Harley Quinn

[tropic tulip]

I played 8 games against Anthos and thought it'd be funny to mirror him and I lost the match pretty hard

[carmine tapir]

doesnt anthos play superman

[tropic tulip]

That dude is like one of the best readers ever

[tropic tulip]

He's playing WW 'while he fine tunes his superman'

[carmine tapir]

yea ok

[tropic tulip]

Dude threw out the most random side special and I jumped into it, like he threw it out as I jumped it wasn't a risky thing,

And I told him it was a great read and he just goes "yeah it wasn't that great, the way I was playing most people just randomly jump in that situation"

Like dude was playing mind games with me lol what???

[carmine tapir]

idk i cant play ww at all

i use her for tank challenges but thats it

[tropic tulip]

The trick is to not over complicate things

Spam fair

Do the loop

Get good at edge guarding because Holy moly are you not getting back on stage Vs an edge guarding WW

[carmine tapir]

only fighter i care about other than harley is like gizmo probably but im gonna wait for his nerfs to learn him

ww is probably gonna get gutted too

[tropic tulip]

I wouldn't count on it

Gizmo so bad please buff

[carmine tapir]

please turn gizmos car into a cybertruck

[tropic tulip]

Can't wait for greeeted to become the only good gizmo again

[marsh depot]

now i’m interested in this “apache” guy

[carmine tapir]

hes the guy that won coinbox

[marsh depot]

thank for info just found the channel

[regal crag]

hi

[stray copper]

You 100% know where she is going especially if it’s charged

[frozen yarrow]

I mean distance wise
You only know the charge to distance ratio if you play her

[formal laurel]

I wasn’t saying don’t use it guaranteed punish or anything like that I use it too I was just saying it’s a very easy punish

[limpid dune]

It's not even funny how harley queen makes every matchup but wonder woman look like a joke

She basically has the bat of bugs bunny from the beta before being nerfed, kills so early and has the best hitbox in all the game

[stray copper]

She doesn’t kill early at all. At most 100 unless you aren’t dodging her up air or up b

[stray copper]

Shaggy kills at 40

[turbid wing]

Indeeed

It’s annoying

Bugs at 50

[stray copper]

The only hitbox I can see being a problem is her nair but her nair is very inconsistent I’ve had situations where they completely didn’t get hit when they should have gotten hit

[stray copper]

Dash attack people fall out of a lot too

[turbid wing]

Depends on the move and the spacing

[limpid dune]

She has a lot of confirms from 70-kill wdym

[turbid wing]

Show me

[stray copper]

If you aren’t dodging her

[turbid wing]

Most of her kill confirms u gotta b on 80

[limpid dune]

And getting dmg as her is not that difficult, she also has one of the best forward air

[stray copper]

^

[turbid wing]

Which combos into 100

Which then kills

Even if it is “70” it’s still later than a lot of the cast

[stray copper]

???? Bugs has the best nair in the game rn wdym?

[turbid wing]

Wait

@limpid dune who’s in your S tier

[stray copper]

Wonder Woman has a way better fair. Has a wide and jank hitbox, crazy knockback, can combo off of it, and can set up into lasso

Imma be real it sounds like you aren’t properly dodging Harley

no way you should be dying at 70 to her unless you seriously aren’t DI ing properly or not dodging

Like it’s not possible for me to kill Superman at 70 bro 😂

I WISH

[stray copper]

That’s true

[opal pier]

Only annoying thing about Harley at this point is her tiny ant sized hitbox

[stray copper]

I wish Harley could kill Superman or Wonder Woman at 70. That would be a fever dream 😭

[opal pier]

Most Harleys move the exact same in matches so it's just spacing at this point and knowing where to dodge

But that damn hitbox is so small

[stray copper]

Gizmos is smaller

[opal pier]

I see Gizmo once in a blue moon though lol

[stray copper]

I don’t. He’s considered top 5 rn I ran into a lot of them and get bodied

[limpid dune]

I said fair

[stray copper]

And banana guards knock back? Jokers crowbar? Are we just ignoring everything and hard focus Harley? lol

[stray copper]

@limpid dune

[opal pier]

No lol I said it's just her hitbox

Harleys all move the same pretty mu h

Much

[limpid dune]

Without counting iron giant cuz he really is broken, wonder woman, harley and gizmo

[stray copper]

Shaggy should be up there

[limpid dune]

I'm not saying I'm playing superman lol, but even with that every giant character it's combo food for harley

[limpid dune]

He's good for 1's but not that good for 2's harley and ww are better at every gamemode

[stray copper]

That’s for every character you fight tho. Joker can combo you like crazy

[turbid wing]

So u think gizmo who has infinite arrows, infinite popcorn that breaks every projectile, not inflicting musical notes and his box

[stray copper]

?? Shaggy is amazing for 2s with his super saiyan mode

[turbid wing]

Iron girl who has 5 loops and 4 touch of deaths

And has 3 moves that kill on zero

Also has rage mode

And ww who is just extremely good

U think harley fits in the same category as them?

💀

[limpid dune]

Are at the same level than harley? yeah

I am

[turbid wing]

😭😭😭

Ok

[stray copper]

Bruh

[limpid dune]

If not tell me what character won the last 1's coinbox

tell me what was the grand finals

[turbid wing]

The player won not the character

[stray copper]

Here we go 🤦🏾‍♂️

[turbid wing]

On paper harley is weaker everyone knows this

She doesn’t have what they have

She only has combo game

Her boxes are bugged

[limpid dune]

She's literally getting nerfed you think she's balanced?

[turbid wing]

Her specials are bugged

[limpid dune]

Cope

[turbid wing]

Cope?

[stray copper]

“If a character wins a tournament, they are top 1 best character in the game” - literally everyone

[turbid wing]

She only has combo game

😭😭😭

Name something else she has

[limpid dune]

So Jake in the beta wasn't the best character?

[turbid wing]

Cause her ladder isn’t true

Everyone has ladders btw

Gizmo has true ladders

[limpid dune]

Nope

[turbid wing]

So does finn

[stray copper]

Okay and once she gets nerfed next Thursday you should beat her right? You shouldn’t complain anymore

[turbid wing]

So does wonder

Let me ask you something

You ever won a tournament

Or placed

[stray copper]

Literally joker

[limpid dune]

If they nerf her enough then yeah cuz rn she has probably the best confirms of all the game, same goes with ww

[stray copper]

Wonder Woman

[turbid wing]

Joker has better ladder than harley every top player says this

😭😭😭

[limpid dune]

On my country? yeah, cuz I'm not on the usa

[turbid wing]

Ok what should they nerf ab harley

[limpid dune]

But it was in the beta

you did?

[turbid wing]

Send me your start gg

[stray copper]

Okay bet so we should 1 v 1 next Thursday 🙏

When the patch drops and she gets nerfed let’s 1 v 1

[limpid dune]

It was not on start.gg, it was a tournament from richrg and I got 7 place lol

[limpid dune]

Let's see if she gets nerfed enough or if they do a little bit of ''-1 damage on nair'' just like they used to do with shaggy

[stray copper]

Bro come on with the excuses it’s never enough is it?

