#Garnet
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what if the superman isnt stupid and doesnt burn meter unless hes mid combo which you cant di or escape from?
he will
armor uses meter
he dash jumping a lot
Why did I agree to this
no he wont lol
you havent been playing any good superman players if you unironically think that
dodge and armor spammers are easy to beat but players that actually know how to manage meter are impossible
you know g3?
true
Holy
there is no escape from mommy garnet
Which way do I DI
I tried every single DI I’m getting cooked 😭
Are you even able to DI that??
depends what you want to di out of
The side air shoulder ram
its not
Is it like angled?
you have tight window to dodge between that fast fist and elbow
but if i time right elbow into fast fist
its true
Yeah
vs good garnet
nah
I can’t even fight back 😔
Noooo
oof
garnet not dying
Heavyweight power
ye
Rip
shift gear is real
I’m fighting the crimson chin
im just using garnet how she should be used
Bro boutta make me quit the game again
Lol
ggs ^^
😂
Damns
That’s a lie I will
garnet go zooooooooooooooooooooooom
lol
I always get mad and then I’m fine in like 2 minutes
I’m not mad btw
Just very surprised
i cant wait for buffs aiming for the rest of the garnet players
so i will abuse her even more

Good luck with garnet
I’m gonna go back to the horrors of not playing this game
For the rest of the day

Also skittles what is it
thx for game ^^
FrossBullyTea
Np
Why did you even ask me to play 😭
Top 250 Finn for a week doesn’t mean anything
and im tired of rankeds
What is this a Mr.Beast video?
naah
I’m calling you Mr.Fross from now on
@crisp bronze i would love to see a video of you fighting a superman there has to be something im not seeing if you think this is an even matchup
well
if i meet one
Do you use armor killer Fel?
i would really like to see more garnets in 2s leaberboard
im grinding ones to be first garnet in master 1
so mayby later

Im too lazy
Cant trust these randoms
😂
Duh
💀
Old news
ye
but i didnt spot it before
I do that to avoid whiff punish if I dint get hit one and to be grounded to jump into hit 2
idk what it is but im gaining 5 rp from wins and losing 12 from losses anyone else having this problem rn?
im getting way harder matches and getting punished insanely hard for losing
not a fun experience
🐐 good luck
Yeah, garnet can't do anything about camping
A lot of characters can be hard to approach too
The steven matchup is also horrific
Tubby
Steven Sair is better than garnet's entire kit
I can beat steven on any map but i’ll always lose on dexter lab
Clap dont be killing on that map like other maps
gizmo is not beatable if he sits behind popcorn all game
literally nothing garnet can do against that
Yep
Either air up special or neutral attack
Shizz annoying
Gizmo if i get a lead i gotta just not crumble
And avoid up air and umbrella at all times
Ima check something about the popcorn
Also I'm not like up air either
That was a shoulder bash to wall
My garnets just nerfed
I was gonna grind a rank but after that I'm just malding
Ive test things out best answers are neutral punch and down attack.
Shockingly protective momentum does not work vs exploding popcorn which is wild
Nor does protective momentum not work for gizmo down attack which spreads projectile to his front and back says dodged but you still get hit
But works on his neutral special (useless) and neutral attack so long as there’s no popcorn involved
Wild asf info
Jake feels strong now btw
Jack feels strong. But Jake feels strong compared to before season 2
Up special to the up mace feels surprisingly true even tho I think it's di able
I have no opinion on jake
Just velma its a random encounter so it rarely happens
Grinding 2s
Jake does feel strong. I also discovered the legend of the backwards horse Jake. Apparently it's a tech you can do to get the Jake horse to run at you backwards, but no one in the Jake discord knows it. Only some pros do.
No dodge meter so we know it's not a dodge thing
Apparently you just hold triangle
But I can't test thay
I haven't had that
My first (and only) solo 2s game. I had a Rick jump to the top of Dexter's Lab and spam his weak projectile. While I 2v1s a Harley and Jack.
2v1 or 1v2?
2v1. Two fist, one opponent.
Gotcha
I almost got it 3 to 4. You can kill off the side so early on dexter lab, so I went for sair upsepcial and shoulder cheese.
7 desyncs
Ridic
Most on the mojojo map
8 desyncs
And you guessed it
Mojojojo map taking a break f this
Ok
And now im playing only 2s and customs
Does the game actually save your peak rank? Because it says peak, but can flux with derank.
Bro did the season in a weak
Jokes on you
Guy in first place have 6 k points
whats it gonna take to make garnet star a trap that sticks on enemies?
Last game won was vs gizmo
Magnificent
y’all got any tips for ranked garnet
Depends what tips you need
Punch em into the dirt
Fross I may not agree w your balance takes but you're cool fr
Jack needs whiff frames on that thing
Nah just dodge above or below him
I swear they don't even play to hit it anymore. Just do it 7 times infront of you
Then punish
Then he'll fair me from 3 miles
Thanks
I dont agree with your takes too
But i can almost tolerate you ^^
Projectiles stuff side air sp too

