The Iron Giant

[rich vigil]

Based off the trailer alone how do y'all think Beetlejuice will do into Iron Giant

[shy shore]

its not looking good for giant...

i feel like its gonna be another losing MU

[rich vigil]

He looks like he's gonna mostly be an up close combo character

And it doesn't look like he'll have too much range

I think it'll be more manageable than the other new characters like Jack and Joker

[abstract python]

I think itll be fine but I need to see how that 1/3 freeze works

if its smth he has to land 3 times and its got a hitbox giant struggles with like Joker cane then it could be an issue

[uncut bronze]

it doesn't look like too bad of a matchup but ig we'll see

[floral turret]

Here comes another Iron Giant nerfs on August 20

[knotty perch]

surprise move they actually buff him

[rich vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-eye-dont-give-me-hope-clint-barton-avengers-gif-14260447

[uncut bronze]

i have a feeling they wont even touch him

he has the lowest winrate in the game rn somehow

[shy shore]

i thought iron giant was pretty solid though?

[rancid sleet]

lmao not anymore

they practically beat him to a pulp

[shy shore]

:(

[rancid sleet]

he’s good in 2v2s

but 1v1s and quite literally anything else he’s garbage at

I have no idea why people put him in S

he’s a C

[shy shore]

is he still viable in 1v1s though?

[uncut bronze]

he's like low A tier in 1s imo

[shy shore]

like, bad but can still work?

[shy shore]

i can take that

do you think its a good idea to learn ig as a beginner

[uncut bronze]

like he works but a few matchups are either very hard or bordering impossible

and a lot of characters have loops on him just bc of the hitstun changes

[shy shore]

but you have burst right? or is that not usable during hitstun

[uncut bronze]

you pretty much get one burst per stock now, its on like a 49 second cooldown

so you can get out of one combo and if you get put back in the loop then rip ig

[shy shore]

if only di got stronger the longer you were comboed

or burst cooldown would regen quicker

[uncut bronze]

i mean they nerfed burst cooldown twice in a row, i dont think they're making it better ever again

they need to adjust the hitstun on the moves that are doing these loops like TnJ paddle looping needs to be nerfed

[shy shore]

i guess so, it kinda just becomes a game of who-hits-who-first in a way, but the fact that your hitbox is twice your size is definitely something

take what i say with a grain of salt though, i literally started playing this game like... 2 days ago

[abstract python]

Hes a gimmick character now in true fashion

u either loop him to kingdom come or u die at 30

I think theyre gonna change him but it might not be nothing but nerfs this time

especially if they do smth about the blast zones

[shy shore]

so from what ive heard

hes bad and good at the same time?

[abstract python]

hes top 10

so more on the good side

[shy shore]

but..?

[abstract python]

but he has awful matchups

[shy shore]

ah

[abstract python]

and can straight up lose off minimal interactions the same way he wins off them

[primal oak]

I stand by the idea of adding more large characters and putting them in their own mode

[shy shore]

based

[shy shore]

so

[primal oak]

Stop making me fight this guy 😭

[shy shore]

like, hes good, but

[abstract python]

hes good in every wrong way possible

[shy shore]

ah

i have no idea what that means

like, unfair?

too punishing for both sides?

[abstract python]

do u play snash by any chance

smash

[shy shore]

no but i play brawlhalla

if that helps

and ive seen a bit of smash here and there

[abstract python]

its hard to explain

do u know what a snowball character is

thats what Giant is

[shy shore]

i do yes

[abstract python]

yeah hes essentially that

he loses off very minimal interactions in his bad matchups but he also kills off minimal interactions in most matchups

[shy shore]

so its easy to keep ig out, but if you make a single mistake it all kind of stacks up

[abstract python]

the ratio is skewed in his favor

[abstract python]

yeah pretty much

[shy shore]

thats so funny

im gonna main this guy

peak grappler to be able to get bullied 2/3rds in the game only to hit them once and carry them to the blast zone

[abstract python]

hes barely even a grappler anymore is the worst of it

his grab is his worst move by far

[shy shore]

yeah thats the issue, i wish his grab went faster or had armor maybe

and also probably something to deal with projectiles

[abstract python]

it has armor near the very end which is kinda useless

[shy shore]

so either way its like... pretty much gonna be one sided most of the time

[shy shore]

i saw yeah, if only it started further

[abstract python]

not always but it is the norm yeah

[shy shore]

also by the way, what does his bolts do exactly?

is it just for gray health (what does gray health even do?)

[abstract python]

its gray health but giant has a special property with jt

or used to at least

we dont know what theyre gonna do this upcoming patch but it used to have thorns

[shy shore]

okay but what does it do though

is it just temporary health

[abstract python]

yeah

[shy shore]

no armor or anything?

wouldve been cool if you took damage but if that damage didnt take out all the gray health it would ignore hitstun or something

[rich vigil]

Except for Iron Giant's hurtbox is larger than his hitbox (except for Jab 2, that hibox is busted)

[rich vigil]

I really just dont see how a character with a 36% winrate can be top 10. It just doesn't make sense.

[abstract python]

Its cuz bums that think hes easy wins hop on and lose

Winrate dont mean much

Velma got the highest

[rich vigil]

Yeah but that's because to play Velma you have to better than most

Iron Giant went from a consistent 50+ winrate to 36

That's actually insane

I'm not saying he's not viable

I'm just saying I don't think he's top 10

[floral turret]

nah

[high wind]

he has 41% w/r in 2's and 35% in 1's according to tracker. they might actually buff him

[shy shore]

praying for command grab buffs rn

[high wind]

they might buff the weight they nerfed.

[shy shore]

i thought he was already pretty heavy

[high wind]

not as good as before

[shy shore]

also is there an updated iron giant guide somewhere i could use

[rich vigil]

Yeah it's called the iron giant discord

There's a bunch of clips in stuff in there

[shy shore]

oh damn theres an iron giant discord

ill go and try to find the link to that, thank you

[rich vigil]

I'll dm it to you

[shy shore]

appreciate it

where do you usually find it though

is it here somewhere in this server

[rich vigil]

Had someone in here invite me lol

No it's a separate server from this one

It's unofficial

[shy shore]

ahh gotcha

[shy shore]

Anyone willing to drop a link for the iron giant discord?

[shy shore]

yo ill dm ya what he sent me

[light thicket]

Yo can I get a link to the discord to homies

[shy shore]

Ty ty

[shy shore]

have you been sent it cuz i can

[abstract python]

Someone drop me it too lowk

[shy shore]

i gotchu

im surprised you dont have it

[dim carbon]

Gonna learn iron giant any good guides or any tips?

[dim carbon]

Could I also get it?

[shy shore]

sure one sec

[lone flume]

I feel like they Nerfed iron giant way to far

[warm skiff]

Nah

[primal oak]

He’s like a who hits who first situation

Especially with light characters

Cause they can combo tf out of him

But like 5 stray hits and you’re dead

This is MVS not a souls game put this mf in his own mode

[abstract python]

I feel like IG is in a spot where they shouldnt do anything with him and instead focus on changing the game itself

half the reason hes good is because he abuses the jank

take away stuff like super close blast zones and then tweak him if needed

[rancid sleet]

there’s no way that they can “fix” iron giant without making him smaller and atp just remove him from the game

I like the idea of giant characters

Godzilla needs to be added

[mint python]

i dont know why people think iron giant is an unfixable mess,just give him his weight and burst back so he doesnt get infinited all the time and extend the blast zones wich every character can abuse but iron giant especially

[shy shore]

or if the issue is that hes so big he gets inf comboed, why not just give him (or everyone) more power over their DI the longer theyre in a combo? brawlhalla does that in a way and it works well

[rich vigil]

You know, I don't got a problem being combo food. It makes sense with a character that big. But it does feel ridiculous sometimes that almost every single character can just put you in the blender and outside of bolts there's not much to be done about it

[shy shore]

exactly why i really think ig should have something that isnt so limited (burst) to help with that

like more di

that makes sense right?

