Garnet

[lapis lynx]

I wouldn't say that

He's too cheesy

[crisp bronze]

on some characters he get caught 2 times and he dead

[crisp bronze]

superman is too

a lot of characters can be called cheesty

[lapis lynx]

They Don't have a burst that you can combo and kill off of though

[signal dirge]

Every character has the opportunity to snag stupid kills if you don't know their jank

This game wouldn't be mvs without it all tho

[crisp bronze]

yep

even garnet

"The most honest character"

can kill you with blshitt tech

[signal dirge]

Neutral punch. 3rd hit uptilt. Bash ladder. Star bounce gauntlets. Jab clap. Nair hitting below ledge. Dair blast hitting below ledge

There's so many ways to get an early stock on garnet

[crisp bronze]

^

[lapis lynx]

Real talk, who's getting hit by 3rd hit up tilt

[rough mason]

I got some reads off of it

But very unlikely to hit it

[lapis lynx]

Yeah

[crisp bronze]

you can full charge it

after parry

[signal dirge]

It's more common in twos aswell. Hard reading jumps over like safe rocket

Characters like ba or Smith where you hafta dodge a certain way after up special can set up lose lose situation

[exotic hemlock]

i was surprised to find out third hit up tilt could kill at 70, made me feel so dirty

[crisp bronze]

THE punch killing at 50 in question

[lapis lynx]

Love the armor on it too

[signal dirge]

Punch is the only reason to run last stand imo. Makes kills with it fast

[crisp bronze]

ladder comboses on last stand are mostly true bro

bcs aperently weekness increase stun frames

[lapis lynx]

Weaken is so good

[rough mason]

You think last stand is better then speed force assist on garnet?

[crisp bronze]

im...not sure

but

she live very long

so last stand is always good

[rough mason]

I’ve been running speed force assist but i might try last stand

[crisp bronze]

if you have problems with mobility then run speed force

if you dont then last stand

[signal dirge]

I dont feel speed force so I run electric groove to have it occasionally and then use last stand to forget about it.

[rough mason]

Garnet be feeling clunky at times without it

[rough mason]

And does anybody know the chance to get a stack with groove

[crisp bronze]

then play speed force

[signal dirge]

Speed force groove. Feels somewhat noticeable but I domt feel like more speed helps garnets issue and ur burst movement with bash and dash attack are quicker I think so the damage is probably better imo. But speed will sometimes let you air drift farther

[rough mason]

I thought marker was the only viable perk

[crisp bronze]

i still think it is
outside 5%

[icy umbra]

I didn't do extensive testing, but electric groove I think is roughly 1/3 proc chance.

[signal dirge]

If you like to manage your own abilities marker becomes a sidegrade. I use marker to stall momentum. Especially when recovering low since it hovers you. 5% is a straight damage boost.

Groove is about 20% of the time you move faster and sometimes get armor break. Good against supes

[exotic hemlock]

i feel like marker makes you forget you have star to place

ever since i equipped it i barely even use down special anymore

[signal dirge]

It's a preference thing really. I find the placing animation to be very helpful tho

You can reverse your momentum then continue right on forwards

[exotic hemlock]

oh really? kind of like aryas armor fists right?

i’ve never thought of that

[signal dirge]

It just stops you in place. Let's you hover. Try recovering low w it and it also sets up for star bounce. Which you'd hafta jab into if your playing someone good at parrying.

None the less you can jump up higher and use it to stall if you'd hafta Land into an attack but wanna freely position without being thrown left right or up

[tiny comet]

Marker also applies to opponent rocket if you bubble it and reflect it in the ditto matchup very unique very random

everything

If i could just neutral punch to win, just know i would

#clips message

[exotic hemlock]

y’all think they should add a faster cancel to down tilt

[exotic hemlock]

you know he was annoyed

[tiny comet]

Always annoyed, always get hit 😏

Demoralizer op

[lapis lynx]

[exotic hemlock]

garnet should have a perk that once she gets 2 stacks of rhythm she turns into sugilite

[rough mason]

I’m ready to play whenever you is

[rough mason]

@crisp bronze

[dark quiver]

i've just now realized that gizmo's attacks have so much prio over garnet, it's insane

[tiny comet]

That and umbrella has 0 readable and is damn near instant

It is what it is

[dense pine]

Anyone down to 1v1

[tiny comet]

[rigid storm]

🙂‍↕️💪🏾

[crisp bronze]

I can now
You pinged me on 5 AM of my time

[versed crown]

best jabs

free armor

gotta love this

[wicked tusk]

Even i'm also main ww, her side air special or her punch is really strong too

[rough mason]

By bad you available now?

[crisp bronze]

im available

[rough mason]

I’m loading up now

[rough mason]

You on console?

[crisp bronze]

pc

give your nick pls

[rough mason]

Lavaa_P @crisp bronze

[crisp bronze]

gl ^^

[rough mason]

Getting destroyed out here 😂

[crisp bronze]

we zooomin

[rough mason]

I’m not too familiar with the mirror match it’s not too many garnets out here

[crisp bronze]

true

i played few mirrors so i know it a bit

parry my beloved

oke
one more

[rough mason]

That’s was a bad one 😂

[crisp bronze]

im smooth with movement today

ggs ^^

[rough mason]

Ggs what’s your final conclusion

[crisp bronze]

that you have very good dodges but you need to work on your neutral a bit

or how to play with advantage state

[rough mason]

You talking about the neutral air

[crisp bronze]

no
neutral is state of game

[rough mason]

Ahhhhh yea I wouldn’t know what that is

[signal dirge]

Neither would fross budumtss

There's advantage and disadvantage w him. And typically ur in disadvantage

[rough mason]

😂😂😂😂

[rough mason]

Definitely didn’t feel like I had any sort of advantage

[upbeat fable]

You have one advantage

When the game is over, you're allowed to leave

[tiny comet]

😂

[fluid trail]

just tried garnet again after not playing the game for a month or two, saw y'all talking about advantage state and decided to just go ham and good god this character is a monster

[crisp bronze]

You have 2 wolfs living inside you:

One telling character is week af
Second telling she monster

[fluid trail]

bro the nair buff helps me a LOT

if you havent noticed from the few games we played a while ago i mash nair pretty hard

[runic trail]

I’ve been thinking about getting garnet ngl

Definitely not my Steven universe fan speaking LMAO

[crisp bronze]

