#Jake The Dog
gray pollen
i already made one and it seems way better than just complaining in the character thread because you actually talk to a person that can change stuff
celest mural
i already made one and it seems way better than just complaining in the characte...
ur right, i just made a ticket
gray pollen
if jake gets a buff im gonna be #1
celest mural
Lets just focus on fixing him first LOL
fair heart
If you think Jake is 20 times weaker than any character in this game you are so so wrong im sorry
I hope you were exaggerating
gray pollen
honestly jake is only 3x weaker
but 3x is a lot
3 hit combo 14 dmg , shaggy does 15 on sidesig
like tf
fair heart
I mean unfortunately thats the state of the game rn
there are the top 9 characters
huge gap
everybody else
gray pollen
if jake gets a buff im gonna slam all the bugs mains
gray pollen
do you even play jake
fair heart
Yeah I do
gray pollen
dont you see?
fair heart
I have him level 6 atm
And I played him in the beta until marvin came out
The only things that really suck is not being able to anti air consistently and up b breaking my game
I think a sair and up tilt should have hurt boxes one frame after their hitbox comes out
so they can be counterpoked but can also counter poke
gray pollen
jake in beta was way better
gray pollen
i think he is one of the worst right now
he actually has hurtboxes on every attack so that means he gets equal trades in best case
fair heart
Yeah Id say but he isnt garbage but my other main is also one of the worst in 1s atm so I guess I dont feel it too bad
Velma and Jason are like D tier
Jake is def better than them
he is like C
the problem is the difference between top tiers and everyone else is a huge gap
fair heart
its much easier to get hits with jake
fair heart
with his only upside being hit hard
gray pollen
the punch has hurtbox that results in equal trade
fair heart
but thats just not a problem with good players
gray pollen
so its basically a 50/50 fight
fair heart
well thats not a fair argument because punch and up tilt arent his only move and as I said I agree
fair heart
I think a sair and up tilt should have hurt boxes one frame after their hitbox c...
^
skateboard shouldnt hit all three hits consistently imo
you should have to read di
gray pollen
yeah but the fact that the first hit is insanely hard to hit doesnt make sense
fair heart
what wiuld be the issue?
gray pollen
doesnt have potential to outskill
fair heart
yeah as I said every non-top tier feels unfair
gray pollen
only potential for 50/50 dmg
fair heart
im sorry but every stretchy limbs character in fgs has hurtboxes
to add outplay potential
gray pollen
mhm
ok
one easy fix brodie
literally just make light attacks do more dmg
his damage is sub par , every other character does double dmg than him
fair heart
yeah he needs buff but he is being downplayed im ngl
just from my experience with him
gray pollen
honestly if he did 4 more dmg per attack he would be great , and maybe skateboard active time a lil longer because its insanely hard to hit
fair heart
like if you looked at this channel you would think he is like dr mario or little mac level
gray pollen
thats all the changes he needs to be great
fair heart
agree those are fair buffs
gray pollen
ez
celest mural
I hope you were exaggerating
its hyperbole dude yes its exaggerating
fair heart
well there is no tone in texts im sorry for not picking that up
no need to be aggressive
celest mural
My apologies
fair heart
would you agree with the buff to add jakes stretchy hurtboxes a frame after the hit box is out to make it so he can counterplay but also be counterplayed?
celest mural
Tbh no
fair heart
why not
celest mural
Because its a spacing attack
it should be able to space
jake needs some safe moves
fair heart
it would be able to
celest mural
with a tight window that would be punished by lingering hitboxes or armor
its a bad idea
fair heart
what stretchy limb character just has no hurtboxes on punches?
celest mural
jake hasnt been in a fighting game before
fair heart
with a tight window that would be punished by lingering hitboxes or armor
the lingering hitbox would be punished that doesnt make sense
celest mural
besides brawlhalla
celest mural
the lingering hitbox would be punished that doesnt make sense
nope not if its something that lingers
or if it has armor
fair heart
yes it would the hitbox would come out before the the hurtbox
celest mural
Theres absolutely no reason to have a hurtbox in his attack
fair heart
you would hit them out of their “lingering hitbox” if you had good spacing
celest mural
it was perfectly fine without it
You have to charge it to get its max range
thats punishable enough
fair heart
stretchy punch was anything but punishable enough in the beta
celest mural
stretchy punch was anything but punishable enough in the beta
Right now it is punishable beyond belief
its like a projectile with a hurt box
even jakes upsmash axe has a hurtbox
thats so dumb
celest mural
exactly
it makes hitting things like taz's spin more punishing to urself
u cant out range taz's spins u have to wait until before or after he does it
instead of being able to punish
because ur launching ur hurtbox towards him
fair heart
punch needs a hurtbox though not the same frames as the hitbox but
celest mural
I dont think it does
fair heart
1+ frames after the hitbox comes out
fair heart
what melee spacing tools without hurtboxes are as strong as jake sair
celest mural
with how slow he is and with how much endlag?
celest mural
what melee spacing tools without hurtboxes are as strong as jake sair
They are mostly projectiles but still
fair heart
he feels just as slow as everyone else besides the top tiers/arya
celest mural
no he does not lol
fair heart
They are mostly projectiles but still
thats the difference obviously
celest mural
his downair takes 3 business days
gray pollen
jake cant compete with projectile champs anyway so
celest mural
idk why ur hard defending this giant nerf
gray pollen
what can you do
celest mural
whats wrong with having a safe move with range?
fair heart
other characters need to be brought to everyones level
celest mural
just punish the wiff by hitting the main body
jake is definitely lower mid
not just mid
or dodge it?
parry it?
theres no excuse to keep a hitbox on his fair
fair heart
well my other main is also around lower mid in 1s so i dont see mich difference from marv to jake
as I said the issue
is there are the top 10 characters
huge gap
celest mural
no its not just that
fair heart
everyone else
fair heart
why should he just get priority
that was his problem
he constantly had priority for free
celest mural
on some moves like down special?
that should have it for sure
fist needs a little too
fair heart
just by playing neutral in the beta he had priority and it felt like garbage
celest mural
and axe definitely needs it
down special like kirbys from smash should have priority
fair heart
I agree
celest mural
just by playing neutral in the beta he had priority and it felt like garbage
Play as jake now, and you can not get hit. If u do u lose the trade 100%
its like playing on thin ice
fair heart
I have been Ive said that
celest mural
this is worse
fair heart
i agree
jake can compete with everyone but top tiers and thats a lot of characters issue
celest mural
he gets out prioritized by EVERYONE
by everything
this character needs a big buff
celest mural
yes a big buff imo
celest mural
jake was gutted
gray pollen
slagater you are just bad at the game
jake can outplay
just needs 4 extra dmg on attacks and skateboard duration a lil longer
celest mural
slagater you are just bad at the game
First off, i didnt say im not having success, im just tired of slaving away to get them
no reason to attack me personally lol
fair heart
If jake got all his hurtboxes removed wed be almost square one
celest mural
You have to be ultra careful
celest mural
If jake got all his hurtboxes removed wed be almost square one
not all just on axe and fair
i think thats fair
fair heart
fair needs what I said the change should be
celest mural
I think its really unnecessary to have to be frame perfect
with 1 frame thats insane
gray pollen
no reason to attack me personally lol
i was just saying if you think jake needs this huge of a buff you might as well just be bad at the game
celest mural
i was just saying if you think jake needs this huge of a buff you might as well ...