[rich vigil]

Or maybe make it where he doesn't bounce off the ground twice after literally any hit

[uncut bronze]

ground bouncing is so unnecessarily strong they gotta tone it down

[shy shore]

I get what you're saying but I think Giant already has built in bonus SDI

If you've ever played the Giant ditto before they changed up special to be three hits, you'd know what I mean

Giant could reliably SDI the spin to end up below the other Giant or behind them or above them

[sinful dust]

@tired gale holy sh*t Iron Giant is fat

How did you not die to Shaggy rage kick at 140

[tired gale]

idk and i don't remember our game

i didn't play some games i was watching smth on the side

[shy shore]

i dont think i ever fought a giant as a giant, i only fought him once ever

but i know about the upspecial nerf, rightfully so bc ive seen so many clips of ig carrying opponents to the blast zone with that

[unborn karma]

Ewww it stinks in here

Scum

[shy shore]

🎷 🦖

[rich vigil]

Dang you're lucky

The ditto is so unfun 😭

[deep idol]

i find fighting another iron giant the funnest thing in the game

the fact i play him so much i love how to abuse another iron giants hitbox

[abstract python]

-No infinite groundbounce so giant can't get looped
-Way weaker ledge camp so Giant has a better advantage state
-Jabversus dead so Giant can continue playing NairVersus

All buffs so far, our fate lies in the hands of the patch notes themselves

Things are looking good right now though

[deep idol]

im so happy

watch they nerf iron giant mid season though because of this, im praying they dont. hes good as is rn

[abstract python]

Im willing to bet Rage mode gets nerfed if they pay attention to tournaments

Possibly compensation stuff like Grab being made usable

[abstract python]

Also I forgot that were prolly gonna get the new thorns this patch

Wonder what thats gonna be

[unborn karma]

Nah it will probably get buffed knowing pfg

[sinful dust]

You clearly don’t know PFG because they’re probably gonna leave rage mode alone and instead add more whiff lag to jab

Aka meaningless nerfs that don’t address IG at all

[shy shore]

chat is this real

ITS REAL

[rich vigil]

This patch today better be good

I honestly don't know what to expect, but what I'm hoping for is rage mode nerfs and then compensation in other areas

[abstract python]

In an ideal world

• Rage Mode Nerfed
• Grab buffed
• Thorns new passive + Perk is actually useful

[shy shore]

In an ideal world for me they make dair better

[abstract python]

Honestly I do want it to have some sort of use

I just kinda forget about it cuz you just cannonball whenever u wanna hit someone in the position to be daired

[full tide]

Would be nice to get some buffs

[shy shore]

It's my fav move but it sux

[abstract python]

The general consensus is nerf rage mode then give the useless moves an actual use

[shy shore]

Society if dair had the same combo potential as nair....

[abstract python]

I played this character cuz I like power grapplers and now grab is literally useless

Maybe the new thorns passive will change stuff up

[shy shore]

I played him cuz he's really big and that's very funny

[shy shore]

my iron giant experience would peak if grab was buffed

[shy shore]

i checked ig patch notes

air side attack bugfix kinda and rage mode down attack repeat-move lockout increased

i think thats it

Where's the notes

[abstract python]

the only thing that got nerfed was rage mode downtilt

and its a lockout

sair has less knockback on the no fuel version

thats i

so overall a net buf

[shy shore]

net buff?

[uncut bronze]

wait how did i know that they were going to lockout rage dtilt LMAO 💀

no nerfs lets go

[shy shore]

https://multiversus.com/en/news/1-2-2-mid-season-patch-notes

no buffs either :(

[warm skiff]

What’s a lockout unc

[abstract python]

u cant do the same move after clicking it for 24 frames now (was previously 17)

so no more downtilt only ledgeguard

arya got the same thing for up special

[warm skiff]

Is like 0.1 seconds longer you can till dtilt ledgeguard 😭

[abstract python]

yeah idt the frame increase is alot

ima have to see how it works ingame

[warm skiff]

17 to 24 doesn’t seem that bad

[abstract python]

probably wont be too significant outside of certain matchups that might be able to take advantage

so overall this is a net buff for sure

we take those

[warm skiff]

Ricks dead thank the lord

[abstract python]

I fell to my knees in joy when I read meseeks fly hitbox reduced

only gripe is that Velma got more nerfs than Joker

[warm skiff]

Oh dear god

Tnj

Did not

Get touched

At all

[abstract python]

thats something we alone have to worry about unfortunately

jab-uptilt is still gonna be a thing

[warm skiff]

Problem is

[abstract python]

it will remain an awful matchup for us alone

[warm skiff]

Even with teaching

Teching

Tnj up tilt

Still runs full speed as normal tnj

So you can dodge through it or run

Can’t

[abstract python]

yeah

im coping that the tech change will be enough to make it better but I cant count on that

[uncut bronze]

tech only applies to groundbounce loops so idk

[abstract python]

and we still gotta deal with Joker

he got less nerfs than Velma

awesome

[sinful dust]

He’s easily still top 3 minimum. Idk why PFG is so hesitant on bringing him in line with everyone else

[abstract python]

hes top 1 now lol

[sinful dust]

Probably

[abstract python]

all his competition got actual nerfs

[sinful dust]

Depends on how effective the Arya nerfs actually are

[wary fox]

ig beats arya

[abstract python]

theyre gonna be significant

sair knockback change is big and the removal of the tech

means she has to struggle to get kills a lil more now

[sinful dust]

Shaggy doesn’t…

I still think it’s funny that rage mode was basically untouched

[abstract python]

unless theres shadow nerfs

its a net buff

we take those

[sinful dust]

Literally everyone I’ve seen who plays IG said nerf rage mode and buff other areas

But I guess PFG didn’t get the memo

[abstract python]

I mean they technically did

Rage mode got nerfed and the new mechanics buff him

[sinful dust]

An additional 7 frame lockout on rage dtilt is hardly a nerf

[abstract python]

Thats a good thing 🤫

HOLD ON

WDYM "OR WHEN HIS GRAY HEALTH IS DEPLETED"

ON HIS DESCRIPTION

LEMME TEST THIS

nevermind false alarm

[dark oracle]

nerf nerf does down

[rich vigil]

Thoughts on the higher top blastzone?

I'm worried it'll be a little harder to get kills now

[abstract python]

Nah ive been playing games and this characters still so large that landing nair > upair still kills at similar percents since ur near the end of the blastzone when his combo ends

Killed beetlejuice at 70 with it so nothings really changed unless hes lighter than im aware

[uncut bronze]

the game feels faster and everyone seems lighter, they definitely did shadow changes to mess with the game

[rich vigil]

Oh alr cool

[abstract python]

As far as im aware Giant didnt get any shadow nerfs

[frank vapor]

@abstract python how much wins you got on ig bro

🐴

[abstract python]

I gotta check again

I think around 10,770

[knotty perch]

#clips message finally hit masters with IG

[rich vigil]

Jesus

[abstract python]

I was serious when I said we onetrick giant in this establishment

[high wind]

what's your IG rank after all those wins?