[limpid dune]

But telling me she is not top 4 of the game is just crazy rn (not counting iron giant again)

[limpid dune]

Okay, then let's 1 vs 1 next patch

[turbid wing]

This man thinks

[stray copper]

Stop with the excuses. You know she’s getting nerfed hard so let’s 1 v 1

[turbid wing]

Harley is in the same category as gizmo

And ww

And ig

😭

Gizmo with infinite projectiles that have hit stun

[limpid dune]

Tell me how she is not in the same category lol

[turbid wing]

Ladder

[stray copper]

Okay bet. You should 1 v 1 tymier post patch too

[turbid wing]

Ok

I’ll tell you

Harley only has combo game. Her specials are bugged right now. But lets say her specials ARE INFACT WORKING.
Every combo you get hit with is dodge-able and di-able. You can get out of her ladders since they are no longer true.

Wonder Woman has true ladders. Way better kill power. Inf lasso and shield.

Ig has 7 loops.
5 touches of deaths.
3 moves that kill on zero

Gizmo has car which is a guaranteed hit because the game is slow u can’t run away and it kills on 50

Putting Harley in the same category as that is insane

Not to mention

Gizmo can get rid of any projectile in the game with popcorn which is INFINITE

Harley has a box and a bomb. If you’re getting comboed by her it’s your fault you can dodge and di.

With these characters I listed that doesn’t matter if you do dodge or di

Their damage, knockback and kill power make up for that

Harley kills on 90+ most of the time. I can send u clips of me up upspecing someone at 100 and it didn’t kill

Only time she kills is when she’s close to the blast zone

Bugs has true 0 to death looos

He kills on 50 from middle of map with up air alone

All I need to do is nair nair down air

Ur on 40

Ur now on kill % if ur Harley

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRKQTL4D/

@limpid dune pretty sure the “best character in the game” or “top 4” wouldn’t die on 50 all the time

U mean to tell me

Harley is better than bugs. When bugs has safe rocket. A loop. Kills on 50, and a tunnel to send his projectiles through

But harley is so busted

😭

[stray copper]

Since the devs already tweeted saying she’s getting nerfed next week I can’t wait to 1 v 1 a lot of people post patch lol

[limpid dune]

If other plataformer fighting games have tought me is that it doesn't matter that much if a fighter is light, if he's good he's good (Examples being mr game and watch on ultimate, puff on meele or even gizmo on multiversus)

But I don't know man, his combo game is amazing, his confirms are amazing and she can follow everything most of the time cuz she is fast and has good options to cover most of the stage (a fair that covers for some time, up air if you want to be fast and up b on air if you want to cover A LOT of space on the air)

I don't think she is as bad as you say, you keep telling me she is not top 5 but everyone who has good experience on the game rn is saying she is, if you want examples you can tell me

But I want to know then, what do you think harley is, an A- tier? cuz she is way better than most of the characters and she is not as bad as morty or taz

[stray copper]

tbh i dont even know how good harley is but i know that there isnt a worse matchup for me than harley

if you couldnt tell i play jason

i get inifnit'ed to 90 then die to a single confirm

cant even di out of it, or at the earliest get out at like 70

unplayable matchup

ive asked like 8 dif harley players and i genuinely never got a good awnser of how i could improve against harley

every single person told me that the matchup is tough and thats about it 💀

[frozen yarrow]

The Harley players defending their queen rn

[stray copper]

yo i dont play harley but whats ur guys weakness

i play black adam but damn she is the only tough matchup i have other than WW

[reef vessel]

any tips against gizmo? i jsut cant in this matchup

hes so small and always run using hi sprojectiles

😭

[opal pier]

If it's a light character and they are midway up yes

And the Nair neutral combo isn't a true 0 to D isn't it?

Especially as a light they usually fly away too far from knockback

[buoyant sable]

[carmine tapir]

her what

[opal pier]

Bugs loop

[carmine tapir]

oh him

yea no its just like really good

[sand lichen]

why is this fellass slide so busted i do not enjoy fighting this fella

[void veldt]

Any Harleys wanna 1v1?

[stray copper]

Say what you want about Harley but she’s kinda hot

[void veldt]

Harleys hot

[stray copper]

I also like the way she walks/runs

[south folio]

Any advice on dealing with Banana Guard? He seems super horizontal and he's hard to get the drop on even vertically

Harley's slide can't do much. I feel like your best option is getting really good at using her dodge side special signature.

[regal crag]

i just try to use the balloons for safety while i aim dair to interrupt him. it's worked for me but im probably just getting lucky.

[formal laurel]

I just jump up and use glove most of the time against banana other than that I can only think of whiff punishing

[carmine tapir]

wait for them to whiff and then use dair

[turbid wing]

She IS top 5, u said she’s number 1😭😭😭😭😭

But she takes skill. Ur not j gonna pick up harley n know what to do

[cosmic river]

harley is one of the easiest, most forgiving characters in the game

[neat trench]

The downplay is insane

[carmine tapir]

correct

harley goated

[turbid wing]

So u mean to tell me you can just pick up harley, start comboing n doing bomb setups without any guidance

@neat trench @cosmic river

[neat trench]

Yeah

[turbid wing]

Ok

[cosmic river]

just from playing against the character yes. youre acting like its some big brain setups or something lol. every harley does the same thing

dair, sair, jab 1,2, dtilt, up tilt, up air

how am i doing so far?

[turbid wing]

bad

thats dodgeable and diable

@cosmic river

[cosmic river]

its diable huh

[carmine tapir]

wait nuh uh

[cosmic river]

whatever that means lmao

i stand by my point the character is easy

its a byproduct of being safe on most everything very little risk, massive rewards

same thing with WW and most of the top tiers in this game

[neat trench]

DIable means you can DI it

[cosmic river]

they take little risk and make very little decisions in a match

[neat trench]

But basically everything is DIable

TyMier is a downplayer fr

[turbid wing]

Bro doesn’t know what di is. Ofc she’s gonna b broken 2u😭

[carmine tapir]

ok but like its not tho

once dair hits u cant really do anything lol

[cosmic river]

maybe if you knew how to communicate lol. can be DI'd is what you were looking for

[neat trench]

If I could understand "diable" then theres nothing wrong with it

[cosmic river]

am i wrong?