💀
He's top 1 garnet. I wonder if there's a bias
what kills on garnet? I know that her up special does but it’s not reliable
Up special
Nlight
Side air 2
Up air
Up air special
Nice!
Up special kills early
Nlight is hard to hit, but can kill at 50 full charged
Rest kills around 100-140 if you are not right next to blast zone
And shoulder bash at like 160

Shielded punch
The punch
ooo okay
Garnet is really simple. You learn alot really quick. Then you learn her approach and disadvantage really slow
i need a garnet streamer
Garnet is the fundies character

Disadvantage is pretty rough for her, she's combo food
I need to use punch more
Paulybear streams. Rank 2 or 3 Garnet now. Plays Garnet and Finn Good personality.
where does he stream?
Twitch
The garnet discord is so good
F
Sorry. One day we'll get them.
Anyone else see the Blue Diamond Ringout in the pass? I'm definitely using that over Obsidian next.
I'm gonna use it with the circuit skin, I think it suits it
either that or Here Comes a Thought
Steven's lion plays the jingle man
The audio is just crisp and satisfying
If they did the same for here comes a thought I'd use that tho
So long as jack isnt moaning in my ears
It's one of those moves no one says is busted but we all know it is
thats how I feel about harley too
Also he can dodge out of anything commital
That's how I feel about tom
He's supposed to be this zoner
But his jab is like 6 hits with hitboxes bigger than finn up tilt
His dair his so far below ledge
And hit racket is a reflector
all his moves are like a better garnet
its so annoying
up special is literally a semi truck
Garnet still feels really good to me it's just everyone else feels cheesy
this
Her punch being so high up suck tho
like batman kinda sucks his hitbox in and lunges
garnet just stand straight and punches and it never lands
This
That and dive kick is crazy intimidating and can be cancelled even without stamina
I got a combo 😏
The combo between the two. Insane punishing hitboxes and exetreme safety let's him be tappy untill it's time to kill at 80
its true
click anything itll combo
I mean consider his batarang just follows him and applies the explosive thing and garnets gotta control the gauntlet for a measly like 9 dmg
theres pretty much nothing more satisfying than killing a taz out of nado with a perfectly spaced sair 2
more satisfying
Heavily Biased
Think i found a frame trap o.o
Damn dive kick is menance to society

Cancel or dont you will die
batman dive kick is almost as bad and brain dead as tax nado
batman mains get away with spamming it basically for free half the time
Top 3
hes def not top 3 because you can camp him (with difficulty albeit) but hes close
maybe top 5
Nah nah
I meant top 3 annoying moves
My bad
Or at least top 10
Arya dodge attack and harley sair attack
Maybe 
who is like top 5 in the game?
Marvin dair and lebron down special on ledges in the top 10 for sure
Garnet, followed by garnet, followed by garnet, followed by garnet, last to no ones surprise garnet