[abstract python]

Masters 1

Stopped grinding ranked after they added bo3

I was top 3 on giant day 1 of ranked but I quickly fell off obviously 😭🙏

[high wind]

10k wins and "stopped" grinding

https://tenor.com/view/detective-conan-conan-edogawa-sarcastic-laugh-unamused-gif-19043667

[abstract python]

Stopped grinding ranked

I still play the game hella

[high wind]

pointless to grind normals when ranked exist

[rich vigil]

Not really

They're playing the game to their enjoyment that's all that matters really

[abstract python]

Its just to enjoy the game lol

Im not gonna play rankrd if I don’t have fun playing Bo3s against gizmo arya TnJ the whole time

[high wind]

you got a point, I just find normal games too stale. I get bored after 2-3 games

[abstract python]

Luckily I got peeps who also enjoy the game

[rich vigil]

I hate normal queue because I hate the stage hazards so much

[sinful dust]

The stage hazards can be pretty funny tho

[mint python]

bro the undead iron giant is PEAK

[rich vigil]

It really is

Makes me sad we didnt get a circuit drone one tho 😔

[mint python]

yeah circuit drone woulda been hype too

[sinful dust]

Shaggy got a circuit drone one, but they nerfed it

If you used the shirt tip taunt with the circuit drone skin, he had blue and purple nipples, but they removed that

[primal oak]

Lmao

[mint python]

wtf

i want a refund where are my purple nipples i paid for

[rich vigil]

This is actually tragic

[weak folio]

can someone tell me the purpose of bolts?

bc i dont understand at all

[sinful dust]

Bolts give Iron Giant gray health proportional to the amount he has

I think you get like 3 gray health per bolt

Gray health acts as a secondary health pool and any damage you take will be removed from your gray health until it is entirely depleted, then you’ll start to accumulate damage normally again

[rich vigil]

It used to do thorns damage but they removed that

[mint python]

we need beta bolts back fr

[weak folio]

wth

[sinful dust]

No lmao

We don’t need the equivalent of up to 5 WW armors on IG

[mint python]

that one actually did something though 😦

i just want bolts to do soemthing other than give 3 hp lmao

[abstract python]

Bolts a kill move now

so its worse but it has a use

[mint python]

does its charges give more knockback?

[abstract python]

not that I know of

[mint python]

oh im talking just the charges not the actual burst itself,like i get removing the beta one but we need something better than 3 grey hp for putting down a whole edible item than taking the time to eat it being all vulnerable

[rich vigil]

I usually just do it between stocks

Or if the opponent starts camping and I have a stock lead

[river pond]

playing against iron giant is having perfect gameplay for 90% of the game and then dying at 0 to a true combo

[abstract python]

All his 0TDs are DI dependent

So if u died at 0 to a true combo it was incorrect DI

[rich vigil]

Except for iron giant has no true combos

Mix up your DI

[river pond]

yes he does

[river pond]

i guess but some options can cover like 5 different DI directions

[rich vigil]

Ok then what are they

[river pond]

lemme get in training real quick

[knotty perch]

nair jab iad nair dodge jab

[river pond]

yeah that,s the sort of stuff i was thinking about

[knotty perch]

jab iad nair or jump nair into sair or up special is always true also

[river pond]

there are for sure true combos with nair

can do carry you to the blast zone at 0-20

[rich vigil]

Nair into sair is not always true

[river pond]

it is most of the time

[rich vigil]

Most of the time does not equal true combo

[knotty perch]

jab down tilt dodge jab iad nair dodge jab iad nair jump sair is nearly always true also

[knotty perch]

it is

[river pond]

like maybe if you hit the back part of nair you can't hit uoair true

[knotty perch]

nair jump sair is always true

[river pond]

but that's on you to use somethign else than upair if you know it wont hit

bro you're capping, jab nair upspecial can be true

[rich vigil]

It's true if your opponent doesn't flick the stick in any direction lol

[knotty perch]

yeah it never dropped for me lol

[rich vigil]

It's true at higher percents but nair up special won't work at low percents

[river pond]

but you do realise that DI affects most combos of every character right?

[knotty perch]

only once or twice and I did it a bit late

[river pond]

iron giant isn't special

i mean for some stuff he is but not for diable combos that can't be dodged

[rich vigil]

Yeah and that still doesn't change the fact that iron giant has no true zero to deaths lmao

[river pond]

i just proved you he does

[rich vigil]

They're all DI dependent

[river pond]

the options cover half of the di directions

[rich vigil]

They literally don't

[knotty perch]

jab iad nair up special can zero to death if they di wrong

[river pond]

well i'm playing iron giant rn and yes they do

[rich vigil]

Yeah if they hold out the entire time it kills

At ledge

If you mix up your DI you should rarely be dieing at zero to IG

[knotty perch]

how are you saying nair doesn’t always combo into sair tho?

it always does for me

[river pond]

if the IG has more than 10 braincells, he can 50/50 guess your DI

there is no ''wrong'' or ''good'' di

some are worst than others but any DI can be covered

with iron giant at least, since the moves are so large

[rich vigil]

I mean sometimes when I do nair into sair it doesn't connect

Maybe I'm doing it wrong idk

Either way Iron giant doesn't have any zero to deaths

[abstract python]

Jab > IAD Nair > Sair can be avoided if they DI up

but then you risk the giant doing either reverse nair for more damage or jump nair > upair for a kill at 70

[rich vigil]

Yeah imo he's like Kazuya in smash

He's got some crazy combos

But if you mix up your DI, you should normally be fine

He's annoying and he's really good, but in no circumstance should he be banned

[abstract python]

Its Kazuya if he was a heavyweight and his Rage Drive is extremely broken and the devs keep nerfing everything besides the rage drive

[shy shore]

i have a clip of this

literally the exact situation

[silver arch]

More like Iron Deficency

[rich vigil]

Yo

That was like

A long time ago

Lmao

[frank vapor]

it's so joever

[mint python]

my iron giant overlords tf do you do against superman?

bro just presses uptilt and nullifies me theres gota be something i can do

[wary fox]

you can bait it, you can use the perk for armor

[mint python]

i just struggle because they can immedietly let go and start another uptilt,or maybe im just really bad at baiitng 🤷

[frigid reef]

hit him before he hits u. ez

[mint python]

so real wtf

[abstract python]

Armor break perks

If ur running the green one then hitting him once during that stuff means u can challenge uptilt for free

If ur running the red one then just full charge nair so it armor breaks and you condition them to play different during their advantage state

[mint python]

yeah actually i just dont really pay attention to the perks so i forgot there were armor break ones ty lmao

[full hearth]

#clips message

kills as early as it can gets

dies at 200

gigantic hitboxes

i always wondered what the devs were smoking while adding this character in the game

[rich vigil]

If you're not killing iron giant until 200 you're doing something wrong

[sinful dust]

Honestly seems more like a Lebron problem than an IG problem

Lebron just kinda loses the matchup to IG up special

[warm skiff]

You might just suck bro 😭

[hybrid relic]

he doesn't suck the character is bs

[abstract python]

Yeah but if ur complaining about consistently getting looped/0TD’d by Giant then ur DI is bad lmfao

[hybrid relic]

perfect di just means you can make 2 mistakes instead of 1 stop the cope

[high wind]

the skill issue disease is spreading, many people are complaining in here

[hybrid relic]

void struggles against iron giant so it's really not a skill issue. the skill issue is when iron giant players drop their 0TDs

[abstract python]

Void himself said its a personal issue with him lmfao

Void’s experience isn’t reflective of everyone nor is any top player’s opinion

Shirogane had Velma above Agent Smith prepatch but I don’t see anyone taking that seriously

[hybrid relic]

Void has that mindset because it's a winners mindset and he definitely can overcome iron giant but with how broken IG is he is likely going to have to pick IG himself or a good MU like Marvin

[tribal orchid]

Is IG still broken?