I know, but still
This nair buff is good but not game changing.

not like we actualy needed buff for this particular move

[fluid trail]

any new garnet is welcome, just please do not pick steven

i dont like him :(

[lapis lynx]

Do it, she's so much fun

[runic trail]

I tried Steven cause he is temporarily free right now but I don’t think I vibe with him

[crisp bronze]

Well
Try her out when she will be on free rotation ^^

[runic trail]

Could try her in training mode too

[tiny comet]

[signal dirge]

She's better than you think if you master her and still really fun casually. Big punch is the most fun thing in the game

[exotic hemlock]

smith is so hard to fight

his dodge doesn’t make sense

[tiny comet]

He doobie glidin

punnnnnnch

[fluid trail]

just went against the #91 shaggy

very interesting playstyle

[tiny comet]

Nair jab jab uppercut repeat kill charge

Gets hit but doesnt die charge repeat

[fluid trail]

i took a game but lost the bo3

he didnt expect me to go offstage to chase his charge

killed him at 40 for it

😁

[lapis lynx]

They do love to charge offstage or near the Blast zones

[fluid trail]

taz sucks

why are side and up special still in the game

[crisp bronze]

taz probably top 3 character rn

he is box of crap

i swear

[fluid trail]

hes def one of garnets worst matchups

@neat igloo was that you i just fought?

also @crisp bronze u got any tips on star placement? struggling to work it into my gameplay without the marker perk

[crisp bronze]

i just put it whenevere i have cd
mostly just on stage

if you doesnt want to perma pressure like me you can place it on the wall to try cheese some kills

[fluid trail]

if thats the case i might as well just use marker

gets it off cooldown more often

[crisp bronze]

well
if it suits your playstyle then it seems good

for you

i just like to have free bonus stats

instead of QoL perk

[tiny comet]

Neutral punch dogpile, and parry/dodge or projectile to tornado

[novel copper]

I keep fighting Garnets in 2v2s and I feel bad

😔

[tiny comet]

My pointsssss

[tiny comet]

I see we lag switching in gm 👀 cause why my inputs delayed the 1 of 7 sets i played

[signal dirge]

Nah that came with the update

Also. If they try to dodge behind punish after sair 2 towards wall you can turn around dair them before they can. Neat mixup. And if you get that ingrained and they dodge outwards they are in disadvantage and you might get another sair

[tiny comet]

Had marvin wave dashing

He wave dashed into 2 times

[lapis lynx]

[signal dirge]

Good way to force sair to sair

Eventually. Picking up these small things will help me make my own advantage state. I still deny fross style

[tiny comet]

I gotta work on my wave dashing but i be playing different games

:/

[signal dirge]

I need to think of it more off platforms

[tiny comet]

I died and lost to iron giant mech because he double ground bounced at 105 off rocket fist only and instantly recovered the knockback continued to fire projectiles

[lapis lynx]

Man.

[tiny comet]

Im tired of iron giant matchup

I may win 9/10 times

[lapis lynx]

Rework giant pls

[tiny comet]

But having to kill this man at 140-200+ 6 times in ranked is annoying but not as annoying as this man getting a free combo for me hitting him

[lapis lynx]

Characters design is so unhealthy

[tiny comet]

I cry everytime

[fluid trail]

rework taz morty and giant

theyre all fundamentally broken in terms of design

you cant nerf em meaningfully without making them useless

[neat igloo]

yeah i was kinda just wingin it to get to my tourney matches gg tho

[long dagger]

Yo can someone get your homie fel

Out of our Morty channel

He keeps making fun of us

Constantly

Let homie out of discord fr fr 😭

[fluid trail]

being mean to morty mains is arguably more fun than actually playing the game

[long dagger]

Yea bros toxic

Do y’all accept this guy?

[fluid trail]

important things he's left out, I went to the channel originally talking about morty's unhealthy traits before someone else started hurling insults. Now we're here.

[long dagger]

Another thing he left out

He started hating us for playing our character

🗣️

He has been spamming us for 3 days

Let homie out of his house

Someone call his wife

[fluid trail]

have you heard of university

[long dagger]

Oh so you ain’t got nobody

Damn

Let bro out of university

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[crisp bronze]

imagine being toxic to post nerf morty

xd

[long dagger]

Bro ong

He’s been spamming us for 3 days

[autumn eagle]

It has been like this for 3 days

[long dagger]

Someone get this guy out of our chat

😭

[fluid trail]

crazy how y'all bring this to the garnet thread after several people said to stop responding

[long dagger]

You have been trashin us since 3 days

I’m not taking anymore shots

Imagine getting called stupid for playing a character that I like

[fluid trail]

i complained about his fundamentally unhealthy design and morty mains got defensive, i just had a lil fun with it

[long dagger]

This is toxicity level at it’s peak

[long dagger]

That not how he put it

[fluid trail]

morty is in desperate need of a rework

[autumn eagle]

So that’s our fault for some reason?

[upbeat fable]

True it is a morty problem

Cancel Morty

Rework this mans

[fluid trail]

i dont recall insulting you specifically, i respect you because you never personally insulted me

the one green rank guy in there i respect too

like 80% of the stuff i said over there was just to piss of the defensive one tricks like nibi and winterfall

[upbeat fable]

If someone's harrassing you for picking a character, block them and move on or report to the mods

It's not worth going to another chat to harrass him back

[autumn eagle]

It was more so the character got harassed, Morty’s got defensive

[upbeat fable]

I'm a master harasser

My name is proof

I just do it in youtube comments instead of discord chats

Cause the arguments don't take as long

[autumn eagle]

Fair

[fluid trail]

you'd love twitter

[upbeat fable]

I hate twitter

With a burning passion actually

[fluid trail]

i mean i cant blame you there

[autumn eagle]

I had a good talk with Fross about Arya but that lasted for like a few hours

[upbeat fable]

Makes me want to violently throw up my insides

[autumn eagle]

Political bird app

[upbeat fable]

Idiot bird app

[fluid trail]

i met a lot of my good online friends on twitter but the site is just a miserable cesspool since it got bought out

[upbeat fable]

Do people just not remember twitter how it was

It was just as bad

[autumn eagle]

You can meet pleasant people on twitter

[upbeat fable]

You can

[fluid trail]

i get followed by 5 bots a day

[autumn eagle]

You can also meet not so pleasant people

[upbeat fable]

But the chance is lower

Like

Insanely so

[long dagger]

How do I report

[autumn eagle]

Oh wait actually y’all

[fluid trail]

people accuse me of botting my followers just because ive given up on blocking all the nsfw bots

[autumn eagle]

ITS X

[upbeat fable]

You ping a mod and pray

Or just...