That makes zero sense
u just said "You're just bad at the game"
u have no idea how i play
gray pollen
he is still good but with a slight dmg buff and slightly longer skate he is great
fair heart
you wouldnt have to be frame perfect you would just have to have good spacing
if sair hurtbox was a frame after its hitbox
celest mural
u need to be able to cancel skates endlag
fair heart
a good jake would be able to punch taz out of nado
celest mural
u have to commit so hard to the move
fair heart
but if you whiff you can get punished
celest mural
a good jake would be able to punch taz out of nado
Its gonna linger more than one frame im telling u
wary sage
and axe definitely needs it
some banana guard missed his side special i tried to punish him with the axe and i got killed not him its such bs
celest mural
1 frame is not a lot of room
fair heart
its the first frame
of when the move comes out
thats the hitbox
if you hit the move
they wont contest it
if you whiff you can get punished
celest mural
but one frame?
it should ATLEAST be a few more than 1
I just dont see why they cant just punish the main body honestly
fair heart
okay 2 or 3 it wouldnt make a difference
celest mural
on a whiff
fair heart
I just dont see why they cant just punish the main body honestly
because there is a huge hitbox stopping some characters from doing that
celest mural
because there is a huge hitbox stopping some characters from doing that
so? its a spacing tool
dodge parry or rush closer
we have toools now for this
celest mural
you shouldnt be able to mindlessly throw out a move essp now
it has knock back decay and not a lot of knockback
and it has endlag
and CHARGE on it
fair heart
attack decay almost balanced sair in the beta
if someone counter pokes you with the change I suggested
you deserve to get hit
it was outplaying
right now ill admit a lot of the trades mindlessly happen
celest mural
you deserve to get hit
Why cant they just hit the main body
it makes no sense
like every other character in the game
He wouldnt be unstoppable or unpunishable
the move is telegraphed
its very punishable even without the hurtbox on it
not nearly as much but it wouldnt be OP
gray pollen
jake is 80% arms
why should he be body only i dont get that
he would be unpunishabl
celest mural
he would be unpunishabl
No he wouldnt its called having range
By ur logic he would have a hurtbox on his entire upspecial 🤣
He can be punished up close or by characters with projectiles/more range
The top 50 jakes seem to all agree that jake needs good changes
One of them being to remove hurtboxes in his extended limbs
gray pollen
No he wouldnt its called having range
honestly just drop the game if you think like that
jake would be broken
agile fractal
I Also Think Unlike Another Character With Long Arms In A Platform Fighter (Min Min.) Jake’s Moves Aren’t As Fast And Can’t Cover As Much Space, I Feel Like The Limb Hitting Thing Really Should Be Flipped.
celest mural
I Also Think Unlike Another Character With Long Arms In A Platform Fighter (Min ...
THANK YOU
My goodness thank you
You beautiful human being
agile fractal
Min Min Fails Because She Opressive And Not Fun (Even Coming From Someone Who Mains Kirby, Someone Who Counters Her Due To His Nair And Copy Ability.) But Jake Has No Oppression And Everything Is Insanely Risky.
celest mural
jake would be broken
Nope you just cant counter ranged just say that
agile fractal
I Get The Point That Their Bait And Punish (Infact Even Like Kirby.) But The Punish They Get For The Risk Doesn’t Feel Good Enough In My Opinion.
gray pollen
Nope you just cant counter ranged just say that
theres so many characters who cant counter that
celest mural
theres so many characters who cant counter that
That cant dodge through it or parry it?
Or simply move out of the way
Or space properly
celest mural
Not while in the attack
gray pollen
attack off timing brah
celest mural
Which again is not necessary
celest mural
I Also Think Unlike Another Character With Long Arms In A Platform Fighter (Min ...
Read this
Yari said it perfectly
Its not bullet fast
And u have to charge it for range
It should be safer
Its already punishable without the hurtbox on it
Just hit the main body
gray pollen
i already said what i think should be changed and i think i said it best ngl
celest mural
If anything ur reliant on hitting his hand which takes less skill
gray pollen
go read above and stop crying bout your main being bad
celest mural
Hit the main body
gray pollen
go make a ticket and go sleep
celest mural
Nah
agile fractal
Yari said it perfectly
Thank You, I’ve Researched A lot Of Stuff In Game Design And I’ve Played Platform Fighters All My Life, Granted I’ve Only Played 2 Franchises Being Smash And Multi But I Still Like Them :3.
celest mural
Im gonna stay right here thanks tho
celest mural
Thank You, I’ve Researched A lot Of Stuff In Game Design And I’ve Played Platfor...
Of course, clearly you have done your research and have a great head on your shoulders
I respect it a lot
gray pollen
if you wanna be a meta slave you have options
celest mural
Nope
agile fractal
I Just Think Jake Deserves To Be Better. They’re Really Fun When You Get Momentum But Attempting To Get It With Your Lack Of Priority Is Near Impossible (Unless You’re In 2v2’s Which Is Debtable.)
Kirby Can Get Momentum In Ultimate With His Moves That Can Quickly Rack Up Damage And His Short Height (Which Even Gives Him A Decent Chance Against Kaz Due To His Crouch Going Under EWGF.) And Fantastic Tilts, Which Results In An Underrated (Although Not Great As Anyone With A Semblance Of Range Has An Advantage Over Him.) Character, Jake Has Nothing And Anything He Could Potentially Have Has No Damage.
gray pollen
yeah exactly
agile fractal
Of course, clearly you have done your research and have a great head on your sho...
Thank You.
celest mural
I Just Think Jake Deserves To Be Better. They’re Really Fun When You Get Momentu...
THIS RIGHT HERE
gray pollen
so you shouldnt just complain abt jake thats what i said
gray pollen
you complained for 5 hours
celest mural
LGD if you dont care go play the game
celest mural
Wait til you get to an actual skill based match making and then see how much u like these nerfs
gray pollen
i dont care how bad he is he is gonna get buffed a bit anyway and its just a fun character in a fun game
gray pollen
if i wanted to be pixel perfect i would migrate to brawlhalla or others
agile fractal
if you wanna be a meta slave you have options
I Just Play Characters I Find Fun. Infact In Smash I Main Kirby And Incineroar. But Jake Just Doesn’t Work With How They Are Now, Both Literally (With Their Up Special.) And Mechanically. It’s Hard To Have Fun Being Punished On What Should Be A Space Tool Being Used Against You. Jake Feels Like A Sword Fighter Visually But Gameplay Wise It’s Dhalsim’s Fursona Having A Bad Day.
celest mural
I Just Play Characters I Find Fun. Infact In Smash I Main Kirby And Incineroar. ...
