf's are shadow nerfing jake every patch

[topaz harness]

How do you deal with Shaggy kick as Jake? Very new to the character and this matchup feels brutal, I just dodge and sair whenever he side-specials. Does he have better options to deal with it?

[ashen echo]

jump over it and sair down

when he kicks you that's your chance to kick his ass

[glad dagger]

learn the parry timing too so you can kill him off it

[topaz harness]

That's kinda what I've been doing. The hit is nice but I can't really follow it up with too much? Maybe I'm not floorbouncing enough, idk

[topaz harness]

I actually parried the Rage version today haha. Didn't know what to do so I just jabbed 😭

[ashen echo]

follow up with bite

[glad dagger]

depends on their damage

[neon steeple]

After hitting a downwards sair I normally follow up with up airs since they bounce off the floor, above me

[ashen echo]

works for me at any percent

if they are at a point where the sair down shoots them up, then i just use upair twice

and they'll die

[glad dagger]

i was talking about the parry follow-up, since you can do basically anything off a parry

[ashen echo]

ah, your message just below mine talking about the bite follow up made it seem like u were talking about the sair down

[thick timber]

Used to do skateboard, but they made it so that you cant combo off it no more

They really hate this character so much😭

Dw gang they added the mid season patch with 3 more nerfs for us

And a couple more secret ones

[timber sentinel]

If this is there idea of balancing the characters then thay need help how can u mess up this character so bad is beyond me what a joke seriously, just returne the character back to his roots from beta

[glad dagger]

ik dair isn't his greatest move but honestly i like the shadow change

feels like a buff to me

can literally just fly if you want

also if you get it to where they auto tech the first hit you can keep hitting it if you read their direction

[topaz edge]

It's @static knoll 😭

[brittle sphinx]

Oh well ima keep him blocked also for some reason, despite all the spamming Jake's I fight I kinda feel like he takes some sort of skill if that makes sense?

Sorry not jumping into this channel to trash talk but i feel bad for Jake the dog. He's just a doggy man

[brittle sphinx]

Hey uh buddy, are you okay? I just saw your about me for a second and I'm kinda worried now

[topaz edge]

Ah it's dialogue from cruelty squad, a pretty weird game don't worry hahaha

[brittle sphinx]

Weird game? That sounds interesting, any YouTube essays on the game you're talking about?

[topaz edge]

Pyrocynical has a long video of the game that tells you the story, the gameplay and everything you need to know, it's pretty good and ngl that even tho I played all the game I enjoyed that video, I really recommend that!

[brittle sphinx]

Sorry buddy, I don't like Pyrocynical but what's the game called?

[topaz edge]

Cruelty squad, but beware, some people say the game looks ugly or it's pretty hard but tbh once you understand It it's pretty amazing, one of my favorites

[weary verge]

#clips message
Jake mains, do you guys think you could do anything with this?

I think it could genuinely be awesome tech if someone figured out how to handle it correctly, like for things like recovery or high aerial approaches

[static knoll]

keep me blocked?

[static knoll]

yeah why did you come in here to @ me and make fun of me?

[static knoll]

yeah whats your problem dude?

dont gotta be so rude to me, both of you

I haven't done anything to either of you.

[topaz edge]

I wasn't rude about you, I just answer the question of who was the player of the video was

I literally just said that it's u? What

[static knoll]

oh really? cuz you also @'d me with a crying lauging emoji

[static knoll]

you didn't only say it is me, you added to it laughing

[brittle sphinx]

nah lowkey idk doesnt sound like winter is being rude but cenalater definitely is

seen the vid tho u was tuff w it supes just had that loop

[static knoll]

thank you

i was also high and that was 2am or so when he recorded that

so it was not my best outting

[topaz edge]

That's not a laugh I'm sorry, it was more like "Why are you doing that if the person is here" obvs an emoji alone doesn't explain anything so, that's my b

It was pretty bad to @ tho idk why I did that tbh

[static knoll]

yeah I also was gonna add like you coulda just said my name so I didnt have to see harassment on a game I dont even play anymore cuz of college

[brittle sphinx]

yw

[static knoll]

@upper slate can u ban @brittle sphinx for the message above

[topaz edge]

I didn't know there was some beef too, I just tought it was someone asking in a normal way

Still, I was wrong in doing a @ as I said so, sorry for that

[static knoll]

its okay, i will feel better if we get that guy banned tho

i forgive you

[topaz edge]

Try to ping the mods and explain the situation, that worked with me one time, have a good night bro

[static knoll]

<@&882349260409032746> could someone clean up the community and ban @brittle sphinx for this message attached

i havent even played your game in over a week and im getting harrassed out here

[knotty lily]

wtf happen here

[grim burrow]

man I hope they never get rid of the jake super jump tech

its actually so handy

[wet flicker]

I find it so funny that people hate on Jake in the twitch chats I come across. They want him nerfed. Every time people find a way to get kills on people that don't know the match up the players just get mad and complain

Getting a kill at 40 near the top just feels so nice but you gotta be real good at fishing it out for any decent player

[muted lance]

Are they completely unaware of where he stands against everyone else.

[wet flicker]

sure seems like it

[glad dagger]

i would love to see them play jake against a competent player

[ashen echo]

no one know's what a community's character is going through till you play them, everytime i see people that main other characters talk about jake, it's always them wanting jake dead

the skill issue is crazy and laughable

[wet flicker]

Yeah I play a few characters but enjoy Jake the most. Yet it's just way harder to get kills and win with Jake. The greater amount of effort is in how much more stressed I am for the same outcome

[ashen echo]

the fact that we have to strive twice as our opponent in the match, and if they lose they'll still complain is pathetic

jake is the physical embodiment that if you lose to him you simply suck

[muted lance]

The Dan Hibiki of Warner Bros

[glad dagger]

i'm convinced jake really is the worst
like even jason has more consistency

[ashen echo]

jason can curbstomp anything if he dodges right because he's, like, the greatest punisher of the game

jake cant even punish

lmao

[glad dagger]

its mainly because he has a huge jab and dodge jabbing is absurdly broken

[glad dagger]

but its also that they made jake reliant on stretchy punch and the endlag is pretty bad
meanwhile there's characters that can throw out a move per second