[hybrid relic]

what rank are you because I'm wondering if you're high rank and being dishonest or low rank and just haven't been on the receiving end of a good ig

[tribal orchid]

I never encounter him in my matches

[abstract python]

Not even top 3 lmfao

[abstract python]

Masters 1

[hybrid relic]

ok then you're being dishonest about how strong he is I guess you main him then

is he not your main?

[mint python]

iron giant complainers learning about directional influence

[abstract python]

Or maybe im just not a D1 overplayer

[hybrid relic]

in smash 4 when people complained about bayonetta the answer of "just di" was what you were told when you complained and Bayonetta killed that game even after a lot of nerfs so if you wanna defend IG at the expense of the games life you do u the easy Ws must be worth it

[abstract python]

The difference between Bayonetta and IG is that one of them was the undeniable best character in the game and the other is arguably not even top 5

[hybrid relic]

Who is better than ig?

[mint python]

ww,joker,finn,arya,gizmo all way better than its between morty-ig-tj imo

[hybrid relic]

IG, Joker, WW, Gizmo, Arya Morthy, TJ, Finn would be my order

I haven't ran into good Fin players in a while so he might be a bigger issue than I think he is

[mint python]

finn still has his 0tds so hes still prety top tier lol i dont get why iron giant at the top though, like what does he have except one combo that can be dıed

[abstract python]

WW Joker Gizmo Shaggy Finn > IG in 1s

WW Joker Gizmo Black Adam Steven > IG in 2s

[hybrid relic]

Combo breaker, biggest hitboxes, heaviest, armour, a meter that turns him god mode if it fills and moves that last longer than your dodge frames

I'm talking about 1s

[mint python]

his combo breaker has a 45 second cd and he kinda needs that because a lot of the cast has loops on him with his weight

[hybrid relic]

Idk how good ig is in 2s but I can't imagine him being bad

[mint python]

hes way better in 2s tho imo rage mode in 2s is demented

[abstract python]

Hes top 10 in both gamemodes

[hybrid relic]

his combo break should only be allowed once per stock because getting your advantage turned into disadvantage is bs

[mint python]

i mean in an actual game if its not just camping it is prety much once per stock because the 45 seconds lol

[hybrid relic]

Not really because he lives forever and his advantage state lasts forever

if his advantage state is not lasting for a long time it means you aren't DIing properly and got 0TD or the IG is really good so you got 0TD anyway

[abstract python]

If he can only bolts once per stock he becomes terrible lmao

No reason to not just camp him out

He cant counterzone

Without going in

The existence of bolts forces the opponent to approach him

[hybrid relic]

IG can 0TD the whole cast that's ok apparently

Ask an IG main what's the reason his combo break is so necessary and they'll say because some characters can 0TD him so he needs it.

Nice

[abstract python]

Yeah thats kind of the point

Not to mention bolts is literally mandatory in 2s where you will get jumped

[mint python]

seriously whats the iron giant 0td though he can kinda just chain nair jab twice

[abstract python]

Thats only if he guesses their DI btw

Hes Finn but worse matchups and worse neutral

Outside of 2s ofc

[warm skiff]

You might be ass to get better di lol

[mint python]

while the entire cast has actual 0tds on him the horrors of jab jab nair jab jab 😭

[hybrid relic]

His hitboxes linger longer than your dodge frames so if you do di and dodge out it doesn't matter he can pick up the combo again

[warm skiff]

Cuz void washed

[warm skiff]

Which moves exactly?

[abstract python]

You came out swinging

[warm skiff]

Everyone offline in pro discord so just came to check ❤️

[hybrid relic]

nair, up air, side tilt, up b and then in his god mode there's more. there's probably more I'm forgetting tbh

[abstract python]

Upair?

[hybrid relic]

yes you can hold it as long as you have fuel

[abstract python]

If u dodge upair its no longer active for u

Thats how alot of moves work

[hybrid relic]

then he just does up air again

or nair

or imagination. his hitboxes cover half the screen lol

[abstract python]

“He does up air again” is alot easier said than done

[warm skiff]

I have clips of people dodging this moves 8 times your wrong

[hybrid relic]

ok then that is a skill issue literally on the IG behalf

[abstract python]

Or maybe cuz he gets punished for whiffing upair usually 💀

[hybrid relic]

so if the IG plays well there is no escape. that's what I've been saying bruh

[warm skiff]

There is? Do you play Jason?

Ig can’t do double up air anymore since beta

[hybrid relic]

in a scenario where you're both close to the blastzone he can combo breaker your punish and kill you so

[abstract python]

This applies to every character ever

“If they don’t whiff then it works!”

Like HUH

[warm skiff]

He cant kill top blast zone

[hybrid relic]

yeah ok miss the point on purpose I'm done arguing

[warm skiff]

And since you can dodge bolts

Edge guard bolts are useless

[sinful dust]

I’ve played against and gotten cooked by Elektrokills and I can admit my loss was due to matchup inexperience. He never landed a zero to death on me if I had good DI, but I played stupidly and let myself get edgeguarded several times

IG thrives on you making stupid mistakes

And he can afford to make more himself because he’s so fat

[rich vigil]

Your point was that iron giant can true zero to death the whole cast and that his moves are undodgeable but both of those aren't true 💀

[sinful dust]

But basically everyone can zero to death IG if you catch him without burst in burnout or you catch both dodges

[warm skiff]

Bugs

My kryptonite

And tnj

[rich vigil]

TnJ still has his dumb combos

[sinful dust]

The T&J loop now requires a read to continue it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if IG is so big that he still gets caught

[abstract python]

P sure TnJ can just do jab3 > uptilt with the occasional Dair/Jerry shot to keep you from DI’ing off the map against Giant and Jason specifically

[sinful dust]

Oh if jab 3 true combos into utilt against IG and Jason, then yeah you’re cooked

[knotty perch]

IG is better than shaggy in my humble opinion

I think the matchup is pretty even between the two, but I think IG is better in going against other characters

[knotty perch]

you can’t win against an IG at ledge, keep them in middle of the stage and don’t dodge out otherwise you’re going to get caught in literally anything they try

[knotty perch]

what does void have to do with anything?

[warm skiff]

Offstage charge makes shaggy better in 2s ngl

Free damage you can’t really counter

[knotty perch]

2s isn't real

[warm skiff]

Pretty sure charge offstage annoying in 1s too

You can just sit there

If they try to get you

You just dodge and reverse them

[knotty perch]

can't dodge out of it if you fall for obvious bait it's on you

[warm skiff]

You either let them charge

Or fall for bait

Either way it’s a lose lose

[knotty perch]

that was a thing before they nerfed the sandwich perk

time your dodge sairs right

[sinful dust]

Alright, my IG ranked grind has begun

Let’s see how far I can get by cheesing people

[rich vigil]

Good luck

[sinful dust]

Played the IG ditto for the first time since the beta

Wow the ditto is really stupid

[sinful dust]

Does IG just auto lose to Marvin?