[fluid trail]

NO ITS NOT

[upbeat fable]

Block and move on

Honestly less of a headache for everyone involved

[fluid trail]

nibi hates me since i insulted his character and called him stupid so hes gonna report me till im muted or banned

[upbeat fable]

I mean hey

[long dagger]

It’s not only me

[fluid trail]

im happy to take a mute dgmw, what i said was insanely rude

[long dagger]

You did it to everyone

You can’t only blame me

[fluid trail]

i did it to the people that were rude first

[upbeat fable]

I'm probably going to get shadowbanned in Veriflied's youtube comments

[long dagger]

You were rude at first

[autumn eagle]

Make an alt

[upbeat fable]

Nibi

Block

Move on

[long dagger]

Aight

I better not see him in the chat again bro

[upbeat fable]

If he is, you have him blocked

It's a public discord

He has the right to go to every channel he has access to and say his opinions

[upbeat fable]

Honestly he'd probably notice the alt real fast

[long dagger]

His opinions shouldn’t be comprised of hating

On people who enjoy

[upbeat fable]

Welcome to the Mvs community

[long dagger]

He called us skillless

[fluid trail]

they dont, i was messing with you specifically, now please leave

[upbeat fable]

A place of hate and rage

[long dagger]

I can’t believe how people can be so rude

[autumn eagle]

So, is Garnet a good character?

[long dagger]

Y’all garnets are good btw

I’m tryna grind up to her

[fluid trail]

mid tier

[upbeat fable]

Veriflied, a youtuber with reach in this community, who is a morty main, called every Jason player skilless

[fluid trail]

LOL

no way

absolutely no way

[upbeat fable]

Yes way, he made 2 vids about it too

[fluid trail]

you gotta send me that video i gotta see it

[autumn eagle]

This is also Veriflied, he’s legendary for bad takes

[upbeat fable]

They're his newest vids

[upbeat fable]

Oh I know, I've been here day one since he's said Arya and Gizmo need weight nerfs

[fluid trail]

2 hours ago and 9 hours ago bro is obsessed

[fluid trail]

like made heavier?

or lighter?

[autumn eagle]

How much money is this man making

[upbeat fable]

Lighter

[autumn eagle]

Lighter

[fluid trail]

thats certainly one way of nerfing a character

[upbeat fable]

They're already the lightest characters in the game btw

They're tied for lightest

[autumn eagle]

Buff Iron Giant by making him heavier

[fluid trail]

honestly i agree with him, nerf their weights i want to kill them with a single up special at 60

[upbeat fable]

No

[fluid trail]

itd be funny come onnnnn

[upbeat fable]

He was also straight up lying in one of his last videos

He said Jason has been receiving constant speed buffs every patch

He made that up on the spot because he was getting dunked on by a Jason for one set

[fluid trail]

was he playing morty?

[upbeat fable]

Called him top tier, then started a road to masters to prove how skilless Jason really is by playing at hours where the worst most bot like people play, blocking every Harley and Garnet and only doing jab jab side b

[autumn eagle]

Maybe, he changes his main every Tuesday

[upbeat fable]

Yes

[fluid trail]

how do you lose to jason as morty

genuinely how is it possible

[autumn eagle]

This is Veriflied

[upbeat fable]

Skill issue

[fluid trail]

not long ago he was saying "morty vs jason is unfair this might be mortys best matchup"

[upbeat fable]

He used Arya against Bhands's hour 3 Velma and got 5-0d

[fluid trail]

im watching "i played the #1 jason!!!!" video

[autumn eagle]

How

[upbeat fable]

Cause Bhands is way better

And Veriflied can't play the character he wanted to boycott

[autumn eagle]

Didn’t he make a video about an Arya training arc

[long dagger]

Verlified dosent count as a Morty main to me

I’m sorry

But his takes

Are not it

[fluid trail]

does veriflied know what dodge reads are

[long dagger]

The only way he could of died by Jason is jab jab side special

[autumn eagle]

Possibly not

[long dagger]

But

He should of still won

[fluid trail]

hes actually a dodge spammer, like hes that bad

the morty brainrot is transferring to every other character

[upbeat fable]

He did

So he's grinded for like 10 straight hours doing just that to get to diamond 2

[crisp bronze]

lets be real
bro is delulu af

[fluid trail]

hes complaining about garnet...

[upbeat fable]

Yea

[autumn eagle]

The reason?

[long dagger]

He complains about every character

There is no reason

[fluid trail]

nair

[long dagger]

It’s when he loses

[upbeat fable]

Good against Jason

And nair

And camping

And stuff

[autumn eagle]

Wow can’t believe a characters good against Jason

[fluid trail]

garnet doesnt have a terrible camp game but i wouldnt say its great either

[upbeat fable]

Bro says Jason's only a noobstomper, but also calls him a top tier

[fluid trail]

opinions shift every 3 hours

[crisp bronze]

i played vs top 1 on jason yesterday tho

if you have good dodges this character is menace

[upbeat fable]

He makes tier lists based on patch notes

[upbeat fable]

Yea no kidding, he's gotten better

[fluid trail]

jason has some absolutely brutal matchups tho

to the point where i just dont wanna play him

[upbeat fable]

But in a tourney

You could play vs a Jason

Lose round 1

Switch to a hard counter and Jason is dead as hell

[fluid trail]

if i play against a marvin while im playing jason i know its over, i just cant win against a marvin as jason

[upbeat fable]

If you know how to play a single Jason hard counter

Then most Jasons are cooked

The better ones are possibly even

[fluid trail]

bro whiffs one move and dodges instantly

actual morty brain rot

you only get that habit if you play morty or a super campy rick

[upbeat fable]

Or panic always

[fluid trail]

he just burns dodge meter for no reason

[upbeat fable]

Yea

And he says he approaches a lot with Morty

[autumn eagle]

Isn’t he a well known camper?