[ashen echo]

some can do it in less than a second

[ashen echo]

the fact he can be punished while at it just makes it worse

[glad dagger]

he's literally the only one held back by endlag

[ashen echo]

jake also has the most dogcrap jab of the game

its not even funny

[glad dagger]

yeah one of his best moves gets him hit

fr people dodge out of his jab on the first hit

[ashen echo]

not even about that, it's range is shorter than anything the game

and it cant contest

he loses every trade

sometimes even if you jab first but the opp manage to jab after you, you'll lose the trade

that's how much bullsh*t jake is in

and that's because his limbs has hurtboxes, so if u jab someone while they are mid attack u'll lose

i keep getting madder and madder as i state his issues its ridiculous lol

[glad dagger]

and that's only jab lmao

i feel like dodge invincibility is too generous
i'll try to read a dodge with punch or up tilt and even if i fully charge it they still dodge it

at this point i'm hoping for complete reworks for some of his moves instead of just buffs

[ashen echo]

indeed

it's looking like they dont know how to balance his kit

then just give him something else

[grim burrow]

If they just decreased the hurt box on the hand for all his charge moves I think he'd be fine, I like that he isn't busted because that means less mirror matches and when you beat someone you can really only attribute it to being better

[grim burrow]

I also think people are sleeping on his bounce house signature perk

[ashen echo]

it's bugged out just like the reflective trait his down special has

it doesnt reflect sometimes

[grim burrow]

Oh I noticed that so that's why some projectiles it just eats?

I more like the bounce because it's a good mix up, people always expect to land after the first and go for a punish but then I go back up and right back down to punish

[ashen echo]

sometimes it disolves as soon as it meets your hurtbox, sometimes it desolves while the reflective trait has already taken effect, literally disappearing mid air

[grim burrow]

Well if they ever fix that it'll be a great move with all the bugs and mortys I get in ranked

I wish it could reflect bugs rocket

[ashen echo]

nah that would be f*cking insane

being immune to it is already enough

[grim burrow]

Oh I didn't know he was immune I feel like I get hit but I haven't tried in a while

[ashen echo]

you are immune to literally everything

[grim burrow]

Found out last night it works on beetle juices aggro bug perk

[ashen echo]

his safe

jerry

smith's clone

garnet's gauntlet

[grim burrow]

Smiths clone?!

I know I've lost to that

[ashen echo]

you can reverse it into smith and eat him

[grim burrow]

Man I got lab this I swear I'm always losing to the clone and to Jerry, maybe I don't get the move out quick enough

[wet flicker]

bro I never get any of jakes moves out quick enough against most of the characters. thats why I am forced to play scared. to have a chance to even attack

[ashen echo]

gotta zone out with nair's

[topaz edge]

Yeh but not playing jake

Or at least not in a tryhard way

Just like ''I want to take it easy and troll someone''

Sadly, ajax at least say we are going to read a lot in the patch notes so I'm waiting for the jake buffs

Yeh u spitting facts rn, they did the same thing 2 times in a row but I'm really hoping for some shaggy nerfs and buffs for our boy, if we don't get them then I'm gonna scream all day

[glad dagger]

i don't entirely get the doomer mindset

[wet flicker]

bring back jake eating teammate dance

[ashen echo]

well

ig

the bright side is that they havent wokefied this game

y e t

[serene leaf]

it happened to me once

[ashen echo]

happens anytime u land a bite under a condition were you are interrupted

it detects as if u bit them but you didnt, so the camera focus you

to unglitch it you have to succesfully bite him

[glad dagger]

its dumb cause i'm pretty sure it only affects the camera on your end too

[ashen echo]

i mean, if he's talking about it its because it literally affects you?

or are you talking about the opp's side

[glad dagger]

yes it affects you and only you from what i can tell, cause every time it happened to me my opponent still kept playing normally

[thick timber]

Now that they shadow nerfed the only good perk its the only choice

[wet flicker]

Nah just use well rounded. Get more value than any of the other perks since they ruined jake

[ashen echo]

jake is the most shadow nerfed character in this game

they shadow nerfed him twice in a row

and that twice in a row was regarding his bite

[grim burrow]

I hope the skateboard jump survives this update

[muted lance]

Highkey probably going to quit this game if they don't get their heads out of their butt with Jake's state

[muted lance]

I have never seen that perk function ONCE

[clear jackal]

Already quit 😍

[grim burrow]

What do ya mean?

[muted lance]

The bouncing perk

[brave arrow]

It’s not that bad it allows you to get some stage control using down special

[muted lance]

I'm being very literal

It does not bounce when I use it

[brittle jackal]

I think it has to do by holding down when using it since the game thinks your fast falling with the house.

[grim burrow]

Yeah what elderly said, when you use it you can't also be holding down you gotta let up on the stick

[ashen echo]

they gonna give him a damage buff but then give him 5 shadow nerfs]

watch it happen

lmao

[worthy lion]

jake skateboard move is still not good but it’s easier to hit at least

no idea how they made it so bad

[thick timber]

dont everybody automatically tech out of it now so you cant combo with it

[glad dagger]

to whoever i just jake dittoed that was confusing af lmao

[grim burrow]

I only use it for the jump tech now

[fresh rapids]

Jake was so ass I left the game
It's been months
Did they fix him yet

[wet flicker]

yes for the third skateboard so get a bite in or whatever and it hopefully connects on instead of the third attempt

super weird oversight by pfg for jake

[muted lance]

I don't know if I should use my green beetle on the Jake skin

Considering the state Jake is in

PFG is too busy adding Harley and Velma skins to fix Jake

[short saddle]

He’s worse in comparison to everyone else

[ashen echo]

has always been like that since release tho

[short saddle]

Idk what you are smoking, he was amazing in the beta

… and only the beta

[wet flicker]

You are saying the same thing he is fyi

[ashen echo]

i said since release, YOU tell me what you are smoking

beta isnt release

[wet flicker]

It definitely doesn't work like before

[strange cedar]

Jake was a BEAST in beta.