BINGO
My goodness you are so educated. Thank you so much for showing up
Couldnt of said it better myself
I do the same thing
I play my favorites
gray pollen
I Just Play Characters I Find Fun. Infact In Smash I Main Kirby And Incineroar. ...
yeah , a slight damage buff and skate being longer would make him actually compete with others
agile fractal
No Problem, I Don’t Intend To Take Sides Or Being Unfair. I Just Really Wish Jake Was More Fun.
gray pollen
i think the best bet here is
if he gets punished in the strechy hand
it should mirror the damage he wouldve done
celest mural
Remove the fair and upsmash hurtbox extensions
gray pollen
not the enemy damage
because i get faced with like bugs rocket or sidesig banana guard and i get 20 dmg for no reason
if only the strechy hand had mirrored damage back i would only get like 7 dmg on the trade
equal instead of negative
agile fractal
Remove the fair and upsmash hurtbox extensions
Honestly Yeah, Fixing That, His Up Special Lag (And Cakes Weird Visual Bug With Her Teeth.) And I’d Be Happy.
celest mural
Honestly Yeah, Fixing That, His Up Special Lag (And Cakes Weird Visual Bug With ...
Me too
Remove the unnecessary hurtboxes
Its okay to have range
He has his downsides as it is
And maybe some priority on down special too
And thats literally all he needs
gray pollen
Remove the unnecessary hurtboxes
it could be a good idea but i think then he will just be too strong
he would have the best range in the game
celest mural
it could be a good idea but i think then he will just be too strong
Trust me ur thinking based off the beta
In this meta it wouldnt be
gray pollen
even better than marvin which is literally a ranged champ
celest mural
Think of the endlag
The charge for the range
The move is telegraphed
It can be dodged
And immediately punished if dodged or parried
Or simply out ranged
gray pollen
yeah ok
go make a ticket abt that maybe thats a better idea
but his skate is still useless rn
celest mural
Agreed!!
agile fractal
Is Skate Meant To Be A Combo Tool Or A Damage Racking Tool? Cause It Feels Kinda Weak In Both Of Those.
gray pollen
i think it should be reworked all together
celest mural
Is Skate Meant To Be A Combo Tool Or A Damage Racking Tool? Cause It Feels Kinda...
Its supposed to be a combo move and help with edgeguarding
But its too laggy
agile fractal
Yeah.
celest mural
Yeah.
Well thanks so much for ur amazing feedback
And for that awesome profile pic of cake 🤣
That episode had me dying
agile fractal
No Problem. I Believe It’s Just An Edit Someone Made Online Of Cake Over Jake.
celest mural
Its from the marshall lee episode no?
Ohhhh i see
Thats jake after killing the gladiator ghosts with his legs
agile fractal
Yeah, Somewhere In Season 3 I Believe
Idk It’s Been Years Since I’ve Watched Adventure Time, It’s Over A Decade Old Now.
celest mural
Yeah, Somewhere In Season 3 I Believe
I made a ticket btw i definitely suggest you should make one too
agile fractal
Ticket?
celest mural
Yeah
agile fractal
Uh What’s That?
agile fractal
Oh Thank You.
celest mural
#justice4Jake
unkempt tendon
wait so what happened to jake
celest mural
wait so what happened to jake
No priority, no speed, no damage, no killpower
Really long endlag on down air
Nerfed neutral air and forward air
Added hurtboxes to his fair fist and upsmash axe
celest mural
@unkempt tendon And hes considered a light weight
Thats always been a thing but still doesnt help
open agate
Jake is def better than Jason
Yeah i win all the the time against jason
Jake is still good. He is just not as aggressive as he used to be
open agate
No priority, no speed, no damage, no killpower
He has kill power. I literally kill heavy characters on 50%
celest mural
He has kill power. I literally kill heavy characters on 50%
Only on axe and upair
celest mural
Jake is still good. He is just not as aggressive as he used to be
No hes not “good” hes low mid tier
He has zero priority
open agate
Only on axe and upair
The eat move can too but if high percwntage
celest mural
Hurtboxes on all his limb extensions
open agate
He has zero priority
Wdym
celest mural
Wdym
His moves have no priority
U dont know what priority is in a platform fighter?
celest mural
Thats like one of the most important things
open agate
Well can u explain it to me if u can?
celest mural
Jake may seem good to you, but the experienced players are gonna give him a really rough time
open agate
Jake may seem good to you, but the experienced players are gonna give him a real...
True
I struggle alot when they dont give me space
celest mural
Well can u explain it to me if u can?
So if two characters dish out an attack, the one with more priority lands the hit
open agate
So if two characters dish out an attack, the one with more priority lands the hi...
SO THATS what ive been talking abt i just didnt know what its called
I kept blabbling abt batman having more priority
celest mural
Yeah jake has none of that
He has to constantly evade
And not make any mistakes ever
On high skill level matches, jake is always at a disadvantage
open agate
Jake isnt necessarily bad. U just have to do 20x more work than the enemy and its not worth it
Like morty
celest mural
Jake isnt necessarily bad. U just have to do 20x more work than the enemy and it...
That’s terrible
Thats the definition of a bad character
celest mural
Jake is almost unusable
open agate
They can hit me while being a car??
celest mural
You can still get wins if u work 20x harder
But it shouldnt have to be like that
Thats not balanced
open agate
What is the point then. Isnt that move suppose to ve invincible
open agate
They need to fix him and other characters fr
celest mural
Yeah him and velma need the most buffs
open agate
Bruh. I think beta jake would be balanced in todays mvs
fair heart
his combo game was also insane
he honestly was almost in an automatic advantage state in neutral
vague crest
he's bad but i can't drop him 
celest mural
He would. Bc its slow
That is a good point
cobalt kiln
Morty too he is buggy
Fr, Morty and Jake were my two mains and the beta and gosh did they do em dirty!
On one hand I don’t want to choose a new main because I just really love how the characters used to play, but on the other I feel like I’m just not having much fun with the game right now with all the movement, input delay and hitbox issues that I’m not even sure I’d enjoy a more meta pick…
open agate
Fr, Morty and Jake were my two mains and the beta and gosh did they do em dirty!...
Just ignore competitive
open agate
Ugh my up tilr literally hitted before he even pressed his skill but his registered more
If his priority didnt suck so much he would have been still viable
What were devs doing in the lab
wary sage
they burned the facility down
open agate
I can still do well with jake
I MIGHT have actually won all my games if the last hit did actually had priorities
Like what??