[neat trench]

Ah he blocked me lmao

[carmine tapir]

also thats like completely right idk what hes yapping about

[cosmic river]

i thought so thank you

pick up a mid tier in this game and play some good people to see how carried you are on this character

[carmine tapir]

😭 im waiting for nerfs bc people always yap about how broken she is

like obviously i agree with them but also im just playing her cus shes fun to me

[turbid wing]

I didn’t block u

[neat trench]

I was talking about the guy struggling to read "diable"

[cosmic river]

nothing wrong with that. im sure she is fun 👍

[silent flare]

i wish she was broken, maybe i just suck with her but against finn and banana guard i stand no chance

mostly cuz they spam

[wary furnace]

Same, though banana guard is annoying to everyone

Even if you play good against him he just hits you twice and then side air and you're dead

[silent flare]

yep

harleys hit boxes are so broken as in bad

like stuff that should be hitting just doesnt

so annoying

and shes getting nerfed

also anyone know the best perks for her?

[carmine tapir]

glove control/confetti is preference

then snowball/ignite is also preference but probably snowball, other 2 perks are default

[silent flare]

that air control sig no good?

[carmine tapir]

its good

but confetti is also good

confetti u need to pay attention to tho otherwise it ruins ur combos

[silent flare]

what does that one do?

cant see rn cuz maintenance

[carmine tapir]

after hitting uair/dspc/nspc it applies confetti to them

then after hitting them 4 times they explode vertically

so if ur not paying attention to the effect then it gets them out of ur combo

[silent flare]

i kinda suck at combos

[formal laurel]

On other Harley news she wasn’t nerfed this maintenance

[carmine tapir]

patch was a whole lotta nothing

[silent flare]

just the standard side jab 4 hit combo and then up jab up special

air

[formal laurel]

Yeah not much changed outside of ig lol

[carmine tapir]

jab 3x > dtilt > utilt is an easy one

dair > sair > dtilt > utilt is also another one u can learn easy

[silent flare]

i ain gon lie son

idk what the fucck dtilt is

or utilt

[outer timber]

seems like harley is dindt get anything

this patch

[carmine tapir]

dtilt is her slide and utilt is her up light

[silent flare]

the one u can charge

[carmine tapir]

with like platform game notations you have the directional (n,u,s,d) and then the key (tilt,spc,air)

[carmine tapir]

yeah

[silent flare]

so jab = tilt

in my head

ok

[carmine tapir]

are u kbm or controller

[silent flare]

controller

[carmine tapir]

xbox?

[silent flare]

ye

[carmine tapir]

tilt/light/a/atk are all the same thing

its just x on ur controller

[silent flare]

yeah

special is y

[carmine tapir]

jab is stilt

[silent flare]

oh ok gotcha

[indigo crater]

Ahh yes, its time for combo game to get gutted

[silent flare]

calm down lil man

[indigo crater]

Nah

Id win

[silent flare]

u aint gojo lil bro

[stray copper]

Didn’t happen cope and learn to dodge her

[indigo crater]

Guess well find out

[unique imp]

did they buff her.

[silent flare]

no changes to the baddie

[unique imp]

they should of nerfed her

most pros agree she is top 4 at the minimum 😭😭

[silent flare]

they shouldve had margot robbie voice her

[silent flare]

thats a bad thing?

[indigo crater]

She is not a voice actor

[silent flare]

every game has the "best" characters

[unique imp]

well no because theres always gonna be a top 4 ect but yk comparison wise how come they nerfed lebron but not her?

[silent flare]

2 totally different characters

lebron needed a nerf

people just dont know how to fight against harley

[unique imp]

alr bro

you just

cancer

[silent flare]

i dont have it

[unique imp]

aint no debate lmao if u just finna say "oh b-b-but 2 different characters"

theres zero point towards that

[silent flare]

are they not?

[unique imp]

its a fg.

every character is a different character

theres no point there

[silent flare]

thats my point

[unique imp]

this applys to lebron

[unique imp]

thats not a point

[silent flare]

all characters need their changes respectively

i need to change my diaper

brb

[unique imp]

💀

[silent flare]

ok back

what changes do harley need

if u had to make some

[cosmic river]

devs play harley confirmed

[carmine tapir]

devs are meatriding harleen quinzel confirmed

removed every inf but hers

devs please keep glazing her

[formal laurel]

At most speed she is fine otherwise

[lyric copper]

Make her a paraplegic

😭
🙏

[stray copper]

??? They didn’t remove bugs infinite loops this patch he still has it. All they did was fix the safe bug when safe kept hitting more than 6 times

Superman has a loop

Bugs has a loop

[carmine tapir]

bugs one u can DI out of i thought

[stray copper]

No it’s definitely true at a certain percentage

[carmine tapir]

and i forgot superman existed no one plays him

[stray copper]

Yeah they definitely nerfed him pretty hard. He was top 1 open beta so I guess they just made him worse

[formal laurel]

I run into him more often than ww recently lol not surprised you forgot though

[carmine tapir]

ww every other game bro idk what ur on about

[stray copper]

I run into him too but he’s not as wild and odee as he was in open beta. He’s definitely top of A tier but not S like he was in open beta. His armor isn’t that much of an issue anymore and his grab his easier to get around

[formal laurel]

Was meaning my experience I understand that you may get her more

[stray copper]

Yeah I get WW 24/7 five days a week

[formal laurel]

Honestly now that I think about it I have been getting ww like once every 10 or so matches

[stray copper]

Yeah bro she’s cracked. The lasso nerf I think doesn’t do anything. It just makes it harder for her to combo off it. She still has true ladder combos, great kill power, amazing knock back, still has the best armor in the game and she still can kill at 40

Wonder Woman mains lost their minds when she got the lasso nerf. Saying she’s bad now and that she’s not top 1 anymore. The lasso nerf I don’t think did much imo

[formal laurel]

Fully agreed I also think they over nerfed her lasso but don’t think the nerf really changed basically anything for her

[wet coral]

Is there a way to deal with batman dair spam as Harley? just played against one who basically only did that all match and know I could've very well beat him

[stray copper]

They nerfed his dive kick since open beta. He has way more end lag and is very punishable now. With that being said, up b trades with him or you can just move out the way and space it right, then punish him with slide. Thats what I do. I’ve had a Batman try doing the same thing. He lost. It’s super easy to punish once you know he can’t do anything after

[wet coral]

Got it. had no idea what to do with that, ty for the advice

[stray copper]

💯

[cosmic river]

lasso nerf wont change a thing with her

[wet coral]

WW "nerf" won't do anything

Upb and dtilt need a nerf more than anything

Not to mention her ungodly armor

[stray copper]

It won’t

[opal pier]

It's a super safe balance update to start out

They clearly didn't want to upset anyone or hit anyone's character too hard

[indigo crater]

Bugs and Harley need their up airs gutted

But theyll get to do that lol

[carmine tapir]

harley uair is ass but her usig is insane for no reason

[indigo crater]

usig?