[upbeat fable]

Yes

But he says that him going in with snakeshot dirt up air is not camping

[autumn eagle]

I hate to say I wanted to learn Morty due to verified but pretty much only because of how dirt worked with grenades and the speed of Morty’s attacks

[crisp bronze]

anyway

being offtopic
can you stop being assshole to everyone you dont agree with fel? 😭

[fluid trail]

again, wasnt me that started being rude first

several morty mains in that channel i respect despite disagreeing with them

[crisp bronze]

i know morty mains are the most delulu people next to arya mians
but holy
just don't try to make them angry all the time

[fluid trail]

it was like a select three or four people that i was aiming for

just havin some fun

[signal dirge]

Not only do we accept him. We support his cause relentlessly

[tiny comet]

😭

It is what it is

[drowsy arch]

I absolutely hate tom paddle

[dense pine]

Toxic emote set up hit the default garnet heart but before she hearts then hit cause youre single it by far made so many people quit

[long dagger]

Great you support toxicity

[tiny comet]

[wicked tusk]

just reached master with my ww for the first time
time to switch with Garnet

[tiny comet]

Garnet and wonder woman is easy adjusting playstyles to

I just be forgetting lasso exist

Same with dance

[wicked tusk]

bruh, same
one thing that similar between Garnet and WW is
THEIR PUNCHES

[velvet relic]

do not put this character and lebron in the same tier

this character is way too good

nair only destroys the entire kit of lebron

[signal dirge]

I mean after the update every garnet kinda believes they are atleast low b. Maybe high c if your putting character in f tier

After batman's nerf they feel simular except garnet has worse disadvantage

[crisp bronze]

your lebron is goated mate
and ye
i always put lebron one tier lower

[velvet relic]

i love u

best garnet

mr frosstea

[crisp bronze]

[icy umbra]

Any tips against Arya, morty, and bugs? I still struggle alot against those 3.

[crisp bronze]

well

[crisp bronze]

vs morty best way is to approche from the 45 degree,bcs he cant hit you with snakes and have harder time to hit rock

bugs is character that you need to bait rocket and vault and rabbit hole and then absolutly rush him without giving him time to rest, being aware of that strange spin he does in the air

i can't give you a lot vs arya bcs she is my worst match up with taz

but, using nlight right after sending rocket works a lot of the time, bcs arya mains will mindlessly use roll right into your armored punch

[icy umbra]

Does garnet have a move for bugs' safe? I tried two stack rythm and 2 fast 2 block perk but I couldn't figure out how to one tap it.

Also if it helps, when Arya starts up special-> airwalker-> up special , I've had success with air dodge down when she uses airwalker to dodge the second up special and punish with up air.

[crisp bronze]

Not every arya play airwalker tho

[crisp bronze]

I think we doesnt have this kind of move

Mayby the star dash for some reasons

And jab almost destroying it

[icy umbra]

Star dash breaks safe?

Also, the armor break from 2 rythm stacks. Is it suppose to work against safe but doesn't? are there different types of armor break or something?

[crisp bronze]

safe is heavy projectile
you cant block it or destroy it with other projectiles

its not armored thing

armor is the thing that garnet have on jab 2 side and nlight

[icy umbra]

Got it. Appreciate the advice!

[tiny comet]

Safe doesnt break through armor but rocket does fun fact

All the harleys die to the punch

Sair this

[wicked tusk]

Sairing (sharing) is a beautiful thing

[toxic walrus]

jab 1 destroys the safe in one hit, and if bugs tries to contest you can jab 2 side with the armor to hit him coming in

Also shoutout to @neat igloo, we just ran a ft10, really good matches!

[tiny comet]

I just safe

Or dodge

Or sair them if they spawn it lazily

[exotic hemlock]

wouldn’t mind a garnet prestige skin next season

🤞

[tiny comet]

Same

[sacred shadow]

Just abt to get into the character. Any good tips you can give me? I would like to switch to a character that is good and will not get nerfs any time soon unlike my boi (Gizmo).

[crisp bronze]

i mean
problem with garnet is that you need to play character to bring everything good about this character.

if you want to try i can anwser to anything you want

[sacred shadow]

Any bread and butters? Like what do I do to kill confirm? What should I fish for in neutral?

[crisp bronze]

well
easiest way is probably to show you how im playing
wanna play?

[crisp bronze]

her best kill confirm is jab into up special (cd)

[sacred shadow]

Sure am down

[crisp bronze]

she doesnt have much things to fish to.
nair ) sair) fastfall jab ) up special (cd) is probably her best combo that is always true

[sacred shadow]

IGN: The76Wave

[crisp bronze]

one thing before we play

im playing very specyfic

and a bit diffrent than most garnet players

[sacred shadow]

It's fine if it works it works lol. I just need to soak up a few bread and butters and how to approach neutral

[crisp bronze]

the thing is im completly skipping neutral

invited you

[sacred shadow]

Can you resend?

Woah your garnet is crazy

What I'm noticing is it's best to keep specials on cooldown yeah?

[crisp bronze]

ye

im using them every time i have them off cd

[fluid trail]

use gauntlets as soon as theyre off cooldown, shoulder bash is genuinely a better utility than gauntlets in most matchups

[crisp bronze]

to have clap and shoulder

[sacred shadow]

Hmm makes sense yeah

[fluid trail]

there are exceptions tho, i'd say gauntlets are pretty mandatory in the finn mu

[sacred shadow]

So just throwing out shoulder bash in neutral isn't that bad honestly

[crisp bronze]

kinda

[sacred shadow]

Great hitbox and good mobility

[crisp bronze]

but shoulder is better if you play hyper agro

like me

nair is much better in neutral

[sacred shadow]

Yeah that playstyle suits me as well

[crisp bronze]

holy

close one

[sacred shadow]

Damn that one was closer

[crisp bronze]

i underestimated you

wp

[sacred shadow]

I'm starting to get the hang of this

[crisp bronze]

if you want to play you need to try keep aplying pressure on enamy

[sacred shadow]

I feel like Last Stand is a must have but am poor in perk currency

[crisp bronze]

with elbow, nair, sair ect

[sacred shadow]

Yeah this character is great damn

[crisp bronze]

when you can take control over the match she feel like s tier

[sacred shadow]

Yeah but I can't see how it can be easy to take control over the match against the top tiers lol

Am I doing the sair to shoulder bash wrong?

It's not connecting for some reason

[crisp bronze]

you di in wrong direction

whats why i can combo sair into elbow

near ground

[sacred shadow]

So it is not true?

[crisp bronze]

no
it have very narrow window to dodge in most cases

buteven sithout it

[sacred shadow]

What abt sair to up special?