In full release he sucked until this last patch. He wasn't even worth playing.

He's literally perfect now. Don't mess with him anymore. He's like he was originally in terms of playstyle but nerfed enough to where he isn't OP like beta

[ashen echo]

No one said otherwise lmao

[mossy linden]

Bro rly thinks jake is perfect rn

[muted lance]

👎

I just want to have fun playing him again

That's all I want

[ashen echo]

PFG *takes away all Jakes combos

Him: Jake is literally perfect

Lmao

[thick timber]

Idk if its intentional but sticky stuns them for 1 frame and bounces them away

[brittle sphinx]

buff jake PLZ

PLZLZLZL

[strange cedar]

2 ppl just did

[glad dagger]

sticky perk barely even makes a difference now lol

[ashen echo]

nobody said beta jake was bad bro, we said that jake was bad since release

and release isnt beta

[glacial violet]

he was saying he was s tier before im like 99% sure hes just rage baiting lmao

[ashen echo]

he's 100% ragebaiting

[wet flicker]

In what ways is he perfect now? even the devs in their last notes I saw alluded to him not performing well.

[brittle sphinx]

have you not seen what mustynobody could do bro

YO

HOW DO I SD ON JAKE

WHY IS IT NOT WORKING

[short saddle]

Oh you meant full release, then yeah ur right

[short saddle]

You think he’s perfect cause you don’t solo main him or play in the higher ranks, he is always fighting an up hill battle against most of the cast, you literally still can’t approach and even when you do, you have no combos anyway so your damage output is pitiful

[neon steeple]

It became inconsistent when this season started lol

[muted lance]

Prepare for sadness this season Jake mains

[cosmic meadow]

yer

[wet flicker]

after seeing these update bits, NERF JAKE

nerf his sair ,upair, baxter, and everything else

[muted lance]

The Jake community says no

[celest mural]

Is jake not fixed yet

This character has been so underwhelming since release

He deserves so much more love

[leaden axle]

We’ll see with upcoming patch notes what they did with him

[thick timber]

they removing him

[mossy linden]

Ngl season 3 seems promising

[strange cedar]

He's my main, Gizmo is my secondary character. I also was top 30 Jake players in the beta 1v1 chart (which had far more players than full release S2 chart we have now) as I'm going to assume you were too. I respectfully disagree, I just stopped responding to the all the comments that don't agree with me because I simply experience it to be true and don't care enough to debate people about this
👀

Yal can claim he needs buffed but if they do that's gonna make people then complain he's OP and then they'll nerf him again making him worse than you guys think he currently is.

Edit: I'll reply to this comment if they ever buff him (despite him already being just fine) so you can see what I meant

[neon steeple]

I mean if it’s true then what’s ur ign? I’m expecting a 85%+ winrate if jake is “perfect”

[neon steeple]

He does need to be buffed, and he probably will whether u like it or not lol. He can be buffed without becoming “OP”

[vivid plume]

buff jake ‼️‼️

[neon steeple]

#general message

[mossy linden]

Lol people actually think jake is op/perfect in his current state shi baffles me

[muted lance]

If he's not fun to play as, why bother?

[leaden axle]

patch notes are out. hes got a whole wall of text of changes

[static knoll]

jakes punch is now invulnerable

[muted lance]

Praise the heavens

[leaden axle]

its only the up smash attack after 50% charge and the up air 2 it seems. not the air side attack

[ashen echo]

they f*ck up way too much

i dont trust them at all to get jake to turn into a fuctional character of the roster

they maimed him every patch, they shadow nerf him alot

if they buff him they will give him something to compesate the other 3 nerfs they are going to cause

[neon steeple]

Jake got 12 nerfs. WTF

[prisma flower]

Yo why did they add so many random nerfs to Jake like wtf? Nerfed kb of inconsistent up air. Added repeat move lockout for sair. And Jake still has no approach options despite them talking about that lmao

but hey they buffed neutral ground attack

[thick timber]

This isnt that bad ngl

Bite changes suck tho

Id say this is a overall positive especially the hurtbox changes

[topaz edge]

I think he got from a cheeser to a slow bruiser idk what to think

[thick timber]

you can combo off neutral air now if it bounces on ground so i think thats great combo potential

[mossy linden]

Yeah no hurtbox on uair 2 is clutch, kinda stingy to only take it off the 2nd uair tho lol

[thick timber]

Ill take what I can get atp

[mossy linden]

No jump whilst bite is actually a crazy nerf

[thick timber]

od

[mossy linden]

We thought bite was butchered before

[ashen echo]

upair was his kill move and they murdered it's knockback

○ - Knockback reduced to 1150 from 1450

that's 200 knockback nerf

[prisma flower]

It’s not even that strong. And the amount of times the opponent escapes the 2nd hit is unbelievable

[ashen echo]

i really want to see how you are supposed to kill people now

[thick timber]

I read ts wrong i thought it was a buff, that is insane

[mossy linden]

Fr. Uair nerf, nair nerf, bite nerf… bruh

[prisma flower]

Yeah and they nerf bite his other kill move

[ashen echo]

what i find unbelievable is you saying that itself, they never escaped my second hit

[thick timber]

i dead dont think they playtest jake half as much as the other characters

[prisma flower]

also why do they lie and tell us they be adding approach options for Jake and then not add anything?

[ashen echo]

it became the new skateboard

it's borderline useless now

0.75 ''seconds'' to hold them

what the f*ck are you supposed to do with that

that's not enough time to even spit them out

[thick timber]

Now you gotta mash special to spit them out instantly or youre stunned

[ashen echo]

they will just immediately jump out if they are a good masher

[prisma flower]

you can’t even charge the spit anymore wtf?