[carmine tapir]

actually i lied uair is good too

[carmine tapir]

the bat

[indigo crater]

Alot of up airs are too good right now because the game is so floaty

and fast fall is terrible

[cosmic river]

except lebron players. they killed him even though his win rate is lowest in the game

[cosmic river]

yall are done for next patch lmao

[carmine tapir]

we cooked

[drifting garden]

You just used WR as an example for Lebron but Harley has a low winrate too 🤔

[frozen yarrow]

She has a pretty middle of the pack win rate

It's definitely not low

[drifting garden]

Was sub 50% last I checked

[cosmic river]

inside man says shes gonna get hit next patch

[stray copper]

might sound weird, but there is without a doubt some foul play going on

yesterday, harleys winrate was at a clean 52%

earlier today, it was at 48%

now its at 46%

literally within a day going down by a full 6%

obviously not normal

she has a far higher wr than 46%

nvm back at 48 now

[void veldt]

probably because it's summer vacation for most schools, so kids might be playin in the mornin.

[mossy cairn]

WHO IS EZRA_13

[hoary coral]

where do you check those statistics?

[frozen yarrow]

Bros onto absolutely nothing

[neat trench]

Me

[mossy cairn]

bro you just jumped off the map the moment the match started

i was playing rick

[turbid wing]

o

[mossy cairn]

like 4 times immediate

[neat trench]

Oh man good thing I'm Zypten and not Ezra_13

[silent flare]

got em!

hahahaha

[carmine tapir]

that doesnt sound right

shes been at like 49 for a long time

[tacit python]

where we see character winrates

[summer elbow]

2400th message 🥶🔥🗣

[tropic tulip]

Mid character, can't.combo or kill wit her

[stray copper]

ginormous skill issue

[tropic tulip]

No?

[stray copper]

it absolutely is

no character has better combos than harley

you are just skill issued bro

[tropic tulip]

Uhhh every character does

Except maybe stripe

Because he doesnt really combo he just hits hard

[stray copper]

ok you are just ragebaiting

not gonna entertain this

[tropic tulip]

No?

[carmine tapir]

he either trolling or he playing without eyes

[stray copper]

just ragebait i think

[neat trench]

Tracker.gg

[outer timber]

he said something similar on the bugs bunny chat

"Why does bugs have no comboes or kill options"

[devout comet]

Don't blame the character for the fact that you're bad at playing her

I ain't touch her till three days ago and have been killing with her. What's your excuse?

[stray copper]

Or maybe you’re just bad she’s super easy to kill with

[buoyant sable]

his monitor is off

[tropic tulip]

I said it in every channel but I got so much hate in this one :(

[lyric copper]

So I’ve been playing Harley after playing a bunch of Finn since the game dropped and let me say this character needs to be gutted

Praying on the downfall of Harley

[waxen summit]

im litterally about to drop harley

no kill power at all

every kill is at 120+ and still wont die

[autumn wigeon]

you buggin

as a garnet main Im honestly waiting for her ahh to get nerfed

honestly I think for now imma play as her too

[waxen summit]

harley nerfed?

you dont even have a reason why

[autumn wigeon]

"no kill power"

she can absolutely blast you away

she's a perfect assassin

in my opinion

[stray copper]

no way you take the charachter with some of the easiest combos and kill confirms and say she has no combos or kill confirms 💀

[tropic tulip]

Way

[stray copper]

bait used to be believable

[grave cradle]

Gizmo

[stray copper]

oh no little timmy is skill issued and cant spam his way through the bots anymore, now he actually has to use his brain to win matches

playing one of the best characters in this game and still complaining is insane to me man

i play jason and i dont complain nearly as much as some of the privileged people in these s tier character channels man

[stray copper]

atleast there's productive discussion in the ww channel sometimes 💀 everything else is just pointless complaining

[autumn wigeon]

opp

[turbid wing]

Harley takes skill

[tulip plover]

the game hasnt even been out that long why are you taking about tiers lol

its been one week chill out

[stray copper]

are you telling me that banana guard is an objectively worse character than velma?

[tulip plover]

???

[stray copper]

you can tell the general direction characters belong in

[tulip plover]

i like pancakes so i must hate waffles

[stray copper]

you know velma suck, and you know banana guard is really strong, even if its just been 2 weeks since release

[tulip plover]

real af

use your brain

when did i say that lmao

[stray copper]

you are not reading what im saying, i was just using them as an example

[tulip plover]

im just saying its super early into the games lifespan

stuff will change

[stray copper]

you know about the general direction that characters belong on a tier list, you know that somebody like wonder woman will be in s tier because she is an overall extremly powerful character, more labbing is not going to change that fact

[tulip plover]

ww is literally just beta harley but slower

[stray copper]

she gets privileges that other characters dont

[tulip plover]

and thats why she just got minor nerfs???

[stray copper]

she got minor nerfs because the devs know she is too strong, but they cant completly rework her kit because its too early

which goes back to what ive said before

[tulip plover]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

[stray copper]

you know the general direction, but not everything

and you can very confidently say that someone like ww will stay in s for now

more experience wont change it

winrates will balanace out but a character doesnt get weaker with experience

[tulip plover]

its too early to sort everyone into tiers, especially since this isn't a traditional fg

but buffs and nerfs will come

[stray copper]

agree to disagree then i suppose

you cant know the exact placement of each character WITHIN a tier, but i do absolutely think that you can sort most characters into tiers

[tulip plover]

you can certainly go "this mu feels bad" or "this character feels particularly weak"

[summer elbow]

do y'all think there are actually balanced characters? And not broken or weak af?

[tulip plover]

but who the hell is trying every character and learning everything to place them in tiers

[stray copper]

which is already a form of sorting them into tiers honestly

[stray copper]

most are balanced id say

[tulip plover]

it's somewhat balanced

[stray copper]

well it probably started with clickbait shi lmfao

[tulip plover]

but the bad characters feel REALLY bad

[summer elbow]

i completely disagree

name 3 balanced characters

[stray copper]

80% of this games roster is pretty fairly balanced, the other 20% is either busted or weak af

[tulip plover]

honestly i think the game would play so much better if everyone played like ww right now

[stray copper]

Arya, batman and superman

[stray copper]

rick, reindog, arya

[summer elbow]

arya is alright batman is broken superman is weak

[stray copper]

calling batman broken tells me what kinda player u are

[tulip plover]

why do you say that

[summer elbow]

i have never seen a reindog since beta lol

[stray copper]

Rick is a little weak and I don't count reindog because they're more balanced around 2v2s than 1v1s

[summer elbow]

I was a batman main.

[stray copper]

that tells me all I need to know ngl

[tulip plover]

learn the batman mu LOL

[summer elbow]

🤦

[stray copper]

batman is far from broken

[summer elbow]

batman is very strong

[tulip plover]

how

what makes him better than the rest

[summer elbow]

well not broken but for sure very strong i believe

[stray copper]

very strong is balanced

[tulip plover]

mhm

[stray copper]

he has weaknesses like disadvantage and his weight

[tulip plover]

this game has a pretty high power level on average

[stray copper]

to continue that conversation, havent you already formed your own like, mental tier list of characters by saying that?