In no order arya t&j batman steven wonder woman
ww can easily take t&j spot
So can a few others
Gap isnt that far for some imo
steven doesnt feel that strong tbh
Like hes got good moves in general
But when i play him
might just be skill issue
He doesnt kill well
his moves are sometimes jank
and he just doesnt really have a specialty
wdym he’s the only character with a shield
and I mean the bubble not the shield shield
where the garnet discord at
Rip
forgot about that tbh
But like even with that it takes long to startup now
yeah the startup is bad but it’s still somewhat usable
Yea but compared to say wonderwoman the shields useless
even his up attacks
they dont feel all that op
Joker who is already strong can kill super fast with his up attacks
balloon kills at like 60
Joker combo can be obnoxious but hes not as strong as he was
Still great tho
Also true
joker true comboed me to death at 20 off of jab because of one di read mid combo
the character is ridiculous
you get hit once in neutral you either take 40+ or just outright die
ive never seen anything like this from a steven
So idk how hes supposed to be top 5
steven is broken for other reasons
hes just good at locking down the stage in neutral
its not hard for him to rack up damage outside of combos because his neutral game is so good
yea but one wrong attack and you get put into a big combo
I mean its completely possible that im just really bad with him
but ive just never seen like what makes him op
At least on the same level as like arya
hate to say it but thats definitely the case in this situation, a good steven will keep stage control all game
Yea so then i just need to see a good steven
Is his stage control like top 5 most broken worthy though?
I feel like its more like
Arya WW Finn T&J and morty
yes it is
yes steven is or my list?
steven is top 5
Steven sair need to be stopped
even that doesnt feel that op tbh
Like its strong but other characters got even better stuff
bugs up air and harleys
Naaaaa
It kills
It reflect projectiles
Might as well be be gizmo umbrella
With no end lag
in no particular order
Iron Giant
Gizmo
Joker
Steven
Arya
actually very agreeable list
Do u play a lot of steven?
i play against lots of stevens
Ig 😒
can we 1v1 so u can see if im just not playing him right?
if not no worries
most of them are just bad players, none of my steven matches are close. I either wipe the floor with them or they wipe the floor with me
not atm its 12:41 my time zone
past midnight
we in the same time zone
ive had mixed bags with them too
I ragdoll that giant man
the explosion makes him so hard to go against
I cant punch them into the dirt because the height difference

in all seriousness tho
Why is garnets jab in air so high up
i mean like approaching them from the side
in air
if theyre barely below
its super awkward
I’ll send you my pov vs giant
sure
Thoughts questions concerns?
the garnet climb is so hard
i keep getting players who are gaming like their next generation depends on their promotion to plat
yeah, 70% of my games are campers
Then play agressive enough to not let them camp
Yeah, it's hard, but practice playing closer to people. Especially the zoners. For emample. If you play close enough to Morty, and he tries to dirt, you can either punish or trade with him.
yeah, i'm actually always playing full aggro, but i think my problem is that i'm not whiff punishing people with the right moves and my spacing is always off when trying to catch them out of a dodge
my shoulder bash always falls short of range by a tiny margin
would be way easier to catch people if dodge ranges were standard across all chars 🤔
Yeah it's pretty inconsistent
60% of mines are like this
yeah, and the higher you go, the more jack side special and taz tornado spammers you get
Man, baiting out Finn's dash attack with projectiles is so satisfying
I think half of them don't know that it isn't armor, just a projectile shield
I will say it again
If you losing to side special spam Jack
Its your fault
You expecting finn players to be inteligent life form?
Bruh
Ye
Taz players are diffrent breed
He doesn't even have bad moves
But tornado ans cloud letting you Play the game without playing the game
it's like the devs don't play their own game 😭
Just fought a pretty smart one, he approached with aerials instead of just spamming ground normals
tbf they were also an Arya player, I've fought them before
Jack eating my fist everytime
I cook finn players
They whiff one airup special on top of the map theyre cooked
Key is to fire a projectile at them into baiting their shield attack
Then you use down attack as a follow up
Works most of the time
They to busy trying to do their bnb they dont adjust
At all
This the taz from the alpha and open beta
I never read last patch notes besides garnets
@novel copper omg no way 😭