[crisp bronze]

i will shouw you why she still strong

garnet excels as reading demon

[sacred shadow]

Yeah I can see that

[crisp bronze]

bcs its very easy to read someone with her moves

[sacred shadow]

Her moves can cover a lot of the options at once

[crisp bronze]

nair covers a lot

shoulder too

[sacred shadow]

Is that f tilt to up special to f tilt to up special true?

or am I just bad? lol

Cuz that's a crazy kill confirm if so

[crisp bronze]

i know that f tilt into dash f tilt is true after di read

tfu

up tilt into up tilt

[pearl badger]

@frosty shale ggs

[crisp bronze]

she have a lot of true combos after di reads

if you can read enamy

you can be pre nerf finn

[sacred shadow]

Yeah she's a read heavy character

What's the use of having full stacks in the music?

Btw you don't use down tilt whatsoever

Is it a bad move?

[crisp bronze]

on 1 stack gives you movement speed
like 10-15%

2 stack gives you armor break on every melle move

[sacred shadow]

Damn that's very useful

[crisp bronze]

but its to hard to get and whistand

and its kinda short

[sacred shadow]

yeah it finishes quickly

Well, thanks man I learnt a lot

best of luck

[crisp bronze]

👍

you playing good

really
for someone who barely played her

[sacred shadow]

Thanks the road to master begins

<3

[crisp bronze]

one thing i didnt told you yet

when you playing agro enamy will need to use more meter than you

[sacred shadow]

And against burnout she would be op

damn

[crisp bronze]

and garnet have one of the best burnout abuse in the game

[sacred shadow]

Yeah she can abuse reads. But with burnout you don't even need to read the opponent

[crisp bronze]

yep

she have free combos

that kill from like 30-40

on burnout

[sacred shadow]

Well now I regret not getting her circuit credit skin it was a bargain but I never thought I'd main her :(

[fluid trail]

i will warn you

playing garbet

garnet*

against gizmo

is painful

it will make you see your old character in a new light, gizmo is awful for garnet to deal with

[crisp bronze]

when you playing neutral garnet

if you playing agro he is not unwinable

[fluid trail]

hes annoying either way

[crisp bronze]

not even close to things like tnj

or taz

[fluid trail]

obviously

only character that competes with them is morty

but its painful to die to car out of nowhere

i had gauntlets blow up car on my end one time only for the gizmo to hop into an invisible car and kill me

[crisp bronze]

bro

after nerf morty is not even problem

just spam nair

from 45 degree

and he doesnt know what to do

[fluid trail]

high prio

dirt eats it

snake gun into dirt is the bane of my existence

[crisp bronze]

ye

thats why

45 degree

not forward

[fluid trail]

if he sees u trying to approach he can just sair u

if u always approach from that angle the morty will adapt

its like the one adaptation their pea brains need to win

[crisp bronze]

then play game with him

once he adapt

try to approche forward with gauntlet right before you

so gaunt will tank snake

CAN I GET MORE THAN 5 MMR

FOR GAME

HOLY

[frosty shale]

Were you the Finn?

[pearl badger]

yes

[frosty shale]

You're crazyyy

Ggs

I will not comment on the Black Adam (I hate BA)

[pearl badger]

respect 4 playing garnet

[frosty shale]

Ty

[pearl badger]

Next season praying for nerfs

[frosty shale]

I wanna reach Grand Masters

Fr, the thing is that he's much more annoying in 2s than in ones

[frosty shale]

I'm at 3.3k rp

[crisp bronze]

you same elo as me
did we ever played?

[sacred shadow]

Gizmo is dead. Trust me. Dw abt that character no more

[pearl badger]

u can do it, how much is it for grandmaster in 2s?

[exotic hemlock]

any tips on fighting morty

[sacred shadow]

Start the convo from here

they talked abt fighting morty just now

[crisp bronze]

. ^^^^

[exotic hemlock]

just spam nair?

[crisp bronze]

nair or elbow tilted down

[frosty shale]

4.3k or smth like that I think

[frosty shale]

Maybe Idk

[exotic hemlock]

i feel like i always get told to elbow but when I elbow I also lose because of priority

[crisp bronze]

if you bait out snake you can just dash attack like moron

works like a gold

[exotic hemlock]

like the snake gun?

[tiny comet]

everything

Can never lose with ole reliable

[lapis lynx]

Facts

[exotic hemlock]

idk why i’m so used to punching the ledge, i get punished very bad for it

[tiny comet]

I just stall the staller

[fluid trail]

like charge punch for edgeguard?

what i do is i dont use punch at all for the entire match and randomly whip it out on second or third stock, works like 7/10 times

[tiny comet]

Do jab 1 from a safe distance from uppercut then when 3-6 seconds for ledges

Or rocket fist into neutral punch

They Dodge rocket fist get rewarded by

Insta death

Or rocket fist into dair

Solid edge guard tool when done right

[exotic hemlock]

yeah

[tiny comet]

Nair into dair too

[fluid trail]

while this is a true combo i've found nair into sair1 is more consistent across all percents

i just use sair 1 instead of dair because getting the full combo is more valuable than one extra hit that has a pretty big chance of missing

[exotic hemlock]

nair into side air is the only combo i can land

😭

[fluid trail]

just press down quickly on your stick right as you land the sair 1

then press side again on the other stick right as you hit the ground

i'd make a combo guide but im very lazy

also the training mode sucks

[exotic hemlock]

can you IAD side air?