[ashen echo]

sometimes it will still not be enough because the eating animation takes half that time

as soon as u eat then it's probable that they will just

jump out

[ashen echo]

brother, we probably cant even spit anymore lmao

[thick timber]

basically its a guaranteed minus frame position for like 10 damage and 1 weakened stack

[ashen echo]

and they made it so u cant jump if you have someone in your mouth

like if that was possible to do in the first place

[thick timber]

you wouldnt have time to anyways

[ashen echo]

with only nearly a half second to spit

[ashen echo]

literally what i said

[prisma flower]

Why nerf bite when that is all character has

[thick timber]

they fs speedran playtesting this

[mossy linden]

Guess they killed the bite kill confirm

[ashen echo]

oh no but dont worry!!, they made it so u can sair with consistency now!!!

wow that makes up

alot to the nerfs

fr fr

[thick timber]

they are terrified of making this character even slightly overtuned

[ashen echo]

they learnt from beta jake

[mossy linden]

Ww didn’t get a single nerf, but buffs. We get 12 nerfs. Like what

[ashen echo]

oh lmao

[thick timber]

at least ppg looks fun

[muted lance]

In the words of AVGN: What were they thinking??????

[glacial violet]

WAIT WHAT I DIDNT EVEN SEE THE BITE NERF

thats an insane nerf

[prisma flower]

Wdym consistent? They added repeat move lockout so you can’t even use it in neutral

[muted lance]

Jake mains on life support

[ashen echo]

dude

it's

12 nerfs

they dont read or see what they themselves are doing to the character

[thick timber]

I love how they also nerfed the damage on the nair follow up like it was possible to hit in the first place

[mossy linden]

ngl this is looking badddd

[ashen echo]

there's no way

[ashen echo]

yea lmao

that sh*t is like

one of the most powerful moves in his kit, and yet you cant land it

[muted lance]

Jake in Multiversus is pretty much a word for word recreation of Smash 4's "Better Nerf Greninja!" meme

[ashen echo]

you had to predict people's move to miss the nair to then land the special nair

[thick timber]

and now nair knocks downward so the only possible way to hit the follow up is after bouncing someone off the floor

[ashen echo]

this predict alone is like 100IQ move itself

[thick timber]

but it doesnt have enough knockback to kill off the floor anyway

[glacial violet]

i was excited when I heard they made certain hurtboxes on attacks invulnerable but I think i would rather have it be very vulnerable rather than this

[ashen echo]

bounce them on the floor with nair then stretch up

that will kill them im sure of it

even tho

they gutted

his second upair

[thick timber]

i think nair then skateboard to bite is true

forgot about the tech thing tho

[muted lance]

Scrap his entire character, erase his moveset from PFG's memory, and have PFG make his moveset from the ground up

[ashen echo]

if it wasnt for the tech mechanic, we could, skate three times, bounce, skate twice, eat

that

i assume it would be broken

[thick timber]

yea true

imagine if they were creative enough to have a solution that didnt just completely gut his combos

[glacial violet]

wait why did they nerf the up air that was probably the best kill option and it didnt even work half the time

[ashen echo]

i feel like, jake's kit is impossible to balance, because it's both sh*t and dangerous

i think they should rework his moveset

entirely

[thick timber]

atp they gotta but how is that gonna sell

[prisma flower]

Wish they did something to horse like bruh

[muted lance]

If they can give Batman new moves, they can rework Jake's moves entirely

[ashen echo]

yes

[prisma flower]

They instead decide to rework Finn

[thick timber]

used to never use it on release but now its one of the best moves due to process of elimination😭

[prisma flower]

Idk what moves they added for him but they added some cooldown ones

[ashen echo]

i used to kill ppl with his nair when we were fighting on the top of the map, when upair didnt suffice i could jump more and nair, and it killed them

so that's another kill move removed

well

lol

[glacial violet]

i wish they actually showed a bite cooldown like in beta

[prisma flower]

I guess that’s one way to make it good. Instead of improving the move make the other ones useless

[muted lance]

💀

[ashen echo]

fr, i think it would be 4x better, instead of gutting his bite, they give us a bit cooldown with two ammo's and give us the same consistency of release jake

[prisma flower]

Bruh like they could’ve had useful bite on cooldown and then a different move when off

[ashen echo]

that would be peak balance

[mossy linden]

Hopefully if u hit nair on someone above it still sends them up, would actually make no sense for them to go anywhere else

[ashen echo]

that meaning that you can do whatever you want with them

[thick timber]

they changed it to down for combos

ground up air is probably the only reliable kill now

[ashen echo]

down special when they are mid air sends them up instead of spiking

if they are above you and you nair, it's going to pull them to you

crazy that they are afraid of character that has no spike tool either lol

you have to jump outside of the map and sair downwards or risk a down air

everything in this character is risky

so much bullsh*t

[thick timber]

nair probably leaves you negative too if it doesnt bounce

[ashen echo]

yea they will prolly go out of the stun first while you are still on the endlag

same skate story again, that if u land it you get punished for it

[thick timber]

I just peeped they made ground neutral horizontal now how tf do you kill with this character😭

[ashen echo]

that move only killed

because it was a vertical

they know what they did with this ''buff'' on jake

they say they buffed but they are fully aware that they killed this character once again

they took every kill tool he had, and gave ''consistency'' in return

b*tch, what are we supposed to do with consistency?, beat them up until they feel humiliated enough to jump off the stage? lmao

[brittle sphinx]

why would they nerff

up air 2

in knockback

ngl i still havent read his 5 paragraph essay worth of changes

that are still not gonna make him any better

[ashen echo]

well they gutted his bite

once more

now you get to hold them

for

0.75 ''seconds''

[brittle sphinx]

whats the point of bite if ur just gonna bite autmatically release cant even do setups

yeah im actually done with this character

time to play samurai jack

[ashen echo]

which if u have played the game, which im sure you did, you know this isnt enough time to eevn spit them out

[brittle sphinx]

there is no shot they made it so u cant spit

i think u just bite automatically spit

its still garbage though

like

what r u gonna do

with an automatic spit

????

cant do no setups

[ashen echo]

0.75 seconds is the max amount of time u can hold your opp if they mash succesfully

so if you are against someone who's a good masher, bite is useless for you

[brittle sphinx]

u cant even jump with bite and spit to the top no more gg

[ashen echo]

you do realise

that if you have

less than a half second

to react with bite

you dont have time to jump

either

right?