[summer elbow]

instant weakness fair projectile and good kill option

[stray copper]

if you think batman is op then you haven't played a good player yet lmao

[tulip plover]

not really im very casual. I stick to traditional fgs mostly lmao

[summer elbow]

Not really very strong means needs to be slightly nerfed to be balanced

[summer elbow]

welp not op. Also I've versed many batman mains

[stray copper]

nerfing someone just because they're strong is just inviting power creeep

[tulip plover]

also im in oce so i only fight bugs and like 3 other characters

[stray copper]

strong doesn't not equal broken

[summer elbow]

i agree

so 2 options

[stray copper]

and strong also does not need a nerf

[tulip plover]

theyre pushing for everyone being strong by the looks of it

[summer elbow]

either nerf characters like this or buff the weak ones so the game depends on skill and how well you know your character

[tulip plover]

instead of nerfing everyone to be equally weak

[tulip plover]

it does depend on skill?

[summer elbow]

or buffing to be equally strong

[tulip plover]

literally what i said

[summer elbow]

kill a shaggy main with Jake bro

[tulip plover]

no?

this game doesnt have 7-3s dude

its genuinely a skill issue if youre complaining about a mu

[summer elbow]

currently there are some characters that are just weak but thats okay cuz it just came out

[summer elbow]

wdym

[summer elbow]

mu?

[tulip plover]

there arent terrible matchups

everything feels fine for the most part

unironically get better if you cant beat x character with y

[summer elbow]

🤦

What i mean is

some characters are definitely weaker than others

in the current meta

[stray copper]

what do u think about jason vs harley

[summer elbow]

i do not think anything, haven't seen the matchup tbh. Harley is currently stronger than Jason but a good Jason should be able to win

[carmine tapir]

jason gets genuinely mauled because hes just combo food

like jason is in heavy need of buffs

[stray copper]

true but ive learned that the mu is pretty doable actually

jason by no means is winning or anything, but you just gotta accept that you will be watching a cutscene half the time

the only wincon in the mu comes from the fact that if done right, jason can genuinely kill harley at 60 consistantly

100 at the very latest

also di'ing out of her combos is a must do. otherwise you just get custscened to 100

also his rage is a saving grace

so basically he can def win, its just tough

[carmine tapir]

i dont even think DI with jason matters

like hes a walking hitbox

[stray copper]

you can di up and away while in a fair -> utilt loop

makes you tank only about 40%

[carmine tapir]

im pretty sure if the harley dairs then it just resets her position

like i genuinely dont think it matters and jason just has to wait for harley to mess up

[stray copper]

is that even true anymore then?

[carmine tapir]

wdym

utilt sair dair is true but like only sometimes

like with jason it is bc hes huge asf

[stray copper]

oh i thought u were talking about utilt into dair

into utilt

never seen a harley do that then

[carmine tapir]

like idk who said that coping about MUs was a skill issue but like

sometimes it just isnt fair lol

[stray copper]

oh ye jason has it extremly rough

im also facing a steven universe in bracket now

wish me fcking luck

[carmine tapir]

idk hes cool but he probably needs like armor or something because hes like C tier max

[stray copper]

yea thats the main thing people talk about

fun fact

jason is the only tank with no armored moves

🤷‍♂️

[tulip plover]

i think its all very doable

some are harder than others but its overall pretty balanced

good characters can have bad matchups, and you can play well in bad matchups

generally you just have to play better lol

also balance doesn't mean every matchup is 5-5

[carmine tapir]

Well yea but also like

If 16/64 people in the coin box tourney were playing ww then something’s off

[tulip plover]

mm yeah thats fair

[indigo crater]

@sour gulch If I get hit with the slide past 100 am I just automatically dead?

or it just the hardest DI mix up in the game?

[stray copper]

nah ur just dead

slide up tilt up b just kills

[tulip plover]

oh is up tilt > up b real???

[carmine tapir]

Like a lot of the time

If you double jump or IAD fast enough then it is

[tulip plover]

ahhh okay

iad in platform fighter sounds so wack haha

[carmine tapir]

It doesn’t sound right but I don’t know what else to call it

[tulip plover]

yeah fair enough

[carmine tapir]

Like it deadass is just an IAD

[tulip plover]

do you have to guess di to connect the up b?

[carmine tapir]

Not really

It’ll just hit

Unless it doesn’t

[tulip plover]

so real lmao

[waxen summit]

stfu jus wasted yo energy typing a bunch of nothing lmao

[carmine tapir]

Please do not complain about the mechanics of an S tier fighter

[tulip plover]

to be fair nobody really cares youre dropping harley

shes strong

[carmine tapir]

Leave that copium in the reindog chats

[tulip plover]

and does what she needs to

[stray copper]

git gud.

[waxen summit]

You must be a top player ?

Right?

Lemme see stats😭

[carmine tapir]

Only time you have to guess DI is with like a usig juggle

[tulip plover]

ahh okie

[formal laurel]

I don’t think telling someone to git gud implies they are a top player nor does it require they are one

[carmine tapir]

I’m gonna lie boompp might be right

[waxen summit]

That's saying he's really nice at the game, is it not

?

I never said Harley was bad

[tulip plover]

you can be good without being a top player????

[waxen summit]

I just played like 5 matches in a row, and there at 120+ and wouldn't fly off

[carmine tapir]

Saying she has no kill power might just be copium

[stray copper]

https://imgur.com/a/Dls3OSR here is my current winrate

[tulip plover]

she has no kill power (off the side)

[carmine tapir]

She has like 3 true kill confirms

[waxen summit]

To talk down on others you gotta be crazy at the game ngl, that goes for All games

[carmine tapir]

Also wrong

[tulip plover]

crazy at traditional fighters

[tulip plover]

ooo what does she have

i havent messed around too much

is it just button > neutral attack

[carmine tapir]

If you can sair off map then the auto combo is really good

Or sair > nair

[tulip plover]

oh yeah sair third hit is pretty nice

[carmine tapir]

Or sair > gc stilt > ntilt

[stray copper]

i guess hes not gonna respond after i showed my winrate lmao

[tulip plover]

its just quite rare for me to be in a situation where its easier for me to kill off the side than top

[waxen summit]

I genuinely can't see anything, I'm squinting my eyes

Istg😭

[carmine tapir]

Ehh it’s just to be flashy I guess

[waxen summit]

Lmao

[carmine tapir]

Or edgeguard chasing

[tulip plover]

haha thats so valid

[stray copper]

https://imgur.com/a/TeFaCUV

[carmine tapir]

Ragebait use to be somewhat believable

[waxen summit]

Is this with Harley ?

[stray copper]

jason, i dont play harley

[waxen summit]

Then what are you yapping about 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

bro I'm crying 😭

[stray copper]

oh so just because i dont main the character my opinion is completly invalid?

[tulip plover]

"you have to be good to talk like that"

[waxen summit]

Stand on what I said

[tulip plover]

"waaaaahhhh but its not on my characterrrrr"

[waxen summit]

The convo is about Harley?

Being good with Harley ?