That matchup feels unwinnable

[shy shore]

It is certainly hard but if u can get the lead early on you can snowball

[mint python]

marvins just extremely hard though yeah

he can straight up spam dtilt and utilt and theres prety much nothing you can do about it as far as i know

[rich vigil]

He might as well

Only time IG can really win is if there's a considerable skill deficit

[warm skiff]

Nah

Put on projectile momentum

Walk at them with aura

Then dodge dtilt and punish

[rich vigil]

I think that if the Marvin is half competent that they can find counterplay to that

[warm skiff]

Nah

All Marvin got is up tilt + dtilt

Beat wootang with the aura strat

[sinful dust]

Idk I got hilariously 3 stocked by that Marvin

But I’m done the grind for now. Silver 3 so far, but idk why I can’t seem to get this 500 point gain that others get for a single game

I’m only getting like 40 or so for a win

[high wind]

any IG wanna run some 2's? 4000rp~ tnj

[mint python]

my iron giant overlords. i am once again in need of matchup advice. what the hell do you do against wonder woman.

she can kinda just pressure me forever and i just have to sit there and cry about it

[frigid reef]

not much. she is secretly one of his hardest matchups now

[mint python]

yeah i havent fought any proper matches against them as ig suprised how bad it was 😭

[frigid reef]

if they use Grapple of Hermes it's very difficult to win

[sinful dust]

Ok, this character definitely feels like his matchup spread is entirely +2 or better and -2 or worse matchups

It’s either you absolutely destroy the opponent with hardly any counterplay or the exact opposite

[rich vigil]

You pray

[sinful dust]

Man, I’ve gotten by far the most concedes against me playing this character

People really hate IG lmao

[frigid reef]

yeah, and he just keeps getting nerfed every patch 😂 im hoping they nerf him so much that there isnt anything else they can nerf

[coarse vault]

Scum

[frigid reef]

ay, im just playing my favorite character. people gonna complain and there's no stoppin' that

[sinful dust]

I mean, the one guy was playing Black Adam and I edgeguarded him by catching him out of flight twice and he died at 40

His own fault for being to predictable with it and burning all his resources

He immediately SD’ed twice into concede

The one thing I have really started to notice is that people fall out of up special very very easily

[rich vigil]

What combo did you lose to this time

[rich vigil]

Yeah it can be DIed out of

Same with nair

Only usually happens with smaller characters on nair tho

[coarse vault]

Some of his stuff are jsut true

[sinful dust]

I haven’t seen anyone DI out of nair unless I hit them with like the tip of it

But I have seen people DI away to avoid follow ups at mid and late percents after nair

Usually, I just got for jab IAD nair sair

And idk what signature you guys typically use, but I’ve always personally liked the one that makes dair create a flame wall

[rich vigil]

It's more like a nair is inconsistent type thing DIing out helps your odds of falling out

[sinful dust]

Hmm

[rich vigil]

I use wrong side of the bed because rage mode is broken

Afterburners is fun tho

[sinful dust]

True

I should probably make another perk setup with that one

Rage mode is literally like I deal 100 damage or kill with near zero counterplay

How much does wrong side perk reduce the damage you need for rage mode?

I know you need 150 damage without it

[rich vigil]

I don't think there's a set damage amount

You gain meter by attacking and by being attacked

[sinful dust]

Idk I’ve noticed pretty consistently that dealing 150 damage gives me rage mode

I haven’t noticed the rage bar getting filled when I’ve taken damage tho

If you do gain rage by taking damage, it’s very little

[rich vigil]

Wrong Side of the Bed fills it by about 1/4 of the meter

[rich vigil]

Oh yeah you gain way more by doing damage

It also works against melon Steven which is really funny

[sinful dust]

Good to know

Haven’t run into a Steven yet as IG, but I’m only gold 4 so far

Mostly Harley, Jack, Black Adam, and Bugs

In fact, I ran into a Velma before I’ve seen a single Steven

[rich vigil]

I just got done fighting a Steven the MU is actually hell

[sinful dust]

Idk how Steven has flown under the radar for so long

No one plays him and he’s a secret top tier

Zero whiff lag on anything

Uair has an egregious hitbox and kills early

Nair combos into everything with a pretty large hitbox

And he can shield himself at any point for a reversal

Not to mention watermelon Steven usually screws up the camera which can absolutely throw you off

[rich vigil]

Yeah he's actually insanely busted

It's not even funny

[sinful dust]

Thank god he’s unpopular

He’s one of my least favorite characters to play against

Like the T&J matchup is really bad, but at least it’s 10x more interactive and T&J can actually be whiff punished

[sinful dust]

And this holds true for whatever character I’m playing, not just IG

[uncut bronze]

steven needs a lot more nerfs rn

character gets away with so much bs

[shy shore]

Ye I use afterburners too. In 2s I prefer using wrong side of the bed but I always use afterburners in 1s.

Makes dair combos more fun

[full hearth]

legit 0 skills

[uncut bronze]

nah lebron just loses the matchup 💀

[shy shore]

whompwhomp

[wary fox]

talking about me xd

spamming a bunch of fast moves is not how you win

just so you know

[full hearth]

ur legit just saying how u won

spamming a bunch of unpunishable screen taking hitboxes with combos and 0tds that requires 0 brain cells

i don't blame u i blame the devs for this stupid character design

how can u not win with it

[wary fox]

i'm sorry you're just easy to read because you do the same thing every time

that's why i also do the same thing every time because it works

[full hearth]

sorry but what same thing was i actually doing " every time "

and there is nothing called " i do the same thing every time because it works "
that's what every ig does
plat to gm
same combos same loops same gimps nothing changed

it's not that it works on me so u gonna keep doing it

it works on the entire game

bcz it's broken

so u always gonna do it

there's literally a good reason why this character gets banned from alot of tournies

like legit there's a reason

[wary fox]

👍

[knotty perch]

since it’s that easy you have like 20 days, why don’t you try to do it yourself

[mint python]

multiversus lives in this fellas head rent free bruh all he does is complain in character threads 😭

[rich vigil]

Oh so he doesn't just complain in this one then lmao

This guy's like Zypten all over again

[sinful dust]

At least Zypten was trolling in half of his complaints

[mint python]

yeah this guys just a proffesional whiner zypten was just a funny fella

[rancid sleet]

YAWWWWWWNNNN

get better at the game yawwwn

[abstract python]

This character doesn’t get banned like that anymore lmfao

They not even top 3

Lebron just loses that matchup gangy

[sinful dust]

Honestly, normal IG is like maybe top 10 and the only reason he’s even considered for debatably top 5 is because rage mode IG is definitively top 1

But you don’t play the vast majority of the game with rage mode

[uncut bronze]

yeah pretty much, which is why i put him in A tier

if you die before getting rage mode your chances of losing go up by a lot

[sinful dust]

Yeah, I’ve been noticing that

[uncut bronze]

it's basically a win condition

[sinful dust]

Which is why I’m considering swapping to the wrong side perk over afterburners

[uncut bronze]

yeah in 2v2 you need rage mode perk

[sinful dust]

Like I probably get an extra 20 or so damage from afterburners in 1v1

[mint python]

honestly rage mode in 1s still can be just walked out in 1s, have had multiple people that just disengage immedietly and run around till it runs out and theres not much you can do

[sinful dust]

But rage mode is just that good

[uncut bronze]

yeah in 1s rage isnt as good bc they'll just go hug a wall

[sinful dust]

You keep them at the wall taking stage control for free and then you can still pressure them with dair, down special, or side special

[mint python]

yeah fair its still really good to pressure them

[sinful dust]

I’ve definitely killed a few people by just running off with dair into an immediate down special

[knotty perch]

did y’all know you could aim bubble

I didn’t

[sinful dust]

You can?

[knotty perch]

and I’ve been using IG since the beta!!!!

[knotty perch]

yes

[sinful dust]

How?