Good show 
good game 
Holy crap, I just parried the seven hells out of this Arya
...aaand of course, Medal wasn't recording
smh


harder than youd think, i know youre good at the game but im pretty sure you have yet to fight a gizmo that does nothing but camp behind popcorn and punish neutral b when you try to deal with it all game
you literaly can just dash attack trough it
you can
it will not interupt you
so you will get stacks and some damage
but you will not get interupted
on my game to master 1
i played vs gizmo like this
he could not set up against me
I'm on a mission to help the jakes
I'm gonna try to manually learn the jake tech
Backwards horse
Anyone wanna try w me?
Also i fixed it
It's a 2s list btw

That's top tier

I wanna be one of the "better" garnets
joined the master club
and i stopled playing rankeds
diamond is a grind to get out of
i own elden ring and still have not played it
play it instead of grinding this game
as much rage giving as multiversus
but much more satysfying
Anyone able to test something for me
Well ima still play and see where I land
Rifts >
No
Volleyball golf > 1s and 2s
Double no
No cap 
I learned the backwards horse jake tech
True
my backlog of games is way too long and from what ive seen im too behind on elden ring
seen a clip of 2 people pvp fighting and it was like a dragon ball z episode no thank you
i bet ur a greatsword build
its not like that
at least for 95% of time
nope
it was my first play
i played claws + incantations
dex build?
dex/faith/arcane
Now that all the jacks know that a single jab gives them a string combo against garnet across the stage, and knocks her off, it's just not even fun anymore. Cuz then they just edge guard and you can't do anything
Yeah, they can whiff punish anything with jab
nah
i will still stand with my take
jack vs garnet is even match up
if you aware of side b and kick
this match up is almost free
Being aware of jab is one thing, being able to counter it is another, which doesn't work
i mean
if you half stage from jack
there is like 200% chance he will try to dodge cancel jab
The jacks that are patient and don't just side b are tough to beat
I think he's easy to combo once you get that first hit, you can stream roll them easier than other characters, but he can do the same, and he has better frame data and range with hotboxes by far
he have far worst advantage state
like
when you start running over him
its over
True, his disadvantage is pretty poor
And his advantage state is manageable, he doesn't have that many crazy combos
yep
as is said
he have s+ tier jab
spin is s tier
side b is like a+
Anything else just exist
Much rather fight jacks than arya or finn
arya
yes
finn
finn is not that scary
He is, you can always get comboed and die
And being able to move and threaten with charge attacks is crazy good
you can di or dodge ot of it in like 90% of situations
- he doesnt deal much damage
he is strong
but for me he is just like jack
2 aburd moves
rest is allright
His entire kit is pretty solid
its solid A tier
but he is not arya/morty
yep
jab is annoying af
but still
my tier list in order looks something like this
arya
morty
joker
gizmo/finn/ig
I am when I get ladder combo’d to death every stock
It's ok, she's very uncommon
“It’s ok, #1 Garnet main can’t hurt you”
“Dw I’m not even that good”