[fluid trail]

yeah but after her loop removal its not that useful

[signal dirge]

Ones suck so much

I hate this gamemodr

[fluid trail]

game was designed for twos after all

i play ones because i come from smash and tekken, ones are where i shine (even though im painfully mediocre)

[signal dirge]

This game isn't smash tho

Smash is balanced and maintained and has mechanics allowing for it to be get in your opponents head

[fluid trail]

this game is the same

its just the options your opponents have are more limited so its easier to get back to back reads

or alternatively its easier to get read back to back

also smash's disadvantage state is way more brutal than this game

[signal dirge]

I mean yeah but you also have. A sheild and grab

So you can choose to play like a coward and just take a break from advantage to look for space

[fluid trail]

yes thats what i meant by more limited options

[signal dirge]

It's trash here

[fluid trail]

personally i love it

fighting game junk food

[signal dirge]

It's just trash inputs. It's like saying your the best Lego kart player

2s feel like somethin actually happens. There depth

[fluid trail]

ehh

twos is teamplay focused, you play as a team or not at all regardless of individual skill

ones is focused on raw mechanics and mindgames, which this game does have despite its simplified defensive options

SJ in ones is a character entirely made from reading your opponent and catching their dodges, he gets very little outside of reads and conditioning

[signal dirge]

Who is sj

[fluid trail]

samurai jack

[signal dirge]

Ah

[fluid trail]

pre-nerf he was a bit spammer and dumber but its not nearly as bad now

[signal dirge]

Yeah no being able to just follow a preset combo path on your character and fish for your tod isn't a thing to flex. It's like cod quickscoping

Like congrats you learned the preset way to beat everything cool

It's the lamest style of gameplay

What smash has over most is you tend to only get 2-3 hits on most without exetreme setup percombo before it truly puts you pretty much in neutral anywhere above like 20%

Unless you're a top tier

[fluid trail]

characters like garnet require multiple DI reads mid combo to get a 0td, up to 5 but usually 3 or 4

[signal dirge]

In which they forgor that was their design philosophy in vanilla

Garnet is dumb in 1s too

Do you really think fross would be allowed to do what he does uninterrupted in a good game?

They made a great game for 2s with how quickly you can back off and reach crazy heights. Strategy becomes ingrained.

Which is absent in 90% of one's games

[fluid trail]

despite what it seems fross is good, he doesnt just hold in with pure mindless aggression like he says he does, he still plays neutral to some extent, its just that his advantage is insane on a character that already has a really good advantage state

[signal dirge]

I know he's good. He'd top 2s aswell.

But should you be able to do that in the first place

[fluid trail]

garnets thing is good advantage, not every character can do what she does

[signal dirge]

Mvs 1s is explosive to the point where you just don't want to play. If you played overwatch but everyone just had 5 hp. It would suck

And in ones they can't even keep their archetypes right

[fluid trail]

not saying this in any rude way but how many ones did you lose

[signal dirge]

Superman becomes a rush down
Winderwoman a zoner with no cooldown on lasso anymore

I simply don't play them

I could get masters ones but why would I subject myself to it

[fluid trail]

i wouldn't consider superman a rushdown, and lasso isnt nearly good enough to make WW a zoner

LOTS of lag on whiff

easily punishable

[signal dirge]

In terms of ones smash ultimate is just better and even playing this game would be a disgrace

In terms of 2s. This game is better than any smash title

That's the difference in depth

[fluid trail]

that is pure opinion

[signal dirge]

Cry about it

Everything's opinion

[fluid trail]

damn when did you get this mean

[neat igloo]

good matches indeed my off stage game was horrid

[fluid trail]

i thought you were chill

[tiny comet]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxkTnQbhPVTI9WoOcMxPuD7NN-KUeoYdd_?si=TKERO8XoBXXCSQGG

[signal dirge]

Why did you think that. I'm probably the most toxic person here

[fluid trail]

oh damn i didnt even know you could do that LOL

[fluid trail]

shoulda seen what i did in the morty character chat

youre not the most toxic person here btw

[signal dirge]

Trust me. If there was no mods

Let's just say you'd learn what toxic means

[tiny comet]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx72Rb7UMM76h2jgcTTXL08gp-YlHr2nfu?si=H5Jbt6sIlMKuTgUt

I like rocket fist dair vs the wonder woman and harleys of the world

Cause their up special be unchallengeable

Mfs

Garnet chat raids the morty chat

Led by fel

[fluid trail]

im not sure why that shaggy chased you offstage while he was at 130

[tiny comet]

W idea

[signal dirge]

Welp. See you guys in the garnet chat

[tiny comet]

Lmaooo nooo

[signal dirge]

It's done

So long partners

[fluid trail]

would love to see nibi or whatever respond to that

[signal dirge]

In terms of most toxic I'd make Xbox kids shudder

Probably more in line with deep collective ifunny

The game should at the end of the day be fun and you shouldn't ALWAYS feel like if you don't make a move in the next second you lose

There should be true neutrals

Ones there's just varying levels of disadvantage and advantage

In 2s your teamate can start a combo on both players and you can stop react and go position where you need to be. Or even just avoid fights at high percents

[autumn eagle]

Listen mate, speaking for Mortys here (aside from Nibi) have intentionally kept the drama out of Garnet chat, what do you want from us

[icy umbra]

Does MVS have SDi? I know there is normal DI.

[fluid trail]

i dont think so

[tiny comet]

We want you

https://tenor.com/view/we-gif-25381356

[jolly flax]

I Love garnet hit box so much I love how’s it’s the size of Russia and Asia combined

[exotic hemlock]

i feel like garnet is the only character that gets punished for dodging

also my nair just feels weird again

barely hitting anymore

[jolly flax]

Yes same and sometimes nair is so slow for some reason. And don’t get me started with trades. I will always lose a trade bc of garnets half of the world hit box

And if I whiff I’m there for like 20 years waiting to attack again

[drowsy arch]

Anyone else have big issues vs jake?

[tiny comet]

SHE THICC

[tiny comet]

Its rock paper scissors with jake

If you dont know what to do you’ll just get hit, just because you don’t know match up. Jake is a rarity pick

If he whiff sair or nair

If he up special aka whack inflatable arm tube man sair dair nair up air or shoulder bashhis head dont touch his body

Dont fire projectiles at his house boat or whatever down special move he does just neutral punch or armor slam that ish

Down attack works i think if he whiffs while hes on the ground too

Use projectile ball and rocket fist for his horse move and follow up efficiently if horse is on the ground you can down attack it and or neutral punch it as well

If get hit by his first up air attack go di ↖️↗️ to create space to dodge second hit or go ↙️↘️ dodge 2nd hit mini fast fall through jake while pressing up air attack i usually use this as a reverse card

Shoulder tackling away to avoid the hit also works sometimes too

When in doubt

[long dagger]

Wow 😭

[wicked tusk]

Damn, i just beated TnJ with Garnet, this guy salted emote me for no reason, but that win was satisfied
from this match, i learned the important thing that made me beated TnJ
and also, don't underestimate players who can learn the mistake and can improve

[lapis lynx]

Nice!