[stray copper]

is a 70% winrate not good?

[waxen summit]

Am I trippin lmao

I can't be one trippin rn

[tulip plover]

you just said be good

[waxen summit]

Y'all are trolls bruh

[tulip plover]

you even said not just at mv

[waxen summit]

You got it😭

If you say so bro

🙏🏽😭

[stray copper]

ight whatever not gonna entertain this

[carmine tapir]

Guys why are we falling for ts

[stray copper]

its turning into rangebait

[waxen summit]

Ok

[stray copper]

rage

[waxen summit]

Bait?

No I'm jus losing brain cells wit a 14 year old

This is crazy😭

[tulip plover]

i like arguing :3

[waxen summit]

Bro tryna break something down to me about a character he don't play

Let's be frl

I understand if it was anybody else trying to educate me on he kills, but your not the one

😭

[stray copper]

just blocked him so its whatever

[waxen summit]

Bro a lame

😭

[cosmic river]

skill issue

[jovial finch]

Harley Quinn mains are rumored to discover side and down aerials in the near future

[waxen summit]

literally just happened again, had the man at 130 and he wouldn't die

🤷🏽‍♂️I stand on what i said

when other characters are getting me so early

Before 100

[cosmic river]

learn to read dodges. you have one of the best recovery attacks in the game

if you cant do it with harley idk. gonna have to swap to WW or something lmao

[carmine tapir]

thats literally like

not even a problem with her

??

[waxen summit]

what are you about to yap about now smh

I said what I said bro, it keeps happening

Over n over

whether I read the dodge or not, they won't fly off

but if I pick so many other characters at 120 they die

but I have the most fun playing Harley🤷🏽‍♂️

[carmine tapir]

cool thats not a problem with harley thats just a thing ur bad at doing

dtilt usig is literally a kill confirm at 120

[cosmic river]

maybe this just isnt the game for you...

[carmine tapir]

dair nspc usig detonate kills starting at like 80

sair nair is an insane offstage

[waxen summit]

I'm literally new, y'all play this every day 24/7

I'm still learning but I peeped what I peeped

compared to other characters

And I'm coming from MK and tekken

🤷🏽‍♂️

[carmine tapir]

cool but when u were complaining u said it was a problem with harley and not ur skill level

[waxen summit]

I don't think my skill is the problem thoe

[carmine tapir]

she has weak points but juggling and kill confirming isnt one of those 😭

[waxen summit]

I can show clips

[carmine tapir]

send them in #clips

[waxen summit]

bet I gotta trim up everything

[cosmic river]

lol yeah obviously not

[waxen summit]

Do you wanna fight ?

[cosmic river]

it must be the character

[waxen summit]

we can run the 1s if you want honestly, use Harley

Show me I'm the problem simple 🤷🏽‍♂️

[stray copper]

youd think that at some point, after every single person in this channel has disagreed with you for hours straight, the cogs in his head would start turning and he would think about the fact that maybe it really is just him, and not the character

[cosmic river]

nah im good youd probably stomp me

[carmine tapir]

cant be him because he said it wasnt

[waxen summit]

Is somebody that has me "blocked" still yapping about me ???

😭😭😭😭

can't be a real person

[waxen summit]

There hasn't been times where you couldn't get the kill at high damage ?

multiple times at that?

[carmine tapir]

whenever that happens its just my fault lol it has nothing to do with her character

[stray copper]

i think its funny how you admit to being new, then saying that we all play this game 24/7, and still disagreeing with us on literally anything

[carmine tapir]

she literally has 3 true ladder kill confirms

[stray copper]

the irony is truly through the fcking roof with you

[waxen summit]

My boy, you literally have me blocked, don't even worry about what I'm talkin about wit the others 😭

[stray copper]

trying to exclude me from the convo when im the one that started it all by calling you garbage

[waxen summit]

if ya say so man

[stray copper]

yepyep

[carmine tapir]

?? so its just copium

[waxen summit]

You were excluded once you "blocked" me, what can't you process

[carmine tapir]

if u want me to actually help u then send the clips

otherwise ur just trying to ragebait lol 😭

[waxen summit]

I am I just have to trim, on ps

[stray copper]

why cant you process that you suck and need to stop blaming your own shortcomings on the character?

[waxen summit]

Please stop running wit everything you hear on tiktok🙏🏽

[waxen summit]

Hop on

[stray copper]

coming from the guy that says yapping to everything we say lul

[waxen summit]

Let's run the 1s, you should 3 stock me istg

Are you gonna hop on??

Or nah

[stray copper]

its 3am, not getting on for an idiot like you

dm me tomorrow and im down

[waxen summit]

Hop on tmr then, idc when😭

Not 3am for me🤷🏽‍♂️

[tulip plover]

we're still going on about this??

[shadow folio]

What’s high damage because high damage for Harley isn’t the same high damage for like Jason

Harley should have a hard time to kill she racks up damage crazy fast

While characters like Jason are easily readable and punishable but can kill you super early

[carmine tapir]

define hard time to kill

[indigo crater]

I mean the character is kinda op right now

Its not rocket science

[carmine tapir]

i dont think theres anything shes bad at

[indigo crater]

The new game speed removes her old weaknesses

She kills at 90 and is still fast when everyone got slower

and her up special cant be punished

But hey, im not a pro player, feel free to say im wrong and bad lol

[carmine tapir]

no thats pretty much it

[shadow folio]

Having to carry someone to the end of the stage to kill even at high percentages

Which isn’t Harley rn

Which is why she’s broken

[stray copper]

confetti explosion is kinda slept on from what I see

scored tons of kills off of it If you can chain it right

[gray bobcat]

Does anyone know why harley Quinn still has glove control as one her signature even tho she doesn't even have that move no more?

[shadow folio]

What

Dair is still in the game

Which is what that perk affects iirc

[stray copper]

huh

dair is still in the game??

it still works fine lol

[gray bobcat]

wtf is diar

Oh I see didnt realize that was a gloves oops

[stray copper]

Dair is down air

[opal pier]

Wooo

I love Harley Dair spammers

Why tf does this move hit in a 360

[formal laurel]

Do you mean nair?

[opal pier]

Must he

Whatever the hammer is

Every Harley game they be spamming it

[formal laurel]

Yeah the hammer is neutral dair is the glove that goes below them

[opal pier]

💀

I hate playing against this character 99% because of the hitbox

And the ungodly dash Nair spam

[shadow folio]

I just hate the upair and the slide is basically guaranteed death at like 80 on lighter characters

[cosmic river]

the slide just low profiles so many moves. it makes me sick

[stray copper]

free parry 💀

the slide is a RPS on parry, di out and di up

I think around 110 though slide utilt up b is just true

[opal pier]

Tell that to the input buffer

[stray copper]

you have well over 30 frames to react to nair

[opal pier]

Still shouldn't hit in a 360💀

I mean ik the hitboxes in this game are goofy

[shadow folio]

There’s like a small portion of it that doesn’t hit behind her I think

[stray copper]

this is actually just a case of don't let it be you

[shadow folio]

Not excusing the ridiculousness of that

[stray copper]

behind her head is the blind spot

and behind her feet is the sweet spot that explodes you

[opal pier]

So only almost a 360 lol

[stray copper]

you should only be getting hit by that move in 2v2s lmao

[opal pier]

When you can't dodge up or behind or still get hit then no

[stray copper]

parry or dodge out

or just run away 💀

the move is reasonably laggy if it doesn't get autocanceled

[opal pier]

Yeah lemme run away to a move when she is on top of me that hits in almost a 360🤓

[stray copper]

yes exactly I don't see your point

[opal pier]

Or dodge out a move that hits in a 360 so almost any dodge will still get you hit

[stray copper]

dodge away??? parry????