They need to fix him
He iis still a menace to noobs tho
copper pawn
POV i see the jake skin in the battle pass is from one of my least favorite adventure time episodes
agile fractal
I Can't Lie, I Kinda Hate That Skin Lol.
copper pawn
I Can't Lie, I Kinda Hate That Skin Lol.
Same
The skin from Elements where he was ice would be so much better
celest mural
They should add video game jake
From when they went inside bmo to fight sleepy sam the frog
Or jake suit jake
agile fractal
From when they went inside bmo to fight sleepy sam the frog
OMG SO RETRO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Jokes Aside That Would’ve Been Sick.)
lean wave
Or jake suit jake
imagine being able to use jake suit in 2v2s, it would be such a hard mechanic to get into a game but it would be so fun, especially if u could do it with characters other than finn
wary sage
Check <#1009538859417215147> funny jake kills
i do the second one so often
gray pollen
I Can't Lie, I Kinda Hate That Skin Lol.
i love that skin
at least he got great skins unlike others
calico cake is 10/10 btw i would honeslty buy that
agile fractal
i love that skin
Hey, More Power To You Then.
gray pollen
YUHHHHH
celest mural
Stop complaining play the game plz
the point of this channel is to talk about jake
the biggest thing about jake right now is how criminally low tier he is
Critisism is a good thing
it helps improve flaws
For fun yes for meta definitely not
if u want jake for wins hes not ur guy
unless u wana scrape and claw ur way to victory with everything u have
Just know with jake u have to work VERY hard to secure ur wins against high skill players
harder than any character besides velma
celest mural
imagine being able to use jake suit in 2v2s, it would be such a hard mechanic to...
i wish!
clear jackal
the biggest thing about jake right now is how criminally low tier he is
Yah but it doesnt really help anything
The devs know jake is low tier
They are prob working on it
celest mural
Yah but it doesnt really help anything
it does help we are help making it clear
lean wave
Yes he needs buffs but firm it ❤️
nothing will get fixed if we don’t complain, if we sat and didn’t say anything then the devs will think jake is perfectly fine
celest mural
we arent pestering the devs by leaving our thoughts in the channel made for that character
clear jackal
Goat they know 🙏
clear jackal
I have seen nothing that would actually help anyones gameplay in this channel
Thats what i dont like
Call me sosa
celest mural
dig deeper then
clear jackal
Ok
lean wave
I have seen nothing that would actually help anyones gameplay in this channel
yeah and we want that fixed too, but we can’t help any gameplay if the character is in a state where it’s unusable
celest mural
yeah and we want that fixed too, but we can’t help any gameplay if the character...
agreed
lean wave
once jake is fixed then hopefully the chat is alive and active again
clear jackal
yeah and we want that fixed too, but we can’t help any gameplay if the character...
Horrid take ❤️
celest mural
Horrid take ❤️
why are u putting a heart next to a negative statement lol
thats toxic
lean wave
you just don’t have the cranial capacity to deep it my friend 😔
celest mural
you just don’t have the cranial capacity to deep it my friend 😔
Great take ❤️
lean wave
thank you lad ❤️
clear jackal
Wait maybe i misunderstood
clear jackal
yeah and we want that fixed too, but we can’t help any gameplay if the character...
Are you not saying that you cannot improve at a low tier
lean wave
yeah, jake is in a state where you can’t improve whatsoever
clear jackal
Whaaaaaaaaat
lean wave
all good if you misinterpreted it 🙏
unless you are jesus himself then jake is pretty much impossible to use in a high skill matchup
celest mural
They can only take u so far
but a player with the same skill using a better character is going to give you trouble
clear jackal
Well nah 😭
celest mural
Jake needs priority and no hurtbox on his fair/upsmash
celest mural
and less skateboard endlag
lean wave
Thats why you gotta get better
you CANT get better with jake though
not with the state he’s in rn
clear jackal
Mkay i dont agree
lean wave
i have over 600 jake wins and he is pretty much unusable
celest mural
I think you as a player can get better but jake seriously limits ur potential
clear jackal
i have over 600 jake wins and he is pretty much unusable
I have over 1000
agile fractal
Being Low Tier Doesn’t Inherently Mean They Can’t Be Experimented With. Kirby In Ultimate Is A Good Example (Although I’d Personally Say He’s Bottom Of Mid And A lot Of Japanese Players Think That Too.) His Copy Abilities Allow A lot Of Different Ways To Interact With The Game And Situations Even If It’s Limited To Neutral Specials. Jake On Paper Has That With His Sair, Neutral Special, And Skateboard But They’re Too Laggy Or Too Unsafe. And Unlike Kirby Who Has Speed And A Short Height So You Can Win By Being Better Then The Opponent With Only A Mild Struggle. Jake Has To Fight For His Life To Even Do 40 Percent.
Kirby Is A Great Starter Character That If You (Regrettably Unless You’re A Die-Hard Fan) Stay With, Gives You A Surprising Amount To Learn, And I Think Jake Will Too If They Buff His Priority And His Down Air.
Oh Also Kirby’s Inhale Is Too Laggy But Ultimates Never Gonna Fix That And It’s Not Important To The Conversation.
clear jackal
Yes yariyuki
lean wave
I have over 1000
so surely you should agree he is terrible rn
clear jackal
Go off king
clear jackal
so surely you should agree he is terrible rn
Yeah he terrible
agile fractal
Jake Really Needs Buff’s.
clear jackal
But you can still improve w him
celest mural
what yari said is right
clear jackal
I think you as a player can get better but jake seriously limits ur potential
Yeah this is exactly what im saying
lean wave
you can improve with him yes, but not to the point where you can matchup with top 50 harley players or top 50 buggs players
clear jackal
Eh honestly i disagree
agile fractal
I Love Playing Them And I Love Them Conceptually (I Also Like Cake As A Character.) But Improving In Them Is Insanely Limited Due To Their Creative Options Not Being Good Enough.
lean wave
I think you as a player can get better but jake seriously limits ur potential
^^^ facts
lean wave
you can but not to a noticeable degree
you’re still gonna get gripped up 9/10 matchups
lean wave
that’s what i mean by jake is useless rn, yeah you can improve but it’s still not gonna help you as much as if he would get buffed
lean wave
true 😈😈
clear jackal
Guys you gotta be more positive
clear jackal
i hardly ever use the bite move
Ok that explains alot
Bite is lowkey his best move imo
Maybe sair
lean wave
it’s too hard to pull off, way too much risk for little reward
clear jackal
it’s too hard to pull off, way too much risk for little reward
Nah goat
So many setups
Jab bite
Nair bite
Sair bite
lean wave
i’ll keep that in mind, thanks lad 🙏
clear jackal
Nw
lean wave
he feels so much different with the movement nerf too
clear jackal
Sair bite is only good at lower percent
clear jackal
he feels so much different with the movement nerf too
Yeah he do feel different
You gotta play him different
lean wave
he’s so much slower and it doesn’t help that his axe/stretch punch have a hitbox now
clear jackal
Yeah you do have to firm that unfortunately
lean wave
you can’t really play agressive with jake anymore
clear jackal
Icl you have to play mixup
You have to zone, but then commit to any minute opportunity you get
Thats how you play jake
At least for me
lean wave
he just feels super washed, he shouldn’t take this much planning and preparation to play
lean wave
At least for me
yeah that’s fair, everyone has their play styles
i just miss when jake did more damage, it’s a lot harder to be agressive and to zone when there’s no risk from being hit with his attacks
agile fractal
At least for me
Which Is Very Valid But Why Not Take Extra Buff’s To Allow More Playstyles And Ways To Play Jake? He (Or She If You Use Cake.) Can Stretch And Transform Into Anything, It Makes Sense That Their Playstyle Could Flex Into Different Options Like The One You’re Describing And A More Aggressive Style To Allow A Creative And Expressive Way To Play The Character.