“Plus you’re using Finn”
I feel gaslighted 😔
steven is such an unfair matchup man idk what im supposed to do
jab 2 up
is best counter
to him
he need to release shield
to deal damage
its not moving hit frame
if you knock him back before he release it
you will not get damage
its annoying match up tho
I give you that
you need to be keep aware of projectile reflect
of the bubble hitbox
of the melon steven
and these creatures are evolving
and started using that strange scateboard shield
I swear this always has priority somehow
Exactly
and gave it to steven
I find it stupid
Jake skateboard literally never hits now
But Steven gets like looney tunes priority now
Bro did not need it
i just had the most insane ball snipe into kill of my entire life holy
i didnt clip it because of a bug with obs but i sniped an offstage finn from the opposite side of the stage with fully charged ball, ran up and went deep for the sair kill
always nice thing
still
my favorite trick shot with it is the time freeze tech
when you send it
dash attack and ball interupt the dash attack
enamy get stuned for like 2 seconds
So I'm noticing you can do a tech similar to b reversals in smash ult
I've done it by accident a few times with grounded punches and her jab
😎
You should use this tech skittles
Stun time scales with w
Damage %
Bcs the stun time is what normaly you would fly
On 60+ im almost sure you can cast entire PUNCH on this stun time
Can you explain for fellow non smash player
In smash ult you can change direction in the air without expending a resource like a jump, or an air dodge by doing a very precise input that turns you around as you're doing the attack
In this game I've noticed if I land and input an attack in the opposite direction my momentum is going, I move a short distance in that opposite direction while attacking
Haven't labbed it, just noticed it happen a few times
Like, i move in the opposite direction with the same level of momentum it as I was going originally
I'm trying to replicate it in the lab but I cannot
What tech
I already have 60-70 damage combo
What are these techs
😂
this has to be bait
I love how the IG AI just breaks in that mode.
i hate it when i get a roll read and its just slightly too early
lost me a bo3 garnet ditto in pubs just now :(
Every jack I fight knows that. Been trying to figure out counter play. Stage height gauntlets aren't bad.
Decent jacks just dodge the gauntlet and sit just a little behind ledge so they can trap you as you land
Definitely got a handle on the average Finn matchup now
Top 5 for me but they could be Top 8 and I wouldn't say no
Also finn will probably be nerfed despite not being super duper strong
no hes strong, just not to garnet
no hes def like op
superman matchup is so bad holy
i struggle with superman
basically struggle against everyone
what do u guys do against jack?
his jab range is what kills me... if the jack doesn't whiff side special i'm so screwed it feels
do any garnets stream?
I don’t understand why PFG hates garnet
Like bruh why is she SO SLOWWWW
I CANT KEEP UP WITH A GOOD JACK
Sighs
i keep going against black adams im depressed too
Same
I’m silver 2 rn
And the grind is real
Lost to all my Steven matches by a hair
due to him BEING FASTER THAN ME
losing all my steven matches to them being cheesier than me