[wicked tusk]

And now i just beated Finn Diamond 2 (i'm still diamond 5)
this is because i was played safe, kept my distance from finn and always buffed my movement speed, so i can dash attack little bit further and faster

when Finn got bounced by dash attack, that's where you can do the combo (dodge cancel --> jab2 combo)

[icy umbra]

Curious about what the thing you learned about TnJ is, if you don't mind.

Because I beat a few TJ after learning shoulder charge 1 taps Jerry, but now they just keep jerry closer to them and cover jerry with tennis balls and dynamite. So I either have to fully disengage or hope I reach Jerry before trading with his projectiles.

And if don't do either, and try to get to Tom while he is focused his resources on Jerry, BOOM, paddle baby.
😦

Does sing work on the cork Jerry pops out?

[crisp bronze]

I hate tom match up more and more but i learned few things too

After paddle or anything else always dash/jump up
ALWAYS
Even if they read you they cant combo from it.

Shoulder is best tool in this match up, bcs you can randomly kill jerry

[wicked tusk]

No, it doesn't
One thing that i learned in match against TnJ

dodge the jerry and ignore the first tennis balls from Tom
go through them faster before Tom smash the balls back from Jerry

this is because first tennis balls from Tom won't knock you back, so you have to s****acrifice your hp to get tom faster before Tom smash them

glhf @woeful goblet

dam, gg
@woeful goblet

[woeful goblet]

ggs broo

[crisp bronze]

Hmmm
I probably need to use nair more as combo starter
40+ damage combos from it are disgusting

Or 30+ with read potential to do more

[tiny comet]

Maybe

I gotta parry more

[crisp bronze]

Btw
Nair > sair > jab is true into up special vs MOST characters. Bcs you keeping them higher than jab normaly

So you can combo it into another jab for more damage

[tiny comet]

Nair sair sair can force tech roll to a jab on tech roll as a read if they bounce again

[crisp bronze]

Not worth tho

[tiny comet]

It has potential trust 😏

[crisp bronze]

Nair sair jab is much easier to pull off and you have advantage of follow ups from jab

[crisp bronze]

Like
If you follow up with up special jab clap

You deal over 40 damage

[tiny comet]

Idk

If i whiff clap one more time

Ima crash out

[crisp bronze]

Ye
WHY IT SO INCONSISTENT
I LOSE GAME VS CLAODS BCS IT DROPED

LIKE

Aaagahahahahahah

[tiny comet]

I just take my high possibility damage and call it a day in combos

[crisp bronze]

Tbh if enamy is on low % i will follow up other way
Than with clap

Like

Rocket into dash attack is free 20 damage

[tiny comet]

Another thing thats been grinding my gears trading with up attack and someone air move

I have to dodge attack to follow up because my start up is so slow and partial up attack knockback isnt stronger than a harley sair or dair in a trade

[crisp bronze]

You mean to fists from ground or what,

[tiny comet]

Yep

Both tbh but you know

[crisp bronze]

Nah
Up air is goated

[tiny comet]

Like butt slam up air trade

[crisp bronze]

Up light is near useless
But up air is goated

[tiny comet]

Im just using upspecial to bait people now

[crisp bronze]

Hmmm

[tiny comet]

Shoot this ish way up, harley sairs hits 1 2, up special hits jab clap thanks for playing

[crisp bronze]

Xd

[tiny comet]

Same for iron giant

Edge guarding got a lil easier with armor slam but

Im stalling your stall now

[crisp bronze]

I doesnt have any problems with edge guard tho

[tiny comet]

Jab wait jab wait rock fist wait

Just baiting for that 6 seconds

[crisp bronze]

Dair is that wea

[tiny comet]

Truth

But

Drain that meter

😏

[crisp bronze]

Dair

?

[tiny comet]

But are we dairing ww up special tho

[crisp bronze]

Yes
Just hit dair a bit away from ledge
Shockwave still hits

[tiny comet]

True but

Its not *always a guarantee kill

[crisp bronze]

And?

[tiny comet]

Id rather get that meter drain and take momentum away like that instead

Less risk more reward

[crisp bronze]

Well
Jab is still risky due to limited range

Tbh my edgeguard is to spam dair
Or to use full charged nlight into 0 charged one just after

[tiny comet]

Fair fair

But alot of upspecial be having priority

Or well time dodge can cook a whiff dair explosion as well

People catch on eventually

Jab is safe as buffer bait if you do it from a distance off the platform as an edgeguard since you can make em think you can up special ball, rocket fist, neutral punch, or armor slam, or literally do nothing and force a reaction

To not be uppercutted off through the platform like by jason uppercut bugs bat etc etc

The mind games

[crisp bronze]

I wasn't looking there for 5 minutes

Holy yappuchino skittles

[lapis lynx]

🗣️

[tiny comet]

Im just an explainer

😏

Played jb yesterday i got cooked 50/50 ditto matchup gameplay 1-2 was definitely fun

I gotta play hog so he can whoop my ass

Or vice versa

[crisp bronze]

Well
Last time i played with him i think it was 9-4 for me

[tiny comet]

I see

Whats up with ranked right now

Rp cheap as hell

Beat a masters 3 marvin as masters 4 garnet

+10 rp criminal

[icy umbra]

when i was D1, I beat the rank 6 taz to get masters, 3 games and on a win streak. I think I got 12-13 rp.

[toxic walrus]

Anyone trying to run it around 2:00PM EST?

I'm looking at you three @crisp bronze @tiny comet @vast yoke

[crisp bronze]

Well
I can play, but do you think you have any chances bro?

[toxic walrus]

I wouldn't be asking for the smoke if I wasn't confident.

[tiny comet]

I maybe down

I got edf 6 plans later though

😏

I can right now tho

[crisp bronze]

Well
I seen you were grinding a lot tho
I could not imagine playing enough games for 10 mmr to reach 4 k elo 💀

[tiny comet]

I really dont grind

[crisp bronze]

Not you nlight spammer

Hog

[tiny comet]

My b

[crisp bronze]

With 4300 mmr

[tiny comet]

Hog cheatin

He getting jason and iron giants

😂

[toxic walrus]

HEY

I didn't play just any IG.

I played onlinewithbobo

[wicked tusk]

i just beated Rick (dunno this Rick was good or not) with counter Rick's projectiles with Dance
you can also Dance to Rick's Meeseks

[icy umbra]

YOU CAN DANCE ON MEESEKS?