Idk Though, I Don’t Intend To Sound Rude, I Just Think Such A Fun Moveset Shouldn’t Be Limited To One Style.
lean wave
^^^^ best take i’ve heard, jake is such an amazing character for a game like this because of his endless potential, the state he’s in right now just ruins and wastes it all, if you’re gonna play jake then you’re limited to a single play style and it gets boring and easy to counter after a while
clear jackal
Which Is Very Valid But Why Not Take Extra Buff’s To Allow More Playstyles And ...
Yeah opbviously buff
I've been saying he needs buffs
agile fractal
Thank You. I Don’t Mean To Invalidate That One Playstyle, I Just Think It Would Be Fitting For Jake To Take Different Options For Their Playstyle, While Also Being More Fun, And Grow A Bigger Of Jake Players. I Really Enjoy Hearing Your Take On The Character Though Naxx
clear jackal
But still right now i think you are able to outplay and have fun with jake
agile fractal
Fair, I Like Doing That In Games With Characters I Care About, But Jake (Atleast In My Opinion.) Feels Too Punishing, But Hey, If You Can Pop Off With Them. Then You Love To See More Jake Rep. 🧡
Props To You Honestly.
clear jackal
Ty
clear jackal
Nah its cool lol
weary mural
Got a combo/montage video coming out for jake. Hopefully it can show some potential for the character. I think he will be really good with just a few changes
agile fractal
Got a combo/montage video coming out for jake. Hopefully it can show some potent...
Thank You Sm.
weary mural
Lmk when its out
i got you :3
ashen echo
I think you as a player can get better but jake seriously limits ur potential
the problem is his shittyy hitbox and ludicrous hurtboxes, if they fix that jake is unstopable
agile fractal
the problem is his shittyy hitbox and ludicrous hurtboxes, if they fix that jake...
I Know This Is A Separate Game But If Someone Like Min Min Can Exist In A Game And They Have Really Good Defensive Options, Faster Frame Data, And Ways To Counter Zoning Back And Still Doesn’t Even Make It To Top Tier. Then Jake Can Have Useable Hitboxes And Slightly Faster Frame Data.
ashen echo
i lost about 10 matches now because at my last life when i went to punch out my opponent he punched back at the same time and we traded and i lost
celest mural
i lost about 10 matches now because at my last life when i went to punch out my ...
exactly why u shouldnt be punished by having ur ranged as ur hurtbox
take the hurtbox off fair
celest mural
I Know This Is A Separate Game But If Someone Like Min Min Can Exist In A Game A...
no but the princible holds true here. it wouldnt make him OP
thats a great point
ashen echo
i could make a compilation of that happening to me but its a 4 hours video and i dont feel like fishing for those moments
celest mural
i believe that lol
its unfair tbh
jake should have a ranged advantage
without a hurtbox on it
agile fractal
Bro Im Just Asking For Essentially Chicken Wings On The Table For Jake And I’d Be Happy Lol.
celest mural
i could see in theory how that could be balanced but it isnt
jake isnt a heavy character
he isnt a fast character
so he SHOULD have his range
hes not even small or hard to hit
ashen echo
yea he's at that medium stature with most characters
and yet he's REPULSIVELY easy to punish
he shoulnd't be so easy to punish
copper pawn
Going back to the skin discussion, I think jake in the robe from together again would be great
inland urchin
jake's skate feels so trash now
i just miss his old one
deals no damage and no knockup
cosmic meadow
such a small window too
inland urchin
high risk low reward is a great game design
cosmic meadow
hell yeah
celest mural
Make tickets
fresh rapids
I want to like Jake since he's a very nostalgic character for me
But man he's kind of ass to play
surreal bobcat
should've killswitched jake too and given him some emergency buffs 😦
celest mural
For pc players, do any of you use a hall effect controller?
agile fractal
I Just Use A Switch Pro Controller Connected To My Laptop Through A USB.
brittle sphinx
Buff Jake
brittle sphinx
Hey what controller/dead zone settings do you use just curious
Default
brittle sphinx
Also what controller?
Ps5
Idk much about the dead zone stuff I just played
All I customized was char colors
celest mural
How did you get ranked so highly
brittle sphinx
How did you get ranked so highly
Playing
brittle sphinx
How many jake wins?
Like 1,300 or close to
scarlet nacelle
For pc players, do any of you use a hall effect controller?
i do, why?
open agate
it does help we are help making it clear
True. If we dont give feedback he will forever suck
Tho I still do combos with jake
U need to keep distance by using sair
When im in the lead i just kirby them haha
He is still hard to deal with since he has alot of dmg
agile fractal
True, I Hope I Don’t Come Off As Spammy Or Overly Negative But Jake Is Such A Fun Character Held Back By Small Stuff, And I Usually Play Characters Like That (Kirby Has One Of The Slowest Command Grabs In The Game, Even Bowser’s Side Special Is Faster.) So Being Able To Voice And Seeing A Character Improve And Be Better Makes Me Feel Happy, Especially Knowing That It Helps Multiple People.
open agate
True, I Hope I Don’t Come Off As Spammy Or Overly Negative But Jake Is Such A Fu...
True like check #clips jake is still gud but its all abt havin fun
agile fractal
Yeah.
open agate
Mann i did that to him like 2 matches already
Whats the combo u do with jake?