[opal pier]

I just said why you can't dodge

The active frames are longer then the dodge

And with it hitting in a full circle any dodge direction you still get hit

[stray copper]

you know you can Directional dodge right?

[opal pier]

😐

No really?

[stray copper]

clearly you haven't tried it 🤡

[opal pier]

What's your user

[stray copper]

why

[opal pier]

So we can play a nice match

Soo

[stray copper]

why do we need to play a game

not even home

[opal pier]

Because it's fun

[stray copper]

uh huh...

[opal pier]

Well what's your user for later then

[stray copper]

so you can mash nair and look stupid?

[opal pier]

No

[stray copper]

AweDude77

[opal pier]

Why would I do that I don't play Harley

[stray copper]

oh nah 💀💀

you did not come into the Harley main chat, get advice on how to avoid a move and go (to the people who use the move) "nuh uh!!!!"

[opal pier]

huh

I meant if we are playing 1v1 why would I use Harley

[indigo crater]

You can di up and away in the direction she hits you. It doesnt kill

You fly just far enough away to where her dash jump into up special whiffs SOMETIMES

[stray copper]

weird, I'm going to lab that later

I usually prefer to just finish of combos with bat bomb as it kills earlier and it's a true 50/50 on if they airdodge or not

[carmine tapir]

new bomb like makes me mad with how situational it is

[stray copper]

you can fair dtilt up tilt up b into the explosion from 60-100 on middle weights and if you have confetti active on 1/5 and only hit the second hit of fair it because true because of the explosion

[stray copper]

I like it, it's a reversal tool, combo finisher, and can do simple one-two combos into up b that kill at like 90

[carmine tapir]

i think her bomb stick combo might kill starting at like 75

but like its so inconsistent now

[stray copper]

assuming you can set up for it it would probably kill earlier

[carmine tapir]

im talking about dair > bomb stick > usig > detonate

[stray copper]

that's a thing at all?

[carmine tapir]

yeah

someone has a clip of it somewhere hold on

[gritty mural]

best harley perks? running pugilist speed force assist and thats flammable doc

• glove control

[carmine tapir]

switch from ignite to snowball

everything else is fine, confetti/glove control is preference based on whether u prefer neutral game or kill power

[stray copper]

flammable isn't too good

since you get ignite off of confetti anyways

glove control neutral is something else

the dodge perk is kidna slept on too imo

[indigo crater]

Harley does not have a hitbox anymore when using her slide

or when using her neutral special in the air

Its pretty bad lol

[tulip plover]

oh we run snowball now?

why's that

[stray copper]

ignite was never good

[torpid pilot]

Is there a notsentimental in here

Lol

[stray copper]

maybe in doubles

[buoyant sable]

rip ignite

[teal stone]

Can't wait for ranked to come out so yall quinn mains can't one and done anymore 🤬

[stray copper]

they will just in bronze 💀

[carmine tapir]

Did math

Only time ignite does more is if you dair like ever third move

[stray copper]

ignite (I'm assuming you mean the perk where projectile + melee) never made sense to run on Harley for me because her projectiles + uair already start ignite

I guess if you run confetti maybe

[hidden hull]

Doesn't it stack ?

[carmine tapir]

it does

but its only ever outdamaging snowball if u spam dair every 3-4 moves

if thats ur playstyle then i would use ignite yea but like most people arent doing that so snowball ends up being better

[sly vault]

Harley is probably in my top 3 favorites I play. Followed by Bats, Rick and Morty, and Velma. I was in the original beta test for the game and ALL the characters I enjoy have had significant changes made to them. For the sake of brevity I am gonna say that I still love Harley as an Assassin. She was one of the first that I gravitated towards in game because I love the character and superheroes in general. I only generally play PVE and the PVP I do isn't usually the ranked level-type PVP. That's my two bits!

[hidden hull]

doesn't snowball only add 7 damage if you do a 100 damage

it's almost nothing :/

[neat trench]

Is there such thing as a Harley that rematches when a match is close? Like are all of you just scared of losing your non-existent ELO?

[carmine tapir]

no its +7%

which like i guess yea actually

but also the only time you dair is going into a combo

[hidden hull]

bat puppet and trap doesn't prock it anymore ?

[carmine tapir]

they proc her ignite passive but not the ignite perk

only ssig and dair do

someone checked and if you do her dtilt utilt sair dair loop then ignite will do more

but in every other case snowball does

[hidden hull]

I personally i feel press the advantage is the superior perk it might not be useful in every match but 7 damage for causing a 100 is as much bad as every other perk imo that people trash on

at least press the advantage can help you kill some heavy character

[carmine tapir]

i think apache used it at some point

[stray copper]

guys hear me out don't nerf slide just make it cost some dodge bar

[cosmic river]

nope. delete it

did she not have that move in the beta? i never remember seeing it

[carmine tapir]

she had it

but it was useless because short hops were a thing

[shadow folio]

Wait is that a thing for other characters

Cause I swear I feel like I run out of dodge meter so fast on stripe

[summer elbow]

guys harley is weak and needs buffs. ( devs please see this message and don't nerf the s out of harley 🙏☠️)

[stray copper]

honestly only "outrageous" thing about Harley is the slide combos

[stray copper]

Saying she is weak is a bit odee. She’s definitely not weak at all, she’s definitely very strong but the nerfs. I can’t think of what they could possibly nerf. Her side b is useless now, bomb is crazy slow and easy to punish, box moves up now. The only thing she’s got is her combo game. They probably will nerf the slide combo into up b

I better see a bugs nerf. He can loop nair and dair for days and do a dair into his projectile into up air (bat) kill at 50. Bat needs a nerf. Literally its beta bugs up air all over again only it’s better because of now. The hit box on that up air is bigger and wider than a house

[summer elbow]

i am obiously joking dude

[stray copper]

How are we supposed to know that? 😂 everytime I come into here it’s always a argument about Harley being broken and not being broken. It’s always either people defending that she’s not broken or people saying she is broken and needs nerfs

[summer elbow]

check the message in the parenthesis

[stray copper]

But that’s hard because charge slide is so punishable by just jumping over it and dair

[stray copper]

Yeah I saw that. They will nerf her anyway because there’s too much complaining they gotta do something

[summer elbow]

i know sadly

[stray copper]

They will nerf the slide combo most likely. You probably won’t be able to cancel moves out of slide anymore. Calling it now that up smash into up b will no longer be true. 1-2 combo routes they will nerf. Once they do that. She’s B tier at best. The rest of her moves got nerfed hard

Since open beta

[vital dome]

Anyone here can you teach me to use Harley because I need tips on her and can I become better

[turbid wing]

Watcha need

[vital dome]

Like tip on her combos and over all perks

[gloomy roost]

This character is so annoying bro

The freaking hammer move she does to hit below her is so broken

[vital dome]

Ik right

[cosmic river]

id say dair is pretty outrageous too

[severe fossil]

Nah, dair was nerfed too. Less range, seemingly less knockback value too.