why am i gaining less than 10 and losing mroe than 10
they r the same rank as me
i really hate dexter's lab
Understandable
I've got Superman figured out, I just stick to aerials
as long as I don't get caught in the ground loop I'm good
they like to set up with heat vision but I just tackle them out of it
gauntlets also work
You should try doing rhythm to boost your speed
unless you're talking about moves coming out faster, in which case, yeah, not much to be done about that
just gotta read and pray
😐
🙄
I do
Whenever I get the chance
What do you mean by slower?
Slower attacks
Slower movement
These are completly diffrent things
Bcs yes
Outside sair 1 you doesnt have very fast moves
But at the same time she is one of the more mobile characters in terms of pure movement tools
She is?
Elbow and dash attack giving you absurd amount of momentum
If you on song buff you can chase any character in the game
Like
It may by that im just good at the game
But cmon guys
She is not THAT terrible
I mean to be fair you are on a different level with her
But being more casual when I play shes pretty bad
A common occurence if you are not fross
See if he will 1v1 with u tho
I learned a lot from him
these twitch streamers made me think i could do it
but this rank grindr has me thinking any matchup is not a good matchup
In few hours i can
Honestly most characters got enough cheese to cover for their lack of skill
Like batman is a superior version of garnet
Im literaly dont
I learned 2 combos
And how to use momentum
I literaly skipped 50% things this game need you to learn before you good
drop the clips of the combos
I think that means u didnt skip 50% of the things u just got them all down fast
and then learned momentum well
I have miserable neutral
Im terrible on ground
that’s so real
I dont record sadly
Well...actualy it was an habit bcs i had 8 ram and my pc was burning from obs/medal
But i upgraded lately...
Well
Mayby i should start
I can give you one tip how to be a better garnet
Try to fight in the sky as often as possible
You are D tier character on ground
okay
In the air you are A+ tier
You mean star
Or that move where she use all her limbs?
Its allright move
Its very good defensive move
I see a lot of people use it for recovery if they go off stage
honestly i wish some other character got like garnets gauntlet
Its my favorite move in the whole game
Its allright i guess
And preaty fun to use
idc if its weak I just love it
Ok i still dont understand how steven is supposed to be S tier
do y’all use marker?
I see most garnets using 5% boost
For 2s mode, yes
Yea most people like having the extra speed for combos
Wanna do 1v1 we can practice?
cant not at home with playstation
ah ok
do y’all know what DI stands for
oh okay
that’s the video
not my clip
i was wondering if that’s possible or is it hard ingame
literally never seen anything ever like that
it always gets stuck or throws them in an inconvenient spot
I thing that clip is old
Bcs this first part got removed, bcs it was 80 damage combo starter
But i think grab into dash cancel sair is possible
was that an Air instant dash?
After you throw enamy in that wall you insta dashing and pressing sair
Its should not be hard to do it
Yeah we can't do IAD sairs anymore, sadly.
That wall throw into sair looks tasty though, I'll have to try it.
Rankeds are all about grind
If you grind enough you will reach it, but you need A LOT time to play
Im in 120 rn i think
Still find it strange someone was able to get enough wins consistently with velma
They gotta be insane with her
I mean, she does have a van.
Or he just grinded 1000 matches with good mmr
nvm shes no longer in top 100
That's a solid win confirm if I've ever seen it
Though the Velma that beat my ass the other day didn't even NEED the van, so there's that...
Is her van really that strong??
Just dodge it
After you do you cant be catched in it
Bcs it counts as projectile
I find it just jumps off the map
XD
literally if i used it 100 games
Wait, really? Crumbs, I didn't know. That could have spared me this embarrassing clip: #clips message
99 would be it jumping off map in 2 seconds
😭
Still
If you have time and some skill you will get into top 100 with pure amount of games
Panicked and sold 😭
I would say dodge down sideways but i cant even do that
its so hard on keyboard idk why
I wasted my dodges and specials, I was helpless after that
I feel like thats more of a garnet hitbox issue and not that velma is a solid character thing tho
Btw
I discovered that i need to learn to parry in this game
You can full charge the punch on parry time
Maybe... maybe. 😔
💀💀
Yeah, I do that sometimes, but not often enough.
nothing in velmas kit combos at all
I need to start punishing Jacks and Aryas with that.
Almost every Jack and every Arya starts with a roll
Idk if my reflex is slow or what
But im unable to parry her roll in almost every situation
I've got it down to parrying 75% of the time
Bruh
How do u guys even parry I find that everyime I go for it their attack goes either fast than usual or its delayed
Is it the exact second or do u have a few frames
There's a delay after the roll
Don't react to the roll, react to the instant you see her sword come up
Takes practice, but you'll learn to see it
Idk
Im barely parring in this game
The delay of this game is strange and i cant do it properly