I think instead of complaining i think its time to do whats the best thing u can do with jake
Maybe some other way it can still help other people
agile fractal
I Mean, I Just Ain’t Even Playing Him Right Now, He Doesn’t Feel Satisfying To Play To Me Rn.
open agate
I actually find him satisfying
They always fall for the axe
Sair dash then charged axe
agile fractal
I actually find him satisfying
You Love To See It.
open agate
If they do dash u can just chase them again
Skateboard then eat is still working
Sair dash nair then eat also still works
Axe covers alot
Especially as a edge guaridng tool
U can try harder than ur opponents but mechanically jake is easy
agile fractal
Yeah I Mean I Suppose But That’s Not Really The Issue Imo, I’ll Still Try To Experiment With Them Again But I Just Hope They Get Some Buff’s.
open agate
They actually can have a hard time approaching jake
My only problem with jake is the literal no priority in his movesets
agile fractal
Honestly Yeah That’s My Massive Issue, It Damages The Character Too Much.
open agate
Yeah i Hit him first before he even used a move but somehow i get hit first
agile fractal
Honestly I Know I Suggested Other Things But If They Fix That, I Probably Will Just Consistently Play The Character.
open agate
If u attack both at the same time he will always lose the trade
But his kill is actually good
He can kill at 50 to 80% consistently
open agate
Btw his lag on his up special helps me sometimes hahaha bc the enemey gets confused alot
celest mural
depends on the skills of both players
but jake has zero priority
and hurtboxes in all his moves
open agate
He is bad. But u can still do good
celest mural
Jake is objectively a bad character right now
agile fractal
He can kill at 50 to 80% consistently
Up Air Right?
celest mural
and needs balancing
open agate
Up Air Right?
Up air and up tilt
agile fractal
Also I Checked The Velma Channel And I Find It Funny That They’re Asking For Buff’s Like Us.
open agate
Check morty too
But atleast morty players are still giving advice
Its not abt wether the character is bad, good
Look theres alot of characters out there that is good
But whats the point of a op broken character if its boring
Just have fun no need to discourage people
Anyways jake vs raindog matchup is kinda hard to deal with
agile fractal
True Though, I Just Have No Idea About Advice Apart From Just Combo’s And Hope People Don’t Hit Your Limbs. It Feels Super Hopeless.
agile fractal
Anyways jake vs raindog matchup is kinda hard to deal with
How So? Never Saw A Rein Online.
(Might Get Them Though, They Seem Fun.)
open agate
How So? Never Saw A Rein Online.
If they spam their projectiles all the time
agile fractal
Had a Feeling, Projectiles Are Painful For Jake Lol.
open agate
Its hard to deal with considering all ur ranged attacks have hurt hitbox like jake's sair so u get hurt
So it gets hard to zone them
agile fractal
Yeah, Maybe You’d Need To Try To Fight Up Close Then? Idk.
open agate
True Though, I Just Have No Idea About Advice Apart From Just Combo’s And Hope P...
For axe honestky for edgeguaridng i turn the other way where my axe isnt on the ledge
On the startup
agile fractal
For axe honestky for edgeguaridng i turn the other way where my axe isnt on the ...
Smart, You Love To See It.
open agate
I actually do well with good harleys. They get so annoyed at ur sair zoning they will spam the slide moves
Whats gud abt jake is u cant underestimate him. If he caughts u off guard ur dead easily
agile fractal
Yeah That’s Something I Noticed, No Shame To Any Harley Players But They Always Play Really Samey To Me, Kinda Like A Flowchart.
open agate
Yeah That’s Something I Noticed, No Shame To Any Harley Players But They Always ...
U can do down attack but its hard to time it
Axe then up air is gud too
Its not like they can punish u when u missed it
Just know if its not gonna work and wait for them down and then axe again haha
ashen echo
True like check <#1009538859417215147> jake is still gud but its all abt havin ...
swallowing people and throwing yourself into the blast zone?, you have to do that evertime you have 2 points and them 1, its what i do
its the easiest way to guarantee wins
i also once ate both my opponents in a match when we had two points so when i threw myself out of the map we instantly won lol
celest mural
what determines whether they can escape the bite before jumping off with them
is it time based?
or can they mash too
idle elk
How bout you freaks combo somebody instead of eating then walking off stage💀
scarlet nacelle
With no power comes no responsibility
weary mural
Jake combo vid is out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihqyla0x5Ow
dreamy pier
allright, we must talk about jake seriusly
it's bad
his combos are slow and easy to dodge
the skateboard now is totally useless
the down special too
the bite is too OP. you can just...eat someone and sacrifice yourself to take a free kill
nothing of him is balanced
weary mural
Think he needs a few changes. Maybe some disjoints on fair and utilt. Maybe down special priority/armor. With that I think he's fine in the meta.
Jab Dtilt is really consistent at low percents and can lead into bite. If you check out the combo vid above you can see me spamming it lol
celest mural
Think he needs a few changes. Maybe some disjoints on fair and utilt. Maybe down...
This and down air improvements
weary mural
This and down air improvements
yea they can def make it more active
celest mural
His fair and upsmash need disjoints so bad
We have no way to clear hazards safely as jake
You can not remove tom and jerrys cheese trap without taking the hit
If you fair it, ur hurtbox gets thrown into it
agile fractal
I’ve Talked About My Issues With Jake A lot So I Feel Like I’ve Gotten My Point Across Personally, I Don’t Want To Be Negative.
hard arch
I love Jake, I want him to be my main, but I'm wondering what's a good alternative character until they rebalance him a bit?
frigid steeple
I love Jake, I want him to be my main, but I'm wondering what's a good alternati...
Marvin
vital sonnet
hopefully jake’s fixed patch notes saying they fixed the up and down special
celest mural
Please tell me it does
vital sonnet
Wym
violet laurel
warra change
celest mural
Never mind i read it wrong
wary sage
its so over
agile fractal
hopefully jake’s fixed patch notes saying they fixed the up and down special
They Fixed His Up Special, That Is All. I Understand Why People Might Be Upset But Like, It’s Like A Team Of 16 Coders So Like It Makes Sense, It’s Just Small Buff’s Compared To Lagging The Game And Crashing People So I Understand Their Priorities.
wary sage
and thank god they put the banana guard damage to 10 from 12 yay
celest mural
and thank god they put the banana guard damage to 10 from 12 yay
They buffed him?
wary sage
damn they didn't give velma nothing
celest mural
Was the game sped up at all in this patch?
wary sage
no
but the hit pause was lowered by 10%
in 1v1 only for some reason
so i guess less combos are possible now?
kinda mid changes
better then nothing i suppose
celest mural
8 days to receive changes is really good tho
Im happy if this continues
Patches almost weekly would be fantastic
royal scroll
did they fix the hit and hurt boxes yet or nah
celest mural
did they fix the hit and hurt boxes yet or nah
I dont think so
Just up special (stretch) was changed
And it was just to prevent crashing
wary sage
bro the xp system is so useless
10 xp per win
200 games for 1 level
what is this
😭
surreal bobcat
no buffs for Jake 😭
safe falcon
It's so good to be able to stretch again though, oh my god.
People aren't used to it so you can really catch 'em off guard.
hard arch
Jake feels a little faster now, though maybe it's just me.
deep leaf
It's *so* good to be able to stretch again though, oh my god.
on god i can finally play normally
safe falcon
Jake feels a little faster now, though maybe it's just me.