[brittle sphinx]

yeah i know

thats why i said "u cant even"

cuz like the previous nerf already made it so jake got

0 setups

with bite

[ashen echo]

ah right, because that's an actual nerf

they made it so u cant jump

[brittle sphinx]

DAWG

WHAT

[ashen echo]

yes

it's overkill

in this case overnerf

i was drowning myself in space marine 2 waiting for a jake comeback and they do this

lmao

but i mean

as of rn, it's all theorerical, what if jake actually turns out to be good now

[wet flicker]

im drowning myself in jake marine 2 as well

[brittle sphinx]

bro

i give up on jake man

if they somehow

balanced jake

idk bro

what are even his kill options?

THEY LITERALLY NERFFED KNOCKBACK ON ALL HIS KILL OPTIONS ARE THEY STUPID

[brittle sphinx]

might as well remove bite and give him another move\

bunch of losers

istg

these devs must of been getting fried by jake

[ashen echo]

he has none

you 100%

depends on your opps mistake

to win

you need your opp to fumble and go to the edge so that u can kill them

you need them to go high in the air so that you can kill them

jake is 100% about skill issue now

no excuse for losing to him

[brittle sphinx]

dev team is so high i actually cant

[ashen echo]

notice that

they made the top blast zone go higher, it's exponentially higher, and then they nerf his uppair

it's not a f*cking coincidence

how do people do not see

that this dev team has actual

beef

with jake

they dont like him

[brittle sphinx]

ik thalion gets smacked around in ranked by jake

[thorn zenith]

Are we back??

[ashen echo]

theorically

no

they nerfed all his kill moves now

but gave him consistency in combos

[thorn zenith]

Hmmmmmm

I can make it work

I just got off tho so

I’ll check it tomorrow

[ashen echo]

i can play good so i can prolly make it work aswell

[thorn zenith]

Awesome

[ashen echo]

the update isnt even released

[thorn zenith]

What’s tomorrow btw

[ashen echo]

tOmORrow

lol

[thorn zenith]

GENUIUS

I cannot speel…

[ashen echo]

😔

[wet flicker]

Sapo I want us to win. I do

but PFG hates us

[mossy linden]

Fr. Jake better be feeling amazing, still got a bit of hope ngl

[wet flicker]

the only thing that has me hopeful is that they are bringing back 3 jump perk and the new movement may be beneficial to jake

[strange cedar]

I wasn't joking tho 😅

[strange cedar]

We'll seEeeeeEee

[short saddle]

I mean, I don’t really see the point in talking about your rank when you are unwilling to justify your position, we both are consistent higher echelon Jake players, a discussion would only broaden our understanding of the character, especially coming from the fact that most jake players suck and rely on cheese to win, which won’t work on actual good players that play good characters. And if you don’t want to elaborate on your opinion, I don’t even see the point in mentioning it

[ornate ruin]

Pfg belike : lets not change anything about ww(s tier character) And nerf jake instead

My man gets more gutted every update😭

[grim burrow]

I don't get the bite

Why not just remove it or re work it they obviously don't want it to work

[alpine hatch]

If they want to nerf it so much then they should just revert all of the changes and add back the cooldown it had in beta

[thorn zenith]

I think the issue with bite they tried to address was that unlike any other manual grab, Jake can aim his opponent, which usually leads to most aiming up and knocking the opponent into the blast zone

A better solution which they did implement is not allowing Jake to jump or just having less jumping power

I don’t understand why you’d nerf the time

Is there any other type of manual grab you can mash out of effectively??

There’s agent smith with one of his perks and Jason’s sleeping bag sure

Can someone check between Jason’s bag and Jake’s bite which one is faster to mash out of

[brittle sphinx]

jake got nerffed lol

[neon steeple]

At least give me a total damage dealt badge bruh😭

[ashen echo]

they gutted his sair endlag

you cant cheese

skadakdwlkqlkdsad

[mossy linden]

This is bad

? He wasn’t perfect in season 2 lol

[strange cedar]

🥲

☕

[grim burrow]

How does then endlag effect his side air kill?

[grim burrow]

You're a little early

[ashen echo]

no one listened to what

lmao

all u said was that jake was perfect

he wasnt

the best jake so far since release was jake on release to begin with

[strange cedar]

🤨

I believe he was better in S2 100% than S1

Nothing beats beta Jake but that game was broken and overly sped up

I agree to disagree tho it's just my opinion dw 😭

[grim burrow]

Are we really claiming he's worse now? Were in like hour 2 of season 3 😭

[wet flicker]

Anyways. What are the thoughts regarding current Jake? I imagine he's different with all the changes

[grim burrow]

Hot take I rarely ever even use bite so the time reduction isn't too bad lol

[strange cedar]

I haven't done S3 yet so I dunno

I'm assuming he's still playable

[strange cedar]

Just gotta spit them out quicker yK?

[grim burrow]

On paper he sounds better

[grim burrow]

Hawk Tuah dog

[strange cedar]

XD

I'm going to play Jake in a few hours, then come on here, and type a prediction for next season

[grim burrow]

I think the axe arm invulnerability at 50% alone is a game changer

[strange cedar]

IKR

I actually think that's a HUGE W

[wet flicker]

Wait he gets armor??

[grim burrow]

I'm always getting punished with that thing so it'll be a nice change haha

[strange cedar]

When you hit ppl with his fist past 50% charged it won't damage you if you touch their attacks

[grim burrow]

No he loses the hurt box in the arm and axe at 50% Charge

Which is better than armor IMO

[strange cedar]

Honestly I'm not too mad at the Jake tweaks

[wet flicker]

Oh that's a pretty solid change.

[grim burrow]

Has anyone played him yet? Do we still have skateboard jump?