[knotty perch]

hold it and aim

you can read and get them to the top of the blast zone and kill at zero

[sinful dust]

Can you control it to the degree of Garnet’s arm?

[knotty perch]

garnet’s up special

[rich vigil]

Yeah

[coarse vault]

Scum

[rancid sleet]

I retract my statement on rage mode that I made before, it actually is good

might’ve just been salty since I had no idea how it worked

especially since before iron giant was fine as is without rage mode and I just never used it

now it’s kind of a blessing

[warm skiff]

Explain

[coarse vault]

Ur trolling right?

[rancid sleet]

for a guy that doesn’t seem to play iron giant, to come into the iron giant chat and just call us “scum”, while also being named “number 1 glazer” really shows something about you

[coarse vault]

Scum

[rancid sleet]

bait used to be believable

just don’t interact with this fool

[coarse vault]

Ig is the only character that has been banned from tournaments if that doesn’t tell u something than idk what will

[woven flicker]

The fact that he was literally the first character to just be taken out of the game to be reworked

[uncut bronze]

because he had an infinite, that has nothing to do with the state he's in now 🤨

[mint python]

MY FELLOW SİGMAS! THİS İS RAGEBAİT! DO NOT FALL FOR THİS USERS TRİCKS!

[shy shore]

blud will be like "scum"

-cringe
-overused
-not poggers

me however will be like
sigma sigma on the wall who's the skibidiest of them all

+based
+lyrical genius
+poggers

[warm skiff]

All newer characters are banned by default which is why beetlejuice,Jack,and agent smith have been banned from tournaments, iron gisnt was banned from tournaments due to a bug, not the character themselves

[coarse vault]

Character is completely kills super early and dies late

Takes up half the map and has combos

Can’t even say he combo meat anymore cuz the me update buffed his survival state

Completely scum

[sinful dust]

Except that they’ve been nerfing all his kill power, so he can’t kill until like 120 without an edgeguard or hard read on an opponent’s stupid option, his weight was nerfed, his hitstun taken was nerfed, his burst cooldown timer was nerfed, and his combo game is basically exclusively limited to jab IAD nair and dair nair

[warm skiff]

If he’s killing you early

You might just be ass

With bad DI

He also dies a lot earlier now

With everyone’s weight decreased

[sinful dust]

Jab IAD nair sair at ledge should never kill you and if it does, you didn’t DI correctly

[warm skiff]

Only on non tourney legal maps it’s does

Non ranked I mean

Short blast zones

[sinful dust]

I mean, I was mainly talking ranked

[warm skiff]

Dex 2 the only map

[sinful dust]

Other stages have way more gimmicks that can kill you

[warm skiff]

But that shouldn’t be in ranked ngl

[sinful dust]

Hard agree

That stage is ass

[warm skiff]

Space map has it too

But luckily

It’s not in 1s

[sinful dust]

I mean, if you’re getting death comboed at ledge in 2v2, then you need a new teammate

[warm skiff]

Yeah

Combo based characters aren’t the best in 2s sometimes

Joker is

But like not anybody else who’s combo heavy

[sinful dust]

I mean when isn’t Joker meta

He’s clearly the favorite for PFG

[coarse vault]

Funny thing is I’m better than u and bad di alone should be the reason why u die Early at all bruh and we all know it

[sinful dust]

That doesn’t sound like glazing to me mr #1 glazer

[warm skiff]

🤣

Sure bro

[coarse vault]

What’s ur rank?

[high wind]

any IG main wanna run some 2's? 4k rp tnj

[warm skiff]

Grandmasters #82

[coarse vault]

Nice

[frigid reef]

bro got, got by IG applying 3 stacks of Last Stand. wait 'till everyone finds out about Superman

[knotty perch]

that was a zero to death before the nerfs

never kills anymore

until like 100 damage minimum

[sinful dust]

Bro I’m the IG lmao

And with 3 stacks of weaken, nair doesn’t even confirm into sair if you DI correctly

[sinful dust]

Unless you’re referring to the other guy complaining

[sinful dust]

I’ve hit sair like slightly more than halfway between the stage and the blast zone and it still doesn’t kill

[frigid reef]

i was. people don't DI IG's neutral-air upwards. it's not common to do that at all

[sinful dust]

Most people don’t DI up in general. Probably because DI up in Smash is almost never useful

[knotty perch]

di'ing up against IG helps escape mostly all of his combos

[frigid reef]

sort of. if the IG knows u will DI up, they can just go for jab 1 > jump > neutral-air and sometimes that's worse for the opponent than just DI-ing in or DI-ing away

[full hearth]

just love the nair of this whatever in the game

[woven flicker]

I decided to get this messed up character from the event shop

How do I play him

[full hearth]

do nair and slight

that's all u need to do

u also have recovery

and sair

u kill at 0

u die at 200

[sinful dust]

Don’t listen to him. He’s an IG hater

He doesn’t play the character

[woven flicker]

Oh

Why is he even talking here then

[sinful dust]

Because he likes to complain I guess

[full hearth]

lol

that's how onlinewithbobo plays

#1 ig

u can watch his vods and come back

tell me if i said something wrong

i'm literally telling u how to play the character

[woven flicker]

Imma just do what you said and see what happens lol

[full hearth]

yuh please go ahead

[sinful dust]

But you’ll mainly want to use jab, nair, and dair in neutral against most characters. Against projectile characters, you’ll want to use a lot of grounded up special because it has projectile invulnerability. They kinda gutted IG combo routes, so most combos are jab IAD nair or dair nair into sair or potentially dodge jab or uair if they DI incorrectly. Be smart with burst because you basically only get one per stock. And rage mode is insanely strong, so the wrong side of the bed perk is probably the best if you can live longer and deal more damage to consistently get rage mode. In rage, basically just spam all ground normals and the side special green ball. The afterburners perk is also decent for setting up a wall and most people will boldly charge in and take an additional like 20-25 damage per stock

[frigid reef]

bait people into using attacks with end-lag, grab them with grounded side-special (has super armour) works pretty well on Shaggy side-special spammers

[sinful dust]

Oh yeah, the grab armor is basically for punishing spammers like Shaggy kick spammers, Jack side special spammers, and Arya teleport

Oh, and using utilt to cover higher recoveries where you can’t safely uair is really good, especially because the projectile covers additional space

[woven flicker]

Armored command grab??? That is silly

[sinful dust]

And jab neutral attack is your most consistent kill confirm at like 130 (changes depending on character weight and stage positioning)

You’ll likely get pulverized for your first handful of games getting used to the character

[frigid reef]

u have to time it well, the range of IG's grab isn't all around his body like it used to be, his has lots of whiff lag too, but it's still nice to have. occasionally u'll run into characters that have armor-breaking attacks so, it isn't exactly the best thing ever

[woven flicker]

Ah right

[mint python]

yeah the grabs hitbox is cheeks

like ill actually try to bait people into it and use the armor effectively but you just straight up cant sometimes its hitbox is non existant

[frigid reef]

Multiversus was better when it was faster. aerial side-special is a good move for skipping neutral. u either deal damage or trade damage with ur opponent. it's also good to keep in mind

[mint python]

it hurts every time im reminded of the beta it was actual peak 😭

[frigid reef]

ye. they could have just added tech-rolling to the old version and it would have been almost perfect

[rich vigil]

Loud incorrect buzzer

[coarse vault]

Scum

[full hearth]

i don't get it are u saying don't do it
or it doesn't work ?

i really don't get it

[sinful dust]