The skateboard feels a little smoother, but I might just have gotten used to it.
wheat blade
jake is still bad and slow
deep leaf
does skateboard have priority on A SINGULAR MOVE!??!
cuz its sure as hell feels like he does not
agile fractal
Jake Has Like No Priority In General Lol.
plush abyss
jake still bottom tier
clear jackal
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
deep leaf
Jake Has Like No Priority In General Lol.
yuh but skateborad is incredibly awful
clear jackal
Guys jake stretch doesnt kill frames anymore
deep leaf
Guys jake stretch doesnt kill frames anymore
finally
clear jackal
I dont think this was really meant to balance
celest mural
only upspecial was changed to stop lagging the game
clear jackal
More a bugfix
celest mural
yeah
deep leaf
WB games are jakes biggest haters
safe falcon
I mean to be fair, actually being able to stretch is a pretty good boost to how he was.
I swear I hit the down air more often but I might just have gotten used to the jank.
deep leaf
I mean to be fair, actually being able to stretch is a pretty good boost to how ...
WB doing the bare minimum cuz if you try to play the character the game crashes for other people who play characters WB actually like
safe falcon
WB doing the bare minimum cuz if you try to play the character the game crashes ...
The game crashes so often on it's own that it was hard to tell what was Jake and what was the game just being bad. To be fair though, I almost never run into other Jakes.
deep leaf
yeah thats fair played for a fair bit today and my game still crashed a few times
safe falcon
I'm still being desynched from around 3 of every 5 matches.
wary sage
My game only crashes when I try to open the store sometimes
safe falcon
Looks like the store finally got rid of that strange blank spot in the fighter section.
gray pollen
honestly for me it doesnt desync at all anymore
vital sonnet
jake isn’t fixed and probably won’t match up to half the other fighters for a long time rip
bronze linden
jake isn’t fixed and probably won’t match up to half the other fighters for a lo...
Damn
safe falcon
honestly for me it doesnt desync at all anymore
Desynch and connection issues have different error messages, so I assume that's not on my end and is a problem with the game.
unkempt tendon
did the patch do something to jake
agile fractal
Made His Up Special Not Lag The Game
open agate
Atleast i can combo with the up special now
I mean i always use this combo but its not true. Sair, dash ,nair, eat or I just mix up random things after a sair
Jake is gonna cook the meta soon. His combo potential is still big if they fix his priority
lime cobalt
They cooked Jake man good lord, his sair is still amazing but god is it agonizing to use it without being punished
cobalt kiln
I had access to the offline beta still on my Playstation today and messed around with the old characters for a bit, but my damn Playstation just started downloading the full release when I quit 😢
Going to need to find a way to access older versions of the game because it was awesome being able to compare characters between versions
wary sage
i can't be nice to people i gave a homie stock and my game crashed 😭
brittle sphinx
How bout you freaks combo somebody instead of eating then **walking off stage**�...
Black Adam can fly.
hard arch
Are there any strategies against characters like LeBron and Rick who just dodge away and smash you from a distance? I mean, apart from run off the edge and hope to get a better match up next time?
rustic iron
i can't be nice to people i gave a homie stock and my game crashed 😭
I gave someone a homie stock after I realized they were afk and when they were back they salted me??
ppl are so weird man
idle elk
I think its you being weirded out by an emote. Its pixels above some more pixels
hard arch
I've been giving toast to everyone post-game just because, why not. Now I'm out of toast.
especially giving toast to 1v1 opponents, those matches are grueling.
ashen echo
WHERE, IS THE F*CKING, JAKE BUFF
HE'S SO GARBAGE AGAINST ANYONE THAT KNOW'S HOW TO DODGE OR PARRY
hard arch
yeah, I feel bad taking him into multiplayer now, it's sandbagging my teammate too much
ashen echo
basically ALL his attacks have an STUPID amount of endlag, HES A LITERAL NPC to fight against , everything on his kit is so f*cking easy to punish its A JOKE
I JUST went against a joker and the only attacks i could ever punish from him was his slide, ballon and his side combo, NOTHING else
hard arch
as soon as Ranked launches, they'll have a lot of data on how the characters compare and will hopefully start balancing them better.
ashen echo
everyone is faster than jake and EVEN JASON is EASIER to punish, F*CK
hard arch
Sapo, try a matchup against a good Rick player, you won't be able to even get close to them.
ashen echo
F*ck jake bro, i have 500 wins on him, god have mercy on the jakes that had 1k plus wins on him, they mauled him
ashen echo
Sapo, try a matchup against a good Rick player, you won't be able to even get cl...
everyone that ranges is impossible to win against
that's gizmo
black adam
morty
marvin
hard arch
LeBron
ashen echo
jake counters lebron
hard arch
really? I've only seen one LeBron player, and I was playing as WW at the time, I assumed the issues would be the same
ashen echo
but seriously jake's state rn is INFURIATING
i played multiversus because of jake and iron giant, and i cant have BOTH
tawdry pasture
I truly miss the old beta Jake, man hits like a wet noodle now with an era of WWs and Harleys
ashen echo
I truly miss the old beta Jake, man hits like a wet noodle now with an era of WW...
literally 80% of the roster negs diff a jake
i went against a top 1 jake from the beta these days who had 10 thousand wins, AND NOT EVEN HIM WAS STANDING IT
HE SUCKED just as MUCH as me
hard arch
WW is my other main, and Harley gives her trouble. Harley's just ridiculous against everyone
ashen echo
his morty was carrying his ass
ashen echo
WW is my other main, and Harley gives her trouble. Harley's just ridiculous agai...
wdym she's a god on ground and a god in air
tawdry pasture
Both are ridiculous.
ashen echo
it's funny because they murdered the characters who were already weak in the beta like jake, but characters who were destroying the game like superman, wonder woman, AND FINN, ARE STILL UNSUFFERABLE
hard arch
@ashen echo I'm not that great a player, okay?
tawdry pasture
Finn isn't as cracked as them, honestly. Finn is good but not WW good.
ashen echo
Finn isn't as cracked as them, honestly. Finn is good but not WW good.
Finn has a 0 to death combo who even a player who just started playing can do
his NAIR is busted as f*ck, it drags you and finn to the other side of the map and gives him a free up special to land on you
he can keep doing that until you die
ashen echo
Finn isn't as cracked as them, honestly. Finn is good but not WW good.
finn also has an armor breaking move that GOES FOWARD, he can break WW's armor easily and beat the shite out of her
literally NOTHING, on jake gives him advantage, and if you say his dair is good, JUST DODGE Inwards it, AND he will be completely vulnerable to anything you do next
better yet just parry it, his move screams ''parry it'' more than anything on this game
strange cedar
Coming from a Jake main with 1,300+ wins, I can confirm he's still good but very slow and harder to use
ashen echo
Coming from a Jake main with 1,300+ wins, I can confirm he's still good but very...
you're wrong for saying ''still'' cuz they removed the features that made him good on the beta
he's good against mid players
go against someone that know's spacing, dodge and parry
strange cedar
you're wrong for saying ''still'' cuz they removed the features that made him go...