That's what I'm scared of losing

[wet flicker]

It annoyed me so much that I got bodied from stupid things at full charge punch

[ashen echo]

S1 was unlimited bites

no holding back on sair

[strange cedar]

Only a few things bugged me like the decreased knock backs on stuff. I get its for easier comboing, but I hope it doesn't effect ringouts

[ashen echo]

he was ruthless

i did a combo on S1 that i did 4 bites in a row and killed my opp

you can never do that

[strange cedar]

Bro I only played Jake in beta, and then in S1 quit him cuz his Nair SUCKED and he was too slow, S2 wasn't so bad yk? He got better

[grim burrow]

The decrease is great for his neutral air but the decrease on the 2nd up air is lame (although I rarely hit that anyways)

[ashen echo]

its crazy how your opinion on everything is unpopular or just overal suck

jake had no restrictions

whatsoever

on season 1

[grim burrow]

It's like Tony stark said - "if you're nothing without bite, you shouldn't have had it to begin with"

[strange cedar]

I mean hey it's a silly little game I make direct/blunt statements but in the end they are just subjective takes 👀

Everything relating character expression is subjective

[ashen echo]

not saying that i relied on it, i was still cranking clips even late-end season 2

[strange cedar]

Did you know every video I watched during S1 said he was the lowest tier character? Including the popular ones?

[grim burrow]

I guess there's an argument to be made where is a gimmicky character better?

[ashen echo]

that's jake on every season

he always sucked

but his ''prime'' since release was season 1

[grim burrow]

True only good Jake was beta Jake

[strange cedar]

What happens if we become a top 10 Jake player

[strange cedar]

He was cracked

[brittle sphinx]

nothing?

ur just top 10

[grim burrow]

Hahaha

[strange cedar]

What if you become top 10 on the 100 leaderboard with Jake?

[brittle sphinx]

ur still not gonna get anything

besides the grand champion banner

[strange cedar]

Would it imply he's a good character?

[brittle sphinx]

no

[grim burrow]

No way

[strange cedar]

Considering he's able to be in top 10

Oh okay

Must just be a skill thing then?

[grim burrow]

Yep

[brittle sphinx]

if more than a handful of people get to top 100 with a certain character

[strange cedar]

Noted 📝

[brittle sphinx]

it just shows the character is strong

[ashen echo]

it's all about the character itself

if you see alot of the same character on high rankings it's because he's strong, and if he's picked alot is because ppl prefer him

you being top 1 jake wouldnt mean jake is a god

[strange cedar]

I apologize for stating my opinions so strongly btw guys. I didn't mean to be rude. In the end of the day, it's just a game

And we can all agree we don't like Banana Guard in unity

[grim burrow]

Amen

[strange cedar]

Fair

[ashen echo]

example is that mustynobody went up against one of the best superman's there is and he lost 3x1, and two of those loses he got 3 stocked

that means he got ring'd out without killing supes once

[strange cedar]

LOL

That's wild

[ashen echo]

twice in a row

that ultimately means that the game suffers from severe balance issue, the best player of a character stands no chance against the best player of another character

and i bet that is the case with jake with more than half of the roster

[strange cedar]

I'm really curious to see if this patch has helped at all

[ashen echo]

i played about 6 matches rn and jake feels slower

really slower

his sair nearly anchors him and the endlag of it got nerfed

you get endlag for a whole second

that's an insane punish window

[ashen echo]

even tho they said they improved jake's combo game, it's still dogsh*t because of the tech mechanic they added

[grim burrow]

Please tell me do we still have skateboard jump

[ashen echo]

you mean when he flies upwards with the skate?

didnt try it

the only thing that they truly did good for jake is two things, that being that now you are able to dodge into sair, which is a good engaging tool

and you can land neutral air special now

at the cost that they nerfed it's knockback....

ngl it feels pathetic if im being honest, i only won but that's because all of those matches except for one, was against ppg

one was against a really good bugs

[grim burrow]

Side air still has the same kill power? Just more lag?

[ashen echo]

they only nerfed the endlag

[grim burrow]

Ok I can live with that

[ashen echo]

i think you need to play to see how bad the endlag is rn

[grim burrow]

I mean even if they put it on cool down, just gotta make sure you hit them

[wet flicker]

The only good Jake is a nerfed jake?

[ashen echo]

ah yes, cooldown on an attack where the startup lag is so insane that all that it's missing is jake yelling ''im going to punch you now, dodge.''

[crude reef]

it’s really sad that they nerfed all the killing potential moves for Jake

[grim burrow]

Just sayin I'm hitting my shots 😏

[ashen echo]

well me too, but match against someone actually good

it starts being difficult

[ashen echo]

yea

so far the only way i managed to kill people

is to lure them or put them in a position where they are clinging to the walls, and then i sair downwards, spiking them

[grim burrow]

Guys we can't keep the cheese AND buff him you gotta pick a lane

[crude reef]

that’s what i always did before this season

i haven’t played jake yet i’m just updating the game rn

but it seems like i may have to drop him

[ashen echo]

well it's nearly impossible to kill them on the top of the map

the nerf on upair was insane

[crude reef]

every update they throw out makes jake weaker than the last patch

like how they added automatic techs into the game

jake’s skateboard sucks already

[grim burrow]

I like to off stage them and stretch up on ledge to snap them up to up air, get a lot of kills that way too

[crude reef]

and when teaching got added he literally can’t skateboard into bite anymore

[ashen echo]

i said before and i'll say it again, every patch is secretely trying to kill jake just enough so that nobody plays him

[crude reef]

really made me sad

[ashen echo]

cuz the devs dislike him

[grim burrow]

Or even stretch over the edge so they bounce back down

[crude reef]

that’s what i’m sayin

[ashen echo]

they first raised the top blast zone higher, really higher, and now they nerfed uppair

it's

so obvious

[grim burrow]

The grace was raised that's different

[crude reef]

and up air was the only good move to actually kill

since sair could easily let the opponents hit the ground and not kill them

[grim burrow]

The hit into the top is the same, they raised the grace you have when you do things like jump so you didn't accidentally KO yourself

[mossy linden]

Ngl bite isn’t even that bad

Why

I feel like I can eat the same person more often than before without them automatically leaving my belly

Yeah no jump is a pain ngl. But I did manage to ring someone out by just aiming it up

Fr

[mossy linden]

It’s fkdddd oh my

[crude reef]

can’t mallet into sair now

jake is doomed

[grim burrow]