It only works if you don’t know how to play around it

[frigid reef]

nobody ever says anything nice about Iron Giant 🥲

[rich vigil]

I'm saying that iron giant isn't as simple as just using nair

No character is that simple

[uncut bronze]

in high level gameplay they will literally just walk away from nair and hit you for using it

everything in his kit is extremely punishable

[abstract python]

Because hes a cheese machine

Doesnt matter how bad or how good he is

He kills early so people will always say he doesn’t belong

[mint python]

i mean hes just so silly though thats one good thing about iron giant

[abstract python]

People still hated Giant when he was bottom 3 at the end of beta

It will never end I promise you

[uncut bronze]

in 2v2 you just about never see IG kill early unless you're facing some bad opponents

[sinful dust]

Ok, I can definitely see how the Shaggy matchup is winning for Shaggy

[uncut bronze]

yeah shaggy just beats up on him and he doesnt have many options to deal with it

[warm skiff]

Still yapping is insane

[coarse vault]

Still play ig is more insane

[mint python]

erm so

what the sigma do you do against dirt

projectile momentum and upb dont stop it and i cant properly punish it because im the slowest character in the game

had bro straight up just do it to me for 5 minutes straight kinda traumatizing

[sinful dust]

There’s like a 25% chance you can maybe punish with air side special

And that’s it

Dirt isn’t considered a projectile, so none of the projectile counters work

Also, I’ve made it to platinum. Surprisingly people are actually toasting me

I’m so used to people just spamming salt and tbag and then not toasting

[warm skiff]

He’s not even top 5

[sinful dust]

IG could get nerfed to be bottom 1 like what happened in beta, but I’ll still play him because big dumb hit character funny

[knotty perch]

IG bottom 1 is crazy

[sinful dust]

Even if he wasn’t exactly bottom 1, he was pretty bad at one point

[rich vigil]

Punish with iad

If you're close enough

[knotty perch]

I don't remember he was ever that bad

[sinful dust]

I’m pretty sure he was like definitively bottom 5 at one point after all the nerfs

[warm skiff]

Nah

My ass switching to shaggy or bugs rn

Cuz ig kinda ass

[sinful dust]

Just become a filthy Joker main

Or if you’re playing 2v2, a filthy WW main

[rich vigil]

He was like bottom 1 at the end of beta

[rich vigil]

Glad to see you're out of your "he's still busted" phase 🙏

[sinful dust]

Base IG is kinda mid

Rage IG is like top 1 no question

[rich vigil]

Top 1 in 2s

Not 1s

[sinful dust]

But people are also incredibly bad at playing against IG in general

[warm skiff]

Dude

[rich vigil]

It's pretty easy for a lot of characters to just run away from rage mode in 1s. It's still very good tho

[warm skiff]

I’ve lost to the same

Character

For the past

[knotty perch]

I stopped playing often around christmas

[warm skiff]

5 brackets

This shi ain’t fun anymore

[rich vigil]

Rip

[warm skiff]

I hate bugs

I hate bugs

I hate bugs

[rich vigil]

You needa finda counter pick character

Like Steven or smth

[knotty perch]

shaggy

[warm skiff]

I’m picking up shaggy

[sinful dust]

I’ve played IG vs Bugs once so far and it was kinda hell, so yeah that’s valid

[rich vigil]

Ah

[uncut bronze]

this the sht ive been saying he loses to like half the cast with multiple impossible MUs

[coarse vault]

He’s top 10 imo

[rich vigil]

He's not

[coarse vault]

He is scum

[frigid reef]

guys, which direction is the opponent supposed to DI this combo? i'm not sure if they DI'd at all.

https://photos.onedrive.com/share/25A9F3C84689345A!sc3fa0764f1cd47eeb5c5a66f84cf8bdc?cid=25A9F3C84689345A&resId=25A9F3C84689345A!sc3fa0764f1cd47eeb5c5a66f84cf8bdc&ithint=video&e=DDB90i&migratedtospo=true&redeem=aHR0cHM6Ly8xZHJ2Lm1zL3YvYy8yNWE5ZjNjODQ2ODkzNDVhL0VXUUgtc1BOOGU1SHRjV21iNFRQaTl3QjFFYkdIa19pRl9IenhyOXRDM29uX0E_ZT1EREI5MGk

[rich vigil]

Pretty sure DIing out would have avoided the nair

[frigid reef]

i see. is there a way to ko from grounded down-attack, but without nair?

[rich vigil]

I mean it spikes pretty well

[uncut bronze]

just have to hope they DI in at the ledge when you jab into down tilt

if it doesn't kill follow up with a down special

[sinful dust]

Is T&J even possible to win against?

[rich vigil]

You gotta get lucky when reading DI

You only ever get 1 or 2 openings against a good TnJ per stock and you really have to make them count

Also down special kills Jerry in one hit if you can do it safely

[sinful dust]

Yeah so like even with a super early gimp edgeguard, I still pretty convincingly lost

[rich vigil]

Hoagie you have messed around with iron giant nair up air follow di while flying nair up air

[uncut bronze]

ive done that to people, its satisfying when they DI into it

[sinful dust]

Yeah

Uair’s hitbox is really weird tho

[uncut bronze]

nair and then dodging to the side and up-airing works great for catching people trying to DI away and dodge out too

[coarse vault]

Yah u can’t really di out of it I jsut played the number 4 ig

[shy shore]

Deadddd bro didn't bring up their rank again after being shot down by Carry

[coarse vault]

Wym I’m higher rank than Carry😭🙏🏾

[full hearth]

u should ask @tired gale and onlinewithbobo n every other ig

they legit do the same thing over and over again

it's broken they know it

and simple af

and carries af

u legit don't need a human brain to get grandmaster with ig

[tired gale]

once you understand you can jump over nair, or avoid it you are a superhuman

it's just too hard to think of a solution

[full hearth]

ain't that the whole game tho

people trying to avoid nair or recovery or whatever ?

like for the entire match trying to avoid it

and it still hits

doesn't that mean the move is broken ?

like oh u can jump above it damn that's sad 😦 let me use my 1 braincell and do it from above bcz i can hold it

and move with it as well

a safe move than u can't punish and u get a combo when u do it that u end with a kill

at 0 maybe

[mint python]

man i wonder why iron giant uses his combo moves

i think lebron shouldnt be able to throw his ball fr

[full hearth]

if lebron ball throw is comparable to any ig move

then idk what to say

u don't even know what r u saying

talking bout ig

jus proving my points

[sinful dust]

Dude is single handedly keeping Morton Salt in business

[mint python]

nah im just trolling you

[coral bison]

Bold claim but Iron Giant is balanced (aside from a few glaring bugs here and there)

He is a High Risk, High Reward Character, Who can take a million damage in a second and can also Deal it in a second

His only way to escape others combos is a resource, so the counterplay is just preventing him from eating metal to regain it once he whiffs it.

[sinful dust]

Eating scrap metal only lets him get more gray health with bolts and doesn’t affect the burst cooldown timer

[mint python]

would be actually very cool if it did ngl

[sinful dust]

I’d be the campiest IG lmao

[mint python]

still wouldnt be campy though

putting down the art and eating in locks you down hard

prety much free hits for the enemy if you dont do it after a stock or something

[sinful dust]

I can usually get one if I put down a flame wall and notice my opponent is respecting it

With afterburners

[full hearth]

LOL
i have a surprise for u
you know u don't actually take a million damage in a second but u do deal a million damage in a second ?
you kill at 0
u prolly will lose a stock at 180-200
95% ur safe throwing big moves that r fast, does high damage, got loops, and destroys projectiles
u can also escape combos and kill when ur getting combo'd

call that balanced

[mint python]

here comes the yapper

[full hearth]

and the only argument that an ig can make is " learn the match up "
u literally never talked bout the character
there is legit no matchups to learn
character still broken
pre nerfs this channel had the same ig mains saying he is not broken and acting the same way after nerfs

[coral bison]

There is nothing to learn with IG. Whenever I find one to fight the strategy is always the same. First find out if they are a Top or Bottom iron giant. By this I mean do they use mainly upwards or side/down attacks.