In brawlhalla i could dodge 1 frame combos or turbo fast start ups
Here im getting hit by fcking Jack neutral
With Jack it's a little trickier since he can hold the side special, I think
and speaking of Jack
I wish steven still had the easy parry ngl
HIS HURTBOX MAKES NO SENSE
Btw
Elbow is one of the hardest move to parry in the game
and his DODGE window is too long
Bcs depending how you tilt it
You will get to enamy in diffrent time
Yeah, if you angle it the hitbox lasts longer
So you need to react to elbow
You cant just learn the timing
often catches people who think they're safe
I always end up stopping that move like 1 inch too early and end up getting comboed how do u stop that
For me this kind of attack is dash attack
Just go all in, commit to the tackle
I swear
It have half of garnet leg longer hitbox than it is in reality
i had an aneurysm reading this
do u mean like her leg hitbox is longer than it appears?
English is not my main language
Sorry not sorry i'm making mistakes sometimes
A lot
No worries
What is your first language?
Polish
Really? thats actually really cool
Useless ahh language outside my country xD
But its preaty fun
I mean its a whole seperate culture and something to be proud of
Of course i am
Do u have any polish dishes that you really like?
Ye
Pierogi are goated
Best kind of dumplings in the world
I was just gonna ask about those
Wait I gotta take this question to dms so i dont get in trouble from mods
im gonna go insane, these reindog players dont even play reindog 😭
they use it as if they're morty
on another note, how do you guys approach the superman matchup? he seems to beat out most of my reactions with his jab
I give up
Vs superman try to approche with elbow and bait his dodge meter
He burning it like there is no tommorow
If you do try to hit him with anything before it recover and try to ladder combo him
tyty
Fross who are ur top 3 most hated characters to go against
Not like the op ones like arya tho
Arya
Steven
Harley
And Marvin honorable in this list
Bcs he is easy to beat
But he just throwing random shitt and i cant approche
Is steven really that annoying?
I struggle to win as him
Mayby its just vs me
Steven is best tempo controler in the entire game
You should play carefull vs steven and just wait as he throw shield CD, melon Steven ect, ect and punish him for being hamster entire game
But im not that good in this kind of game
I play as him
Not often but when im sick of garnet
Steven is just very good against aggression
Bcs he have best disengage and control tools in the game
Is that strong enough to make him S tier though?
I mean he feel decent but not like insane insane
His up attacks are good
but like batman can autolock onto you and instant punch for a ringout
bugs bat
He is a tier
I didnt said he is s tier
Same for Harley
She is in tier with garnet probably, but she is harsh match up for garnet
I know most ppl have said hes S tho
I cant lie shes stronger than garnet
by at least a tier
How so?
She is one demencional
She have one thing that she will do over and over and nothing else
Bcs she doesnt have good tools
She is one of the lightest characters in the game so she dying to 2 touches of any character
Outside of box glove and tripple kick she doesnt have good moves
Mayby up ai
R
But its not even on par with Bugs, Steven or joker
Joker have large attack
Steven have large attacks
She doesnt
Add that she is turbo countered by any shield
Ye
And it have long start up
And before she charge it you can dodge out of it 10 times
And for how long she charge it it doesnt have that much killing power
its hard to dodge because she spins
And charging it up benefits her because she can move in air with it
Dodge out then
Or above
usually its used when you are recovering from off map
otherwise she uses the spinning multi kick downwards
Still
Its marked
Any move that is marked can't be broken
Bcs you have time to think what to do
As i said
She is annoying
And have few thing going on for her
But she is nowhere near things like batman
Finn
Jack
We may not agree but I just think that shes a tier better than garnet a tier below finn
Well
If you think so
I think she is in the same tier as garnet
But a bit higher in it
Shes just got more going for her than garnet
She is not
especially since if you can get them somewhat high in the air its a ringout
Not like garnet cant magicly kill you at 50 near the roof
Tbh
I think garnets up air is better than Harley up air
Bcs its as fast as her
And its 2 part
harder to get them up at the roof
And 2 part air moves are much better
You can literaly send enamy in the air with any move you hit
From jab - jab 2 up or clap
From sair - up air
Elbow sending them in the air too
I still find that harley has an easier job sending you into the air
and her bat attack is massive very fast and has a slight delay which makes it really difficult to dodge
Go to lab
And test both moves
Garnet up air and especialy up light are turbo fast
And both reach higher
Idk
Tested it to after i lose to one Harley not long ago
And i feel like they are similar
And i dodge every harley up air that is not a combo
With garnet its not that easy, bcs its 2 part
its like so fast and large hitbox
As i said
Its strong move
But i prefer to have 2 part over being 3 frames faster
I prefer 2 parts too but Im just saying strengthwise