You can't? 😭

[crude reef]

nope

[grim burrow]

Damn, that's the first thing I've heard that actually upsets me

[ashen echo]

wow another combo potential removed

just when they said they made his combo game better

pathetic aint it

[mossy linden]

It leaves jake’s fist as a mallet for tooo long. U can still sair after but no where nearly as quickly

[crude reef]

yeah exactly

but for the knockback that mallet does sair is gonna be readable now

up air can’t kill at 115

and with some stages having high ass blast zone

gonna have to kill around 140 possibly

this is actually horrible

[mossy linden]

Before the patch, Ajax said there will be a lot of movement in tier lists Seems like Jake’s going further down

[crude reef]

is it me or does jake sair feel a bit janky

like when aiming it downwards are up

and his dash into jab is gone too

he literally stops dashing midway through

but everyone else is fine

jake is worse than last season

[ashen echo]

ye

actual clowns

[mossy linden]

Bite (upwards spit) > up special > uairs doesn’t kill early anymore 😖

[short saddle]

I’m not joking, there are mashing routes that can instantly get an opponent out of bite, stale or not

[ashen echo]

nothing kills early anymore for jake lmao

they took

everything he had

so like he has no killpower, no kill move

no nothing

[short saddle]

He is still awful and now with the all around movement buffs, Jake players are going even lower in the tier list cause his hurt box extensions are too big while he has the weight of an assassin

[ashen echo]

you are supposed to sweat, cheese and tryhard if you want to win

and doing all of those makes your victory seems unsatisfying

cuz the point of playing a game is to have fun

and then they take the fun away

[short saddle]

I’d argue cheese is not fun

[ashen echo]

which is why i said that if you have to cheese to win, it makes everything unsatisfying and unfun

[short saddle]

They should honestly nerf his cheese and just make his stats good, more damage age especially speed

[short saddle]

Oh yeah true

[ashen echo]

they already gutted his cheesing factor

i dont think u played the game yet

[short saddle]

I did

[ashen echo]

there's a whole second delay for his sair

i mean endlag

[short saddle]

They nerfed the cheese and gave him nothing else except for a weird change to his neutral air

[ashen echo]

they also made it so you can dash into sair now

it's effective

[short saddle]

That move already has a lot of end lag

[ashen echo]

doesnt make up to the endlag gutting tho

[short saddle]

Around 13 frames before

[ashen echo]

the endlag is so insane now that it lasts long enough for you to float over the ground for a whole second and then land

it wasnt like this

[short saddle]

Yeah I’m not playing multiversus until they make Jake at least a decent character, we shouldn’t be getting punished this hard for using our ONLY neutral tool

I don’t understand why a ranged character has to gamble with every move they use, like isn’t the point of a bait and punish character supposed to be that they have good frame data?

[brave arrow]

Is Jake actually still bad

[mossy linden]

Even worse

[brave arrow]

No way bruh

[crude reef]

and decided to buff wonder woman who is already broken

sad day to be a jake main

[shy epoch]

Am I the only one who believes that this jake update would be overall positive if they didn’t take away the ability to jump with someone ate? That was the main thing that led to many of my early kills / hype set ups

[mossy linden]

what makes u think it would be overall positive? His end lag on attacks is unreal. But yeah I agree that the no jump is annoying asf

Last season jake was much faster than this, and even then he was slow asf

[eternal bridge]

jake believers.. its over

[static knoll]

jakes good now tho what

3 stocks the first 2 games i played after not playing for weeks

[grim burrow]

Ok finally got to play... he's ruined

[grim burrow]

That's the new ranked system in place buddy

[crude reef]

i mean if they didn’t remove the jump from bite it could still be okay

but the fact that he got so much endlag on so many attacks now is what makes it annoying

his moves was already slow before

and now it’s even slower trying to use another move

it’s like we’re getting punished for even playing him

[celest mural]

Whats sad is this is probably the last fighting game that will ever have jake the dog

And hes getting pushed under the rug so badly

After seeing how creative the team was with the powerpuff girls, just revamp jakes entire moveset to be more creative and true to the character

Jake should be using more size manipulation

And more shapeshifting and grabbing based attacks

His crouching animation should just be shrinking down

Jakes powers allow so much creative freedom its insane how fluid he could be

Imagine if he could play like pokemon trainer in smash ultimate

With 3 sizes with different movesets

One as large as iron giant

One as small as gizmo

One inbetween

So many different options

[muted lance]

How often does Jake eat non foods

Or bite in general

Or go James Baxter mode honestly

[celest mural]

Literally once or twice

Jake only really ate fin to turn into a car

But that move already has representation

[muted lance]

Yeah those Specials are kind of

Idk filler moves

[celest mural]

But jake should be more fluid

He’s completely unlimited in his shapes

Hes only limited by these shapes needing to be connected as hes one body

[muted lance]

Now that I think about it

...Why doesn't Jake have a high five move like Finn?

They've both done it frequently

In fact a whole episode is about the two of them making this epic high five

[rare owl]

ok i like what youre saying but this is a little too much

id be happy with just one moveset

[celest mural]

Im spit balling ideas for creativity

And it wouldnt be out of character

The powerpuff girls moveset is complex

Jake primarily fights by changing his size

[muted lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQgmB31GkI

There absolutely should be a bonus for having Finn and Jake on a team

And doing a high five together

[rare owl]

jake needs an emote where he can transform into the opponent

[muted lance]

Jake needs an emote where he turns into a wojak version of his opponent

[celest mural]

Like he transforms into finn with the marcelines closet episode 🤣

[rare owl]

lol yeah

[celest mural]

But i think everyone would agree jake needs more creativity

Jake is goofy and very creative with his powers

[rare owl]

like for their win animation they come flying into frame

[muted lance]

Bonus for synergy if you know what I mean

[celest mural]

Jake suit would be an iconic team victory animation

Imagine if jake had an irongiant mech system

And it would just show ur teammates face sticking out of his mouth like finns with the Jake suit 🤣

Theres just so many options its insane

[rare owl]

jake suit shouldve already been in the game

i thought it existed in beta before i was a jake main but somehow it didnt

[celest mural]

Its such a core gimick of finn and jakes team up

[thorn zenith]

How do you manage to make Jake worse

How

Pfg I believed in you

HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO MAKE HIM WORSE

DO YOU FIGHT AGAINST BOTS?????????