[cosmic river]

and slide is ridiculous. basically impossible to parry because you can mix up the timing. free combo/kill confirm if it lands. and a disgusting low profile aspect to it that just goes under many projectiles and jabs

[cosmic river]

the range is still massive? and it easy confirms into massive damage, has almost instant recovery so you can contest people trying to whiff punish. its one of her best moves and one of the best moves in the game i think

[severe fossil]

It’s not about the damage, I said those 2 specifically because she can’t spike reliably with it anymore compared to the beta, and it quite literally does not travel as far anymore.

Doesn’t matter how it is in a combo since that doesn’t need a ton of kbv in that regard.

As for whiff punish, she still has more vulnerability than before her nerf in beta where she had, what was it? Like 20-25 frames of whiff recovery on dair specifically because people complained about her combo game back then?

[cosmic river]

alright lets do a little thought excercise. name a character that has a better dair

this character does not deserve to be this strong with how easy she is to play. ive played so many games against harley online and only fought a handful that are actually thinking and making decisions when playing. most of them just completely flowchart and its surprisingly effective if youre not playing another top tier character

[summer elbow]

have an open monitor

[summer elbow]

taz 💯💯

[cosmic river]

taz players would trade for harleys dair in a heartbeat. any other character would. its a crazy strong move

[summer elbow]

overreacting bro

its nerfed

[severe fossil]

Sorry, had to do something for my parents (rent is bs where I live).

Otherwise, doesn’t Bat Boy straight up kill from his dair whether or not you’re on the stage after a percentage?

I charge Harley’s dair when someone’s trying to recover from the wall at 140, they bounce off the wall and still recover fine instead of getting rocketed into the blast zone like they should.

That should still be a factor irregardless of “it’s in her combo”.

Plus, not counting ladders that pretty much everyone can do now rather than a Batboy/Stark/Harley/Bugs thing, she still has to work hard for her kills unlike a good portion of the roster (or at least the current S and A tiers).

She’s also a character that you can pick up and play, but considering she’s absurdly light, playing poorly with her will get you rung out faster than anyone else as well. She still needs a brain to play well enough.

[lyric copper]

I just mirror matched Harley 4 times in a row

Jesus Christ free me from this nightmare

[stray copper]

nah I'm fine with dair combos they're pretty hard to get right

you can literally combo into and out of slide

I think it's broken in terms of the utility she can get out of it, but not the move itself

[stray copper]

Wonder Woman is broken

sorry you can't get good at the game

[fluid pewter]

The fact it goes sooooo far also feels kinda whacky to me

[carmine tapir]

flowchart is like

oddly correct

[stray copper]

harley is kind of a flowchart charachter?

i do see what you mean though

[carmine tapir]

wait hold on

[cosmic river]

its not even kind of. you could program an AI to play this character optimally. you dont have to make any decisions

[summer elbow]

not really

[cosmic river]

great point

denial is always the last step in the harley flowchart

[summer elbow]

guilty 😔🙏

[stray copper]

play the character? definitely. optimally? maybe not

well i guess it depends on how you play harley, if you just go for mindless mash buttons unga bunga ladder combo you probably could

but i play harley more like a trapper/whiff punisher, waiting for openings then messing you up

[opal pier]

Oh nah

9800 Harley wins

[cosmic river]

this is 98% of harley players from my experience. only fought a handful that were actually playing the game and not flowcharting

[stray copper]

Sorry you’re down playing a broken character

[stray copper]

You play Fortnite 💀 that explains a lot

Someone talking from a non experienced platform fighter

Cringe

Keep downplaying Wonder Woman

lol

[tulip plover]

i feel like this is just the channel for everyone to get mad at each other

[stray copper]

I play smash and rivals way more than I play fortnite but sure 💀

if you can't cope just say so

[balmy river]

Hello fellow fair / up air spammers

[carmine tapir]

dawg what the rizz is rivals

[stray copper]

rivals of aether

[tulip plover]

i like it here everyone is so argumentative and annoying 🥰

[severe fossil]

Rivals is a fun game, memory leaks suck though

[severe fossil]

Would you want to check it out at all or pass?

[turbid wing]

Harley may get nerfed guys

😦

[carmine tapir]

wohoo

[carmine tapir]

idk never heard of it so probaly not

[severe fossil]

“You are now forced to complete slide kick, sair combos, and increased recovery on dair by 10 frames, 30 on whiff.”

It’s pretty fun and the workshop heightens it over the base cast

[carmine tapir]

harley no longer has weapons and is forced to throw hands

[severe fossil]

Hasn’t she done that before in some iteration? She’s still a gymnast after all

[shadow folio]

Yeah but don’t replace the moves, so she just keeps downtilt and sair 🙏

[severe fossil]

I think you could come to like it if you find someone you can vibe with.

It does work through remote play so you don’t really need to spend a dime, just need a typically good network with the host.

[proper minnow]

What perks should I use? Harley has become my new main

[stray copper]

i reccomend just using the dodge side b untill you learn some more combos

angle dair and confetti are super good but need some adjusting

[forest rover]

Nerf Harley Queen pls

[echo sonnet]

honestly nah nerf ww

she's just not fun to play against

there is actual counter play to lower level harley's

most of the time they know a couple really basic strings

and thats it

so they rely on set up with boxes and bomb or just hard reads

ww just runs at you

if not they armor then run at you

or they lasso

i mean you can dodge that but same reasoning applies

they will just camp you till your off stage for a second and then d-tilt cause they dont know how to edge gaurd otherwise

[shadow folio]

Both

Both is good

[echo sonnet]

and like you can tell me im wrong if you want but i prefer a tough but fun match vers someone i can visibly see is worse at the game and is wining because i cant predict when that character is going to have a shield

i mean in most senairios thats just a skill issue im aware

[summer elbow]

wonder woman is def getting reworked

[echo sonnet]

but this is from lower level perspectives

[summer elbow]

they just cant rework her yet because game just released

[echo sonnet]

i mean they really what they need is just a cooldown on the armor for d-tilt and that would do wonders

cause now people can get punished for not properly spacing