[wicked tusk]

Yes ngl

[crisp bronze]

Yepq

I think you can bubble Smith clone too

But i need to test ir

[wicked tusk]

oh shoot, is Smith's clone gonna grabs his real persona?

[icy umbra]

This chat has made me realized I've been playing MVS on hard mode.

[wicked tusk]

This is why PFG need to improve training mode

[lapis lynx]

Yup

[crisp bronze]

You playing garnet
She is hard mode already if you play without help from others

[icy umbra]

Facts

[tiny comet]

You didnt know this?

I see what fross means

[icy umbra]

No didn't, I play games until I'm frustrated before I seek help. I always assume it's a me problem lol

[toxic walrus]

Fair enough lol.

Same mindset here.

[wicked tusk]

understandable, maining Garnet isn't really easy tbh

[tiny comet]

You cant bubble meeseeks if he portals them in you just a random reminder

Buff dance

[wicked tusk]

We just need to be more patience

[tiny comet]

Nah

More buffs for neutral punch

[wicked tusk]

ah i had that exp before, but i didn't notice it because it happened really fast

[tiny comet]

It happens

[crisp bronze]

I mean that if you Play garnet as any other character. (Spamming jab) She is in the same tier as banana guard.
When you know how to Play her tho, she is A tier

Bcs she have everything that good character need

[tiny comet]

Spam this is the way

[crisp bronze]

Damage - check
Kill confirms - check
Combo routes- check

[tiny comet]

Clap half hits✅

[icy umbra]

People falling out of clap is the most heart breaking thing

[tiny comet]

Had to stop using buddy book garnet skin because visuals dont match the hitbox of air up special

Big ass hat

[crisp bronze]

Indeed
Its a big hat

[tiny comet]

I crumble everytime

Neutral punch never fail me

[wicked tusk]

personally, i'm starting like to the kick, as a starter mostly
punch, clap and marker grab as finishers mostly

[tiny comet]

fair all good moves

But kills harley at 17

😏

[wicked tusk]

with movement speed buff from dance, Garnet's dash attack sometimes can be unpredictable

[tiny comet]

Truth

Unfortunately had to learn that from fross

I gotta stream snipe hog in rank

So i can take his points

[tiny comet]

Fross ducking the fist

[wicked tusk]

i'll get crashed if i MU against @crisp bronze

[tiny comet]

It be like that

Sometimes

In we trust

[crisp bronze]

I just dont enjoy moves covering 10 degree and one meter before me

[tiny comet]

It got nerfed

Its -1 degrees from behind now

😏

You can tell they tried to make bj jab like joker on launch

His jab 2 though has alot of hit stun

Even tho hes pretty mid

[crisp bronze]

His jab and that strange kick in the air are only good moves that he have

[tiny comet]

Ima find out

Coffin blocks projectiles

All projectiles?

[upbeat fable]

Regular sized, not heavy

[tiny comet]

Damn right when i was labbing with beetle juice maintenance

[crisp bronze]

Patch?

[tiny comet]

Not going to stop me from tryin

😏

[crisp bronze]

Give elbow projectile block!

[wicked tusk]

hotfix i guess

[crisp bronze]

Still
Hotfix often goes with small patch

Like arya roll nerf and stripe buff last time

[wicked tusk]

yep, just don't get too hype from small patch

[crisp bronze]

Of course

Mayby they will nerf paddle tho

And nado

[wicked tusk]

only fix marker issue for garnet

[crisp bronze]

Welp
I just seen it

[tiny comet]

Elbow nerfs neutral punch revert buff

😏

[crisp bronze]

Beetle juice buffs tho

[tiny comet]

O.o

Definitely nerfing the stun loop

[crisp bronze]

They didnt change the paddle tho

[tiny comet]

Never had it done to me

But its out there

Paddle = ⬅️↖️⬆️↗️➡️

Bj can iad tho

Got a nice combo idea (not a loop)

[dense nebula]

w garnet cheese nerf

[tiny comet]

😂

Love the garnet v morty banter

[wicked tusk]

@woeful goblet
wanna do ranked 2s with me someday?
since we both have good quality internet connection in 1s

[woeful goblet]

I'm down! Just ping me although I never really play 2s so idk any strategies or synergies lol

[wicked tusk]

what's your main?
in 2s, my mains are ww and garnet
i'll try synergize with yours

[drowsy arch]

WHY IS BJ BEING BUFFED?

IM SO MAD

[woeful goblet]

I only use garnet and harley. I'll prob try garnet in 2s!

[drowsy arch]

BJ got so many effing buffs wtf

[lyric rover]

Cuz he was bad bad

[drowsy arch]

i think he's a bit more complex of a character and ppl need practice with him

he reminds me of arya

[wicked tusk]

ok, then i'll try main ww
i'll call you later

[lyric rover]

Arya was good since the release of beta and release, beetlejuice straight up was at the same level as banana guard

The difference is banana guard actually was good at killing

Even saiki being probably one of the best players said he is pretty bad, he really doesn't shine in anything and almost every character can beat him

[drowsy arch]

his mobility is very scary

I think he's a high damage dealer

he has IAD combos that can do 50

[lyric rover]

He's good at staling in the air with down b and maybe getting a side b but that's all

And also you can DI up and get out of that combos

He can't kill unless he hits you with the scream perk ngl

[exotic hemlock]

he’s pretty underwhelming, only time i got beaten by a bj is when they do cheese stun infinite

did they touch the infinite?

[crisp bronze]

bcs he was literaly banana guard tier?

[crisp bronze]

i think they throwed it to bin

[exotic hemlock]

that perk should’ve only stunned once the face was charged enough

[drowsy arch]

i find BJ similar to marvin

annoying af and a lot of running around

[crisp bronze]

marvin is just bad match up
as always with brawler vs zoner

but you had no excuses losing to pre buff bj

[exotic hemlock]

the way they didn’t even fix the car emote

[tiny comet]

What wrong with car emote?

[exotic hemlock]

if you use it while standing left amethysts is backwards

[drowsy arch]

anyone know what to do vs taz nado?

i find this matchup really rough because taz moves faster.... or he eats my projectiles

[novel copper]

Get him to the ground and down tilt

[tiny comet]

Patch notes where?

[crisp bronze]

@toxic walrus so

wanna plaY?

[drowsy arch]

announcements

[tiny comet]

Whennnnn

Whereeee

[crisp bronze]

typical hog

xd

[tiny comet]

Lmaooo

Truth