Once that is figured out he is bread and butter, start a small combo and bait a combo escape. Do a dodge as soon as you can and you will parry the burst since it will come out at the same time once the combo and your end lag drops out.

Now snake in from the top or bottom of IG, whatever he tends not to cover, and now that you are in the center of him, Profit. Just stay within him as much as possible and watch the landslide victory

9/10 times they are a bottom iron giant

ther only strings they can get off require a down air or side grounded

so jump in from the top and begin the combo from there.

His air game is his weakest because his Up air has low priority as well. Stay above him and use repeated down airs (which should connect since he is so vertical) until he is forced into his grave.

[abstract python]

have you ever considered thats cuz u need to learn the matchup

"there is no matchups to learn" and you've immediately outed yourself as uneducated

the character arguably loses to Jason

but you wouldnt know that cuz all u do is yap about the character and wonder why u keep dying at 30 and can't kill till 180

[full hearth]

thanks for proving my point

[full hearth]

bro tried to find a matchup that ig lose and he said " arguably "

speak of the character itself

if u have nothing to speak about the character

and telling everyone to learn the matchup

then u know the character is broken

[mint python]

i think you should learn the matchup

[full hearth]

u literally have nothing to speak about

0 points

yeah

[mint python]

hey savak da lebron main i see your furious discord activity has blinded your reasoning i suggest you learnt he matchup 🤓

[rich vigil]

He said arguably because some iron giants think Jason is losing and some think it's an even matchup. If you don't think IG loses any matchups you're either trolling or you're dumb

[full hearth]

time for all of us to learn the matchup

🤓

[rich vigil]

Yes

[full hearth]

everyone is wrong we ig mains are right

let's learn the matchups

🤓

[rich vigil]

How good do you think IG is?

[abstract python]

I said a low tier that some top giants think is losing as an example 💀

I could easily name the basic ones like Marvin TnJ Joker Shaggy Harely gizmo

Etc etc

The point is that the character clearly has multiple losing matchups and ur intentionally obtuse to believe otherwise just because you can’t fight the character

[knotty perch]

savak why are you toxic

[mint python]

the hard hitting questions

[full hearth]

first of all identify IG
because i think that he is just a product of bad design
he shouldn't be a character in the game like this
if u main iron giant and u think balancewise or characterwise he is " okay " or " balanced " then ur just wrong
if u played any and literally any platform fighter u would know that iron giant shouldn't be a character atleast like that
every since the beta ig was literally 2 things
either broken and annoying
or really bad and annoying
and annoying here doesn't stand for his moves only it's just his entire kit is made in the wrong way
and it got worse since the game got slower so basically u have fast ig moves ( yes they're fast believe it or not )
and a slower gameplay in general
that itself is a problem
there must be a workout
i honestly think that simply nerfing him would not do anything
it's either u nerf him too hard rn to make him " balanced " and he will become ( bad and annoying )
or leave him like he is and he will be ( broken and annoying )
he just needs a rework otherwise ur going to have a character that has loops, kills early, have 0tds and reads that kills at 0, gets banned on tournies / a ( bad and annoying ) character that ig mains will say buff it, while people will say it's annoying

[mint python]

i aint reading allat

[full hearth]

i like u

[abstract python]

Annoying ≠ Needs rework what

Character don’t get banned anymore and when they did it was either for bugs or the very start of full release when he had an infinite

He aint “broken” rn lmfao

He aint dominating no tournaments let alone even getting first place

[full hearth]

where did i even say that i literally talked about his entire kit being a product of a bad design and u just jump onto saying " annoying doesn't mean it needs rework "
joker is annoying do u think he needs a rework ofc not
at this point there is no point to even argue with u ur repeating what u said everytime in just different words

[abstract python]

Except that is literally subjective

You can’t just say “He’s badly designed” and act like its fact

[warm skiff]

Yeah but are they the best? Nah love bobo never seen elektro play

But still must diss eu

[warm skiff]

Every character requires learning a matchup

Like the people who said samurai Jack is a good character are kinda braindead

Just play neutral like a normal person

[knotty perch]

elektro is arguably top 2 or 1 eu

[warm skiff]

But like

I have to diss eu

I think h477 top 2 though

He’s decent

[knotty perch]

h377 is eu?

[mint python]

why you gota do me like that frfr

[knotty perch]

turk I played you a few times with IG before ranked

you were playing taz

you kept spamming that emote

[mint python]

erm im just silly though :3

[sinful dust]

Why is IG “bad game design”? You keep saying this but you have provided zero reasoning to backup your claim. You keep saying things like “he has zero to death combos” (which he doesn’t if you have good DI and are not on Dexters which should be removed from ranked anyway) and “he has loops” when his loops are DI dependent like most character’s loops in this game that still exist. So like if IG is bad game design because he has loops, Lebron is too because of his tech chase loop which is functionally the same where you just have to react to tech left or right as opposed to IG DI away or up. It really just sounds like you legitimately don’t want to learn the matchup and how to counter IG’s style of play and instead just complain and spout misinformation while saying he’s “bad game design”

I mean, at least you weren’t as bad as the one Lebron player a few months ago who was trying to defend the Lebron basketball infinite being necessary instead of removing it and buffing other aspects of his kit to compensate

[rich vigil]

You would crumble against smash ultimate Rob

[sinful dust]

Luigi, Kazuya, and Ice Climbers too

[warm skiff]

Yes I saw em 2-0 bobo in eu bracket

[crisp trench]

guess ill just get zero to deathed

[sinful dust]

Idk if Septre is in here but GGs

The ditto is really f*cking stupid tho lmao

[rich vigil]

@slim drift

Pretty sure that's him

[knotty perch]

they genuinely popped out of nowhere I first thought they were an elektro or bobo smurf bc they had like 100 total wins

[coarse vault]

I can understand that ig may not be S tier anymore

But let’s be real here… he is not a well designed character

[warm skiff]

I mean

There’s worse

A lot of problems can be fixed by adding shielding and ledge grabs instead of walls

[coarse vault]

Idk man

Idk ig might be the worst designed platform fighting character ever

[abstract python]

IG would work in smash or any platform fighter with shield/grab system and I stand by that

Half the issue is that he never feels like ur fighting a heavy cuz the dodge system beats out everything

And he abuses dodge better than other characters because his hitboxes are so large that dodging can be tricker

Hell he can work in this game if they just increased the blast zones

He’s considered jank because he basically carries you to the edge and then you die at 30

IG is a character that abuses game mechanics moreso than his actual kit

And he’s not super broken or anything so the issue is moreso “He’s jank” rather than “He’s broken”

IG himself isn’t bad game design; Its the design of the game hes in that allows him to abuse stuff

[coarse vault]

Yet they made Ridley smaller on purpose for a reason tho

[coarse vault]

Yall will say anything but the fact that he’s poorly designed

[rich vigil]

I love how you don't have a counterpoint you just keep passive aggressively disagreeing

[coarse vault]

I don’t need a counter point bro alr proved my point

[warm skiff]

Because of stage size

Mf would fall through the stages at full size