OR DO YOU HAVE ACTUAL PLAYTESTERS????

Genuinely making me tweak how do y’all say “Jake’s underperforming” and that whack us with an update that makes him WORSE

[rare owl]

i havent tried the update yet is he really that bad

[thorn zenith]

YES

hes somehow even slower

i used to be like

one of the best

and im advising you now

PICK UP SOMEONE ELSE

DO NOT TOUCH JAKE IN YOUR CAREER

EVER

[glad dagger]

can't even nair up air

ngl i think i'm just gonna play ppg instead

[brittle sphinx]

jake feels so bad

gg

[mossy linden]

gg

[brittle sphinx]

dawg

im actually done

with jake

hes soooo

BAD

he feels insanely sluggish

[patent vector]

He got better but

[brittle sphinx]

no he didnt

he straight up got WORSE

somehow

he feels

so SLUGGISH

[patent vector]

His kit is so weird and he doesn’t fit in this meta at all

[brittle sphinx]

im gonna main samurai jack instead

i give up

[patent vector]

Well yeah he’s been sluggish since the rea release

[brittle sphinx]

pfg cant muster up the brain power to fix jake

[brittle sphinx]

he feels even worse

how does jake

feel worse

than he already did

i gotta know how they pulled this off

[patent vector]

They should’ve tuned up his ground moves more because aerial wise he’s fine

[mossy linden]

It’s unreal now tho

[ashen echo]

''jake has been underperfoming and underpicked'' releases an update that makes it worse

lmao

[brittle sphinx]

dude

his air up attack

i be clicking that

and it takes so long to come out

[patent vector]

How do

[ashen echo]

no one's going to pick him now

[brittle sphinx]

dude

[patent vector]

The second version? Yeah idk why it doesn’t combo anymore

[brittle sphinx]

i dont understand why they wont just buff jake

[mossy linden]

Not sure what it’s called but I think it’s called end lag, after some attacks it takes even longer to use a next one

[brittle sphinx]

yeah

he is ACTUALLY slower

[patent vector]

That’s the thing Jake combos were always super pulverizing(dair into bite so you’re off the edge; upspecial to upair for instant kills; nair to bite same thing)

[brittle sphinx]

dude ur talking about beta combos

[patent vector]

He has like 4 really good moves that make his play style into an easy flowchart that had massive success

[brittle sphinx]

its been increasingly difficult to hit

skateboard

to bite

nair to bite

doesnt even work

because ur special becomes part 2

[ashen echo]

they removed sair into skate into bite two updates ago as well

they are sucking the fun out of the game

[mossy linden]

Only dair to bite was a combo

Up Special to uair doesn’t even kill anymore. Even if u bite and apply weekend straight before

[patent vector]

Fair but the others were hard to avoid especially upair > up special

[brittle sphinx]

dude im actually just glad i got this cringy mess of a character to masters in s2 im calling it now ive had enough of dealing with jake

2 seasons of pure disappointment

time to move on

im playing samurai jack now

oh yeah and his side air is even slower

comboing with this character is actually a nightmare

but nah keep the combo game of every other character the same

darkshadowcat gotta be typing an essay gawwllyyy

SPIT ITT OUT DARKSHADOWCAT

[glad dagger]

don't get why they made it so you can't jump during bite either

trying to type while playing

[mossy linden]

They definitely want jake to be the worst fighter. 12 nerfs on a character already low tier is horrid works

[brittle sphinx]

yeah not being able to jump with bite

[patent vector]

That’s why I think they should buff his up close , less powerful moves more than they did now so he can contest up close, instead of the overly expansive oppression he had in the open beta

[brittle sphinx]

yeah its over

[patent vector]

Main reason why his arms got hurt boxes during the overhaul

Just give him the ability to set up good positions for his distance moves without the distance moves being the only thing he’s good for

[brittle sphinx]

dude ppg is sooooo good

in design

[patent vector]

That’s why I like the nair up special changes

Sets up well for up air and upspecial; good kill potential l; but not crazy broken to where you can’t di or get killed early from it

[glad dagger]

old nair was fine where it was imo

[brittle sphinx]

yeah

it was

[patent vector]

It was; bite was the problem

[brittle sphinx]

they went out and made nair bounce them downards which sure makes the nair 2 a true but like

old nair was much better

[mossy linden]

How so? I’m sure they fixed it last season and just absolutely butchered it this season

[glad dagger]

like if they really didn't want jake spamming bite give it a cooldown

part of the reason why bite is good is because its spammable
but rather than getting rid of that they nerf its utility hard

[mossy linden]

Literally

[brittle sphinx]

they massacred my boy

i miss my beta boy that would receive a 2 page essay worth of nerfs and still be absolutely cracked

bite literally had a cool down in beta why not do what u did previously?

[ashen echo]

i give up on PFG

they dont deserve this game

[neon steeple]

Chat just don’t play jake and when they see his low ass playtime substantially drop they’ll finally fix or remove him

[glad dagger]

i'm already on ppg

[brittle sphinx]

just remove him from the game

please

please remove Jake from the game

i like to play Jake mainly because i enjoy his character and no other character hits the same like Jake

BUT GOD ALMIGHTY HES SO TRASH

[glad dagger]

now i'm just gonna wait till marceline drops

[brittle jackal]

I know Jake is bad and is like the worst character in the game & stuff but I don't know why its fun to play him, especially with his armor breaking tools

He's that character where he feels alright at his current state but can be better

Jake has glaring weaknesses in plain sight like hard time landing, and is read havy

[ashen echo]

i find him fun because his playstyle and moveset overal differs from everything seen on the game

he can literally stretch around the map

his punch nearly goes to the other side of the map

[brittle jackal]

I always enjoy just being floaty and a nuance to hit via nair and horse