Features? Like what?
strange cedar
go against someone that know's spacing, dodge and parry
And yes I admit in a pro game he isnt top tier, but he isn't bad. Plus they didn't mess with him this new update thankfully
celest mural
And yes I admit in a pro game he isnt top tier, but he isn't *bad*. Plus they di...
As a character he is bad, you are just good
Theres a difference
Ur making a bad character work because of ur skill over ur opponents
But thats not balanced
He needs some work to make him more balanced
quasi drift
ashen echo
As a character he is bad, you are just good
and he certainly wins by cheesing the whole game too
there's no other way
agile fractal
Yeah Like I’d Love To Come Up With A lot Of Theory Crafting And Stuff Because I Like Playing Characters I Care About And Pushing Them To Their Limit But Like, It Doesn’t Feel Worth It. Idk If It’s A Multiversus Thing But It Doesn’t Feel Like Any Of The Characters I Play That Aren’t Atleast Above Average (Marvin In 1’s Or Jake.) Are Worth Pushing. Maybe I Don’t Care Enough? Idk.
safe falcon
Does the bouncing house perk actually work? I feel like even with it equippd the house hasn't bounced when it hits the ground.
ashen echo
Does the bouncing house perk actually work? I feel like even with it equippd the...
its so much of a underated aka useless perk that nobody ever even paid attention to it
safe falcon
I think if they changed it to just make the down special in general bounce instead of just one of it's options it might see more use. '
It was fun to catch people off guard with it when it worked.
celest mural
Does the bouncing house perk actually work? I feel like even with it equippd the...
U have to not hold down before u touch the ground
It only bounces one time too
gray pollen
Guys i will remind you its better to make a ticket and tell them what to buff instead of complaining in chat
lean wave
I think its you being weirded out by an emote. Its pixels above some more pixels
not necessarily, it IS pixels but it’s the context and meaning of those pixels
wary sage
i love it when my arm clearly isn't there and when the opponent hits the air i get hit and killed ❤️
vital sonnet
game ruined half the characters and made it so if you don’t play the meta ur fked lol
open agate
Up special is so gud. U can make a true combo with it. Up air first phase then up special then up air
Is guaranteed
cosmic meadow
let's say it's last stock, I eat the opponent and jump off, do I win :?
cosmic meadow
damn
wary sage
you win
cosmic meadow
gotch
ngl I find myself using bite a lot more than in beta
since Jake has beta dmg you have to try and finesse
wary sage
did your timer run out?
wary sage
damn that never happened to me
agile fractal
game ruined half the characters and made it so if you don’t play the meta ur fke...
Litterally, It’s Such A Shame. I Feel Like Maybe The Reason You Have To Play The Meta Is That There Aren’t As Many Options To Take When Fighting? I’d Argue It Feels Even Simpler Than Smash With The Routes You Can Take With Fighting.
wary sage
how can a person stoop so low that they choose to play banana guard
lean wave
game ruined half the characters and made it so if you don’t play the meta ur fke...
yeah the games died/dying already, all the characters are ass except the same meta characters that haven’t been nerfed since beta launch (harley and buggs.)
gray pollen
how can a person stoop so low that they choose to play banana guard
even banana guard is better
he does 20 dmg on side sig jake does 8
insane
celest mural
@brittle sphinx how many players are left now
rustic iron
Do u use analog sticks or dpad
keyboard and mouse
💀
im singlehandedly bringing up jakes winrate right now though
agile fractal
on god im gonna keep playing cake
Why?
agile fractal
Sick.
celest mural
keyboard and mouse
I beg ur pardon 💀
celest mural
Am i the only jake main that uses analog sticks for movement 🤣
celest mural
Everyone swears by the d pad
But how do you angle jakes forward air without the stick
rustic iron
wasd
rustic iron
not with multiversus
in my experience
for something like smash melee yeah
i've had great success with mouse and keyboard
cinder pawn
guys jake is good ur all just trash
agile fractal
Am i the only jake main that uses analog sticks for movement 🤣
I Use Stick Too.
celest mural
guys jake is good ur all just trash
Okay farris lol
celest mural
i play jake
Cool
thorn zenith
Jake is no fun at all.
Jake is always countered due to his punch counting as a hitbox, so even if you land your shot, its nullified since someone pressed a button.
Jake cannot do any combos whatsoever, sure he can make up for it with his damage POTENTIAL, but half the time he's outwitted with speed that is beyond his own.
Jake is by far the most creative character, but half of his moves aren't used since there isn't much use for any of them except for the axe, his belly bump, and the stretchy punch. Even then, 90% of his moves are outweighed tenfold by other characters.
Jake can come close to winning, but only close. His damage and slow windups aren't enough to keep up with literal tanks that can do his job way better.
I was in the top 10 Jake players, and all I have to say Multiversus, what have you done?
celest mural
Jake is no fun at all.
Jake is always countered due to his punch counting as a ...
Nearly perfectly said
thorn zenith
Nearly perfectly said
I understand the Skateboard nerf, but why is everything else just... slow?
celest mural
No idea
For me, just remove hurtboxes from his fair and upsmash
Make downair faster (less lag)
Give priority to down special
Thats all i need to be happy
Jake has no safe options
His fair is always a risk due to you throwing a free hurtbox to ur enemy
wary sage
and i might be the only player who uses keyboard and mouse
nope i do too
deep leaf
nope i do too
wow
cosmic meadow
samez
wary sage
so hows everyone's top dog challenge going
muted lance
I am being outscored by 20,000+ points.
lime cobalt
I am being outscored by 20,000+ points.
Ha try 60k
open agate
True combo for jake for 0 to death is up air once, up special then double up air thats guaeantee
agile fractal
True combo for jake for 0 to death is up air once, up special then double up air...
FOR REAL? THERE IS NO WAY THATS TRUE RIGHT?
celest mural
True combo for jake for 0 to death is up air once, up special then double up air...
Pretty sure this isnt 100% true
celest mural
True combo for jake for 0 to death is up air once, up special then double up air...
And is this only when a long upspecial is available or does it work on upspecial cooldown too
rustic iron
god i hate what they did to him
rustic iron
Pretty sure this isnt 100% true
it's not
it depends on the angle
it might be true
its 150% not a 0 to death tho lol
except MAYBE on very light characters
i just tested it, you can DI out of it
celest mural
i just tested it, you can DI out of it
I knew it
open agate
Pretty sure this isnt 100% true
Its true
It works for me everytime even for good players
Ah
Mahbe im just good
Still its good for early game if u have a hard time hitting ur up special
I only do it straight
open agate
i just tested it, you can DI out of it
Tbf if they do just juggle them again. Since they used their dodge
Ill try it later
celest mural
Mahbe im just good
Pretty sure i was able to D.I. Out of it
cosmic meadow
damn giving Jake so many hurtboxes couldn't have been any worse